Hey Phil, 2 things I wanted to address were If Sheila developed all that land herself would it make sense for her to name certain areas after herself 50:57 : just saying that small grey area on the far left would be perfect for a lighthouse in the future
34:46 that's a turn even minecarts have a hard time with. I would just remove it and make trains reverse, they can do that and it look way more realistic
1. I'm happy to see that the rail bridge was removed from the little lake. 2. As much as I prefer Emily (and am glad she won), Chuckles isn't wrong about a lack of dedicated conservation areas/efforts.
@@4zael_ The Neighbors local group in MC has been very loud in advocating conservation efforts. Though that conversation has been limited the planning committee on discord.
It's sad how you'd never see a statement like this in real politics. There's no nuance anymore. When's the last time you've seen someone say, "I like X politician, but politician Y isn't wrong about problem Z," We need stuff like this IRL.
The fact that I replayed the video to just watch the news scrolling at the bottom during the governor debate show how invested I (and probably others) are.
About the rail: massively agree with the changes made. However, that curve is too tight (you don’t want a train to have to slow down that much in the middle of a journey). The rail company is more likely to pay for the bridge to be extended (or the bank raised to allow the track to pass under it) than to accept a bend that tight and slow. As for raised track, it’s very common in English rail construction (although I don’t know as much for the US). It allows the trains to maintain a greater speed, since most of the surrounding area is low, rolling hills, much like coastal Magnolia. It also helps to prevent flooding.
It would't be that unreasonable in older, underused sections or close to depots or stations, but in this case, more or less in the middle of the main corridor, it is a bottleneck for the whole network. Any train taking the turn will have to slow down so much that it risks delaying all those coming behind.
Well since we're probably revisiting it next time I'd suggest a much gentler wye configuration. Back it out further and maybe have it cross the road to make the connection. With an eye to the future for grade separation to be done. Only other solution in its current position to have a flyover but I dont know how keen Jamila would be on that idea or how it'd play with the road network. As someone who works in rail (the signalling side, not the actual track construction) that curve just gives me headway nightmares
to be honest, here in the US it'll be the complete opposite. raised track would be a non-starter by CSX, Union Pacific, NS, and BNSF, which are the 4 major rail companies in the US for any area. it would be considered cheaper to dig straight through rolling hills. then again, rail construction is a rare sight to see here in the US, and aside from laying down new track every 10 years, and brightline becoming a private version of amtrak, it stands to reason that you're not gonna have much go through any town. it is more likely you will find more road construction than rail.
This is my favorite channel on UA-cam at the moment, and has been for a while now. It’s funny because I’ve never even played the game. I just find the depth of the story compelling, and the meticulous and logical planning to be very relaxing to me. I can’t explain it but your work is therapeutic to me Phil. You rule! Thanks for all your hard work!!!
Same here! I look forward to these episodes the same way I looked forward to my favorite television shows as a child. The end of each episode always leaves me with the desire for more!
@@vineousvondrake2456 Most nights I struggle to fall asleep, literally tossing and turning for more than an hour sometimes, then I start playing one of his videos and I'm gone within a few minutes. It sucks that I've watched all his videos because now I have to wait for his next video to be uploaded. His videos are the only thing that helps me to fall asleep faster
Often imitated, never replicated. Your storytelling is top tier. And with these voiceovers, I could watch stories of your cities like soap operas. I love it.
I want to challenge you on couplets being safer for pedestrians! 🙂 If your streets are flat, straight, and have priority timed traffic lights, then there's nothing to slow down vehicles-leading cars to treat the road like a highway. My community is actually converting our couplet into two two-ways due to the impact speeding vehicles have had on noise, air quality, walkability, pedestrian safety, and ultimately commercial activity. If you want to keep the couplet but make it safer, perhaps consider adding curb extensions? Or narrow the lanes with parking/widened sidewalks/trees? 🤷♂
I work for the German Rail and one of my stations is right there where two lines meet and it has such a slingshot curve. It was build in war times and can handle even the heaviest trains (guess why...) but only at 40km/h. However, it is regularly used but only few times the day. One generally avoids sudden bents, always curve in and out smoothly (the entrance of the station). 1.25% is considered the maximum slope for main tracks (due to heavy cargo trains - they can barely make it. My other station has 1.2% and if they must stop, they might break down and need an assistant engine. We in Germany usually have only one engine per train but our trains are not as long and not as heavy as in the states).
That curve at the junction looked far too small to me, so I quickly found a minimum curve speed calculator for trains online to use as a guideline. The equation it gave is r = v^2/[g*tan(theta)], r being the radius of the curve, v being the maximum velocity of the train, g being gravity, and theta being the bank angle of the track. I believe the same calculation is used for highway curves, but trains can only handle far shallower bank angles. For the calculation, I used the 115m shown when making the curve as the radius (which is actually higher than the radius so this is an over estimation of velocity), and bank angles of 1 degree and 10 degrees on such a 115m radius curve, a 1 degree bank gives a max velocity of 4.4 km/h (2.7 mph), and a ten degree bank gives 14 km/h (8.7 mph). That is far, far too small a curve, as trains get most of their efficiency by staying at speed and not spending energy on braking and accelerating unless absolutely necessary
Sounds about right. You could get away with a tight turn like that close to a station where the train is already going slowly, but it'd be very unwelcome for a train that's up to speed...
Adding a community fishing pier or even a small marina would be an awesome addition to a beach town like this! Maybe in that small natural cove in the bottom right of the town :)
I think adding some homes on the other side of the road closest to the beach might be a cool addition, I don't know what its like on the Great Lakes but at least along the West coast you see lots of homes' back yards facing the ocean, with entrances to the beach being where roads go perpendicular to the ocean between homes. Considering Sheila's willingness to develop all the inland forested, I don't see why she would be unwilling to encroach onto the beach a bit more for the sake of making more money from that beachfront real estate, unless she has a real affinity for preserving specifically beaches LOL. The build looks great regardless!
