Well said bro,agree 100%. Mindless zergs,busted sets,countless procs,and toxicity of players makes the game unenjoyable. Lastly,the same bullshit unchanged Cyro map last 9 years is boring af. .
I use the comparison to Chess: the rules and board haven't changed in a long time but that's not a problem because the game is in a good place. It's all about players having a good competition with other players. Sadly, the rules and board for PvP is not in a good place.
So basically, The pvp skill gap became so reduced, that sets and abilities is the only way to differentiate a good player anymore. The players with a high skill gap, slowly started to dwindle and decrease overtime. By side effect, there are no og sweats to influence new players. So overtime, the players became worse. The game became laggier. And the desire or honor, to be respected or known for being good or original are long gone. Now. Pair this culture/community decline. Along with group sets that killed 1vxing. Along with pay to win mythic and scribing skills. And a server that can’t even support a 10v10 siege battle. PvP has been slowly dying for like 7 years. Console is down to last like 500 players. A lot who quit went to pc. Soon the game will be unplayable on pc aswell.
Spot on with ball zergs. Seemingly. Swathes of wardens and DKs popping northern storm and applying as many dots as possible. No matter how good of a player you are you can't handle 4 pyrebrand DKs mobbing you while standing in a northern storm. All stacking echo vigor.
You're 100% right. PvP in ESO has become incredibly cringe. Even in 1v1 people will run and hide or use LoS... because in their mind, running away= they win. Either that or you'll have 30+ people chasing you across all of Cyrodiil. That always happened to a point, but people would usually give up. Now, you'll have a zerg give up sieging a keep to chase a single player across a map. Too much healing, too much damage mitigation, far far too much TTK, too many broken sets...all adds up to a incredibly cringe experience. Never in my life have I played a game where people are so afraid to die in PvP. It will actually ruin this game. People quit for this reason. Players and their attitude is why this game will die. I've quit months ago, so has almost everyone i know. This is not sustainable.
Spot on. You’re right. I’ve never taken so many breaks from eso in such a short amount of time. I’ve maybe only played consistently about 2 months this whole year. It’s probably unfixable at this point.
I feel hybridzation is a big problem as it took away a lot of class identity, pretty much every class wears the same gear and same skills which has created 40k health ball zergs with stupid amount cross healing seeing who can out bomb who, for a pvp perspective add the larger the group your in you lose a certain x amount weapon and spell damage and recovery
I run solo, my guild leader passed a couple of years back and the guild just kind of left. Only 3 of us active and we dont run pvp together. All I run into is exactly what youve talked about. Ball groups, and unkillable tower humpers. Sorcs that one shot you and you cant touch them. Nightblades in non-stop stealth can one shot you with 40k plus ult and merciless strike. Wardens with unlimited heals. Pyrebrand has given me the ability to pressure those people even though bow has never been my type of play. Next patch it gets nerfed to dirt. Everything the DK was made to do is now pretty much not feasible in regular pvp. You have some people that stand out but I was always a good player and now its proc sets, unlimited burst, and zerging you down. As much as I dont like the proc sets, everything that makes it possible to kill ball groups and these tower humpers is immediately taken away. This is from a player that has been around since BETA. I have played DK the entire time, I watched alot of the broken skills get nerfed, and then they just continued to beat the ever-living shit out of us every single patch. I liked playing a tank in pvp wading in, controlling the flow of the battle, and ball group busting. That isnt even possible anymore. I even quit the game for a while after they took away stamina regen while blocking because all it did was empower ball groups. The battles are less fun, and more one sided. Its just not the game it used to be. And ZoS killed it.
Spot on with no one wanting to fight to the death, I don’t do a lot of cyro but IC and it’s filled with nothing but tarnished nib’s tryna one shot and if they fail they hide for 10 minutes, and some of those new scoring abilities are dumb asf. Had a bow Nb doing backflips mid air and going invis half way through
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I think the issue is health scaling, and amount of burst people can do, with 40-50k HP. Most of the people who are ''pvp sweats'' are not brawlers anymore. They are either 50k tower/rock huggers,50k triple shield mages who are looking for a new player to bust open with a combo and run away as soon as a decent pvp'er look in their way, tarnished nb's just stealthing away waiting for procs to kill. At this point, I have no idea how they gonna make cyrodil enjoyable and it seems to me that they gave up too. Latest u44 is a pvp update and it is for BG's. I dont know man, I really do love eso, but when throne and liberty drops in couple weeks, Im definitly leaving for good.
