Is The Catholic Church a Force for Evil?
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Journalism is about capturing what is uncommon and unusual. It is about discovering that rare exception in the events of the day, and making it the exclusive preoccupation for public consumption and discussion.
And, unfortunately, this obsessive preoccupation with the uncommon occurrence has trained us to treat the exception as the norm and to form our understanding of the world, each other, and ourselves according to it.
And this laundered perception of reality is no more obvious than the way that non-Christians perceive Christianity and the Church.
This is why everyone believes that the Church has always been opposed to science. Because we all know about Galileo. His story characterizes one of less than a handful that always get carted out to support the theory of the conflict between scientific progress and the Church.
But if you wanted to talk about all the clergyman and devout Catholics who spent their lives contributing to the deposit of scientific knowledge, under the enthusiastic financial patronage of the Church, you’d have to alphabetize them because names starting with a single letter would fill a page.
All of the horrible things people first think of when they think of the Catholic Church are instances of exceptions. They commemorate the times when members of the Church failed to live up to the creed that they professed to adhere to.
It’s the exception that proves the rule. If you can be shocked by corruption it’s because that isn’t the norm. If it were, you wouldn’t be shocked by it.
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I have a long held theory. I used to work in a call centre for cable TV and internet services. People only called in when they had a problem. We never hear from those who were happy with their services. People working there heard almost nothing but complaining customers all day long. Of course you're going to get a bad impression of the company as a whole. Just like you dont go to the doctor just to say you're feeling good and healthy. The news is just the noteworthy, mostly bad, things that happen in the world. Its a negativity bias. Its not a complete picture of the state of things.
I did once and the caller from the electrical company didn’t know what to say…I was really impressed with how fast my power came back on whenever we had a blackout..I needed to tell them how pleased I was with them..the caller didn’t know how to respond cause “they never got a compliment before”. We really live in backward times.
One time after hearing my confession, the priest asked some follow-up questions which I answered.
He said, "So you are doing some good."
I replied, "I'm not here to tell you how good I am."
Penitents must try to justify themselves in confession but I brought only my sins to the table by mistake confusing my confessor.
Only its worse because the news does not reflect actual crime statistics when choosing which stories to broadcast and how they present them. The news would look like an episode of Cops from the 90s.
Well put.
"an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure"
While it is true that many (most?) people who want to bash the Catholic Church use Galileo as an example of the "unscientific atrocities" committed by the Catholic Church. But, if you dig into the scenario surrounding Galileo and the Church, a number of interesting things surface.
1) _Who sponsored Galileo to carry out his research that many claim upset the Church so much?_ *Pope Urban VIII*
2) _Where did Galileo perform much of his research?_ *The Vatican Observatory - one of the best in the world at the time.*
3) _What data did Galileo base much of his research on?_ *The data gathered by Fr. Nicolaus Copernicus.*
4) _What was the "sin" committed by Galileo that caused such division between him and the Church?_ *Galileo refused to follow standard scientific protocols and await acceptance of his findings by the scientific community of the day before demanding that his findings were accurate.*
And on and on. The true story of Galileo is quite different than the standard anti-Catholic rhetoric you hear.
I think that USA as an English speaking country with ties to England….have all the biases of that are basically Englands world view. Their dislike of the Catholic Church being one of these. They seemed to have put out much anti catholic propaganda. Galileo was one of these.
If we were a multi-language nation, our world view would not be so narrow.
My father watched Spanish TV news channels (south TX) because got much more world news and different views.
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@@1965startrekmaybe, but not in this case. Even here in Brazil, "the biggest catholic country", such lies about Galileo and the Church are common place.
At the time of his death, Galileo was under house arrest, a sentence imposed by the Roman Catholic Church in 1633 because of his support for the heliocentric model of the solar system, which was controversial at the time.
@@blazel462 actually no. He was under arrest because he refused to use the scientific method to show his model was true. Turns out his math was wrong. He was teaching it as fact and not theory.
You have been brainshwashed. It was the Pope himself who paid for his Galileo’s work and allowed him to work in the most prestigious lab of that time.
And it’s just the CATHOLIC Church. There’s 250M eastern Catholics. Roman is the Rite not the name of the Church.
There have been marvelous, faithful priests in my life. ….60+ years as a convert. The first draw to the church was Truth! Prime Mover! Reason!
In the end, becoming Catholic is a step of faith. But to be open to faith first requires answers to all the World’s put downs. All the facial allegations the are thrown at Christian’s.
