Quality went down also, the new COROLLA CROSS and YIARIS CROSS (Both SUVs) Both cars are full of plastic inside, no leather to be feltanywhere ... The HYBRID is the only good option! Also, MAZDA made the MX-50 Hybrid using theToyota system used in the Prius, and the MX-50 sells for less!
Seriously. I get insulted the couple of times I visited Toyota dealers. I ended up spending a few thousand more and just got a Lexus. They're still affordable and you get quite a bit more like rain sensing wipers, automatic seat adjustment when entering/leaving the vehicle and more.
I think they are mostly coming from Toyota dealerships. Toyota itself gives MSRPs. Afterwards, dealerships add markups and add on options that inflate consumer costs way beyone advertised prices, typically hiding these until you are at the dealership. This is why no one really enjoys buying a newer car.
I wanted to buy my wife a Rav4. However, the dealerships wouldn't work with me. So we started looking around and ended up with a Subaru Outback and were very happy with it.
Same here, but we did it 5 years ago. Toyota dealer was "take it or leave it", Subaru dealer wanted the business. So we bought the Outback and saved $9K. No regrets.
I was looking at replacing my 2017 Outback with a Camry. Didn’t realize the Camry are only hybrids with the 2024 model year. And my other possibility was getting a Tacoma, but they are only 4cyl turbocharged. Both the Camry and Tacoma are a pass. Looks like I’ll stick with a Subaru, but a Crosstrek for my replacement.
We had the opposite experience. We walked out of the Subaru dealership when they refused to removed floor mats and wheel & tire insurance on a cash sale of new Outback. We got a Honda Pilot instead and love it. Screw Subaru.
Toyota is probably not listening. Greed has a way of making rich people and corporations deaf and blind. Vote with your money and tell your friends and family to do the same.
Toyota ditched all their principles. They used to be inexpensive. Now they are super expensive. They used to cherish Quality, Durability, and Reliability, now they let the customers beta test all the new vehicles. The new Tundra, Tacoma and most likely the 4Runner are outrageously expensive, and have tons of issues... Goodbye Toyota
@@TheConservativeKid tell that to people that bought a gr86, tundra, corolla. they get a choice of a car that is flammable or a car that the transmission grenades itself in under 1000 miles. I've driven a toyota since 1994. I know a little about the brand.
DO NOT BUY THESE MODERN CARS IF YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE TO! ALL current mfrs are making poor quality, over priced disposable junk today! Keep what you have if is it reasonably reliable and maintain it. It's a way better deal.
Thats why I bought the 2023 Tacoma ( new ) while I still could . I heard that they were going to a new 4 cylinder turbo in 2024 . I wanted the V-6 . Ill NEVER buy a 4 cylinder Tacoma ( unless is a 22R older truck )
all things equal you are pushing more air through the engine and that equals more pressure and more heat. It often lowers the longevity of engines. It also comes down to people not knowing how to use a turbo car. You should always let the engine idle for a minute or so before you shut it off, giving the engine time to cool before you shut it off. You are also adding tech and adding to the complexity of the car. More complexity often leads to more things that can go wrong. Hence why i bought a Camry at the end of it's model run with just a plain 2.5 liter engine. Simple tech on a car that had been in production for 9 years and all the kinks were worked out. Often new models make you the guinea pig, first year out of the box. However there are people who who say they have owned turbos for years and had no problems. I suspect they sell them after 5 or 6 years and don't run them to 300 000 plus miles. It also matters how you drive them and highway miles vs city miles make a big difference. Maintenance is also key. Many variables.
I don’t agree. Turbo vehicles are fine as long as you don’t abuse them and, change oil regularly. Still they have better torque when you need it. I have had 3 turbo vehicles( even a modified Subaru STI) it was a commute vehicle not for racing or rally racing. I just liked more power. Never had a single issue with it. We now have a Subaru Ascent for over 6 years. So far flawless with 72,000 miles.
Here is what Toyota does not get. Many young men, say in there low to mid 20's would make enough to afford a new Tacoma in the high 20's and low 30's and then as they made more money their next one may be a TRD PRO or even a Tundra, They were Toyota folks for life , the same for young families. Those trucks and cars have disappeared from the market as you need mid 30's for a Camry and mid 40's for a Tacoma. Not only have they lost the newer younger generation but even the mid to older generation. I am not too smart but I know "basic" economics.
@@Slammingutz thank you. That is one of the nicest things someone has said about me but I believe thousands and thousands know this from life experiences and I just commented about it. thank you! Can I show this to my wife? HA!
the Free market works, apple gouges regardless. They get more than what a dealer would make off product. Free market works with supply, the global men are causing the supply issues.
We went looking for a new RAV4, but with all the dealer mandatory add-ons and dealers not willing to negotiate, we walked away. Sooner or later there will be a big market correction, then we’ll try again. In the mean time, our 2009 Honda CRV only has 191,000 miles and runs perfectly.
I’m old enough to remember when Toyota (and Honda for that matter) offered quality at an economical price. The main reason why they rose to prominence was because in the 70’s while a lot of American cars looked great they were trash under the hood and got like 9 miles to the gallon on a good day. When you add two different oil crises in the decade people went to Toyota because they were affordable, reliable and got good MPG. Now they aren’t affordable, their reliability is still decent but nowhere near what it used to be and they don’t really offer any real advantage in MPG. I tried looking for a RAV4 Prime and when you could find one it marked up 5-10k over sticker.
Toyota prices are ridiculous and technology is meh. i have a new grand highlander, so many errors in infotainment system car play will time out every 20-30 mins it's a mesh and quality is not there anymore in interior
@@TheConservativeKid drive the new camry is not boring at all. I have driven alot of german cars, and they are best driving machines, but my toyota's have been solid car with their unique driving experience. It is like guitars, cheaper car still can be better than expensive guitar worth $5000.
The real problem is that they aren't smart enough to know that the more cars you sell, the more you make. They will not come down off the sticker price.
I tried to buy another Toyota about 6 months ago. Every dealer I contacted wanted over 5k over MSRP. The dealer mark ups were absolutely crazy. They would all knock a small amount off the MSRP and then add the 5k mark up after you made the deal, it’s seems criminal. This is coming from an over 30 year Toyota buyer. I bought a new VW Jetta. I could not afford anything else. I will never buy another Toyota again!