Completely agree with all of it just sad our own community is the biggest problem nowadays. We used to be able to put all blame on zos don’t think it’s solely on them anymore
Classes are balanced in PvP if you are one of the metas... DK, Sorc and NB.. those 3 classes (my opinion of course) are extremely overpowered and account for 80% of the players in PvP.. If you are not one of those classes, it's horrifically badly balanced. Again just my opinion here :) Shame none of the other new Infinite Archive sets were decent. Spattering Disjunction is interesting but not very impactful. But the rest of the video you are right on target! thanks for the video!
No one asks for the classes to be perfectly equal, just that the differences are close enough so that players on different classes can compete with each other.
I agree with most of what you said. I personally would word it as there is too much "stats" in the game. No class is over powered but its easy to build super tanky and still have healing damage and sustain. Just like your NB in the first few clips you had 30k stam 50k hp and 39ishk max mag and you seemed too be pretty tanky albeit with a healer. But that's how I would put it, a build that has no weakness or just a very small weakness paired with the 10 second cc immunity( I think its 10) you get a wacky meta of burst trading with each other until one dude fucks up his sustain and dies.
Some classes are definitely overpowered. The first few clips I was emperor as I mentioned at the beginning of the video that’s why my stats are so high.
There are some general NON class issues - Crit damage is overtuned in pvp, health is overtuned. They need to turn off Proc sets critting and add CP tree percentage equivalent for the same crit damage modifier. Battle spirit should cap health. Those two would fix half the issues in pvp and make NB and Sorc less impossible to kill and survive against. And dks with corrosive wouldnt also have insane crit on procs. High health is just ridiculous across the board and needs a complete flat max amount in PvP period. Cross healing should be capped. Sorc shields need to be nerfed. There thats 90% of ESO fixed for PvP
i completely agree with basically all of these statements you made in the video. ESPECIALLY the one about players running back to the keep once people start dying EVEN THO they still outnumber you. like…? hello? where did their energy go that they had when it was 8-9v2-3? lol as well as the necromancer changes. they did TRY just not very hard. that or they don’t play their game enough to know what they could’ve done to fix the class. very unfortunate.
@Khysage Tbf (kinda for the sake of playing devils advocate) I get why that happens as well in many cases. Let’s say you are an OK pvp-er who tries to fight one of the standard 3 person tower crawl groups. These groups are without fail some composition of magsorcs, nb or arc. Builds are strong bordering on unkillable, kite tactics, rotate pressure etc. Then imagine you can’t kill them while collaborating with 7-8 other players, it’s not some sort of miracle that they give up and f*ck off if the group start taking out 2-3 of the people on your team. It’s not like your chances are increasing, and I can’t imagine many feeling bound by some sort of honor code to keep trying to kill the “x-ers” until the last man is down. For disclosure I play almost exclusively solo, so I don’t know whether to be jealous of the zerglings or the towerlings
Bro just described every EP player on PC NA 3:44 🤣🤣 Great points man, ball groups are fucking pvp badly, necro is dog shit compared to other classes, and most kids are scared to fight, to the point where they will run from you if they do not outnumber you 4 to 1. Shits sad man. Thanks for the vid!