Those great, faithful priests were a first view of Something Special that I wanted too. A joyful, fun class of men who spoke with love & authority. And true masculinity.
I'll never respect a church that protects and helps pedophiles do more pedophiles things. These are the facts. And that's the tip of the iceberg of all the evil the Catholic church has committed.
That people don't typically understand that the good the church has done is literally immeasurable astounds me. But claiming the church to be evil makes ignorant and non-edgy people sound smart and edgy to the ignorant and non-edgy.
Name a few good things please.
@@Cryptosifu A great deal of the scientific enlightenment was done by the Church. Namely the Jesuits. Many people choose church inquisitors over local bailiffs or sheriffs because they got a much more fair trial. The Crusades kept Europe from being conquered by Islamic Caliphates. The Church was also a positive influence in Renaissance art.
I agree with Rick, name some good things. Calling the church out for what it has done (and continues to do) is perceptive and shows discernment. Calling perceptive people ignorant shows low character and willful ignorance.
@@Cryptosifu well, if you have to make that comment, shows how ignorant and hardened heart you are. No excuses for modern man to be that lame, the internet is right there at your fingertips to do the research.
Oh Lord have mercy, please don't tell me you don't know how to use the internet?
@@marshalmcdonald7476 So what is your denomination?
"The growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs." - George Eliot
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That is because their lives were hidden in Christ - without Him nothing is of any worth.
One of your best videos. Fantastic point of view that's never occurred to me. Will carry this forward in defending the church and hopefully evangelizing.
I’ve heard it said, mainstream news is all about outliers. If we obsess over the outliers, we will miss out on the actual experience of most people.
So we’ll said! Thanks 🙏
Another exceptional lesson. Thank you.
While not proud of the Catholic Churches missteps over the last 2000+ years, I'm also not embarrassed by them either. I feel like the fact the church acknowledges both the good and bad moments of history actually strengthens my faith. It means that if the flawed people before me can serve and be used by God, then there's a chance God can use me also.
I love how God uses those who serve him, but I love even more how God can unwittingly use those who have no or negative interest to do his will despite their intentions. It gives me hope during my dark times and shows me who is actually in charge in the world we live in.
The Roman Catholic Church is only 1000 years old. The first millennium Church was Orthodox.
@@Hope_Boatno, the Catholic Church was always Catholic. The Orthodox churches used to be part of the Catholic Church until the schism.
@@Hope_BoatSt Peter - chosen by Christ Himself - first Pope.
@@afterlate8866 The title Pope was first given to the Bishop of Alexandria in Egypt.
Our Lord Jesus gave to Simon the title Peter (Stone) and all Christians have that same title as they all become living stones of the Church.
Also Saint Peter established two chairs, the first being Antioch, the holy see of the Eastern Church. Then he went to Italy and established the chair of Rome and the Church of the West. When you celebrate the feast of saint Peter on February 22, it's the chair in Antioch.
@Hope_Boat that’s a truck load of Protestant perversion. Jesus clearly established church on Peter. It cannot be more explicit.
Btw the meaning of Peter is not stone, it’s rock.
When the Catholics screw up, it can be pretty epic. But balanced against that is the everyday force for good they are. They soothe the bereaved, they counsel the lonely, the build hospitals, they preach good works, the teach children art and science and literature, the list goes on. Sinners hate them because they interfere with their sinning but they do encourage them to do better which sometimes actually works. I'm sure that despite all the bad things, on the balance, they are a force for great good. I am, however, very worried about the current Pope and what the future holds...
There have been good & bad Popes throughout history. We don't jump overboard because of stormy seas, or leap out of the plane during turbulence. It's the height of arrogance.
What a very moving speech. An exquisite example.
Just a few days ago a group of Spanish priests became instantly famous for one unfortunate remark of one of them on a UA-cam conversation. Media didn’t bother to check on the context, or who they were, or what was their background. They were simply mass cancelled and had to shut down their channel.
It is so sad how faithless Spain has become.
It was an unfortunate remark of one, supported by others, in which they claimed they were praying to God “for the Pope to go to heaven soon”. And these are Catholic priests? When was that bar lowered so much?
@@AJBayesta Should they pray for this current Pope to go to hell soon? The current Pope is very questionable with his ideas.
Asking that the Pope go to heaven is far from totally evil. Maybe a little boneheaded but I would like to know the context.
@@robertdolcetti450 It was in the introduction to a webinar on the proper way to receive Communion. The fist person to speak introduced himself and said that he prayed for Pope Francis to go to heaven and then some of the other priests followed his cue. Wishing for the Pope to die does not seem very Catholic to me and is the opposite of what I would expect of a priest.