Maybe the trailer park style assets would fit considering their small size and how often it was seeing small camper style homes or shacks even on beachfronts
1. Part of me wants you to revisit every town with that zoning tool, to make everything look better (lots of work, I know) 2. Green Street should be Johnson Street
You make the best city builder videos because it's not just about maxing out the population, or reaching some milestone as fast as possible. Every episode has a clear goal and it feels realistic to the size of the community. Just like with Verde Beach, I really enjoy the local stories that are going on.
You should have a large roundabout where umber and pine (couplet) meets the highways because a lot of the traffic is going to enter the community through there
26:35 i *am* prematurely commenting this because I've not finished the video yet, but 2 tracks for the station and 2 tracks for passing trains, so 4 tracks, are more than enough for a station this size I feel. 8 tracks isn't something you'd see in a million population city, who is going to use those last 2 tracks. passing trains already have what they need
The news ticker at the bottom if the debate was gold. This must have been so much work, but it came out amazing! Thanks for the great video. I still look forward to these even though I can't get myself to play CS2 anymore
Hey Phil, a little work around i've found until we get legacy flavor back is when you open a build menu such as transportation and manually close the info panel in the top left it will get rid of the white overlay while you place buildings, hope this helps🙂
a cool thing to add (not sure if theres a mod out for this or not) would be to have a race track somewhere in MC. "Magnolia County Speedway" or "Magnolia County Circuit"
@CityPlannerPlays: When you drew that switchback for the rail Y, I inhaled like someone had punched me in the gut. They'd put a level crossing through a highway in before accepting that tight a curve. Or a bridge over both the rail and the highway to join up from the far side, *something*.
Phil, to answer your question I think the junction at 32:25 is way too tight with far too much slowdown. You could make a much wider bend before the bridge and its associated bank to allow high speed to be maintained. It would result in another grade crossing but to be fair it's impossible to avoid *all* grade crossings at *all* times without unreasonably high cost. As pointed out elsewhere the rail company could pay for a longer bridge or extended road bank above the tracks if the need for it justifies the expense.
Hey, i think that sharing high school between several communities is reasonable if they are well connected with public transport and it's not the case with Paradise bay. Probably establishing a bus route to Chairity island is necessary
32:27 that curve is probably way too tight, it might not be a problem depending on if the cargo is not time-sensitive (because the trains would need to take this at a very low speed to not derail) also the elevated sections of track aren't all that bad, viaducts like that are all over the place, tho they're certainly more expensive than level railway; where you're more likely to see viaducts tens of kilometers long is in rapid transit
Hey Phil, 2 things I wanted to address were If Sheila developed all that land herself would it make sense for her to name certain areas after herself 50:57 : just saying that small grey area on the far left would be perfect for a lighthouse in the future
Changing the rail line to cross that neighbourhood at grade is very good imo. With the hard turn, its definitely something you could see, but it would lower the track speed for that corner by quite a lot so they'd probably just extend the bridge if they had money for it. I wouldn't say that if you leave it as is it would be wrong, because theres definitely some spots where youll see turns that tight on parts of the east coast where space is at a premium, but if you change it that would also be good and probably a bit more realistic for an area like MC. Love the series!
Sorry Phil, I'm afraid to say that the new slingshot railway connection is way too tight, it would be very unlikely to see a train do a curve that tight irl.
You are the best at balancing the emergent lore with respecting your established lore. That crazy slingshot rail connection could exist IRL.... but yeah that's a 5mph corner 🤣🤣🤣
Holy moly, I miss a few episodes and when I come back, I'm in the middle of a whole TV show! This is absolutely fantastic Phil, LOVE it!! Edit: The way you wove the sponsor shout-out into the narrative is just brilliant! 😄😄
the most satisfying episodes imo are when you add or overhaul major roads and rail to make them so much more reasonably connected! 👏🏻 I even enjoy the mulligans along the way and learn so much from your process.
Hey Phil, I hope you'll see this comment because I have a reccomendation for your waterfront builds. If you look at some interesting places with beachfront property (Virginia beach VA, Crescent Beach FL, etc) there is usually never a road between the primary beachfront property and the actual beach. The roads are offset from the coastline to allow properties built towards the beach, but retain the actual beachfront. In the cresent beach example its actually super interesting because there is a really large protected dune ecosystem between the buildings and the beach and you'll see all the condo complexes build a long boardwalk type path over and across this zone to link their property to the beach. Might be interesting to look at :) Thanks!
The story & lore keep getting better and better! Something about the rows of similar houses on matching rectangular lots gave me flashbacks to when I was drafting (plot plans specifically) for a Major Production Homebuilder like 20 years ago. I got out of the industry when I realized I was not OK with being an Agent of Sprawl and turning perfectly good countryside into subdivisions.
Thank you for keeping going with CS2. It’s a joy to see the game progress and grow towards something I want to play. It’s still a way off being good enough yet but once custom assets are added I can see myself playing again.
To put some numbers on the severity of that one particular rail curve, the freight locomotive in C:S2 is based on the General Electric/Wabtec 'Evolution Series' locomotive. The manufacturer advises the minimum curve radius for locomotives of this type is 273 ft (or 21 degrees of curvature). In reality, curvature would be limited even further by long train cars not present in C:S2, like auto carriers which need a curve of 350 feet radius or bigger! The construction UI says the diameter of that curve was around 120 meters. So, radius of 60 meters, or about 200 feet. So, while my eyes say that's too tight, the math agrees-make that curve bigger!
I work on the railway in Australia, and the “triangle” you made with the tight curve isn’t technically that crazy, but it would definitely be super super slow, it might even have a slip-lane type extra bit of rail on the entry and exit sides of the triangle so that the curve isn’t killer haha
I was thinking about what you said wanting the new community to have a history and I thought of an opportunity to do some of your story telling that's been so great lately. When the city starts growing and you decide to increase density in certain areas, or change roads, that could be a squabble between new locals arguing the merits of growth vs irreparably changing the character of the community. Anyway, just thought you might like the idea. Love your videos!