Dude i took 4 years off and recently came back a couple weeks ago, what really ruins this game for me is the fact that 40-50k health seems to just be the average now, im not interested in a game where nobody dies no matter what i do. I dont like running cheese sets to get kills but still im running 3 damage sets on every class i have and still cant dent most ppls health bars. Its so not fun when everyone just builds to survive anything and they just group up to outnumber you for damage. And thats not even talking about the lag, ill go back to apex where when i shoot my gun at least my gun actually shoots and does damage
They should really restructure the game mode. A bunch of use left around U33 and U34 and even many before those updates cuz the stat of pvp in general. As for the game mode, I feel they should keep it, but have it function similar to the game mode -conquest in Rift, if you ever played the pvp in that game. Conquest was so much fun and the two modes are already very similar. Just with Rift, it was set on timer, where it would pop on the screen that it was ready and people would Q in to fill up 3 teams 60 each, than it would start. Games could last a few hours or 30-40 minutes depending. Rift Conquest was... Three Faction PvP Engage in massive, cross-shard battles. Control of as many Sourcestone Extractors as possible while preventing your opponents from doing the same. These control points open access to buffs and resources to your team which provide a wide variety of benefits in addition to unlocking additional buffs and abilities you earn by contributing to your factions cause. You won’t find gated doors in Conquest - your battle is on the field, not in a cozy castle! However, Caer Mathos (cleansed of its Endless occupants) now holds strategic importance for all three forces. The match ends when a single team has claimed 40% of the control points or 5,000 players are killed - once this happens a 10 minute timer will start, this is your chance to make a last grab for control - after which you’ll earn your rewards!
Omg man! It’s like this in EVERY console. I thinks it’s just eso players, people will Zerg you down as a solo player but you kill 2 of them and the rest will run away. Like wtf? I love this game, but it’s so trash. I run as a solo player and get zerged, ganked by 2 tarnished in the middle of Xing or they run away. It’s not even fun
I was originally ps and I can undoubtedly say the cowardly play is worse on pc. I can’t speak for every server but pc seems ridiculous with how scared people are.
Yup, a month ago I quit the 1v1, 1vX game. It's pretty much dead. Even asking people for 1v1 they will show up with gank friends and flame your whisper. Now I am forced to run in either a gank group or a ball group. My friends and I created a ball group just to wipe the floor, and we are wrecking these no skill zerglings pretended to ball. These 24 and 36 player ball groups are so stupid. But they die to 12 of us; it's hilarious. But 100% it's toxic and really sucks for people just wanting to relax after a day of work.
Somewhat agree just saying put a good player on anything just isn't true in update 43 anyone half good at the game can be god tier on arcanist for example an kill most other class's & nb can 1 shot anything with the right build from cloak, it shouldn't be balanced exact each class... but there shouldn't be class's completely over tuned either, Balling is 100% out of control though that i do agree with an i do it myself for a (couple hours at weekends) people have just started doing that an nothing else 24/7 everyday though because they don't want to die on a game, which does ruin the game as you said unkillable gameplay pretty much, even the group i played in got weird not wanting to fight other groups which really should be the entire point to bust zergs (when needed) & to deal with other groups, that just leads back to good players never wanting to fight each other though just smash less experienced players which isn't fun for them & is one of the biggest problems on the game always has been imo, for example 10 streamers play on the same server but you never see them fighting each other no different with non-streamers haha.
@@Not_3z you’re absolutely right that some classes and builds can be brain dead. I was more so referring to classes that are natively bad. Like necro for example.
@Khysage I've always said since the 1st necro nerf, I never forgave that was my favourite character & not just because of harmony even though that was super broken fun haha The only character since joining pc I haven't bothered even leveling.. I have no interest in using eviscerate on any class.
Crosshealing ballzergs ya defo ruining pvp! In those bgs are all the sweats in called me a zergling when i formed a 24 man emp group to deff keeps on my emperorships years ago. Zos doing nothing against them....
The game incentivises being bad at the game. There’s no reward for being good at PvP. That’s why majority players have this mindset of being 40k hp and using procs. Most players see me and sweat for a 1v1, when the are about to loose they line of site or either run away or bring more players to try and kill you. There’s so many players on pc eu that run full dmg proc speed builds in a group and sweat solo players. Many reason for this, the games balance is horrendous and they can’t 1vX so they resort to other methods of fun. Also ganking is one of the many reasons why people run so much hp. You could be fighting 7 players and ur doing fine, then all of a sudden your dead from someone your not even fighting, it terrible game design. Ganking shouldn’t be a thing, nor should 30k hp in PvP or any sort of dmg or healing proc. Cross healing needs to be flatlined hard, 50% nerf and it shouldn’t stack. Being in a group of more than 3 you should start getting nerfs to healing and damage and will rank up as more players join. Self healing also needs a nerf, 18k crits on certain heals is far overtunned. Speed cap needs lowering especially after streak or cloak, it should be reduced to base value for 5 seconds after casting. Unfortunately the devs play exactly like a player in which we both have just described, wheeler uses maras, hist sap and oakensoul. He can just live against a massively superior players simply due to the type of play style and sets he is using which shouldn’t be the case. I could go on, but no point as nothing will be done
@@conancimmerian5066 some times I wonder what ZOS is thinking when they do things with their game then I see shitters like you and understand lol. If you think ball zergs should be in the game you’re delusional.