@ I have not had one since I bought a Jetta in 1990. It was a good car then, I had no issues. I hope this one is just as good. I had forgotten how much I like the interior of a VW and the firm seats. I’ve averaged 48 mpg over 7k miles too. No issues so far!❤️
Drove Toyota for 20 years. Here in GA, the distributor sticks crap add-ons on every vehicle. Take it or leave it. So, in 2023, I left it. Bought a new GMC Canyon. Love the truck. Major upgrade over a Tacoma.
That’s actually pretty ironic because the gmc canyon is proven to be one of the most unreliable trucks sold in America. Of course, not everyone will have the same experience. That’s great that you’re having a good experience with it. It proves that just because it is said to be unreliable doesn’t mean it can’t be a good vehicle
25 years, all Toyota. Not wanting turbo, 4 Cyl, less warranty, double digit price rises, dealer charging double for repairs. Bought KIA Telluride, had it one year. What Toyota used to be….like it lots!
@@ArthropodSpidey Honda is a great product, and they do discount well. I had the new Pilot discounted at $6,000 off MSRP. CR-V $4,800 off MSRP. Accord $4,000 off MSRP.
@@alanbiancardi2531 probably less than Toyota will have to discount the Taco to stop them from piling up at dealerships. $54,000 for a 4 cylinder turbo.
You name it and I've probably owned that brand. I've had over 30 new cars in the 55 years that I've been driving. I've never been able to purchase a Honda because sales managers at the dealerships in PA, VA and MD are focused on making the absolute top dollar for them while not bargaining with you. Every single car and truck either has 2500-3000 dealer installed options you don't want or they just slap a sticker on the window of the adjusted market value. I've done very well without a Honda so far but if I ever run across a stealership willing to deal, I might buy one.
My family is growing and I need a bigger vehicle, I explored all option and went with putting an order in for a Sequoia 8 seater. The dealership tried to sell me a tundra, really hard. He offered $10,000 off MSRP and I told him I’m aware of their issues and I don’t want one haha
And no real room for a big family going grocery shopping, also on the west coast lithia owns most of the deslerships and they are scandelous. Im looking at a suburban, at least then we can go grocery shopping
Same here Bluewater, wanted a Tacoma but they were 1K over MSRP so I got a Honda Ridgeline under $1,300 MSRP and very happy with it, in fact bought the spouse a Passport and my mom a Honda minivan.
Toyota used to have pride and bent over backwards to deliver a product that everyone wanted and at a good price point. Unfortunately, pride turned to greed and toyota morphed into the big 3 American companies in the 80's. Reliability is way down and so is something called value. The engineering on newer vehicles is laughable. For instance, no one wants to remove the front bumper to replace a headlight. Whomever thought the new oil filters was a good idea should be flogged. As a consumer, I demand value. I want longevity and low maintenance. Toyota is no longer listening to me so I am going to have to look elsewhere. Oh and guess what, I wont be buying a 4 banger turbo for a truck or SUV. Lastly, if you want me to buy a toyota, it is going to be made in the U.S. or Japan.
Toyota wants +$50K for a Taco. I'll take a pimped out Nissan Frontier for $42k. Toyota wants +$56K for a Sienna. I'll take a pimped out Honda Odyssey for $45K. Toyota wants +$70K for a POS Tundra. I'll take a pimped out Ford F150 for $48K
I asked a dealer to show me a new 4-Runner. They refused! They said all are already sold before they arrive and I couldn't see a sold one. They went on to say I would need to provide a down payment and order one to see it. What garbage! Of course, I left.
If Toyota prices at your local dealer are too high. Change dealers, even if they are out of state or your local area. I tried to buy a Rav4 at my local dealer and they wanted $2k Over MSRP, I found a dealer 350 miles away, that sold me the Rav4 well below list price but also delivered it to me at no cost. Shop around !
I don't think your numbers on Toyota are accurate. I have 6 Toyota dealers within a 50mi radius of me and none of these dealers can get cars, i.e. Camry, RAV4, Crown, etc. When they get cars they are sold before they hit the dealers lot. What I've been told by 3 of these dealers is that Toyota has cut production and some other dealers say there are part shortages. Whatever the reason, there are few Toyota cars to be had in my area and some of these dealers are owned by large auto corporations, meaning, they should have clout w/Toyota and be able to secure inventory especially if sales are low as you state.
Here in the Las Vegas area, the new vehicle sections of the Toyota lots are filled mostly with Tundras and Tacomas. Good luck finding Rav4s and Corolla Crosses in any configuration. The same goes for Camrys. Since my 2018 Rav4 Hybrid Limited has only 46,300 miles and is fully paid for, I won't be selling or trading it in anytime soon.
EVs continue to rise in market share and have had the highest year over year sales for the last several years than any other segment. Ford just reported a few day ago that Mach.E sales are higher than for the ICE Mustang and GM had a record year in EV sales. Rivian also reported higher than expected sales for the fourth quarter and higher sales than expected for 2024. Even Scout Motors has reported that they have over 50k reservations for vehicles that are t expected for two more years. You might not want an EV but saying that nobody wants one is just ignorant as hell.
@@kenyattaclay7666people want them but evs are taking the car industry in the wrong direction. Evs are one of the main reasons why all of these brands are so concerned about fuel efficiency, so they make these tiny engines with turbos. Those engines don’t even save much fuel and the reliability of those engines are horrendous. It’s worth the normal engine
I went to a Toyota dealer in Schaumburg, IL in August. I asked for a Camry TRD V6. They said they only have hybrids. They were making fun of me, saying things like "are you going to race it, or what?". I got Infiniti Q50RS instead. I'm never going to buy a Toyota. They are assholes.
Im a Toyota guy but they have gotten to pricey and reliability has slipped. Mazda has taken some sales from Toyota and Nissans frontier on the truck side
even though I wanted Toyota, I had enough with Toyota Dealers. Take it or leave it attitude , compulsory additional equipment charges feels like legal atrocity.
