🇬🇧 ÖHLINS SUSPENSIONS TEST: PERFORMANCE, FEELING, LAP TIME, SETUP
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2020
- In this episode, I put the ÖHLINS Suspensions to the test on my Suzuki GSX-R1000R. What feeling do they offer? What improvement in lap time can I get? I also give you my front forks, rear shock and steering damper settings after a full day testing.
At the end of video I also show you exactly where and how the Öhlins Suspensions offer some gains with some data analysis.
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Would be interesting to see what your tires look like after a session. Meaning your tire wear. Also would be great if you could share the data for a couple of laps. I would like some data to analyze for myself and compare your graphs.
Hi, tire wear was uniform and looking good after the day in Mallory.
You can compare your GPS datas with my laps in Mallory, Donington, Cadwell and Oulton on www.serious-racing.com + watch my onboard laps 😎👍🏻
I'd also be curious to know if the better suspension has a positive effect on tire wear
Video length: 15 minutes 57 seconds.
Uploaded: 43 seconds ago.
Likes: 5.
They know it's good.
Sylvain is the king for a brand that wants to be even closer to its customers.
New rider: "I need more power! Give me the exhaust, power commander, dyno tune - ALL ZE POWER!"
Experienced rider. "Let's just sort the suspension..."
...and then flash&tune the ecu sw/maps, to get smooth usable power out or engine.
...suspension technician “let’s just do the front first”
Spike Robinson sort one thing at once 👌🏻
Forget power. Lose weight (bike and rider 😂)
I sort just suspension, just because I can’t afford modifying engine. Haha
Less than 3 seconds off the outright lap record on a road bike?! Damn impressive.
For sure, that's why he's a wsbk champ huh?!
He knows how to drive , if I would go there with the same motorbike I would embarrass myself😂
Great inspiration and such a great benefit for all of us, the amateurs - when a world champ goes vlogging about our all time 'why' and 'how to'.
#AllesSilvain50
You found 1.6s a lap (and cut the gap to the record by 35%) for ~3500 pounds. That is HUGE value for money when chasing tenths. Looking forward to what you can find on some race tires in good weather. Great video.
Thanks a bunch for the break down of the suspension upgrade. As usual your explanations are clear and extremely helpful.
Amazing video!!!
Very nice to see the improvement the Ohllins parts have produced!!!
Thanks a lot for making this video and for sharing with us!!!
Have a good one!!!
Clear communication. Great video. Thanks to all that contributed.
What fantastic detail for us mere mortals. Great series Sylvain 👍🏻
Great channel! The level of detail and explanations to provide understanding are tremendous.
This is such an amazing series , brilliant ! 👍
Very instructional. I’ve always wondered about the real difference Ohlins can make. Now we know. Keep up the great work Sylvain.
I really like how deep you go into the riding dynamics and break it down so well. Great great teaching! It's a rare skill, teaching effectively. Take a bow.
This man is an absolute Boss...!
Yes boss
These videos are just brilliant for all us novice track day punters! Information is easy to understand . Genius rider and communicator. Love it Sylvain!
Thanks for the great information! Some of the adjustments you made I had never heard of before, like how the fork oil level affects the bottom of stroke feel. I always learn something new when you’re around 🤘🏼
Thanks your videos are very useful. I wish you good luck for this chanel . You are really helping many riders who dreams about being in MotoGP but they can't . You are really a great teacher as well.
Sylva in just awesome keep up the good work. Loving data analysis after track for an enthusiast like myself who is obsessed with bikes and racing this ticks all the boxeses 👍👍👍
Your videos keep getting better and better, better video quality (from what I could see, definitely when you and Andy were speaking towards the end), better audio quality, some nice editing tricks (really slick how you brought the component prices/stats in and out).
Thanks so much for sharing with us!
Amazing video! A lot of work went into making this. Thanks for showing us the differences in what suspension can do for the bike. Keep up the the great work 😁👍👍
Fascinating to watch, the speed curve on the data map looked smoother with the Ohlins set up. Visible gains. 👍
What a sick content ! Thanks Sylvain for all you're doing here. By far, you own the most interesting bike specialised UA-cam channel 🙂 Had the chance to meet you at the 2016 EICMA. You talked with me for few minutes (in French ! 😉), I felt blessed, as you were very humble and nice. Keep the good work 🙂
Sylvain, I always figured you for a good guy, and I was right! Thanks for these videos. Super enjoying them and this series.
The best Ohlins commercial! Great video! Thanks!
Great content as always! Thank you for sharing Sylvain!
Amazing video Sylvain! Thanks, keep up the good work!