@@Khysage Massive Multiplayer Online. You can have your delusions about terrain humping low levels and call yourself a 1vXer but we all know you probably hangout in the under 50 battleground pretending to be good like all other streamers. Cyrodiil has keeps and seige weapons because the intent was always zerg v zerg or ball group v ball group.
I agree ball groups are annoying but there’s really nothing you can do it’s really tuff to be a one man army like you used too games been out to the point everyone’s max level and all it takes is a build video and pretty much anyone is a good player it’s not like people are gatekeeping pvp builds anymore. Skill, positioning ani canceling can only take you so far when everyone knows and runs meta sets
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Well said bro,agree 100%. Mindless zergs,busted sets,countless procs,and toxicity of players makes the game unenjoyable.
Lastly,the same bullshit unchanged Cyro map last 9 years is boring af.
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@@xx_steezy_xx9496 yep no cyro changes other than towns is crazy. Lol
I use the comparison to Chess: the rules and board haven't changed in a long time but that's not a problem because the game is in a good place. It's all about players having a good competition with other players.
Sadly, the rules and board for PvP is not in a good place.
So basically,
The pvp skill gap became so reduced, that sets and abilities is the only way to differentiate a good player anymore.
The players with a high skill gap, slowly started to dwindle and decrease overtime. By side effect, there are no og sweats to influence new players.
So overtime, the players became worse.
The game became laggier.
And the desire or honor, to be respected or known for being good or original are long gone.
Now. Pair this culture/community decline.
Along with group sets that killed 1vxing.
Along with pay to win mythic and scribing skills.
And a server that can’t even support a 10v10 siege battle.
PvP has been slowly dying for like 7 years. Console is down to last like 500 players. A lot who quit went to pc.
Soon the game will be unplayable on pc aswell.
@@mikeysullivan408 hit the nail on the head
Spot on with ball zergs. Seemingly. Swathes of wardens and DKs popping northern storm and applying as many dots as possible. No matter how good of a player you are you can't handle 4 pyrebrand DKs mobbing you while standing in a northern storm. All stacking echo vigor.
You're 100% right. PvP in ESO has become incredibly cringe. Even in 1v1 people will run and hide or use LoS... because in their mind, running away= they win. Either that or you'll have 30+ people chasing you across all of Cyrodiil. That always happened to a point, but people would usually give up. Now, you'll have a zerg give up sieging a keep to chase a single player across a map.
Too much healing, too much damage mitigation, far far too much TTK, too many broken sets...all adds up to a incredibly cringe experience.
Never in my life have I played a game where people are so afraid to die in PvP.
It will actually ruin this game. People quit for this reason.
Players and their attitude is why this game will die.
I've quit months ago, so has almost everyone i know. This is not sustainable.
Spot on. You’re right. I’ve never taken so many breaks from eso in such a short amount of time. I’ve maybe only played consistently about 2 months this whole year. It’s probably unfixable at this point.
I feel hybridzation is a big problem as it took away a lot of class identity, pretty much every class wears the same gear and same skills which has created 40k health ball zergs with stupid amount cross healing seeing who can out bomb who, for a pvp perspective add the larger the group your in you lose a certain x amount weapon and spell damage and recovery
Yes hybridization broke pvp for a lot of reasons on certain class/builds
I run solo, my guild leader passed a couple of years back and the guild just kind of left. Only 3 of us active and we dont run pvp together.
All I run into is exactly what youve talked about. Ball groups, and unkillable tower humpers. Sorcs that one shot you and you cant touch them. Nightblades in non-stop stealth can one shot you with 40k plus ult and merciless strike. Wardens with unlimited heals.
Pyrebrand has given me the ability to pressure those people even though bow has never been my type of play.