If you were to add up only the charitable endeavors over the centuries... yeah, its done a freaking metric ton of good. It has far more positively effected both the people and the world around it.
Wonderful. Again!
Really enjoyed this! All the wonderful details of beautiful Catholic art, architecture, science, medicine, philosophy, and oh yeah faith. Based on the teachings of God through His Son…our Lord Jesus Christ. It’s history is massive and while yes much error..much wonder has also happened.
Once again a very well balanced and articulate point of view. What a blessing 😊
This is a really good monologue Brian, nice work.
When confronted by naysayers about Church scandal I always retorted when your bastion is 2,000 years old let's see how clean it's linen is
I like that. I'm gonna have to borrow it.
thank-you@@reinedire7872
My retort is “just as you won’t disparage Beethoven when some tone deaf musician badly performs his masterpieces, so too it is pointless, to blame the church for the sins of its heretics and sinful flock.
EXCELLENT content. Thank you.
Very good take.
It’s called virtue, and no church on this planet has any. Idolatry is not a virtue, wanting a cookie for being good to people is not a virtue.
I am glad that you, mr. Holdsworth, noticed this phenomenon. Watching and participating in countless internet debates I noticed that the main problem with debating most of basic non-believers or sceptics on Catholic faith is that you will inevitably have to argue about "the Crusades", "the Inquisition", "witch burnings", "flat-earth" or some other overexaggerated narrative. Those narratives alone are for these people somehow more than enough to reject the whole deposit of faith.
how about the psychological abuse of children - scaring the sh-t out of them with theats of hell - my daughter was told a 'bible' story of how a man cut off his own daughters head - my kid was 6 at the time - her sobbing from her bedroom woke me and her mum up - we went to see what was wrong. You see - this puts the idea in a childs mind that a parent could do this to them - it breaks the trust bond of the parent. Then there's the gory tortuous lifesize and lifelike cricifixes everywhere. My friends from UK visited us - their kids were scared out of their mind when they saw them, - it totally freaked them out - yet kids who are brought up with this horror every day have no fear or compassion - seared out of them. And in many churches - huge grotesque murals of scenes of hell - or of scenes of torture. I despise how the catholics target the minds of children and reshape them to become brainwashed followers through fear and manipulation. Disgusting.
The greatest trick the devil did was to convince the world he didn’t exist.
Catholic Church seems to be almost his church in plain view.
Thank you.
Fully take these points! However the Church can become complicit to an “exception” when there’s a systemic cover up to protect itself and not God’s word.
That’s why the initial responses to abuse scandals (Catholic and Protestant) caused such damage. When accountability has demonstrably failed, it casts a pall of suspicion over the good shepherds. It’ll take generations to rebuild that trust again.
Excellent
Exceptionally well articulated!
Interview David Torkington.
We do forget how amazing flying planes are. I wish we had more of the wonder & thankfulness of my great-grandparents, grandparents, & a little of my parents’ experiences where the world from walking or riding a horse or in a wagon to the invention of cars to most ripple owning a car & flying in planes. They saw inventions like refrigerators, electricity, tvs, washing machines & dryers, etc.
Great thoughts, as always.
What priest is he talking about in the title of this video? Did I pass out and miss it?! 🤨
I feel dumb. I get it now.
@@MikePasqqsaPekiM Is the point how no one notices when the clergy isn't doing something wrong?
@@igorlopes7589 yes
2:18 On the other side of the world?
Vienna ~ NewYork and back was not direct when I was a child. One change in London, one in Dublin.
Stockholm ~ Rome and back, Frankfurt ~ Malmö, once I think Vienna ~ Malmö ...far closer than the other side of the world.
And cosier. I think shorter flights are at least as common.
From what i have read, the really laughable irony of the infamous Galileo case was the Church was more than emboldened to go after Galileo because the respectable mainstream scientists of the time thought Galileo was a loon. I cannot find the quote, but JPII warned that the Galileo case was the reason that the Church should never use science as a support for spiritual truths, because by its very definition true science often changes with the times.
But Thomas Aquinas was a philosopher of (Aristotelian & Ptolemaic) science. That's where he got his key form-matter distinction.
@po18guy and of course science tells is how (with the possibility of being wrong) but it can never tell us why!
May God bless the Catholic Church
I'm sure he is weeping at the catholic church and how divorced from the true message of Jesus it is...why would he want his house built on a foundation of tortured, abused bones floating on a sea of blood. Christianity should be clean and transparent - truthful and loving - free and caring. All the things the catholics are not.
