They can be wildly controversial. Not too long ago, someone complained to every news outlet in town that a stop was going in by their house and would "take" their property while "forcing" them to have sidewalks installed. This was a stop added within the right-of-way, along with sidewalks installed within the right-of-way, too. That's just one example, but there are many more... maybe a good topic for a stream!
I feel that Butler End should be called Cannon Point because it was the location of a small Army Fort during the 1800's that was designed to protect against hostile forces sailing up the river unopposed
29:20 I feel like it would be better to have the Free Bend-University route stopping at the back entrance to the High School and the €2 Bend - Copper Valley route running through the areas north of the main avenue since that would be significant barrier if you were walking. It would be beneficial for both the high-schoolers, for the Bend-Copper Valley route itself (Wouldn’t mirror the Bend-University route as much as well as serve areas that currently have pretty bad access to transit, making it more profitable) and for the transit coverage in the city.
I found it really interesting when you talked about how people are against having bus stops nearby. I live around a more rural area in Hong Kong, and although this is anecdotal, I find that a lot of us actually want bus stops near our homes. We have these small 16-19 seater "minibuses" that service the smaller rural areas, and people often celebrate new routes opening.
In America, pretty much everyone already has cars and hasn't really thought about using anything else. So buses don't seem necessary and appear to only bring negatives to the community.
It's about density. If you're in a rural area with single family homes. You wouldn't want strangers hanging out, loading, and offloading in front of or near your home. Not to mention vehicle (or other) noise it brings. Entry into higher density condos/ apartments is typically locked to residents only or have some form of security.
Most people want bus stops nearby, they just don't want them right in their front yard. You want it to be a quick, short walk but you don't want to deal with dozens of strangers hanging out in your yard or on your property.
This is a really good idea. It would also let you not have to put schools in every small town. Like in real life, they could bus to a farther away school
I think there could be a level of "east vs west". Naming the new area East or West Bend and having a competing school districts at some point, could be an interesting story moment. It would feel very similar to an area not far from my home suburb, where we had two high schools named east and west.
where i went to highschool a nearby town had north side and south side, they absolutely hated each other which i didnt get because some of those guys lived in the same neighborhood
Yeah, it's the kind of boringly unimaginative name that occurs everywhere. I mean, I live in NZ, where the major parts of the country are the North Island and the South Island.
The one highschool in Bend already has a stadium for the small town rivalry games! In my experience one side always gets the better budget and ends up with better equipment, coaches and stuff, and usually ends up dominating the game. Doesn't stop the parents from cheering super loud though!
Since Bend is a pretty college-focused town at the moment, I’m gonna offer some suggestions that the university itself might request: A smaller lower intensity bus route or something to get around campus could be cool especially if you have plans for expanding the campus in future (which would be cool to see btw). Also, sure to also put a bus stop closer to the university dorms for the student’s sake. Even a short walk from the school to the bus can really suck if you’re carrying a big suitcase or something (lots of students will be doing this when they go home/travel for thanksgiving, winter & spring break, and long weekends), and students are definitely going to utilize that luxury if you provide it. Another thing is that to keep the bus depot outside of residential areas but close to areas of high use, you could move the bus depot near the university. The school might’ve even sold the city the land for the bus depot at a below market price to keep startup costs down. Love the videos by the way! They’ve rekindled my love for cities skylines (though I’m too broke to get myself cities skylines 2 atm)
Here in Brazil, not all bus stops are symmetrical. This means that on the way back of the loop line, you can pass through other locations. It's interesting to see the differences. Additionally, some cities here have something that we call a "Integrated Terminal", where we have buses and the subway on the same terminal, so you can pay one ticket to use both services.
I think that's more of an European development strategy. The city I grew up in had many places like that where buses, trams, and the subway all shared one terminal and people could buy transit tickets that covered all of them.
Absolutely. But it’s hard to make integrated terminals in CS2 because the bus terminals are just too dang small. You can’t do anything with only 6 spaces, and there’s no way to make a joined metro/bus terminal without just imagining it’s one thing. Maybe a DLC later, like the one in CS1
This episode is really confusing to me as an Australian, because I can't comprehend having a central bus station so far out of the city - here it just wouldn't happen, or would be viewed as an expensive boondoggle.
I grew up in India, and agree with that 100%. Now living in the US and seeing where my city has built its largest bus station, however, this location in the video makes sense (as sad as that is)
One thing to consider is that the city is still growing, and the location it's in will continue to be more and more central as things expand and density increases. What doesn't make sense is that there's no connection into the urban area from the west at the moment. I'm sure CPP has plans to de-cul-de-sac the office area where the landfill used to be at some point, and it will end up being a bit more logical.
As someone living in a city in the US, our central bus hub is in downtown so seeing it outside of downtown is weird to me. Edit: it's also weird seeing the bus stops be directly across from each other when they're at intersections. Where I'm from when there are two across from each other at an intersection each bus stop will be behind the traffic light/stop sign.
From my experience, bus depots tend to actually be in very crowded areas. Like right in the middle of everything as they’re usually apart of the main bus hub, which is usually in the very middle or most populated/busiest part of a town/city. Town I lived in it used to be dead centre in the middle of town where the old fire station used to be, but was later moved to be behind the train station when rail and bus companies started working more closely together. (When trains aren’t running buses will go point to point to train stations without stopping and it’s free.) The main city in my area has the bus hub and depot in the main heart of the city. Surrounded by pedestrian shopping plaza area and the university and college as well as lots of densely packed townhouses and apartments.
I wonder if the municipal government could get buy-in from Chuckles if they contract his cabs for specialized transit such as para transpo. He gets guaranteed fares and folks with special needs have access to affordable transportation.
I think the main but-in would be NOT stealing from hard-working citizens to create a service that not everyone uses. It should be, if you use it, you pay for it. You use roads? Gas tax and tolls cover road maintenance. You use the bus? Pay for the bus. But people being forced at gunpoint to give up MORE of their hard earned money to pay for other people's desire to ride a smelly fart box with 50 people is something that Chuckles the Great does not agree with.
Love how City Planner Plays’ series basically have their own cinematic universe at this point. The stories make it so interesting to watch, it’s like watching a history documentary
2 things id like to mention to add realism and cohesion to the busses: 1. You wouldn't have bi-directional bus service at the end of a route, like the roundabout in the university. Instead you'd have the bus go around the roundabout and stop at the singular stop. this means the bus doesn't need to stop as often when it doesn't need to. 2. Often times the 2 stops are not directly next to each other on the road, instead they're staggered. This keeps the spacings on the road much nicer (the game does that instead by adding the bus lanes down the road, but still, even in some cases that a road has that lane, the stops are not that close)
For the neighborhood currently called Butler End, I propose the name Meander View, or maybe just Meander. It sits right on a tight meander of the river, and the houses there would have a really nice view. The walking trails around would make for a great park that could be named after the meander of the river as well.
CPP: I don't want to go crazy with landscaping, I'll just prepare a few areas to focus on. Also CPP: Goes ham with lines of trees and bushes. To be clear I think it all looks awesome, just something that made me chuckle.
@@alexanderwells4516 The town of Greenmoor, long removed from its simple farming days, has seen the university become the town’s main employer. Whereas many of its population are open to the ideas and new opportunities being afforded to them, Bishop Alphus clings to the old ways and old laws that built up Greenmoor into what it is today, and due to the town’s outdated code of laws, the Catholic leaders still hold power. But newer generations are coming into the town to the university and times are quickly changing. The current point of contention is after the opening of the Greenmoor Medical Research Institute, a statement of the art facility dedicated to the research of medicine and health sciences. Bishop Alphus protested greatly, using the local population to strengthen his position and using connections in the local government to delay the opening, but failed. With the new research facility, there are many skilled job openings in the area as well as medical professionals moving to the city, current University of Greenmoor President, Alexandria Jimenez, puts forward a notion to the city council to obtain a building permit to add on a Medical School to the university, but seeing his power already waning after he failed to stop the research facility, Bishop Alphus invoked the outdated code of laws to strike down her proposal. Voters are currently split into many divisions as much of the population, including some of the Catholic, see Bishop Alphus as someone clinging to tradition and abusing his power. As such, Jimenez has announced her support for Andrei Spaseba, a prominent business man in his run for mayor, on the condition that he promise to undo the old laws that give the power to the diocese, which he does in his campaign speeches. In a last ditch effort to keep Greenmoor on the right path, Bishop Alphus gives his support to a very conservative candidate in opposition to Spaseba. And for now my friend, all we can do is wait for the voters to choose the future of Greenmoor.