Next patch it gets nerfed to dirt. Everything the DK was made to do is now pretty much not feasible in regular pvp. You have some people that stand out but I was always a good player and now its proc sets, unlimited burst, and zerging you down. As much as I dont like the proc sets, everything that makes it possible to kill ball groups and these tower humpers is immediately taken away.
This is from a player that has been around since BETA. I have played DK the entire time, I watched alot of the broken skills get nerfed, and then they just continued to beat the ever-living shit out of us every single patch. I liked playing a tank in pvp wading in, controlling the flow of the battle, and ball group busting. That isnt even possible anymore. I even quit the game for a while after they took away stamina regen while blocking because all it did was empower ball groups. The battles are less fun, and more one sided. Its just not the game it used to be. And ZoS killed it.
Spot on with no one wanting to fight to the death, I don’t do a lot of cyro but IC and it’s filled with nothing but tarnished nib’s tryna one shot and if they fail they hide for 10 minutes, and some of those new scoring abilities are dumb asf. Had a bow Nb doing backflips mid air and going invis half way through
I think the issue is health scaling, and amount of burst people can do, with 40-50k HP. Most of the people who are ''pvp sweats'' are not brawlers anymore. They are either 50k tower/rock huggers,50k triple shield mages who are looking for a new player to bust open with a combo and run away as soon as a decent pvp'er look in their way, tarnished nb's just stealthing away waiting for procs to kill. At this point, I have no idea how they gonna make cyrodil enjoyable and it seems to me that they gave up too. Latest u44 is a pvp update and it is for BG's. I dont know man, I really do love eso, but when throne and liberty drops in couple weeks, Im definitly leaving for good.
I have a similar feeling but the throne is completely not for me. Hopefully more competition will push zos to move their lazy ass!
Totally agree. I play Ps4 EU and it's exactly the same. It's become a troll-fest.
Completely agree with all of it just sad our own community is the biggest problem nowadays. We used to be able to put all blame on zos don’t think it’s solely on them anymore
It’s definitely not. If you look at the forums it’s hilarious how many kids on their complain about getting X’d lol.
Classes are balanced in PvP if you are one of the metas... DK, Sorc and NB.. those 3 classes (my opinion of course) are extremely overpowered and account for 80% of the players in PvP.. If you are not one of those classes, it's horrifically badly balanced. Again just my opinion here :) Shame none of the other new Infinite Archive sets were decent. Spattering Disjunction is interesting but not very impactful. But the rest of the video you are right on target! thanks for the video!
I remember back in the days everyone want to be good player fight or die, today is zerg if alone run away to the group
@@Bloody_vampire-d4g Pepperidge farm also remembers
No one asks for the classes to be perfectly equal, just that the differences are close enough so that players on different classes can compete with each other.
I agree with most of what you said. I personally would word it as there is too much "stats" in the game. No class is over powered but its easy to build super tanky and still have healing damage and sustain. Just like your NB in the first few clips you had 30k stam 50k hp and 39ishk max mag and you seemed too be pretty tanky albeit with a healer. But that's how I would put it, a build that has no weakness or just a very small weakness paired with the 10 second cc immunity( I think its 10) you get a wacky meta of burst trading with each other until one dude fucks up his sustain and dies.
Some classes are definitely overpowered. The first few clips I was emperor as I mentioned at the beginning of the video that’s why my stats are so high.
There are some general NON class issues - Crit damage is overtuned in pvp, health is overtuned. They need to turn off Proc sets critting and add CP tree percentage equivalent for the same crit damage modifier. Battle spirit should cap health.
Those two would fix half the issues in pvp and make NB and Sorc less impossible to kill and survive against. And dks with corrosive wouldnt also have insane crit on procs.
High health is just ridiculous across the board and needs a complete flat max amount in PvP period.
Cross healing should be capped.
Sorc shields need to be nerfed.
There thats 90% of ESO fixed for PvP
i completely agree with basically all of these statements you made in the video. ESPECIALLY the one about players running back to the keep once people start dying EVEN THO they still outnumber you. like…? hello? where did their energy go that they had when it was 8-9v2-3? lol
as well as the necromancer changes. they did TRY just not very hard. that or they don’t play their game enough to know what they could’ve done to fix the class. very unfortunate.