6:28 I think an example would be the Bishop of Meißen-Dresden, whom the Nazis deprived of a driver's licence over a speeding ticket.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrus_Legge#Behinderungen_w%C3%A4hrend_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus
Maybe we should organize the news by how it reflects reality instead of highlighting the rare, exceptional, and usually negative stuff. Of course, as long as journalism is a profit-motivated venture, that's never going to happen. In fact, it's pretty rare that anything good comes of people doing things solely to seek profit.
A very good topic about the exception being the highlight of every news and media rather than the norms. But did the title of this video get mistakenly worded for this video by any chance? Didn’t get any connection about “this priest”. Or is it that most priests do nothing wrong and are therefore never in the news☺️
Well I’m no longer shocked so we may have a problem
When John on the Isle of Patmos received his vision from our LORD Jesus Christ, and was asked to describe it in his own words, how would he write that he saw the son of man flying in an aeroplane. Maybe He is coming on the clouds of heaven???
That debate (if you refer to the one featuring Stephen Fry and the other very eloquent militant atheist) was insanely dishonest, a pathetic circus. The choice of debaters itself was clearly designed to misrepresent the Church.
My vision of the Church is that it's a beacon of light, the body of Christ, an institution that brings God to people. Not only in the purely religious sense of spreading the word, but also by way of actions, by doing God's will though acts of charity.
It certainly was a beacon of light in my life, bringing me out of a darkness, and I think it's undeniable that this was its effect in the World as well.
The Church's effect on history was essentially as an incubator for the modern world -- the technology and universalism that her critics love so much. The Church as an institution gave birth to the scientific revolution -- not only physically through universities, but also metaphysically through its metaphysics. The body of Christ gave birth to the ideals of the Enlightenment, to the point that its most famous documents opens by saying "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are (created) equal."
Even when I was an Atheist, I used to look at Christianity with gratitude rather than disdain. I believe that a sincere look at history, raised as truly secular rather than anti-theist, would give this view.
However, you have to realize that sometimes people's experience with Christianity is different. Rather than a beacon of light that shows you Godliness, it truly is oppressive. In Southern America, Christianity is none of those things: It's not open to science, open to truth, it's a tribal identity that you take to distinguish you from the world. A cave of darkness that you retreat to, instead of a beacon of light that shines on everybody.
If that's what they're referring to, I can understand thinking that Christianity is a force for evil. But in these cases, it's a deturpation of Christianity, a misunderstanding of it.
The Renaissance was brought by Platonism. The whole dark medieval started after Justinian I closed the Neoplatonic Academy, and ended when Cosimo de'Medici refund Plato's Academy at Florence. Modern world and ancient world both thrives upon Platonism.
Thanks, another Important point! we have indeed lost the narrative on these things, not least on the abuse crisis. But, one exception is the philosophy of science.
The Galileo case was not an outlier here, but the beginning of our continual failure to take account of the newly discovered unity of the human environment. For human observation has now been revealed as continually linking physical things up as a seamless, unified, ecosystem across space and time. Especially post-Einstein, formality and teleology are part of this interweaving cosmos -- not discontinuities indicating META-physical principles as proposed by the scholastic philosophy of the Aristotelian and Ptolemaic physical universe.
Sadly, this latter, now counter-intuitive, ontology is still often relied upon by the Catholic proofs of God and the soul. When Bishop Barron and others ask why most young people cite that science is against religion, I submit this answer: They rightly intuit that “science will explain” explanatory gaps within the physical world. Trying to convince our technological culture that it all needs explanation, as we should, needs something else than intra-cosmic gaps such as physical formality or 'prime movers'.
How would you begin to prove an entity that is by definition outside space and time and not material but the material sciences?
Many thanks ... a key question. Given that the discontinuities in the space-time fabric posited by medieval Catholicism have dissolved we desperately need new ways of rationally proving the non-physical God and soul (pace Vatican I).
We should start by acknowledging that the human observer of our predictable space-time environment is already outside of it.
This is shown by the nature of human action which transcends the deterministic behavior, within the limits of its ecological niche, of the objects of physics, chemistry, biology and animal science. This is witnessed by both the subjective phenomenology (our free moral responsibility is fundamental to the intelligibility of our experience) and by the objective behaviour of the human body (which transcends the limits of our ecological niche).@@m_d1905
Clinging to a highly fallible centralized institution as your sole source of doctrine is not the best for completing sanctification.
oh, great modern man, please tell the whole world the correct path you discovered in light of the 2000yrs of Christianity's history.