Hey CPP! I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you sticking with CS2 even when it's not been well received, over all. It's a very imperfect game that should get better as time goes on with more and more mod support, as you're demonstrating here. I really want to see this series, and future series too, so I hope you're getting enough views and enough engagement to make it worth it, even with the state of the game more broadly being what it is.
You could imagine that the 3 gas stations are actually just one big entity. The two yellow painted are for fuel and the green is a charging station for electric vehicles.
33:25 : Is the rail line reasonable... For 1840, yes For 1940, probably, but only on a slow branch line For 2040, not a chance, esp. for high speed rail...
41:03 If you ever want to place a radio mast or telecom tower in the middle of a city, you could put it right next to a police station. Idk about how it's done in the US but here in France police stations (and gendarmeries) usually have a gigantic radio mast for whatever reason (to communicate with units on the field or other emergency services, I guess), so it probably would not look too much out of place.
Just wanted to mention that the train station in the base game already comes with a passing track, making the one you added redundant. Also, that curve is far to tight. Thats an inevitable collision or derailment.
Im immensely upset that Chuckles lost, yet another election. However I will say he was too hard on the preservation of the forest to really stand a chance.
I really really hope Chuckle's campaign still inspires continued activism to save the beautiful nature of Superior. Even though he lost the election let's hope we wins his battle
You could add a Mausoleum to the cemetery. As Sheila Johnson started the community and as former governour of Superior she built one for her and her family in her honor
you have a knack for creating some truly nightmare intersections i would hate to drive through, especially as part of a daily commute. like that intersection group near the post office. that reminds me of a bundle of intersections on my commute where it opens up into a main road which has far greater priority over the collector, so the light is way longer for it, but there's a close intersection in front of the collector which extremely frequently traps cars within the intersection that are expecting to be able to clear it, which is double hard to tell because there's a crest just after the intersection so you can't see if you'll get trapped in the intersection until you're basically on top of it. basically. intersections that are too close together, have a crest right after them, or have extremely sharp angles to navigate around or which make a long sweeping curve through the middle due to a curved connection vastly extending the intersection zone, are all nightmares and extremely dangerous for cars and peds. simplifying an intersection as much as possible for maximum safety is a top priority to me. unless it's some super special kind like times square where looks are more important and all types of traffic take a backseat with reduced speeds, flow chance, and such. pretty much i'd mostly avoid what i call "fancy grids" where they connect at weird angles in order to prevent what i'd also like to call "times square spam" which you seem to specialize in quite heavily :p. it's also partially from my experience as a hobbyist street scrapper who goes out on trash nights and picks up metal junk people put by the road to turn in to a scrap yard the next day for some quick cash. navigating fancy grids in as clean a route as possible with minimal backtracking is basically impossible here. it's mostly curvy roads with dead ends and only very loosely a disconnected grid through the center. i have to backtrack for daysssss to check every street for scrap. makes me wanna tail a garbage truck one day to see how well they've optimized the route so i can just copy that. i feel it also greatly interferes with safety in terms of emergency service response cuz they have to navigate all these weird twisty turny spaghetti ass roads to get anywhere in the neighborhood. clean grids just make everything easier for everyone tbh. boring yes. but oh so lovely. can easily see all the way down each street both ways for quick scrapping. quick response times. visiting friends and family not getting lost. etc. ahhhh. the dream. anyways. love your builds. so pretty uwu.
@@IISSAACC that's a bit harsh, all you need is a small bus terminal next to the station and it'll be accessible to everyone. You dont *need* to place it in the middle of the town, this happens all the time
Think it will be in the heart of the community; he clearly defined a town center around the station and other city services. And also, at least to me, it’s pretty clear that town is going to be expanded so once that happens there will be no doubt that the station is in the center of the community. Just wait, it’ll grow organically.
That's a really tight curve for a passenger train. I would have sennt the track across the road before the bridge, not under the bridge. The rest of the track layout is great. Another thing, Your texture pack plays really well into keeping cliff faces in the cuts that are being made for the tracks, so I would have kept those in, or at least some. Think of it as a cost reduction measure. Don't blast more rock than you need to and so forth.
The reclaimed island feels like a place like Park Point in Duluth, MN. Lots of controversy out there right now about land ownership and her ultimate intent.
Trains! Phil I have thoughts on trains for you. - The radius of curvature of track depends on the tracks purpose, similar to roads. Mainline track should be fast and gentle curves. Yards are the equivalent of parking lots and need slow track and can be tightly curved. The tight turn that you made is likely not fit for it's purpose. It would cause delays on a busy network because it the trains have to slow down and slowing down / accelerating takes a long time. - Trains have a minimum turn radius. Longer cars require larger turns. - Trains can derail if there is too much tension in the train on a large (angle between entrance and exit) curve. The cars can get pulled off the track to the center of the curve. And one final thing (that you probably already know because you did this professionally). It looks like you could be planning for transit too late in your process. The area around your transit (and cargo) stations is some of the most valuable real estate in your city. Or depending on the story for your city, the city could be built around the old railroad/harbor.
If the new development is going to share a school district with Chairity Island, it might be a good idea to add a more direct and faster road connection between the two communities.
Three ideas: suggest flipping the post office around so it is on the back half of the block. It's mostly a logistics centre anyway. It can be just behind main street (on the same block) which will provide more valuable real estate for commercial frontage interests. Also BTW, the new development is a long way away from Chuckle's shuttle. With the election loss perhaps its time to focus on his core strengths and grow the brand and the business. Maybe he needs a new branch in the new community! Perhaps some small lane in the back of the community was named King Lane (King LAME) as a small dig. Oh look, there already is one near the beach front! He wears that insult as a badge of pride, and most vehicle depots hide behind the community in laneways anyway. Third idea: There is already a natural spit of land right at the edge of the peninsula. This could very easily be extended into a Groyne (beach preserving structure to prevent sand from eroding along the beach) which will help protect these large but exposed beach fronts.