The Korean automakers Hyundai & KIa are not as good quality or as reliable as Toyota. However, they offer some features that Toyota doesn't. Toyota has been slow to adopt new technology. They were late in the game with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay while other automakers had already offered it. Also, some don't like Toyota is charging a subscription to use features like Remote Start
Toyota’s reliability has gone down significantly over the last several years. They are living off of the past & the Korea twin’s reliability isn’t as bad as people think.
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😂 I usually want a car to get me from a to b, entertainment and add ons don't come into it!
Toyota is still number one seller in America and in the world selling over eleven million vehicles per year. Toyota is less expensive than any other brand based on value, quality, resale, spare parts, maintenance, dealers network, insurance, Do it yourself maintenance are in the equation. Myself, family members and friends are sick of cheap cars. We want to own a reliable vehicle 15-20 years from now and drive every day for work, business, entertainment, road trips with any major issue even at 200k miles. This happens constantly with Toyota vehicles. People love to buying our 20 years old Toyota with a few hundred thousand miles on the odometers, other brands have to be sold to junkyards for a few hundred bucks. I currently driving a 2021 Toyota Sienna and have never experienced a single issue even after 110,000 miles My adult daughter who is senior electrical engineer is still driving her 20 year old Toyota Camry 4 cylinders that she bought it used in high school. The Camry still runs like new after one quarter of million miles. My wife still drives 2012 Toyota Prius getting 50mpg, and still works like new at 1/4 million miles on its odometer. Oil change at Toyota is still $50 average. No matter what Toyota brand will shine and thrive.
My 12' Altima has been bulletproof from day 1. I have owned my car since December 2011. Still driving my car with the ORIGINAL CVT transmission. Change the CVT fluid every 2 years and it will last.
Hyundai, Kia, Ford are junk. I'll stick with my '18 Highlander, '15 Camry and '08 Sienna. I wore out my '98 Corolla. Someone already owns my next Toyota.
From the comments I have read Toyota dealers want to play mind games and mark up their MSRP to a heightened RSRP on the call sheet. Fine do that, I am not paying that as most Toyota designs are boorish and offer little in terms excitement.
They priced out their customer base! The new turbo charged engines destroyed long term reliability! Now that value and reliability are gone customers might as well buy the cheaper domestic versions of whatever they’re in the market for. Toyota just needs to hire lobbyists to push back against the green new deal agenda that’s going to destroy their business.
I was recently in the market for a Tacoma. I went and looked at them. No head or leg room particularly in the rear seat. The colors are boring (silver, white and other ugly colors I can't describe). Inside was hard plastic. II was shocked at the high price. Then I saw they were made in Mexico. These were all a deal breaker for me.
When you are number one, there is no place to go but down. Just bought a rav4. Nice car. Good mileage, There are many good choices. Corolla is a great deal, new car for $2,000 less than honda civic.
Your local Toyota dealership must be a one of a kind. My local Toyota dealership wants almost 28k for a base model Corolla and their msrp is in between 23-24k
Last month, I started my search for a RAV4, hybrid or non-hybrid, could not find one with the features I wanted without waiting for weeks. Not to mention the high asking price. Went with the CX-5, got a great deal including the loyalty bonus. In less than couple of weeks of buying CX-5, did a private sale of my 20 year old Mazda 6. Toyota lost a sale.
80 Billion $ in cash reserves, Toyota must be doing something right ..we love our 2021 Toyota Venza Hybrid. Have had zero issues with the car and have excellent service from our dealership in Clermont FL. Pricing when we bought it was fair.
You can barely find a Toyota on a lot here. They are all sold and the ones that arent go in under a week. Rest you have to put your name on and wait. Not sure where you are all at. But Toyota,Subaru and Honda here are selling out. The other manufacturers have a ton of inventory.
You should come down to Florida. The Toyota lots are over-flowing with new TOYOTAs, but there are no customers because of the inflated prices. $40,000 for a Camry? LOL!
Long time Toyota owner. Local dealer, Glen Motors in Fair Lawn added a $2000 $3000 added on price. Our family drove to Pittsburgh PA to buy at sticker. Now I'm MADD at local dealer and avoid them. They will wake up. I also drive a 2020 Lexus RX-350. Look at KIA and Hyunday engine problems. YES, huge warranted with issues being posted. Not ready for Korean cars.
I tried to trade my 2020 Toyota Avalon hybrid limited in excellent condition 59113 miles fo a 2024 Toyota RAV 4 SXE hybrid at MSRP and was offered wholesale price for my trade so I went to KIA and traded for a 2025 Sportage SX prestige for a $2000 lower MSRP and I got a $5000 rebate off the MSRP and $5500 more for my trade and the Kia has many more options and safety features. I had purchased 9 Toyotas from this dealership in northern Kentucky but that was my last Toyota
Your new Kia has the 2.5 Smartstream. That's one of the best engines Hyundai/Kia currently offers. Just be sure to to do 5000 mile oil changes and you'll get a long life out of it.
I never did like Toyota in the first place. They had been hogging the market for so long. The general public had at one time had believed Toyota was the best vehicle on the road. Its about time Toyota cut back on production.
Just bought a '25 Lexus NX350h and '25 Camry XSE.....so I did my part. Camry was $38K out the door which is less than what I paid for my 2012 Prius Plug-In new.
great opportunity for Kia and Hyundai. I would never buy one, but it seems like Toyota fans are really fed up. Seems like a natural place to go for the Toyota crowd who is now displeased.
This posting is silly. Toyota quality is just fine, thank you. Everyman Driver is a "the sky is falling" kind of channel. Clicks and views with silly and/or controversial comments not based upon facts.
Idk what this is all about. Toyota was top sales in US. Rav4 is top seller and up 10%. Top trim models are hard to get and are presold prior to arriving. Camry is by far best selling sedan.
4 cylinder with a hybrid and a turbo added on is a concern - tundra had engine issues - high $$ coupled with subpar designs & weak economy - result less sales
Gravitating towards "Nissan"? Then why was Nissan reported as having only 12 to 14 months to find a merger partner? Nissan is reported as being unreliable by more than one source. Question now is will Honda merger help Nissan sales or pull Honda down?