I don't get how you turn such a vanilla game right now into this...as of right now everyone under the sun is building cities. But you, and the story, makes this a entirely different game. Absolutely love the vid cpp amazing job as always.
In light of the addition of hickory trees, along with the four-way crossing being the focal point of the neighborhood, Emerson Glen could be named "Hickory Crossing" Has a bit of a ring to it :)
Just before watching this, I have to say it’s not so much the city building that I love(although that is a major aspect) I really engage with the story telling side of the city building as this is how I and Iam guessing many others play this game.
Ah, victory. I love seeing the way that a transit auth can be created and slowly develop over time - looking forward to what happens with it in the future!
I chuckled when you were talking about rural bus stops requiring a touch of "urbanization" like sidewalks, because where I'm from if the village doesn't have a full-on bus station then the bus stop is quite often just a shelter literally off the side of the highway, and you're (probably) expected to leg it there however many kilometers. Luckily never had to do that myself... one can hope those are just remains of the old transit system
Recently went back to the rural area that I left for the city, and felt a pang of nostalgia when I ended up waiting at an ivy-overgrown, concrete-walled bus shelter, with a collapsed roof, on the side of a disused A-Road with no idea whether my connection would be turning up in an hour
Absolutely love the videos ! I also love the American view of planning bus routes, as a French person. Here in France, in most urban or suburban areas, most busses are local, which mean they only serve a single neighbourhood and connect to a mass transit system, wether that be train, metro or trams. There are still lines that go from one town to another, but they're more "express" busses, and used only in more rural areas, where there is no mass transit coverage.
Hi Phil, when I was in Hawaii I found it strange that none of the busses heading towards a bus station. The bus would go through Waikiki but there was no Waikiki Bus Station for passangers to depart and embark on new bus journeys. The closest to this was the senate building, with bus stops spread far around the complex. Every bus I've ever been on in the UK begins and ends at a city centre bus station. For me this is super conveninent, as if I'm going from Village A to Town C, I always know I can connect at B, the end of A line's city centre bus station, and most of my journeys are typically straight to the city centre anyway. They have also been very near, or even incorperated directly into, the other transportation services or hubs in the city, such as train stations or metro lines. It would never occur to me to get off a bus at a random stop to connect to another bus line as I experienced in Hawaii, nor that the bus station would be on the other side of the city to the train station, as is the case in Bend. I wanted to ask if what I experienced in Hawaii is typical for bus services in the US, if you are modeling based on this system with your bus station so far from your pre-existing downtown development and train station, and what the benifits of such a system are. I hope this post comes off as eager to gleam insight and not critical. I want to learn from Mr City Planner. Sorry for the long post. I really tried to shorten it :)
I can help with parts of this. The US is a huge place. The situation in Hawaii tells you nothing about the situation in Houston which tells you nothing about NYC. I live in Harrisburg - which is a mid-size town in the middle-ish of Pennsylvania. When I visit Philadelphia - which is a 1.5 hour drive away - I drive there and use my car exclusively despite the fact that Harrisburg actually has relatively okay train service to Philly. Same story with Baltimore (1.5 hours) and Pittsburgh (3.5 hours) - but when I visit NYC I will take the train almost every time. Harrisburg to NYC by train will put me right in the heart of Manhattan and the NYC subway system is good. Pittsburgh isn't exactly a great transit city but it does have a usable light rail system that interfaces with bus routes. Hawaii is building an elevated rail system that will eventually connect the densely populated west end to the airport and through Honolulu almost to Waikiki, so that's going to improve eventually.
I can't speak to the US, but in my city (Auckland, NZ), bus stations are historically rare, but becoming more common as the public transport network evolves. 20 years ago, I had a long commute on a bus that connected distant suburbs (no stations) to the city center (which is and was the major hub, connecting to rail and ferry networks). I don't live out that way anymore, but if I did, the trip would now involve a bus terminating at a new-ish rail/bus interchange about halfway to the city, then either a train or a second bus to my office. And that's been fairly typical of how the local networks have evolved... a greater emphasis on having those satellite hubs located around the main road and rail routes, and using suburban bus links to feed traffic between those hubs. Previously, it was very centralised... great if you just wanted to get into the city center, but almost useless for travelling cross-town. And what cross-connections existed generally weren't anything recognisably a "station"... it was mostly at somewhere like a shopping mall, or the main street of one of the suburban towns.
Im so happy to finally see someone do a realistic bus route! Everyone ells sets up a loop with 2 lines going each way and Ive told them that aint the way its done but finally someone done it!! Make me so happy!
In the context of Traffic Optimization/Engineering (if you are aiming for "realism"/real-world), the objective is to reduce private vehicle traffic(with public transit), therefore, the bus/route speeds (or Time Duration Spent) need to be approximately equal to or less than(via BRT) that of personal vehicles. This entails, among other factors, strategically placing bus stops, with a preference for "Near-side" locations situated alongside crosswalks and positioned "Downstream" from the preceding intersection(assuming no BRT). When this strategic placement is implemented, the impact of buses on overall traffic AND the impact on the bus route speed produced by passengers embarking and disembarking is minimized. For instance, when a bus is stationary at a red light, it makes sense to allow passenger loading and unloading since it has minimal impact to the bus route speed/performance (1 unavoidable stop). This is more efficient compared to holding off on passenger activities while the light is red, only to traverse the intersection when it turns green and then promptly stop at the other side of the intersection to load/unload passengers (1 unavoidable stop + 1 avoidable stop = 2 stops). References/Sources: - Traffic and Route Optimization Experience(aka part of my job) - Long research paper: journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1687814019848272 - Diagram example, Page 9, Figure 4: nacto.org/docs/usdg/septa_bus_stop_design_guidelines_delaware_valley.pdf Providing more depth to @jacoblienhardt earlier comment TLDR: Optimal bus stop placement involves positioning stops just before intersections, at/ just before the crosswalks, and diagonally across the intersection(or crosswalk/path) from each other for bi-directional routes. Sidenote: for a more optimal game play Drop the road node BEFORE dropping the bus stop. Edits: 1) Added Sidenote 2) Spelling/Grammer/Clarity
Since you have a route out to Copper Valley, you could potentially have a secondary bus depot out there or near the railway that would serve that route without dead-heading. Not realistic or feasible yet with the low usage for that route, but something to consider.
I grew up and went to college in rural/rural adjacent areas and it is very common to have homes along roads that farms are next to, especially with any amount of density nearby.
🚴♀ Your storytelling makes your channel stand out from other city builders. Really love the way you use your city to tell a compelling story! Keep up the awesome cities!
Hi ! I grew up in south of France near the river Rhône, in a little village call Fourques. The name is due to the river separate into a Y at this place. Fourques is a evolution of the old french name Fourco which come from the word fourche, litterally fork in english if you don't guessed it already 😁. I think Poplar View have kind of the same feature and made me think of this. Keep on your series, I watch them for few years now and love your city planner point of view. Have a nice year !!!
remember with rush hours andpeak directions 50% utilisation often means people passed up in peak direction and very quite buses in the off-peak direction.
You’re such a skilled creator. I always have your videos playing while I work from home. They’re so soothing and therapeutic. And I love Magnolia County! ❤
Thanks for the episode! For the intercity lines, having one line per outside connection that just zips back and forth between the connection and the bus station seems like the best use of city resources. It does not seem beneficial for Magnolia County to be paying for buses to transport people between Clearwater County and Duluth as you would have originally had it set up. :)
The lowered peninsula park should likely be a historical site, perhaps a small former native settlement that couldn't sustain due to being right on a floodplain. Decades later, some Dutch immigrants discovered the area while passing through and named the region where Bend now exists Flodslette. Obviously they didn't stick around and settle there, probably ended up somewhere in Minnesota, but it was remarkable enough that they decided to give it a name. You could put some ruins and quay walls around that park as a historical rejuvenation project, and have Flodslette Peninsula be a major tourist attraction in the city.
I can't think of a Dutch root that would lead to the name Flodslette (flood = vloed or overstroming; and the -ette diminutive is French, not Dutch). With the backstory you mention, where it floods regularly at high water levels, it wouldn't be a permanent historical settlement, but something like a summer camp: easy access to fishing the river in summer, and lush summer pastures for herds, but in winter they'd retreat to a more sturdy winter camp safe from floods. So calling it 'summer camp' would probably make more sense than any of the possible Dutch terms full of unusual dipthongs like 'uiterwaarden', 'buitendijkse gronden', 'broek' etc.