These stories are so top tier. Like you really make this so much more than a city builder game. I will never not love your playthroughs. Your Amazing Phil!
Hello I really like your build. Regarding your rail I'm from Germany so I cant really say how it is in the US but to me the curve into the mainline seems way to tight. Any train going trough there would have to do so at walking pace costing valuble minutes that the mainline is blocked. Also generally atleast here in Germany on new build lines the train company tries to have the least amount of at grade crossing possible to avoid any potential accidants with cars. So from my understanding it would totally make sense to keep the elevated section inside the city where the parks was and then drop down to ground level. This would potentially also get more goodwill form the residents towards the mining company. For newly build lines these days speed is also more heavily weighted against just cost reductions from stictly following the landscape, so if it would reduce the amount of slopes or reduce their grade its not uncommon to see more and longer bridges/tunnels. And an general tip 2% grade is usally the maximum you should go for. At 2% most freight allready would need addational hauling power just for that segment. And anything over 2.5% is bassicly unfeasible for freight running, from an economic standpoint at least. Tho that might be diffrent in the US.
I absolutely love this channel. There aren't any other channels that have its viewer engaged like this channel. Just one suggestion. Rename Main St to Priority Ave/Blvd/Rd. Main St has been used several times throughout all builds. This build is special because the developer had recently lost her position in office😅...let spice it up a little. Plus "Main St." will eventually connect to the main Highway coming into the new city. Just saying 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would love to see some trams go into the new development. It would the new area a St. Kilda vibe, maybe with an iconic theme park right on the shore.
With new neighborhoods/streets, can we get some more street naming? It would mean the world to me to have a street named after my cat "Arnold." He recently crossed the rainbow bridge after battling multiple illnesses. He loved to come and hangout with me in the morning when I would have the opportunity to relax and watch your latest episode.
As someone who has done a lot of train spotting and been around rails quite a bit I would say the turn at 32:40 is fairly harsh, but not completely terrible, someone with more knowledge on rail design might be more insightful on this topic, but in my opinion, I would push it back a good bit
Just discovered while working on my city, if you click on the information panel icon on the top left, it does the same thing as pressing “I” does and takes away the map visuals. I hope this helps. Been a long time viewer. Appreciate all you do!
Great work on another episode. Thank you for all the great videos you make. One thing I noticed that may warrant a correction is at 29:49 on Rosewood Highway just before the bridge it seems like its a bit to sharp or a curve right after the bridge segment. should be a bit more straighter after bridge and a nice subtle curve for a highway.
I have not played City II in long time - but I was following along with this series to get me started. This makes me miss playing along with you. Maybe it is time for me to pick up where I left off and get back into it. I love your content !
One thing that feels a bit strange about city services still is how they generally only have one connection to a road/street. Like, all of the Post Offices that I've been to in my city have a customer parking lot accessible from one street, and a delivery vehicle lot behind it connected to either the perpendicular street or sometimes even weirder things like the opposite side of a trapezoid or the base of a triangle. I wish CS2 had more assets that behaved like that, with service vehicles using one connection and the public using a different one...
I loved the bit you did at the beginning, but I must say that one way couplets don't always function in the service of pedestrian safety. In real like (at least in US) one way roads typically encourage people to go faster down the street.
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Theres screentearing as you pan the map about lately, done something different?
make a European neighborhood tho
Hey Phil, 2 things I wanted to address were
If Sheila developed all that land herself would it make sense for her to name certain areas after herself
50:57 : just saying that small grey area on the far left would be perfect for a lighthouse in the future
Damn Phil's voice acting range has really come along strong 😄
I really like what he's done with Chucky but his impression of Timmons might have to grow on me a bit more
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34:46 that's a turn even minecarts have a hard time with. I would just remove it and make trains reverse, they can do that and it look way more realistic
I’m wondering if it’s AI generated via something like ElevenLabs or if it’s an actual person.
it's so much fun hearing "it's fine/it looks fine" knowing there will be a minute plus montage of fixing coming
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1. I'm happy to see that the rail bridge was removed from the little lake.
2. As much as I prefer Emily (and am glad she won), Chuckles isn't wrong about a lack of dedicated conservation areas/efforts.
True, I think we need some political participation from the opposition to bring some equilibrium
@@4zael_ The Neighbors local group in MC has been very loud in advocating conservation efforts. Though that conversation has been limited the planning committee on discord.
It's sad how you'd never see a statement like this in real politics. There's no nuance anymore. When's the last time you've seen someone say, "I like X politician, but politician Y isn't wrong about problem Z,"
We need stuff like this IRL.
@@eyesack6845sadly it won't happen any time soon or people will start losing elections😢😢
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safe to say im invested in the magnolia county lore now
Who isn’t lol
The fact that I replayed the video to just watch the news scrolling at the bottom during the governor debate show how invested I (and probably others) are.
Me when this series started: "This is a bit awkward, but I'm glad this guy is having fun."
Me at this video: "DID SHE DIVORCE HIS ASS YET?!?!"
@@Umberspite-xs3yy hahahaha fr😂
About the rail: massively agree with the changes made. However, that curve is too tight (you don’t want a train to have to slow down that much in the middle of a journey). The rail company is more likely to pay for the bridge to be extended (or the bank raised to allow the track to pass under it) than to accept a bend that tight and slow.
As for raised track, it’s very common in English rail construction (although I don’t know as much for the US). It allows the trains to maintain a greater speed, since most of the surrounding area is low, rolling hills, much like coastal Magnolia. It also helps to prevent flooding.
Ya that bend was cringe too tight as a rail fan. I would just pull that connection way back down the two lines, have the road go over it.
It would't be that unreasonable in older, underused sections or close to depots or stations, but in this case, more or less in the middle of the main corridor, it is a bottleneck for the whole network. Any train taking the turn will have to slow down so much that it risks delaying all those coming behind.