Indeed, for his path is the path of Sola Scriptura. A path so incoherent and idiotic that it boggles the mind.
@@robertdolcetti450 Christ and the Apostles were clear enough on the direction of the Church. And Sola Scriptura is part of the Magisterial Reformation; I'm an Anabaptist.
Then what is your central authority that speaks? If the answer is none then you are unmoored or just confused.
Also, if Jesus and the Apostles were so clear, then why was Paedobaptism the common church practice for a millennia and a half?
@@robertdolcetti450 By central authority do you mean headship of the Church? If that is what you mean then the answer is Jesus. And my central doctrine would be the Teaching on the Mountain (Matthew 5-7). The Church is priestly people subdued together under Christ. My perspective on Church history is always from God's perspective; "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8, NKJV) Sometimes human conceit makes us forget it is God who is Holy. As for the doctrine of water baptism; "And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins" (Luke 3:3, NKJV) "Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:4, NKJV) "who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:20-21, NKJV) Peace be with you in your walk with Christ.
It's pure evil
Not a Roman Catholic, but any Catholic I've ever met who has matured in body and spiritual mind has always shown great signs of apologetics and character. Younger Catholics have been a bit arrogant at times, not everyone but many of them, but I figure these are important phases to go through for some. Anyhow, to count the wickedness of someone or some group is a count of the negatives, these don't detract from the counts of positives. Let these be separate counts and qualified for the security of the positives and severity of the negatives, let this whole of quantities and qualities be hermetically considered and indeed I think all Christians will be looked at as generally very good by a landslide.
- Your Quality Apologist
The Revelation of Christ to John teaches us that there are 7 churches before the Lord Christ. The roman catholic church is surely not one of the seven described, but can surely be called Satan's dogmatic and unique masterpiece.
If that's true then Jesus lied when he said, "The gates of hades shall not prevail against it."
Peter and Paul helped shape the Roman Church and if the Roman Church is demonic then God lies. Since He doesn't lie, the Roman Church is His, not satan's.
You are deranged and twisted. First of all, Revelations is very symbolic. Second of all, just as there is only one Church, there might be smaller churches associated with the singular capital C Church. Christ did not found seven distinct churches. He said to Peter “upon this rock I will build my Church”. Church is singular here. There is only one church founded on Peter, the Catholic Church.
We are all in the same boat.
Get everyone you know to put the Bible on their phone and listen to it daily.
And sing at least 1 worship song every day.
I cry tears of joy several times a day doing this, every day.
It helps me fly straight..er
yes, absolutely
I've subscribed because I learn the most from immersing myself in opposing views day and night.
Yes.
Based on what I currently seeing being taught and accepted by Roman Catholics towards young people, yes because it is in conflict with clear biblical teachings and church traditions. Issues include abortion in the positive, homosexuality (again in the positive), climate change, and the lack of need towards repentance as long as you are in the accepted political class which conflicts with the gospel itself just the name a few. If Roman Catholics actually cared for people, then many parish priests would be placing their members under discipline, and some of them would be placed on discipline as well, instead of being elevated for their clear violations of God's law as accepted traditionally by both Jews and Christians alike, regardless of historical traditions. This goes towards cardinals as well. The evil will one day be addressed by God, since many in leadership do not wish to address it within their own community. Young people need to know God's law and the bible based on Matthew 28. And since I am the enemy for believing and saying that by those who represent Rome then I am forced to call you all out for being a force of evil. This is not based on theological difference like the mass or the Eucharist or church government.
Flight, both of humans and birds, works because of the laws of physics, not in spite of them.
Yes
Read the book ‘The Great Contorversy’ it changed my life
In said video 3:11, the entire ordeal was a setup. From the audience to the moderator/host of "debate".
Can a good tree bear bad fruit? Scripture tells us otherwise.
Did you watch the video?
@@filiusvivam4315 It is generally considered bad form to answer a question with a question, and to presume the worst in others. If you answer mine I will answer yours. Can a good tree produce bad fruit?
@@nategraham6946 To be fair to filius, the rabbi who came up with your question did answer questions with questions. But I will answer it. A good tree can't bear bad fruits.
@@CafeteriaCatholic Thank you for your integrity. While I think that would be enough for me to make my point, I can respect of some don’t see the way I do. I disagree, but can respect their integrity to their beliefs. Now, as to answer his question, yes, I did in fact watch the whole video. Would be dishonest and condescending to comment without watching the entirety of the video. Don’t you agree?