🚲 (Engagement!) [Edit: Wait... did you say BUS STOPS are a NIMBY concern in the US? Holy cow, you guys really hate anything that isn't your own metal box, don't ya? Meanwhile my city consideres 5 minutes the _maximum_ any citizen should have to walk to a transit stop. Obviously that brings busses through neighborhoods, but since an electric bus is way, waaaay less loud than the equivalent amount of single-occupant cars, I have never heard of that being an issue. Like, at all...] [Edit 2: I think Vermont Creek would most likely be named "Railhead" or "Clearwater Depot" or something as it was build on the grounds of the old depot you initially placed there. Or you could go the New York route with it and call it "South Side Yard", which citizens would then take to call SoSiYa - pronounced "So say ya!"]
I lament that such a big development didn’t get any story reasoning. But it is good that you continued the canon of Chuckles taxi service. Anyway thanks for the content. ❤❤❤
I wonder how Chuckles will respond? He can't leave this community too lol. Another great episode. You sounded a little stuffy, Phil, hope you are feeling well. This midwest winter has been a bad one for flu.
He will for sure have a response! The stuffiness is the post-holiday portion of the recording - haha! I'm doing alright, but feeling better by the day! So far, no flu... knock on wood!
I love that the city is finally getting their bus service. It's even better to see the usage of same bus stop for multiple routes. It reminds me of how I used to jump from route to route to get to different places very easily.
Absolutely loved the little story you told at the beginning, creating a little lore for your region really makes it feel real! What I don’t love is your bus shelter placement and the very beginning and end of the bus pullouts, (in the uk we call these lay-by’s, did a quick google 😉) the buses stop super weirdly and pull out from the stops weirdly when you place them like that and in terms of realism is not super realistic (I’m a bus driver) 😬😬 I will say I love the tip about adding a node to reduce the size of the pullout, will defo be using this
Thank you for bringing these videos to us it is a privilege to watch you create these builds full of life. One thing I miss though is that you show the newly built neighborhoods from the street level during the city tour. I always liked it when they are a little more slow paced so you can experience the vibe of the neighborhood and discover nice corners where people are enjoying their everyday life. Hope you can bring those back at some point :D
Bus episode! very exciting. In my city (UK) we have a central bus station for inter-city busses and a few bus depots in the edges of the city where bus lines begin and end, though its 5000% the population of Magnolia County. I really enjoy this series, interestingly it increases the enjoyment I get out of the game as well, just like how watching One Proud Bavarian's videos made me enjoy CK3 and V3 in new ways. Paradox's games have incredible potential for emergent gameplay and stories but they're a little more difficult to extract than say Rimworld. Thanks for all the guidance and inspiration!
it seems like the new neighborhoods are still part of Bend proper, so I would think the names should be consistent with that. Maybe Emerson could be Bend Hill, Poplar View could be Bend Fork. The only thing I could think of for Butler End was the somewhat corny 'Round the Bend' 😅 but maybe something less goofy like 'Bend End' would play better
I don't really comment often on video's but the content you make is inspiring. Great visuals, animations, story telling. You see that you take love and care in making your video's. It's even educational! Keep up the amazing work and I always look forward to your next video! 😊
Not great with names, but here goes. Poplar View -> Since we have East Bend, we can maybe have West or Upper Bend. Also maybe name the farms on the other side of the river to West Bend Farms. Butler End -> I'm borrowing View from the top and since it's a literal river bend, this one should be Riverbend View Emerson Glen -> "Short" street runs through this neighborhood, so as a joke the people wanted it to be called "Steep" Valley (Most terrain hiccups happened here). But they wanted to add a bit of irony, so they named it in Dutch - Steile Valley (hopefully translator is correct)... like probably no such thing exist in the Netherlands.
So in my area, the bus depot USED to be along the main street going up into the northern part of the city. Not too far from the center of the city, and actually right near one of the city's cemeteries (the dead can't complain about noise, after all). At that time nearly every route terminated in front of or across from city hall (with the exception of a couple of routes that went to the west side of the city that terminated a couple of blocks away near the city's arena). Then about fifteen years ago the city decided to rehab the deteriorating old train station adjacent to downtown. As part of that, the city got the local taxi companies to have cabs based in front of said station, got Greyhound and Peter Pan to move their bus services from a tiny depot on the edge of downtown to the side of the train station, and got the transit authority to move all bus routes to a central hub next to the train station. As part of it, the old bus depot was torn down and a shopping plaza was built in its place, and a new depot was built in a residential neighborhood next to a park. Womp womp. And to top it off, the only real thing to come of it is that now there's basically no businesses on Main St near city hall, because there's no longer any of the foot traffic from people getting on and off the busses. And no businesses have sprung up near the new transit hub, because they built a big hotel and a big apartment complex across the street from it - with no ground floor commercial space. Because I live in a city that could fuck up a wet dream...
your videos get better every time, great edit, great story, great everything. Thanks Phill for this awesome work. Maybe for you next story, you could make an over seas city. When ther is an UK similar map. A great way to learn about citys in the old continent. It might make you work a lot more, but it would be a learning opotunity and maybe grow you uk audience. sorry for bad english, hello from Mexico.
One of the reason I love this channel is how different you play city builders. My cities tend to look like Doctor Frankenstein was elected to the city council, while this series is basically Phil Gives Himself an Aneurysm.
When you made that straight road by editing the coastline at 9:35 I died a little inside. Let's have more slight bends that respect existing geography!! (Maybe this is the European in me speaking).
Neat! May I suggest turning the triangle at Popular View into a collector couplet shouldered by a mixed-use TOD with the entirety of the triangle itself turned into a giant "park". You know, similar to the one you built in downtown Verde Beach a few years ago, but instead of a train station at the end, it's the waterfront. You could also have a bus shuttle service to connect it to the Bus Station. Excellent work like always, Phil. I was looking forward to the transit episode.
You should rethink the bus stop location when it comes to the "height" they're on on the street. The buses need space behind them for other buses to queue up.
Hey Phil, I haven't actually watched the video yet but I already know it's going to be amazing and I just wanted to say how grateful I am for this series since unfortunately due to the game being so expensive I can't play it myself but at least I get to watch you build these amazing cities😀.
Reminds me of my old friend from highschool, he had moved into our area because in the next county over, the used eminent domain to build a new (and still largely unused) toll highway that, while they didn't get a single cent of settlement money, MASSIVELY impacted their property values and they were forced to downsize. I was pissed FOR THEM when I heard about it years after it had happened, like what a crapchute of a situation for the homeowners.
The rural development of this city is wonderful! I love how you realistically choose farming development in this city, it really makes the development and realism so much more significant. This series is great!! Can’t wait for the next ep
Great video Phil - thanks for the Wednesday treat! I like the idea of naming what's now called 'Butler End' "Dewey Park" or "Dewey Pointe," after Nelson Dewey, the first elected governor of Wisconsin and a pioneer in developing infrastructure in Wisconsin. Toward the end of his life, he moved to Cassville, WI, and was committed to bringing the Union Pacific Railroad to the town, in hopes of the town one day becoming a large city - albeit unsuccessful. Nonetheless, the development of Bend/Magnolia Co. kinda reminds me of his story.
You can change the clear water bus line into day time only service which may lessen the no.of buses required less than 7 and also help save bus resources and money, love to see almost 90% people using bus service, can't imagine a full-on tram, metro service would be.
I'm enjoying the series a lot, but in all honesty what is love the most is how your explanation of the rationale behind the decisions you take show a completely different conception of urbanism and what a town is from what I came to expect. Things other people already mentioned (bus stop controversy, out of town main station) or the way the main arteries remain empty on purpose to ease traffic... I'm really finding it all fascinating.
One thing planners would tell me when I was doing plants for subdivisions was to not have intersections close to round-a-bouts. It made it difficult to get out if there was cueing, and there was a higher possibility of accidents. As for a name, I would suggest 'Fair Hills' as it was the name of the farm my family had to sell after being in the family for over 100 years, but I don't see many hills developed.
Vermont Creek - Pickerel. The Pickerel plant is a purple plant that grows along water sources like rivers and serves as a nectar source and home for many beneficial insect species. It also offers exceptional habitat for both adult and juvenile fish. Its robust leaves and underground stems also play a key role in shoreline stabilization and help buffer wave action. You could say the residents or developers noticed these plants growing in the area, saw their importance to the location and decided it was an appropriate name for the neighborhood.
I stumbled upon this and I'm really enjoying this series. I've never played City Skylines but watching you sculpt & plan this city has been amazing to watch. Thanks for creating this, I'm looking forward to the next episode.