Well since we're probably revisiting it next time I'd suggest a much gentler wye configuration. Back it out further and maybe have it cross the road to make the connection. With an eye to the future for grade separation to be done.
Only other solution in its current position to have a flyover but I dont know how keen Jamila would be on that idea or how it'd play with the road network.
As someone who works in rail (the signalling side, not the actual track construction) that curve just gives me headway nightmares
to be honest, here in the US it'll be the complete opposite. raised track would be a non-starter by CSX, Union Pacific, NS, and BNSF, which are the 4 major rail companies in the US for any area. it would be considered cheaper to dig straight through rolling hills.
then again, rail construction is a rare sight to see here in the US, and aside from laying down new track every 10 years, and brightline becoming a private version of amtrak, it stands to reason that you're not gonna have much go through any town. it is more likely you will find more road construction than rail.
@@Zeakthecat exactly
"Local developer suggests building beach properties without beaches" 😂. I loved the ribbon at the bottom during the beginning
Chuckles singing “We didn’t start the fire!” 😂 Bad look dude.
His "we didn't start the fire" shirt is raising a lot of questions that are answered by his shirt
This is my favorite channel on UA-cam at the moment, and has been for a while now. It’s funny because I’ve never even played the game. I just find the depth of the story compelling, and the meticulous and logical planning to be very relaxing to me. I can’t explain it but your work is therapeutic to me Phil. You rule! Thanks for all your hard work!!!
Same here! I look forward to these episodes the same way I looked forward to my favorite television shows as a child. The end of each episode always leaves me with the desire for more!
I started playing Cities Skylines 1 because of this channel. Never picked up a city builder before then.
I bought CS1 after one of Phil's DLC ranking videos. Turns out I would rather watch other people play than do it myself.
it's more likely his "put you to sleep" voice that's relaxing you so much lol
@@vineousvondrake2456 Most nights I struggle to fall asleep, literally tossing and turning for more than an hour sometimes, then I start playing one of his videos and I'm gone within a few minutes. It sucks that I've watched all his videos because now I have to wait for his next video to be uploaded. His videos are the only thing that helps me to fall asleep faster
Often imitated, never replicated. Your storytelling is top tier. And with these voiceovers, I could watch stories of your cities like soap operas. I love it.
I want to challenge you on couplets being safer for pedestrians! 🙂
If your streets are flat, straight, and have priority timed traffic lights, then there's nothing to slow down vehicles-leading cars to treat the road like a highway. My community is actually converting our couplet into two two-ways due to the impact speeding vehicles have had on noise, air quality, walkability, pedestrian safety, and ultimately commercial activity.
If you want to keep the couplet but make it safer, perhaps consider adding curb extensions? Or narrow the lanes with parking/widened sidewalks/trees? 🤷♂
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I work for the German Rail and one of my stations is right there where two lines meet and it has such a slingshot curve. It was build in war times and can handle even the heaviest trains (guess why...) but only at 40km/h. However, it is regularly used but only few times the day. One generally avoids sudden bents, always curve in and out smoothly (the entrance of the station). 1.25% is considered the maximum slope for main tracks (due to heavy cargo trains - they can barely make it. My other station has 1.2% and if they must stop, they might break down and need an assistant engine. We in Germany usually have only one engine per train but our trains are not as long and not as heavy as in the states).
Jesus Christ, you did good on the beggining
That curve at the junction looked far too small to me, so I quickly found a minimum curve speed calculator for trains online to use as a guideline.
The equation it gave is r = v^2/[g*tan(theta)], r being the radius of the curve, v being the maximum velocity of the train, g being gravity, and theta being the bank angle of the track. I believe the same calculation is used for highway curves, but trains can only handle far shallower bank angles. For the calculation, I used the 115m shown when making the curve as the radius (which is actually higher than the radius so this is an over estimation of velocity), and bank angles of 1 degree and 10 degrees
on such a 115m radius curve, a 1 degree bank gives a max velocity of 4.4 km/h (2.7 mph), and a ten degree bank gives 14 km/h (8.7 mph). That is far, far too small a curve, as trains get most of their efficiency by staying at speed and not spending energy on braking and accelerating unless absolutely necessary
Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, or a Cities Skylines player their radii of curvature.
Sounds about right. You could get away with a tight turn like that close to a station where the train is already going slowly, but it'd be very unwelcome for a train that's up to speed...
Adding a community fishing pier or even a small marina would be an awesome addition to a beach town like this! Maybe in that small natural cove in the bottom right of the town :)
I think adding some homes on the other side of the road closest to the beach might be a cool addition, I don't know what its like on the Great Lakes but at least along the West coast you see lots of homes' back yards facing the ocean, with entrances to the beach being where roads go perpendicular to the ocean between homes. Considering Sheila's willingness to develop all the inland forested, I don't see why she would be unwilling to encroach onto the beach a bit more for the sake of making more money from that beachfront real estate, unless she has a real affinity for preserving specifically beaches LOL. The build looks great regardless!
Maybe the trailer park style assets would fit considering their small size and how often it was seeing small camper style homes or shacks even on beachfronts
Wow the radius of that rail junction. That is a derailment or head-on collision waiting to happen.
Yeah, that small radius wouldn't happen. The track would have split off earlier to have a larger radius that would allow faster speeds.
1. Part of me wants you to revisit every town with that zoning tool, to make everything look better (lots of work, I know)
2. Green Street should be Johnson Street
1:12 Did that news ticker say Verde Beach might actually becoming back!!!
Probably an early April Fools' Joke
I love how detailed the lore is getting
You make the best city builder videos because it's not just about maxing out the population, or reaching some milestone as fast as possible. Every episode has a clear goal and it feels realistic to the size of the community. Just like with Verde Beach, I really enjoy the local stories that are going on.
imma be 100% with you phil, I love it when you screw up rail and have to do it over and over. I love rail episodes, simple as
The quality in these videos make it worth the wait!! Love this.