I think a drop of 3.3% that he is referring to is definitely not sales plummeting and I agree with you they are definitely not gravitating to Nissan when Nissan could be bankrupt if the Honda merger doesn’t go through. This is sensational journalism at best.
1st car and we can't even get preapproved for a decent APR. We might as well just buy used with allin cash or a local credit union for financing but I doubt it.
I was never a Toyota buyer but was simple and reliable and now that prices are through the roof on everything and no longer simple who will want to upgrade. More people will try and get that half million mile or more mark. Might look into something older myself.
I don't know where y'all are from but here in Massachusetts, Rav4 hybrid, Grand Highlander hybrid, and Prius are all sold out and we have to wait 2 to 4 weeks for new inventory. Toyota dealers here are doing better than ever. I don't know if this channel is credible.
The first dealbreaker for me is that I have to buy the absolute top of the line model to get a heated steering wheel - something I'd even pay the dealership to install if possible. The second thing is that their cars are EXPENSIVE and have had some very public reliability problems. I told a couple people to have a look at the Siena, but the markup on one is TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS over sticker. You'd have to own the stupid thing for 20 years to make that money back. No thanks. Their tech is also kinda lousy in a lot of their cars are very outdated. Just so much NOPE.
Prices went through the roof and reliability went down the toilet.
That will do it!
Quality went down also, the new COROLLA CROSS and YIARIS CROSS (Both SUVs)
Both cars are full of plastic inside, no leather to be feltanywhere ... The HYBRID is the only good option!
Also, MAZDA made the MX-50 Hybrid using theToyota system used in the Prius, and the MX-50 sells for less!
$28K for corolla ? That's why sales are down.
Those dealership fools were trying to price Corolla at 35k . I laughed so hard and walked out.
That Corolla fully loaded would be 18k and Tacoma fully loaded should be 25k
Yup. I remember when an XLE Camry was $28k
Even though I’m not in the market. Ironically I got a text from Toyota today for first time that the Corolla le is marked down to $19k
paid more than that for a 2023 Corolla Cross up here in Canada.
Itisn'tt driven much, butit runs good/lean on gasoline, and all I really need at 74.
Toyota’s push towards higher prices are killing their sales. Plain and simple.
Everybody's push towards higher prices is killing everybody's sales.
not in this state economy.
And BS Turbo's !!
@ MAN, I hate turbos! They're just cheap, artificial horsepower at the expense of an engine's longevity if you ask me.
@ hear melts the platstic parts no need to be an engineer
A lot of Toyota users shift to Mazda because it is more affordable.
the quality is much better. cx5 gang gang
And honda
They need to make Toyota Tacomas fully loaded for 25k
Yep, and Mazda is every bit as reliable as Toyota. Mazda has always put out a good product, except when it was linked with FORD.
@@seethingsclearlyawaken3424 the only Mazda that sucks is the mx30. Other than that model, Mazda is definitely a go to brand
Prices are way too high. I don't even want to stop in and look.
Seriously. I get insulted the couple of times I visited Toyota dealers. I ended up spending a few thousand more and just got a Lexus. They're still affordable and you get quite a bit more like rain sensing wipers, automatic seat adjustment when entering/leaving the vehicle and more.
And if you have to wait over a year for delivery for the model you’re after, forget it.
All I see is a sea of greed coming from Toyota !
I think they are mostly coming from Toyota dealerships. Toyota itself gives MSRPs. Afterwards, dealerships add markups and add on options that inflate consumer costs way beyone advertised prices, typically hiding these until you are at the dealership. This is why no one really enjoys buying a newer car.
And the quality is going down hill
@@commonsense6611exactly. Without any markups Toyotas are already overpriced and the dealerships still gouge you
Toyota has always hogged the market.
lots of plastic that shares every model right up to the Crown!
They asking to much for Corollas....ridiculous 🤣
Buy Hyundai or Kia.
They used to be great but now there turning into chevy
corolla used to be a 15 k car.....not anymore
@@AndSan-n7q I always liked Chevy better than Toyota
I wanted to buy my wife a Rav4. However, the dealerships wouldn't work with me. So we started looking around and ended up with a Subaru Outback and were very happy with it.
Same here, but we did it 5 years ago. Toyota dealer was "take it or leave it", Subaru dealer wanted the business. So we bought the Outback and saved $9K. No regrets.
I was looking at replacing my 2017 Outback with a Camry. Didn’t realize the Camry are only hybrids with the 2024 model year. And my other possibility was getting a Tacoma, but they are only 4cyl turbocharged. Both the Camry and Tacoma are a pass.
Looks like I’ll stick with a Subaru, but a Crosstrek for my replacement.
Look at the CX 50 ice. The hybrid is good but the Toyota system in that car makes it noisy.
We had the opposite experience. We walked out of the Subaru dealership when they refused to removed floor mats and wheel & tire insurance on a cash sale of new Outback. We got a Honda Pilot instead and love it. Screw Subaru.
@@leoy5314 u should look at the forester it is larger than the crosstrek.
I hope Toyota is listening to the posted comments.
maybe
Toyota is probably not listening. Greed has a way of making rich people and corporations deaf and blind. Vote with your money and tell your friends and family to do the same.
They couldn't care less. They lose 5 customers while they gain 20 more
Toyota ditched all their principles. They used to be inexpensive. Now they are super expensive. They used to cherish Quality, Durability, and Reliability, now they let the customers beta test all the new vehicles. The new Tundra, Tacoma and most likely the 4Runner are outrageously expensive, and have tons of issues... Goodbye Toyota
BAM! You hit the nail on the head! Toyota now is no better than any other mfr...STOP buying them.
💯 agree. I wonder if Toyota executives actually read these responses from their loyal customers? Well, they aren’t loyal customers anymore…😂😂😂
@ Their MBAs should be fired. They forget that the only reason they have been so successful is because customers trusted the brand. Not anymore.
@@horseathalt7308 Lol enjoy terrible reliability and huge resale drops from the others
Yup. The accountants and greed execs killed their own golden p,aged goose. Now they are ...b goosed. Well played. 😂
Toyota, like all of the other manufacturers, got greedy. These price hikes are completely artificial now and not sustainable.