I can imagine maybe there was a fur trader named, let’s says, Nathaniel Short, that would camp on the point of the river bend currently called butler end. Short street isn’t named short because of the length, but for Nathaniel Short. Maybe butler end could called Short Point or Shorts Ferry or something like that.
Phil - I don't know what your experience is like with transit planning, but as an advocate in this field, I am quite impressed by Bend's transit system! You've laid out a cohesive network for the region while focusing on reducing deviations and prioritizing the needs of riders well. I'd have to slightly disagree with one of your takes on the Copper Valley route, as I'd expect a little bit of extra deviations to more directly serve workplaces, especially in a more isolated area. If I had to be honest, Bend's small system is actually much better than some of the real-life systems that I have come across in my work in the advocacy realm, so great job!
I got my start in transit planning and have been directly involved to adjacent to it for most of my career. I appreciate the kind words and the work that you're doing in the advocacy world! Keep up the good fight!
CPP, I really enjoy watching you build your cities! I didn't find you until recently with the release of CS2, and I wish I had found you a few years ago! I have been watching your old content and I am really enjoying all the 5P1C series, and Clearwater County is especially good! I LOVE all your backstories and listening to you talk and explain what you're doing! I am looking forward to seeing how this CS2 series progresses over the years! Keep up your excellent work and thank you for all the great entertainment! And always remember "pipes go under streets, where they belong!" You should make that into a coffee cup! I have always put my pipes under streets going all the way back to SimCity 3 and 4 Rush Hour!
I have a bus stop at the end of my driveway, but I also live in the downtown area of Colorado Springs. I love it; granted, the homeless makes it a little unsettling, but I manage. The most annoying (but rare) thing about having a bus stop at the end of my driveway is if a bus breaks down.… Made me 30 minutes late to work, boss didn't believe me until I sent photos.
Something very special you could to is figuring out common tree communities in that area and make distinct forrests with different mixtures of trees (tree communities) based on ground resources. For example: On dry sandy soil here in east germany you mostly find pine and birch woods. They consist mostly of pine but in ditches and the edges of forrests you can find birch. And this will be different for clay rich soil or with more water availibility or less. Close to rivers or in the mountains. Makes the landscape way more distinct and realistic.
Great stuff as always CPP, I would suggest Ox Bow Lake as one of the names for the new neighbourhoods, its one of the geography lessons I always remember when learning about how rivers work
Love the series! I've been a longtime fan and just realized that we are both CU Buff and CU Denver alum's, very cool. Personally, I think you should cut a tunnel through the ridge at the edge of the new section of Bend, over to the industrial park where the dump used to be. With all the hills, ridges, and rivers in this map you could really make it look very similar to Pittsburgh, PA. Thanks for the vids!
As a motorist, I actually appreciate signalized crosswalks. Especially at night, it can be hard to see if a pedestrian is wanting to cross until you are at the crosswalk. I've also noticed that pedestrians like to hang out near crosswalks, but not actually cross for some reason. The signals make it clear that it is time to yield, and the pedestrian isn't just absent mindedly wandering around while on their phone.
22:44 I find this very funny, commuting around Madison there are a bunch of bus stops that are a wooden post with a "bus stop" sign zip tied on. No concrete pad, you just get dropped off in a damp patch of grass on the side of the road. The funny thing is that those sorts of stops are often near developed areas, the one in particular i'm thinking of was near a mall...
My suggestion for Emerson Glen would be "Oxmoor". It's on a river and used to be undeveloped, so we could easily add into the lore that it used to be much marshier before some of the extra earth from various grading/terraforming was used to build it up, and maybe it also used to be a hunting/fishing destination. I like "Oxmoor" specifically because it's on what is now some pretty desirable land, so it could easily be built up as a more affluent neighborhood in the future, and "Oxmoor" just sounds fancy.
Every time I see a new MC video, I know I’m about to be entertained by the perfect combination of an interesting story, creative gameplay, and of course our amazing city planner. Keep up the great work!
Hey, City Planner, great video as always here’s some of my suggestions for the neighborhoods, townships and the streets. Neighborhoods: Meanderly, Knees, Oxbow, Bar, Riverside, Burnview, Currentgate, New Blackwater, Channelway, West Bend, Waterstreat, Billaborough, Baerbie, Babinetwich, Banktun, Scrolldon, Cutbank, Flowworth, Fluvia and Lalandia. Townships: Orchardington, Plantarfields, Seedlington, Sweet Apple, Dairyton, Cowtown, Acresville, Bunyan, Brerham, Bondton, Hooverville and Ploughburgh. Streets: Meanderly, Knees, Oxbow, Cutbank, Bar, Mat, Pat, Steph, Ollie, Theorists, Burnview, Currentgate, Channelway, Dasher, Pinkerton, Rare, Omni, Hancock, Gurney, Viktoria, Searle, Frederic, Jacobsen, March, Twilight, Apple, Flutter, Bertie, Bulgy and Bruck.
This is turning out awesome. The feeling of the place you are drawing inspiration from shows in the county. I wish the north American low density housing felt a bit different. Seeing so many modular and homes on platforms with sloped roofs feels out of place for the midwest. I wish we got more craftsmen/bungalow and ranch homes. They also need basements or crawlspaces to get water below the frost level! My naming recommendation is for Vermont Creek to be named with inspiration from my hometown and the area it resembles, Hodag Hollow. This area seems like the area in the town once known as the "Hungry Hollow" near the rail station where multiple rail lines met.
Where I live (Norwich, UK) we have bus routes that start at an extremity then pass through the centre of the city towards an opposite extremity. The buses share the last roads in to the centre, 2 main central bus stop locations then share the road out of the city. They then split to service various suburbs but the arterials probably share near 40-50% of routes. If you live on one of these shared routes, you're getting a bus every 7-10 minutes!
I love the backstory and everything that goes into this series. Really invests you in the county’s growth
Thank you so much, William!!
@@CityPlannerPlays it really does make your videos so much fun. Especially since it gives it a more realistic feel.
@@mmussioyeah it also makes it unique
My name suggestion for Poplar View is Short End since it's where Short Street finally ends 😂
I think this is awesome.
Isn't there a position called "Short Stop" in Sportsball? Maybe name it that?
@@QemeH lmao i love that you called it sportsball instead of baseball 😂
@@gamerz8459 I didn't know which of the big four of the US it was, so...
As someone whose graphic cards died recently and is currently unable to play the game, I'm living vicariously through this series lol keep it coming!
As someone who is waiting for this game to come out on console, same
Rip to your valiant gpu ☠️
We've been there. What GPU are looking at getting now?
as someone whose computer can’t handle the game, take my advice and visit an internet cafe
@@scheballs7 I'm keeping an eye on the RTX 4070 super, see how the actual prices will be.
It's so weird hearing that bus stops in front of someones house being controversial. Here in Germany it's the most common bus stop 😅
Fr, my bus stop got moved down the street because tOo mAnY bUsEs (2 school buses and an hourly service)
They can be wildly controversial. Not too long ago, someone complained to every news outlet in town that a stop was going in by their house and would "take" their property while "forcing" them to have sidewalks installed. This was a stop added within the right-of-way, along with sidewalks installed within the right-of-way, too.
That's just one example, but there are many more... maybe a good topic for a stream!
@@CityPlannerPlaysWas he American?
@@sergioviana2946Obviously.
@@sergioviana2946 since CityPlannerPlays is american, the story is probably from the usa
I feel that Butler End should be called Cannon Point because it was the location of a small Army Fort during the 1800's that was designed to protect against hostile forces sailing up the river unopposed
id spin this and say independence point would be an interesting name!
Or something like Fort Riverside.
Old Fort Bend?
29:20 I feel like it would be better to have the Free Bend-University route stopping at the back entrance to the High School and the €2 Bend - Copper Valley route running through the areas north of the main avenue since that would be significant barrier if you were walking.
It would be beneficial for both the high-schoolers, for the Bend-Copper Valley route itself (Wouldn’t mirror the Bend-University route as much as well as serve areas that currently have pretty bad access to transit, making it more profitable) and for the transit coverage in the city.
I found it really interesting when you talked about how people are against having bus stops nearby. I live around a more rural area in Hong Kong, and although this is anecdotal, I find that a lot of us actually want bus stops near our homes. We have these small 16-19 seater "minibuses" that service the smaller rural areas, and people often celebrate new routes opening.
In America, you'll often find that people in more rural or suburban areas oppose transit because they think it will increase crime somehow.