Thank you so much!!
You should have a large roundabout where umber and pine (couplet) meets the highways because a lot of the traffic is going to enter the community through there
That train curve under the bridge is super tight. Feasible maybe but on a new build it would definitely be made much wider radius.
26:35 i *am* prematurely commenting this because I've not finished the video yet, but 2 tracks for the station and 2 tracks for passing trains, so 4 tracks, are more than enough for a station this size I feel. 8 tracks isn't something you'd see in a million population city, who is going to use those last 2 tracks. passing trains already have what they need
The news ticker at the bottom if the debate was gold. This must have been so much work, but it came out amazing! Thanks for the great video. I still look forward to these even though I can't get myself to play CS2 anymore
Hey Phil, a little work around i've found until we get legacy flavor back is when you open a build menu such as transportation and manually close the info panel in the top left it will get rid of the white overlay while you place buildings, hope this helps🙂
I'm here to appreciate the little things in the edit, like going through the tree branches as a cut from before to after in the city tour :)
a cool thing to add (not sure if theres a mod out for this or not) would be to have a race track somewhere in MC. "Magnolia County Speedway" or "Magnolia County Circuit"
@CityPlannerPlays: When you drew that switchback for the rail Y, I inhaled like someone had punched me in the gut. They'd put a level crossing through a highway in before accepting that tight a curve. Or a bridge over both the rail and the highway to join up from the far side, *something*.
Omg I love the ticker, so many good jokes
I'm a fan of even the simple "WSUP" station identifier.
My biggest problem with every CPP playlist is... that I binge them too fast and now have to wait weeks till the next one, love the content!
Phil, to answer your question I think the junction at 32:25 is way too tight with far too much slowdown. You could make a much wider bend before the bridge and its associated bank to allow high speed to be maintained. It would result in another grade crossing but to be fair it's impossible to avoid *all* grade crossings at *all* times without unreasonably high cost.
As pointed out elsewhere the rail company could pay for a longer bridge or extended road bank above the tracks if the need for it justifies the expense.
0:30 my Chuckles propaganda made it into the video!? haha amazing!
Hey, i think that sharing high school between several communities is reasonable if they are well connected with public transport and it's not the case with Paradise bay. Probably establishing a bus route to Chairity island is necessary
The level of effort going in to this storytelling is off the scale man. Fair play!
32:27 that curve is probably way too tight, it might not be a problem depending on if the cargo is not time-sensitive (because the trains would need to take this at a very low speed to not derail)
also the elevated sections of track aren't all that bad, viaducts like that are all over the place, tho they're certainly more expensive than level railway; where you're more likely to see viaducts tens of kilometers long is in rapid transit
Hey Phil, 2 things I wanted to address were
If Sheila developed all that land herself would it make sense for her to name certain areas after herself
50:57 : just saying that small grey area on the far left would be perfect for a lighthouse in the future
That newspaper was such a fun detail. I actually ended up reading each article, congrats to whoever made it!
Changing the rail line to cross that neighbourhood at grade is very good imo. With the hard turn, its definitely something you could see, but it would lower the track speed for that corner by quite a lot so they'd probably just extend the bridge if they had money for it. I wouldn't say that if you leave it as is it would be wrong, because theres definitely some spots where youll see turns that tight on parts of the east coast where space is at a premium, but if you change it that would also be good and probably a bit more realistic for an area like MC.
Love the series!
Sorry Phil, I'm afraid to say that the new slingshot railway connection is way too tight, it would be very unlikely to see a train do a curve that tight irl.
You are the best at balancing the emergent lore with respecting your established lore. That crazy slingshot rail connection could exist IRL.... but yeah that's a 5mph corner 🤣🤣🤣
CPP has gone full Telenovela and I had no idea how much I needed this in my life
That news ticker. So much back story to CPP's builds.
Superior's main news network flip-flopping between a K and a W gets me every time. It's right in the middle of the Mississippi!!
Holy moly, I miss a few episodes and when I come back, I'm in the middle of a whole TV show! This is absolutely fantastic Phil, LOVE it!!
Edit: The way you wove the sponsor shout-out into the narrative is just brilliant! 😄😄
WOW! this really goes above and beyond! thank you for your dedication to this series Phil, you have set a high standard for other creators.
the most satisfying episodes imo are when you add or overhaul major roads and rail to make them so much more reasonably connected! 👏🏻 I even enjoy the mulligans along the way and learn so much from your process.
Hey Phil, I hope you'll see this comment because I have a reccomendation for your waterfront builds.
If you look at some interesting places with beachfront property (Virginia beach VA, Crescent Beach FL, etc) there is usually never a road between the primary beachfront property and the actual beach. The roads are offset from the coastline to allow properties built towards the beach, but retain the actual beachfront. In the cresent beach example its actually super interesting because there is a really large protected dune ecosystem between the buildings and the beach and you'll see all the condo complexes build a long boardwalk type path over and across this zone to link their property to the beach.
Might be interesting to look at :)
Thanks!
I’m a news reporter for city of 100k. I have to say I absolutely love this series, and it’s scarily realistic!
It really bothers me how there are huuge residential neighbourhoods without even a single corner store.
America moment
Are you not American by any chance?
The story & lore keep getting better and better!
Something about the rows of similar houses on matching rectangular lots gave me flashbacks to when I was drafting (plot plans specifically) for a Major Production Homebuilder like 20 years ago. I got out of the industry when I realized I was not OK with being an Agent of Sprawl and turning perfectly good countryside into subdivisions.
I love that this is the first episode since the election and already we have given a beautiful island in the lake back to nature
Thank you for keeping going with CS2. It’s a joy to see the game progress and grow towards something I want to play. It’s still a way off being good enough yet but once custom assets are added I can see myself playing again.