Great quality video again as usual. Really enjoying the journey you're taking on the new GSXR1000R.
This is great! It's all the top level secrets in the how and why but without actually giving away secrets to your racing competition because it's a standard road bike.
Quickly becoming one of the best channels on YT!
Thank you for your honest and humble videos and reviews. Just the fact you are a MotoGP/Pro rider making videos for us fans makes you more credible. You are the best moto youtuber out there. If you ever come to Southern California let me know! Will support you best way possible and show you around!👍🙏
Silvayn a Yoshimura its a must please
Excellent, I'm really enjoying your videos Sylvain. You have a very enthusiastic and engaging style, that would be perfect for BT Sport or Eurosport once you decide that your professional riding days are behind you 👍👍
Wish I looked that fast going into the hairpin, cracking video Sylvain, very informative including going into the data
Just want to say thank you for these videos they're very informative. 👍
Many riders underestimate the difference good suspension and brakes can make. I've had many supersport bikes which were sprung too light with shitty oil/valves. Ever had the feeling of the forks bottoming out and you feel like you're on cobblestones? Ever brake hard and have the rear tire bounce around? Ever feel wobbly in a corner? Yeah, all that's suspension and could be fixed for less than $500 on the cheap. It will improve your laptimes and street riding experience more than any engine upgrade would. Brakes are the same deal. I have Brembo Monoblocs on my bike and they're incredible. Steel lines and a good Radial master brake cylinder make a world of difference.
With my 90HP Hypermotard I was outlapping guys on 160hp+ bikes because I could go later on the brakes, hold more speed in corners and get out quicker.
yeah, i've just fitted an Ohlins shock to my old RSV MILLE, reavalved the forks new springs and yeah the confidence it gives throgh the turns is impressive, nice to see a pro has the same conclusions
Not only a quick racer but a very good with machine set up and an awesome development role,, just subscribed to the channel and very glad I did,, thank you for the video awesome viewing from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated, ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
I very much appreciate your video!👍
I am also blessed to ride a 2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF LE with wings which wears Ohlins front and rear. IMHO they make me a better rider... and that is what I'm here for, not just lap times.
Thanks again, really enjoying and learning from your posts 🏍️😁👍
And this guys, is how you do marketing! Great video Sylvain
Awesome videos, great to watch......please keep them going 👍
Another mega video! Top work fella
Production is awesome mate. Good stuff
Best channel on YT.
Extremely informative and useful content!
Keep this coming Sylvain, your videos are amazing, I want to have a bike sometime ( I’m looking at the Kawasaki Ninja 125 or the Suzuki GSXR 125), your videos educate me so well done 👍👍
That was awesome … as usual ! Now you need to give your Session the full Öhlins treatment 😉.
Fast becoming a great UA-cam channel. Tribute to Sylvain for investing his time and energy into illustrating to us mere mortals an insight into his technical experience and riding skill in a way that's genuinely interesting, understandable and above all fun.
Great video and comparison, very interesting for me as a GSXR 1000 R rider on the race track. I had some problems adjusting the stock front forks as they bottomed out on the brakes no matter what I changed. Rider weight 75kg wirhout riding gear. First thing I did was changing the springs to 10,5s which already helped but not sollen the problem, even wirh compressiom almost closed. Then I raised the front from stock 16mm length over the upper clamp to 7mm, so I raised the front 9mm to remove some load from the front wheel. Again better stability on the brakes, a bit worse handling while turning but still okay and it still bottomed out. Tried 25 and 30mm rider sag (wirh warm oil), but it did not solve the problem. In that time I also installed a new rear shock with adjustible length and turned it from 313 to 318mm for handling purpose and it gave me better handling and rear grip while not making the front feel worse under braking. I sent the forks to a suspension tuner for a revalve but still the same problem. Now I bought the Öhlins FGRT 224 forks wirh a paar of 10s and 11s springs for this bike and hope I can set them up correctly to finally solve this problems. What would your suggestion be wirh the stock forks in this situation because even changing the braking style to slowly touch the front brake and them increasing whe pressure did not help. One possibility would have been 11s springs or Mode fork oil but I think in terms of sag and some handling situations that might have caused some other problems or what do you think? Another idea was that the rear shocks rebound might have forced the to forks to collapse quicker and I had the feeling that the rear was pushing the bike from the back due the increased rear grip from the shock. Lap times are always about the middle of the fastest group and tires were Dunlops D213 120/70 and 200/60 both in MS2. Had many people who just raised their shoulders because nothing worked and they had no Mode ideas. What would you try first in such a situation? Currently I think I will start with completly stock geometry with the new fgrt forks and see how they and the rest of the bike handle at about 80-90% speed and the do one step after the other. Sorry for these many questions...thank xou in advance and greetings from germany! Stay safe and healthy!