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toyota made the fatal mistake of going from reliable and boring to boring and unreliable.
Most of them are still reliable, just not the ones with them turbo engines and the tundra
When did they become unreliable?
it came with the new boss.
@@TheConservativeKid tell that to people that bought a gr86, tundra, corolla. they get a choice of a car that is flammable or a car that the transmission grenades itself in under 1000 miles.
I've driven a toyota since 1994. I know a little about the brand.
@ january 20th 2021
DO NOT BUY THESE MODERN CARS IF YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE TO!
ALL current mfrs are making poor quality, over priced disposable junk today!
Keep what you have if is it reasonably reliable and maintain it. It's a way better deal.
Driving 2001's 😗👍🏻
@@melissasmess2773 Thanks for the reply and support. Maybe if their sales go down enough the mfrs will change their ways...
My 2005 Echo runs great!
And they spy on you.
Put the V-6 back in the Tacoma. I’d buy a six without turbo before I’d buy a four banger with one.
Thats why I bought the 2023 Tacoma ( new ) while I still could . I heard that they were going to a new 4 cylinder turbo in 2024 . I wanted the V-6 . Ill NEVER buy a 4 cylinder Tacoma ( unless is a 22R older truck )
Don't blame Toyota, blame emissions requirements set out by the government
STAY FAR AWAY FROM ANY TURBO ENGINE
Why? I had a Ford Escape with a turbo and a Lexus with a turbo. I never had ANY trouble with either.
you got that right.
all things equal you are pushing more air through the engine and that equals more pressure and more heat. It often lowers the longevity of engines. It also comes down to people not knowing how to use a turbo car. You should always let the engine idle for a minute or so before you shut it off, giving the engine time to cool before you shut it off. You are also adding tech and adding to the complexity of the car. More complexity often leads to more things that can go wrong.
Hence why i bought a Camry at the end of it's model run with just a plain 2.5 liter engine. Simple tech on a car that had been in production for 9 years and all the kinks were worked out. Often new models make you the guinea pig, first year out of the box. However there are people who who say they have owned turbos for years and had no problems. I suspect they sell them after 5 or 6 years and don't run them to 300 000 plus miles. It also matters how you drive them and highway miles vs city miles make a big difference. Maintenance is also key. Many variables.
I don’t agree. Turbo vehicles are fine as long as you don’t abuse them and, change oil regularly. Still they have better torque when you need it. I have had 3 turbo vehicles( even a modified Subaru STI) it was a commute vehicle not for racing or rally racing. I just liked more power. Never had a single issue with it. We now have a Subaru Ascent for over 6 years. So far flawless with 72,000 miles.
@@ericpizarro3084 the great majority of people do not need the extra torque, and most people do NOT need the excessive acceleration.
Here is what Toyota does not get. Many young men, say in there low to mid 20's would make enough to afford a new Tacoma in the high 20's and low 30's and then as they made more money their next one may be a TRD PRO or even a Tundra, They were Toyota folks for life , the same for young families. Those trucks and cars have disappeared from the market as you need mid 30's for a Camry and mid 40's for a Tacoma. Not only have they lost the newer younger generation but even the mid to older generation. I am not too smart but I know "basic" economics.
You nailed it buddy. I appreciate smart people like you sir. You have a good head on your shoulders. 👍🏼. Listen up Toyota.
@@Slammingutz thank you. That is one of the nicest things someone has said about me but I believe thousands and thousands know this from life experiences and I just commented about it. thank you! Can I show this to my wife? HA!
Toyota quality has gone way down…no longer the top reliable vehicle. Prices are too high. And no longer the gold standard is 💯 spot on.
"Elevated prices"... This is gotta be the most gentle way to say Toyota has been ripping off its customers. 🤣😂🤣
Let’s see… you castrated your pick up trucks. The engines are blowing up and you raised the prices.
No more dealerships.
the Free market works, apple gouges regardless. They get more than what a dealer would make off product. Free market works with supply, the global men are causing the supply issues.
has nothing to do with it. the msrps are too high
older Toyotas are way better than newer Toyotas. I'd take a 4th Gen 4Runner over a new 4Runner any day.
💯 Put both kids in pre-pandemic era Camry and Corolla. Near bulletproof reliability.
I agree. Got a 2024 4Runner l. Old ancient terrible gas mileage and I LOVE it as I know it will last me years and years.
@@muthergoose4084 - awesome user name - do you have the need for speed? :)
toyota owners are flocking to mazda
Zoom-Zoom! And Mazda loves ‘yota defectors 😂.
Lmao
We went looking for a new RAV4, but with all the dealer mandatory add-ons and dealers not willing to negotiate, we walked away. Sooner or later there will be a big market correction, then we’ll try again. In the mean time, our 2009 Honda CRV only has 191,000 miles and runs perfectly.
we found a new nissan sentra advertised for $20500.we pounced on the deal with no addons.
I’m old enough to remember when Toyota (and Honda for that matter) offered quality at an economical price. The main reason why they rose to prominence was because in the 70’s while a lot of American cars looked great they were trash under the hood and got like 9 miles to the gallon on a good day. When you add two different oil crises in the decade people went to Toyota because they were affordable, reliable and got good MPG. Now they aren’t affordable, their reliability is still decent but nowhere near what it used to be and they don’t really offer any real advantage in MPG.
I tried looking for a RAV4 Prime and when you could find one it marked up 5-10k over sticker.
Exactly ❤
Very well said, bullseye 🎯 !
I love 70's Toyota's
Overpriced and less reliable than before ✔️
Toyota prices are ridiculous and technology is meh. i have a new grand highlander, so many errors in infotainment system car play will time out every 20-30 mins it's a mesh and quality is not there anymore in interior
Is your CarPlay wireless?
global inflation, printing of money. This is happening all over the world. Nothing is cheap anymore anywhere
Toyotas are usually very boring as well. With how much they charge, they should make better interiors and just a funner vehicle to drive
@@TheConservativeKid drive the new camry is not boring at all. I have driven alot of german cars, and they are best driving machines, but my toyota's have been solid car with their unique driving experience. It is like guitars, cheaper car still can be better than expensive guitar worth $5000.