To put some numbers on the severity of that one particular rail curve, the freight locomotive in C:S2 is based on the General Electric/Wabtec 'Evolution Series' locomotive. The manufacturer advises the minimum curve radius for locomotives of this type is 273 ft (or 21 degrees of curvature). In reality, curvature would be limited even further by long train cars not present in C:S2, like auto carriers which need a curve of 350 feet radius or bigger! The construction UI says the diameter of that curve was around 120 meters. So, radius of 60 meters, or about 200 feet. So, while my eyes say that's too tight, the math agrees-make that curve bigger!
I work on the railway in Australia, and the “triangle” you made with the tight curve isn’t technically that crazy, but it would definitely be super super slow, it might even have a slip-lane type extra bit of rail on the entry and exit sides of the triangle so that the curve isn’t killer haha
I was thinking about what you said wanting the new community to have a history and I thought of an opportunity to do some of your story telling that's been so great lately. When the city starts growing and you decide to increase density in certain areas, or change roads, that could be a squabble between new locals arguing the merits of growth vs irreparably changing the character of the community. Anyway, just thought you might like the idea. Love your videos!
Hey CPP! I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you sticking with CS2 even when it's not been well received, over all. It's a very imperfect game that should get better as time goes on with more and more mod support, as you're demonstrating here. I really want to see this series, and future series too, so I hope you're getting enough views and enough engagement to make it worth it, even with the state of the game more broadly being what it is.
hear hear
your debate at the start of the video was so cool! and might I say, the transition into the sponorship was pretty good too
Now it's time to investigate that clown's involvement in the fires!
Also... that debate moderator... 🤔
You could imagine that the 3 gas stations are actually just one big entity. The two yellow painted are for fuel and the green is a charging station for electric vehicles.
This is the best city builder series I’ve ever seen by far. This kind of lore gives me life
33:25 : Is the rail line reasonable...
For 1840, yes
For 1940, probably, but only on a slow branch line
For 2040, not a chance, esp. for high speed rail...
41:03 If you ever want to place a radio mast or telecom tower in the middle of a city, you could put it right next to a police station. Idk about how it's done in the US but here in France police stations (and gendarmeries) usually have a gigantic radio mast for whatever reason (to communicate with units on the field or other emergency services, I guess), so it probably would not look too much out of place.
Just wanted to mention that the train station in the base game already comes with a passing track, making the one you added redundant. Also, that curve is far to tight. Thats an inevitable collision or derailment.
CS2 is lucky to have you... You really make me love this game even with all its flaws.
Im immensely upset that Chuckles lost, yet another election. However I will say he was too hard on the preservation of the forest to really stand a chance.
I really really hope Chuckle's campaign still inspires continued activism to save the beautiful nature of Superior. Even though he lost the election let's hope we wins his battle
You could add a Mausoleum to the cemetery. As Sheila Johnson started the community and as former governour of Superior she built one for her and her family in her honor
you have a knack for creating some truly nightmare intersections i would hate to drive through, especially as part of a daily commute. like that intersection group near the post office. that reminds me of a bundle of intersections on my commute where it opens up into a main road which has far greater priority over the collector, so the light is way longer for it, but there's a close intersection in front of the collector which extremely frequently traps cars within the intersection that are expecting to be able to clear it, which is double hard to tell because there's a crest just after the intersection so you can't see if you'll get trapped in the intersection until you're basically on top of it. basically. intersections that are too close together, have a crest right after them, or have extremely sharp angles to navigate around or which make a long sweeping curve through the middle due to a curved connection vastly extending the intersection zone, are all nightmares and extremely dangerous for cars and peds. simplifying an intersection as much as possible for maximum safety is a top priority to me. unless it's some super special kind like times square where looks are more important and all types of traffic take a backseat with reduced speeds, flow chance, and such. pretty much i'd mostly avoid what i call "fancy grids" where they connect at weird angles in order to prevent what i'd also like to call "times square spam" which you seem to specialize in quite heavily :p. it's also partially from my experience as a hobbyist street scrapper who goes out on trash nights and picks up metal junk people put by the road to turn in to a scrap yard the next day for some quick cash. navigating fancy grids in as clean a route as possible with minimal backtracking is basically impossible here. it's mostly curvy roads with dead ends and only very loosely a disconnected grid through the center. i have to backtrack for daysssss to check every street for scrap. makes me wanna tail a garbage truck one day to see how well they've optimized the route so i can just copy that. i feel it also greatly interferes with safety in terms of emergency service response cuz they have to navigate all these weird twisty turny spaghetti ass roads to get anywhere in the neighborhood. clean grids just make everything easier for everyone tbh. boring yes. but oh so lovely. can easily see all the way down each street both ways for quick scrapping. quick response times. visiting friends and family not getting lost. etc. ahhhh. the dream. anyways. love your builds. so pretty uwu.
'we're going to add a railways station in the heart of t his community' Oh Lordy here we go... :D
And then he proceeds to place it on the edge of town so it's completely useless to anyone.
@@IISSAACC that's a bit harsh, all you need is a small bus terminal next to the station and it'll be accessible to everyone. You dont *need* to place it in the middle of the town, this happens all the time
Think it will be in the heart of the community; he clearly defined a town center around the station and other city services. And also, at least to me, it’s pretty clear that town is going to be expanded so once that happens there will be no doubt that the station is in the center of the community. Just wait, it’ll grow organically.
@@ludvigholst4767 Yep It fits for an American city lol.
The furthest you can be from the train station in that town is like 500m, there's absolutely no need for local buses lmao @@ludvigholst4767
That's a really tight curve for a passenger train. I would have sennt the track across the road before the bridge, not under the bridge. The rest of the track layout is great.
Another thing, Your texture pack plays really well into keeping cliff faces in the cuts that are being made for the tracks, so I would have kept those in, or at least some. Think of it as a cost reduction measure. Don't blast more rock than you need to and so forth.
The reclaimed island feels like a place like Park Point in Duluth, MN. Lots of controversy out there right now about land ownership and her ultimate intent.