In America, pretty much everyone already has cars and hasn't really thought about using anything else. So buses don't seem necessary and appear to only bring negatives to the community.
If you have to use the bus you must be poor. If you are poor you obviously must be a criminal. I think that's the thinking.
It's about density. If you're in a rural area with single family homes. You wouldn't want strangers hanging out, loading, and offloading in front of or near your home. Not to mention vehicle (or other) noise it brings.
Entry into higher density condos/ apartments is typically locked to residents only or have some form of security.
Most people want bus stops nearby, they just don't want them right in their front yard. You want it to be a quick, short walk but you don't want to deal with dozens of strangers hanging out in your yard or on your property.
Hey Phil, remember to check the ground pollution at the old industrial site!
Currently recording the next one and will at the end! Thank you for the reminder!
@@CityPlannerPlays I did some testing. It does go away over time but it takes an extremely long time. I made a post about it on the discord.
I wish the schools would have a placeable upgrade for a school bus route, I think that would be a really cool addition to the game.
omg and a school bus depot building
This is a really good idea. It would also let you not have to put schools in every small town. Like in real life, they could bus to a farther away school
This was a feature of Sim City (2013) I really enjoyed.
I think there could be a level of "east vs west". Naming the new area East or West Bend and having a competing school districts at some point, could be an interesting story moment.
It would feel very similar to an area not far from my home suburb, where we had two high schools named east and west.
where i went to highschool a nearby town had north side and south side, they absolutely hated each other which i didnt get because some of those guys lived in the same neighborhood
This is so typical of most small towns and I think it would add so much lore to the downtown Bend area!
Less so for elementary, but as soon as there's a second High School-- you bet there'll be a rivalry and Friday nights in fall will become a big thing!
Yeah, it's the kind of boringly unimaginative name that occurs everywhere. I mean, I live in NZ, where the major parts of the country are the North Island and the South Island.
The one highschool in Bend already has a stadium for the small town rivalry games!
In my experience one side always gets the better budget and ends up with better equipment, coaches and stuff, and usually ends up dominating the game. Doesn't stop the parents from cheering super loud though!
Since Bend is a pretty college-focused town at the moment, I’m gonna offer some suggestions that the university itself might request:
A smaller lower intensity bus route or something to get around campus could be cool especially if you have plans for expanding the campus in future (which would be cool to see btw).
Also, sure to also put a bus stop closer to the university dorms for the student’s sake. Even a short walk from the school to the bus can really suck if you’re carrying a big suitcase or something (lots of students will be doing this when they go home/travel for thanksgiving, winter & spring break, and long weekends), and students are definitely going to utilize that luxury if you provide it.
Another thing is that to keep the bus depot outside of residential areas but close to areas of high use, you could move the bus depot near the university. The school might’ve even sold the city the land for the bus depot at a below market price to keep startup costs down.
Love the videos by the way! They’ve rekindled my love for cities skylines (though I’m too broke to get myself cities skylines 2 atm)
Here in Brazil, not all bus stops are symmetrical. This means that on the way back of the loop line, you can pass through other locations. It's interesting to see the differences.
Additionally, some cities here have something that we call a "Integrated Terminal", where we have buses and the subway on the same terminal, so you can pay one ticket to use both services.
Same in Spain
I think that's more of an European development strategy. The city I grew up in had many places like that where buses, trams, and the subway all shared one terminal and people could buy transit tickets that covered all of them.
Absolutely. But it’s hard to make integrated terminals in CS2 because the bus terminals are just too dang small. You can’t do anything with only 6 spaces, and there’s no way to make a joined metro/bus terminal without just imagining it’s one thing. Maybe a DLC later, like the one in CS1
This episode is really confusing to me as an Australian, because I can't comprehend having a central bus station so far out of the city - here it just wouldn't happen, or would be viewed as an expensive boondoggle.
I grew up in India, and agree with that 100%. Now living in the US and seeing where my city has built its largest bus station, however, this location in the video makes sense (as sad as that is)
Yeah, at least in my city, all three of its bus stations are near the Ring Roads (arterials) of my city.
One thing to consider is that the city is still growing, and the location it's in will continue to be more and more central as things expand and density increases. What doesn't make sense is that there's no connection into the urban area from the west at the moment. I'm sure CPP has plans to de-cul-de-sac the office area where the landfill used to be at some point, and it will end up being a bit more logical.
Bring in the FIFO regional airport
As someone living in a city in the US, our central bus hub is in downtown so seeing it outside of downtown is weird to me.
Edit: it's also weird seeing the bus stops be directly across from each other when they're at intersections. Where I'm from when there are two across from each other at an intersection each bus stop will be behind the traffic light/stop sign.
From my experience, bus depots tend to actually be in very crowded areas. Like right in the middle of everything as they’re usually apart of the main bus hub, which is usually in the very middle or most populated/busiest part of a town/city.
Town I lived in it used to be dead centre in the middle of town where the old fire station used to be, but was later moved to be behind the train station when rail and bus companies started working more closely together. (When trains aren’t running buses will go point to point to train stations without stopping and it’s free.)
The main city in my area has the bus hub and depot in the main heart of the city. Surrounded by pedestrian shopping plaza area and the university and college as well as lots of densely packed townhouses and apartments.
You might want to nudge over some of the bus stop signs, when you planned the opposite direction, you didn’t leave any queuing space.
I wonder if the municipal government could get buy-in from Chuckles if they contract his cabs for specialized transit such as para transpo. He gets guaranteed fares and folks with special needs have access to affordable transportation.
chuckles for good!
Great idea!
I think the main but-in would be NOT stealing from hard-working citizens to create a service that not everyone uses. It should be, if you use it, you pay for it. You use roads? Gas tax and tolls cover road maintenance. You use the bus? Pay for the bus. But people being forced at gunpoint to give up MORE of their hard earned money to pay for other people's desire to ride a smelly fart box with 50 people is something that Chuckles the Great does not agree with.
Love how City Planner Plays’ series basically have their own cinematic universe at this point. The stories make it so interesting to watch, it’s like watching a history documentary
2 things id like to mention to add realism and cohesion to the busses:
1. You wouldn't have bi-directional bus service at the end of a route, like the roundabout in the university. Instead you'd have the bus go around the roundabout and stop at the singular stop. this means the bus doesn't need to stop as often when it doesn't need to.
2. Often times the 2 stops are not directly next to each other on the road, instead they're staggered. This keeps the spacings on the road much nicer (the game does that instead by adding the bus lanes down the road, but still, even in some cases that a road has that lane, the stops are not that close)
For the neighborhood currently called Butler End, I propose the name Meander View, or maybe just Meander. It sits right on a tight meander of the river, and the houses there would have a really nice view. The walking trails around would make for a great park that could be named after the meander of the river as well.
your videos never fail to be both soothing and very interesting 🙏 thank you for the upload
Thank you so much!!
CPP: I don't want to go crazy with landscaping, I'll just prepare a few areas to focus on.
Also CPP: Goes ham with lines of trees and bushes.
To be clear I think it all looks awesome, just something that made me chuckle.
Phil has got me making stories for my own cities. Right now I’ve got a university president fighting against the diocese priest of the town.
What are they fighting about?
@@alexanderwells4516 The priest probably doesn't want the kids to go get an education but to be in humble service for the church. 🫠
@@alexanderwells4516 The town of Greenmoor, long removed from its simple farming days, has seen the university become the town’s main employer. Whereas many of its population are open to the ideas and new opportunities being afforded to them, Bishop Alphus clings to the old ways and old laws that built up Greenmoor into what it is today, and due to the town’s outdated code of laws, the Catholic leaders still hold power. But newer generations are coming into the town to the university and times are quickly changing.
The current point of contention is after the opening of the Greenmoor Medical Research Institute, a statement of the art facility dedicated to the research of medicine and health sciences. Bishop Alphus protested greatly, using the local population to strengthen his position and using connections in the local government to delay the opening, but failed. With the new research facility, there are many skilled job openings in the area as well as medical professionals moving to the city, current University of Greenmoor President, Alexandria Jimenez, puts forward a notion to the city council to obtain a building permit to add on a Medical School to the university, but seeing his power already waning after he failed to stop the research facility, Bishop Alphus invoked the outdated code of laws to strike down her proposal.
Voters are currently split into many divisions as much of the population, including some of the Catholic, see Bishop Alphus as someone clinging to tradition and abusing his power.