By their fruits you shall know them refers to individuals. It is saying that *your* actions reveal who *you* are, and I think it's beyond dispute in both sides that a lot of medieval Popes are unfortunetely among the damned.
No it’s not. I’m so tired of this forced division in the world. We need to stop doing this. Catholics are saints as well.
At best you could say the laws of physics were manipulated. I think cheating the laws of physics takes it a bit too far. :)
Yes....the Pope visited Mongolia...to stir an apocalyptic évent.
I don’t know if you answered the question. You say that there have been evil things that have been perpetrated by people in the church, but how do you answer the question, “is the Catholic Church a force for evil”? What I’m taking away from this is that the “good” works that the church has done outweigh the evil works. Yes, we can say that those individuals were acting on their own and not as representatives of the church but that sounds to me like passing the buck. Does the church address the “evil” committed by its members the way it should? Does the church to treat those evil acts as anomalies that don’t really impact the group as a whole? God bless.
The idea that ”good deeds” outweights evil acts (merits of the saints etc) has always puzzled other christians (those who are not roman catholics). I guess the answer to his question can be answered as Yes, in the sense that evil things come out from it, just as evil things come out from any sinner. Another question one might ask is ”Would the world be a better place if rcc seized to exist?”. I believe (or hope) that any christian person would answer that question negatively, that is, the world would Not be a better place without rcc (and I am fully aware that I am skating on thin ice with this kind of talk)
I would agree with you. The world is a better place because of the RCC. However, making the world a better place does not equate to a world of people who have, by faith in Christ entered into eternal life. But I get where you're coming from. I have many RC friends and family and I'm deeply concerned for their eternal life. Take care.
Yeah but airline companies don’t claim their CEOs are the vicar of Christ then stigmatize non believers as worthy of eternal damnation… 😂
At one level you're quite right the 'good' in the church is overwhelming. BUT the church has as a basic tenent to represent -- no, champion -- the interests of the poor, the vulnerable, the outcast, the child. It is one of the ways the church distinguishes itself as a human organisation; it celebrates those who are rejected as 'useless', 'uproductive', 'ugly', 'sick' ...
When a fundamental structural element of the way the church organises itself -- clericalism -- has shown, over many years, to turn these people into victims, to essentially destroy their spirit, to set the lawyers on them and threaten their advocates, their is something deeply corrupt going on that any numbers game cannot 'rebalance'. It is the antithesis of what the church projects.
I watched a local program on TV (in Australia) that told the stories of individuals (now mostly adults) whose fathers were priests. In each story there were at least two victims: the mother who was taken advantage of and the child who spent a long time (with no help from, and often hostility from, the local church) looking for that missing 'something' in their lives. There are apparently hundreds of stories like this in Australia and hundreds and thousands in the world.
But, once again, the system that allows this to happen remains essentially unchanged. And we, as Catholics, have no way of making it change.
This is not a numbers game. These, along with all the other forms of abuse suffered by children at the hands of the church, are a sign of deep corruption.
so what does it say about modern mankind's corruption allowing the legalized MURDER of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of INNOCENT babies via ab_ort_ion.? I bet some "christians" are heavily involved in this culture of death.
This is more of a homosexual problem than an "institutional" problem. Just like "structural racism" or other nonsense leftist buzz phrases that imply total illegitimacy (and therefore justified destruction) of a particular institution. The priests who sinned and the bishops who abandoned their duties are deeply wrong, but sin is not somehow exclusive to the Catholic Church. This is the correct framing for this discussion.
@@JohnSmith-qx8ll The example I discussed was the fathering of children by priests. How is that a 'homosexual' problem?
@@tonycarey1735 I thought you were discussing sexual abuse by (homosexual) priests. So what exactly is your question? It seems like a variant of the reddit fedora atheist’s “if God real y bad thing happen?”
Why is there sin? Is that what you’re asking?
Sede Vacante is the only Catholic position to hold.
Good Catholics never publicize their good works. Its just not Catholic to brag. The good works are just so common place, its taken for granted. In other cultures, the taken for granted works would amaze people.
It's not bragging to state facts. Journalists are working for news outlets or to sell their articles. Journalists are all too aware of the saying, "If it bleeds it leads."
Fallen human nature wants to read or hear about gossip, and scandal.
The disease was as deadly as they said it was. Its initial run killed one out of every forty people who got it. That's pretty bad - slow rolling the spread of it over the next two years allowed us to slowly build immunity without the devastating consequences of letting everyone get it all at once - which the deadly waves of Delta in India showed was a bad public health approach. It has a mild profile now because everyone's had some exposure to it, and thus antibodies.