@@TheConservativeKid interiors were never a concern for them. Most salesman at Toyota have said safety is their main priority
The real problem is that they aren't smart enough to know that the more cars you sell, the more you make. They will not come down off the sticker price.
I tried to buy another Toyota about 6 months ago. Every dealer I contacted wanted over 5k over MSRP. The dealer mark ups were absolutely crazy. They would all knock a small amount off the MSRP and then add the 5k mark up after you made the deal, it’s seems criminal. This is coming from an over 30 year Toyota buyer. I bought a new VW Jetta. I could not afford anything else. I will never buy another Toyota again!
For the money the Jetta has been hard to beat for the past 10 years
@ I have not had one since I bought a Jetta in 1990. It was a good car then, I had no issues. I hope this one is just as good. I had forgotten how much I like the interior of a VW and the firm seats. I’ve averaged 48 mpg over 7k miles too. No issues so far!❤️
Toyota has left me STUNNED! Identify me as “market loss” simply no longer the value stand out I grew to know. 😢
Drove Toyota for 20 years. Here in GA, the distributor sticks crap add-ons on every vehicle. Take it or leave it. So, in 2023, I left it. Bought a new GMC Canyon. Love the truck. Major upgrade over a Tacoma.
That’s actually pretty ironic because the gmc canyon is proven to be one of the most unreliable trucks sold in America. Of course, not everyone will have the same experience. That’s great that you’re having a good experience with it. It proves that just because it is said to be unreliable doesn’t mean it can’t be a good vehicle
25 years, all Toyota. Not wanting turbo, 4 Cyl, less warranty, double digit price rises, dealer charging double for repairs. Bought KIA Telluride, had it one year. What Toyota used to be….like it lots!
Wow I hope it lasts
How’s Telluride? Any issues? Maintenance?
Most people are actually buying Hondas. Honda reported sales are through the roof.
Maybe. How much did they have to discount those sales
@@ArthropodSpidey Honda is a great product, and they do discount well. I had the new Pilot discounted at $6,000 off MSRP. CR-V $4,800 off MSRP. Accord $4,000 off MSRP.
@@alanbiancardi2531 probably less than Toyota will have to discount the Taco to stop them from piling up at dealerships. $54,000 for a 4 cylinder turbo.
You name it and I've probably owned that brand. I've had over 30 new cars in the 55 years that I've been driving. I've never been able to purchase a Honda because sales managers at the dealerships in PA, VA and MD are focused on making the absolute top dollar for them while not bargaining with you. Every single car and truck either has 2500-3000 dealer installed options you don't want or they just slap a sticker on the window of the adjusted market value.
I've done very well without a Honda so far but if I ever run across a stealership willing to deal, I might buy one.
A simple matter of over supply trading on historical reliability
My family is growing and I need a bigger vehicle, I explored all option and went with putting an order in for a Sequoia 8 seater. The dealership tried to sell me a tundra, really hard. He offered $10,000 off MSRP and I told him I’m aware of their issues and I don’t want one haha
They need to make Toyota Sequoias fully loaded for 35k
@@RobertBrown876 lol, you cant get a 2015 for 35k
it's ridiculous. Now, the new Sequoia starting price is $62,000
@fram4246 it should be 35k max fully loaded
And no real room for a big family going grocery shopping, also on the west coast lithia owns most of the deslerships and they are scandelous. Im looking at a suburban, at least then we can go grocery shopping
❤ Toyota but prices too high ,slipping on reliable vehicles
Price gouging at the dealership is what’s going on and people are buying other vehicles.
Some Toyota dealers are still charging Market adjustments that is why.
Every time when I walked in then all I see was Market Adjustment with 20% above msrp....Walked straight out! Moved to Honda and Acura instead.
Same here Bluewater, wanted a Tacoma but they were 1K over MSRP so I got a Honda Ridgeline under $1,300 MSRP and very happy with it, in fact bought the spouse a Passport and my mom a Honda minivan.
it's the dealership markup. Lots of dealership are selling Tacoma $2k-$4k under msrp
Toyota should put spare tires back in ALL its models. Not having one is just dumb
Yes, as I said in the other comment giving you less and less every year but charging more and more ridiculous
bought a Mazda CX-5, best bang for the buck.
Toyota used to have pride and bent over backwards to deliver a product that everyone wanted and at a good price point. Unfortunately, pride turned to greed and toyota morphed into the big 3 American companies in the 80's. Reliability is way down and so is something called value. The engineering on newer vehicles is laughable. For instance, no one wants to remove the front bumper to replace a headlight. Whomever thought the new oil filters was a good idea should be flogged. As a consumer, I demand value. I want longevity and low maintenance. Toyota is no longer listening to me so I am going to have to look elsewhere. Oh and guess what, I wont be buying a 4 banger turbo for a truck or SUV. Lastly, if you want me to buy a toyota, it is going to be made in the U.S. or Japan.
Toyota wants +$50K for a Taco.
I'll take a pimped out Nissan Frontier for $42k.
Toyota wants +$56K for a Sienna.
I'll take a pimped out Honda Odyssey for $45K.
Toyota wants +$70K for a POS Tundra.
I'll take a pimped out Ford F150 for $48K
I asked a dealer to show me a new 4-Runner. They refused! They said all are already sold before they arrive and I couldn't see a sold one. They went on to say I would need to provide a down payment and order one to see it. What garbage! Of course, I left.
If Toyota prices at your local dealer are too high. Change dealers, even if they are out of state or your local area. I tried to buy a Rav4 at my local dealer and they wanted $2k Over MSRP, I found a dealer 350 miles away, that sold me the Rav4 well below list price but also delivered it to me at no cost. Shop around !
I don't think your numbers on Toyota are accurate. I have 6 Toyota dealers within a 50mi radius of me and none of these dealers can get cars, i.e. Camry, RAV4, Crown, etc. When they get cars they are sold before they hit the dealers lot. What I've been told by 3 of these dealers is that Toyota has cut production and some other dealers say there are part shortages. Whatever the reason, there are few Toyota cars to be had in my area and some of these dealers are owned by large auto corporations, meaning, they should have clout w/Toyota and be able to secure inventory especially if sales are low as you state.