As such, Jimenez has announced her support for Andrei Spaseba, a prominent business man in his run for mayor, on the condition that he promise to undo the old laws that give the power to the diocese, which he does in his campaign speeches. In a last ditch effort to keep Greenmoor on the right path, Bishop Alphus gives his support to a very conservative candidate in opposition to Spaseba.
And for now my friend, all we can do is wait for the voters to choose the future of Greenmoor.
Aye, tell us more, dish!
@@Asteroidaceae I Did. UA-cam apparently swallowed it up. It says three replies up there.
I don't get how you turn such a vanilla game right now into this...as of right now everyone under the sun is building cities. But you, and the story, makes this a entirely different game. Absolutely love the vid cpp amazing job as always.
In light of the addition of hickory trees, along with the four-way crossing being the focal point of the neighborhood, Emerson Glen could be named "Hickory Crossing"
Has a bit of a ring to it :)
Just before watching this, I have to say it’s not so much the city building that I love(although that is a major aspect) I really engage with the story telling side of the city building as this is how I and Iam guessing many others play this game.
I just was thinking about if the new episode has been released and here it is! Thank you for your awesome work! ❤
Thank you!!
Ah, victory. I love seeing the way that a transit auth can be created and slowly develop over time - looking forward to what happens with it in the future!
I chuckled when you were talking about rural bus stops requiring a touch of "urbanization" like sidewalks, because where I'm from if the village doesn't have a full-on bus station then the bus stop is quite often just a shelter literally off the side of the highway, and you're (probably) expected to leg it there however many kilometers. Luckily never had to do that myself... one can hope those are just remains of the old transit system
Recently went back to the rural area that I left for the city, and felt a pang of nostalgia when I ended up waiting at an ivy-overgrown, concrete-walled bus shelter, with a collapsed roof, on the side of a disused A-Road with no idea whether my connection would be turning up in an hour
Absolutely love the videos ! I also love the American view of planning bus routes, as a French person. Here in France, in most urban or suburban areas, most busses are local, which mean they only serve a single neighbourhood and connect to a mass transit system, wether that be train, metro or trams. There are still lines that go from one town to another, but they're more "express" busses, and used only in more rural areas, where there is no mass transit coverage.
Hi Phil, when I was in Hawaii I found it strange that none of the busses heading towards a bus station. The bus would go through Waikiki but there was no Waikiki Bus Station for passangers to depart and embark on new bus journeys. The closest to this was the senate building, with bus stops spread far around the complex.
Every bus I've ever been on in the UK begins and ends at a city centre bus station. For me this is super conveninent, as if I'm going from Village A to Town C, I always know I can connect at B, the end of A line's city centre bus station, and most of my journeys are typically straight to the city centre anyway. They have also been very near, or even incorperated directly into, the other transportation services or hubs in the city, such as train stations or metro lines. It would never occur to me to get off a bus at a random stop to connect to another bus line as I experienced in Hawaii, nor that the bus station would be on the other side of the city to the train station, as is the case in Bend.
I wanted to ask if what I experienced in Hawaii is typical for bus services in the US, if you are modeling based on this system with your bus station so far from your pre-existing downtown development and train station, and what the benifits of such a system are. I hope this post comes off as eager to gleam insight and not critical. I want to learn from Mr City Planner.
Sorry for the long post. I really tried to shorten it :)
I can help with parts of this. The US is a huge place. The situation in Hawaii tells you nothing about the situation in Houston which tells you nothing about NYC.
I live in Harrisburg - which is a mid-size town in the middle-ish of Pennsylvania. When I visit Philadelphia - which is a 1.5 hour drive away - I drive there and use my car exclusively despite the fact that Harrisburg actually has relatively okay train service to Philly. Same story with Baltimore (1.5 hours) and Pittsburgh (3.5 hours) - but when I visit NYC I will take the train almost every time. Harrisburg to NYC by train will put me right in the heart of Manhattan and the NYC subway system is good.
Pittsburgh isn't exactly a great transit city but it does have a usable light rail system that interfaces with bus routes.
Hawaii is building an elevated rail system that will eventually connect the densely populated west end to the airport and through Honolulu almost to Waikiki, so that's going to improve eventually.
I can't speak to the US, but in my city (Auckland, NZ), bus stations are historically rare, but becoming more common as the public transport network evolves. 20 years ago, I had a long commute on a bus that connected distant suburbs (no stations) to the city center (which is and was the major hub, connecting to rail and ferry networks). I don't live out that way anymore, but if I did, the trip would now involve a bus terminating at a new-ish rail/bus interchange about halfway to the city, then either a train or a second bus to my office.
And that's been fairly typical of how the local networks have evolved... a greater emphasis on having those satellite hubs located around the main road and rail routes, and using suburban bus links to feed traffic between those hubs. Previously, it was very centralised... great if you just wanted to get into the city center, but almost useless for travelling cross-town. And what cross-connections existed generally weren't anything recognisably a "station"... it was mostly at somewhere like a shopping mall, or the main street of one of the suburban towns.
I didn't notice one fire today!! Keep up the good work!
Love how you can really make the build spread across the map in a natural and realistic looking way.
Im so happy to finally see someone do a realistic bus route! Everyone ells sets up a loop with 2 lines going each way and Ive told them that aint the way its done but finally someone done it!! Make me so happy!
Loving the series! Just a little heads up if you didn't see it, the entrance to the roundabout at 51:05 looks a little bit wonky.
Lots of changes coming there in the next one, so I'll double check!
In the context of Traffic Optimization/Engineering (if you are aiming for "realism"/real-world), the objective is to reduce private vehicle traffic(with public transit), therefore, the bus/route speeds (or Time Duration Spent) need to be approximately equal to or less than(via BRT) that of personal vehicles. This entails, among other factors, strategically placing bus stops, with a preference for "Near-side" locations situated alongside crosswalks and positioned "Downstream" from the preceding intersection(assuming no BRT).
When this strategic placement is implemented, the impact of buses on overall traffic AND the impact on the bus route speed produced by passengers embarking and disembarking is minimized. For instance, when a bus is stationary at a red light, it makes sense to allow passenger loading and unloading since it has minimal impact to the bus route speed/performance (1 unavoidable stop). This is more efficient compared to holding off on passenger activities while the light is red, only to traverse the intersection when it turns green and then promptly stop at the other side of the intersection to load/unload passengers (1 unavoidable stop + 1 avoidable stop = 2 stops).
References/Sources:
- Traffic and Route Optimization Experience(aka part of my job)
- Long research paper: journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1687814019848272
- Diagram example, Page 9, Figure 4: nacto.org/docs/usdg/septa_bus_stop_design_guidelines_delaware_valley.pdf
Providing more depth to @jacoblienhardt earlier comment
TLDR: Optimal bus stop placement involves positioning stops just before intersections, at/ just before the crosswalks, and diagonally across the intersection(or crosswalk/path) from each other for bi-directional routes.
Sidenote: for a more optimal game play Drop the road node BEFORE dropping the bus stop.
Edits:
1) Added Sidenote
2) Spelling/Grammer/Clarity
Seeing this city grow makes me happy, hope this continues on with more plot and excitement
Since you have a route out to Copper Valley, you could potentially have a secondary bus depot out there or near the railway that would serve that route without dead-heading. Not realistic or feasible yet with the low usage for that route, but something to consider.
I grew up and went to college in rural/rural adjacent areas and it is very common to have homes along roads that farms are next to, especially with any amount of density nearby.
🚴♀ Your storytelling makes your channel stand out from other city builders. Really love the way you use your city to tell a compelling story! Keep up the awesome cities!
Hi ! I grew up in south of France near the river Rhône, in a little village call Fourques. The name is due to the river separate into a Y at this place. Fourques is a evolution of the old french name Fourco which come from the word fourche, litterally fork in english if you don't guessed it already 😁. I think Poplar View have kind of the same feature and made me think of this. Keep on your series, I watch them for few years now and love your city planner point of view. Have a nice year !!!
Transit episodes are the best:)
remember with rush hours andpeak directions 50% utilisation often means people passed up in peak direction and very quite buses in the off-peak direction.
I think Cherry Brooks name should be Mineral Hills, and the streets inside of it should be different minerals that are common in the Upper Peninsula
You’re such a skilled creator. I always have your videos playing while I work from home. They’re so soothing and therapeutic. And I love Magnolia County! ❤
I think you should name Vermont Creek "Riverbend Junction" because of the train station overlooking the river :)
Thanks for the episode! For the intercity lines, having one line per outside connection that just zips back and forth between the connection and the bus station seems like the best use of city resources. It does not seem beneficial for Magnolia County to be paying for buses to transport people between Clearwater County and Duluth as you would have originally had it set up. :)
Magnolia County Transit Authority looks great!