Dude, the seamless intro into your Ad... *chefs kiss*
Trains!
Phil I have thoughts on trains for you.
- The radius of curvature of track depends on the tracks purpose, similar to roads. Mainline track should be fast and gentle curves. Yards are the equivalent of parking lots and need slow track and can be tightly curved. The tight turn that you made is likely not fit for it's purpose. It would cause delays on a busy network because it the trains have to slow down and slowing down / accelerating takes a long time.
- Trains have a minimum turn radius. Longer cars require larger turns.
- Trains can derail if there is too much tension in the train on a large (angle between entrance and exit) curve. The cars can get pulled off the track to the center of the curve.
And one final thing (that you probably already know because you did this professionally). It looks like you could be planning for transit too late in your process. The area around your transit (and cargo) stations is some of the most valuable real estate in your city. Or depending on the story for your city, the city could be built around the old railroad/harbor.
If the new development is going to share a school district with Chairity Island, it might be a good idea to add a more direct and faster road connection between the two communities.
I absolutely love the depth of story in this series. Chuckles has my vote, no clownin 😤😤
Nvm I just saw the vote. My man got done dirty 🙁😔
Three ideas: suggest flipping the post office around so it is on the back half of the block. It's mostly a logistics centre anyway. It can be just behind main street (on the same block) which will provide more valuable real estate for commercial frontage interests.
Also BTW, the new development is a long way away from Chuckle's shuttle. With the election loss perhaps its time to focus on his core strengths and grow the brand and the business. Maybe he needs a new branch in the new community! Perhaps some small lane in the back of the community was named King Lane (King LAME) as a small dig. Oh look, there already is one near the beach front! He wears that insult as a badge of pride, and most vehicle depots hide behind the community in laneways anyway.
Third idea: There is already a natural spit of land right at the edge of the peninsula. This could very easily be extended into a Groyne (beach preserving structure to prevent sand from eroding along the beach) which will help protect these large but exposed beach fronts.
New guilty pleasure: when in a Phil video 'that' tune starts playing. You know the one. 😉
These stories are so top tier. Like you really make this so much more than a city builder game. I will never not love your playthroughs. Your Amazing Phil!
Still loving the News ticker, the jab at the beach properties DLC absolutely got a chuckle out of me.
I love the idea of upgrading services as the series continues
Hello I really like your build.
Regarding your rail I'm from Germany so I cant really say how it is in the US but to me the curve into the mainline seems way to tight.
Any train going trough there would have to do so at walking pace costing valuble minutes that the mainline is blocked.
Also generally atleast here in Germany on new build lines the train company tries to have the least amount of at grade crossing possible to avoid any potential accidants with cars.
So from my understanding it would totally make sense to keep the elevated section inside the city where the parks was and then drop down to ground level.
This would potentially also get more goodwill form the residents towards the mining company.
For newly build lines these days speed is also more heavily weighted against just cost reductions from stictly following the landscape, so if it would reduce the amount of slopes or reduce their grade its not uncommon to see more and longer bridges/tunnels.
And an general tip 2% grade is usally the maximum you should go for.
At 2% most freight allready would need addational hauling power just for that segment.
And anything over 2.5% is bassicly unfeasible for freight running, from an economic standpoint at least. Tho that might be diffrent in the US.
Man, the production value is through the roof with these videos! Well done!
The lore is getting more interesting🫣🫣
I absolutely love this channel. There aren't any other channels that have its viewer engaged like this channel. Just one suggestion. Rename Main St to Priority Ave/Blvd/Rd. Main St has been used several times throughout all builds. This build is special because the developer had recently lost her position in office😅...let spice it up a little. Plus "Main St." will eventually connect to the main Highway coming into the new city. Just saying 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would love to see some trams go into the new development. It would the new area a St. Kilda vibe, maybe with an iconic theme park right on the shore.
With new neighborhoods/streets, can we get some more street naming? It would mean the world to me to have a street named after my cat "Arnold." He recently crossed the rainbow bridge after battling multiple illnesses. He loved to come and hangout with me in the morning when I would have the opportunity to relax and watch your latest episode.
As someone who has done a lot of train spotting and been around rails quite a bit I would say the turn at 32:40 is fairly harsh, but not completely terrible, someone with more knowledge on rail design might be more insightful on this topic, but in my opinion, I would push it back a good bit
I love this series. Really appreciate your hard work!
Just discovered while working on my city, if you click on the information panel icon on the top left, it does the same thing as pressing “I” does and takes away the map visuals. I hope this helps. Been a long time viewer. Appreciate all you do!
Love how unique this video style is. Massive fan, it actually makes you feel invested in the playthrough
Great work on another episode. Thank you for all the great videos you make. One thing I noticed that may warrant a correction is at 29:49 on Rosewood Highway just before the bridge it seems like its a bit to sharp or a curve right after the bridge segment. should be a bit more straighter after bridge and a nice subtle curve for a highway.
I have not played City II in long time - but I was following along with this series to get me started. This makes me miss playing along with you. Maybe it is time for me to pick up where I left off and get back into it. I love your content !
One thing that feels a bit strange about city services still is how they generally only have one connection to a road/street. Like, all of the Post Offices that I've been to in my city have a customer parking lot accessible from one street, and a delivery vehicle lot behind it connected to either the perpendicular street or sometimes even weirder things like the opposite side of a trapezoid or the base of a triangle. I wish CS2 had more assets that behaved like that, with service vehicles using one connection and the public using a different one...
Wooooow, incredible episode! I really love how fleshed out the lore's getting -- it helps give the build so much depth.
That lake u built around could have been a really awesome half natural port
The news ticker had me cracking up and completely distracted me from the debate 😂 10/10 news
I loved the bit you did at the beginning, but I must say that one way couplets don't always function in the service of pedestrian safety. In real like (at least in US) one way roads typically encourage people to go faster down the street.