Toyota is artificially limiting product to keep prices higher since covid
In my area, the dealership lots are over-flowing with Toyotas. There are a lot of new TOYOTAs, but not many customers inside the building. Too funny!
Dealerships hide inventory to make customers think there are shortages. Buy a car and it magically arrives early.
@ I tried 3 mths to get a Toyota then I went to Acura and found it same day
Here in the Las Vegas area, the new vehicle sections of the Toyota lots are filled mostly with Tundras and Tacomas. Good luck finding Rav4s and Corolla Crosses in any configuration. The same goes for Camrys. Since my 2018 Rav4 Hybrid Limited has only 46,300 miles and is fully paid for, I won't be selling or trading it in anytime soon.
No one wants EV junk. Otherwise very good video.
EVs continue to rise in market share and have had the highest year over year sales for the last several years than any other segment. Ford just reported a few day ago that Mach.E sales are higher than for the ICE Mustang and GM had a record year in EV sales. Rivian also reported higher than expected sales for the fourth quarter and higher sales than expected for 2024. Even Scout Motors has reported that they have over 50k reservations for vehicles that are t expected for two more years. You might not want an EV but saying that nobody wants one is just ignorant as hell.
@@kenyattaclay7666people want them but evs are taking the car industry in the wrong direction. Evs are one of the main reasons why all of these brands are so concerned about fuel efficiency, so they make these tiny engines with turbos. Those engines don’t even save much fuel and the reliability of those engines are horrendous. It’s worth the normal engine
My local Toyota dealership wants $45k for a base model Rav4.
What??? No way
Northern California? Maaaaybe TSRP for RAV 4 Prime, maybe. Most likely a $4,995 markup. This dude posts his videos from a fantasy land.
You should laugh in their face! Come to Florida and buy a RAV4, these dealers are full of them.
Walk away.
Sabaru just took the top spot away from Lexus/Toyota in Consumer Reports.
I’m gonna stick with my 2005 Honda Civic. 250,000 miles and it drives great.
I went to a Toyota dealer in Schaumburg, IL in August. I asked for a Camry TRD V6. They said they only have hybrids. They were making fun of me, saying things like "are you going to race it, or what?". I got Infiniti Q50RS instead. I'm never going to buy a Toyota. They are assholes.
Hybrids are much better.
Hondas and Toyotas are super expensive with horrible interiors. I would prefer Mazdas or Nissans instead
Will I buy Tacoma with 4 cylinders engine? No.
Im a Toyota guy but they have gotten to pricey and reliability has slipped. Mazda has taken some sales from Toyota and Nissans frontier on the truck side
Doesn’t help when they’re putting tiny engines in the Tacoma and Tundra
Most consumers were turned off by 4 cyl turbo engine.
I wouldn't touch it.
Forget about EVs. Way too many problems and outrageous prices.
Agree. They have the car industry going in the wrong direction
Still driving for eighteen years a 2007 Matrix no issues .
even though I wanted Toyota, I had enough with Toyota Dealers. Take it or leave it attitude , compulsory additional equipment charges feels like legal atrocity.
The Korean automakers Hyundai & KIa are not as good quality or as reliable as Toyota. However, they offer some features that Toyota doesn't. Toyota has been slow to adopt new technology. They were late in the game with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay while other automakers had already offered it. Also, some don't like Toyota is charging a subscription to use features like Remote Start
Toyota’s reliability has gone down significantly over the last several years. They are living off of the past & the Korea twin’s reliability isn’t as bad as people think.
😂 I usually want a car to get me from a to b, entertainment and add ons don't come into it!
Toyota is still number one seller in America and in the world selling over eleven million vehicles per year. Toyota is less expensive than any other brand based on value, quality, resale, spare parts, maintenance, dealers network, insurance, Do it yourself maintenance are in the equation. Myself, family members and friends are sick of cheap cars. We want to own a reliable vehicle 15-20 years from now and drive every day for work, business, entertainment, road trips with any major issue even at 200k miles. This happens constantly with Toyota vehicles. People love to buying our 20 years old Toyota with a few hundred thousand miles on the odometers, other brands have to be sold to junkyards for a few hundred bucks. I currently driving a 2021 Toyota Sienna and have never experienced a single issue even after 110,000 miles
My adult daughter who is senior electrical engineer is still driving her 20 year old Toyota Camry 4 cylinders that she bought it used in high school. The Camry still runs like new after one quarter of million miles.
My wife still drives 2012 Toyota Prius getting 50mpg, and still works like new at 1/4 million miles on its odometer.
Oil change at Toyota is still $50 average.
No matter what Toyota brand will shine and thrive.
This is true, my son drives a 2010 Avalon with 200k, but the article is talking about the new ones.
Toyota used to be reliable and good values. Now its new engines are garbage with price tags higher than those of entry level BMW.
My 12' Altima has been bulletproof from day 1. I have owned my car since December 2011. Still driving my car with the ORIGINAL CVT transmission. Change the CVT fluid every 2 years and it will last.
Or every 50k miles until it gets older, then change fluid every 30k
Awesome
Toyota has been way expensive.
With couple of extra dollars we can purchase a luxury brand. Instead a Toyota
Hyundai, Kia, Ford are junk. I'll stick with my '18 Highlander, '15 Camry and '08 Sienna. I wore out my '98 Corolla. Someone already owns my next Toyota.
My next Toyota will be a Mazda.
Toyota got fat and lazy just like the big three in the 70s and 80s .
From the comments I have read Toyota dealers want to play mind games and mark up their MSRP to a heightened RSRP on the call sheet.
Fine do that, I am not paying that as most Toyota designs are boorish and offer little in terms excitement.
The Toyota dealership and service center experience is the worst in the industry. US made Toyotas are not as reliable as the ones made in Japan.
They priced out their customer base! The new turbo charged engines destroyed long term reliability! Now that value and reliability are gone customers might as well buy the cheaper domestic versions of whatever they’re in the market for. Toyota just needs to hire lobbyists to push back against the green new deal agenda that’s going to destroy their business.