The lowered peninsula park should likely be a historical site, perhaps a small former native settlement that couldn't sustain due to being right on a floodplain.
Decades later, some Dutch immigrants discovered the area while passing through and named the region where Bend now exists Flodslette. Obviously they didn't stick around and settle there, probably ended up somewhere in Minnesota, but it was remarkable enough that they decided to give it a name.
You could put some ruins and quay walls around that park as a historical rejuvenation project, and have Flodslette Peninsula be a major tourist attraction in the city.
I can't think of a Dutch root that would lead to the name Flodslette (flood = vloed or overstroming; and the -ette diminutive is French, not Dutch).
With the backstory you mention, where it floods regularly at high water levels, it wouldn't be a permanent historical settlement, but something like a summer camp: easy access to fishing the river in summer, and lush summer pastures for herds, but in winter they'd retreat to a more sturdy winter camp safe from floods.
So calling it 'summer camp' would probably make more sense than any of the possible Dutch terms full of unusual dipthongs like 'uiterwaarden', 'buitendijkse gronden', 'broek' etc.
🚲 (Engagement!)
[Edit: Wait... did you say BUS STOPS are a NIMBY concern in the US? Holy cow, you guys really hate anything that isn't your own metal box, don't ya? Meanwhile my city consideres 5 minutes the _maximum_ any citizen should have to walk to a transit stop. Obviously that brings busses through neighborhoods, but since an electric bus is way, waaaay less loud than the equivalent amount of single-occupant cars, I have never heard of that being an issue. Like, at all...]
[Edit 2: I think Vermont Creek would most likely be named "Railhead" or "Clearwater Depot" or something as it was build on the grounds of the old depot you initially placed there. Or you could go the New York route with it and call it "South Side Yard", which citizens would then take to call SoSiYa - pronounced "So say ya!"]
I just realized that I listen to civil engineering ASMR during my commute... and it's great!
City Planner Plans Certain Pedestrian Perfection Citing Potential Profits Chuckles Predictably Protests Conversion Proceeds Promptly
I lament that such a big development didn’t get any story reasoning. But it is good that you continued the canon of Chuckles taxi service.
Anyway thanks for the content. ❤❤❤
I wonder how Chuckles will respond? He can't leave this community too lol. Another great episode. You sounded a little stuffy, Phil, hope you are feeling well. This midwest winter has been a bad one for flu.
He will for sure have a response! The stuffiness is the post-holiday portion of the recording - haha! I'm doing alright, but feeling better by the day! So far, no flu... knock on wood!
Who do you think has been starting the fires? 😮
@@MontanaMike406 😯😯😯
I love that the city is finally getting their bus service. It's even better to see the usage of same bus stop for multiple routes. It reminds me of how I used to jump from route to route to get to different places very easily.
East Bend looks like it's missing houses on one side of the road next to Lake Inferior. Love this Series :)
Remember the maxim "It it is bad for Chuckles, it is good for Superior"
I randomly stumbled upon this channel a month ago. Now I’m so invested in this town. I love it. You’re an awesome creator and thanks for the content.
Absolutely loved the little story you told at the beginning, creating a little lore for your region really makes it feel real! What I don’t love is your bus shelter placement and the very beginning and end of the bus pullouts, (in the uk we call these lay-by’s, did a quick google 😉) the buses stop super weirdly and pull out from the stops weirdly when you place them like that and in terms of realism is not super realistic (I’m a bus driver) 😬😬 I will say I love the tip about adding a node to reduce the size of the pullout, will defo be using this
Thank you for bringing these videos to us it is a privilege to watch you create these builds full of life. One thing I miss though is that you show the newly built neighborhoods from the street level during the city tour. I always liked it when they are a little more slow paced so you can experience the vibe of the neighborhood and discover nice corners where people are enjoying their everyday life. Hope you can bring those back at some point :D
Bus episode! very exciting. In my city (UK) we have a central bus station for inter-city busses and a few bus depots in the edges of the city where bus lines begin and end, though its 5000% the population of Magnolia County.
I really enjoy this series, interestingly it increases the enjoyment I get out of the game as well, just like how watching One Proud Bavarian's videos made me enjoy CK3 and V3 in new ways. Paradox's games have incredible potential for emergent gameplay and stories but they're a little more difficult to extract than say Rimworld. Thanks for all the guidance and inspiration!
it seems like the new neighborhoods are still part of Bend proper, so I would think the names should be consistent with that. Maybe Emerson could be Bend Hill, Poplar View could be Bend Fork. The only thing I could think of for Butler End was the somewhat corny 'Round the Bend' 😅 but maybe something less goofy like 'Bend End' would play better
I don't really comment often on video's but the content you make is inspiring. Great visuals, animations, story telling. You see that you take love and care in making your video's. It's even educational! Keep up the amazing work and I always look forward to your next video! 😊
Not great with names, but here goes.
Poplar View -> Since we have East Bend, we can maybe have West or Upper Bend. Also maybe name the farms on the other side of the river to West Bend Farms.
Butler End -> I'm borrowing View from the top and since it's a literal river bend, this one should be Riverbend View
Emerson Glen -> "Short" street runs through this neighborhood, so as a joke the people wanted it to be called "Steep" Valley (Most terrain hiccups happened here). But they wanted to add a bit of irony, so they named it in Dutch - Steile Valley (hopefully translator is correct)... like probably no such thing exist in the Netherlands.
So in my area, the bus depot USED to be along the main street going up into the northern part of the city. Not too far from the center of the city, and actually right near one of the city's cemeteries (the dead can't complain about noise, after all). At that time nearly every route terminated in front of or across from city hall (with the exception of a couple of routes that went to the west side of the city that terminated a couple of blocks away near the city's arena). Then about fifteen years ago the city decided to rehab the deteriorating old train station adjacent to downtown. As part of that, the city got the local taxi companies to have cabs based in front of said station, got Greyhound and Peter Pan to move their bus services from a tiny depot on the edge of downtown to the side of the train station, and got the transit authority to move all bus routes to a central hub next to the train station. As part of it, the old bus depot was torn down and a shopping plaza was built in its place, and a new depot was built in a residential neighborhood next to a park.
Womp womp.
And to top it off, the only real thing to come of it is that now there's basically no businesses on Main St near city hall, because there's no longer any of the foot traffic from people getting on and off the busses. And no businesses have sprung up near the new transit hub, because they built a big hotel and a big apartment complex across the street from it - with no ground floor commercial space.
Because I live in a city that could fuck up a wet dream...
I've watched your videos for a year now, and i still think you are a magician. Love your contents!
Gosh.......was waiting for public transport to be introduced.......✌️✌️
your videos get better every time, great edit, great story, great everything. Thanks Phill for this awesome work. Maybe for you next story, you could make an over seas city. When ther is an UK similar map. A great way to learn about citys in the old continent. It might make you work a lot more, but it would be a learning opotunity and maybe grow you uk audience. sorry for bad english, hello from Mexico.
One of the reason I love this channel is how different you play city builders. My cities tend to look like Doctor Frankenstein was elected to the city council, while this series is basically Phil Gives Himself an Aneurysm.
When you made that straight road by editing the coastline at 9:35 I died a little inside. Let's have more slight bends that respect existing geography!! (Maybe this is the European in me speaking).
Neat!
May I suggest turning the triangle at Popular View into a collector couplet shouldered by a mixed-use TOD with the entirety of the triangle itself turned into a giant "park". You know, similar to the one you built in downtown Verde Beach a few years ago, but instead of a train station at the end, it's the waterfront.
You could also have a bus shuttle service to connect it to the Bus Station.
Excellent work like always, Phil. I was looking forward to the transit episode.
Fantastic episode. Really enjoying Magnolia County. Stellar work as always!
yes i agree am not.
You should rethink the bus stop location when it comes to the "height" they're on on the street. The buses need space behind them for other buses to queue up.
You posting is the only thing that gets me out of bed before 9am!! Great video Phil, thanks for always inspiring. Hello from Canada 🇨🇦
Hey Phil, I haven't actually watched the video yet but I already know it's going to be amazing and I just wanted to say how grateful I am for this series since unfortunately due to the game being so expensive I can't play it myself but at least I get to watch you build these amazing cities😀.