Very informative, thanks Sylvain. Just shows making the suspension ‘harder’ isnt the optimum even on track.
Massively underrated. His potential is too good. He needs more viewers count at least. ❤️👍🏻
What do you mean by 'potential '?
Class Sylvan. Thank you👍
I did enjoy it, and you are great at explaining the intricacies of bike performance. I think it would be great to hear stories of your time in WSBK or throughout you incredible career...all the best.
next time in one of my live chats, ask me what you want to know about WSBK 👍🏼
Absolutely fascinating video, The data from the GoPro is amazing. 3 seconds off the outright lap time on road tyres and stock exhaust is amazing, surely thats the next to go? Ohh and you had your mirrors sticking out!
I know, a few mph lost in drag 😜
@@SylvainGuintoli 🤣🤣
love your videos.
legend as always
Notification squad. Gonna enjoy watching this in my hammock. 😀👍
Fantastic video and analysis Sylvain. Thank you for taking the time to do a detailed analysis and proving that stock bikes these days are so good out of the factory.
Q: How would you rate the tyre wear with this setup vs stock? Any difference?
Fantastic content 👍
Makes me want to buy the GSXR
Go for it.. :) The Variable Valve Timing engine on these bikes are also very sweet... Simply sublime..
It’s certainly a good advert 💪🏻👍🏼....just love my k5 too much to warrant a swap
Just got a 2015 gsxr 1000 the thing is nuts!!!!
Nice set-up and nice suits you have
This is awesome
brilliant video Sylvain! Just needs some onboard footage, but thanks for the great content!
awesome info, imagine having a comparison with average debate change exhaust and PCV vs suspension change
I only trust and buy ÖHLINS! Best damping in the world for both bikes and cars, was at their HQ in Upplands Väsby 2 decades ago, amazing factory, saw the Motogp bikes. So conclusion is that FKR front cartridge and TTX rear is the way to go! Merci
outstanding
I got full Ohlins on my K6 1000 best handling bike I have ridden and I been riding over 10 years. Got the full cartridge kit, damper, and shock, and ride on Pirellis
Awesome stuff. When you replace the tires, I'd like to see this comparison again. And for giggles, you should break the lap record for that track. You know you can lol
without a proper SBK bike, it is impossible.
Terrific videos. I would like a video on how teams change the rear wheel so fast. Takes me a lot longer sorting the sensors and getting the chain tension correct.
Ride on.
Racing Teams have special systems to change the wheels quick. Best ones is in EWC, Team Suzuki-Yoshimura at the Suzuka 8H can change both wheels + refuel in 12 secondes 🔥
What a top bloke 😎
Top video.
I hope Suzuki will offer good electronic suspensions on their next gixer...just because I'd like to watch you testing them
So what this video says to me, and rightfully so is, if you're a RACER, and you're looking for that last 1.6 seconds it might be worth spending $3500 on Ohlins suspension upgrades. Oh, and if you have your own Ohlins technician on hand and a day or two of private access to a road course. At that point, is when you really need Ohlins suspension. Otherwise, for the vast vast vast majority of riders, even track riders, the OE suspension is perfectly fine and just something as simple as better tires, tuning the OE suspension, is really all that's needed.
2013 gsxr1000, I went ohlins nix cartridges and same rear shock ohlins ttx gp. Same setup that won Australian superbike championship that year- no complaints , front forks flush rear ride height on shock 2mm to stop tank slappers - need to playground with compression on forks as a little bit harsh for our West Australian roads but cheaper and faster than a Ducati with these mods cheers Tim
Wow!! The channel intro.
Looks like your on the right track!
You've figured out one part of my design from 2015!
Can you figure out the other 35x changes to get her working to win a Championship?
You have the suspension settings wrong but your on the correct path
11:55 I'd spend much money too, on a set of Ohlins rather than paying for a Windows 10 license !!! :P :P Thumbs up for your GSXR series of videos.
Great basic setup information sharing for someone who wants to figure out what every setting does and go on improving his laptimes.
Stay safe, thumbs up again! :)
Great video, can you test next time with some really sticky tyres. I used to think that the first thing would be to get the best tyres possible for track days but those types of tyres wear down fast and are quite costly. It makes more sense to upgrade the suspension first as it is not a consumable like rubber. 3k for Ohlins, that's around 10/11 sets of tyres.