Now Galileo is indeed an anomaly - Jesuits have many scientists, the church has a significant observatory, and a priest, Gregor Mendel discovered how evolution actually worked.
I used to be a lecturer in a Catholic university. That was when I lost my faith.
The behavior of the priests and the "pious" lay people is not in accord with the scriptures. Sorry....
How weak was your faith for you to lose it so easily?
@@JohnSmith-qx8ll so, I'm just supposed to support an institution who harbors evil people, who creates scandal? I'm just supposed to go along with everyone and have "business as usual." No, unless there's a change in behavior and in governance, I will not tolerate this hipocrisy.
@@JohnSmith-qx8llVitriolic, ungracious people like you are often mentioned by people who leave the Church behind.
For good reason, I might add.
@@rmglabog So expose them and fight the abuses and scandal...or run like a coward. You clearly still have your sense of evil so there is no excuse. We need you. It is arrogant to believe you were the only one who felt this way and you could have gathered like minded individuals to impact change and edify but you chose to run and accuse. Now you can sit on your high horse like a coward and claim "at least I am not them". Bravo, well done.
📜 Jeremiah.7:2“Stand at the gate of the Lord’s house and there proclaim this message:
“ ‘Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah who come through these gates to worship the Lord.
3This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Reform your ways and your actions, and I will let you live in this place.
4Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!”
...17Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven.
They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger.
19But am I the one they are provoking? declares the Lord. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?
📜 Matthew.7:20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
📜 1Corinthians.10:11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
13No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind.
And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.
But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
and where was your faith tadition at the compilation and preservation of the Bible? smh, modern man, lazily sitting on the laurels of those original Bible compilers thinks they know better than any of them.
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📜 Galatians.4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
@@HebreosCincoDoce-nt8rx the Truth? U can't handle the FULL Truth.
Again, where was ur faith tradition at the compilation and preservation of the Bible?
For the love of God, plz be very honest and brave for Him.
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📜 John.4:22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
@@HebreosCincoDoce-nt8rx worship? I-dimensional, shallow, ignorant Protty's don't know wat biblical worship is. Singing a few songs, coffee bar, prayers, and a 45-minute from a Church's central point, I e., pulpit is wat diluted christians now calling worship?
Keep quoting Bible verses; learn how to live it too.
Since 1965 the Catholic church has most assuredly abandoned its historical mission and has become a distinctly negative force. This tendency has now become acute under the monstrous papacy of Bergoglio.
and yet here, the Catholic Church in the year 2024 of our Lord, still stands and even at times, the lone voice against secularism/modernism ungodly changing values.
The Jews really did a number on the Church since V2. This is why we must pray now more than ever, to heal & restore its glory.
to Emmet Sweeney, "monstrous papacy"? "couple", "individual", "union", distinctions can respect the power of authorisation by two or more, "... if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven" (RSV Mt18:19). The FS blessing of the couple respects this by a couple in a homosexual relationship agreeing to ask for a blessing.
Irregular, including homosexual, relationships purport presuming inversion of procreation role gift and need of union of identity.
This inversion is evident in roman catholic church role group 'teaching' since the "opinion" of St Paul at 1Cor7:25-34 of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ as a "higher vocation" (as 'taught' in TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35) than consecrated male female marriage vowed to God.
That is, until corrected on 17 June 2021 by Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage exercising an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of it ensuring and insuring in both his particular and the general circumstances in:
(a) his Vatican state on alleged embezzlements of his ensuring consecrated celibate marriage's procreation role gift charity donations,
(b) the Italian Parliament on an unacceptable risk of fraud by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill on insuring by his consecrated celibate marriage of its identity in need of union.
Authorisations by the consecrated celibate marriage of Pope Francis of criminal guilty findings and sentencing for these procreation role gift embezzlements and of publication of Fiducia supplicans, DDF on respect for identity need of union were simultaneous on 18 December 2023.
Acceptance of Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage's exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of its corrections of occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate embezzlements (proven on 18 December 2021) and an unacceptable risk of fraud will take time.
no, it is the people that have taken the Church be low the Evil line; I am Roman Catholic and the Church was established as the Roman Catholic Church;
Catholic Church : Evil : Roman Catholic Church;
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The problem is that the church proclaims itself as the moral high ground and represents God on earth. This leads to everything wrong being done by the church is by default in the name of God.