Reminds me of my old friend from highschool, he had moved into our area because in the next county over, the used eminent domain to build a new (and still largely unused) toll highway that, while they didn't get a single cent of settlement money, MASSIVELY impacted their property values and they were forced to downsize. I was pissed FOR THEM when I heard about it years after it had happened, like what a crapchute of a situation for the homeowners.
The rural development of this city is wonderful! I love how you realistically choose farming development in this city, it really makes the development and realism so much more significant. This series is great!! Can’t wait for the next ep
Great video Phil - thanks for the Wednesday treat! I like the idea of naming what's now called 'Butler End' "Dewey Park" or "Dewey Pointe," after Nelson Dewey, the first elected governor of Wisconsin and a pioneer in developing infrastructure in Wisconsin. Toward the end of his life, he moved to Cassville, WI, and was committed to bringing the Union Pacific Railroad to the town, in hopes of the town one day becoming a large city - albeit unsuccessful. Nonetheless, the development of Bend/Magnolia Co. kinda reminds me of his story.
You can change the clear water bus line into day time only service which may lessen the no.of buses required less than 7 and also help save bus resources and money, love to see almost 90% people using bus service, can't imagine a full-on tram, metro service would be.
I'm enjoying the series a lot, but in all honesty what is love the most is how your explanation of the rationale behind the decisions you take show a completely different conception of urbanism and what a town is from what I came to expect. Things other people already mentioned (bus stop controversy, out of town main station) or the way the main arteries remain empty on purpose to ease traffic... I'm really finding it all fascinating.
One thing planners would tell me when I was doing plants for subdivisions was to not have intersections close to round-a-bouts. It made it difficult to get out if there was cueing, and there was a higher possibility of accidents. As for a name, I would suggest 'Fair Hills' as it was the name of the farm my family had to sell after being in the family for over 100 years, but I don't see many hills developed.
Vermont Creek - Pickerel. The Pickerel plant is a purple plant that grows along water sources like rivers and serves as a nectar source and home for many beneficial insect species. It also offers exceptional habitat for both adult and juvenile fish. Its robust leaves and underground stems also play a key role in shoreline stabilization and help buffer wave action. You could say the residents or developers noticed these plants growing in the area, saw their importance to the location and decided it was an appropriate name for the neighborhood.
I stumbled upon this and I'm really enjoying this series. I've never played City Skylines but watching you sculpt & plan this city has been amazing to watch. Thanks for creating this, I'm looking forward to the next episode.
I can imagine maybe there was a fur trader named, let’s says, Nathaniel Short, that would camp on the point of the river bend currently called butler end. Short street isn’t named short because of the length, but for Nathaniel Short. Maybe butler end could called Short Point or Shorts Ferry or something like that.
Omggggg I just read the comments and saw @QemeH suggested “short stop”. What about Short’s Stop? Lmao
I’m noticed that you dont use the mixed use zones. You were so excited about it!
Phil - I don't know what your experience is like with transit planning, but as an advocate in this field, I am quite impressed by Bend's transit system! You've laid out a cohesive network for the region while focusing on reducing deviations and prioritizing the needs of riders well.
I'd have to slightly disagree with one of your takes on the Copper Valley route, as I'd expect a little bit of extra deviations to more directly serve workplaces, especially in a more isolated area.
If I had to be honest, Bend's small system is actually much better than some of the real-life systems that I have come across in my work in the advocacy realm, so great job!
I got my start in transit planning and have been directly involved to adjacent to it for most of my career. I appreciate the kind words and the work that you're doing in the advocacy world! Keep up the good fight!
CPP, I really enjoy watching you build your cities! I didn't find you until recently with the release of CS2, and I wish I had found you a few years ago! I have been watching your old content and I am really enjoying all the 5P1C series, and Clearwater County is especially good! I LOVE all your backstories and listening to you talk and explain what you're doing! I am looking forward to seeing how this CS2 series progresses over the years! Keep up your excellent work and thank you for all the great entertainment!
And always remember "pipes go under streets, where they belong!" You should make that into a coffee cup! I have always put my pipes under streets going all the way back to SimCity 3 and 4 Rush Hour!
Row homes placed fronting a road sloping up/down terrain results in that nice stepping look you see in San Francisco's residential neighborhoods.
I have a bus stop at the end of my driveway, but I also live in the downtown area of Colorado Springs. I love it; granted, the homeless makes it a little unsettling, but I manage. The most annoying (but rare) thing about having a bus stop at the end of my driveway is if a bus breaks down.… Made me 30 minutes late to work, boss didn't believe me until I sent photos.
Something very special you could to is figuring out common tree communities in that area and make distinct forrests with different mixtures of trees (tree communities) based on ground resources. For example: On dry sandy soil here in east germany you mostly find pine and birch woods. They consist mostly of pine but in ditches and the edges of forrests you can find birch. And this will be different for clay rich soil or with more water availibility or less. Close to rivers or in the mountains. Makes the landscape way more distinct and realistic.
Great stuff as always CPP, I would suggest Ox Bow Lake as one of the names for the new neighbourhoods, its one of the geography lessons I always remember when learning about how rivers work
Love the series! I've been a longtime fan and just realized that we are both CU Buff and CU Denver alum's, very cool.
Personally, I think you should cut a tunnel through the ridge at the edge of the new section of Bend, over to the industrial park where the dump used to be. With all the hills, ridges, and rivers in this map you could really make it look very similar to Pittsburgh, PA. Thanks for the vids!
As a motorist, I actually appreciate signalized crosswalks. Especially at night, it can be hard to see if a pedestrian is wanting to cross until you are at the crosswalk. I've also noticed that pedestrians like to hang out near crosswalks, but not actually cross for some reason. The signals make it clear that it is time to yield, and the pedestrian isn't just absent mindedly wandering around while on their phone.
22:44 I find this very funny, commuting around Madison there are a bunch of bus stops that are a wooden post with a "bus stop" sign zip tied on. No concrete pad, you just get dropped off in a damp patch of grass on the side of the road. The funny thing is that those sorts of stops are often near developed areas, the one in particular i'm thinking of was near a mall...
My suggestion for Emerson Glen would be "Oxmoor". It's on a river and used to be undeveloped, so we could easily add into the lore that it used to be much marshier before some of the extra earth from various grading/terraforming was used to build it up, and maybe it also used to be a hunting/fishing destination. I like "Oxmoor" specifically because it's on what is now some pretty desirable land, so it could easily be built up as a more affluent neighborhood in the future, and "Oxmoor" just sounds fancy.
Every time I see a new MC video, I know I’m about to be entertained by the perfect combination of an interesting story, creative gameplay, and of course our amazing city planner. Keep up the great work!
Man I've been watching your stuff and Bifa for a while now, helps me out a lot. Can't wait till console gets in there, someday.
Hey, City Planner, great video as always here’s some of my suggestions for the neighborhoods, townships and the streets.
Neighborhoods: Meanderly, Knees, Oxbow, Bar, Riverside, Burnview, Currentgate, New Blackwater, Channelway, West Bend, Waterstreat, Billaborough, Baerbie, Babinetwich, Banktun, Scrolldon, Cutbank, Flowworth, Fluvia and Lalandia.
Townships: Orchardington, Plantarfields, Seedlington, Sweet Apple, Dairyton, Cowtown, Acresville, Bunyan, Brerham, Bondton, Hooverville and Ploughburgh.
Streets: Meanderly, Knees, Oxbow, Cutbank, Bar, Mat, Pat, Steph, Ollie, Theorists, Burnview, Currentgate, Channelway, Dasher, Pinkerton, Rare, Omni, Hancock, Gurney, Viktoria, Searle, Frederic, Jacobsen, March, Twilight, Apple, Flutter, Bertie, Bulgy and Bruck.
This is turning out awesome. The feeling of the place you are drawing inspiration from shows in the county. I wish the north American low density housing felt a bit different. Seeing so many modular and homes on platforms with sloped roofs feels out of place for the midwest. I wish we got more craftsmen/bungalow and ranch homes. They also need basements or crawlspaces to get water below the frost level!
My naming recommendation is for Vermont Creek to be named with inspiration from my hometown and the area it resembles, Hodag Hollow. This area seems like the area in the town once known as the "Hungry Hollow" near the rail station where multiple rail lines met.
i been waiting everyday for a new ep. made my day 10 times better
Where I live (Norwich, UK) we have bus routes that start at an extremity then pass through the centre of the city towards an opposite extremity. The buses share the last roads in to the centre, 2 main central bus stop locations then share the road out of the city.
They then split to service various suburbs but the arterials probably share near 40-50% of routes.
If you live on one of these shared routes, you're getting a bus every 7-10 minutes!