Good presentation for Ohlins. Take my money.
Awesome video man!!! I have a question, what’s this program that you use to analyze your data?? Thank you so much for this content!!
Fantastic as always, thank you. I replaced my standard suspension with Ohlins FGRT forks and a TTX GP shock. It would be great to see how you feel my current settings could be improved. Investing in great suspension is one thing, finding that balance and extracting their full potential is another.
It would also have been interesting to see how the stock suspension with the swingarm pivot in the race mode would have impacted lap times. With the steeper swingarm angle there should be less squat accelerating out of turns.
Very cool and informative vid, TY! I’m curious what kind-brand of GPS data acquisition system you’re using?
How I can like more than once? Now seriously, your videos are from different motorcycle planet.
Merci Sylvain for this great video.
Just a caveat for the viewers who might be tempted to throw their money away:
**** The Ohlins forks and shock do not come with the Ohlins technician. ***
Adjust-ability is the main benefits of this hardware and without the help of a knowledgeable person you might end up with a setup worse than stock.
Next video: Sylvain installs carbon wheels on his GSX-R and breaks the lap record!
I have finally got my showa forks tuned to a liking.... After a rebuild with springs and valves. The big down side of the bff forks is the upper bushing is too narrow
Learning heaps, your a fucking Legend.
Thanks Sylv.
Fascinating as always. Would love to get the chance to ride a bike equipped with this level of suspension (have Maxton on my race bike). That GPS analysis - was that all derived from your GoPro and uploaded to serious-racing? If so, I’ve got to get myself a GoPro now that the season is starting again!! Merci Sylvain 👌
Yes, this is GoPro GPS data, you can upload it in serious-racing or RaceChronoPro
I bought a 675R for a trackday bike due to the Ohlins. Happy with my decision.
I had one for track days, brilliant bike, it’s a giant killer 👍
The problem with that kind of suspensions, if you aren't able to set them up well they can be a disaster. The OEM is not has good when the setup is great, but easier to setup
Really useful information Sylvain..I'm actually moving away from gen 1 BMW to GSXR 1000 2019 Onwards so will likely use your setup as a base for super stock spec club racing..please could you tell me what gearing or more importantly swingarm length best suited the British race tracks..did you run with the standard length on 118 or 120 chain ? Good luck with the new chapter on the BMW..As a big team, so far so good 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Champ
Brilliant 🍺
You Mentioned rear shock length, is that on the bench or installed with weight?
Fork length would also be great .
Thanks
Great videos, question. Is there a way to disconnect the gsxr1000r abs just for the track and easily connect it back for the street? Thanks
Hi,
now thats a good comparison!
Question: What Software did you use for the Dataanalysis and was it only fed with GPS Data? Did not look like one of the tools you've mentioned in your Tutorial...
Hi Sylvain- is technology similar between the stock front suspension showa bff and the onlins… ? Thanks in advance - your content is very helpful
Love your videos. I know you did a video on rear braking. I would just like to know how do you brake in general do you do all the braking before the corner an then turn in? Are you on the brakes through the corner? Will be interesting to know.
Strongest braking is done with the bike as straight as possible, then I release progressively the front brake pressure as I lean the bike in. The more lean, the less braking pressure... until it’s time to get back in the throttle
Sylvain, nice informative video in the impact of suspension upgrades.
When I inquired about the the FKR-100 kit (FKR 118) with Ohlins in Sweden for my GSXR-1000R 2020 the advise was that the kit was not suitable for 2017 GSXR1000-R BFF fork. So I am a bit confused. Did you have something special made using the FKR system? Can you share Ohlins UK contact information so I could clarify. The website for Ohlins UK that I found does not list the GSXR-1000R model in their drop down menu either ...
Really glad I paid $3k more for the R model- mostly for the upgraded suspension. FFS could have got the base model and bought O front and rear for barely more. Not a good promotion for Suzuki.
Why? You probably wouldn’t get near the limits of the OEM suspension, let alone get any further benefits from Ohlins.
@@flamintasty for someone that doesn’t have one video of themselves doing ANYTHING ya sure do talk a-lot of trash… those who can’t post nothing but 💩
Great vid once again! One question Sylvain.. what gps unit do you use on track?
This datas were recorded with the integrated GPS from my GoPro Hero7 black
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Then I used the RaceTechnology software to read the datas.
Since there are not many left turns, I am curious isn't it possible to run on the opposite direction on this track, so you can scrub both tires the same way? I apologize in advance, if my question is naive, as I am very far from an expert. I love your channel by the way! It's one of my favorites!