That's like saying teachers who do not fulfill their duty to probably teach are doing so in the name of pedagogy, and therefore the teaching profession is to be questioned of its worth.
@@TickleMeElmo55 The ones who claim to do something and don’t do it themselves? Absolutely. If a teacher cannot teach they are a bad teacher. If one method does not work, they should try a different way to teach. If those who claim to represent God act opposed to their claims, they are hypocrites and should not be trusted, and I would claim evil.
Well, the Church is infallible under certain circumstances but not all circumstances. It was founded by God and staffed by humans. All Christians are called to be representatives of God on earth but many fall short of that. Thus, this same accusation could be used against Christians in general.
@@robertdolcetti450 Two quick questions if I may. Is the Doctatus Papae still in effect? And has the council of Trent been rejected/overturned?
This is a strange question. The Dictatus Papae is not a compilation of authoritative statements. Even its authorship, though often considered to be Gregory IIV, is somewhat unknown. I actually read the document and can confirm that some of the things that it said are true, others are false, and others might have applied at some point but don’t anymore. Their level of authority is considered relatively low, actually, when you consider them directly.
The Council of Trent, though, is quite authoritative and binding but not everything said within the Council is infallible. What statements do you have a problem with? A lot of stuff happened at that Council. I can’t imagine that all of the changes made are still practiced, but the infallible statements are certainly still true.
Hi Brian, I came upon your channel today only and heard your content. I see you appears to be struggling as a Catholic. There is a verse in the Bible: Matthew 23:9
King James Version
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
We shouldn’t be calling someone else Father as all has sinned, we do not need another mediator, for Christ has done it. No human is fit to. How much do we believe in what the Bible says? You are now able to access to the Father in heaven. Human just like to add understanding for themselves probably revelation 22:18 doesn’t mean anything at all. Think!
oh for the love of God, where was your "cherry picking" faith tradition at the compilation and preservation of the Bible? Plz, don't tell me, after lazily sitting on the laurels of those original Bible compilers, 1400yrs later you know more than they do?
There's a certain type of Canadian passive aggressiveness that is extremely annoying.
So are you implying that Holsworth is being what you claim? If so, the irony.
I disagree, abuse in the church is not the exception, unlike airplane crashes, you don't read about one specific incident, you just read about the huge number of incidents that happened.
Furthermore, the hatred I see coming from Christians towards minorities and people who do not fit their norm is the most common "evil" in our society and one of the many reasons I left the Christian Church.
Couldn't agree more, and the cases you read about are only those the church couldn't cover up. When Cardinal Meisner( a conservative bishop) died, they found a bookshelf full of folders with priests that have "fallen". One martyr of the catholic church in Nazi Germany was revoked because they found that the allegations of child abuse were factual. But Pope Benedict was sure that the 1960ies were to blame. Power is the problem.
Replace the word Christians with Muslims and you wont sound like a liar lmao anyone with common sense.
Christian church? You are aware that there is no such thing given there are many denominations.
Please list the hatred coming from Christians towards minorities doesnt include the LGBT+ (tired old card).
No one should take you seriously given you have multiple posts on this channel acting indignant. I mean, you refer to what I believe is the Bible as a "fantasy book." Rage on edgelord.
For the love of God, plz be very honest - what human creature pulled you out of the Christian Church?
Actually, priests are no more likely to abuse kids than public school teachers. The large number of cases comes from hyper aggressive media coverage and the fact that there are a lot of priests. Within millions of priests there may be thousands of abusers if the percentage of abusers is 0.1%. 0.1% is very uncommon but several thousand is a big number, you see?
I am reminded of something Zizek said, that without religion good people will do good things and bad people bad things but it takes something like religion to make otherwise good people to bad things. If you can convince someone that God wills something bad you can get otherwise good people to do something pretty horrible. For example 9/11 or the horrors of communism and fascism (their ideologies functioned as religions).
Not getting into your standards of "good" and "bad" which are derived to some degree from a post Judeo Christian society. There are no good people, we are all bad people who sometimes do good things. Did you even watch the entire video?
While not proud of the Catholic Churches missteps over the last 2000+ years, I'm also not embarrassed by them either. I feel like the fact the church acknowledges both the good and bad moments of history actually strengthens my faith. It means that if the flawed people before me can serve and be used by God, then there's a chance God can use me also.
I love how God uses those who serve him, but I love even more how God can unwittingly use those who have no or negative interest to do his will despite their intentions. It gives me hope during my dark times and shows me who is actually in charge in the world we live in.