I was recently in the market for a Tacoma. I went and looked at them. No head or leg room particularly in the rear seat. The colors are boring (silver, white and other ugly colors I can't describe). Inside was hard plastic. II was shocked at the high price. Then I saw they were made in Mexico. These were all a deal breaker for me.
When you are number one, there is no place to go but down. Just bought a rav4. Nice car. Good mileage, There are many good choices. Corolla is a great deal, new car for $2,000 less than honda civic.
Your local Toyota dealership must be a one of a kind. My local Toyota dealership wants almost 28k for a base model Corolla and their msrp is in between 23-24k
@@TheConservativeKid Go somewhere else. I see the LE trim on the corolla being offered for under MSRP in my area.
Last month, I started my search for a RAV4, hybrid or non-hybrid, could not find one with the features I wanted without waiting for weeks. Not to mention the high asking price. Went with the CX-5, got a great deal including the loyalty bonus. In less than couple of weeks of buying CX-5, did a private sale of my 20 year old Mazda 6. Toyota lost a sale.
The fanboys will not be pleased with this video
80 Billion $ in cash reserves, Toyota must be doing something right ..we love our 2021 Toyota Venza Hybrid. Have had zero issues with the car and have excellent service from our dealership in Clermont FL. Pricing when we bought it was fair.
I’m not paying $40k for a car that used to be $27k 5 years ago.
What about sales of the Sienna? No one includes those when discussing car sales.
Putting people on one year wait lists wasn't a great idea.
The new engines are not confidence inspiring.
You can barely find a Toyota on a lot here. They are all sold and the ones that arent go in under a week. Rest you have to put your name on and wait. Not sure where you are all at. But Toyota,Subaru and Honda here are selling out. The other manufacturers have a ton of inventory.
You should come down to Florida. The Toyota lots are over-flowing with new TOYOTAs, but there are no customers because of the inflated prices. $40,000 for a Camry? LOL!
How are sales "plummeting" when there is a shortage and wait for so many Toyota models?
Long time Toyota owner. Local dealer, Glen Motors in Fair Lawn added a $2000 $3000 added on price. Our family drove to Pittsburgh PA to buy at sticker. Now I'm MADD at local dealer and avoid them. They will wake up. I also drive a 2020 Lexus RX-350. Look at KIA and Hyunday engine problems. YES, huge warranted with issues being posted. Not ready for Korean cars.
CHEAP ISN'T GOOD AND GOOD ISN'T CHEAP
I tried to trade my 2020 Toyota Avalon hybrid limited in excellent condition 59113 miles fo a 2024 Toyota RAV 4 SXE hybrid at MSRP and was offered wholesale price for my trade so I went to KIA and traded for a 2025 Sportage SX prestige for a $2000 lower MSRP and I got a $5000 rebate off the MSRP and $5500 more for my trade and the Kia has many more options and safety features. I had purchased 9 Toyotas from this dealership in northern Kentucky but that was my last Toyota
Your new Kia has the 2.5 Smartstream. That's one of the best engines Hyundai/Kia currently offers. Just be sure to to do 5000 mile oil changes and you'll get a long life out of it.
I never did like Toyota in the first place. They had been hogging the market for so long. The general public had at one time had believed Toyota was the best vehicle on the road. Its about time Toyota cut back on production.
Just bought a '25 Lexus NX350h and '25 Camry XSE.....so I did my part. Camry was $38K out the door which is less than what I paid for my 2012 Prius Plug-In new.
Toyota is no more a peoples ( affordable ) car.
No Highlanders, Grand Highlanders, or Sienna's on lots. And they still have surcharges in many areas.
great opportunity for Kia and Hyundai. I would never buy one, but it seems like Toyota fans are really fed up. Seems like a natural place to go for the Toyota crowd who is now displeased.
This posting is silly. Toyota quality is just fine, thank you. Everyman Driver is a "the sky is falling" kind of channel. Clicks and views with silly and/or controversial comments not based upon facts.
Idk what this is all about. Toyota was top sales in US. Rav4 is top seller and up 10%. Top trim models are hard to get and are presold prior to arriving. Camry is by far best selling sedan.
Im going to keep my 2012 Buick Enclave
What are Toyota's inventory numbers? Latest US numbers are 41 days. So color me skeptical.
4 cylinder with a hybrid and a turbo added on is a concern - tundra had engine issues - high $$ coupled with subpar designs & weak economy - result less sales
Camery base used to be 21k not so long ago. Now good luck finding anything under 30k
Gravitating towards "Nissan"? Then why was Nissan reported as having only 12 to 14 months to find a merger partner? Nissan is reported as being unreliable by more than one source. Question now is will Honda merger help Nissan sales or pull Honda down?
I think a drop of 3.3% that he is referring to is definitely not sales plummeting and I agree with you they are definitely not gravitating to Nissan when Nissan could be bankrupt if the Honda merger doesn’t go through. This is sensational journalism at best.
What went wrong with Toyota giving you less and less every year but the prices are skyrocketing being greedy's Not Good.
1st car and we can't even get preapproved for a decent APR. We might as well just buy used with allin cash or a local credit union for financing but I doubt it.
lol meanwhile no toyota dealership will sell me a prius prime at a good price.
I was never a Toyota buyer but was simple and reliable and now that prices are through the roof on everything and no longer simple who will want to upgrade. More people will try and get that half million mile or more mark. Might look into something older myself.
I don't know where y'all are from but here in Massachusetts, Rav4 hybrid, Grand Highlander hybrid, and Prius are all sold out and we have to wait 2 to 4 weeks for new inventory. Toyota dealers here are doing better than ever. I don't know if this channel is credible.
The first dealbreaker for me is that I have to buy the absolute top of the line model to get a heated steering wheel - something I'd even pay the dealership to install if possible. The second thing is that their cars are EXPENSIVE and have had some very public reliability problems. I told a couple people to have a look at the Siena, but the markup on one is TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS over sticker. You'd have to own the stupid thing for 20 years to make that money back. No thanks. Their tech is also kinda lousy in a lot of their cars are very outdated. Just so much NOPE.
Gloves?