@@carlitoxD happens constantly to my group it’s so annoying. Or they won’t chase at all. They need siege and open field 16v2 lol it’s unreal.
@@Khysage yea facts
@Khysage Tbf (kinda for the sake of playing devils advocate) I get why that happens as well in many cases. Let’s say you are an OK pvp-er who tries to fight one of the standard 3 person tower crawl groups. These groups are without fail some composition of magsorcs, nb or arc. Builds are strong bordering on unkillable, kite tactics, rotate pressure etc. Then imagine you can’t kill them while collaborating with 7-8 other players, it’s not some sort of miracle that they give up and f*ck off if the group start taking out 2-3 of the people on your team. It’s not like your chances are increasing, and I can’t imagine many feeling bound by some sort of honor code to keep trying to kill the “x-ers” until the last man is down. For disclosure I play almost exclusively solo, so I don’t know whether to be jealous of the zerglings or the towerlings
Bro just described every EP player on PC NA 3:44 🤣🤣 Great points man, ball groups are fucking pvp badly, necro is dog shit compared to other classes, and most kids are scared to fight, to the point where they will run from you if they do not outnumber you 4 to 1. Shits sad man. Thanks for the vid!
@@whollyhyperion 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Dude i took 4 years off and recently came back a couple weeks ago, what really ruins this game for me is the fact that 40-50k health seems to just be the average now, im not interested in a game where nobody dies no matter what i do. I dont like running cheese sets to get kills but still im running 3 damage sets on every class i have and still cant dent most ppls health bars. Its so not fun when everyone just builds to survive anything and they just group up to outnumber you for damage. And thats not even talking about the lag, ill go back to apex where when i shoot my gun at least my gun actually shoots and does damage
If I wasn’t so bad at apex I would main it 🤣
They should really restructure the game mode. A bunch of use left around U33 and U34 and even many before those updates cuz the stat of pvp in general. As for the game mode, I feel they should keep it, but have it function similar to the game mode -conquest in Rift, if you ever played the pvp in that game. Conquest was so much fun and the two modes are already very similar. Just with Rift, it was set on timer, where it would pop on the screen that it was ready and people would Q in to fill up 3 teams 60 each, than it would start. Games could last a few hours or 30-40 minutes depending.
Rift Conquest was...
Three Faction PvP
Engage in massive, cross-shard battles.
Control of as many Sourcestone Extractors as possible while preventing your opponents from doing the same.
These control points open access to buffs and resources to your team which provide a wide variety of benefits in addition to unlocking additional buffs and abilities you earn by contributing to your factions cause.
You won’t find gated doors in Conquest - your battle is on the field, not in a cozy castle! However, Caer Mathos (cleansed of its Endless occupants) now holds strategic importance for all three forces.
The match ends when a single team has claimed 40% of the control points or 5,000 players are killed - once this happens a 10 minute timer will start, this is your chance to make a last grab for control - after which you’ll earn your rewards!
Bruh hit the nail on the head, reason I quit. But I’m still here to support you brother. Ggs.
Appreciate it bro 🙏🏼
Agreed, the ballgroups have gotten out of hand
Omg man! It’s like this in EVERY console. I thinks it’s just eso players, people will Zerg you down as a solo player but you kill 2 of them and the rest will run away. Like wtf? I love this game, but it’s so trash. I run as a solo player and get zerged, ganked by 2 tarnished in the middle of Xing or they run away. It’s not even fun
I was originally ps and I can undoubtedly say the cowardly play is worse on pc. I can’t speak for every server but pc seems ridiculous with how scared people are.
Templar main here. Class balance?!
No offence but TLDR: When I win people run away. When I see several DKs or ball zerg they win.
Yup, a month ago I quit the 1v1, 1vX game. It's pretty much dead. Even asking people for 1v1 they will show up with gank friends and flame your whisper. Now I am forced to run in either a gank group or a ball group. My friends and I created a ball group just to wipe the floor, and we are wrecking these no skill zerglings pretended to ball. These 24 and 36 player ball groups are so stupid. But they die to 12 of us; it's hilarious. But 100% it's toxic and really sucks for people just wanting to relax after a day of work.
Somewhat agree just saying put a good player on anything just isn't true in update 43 anyone half good at the game can be god tier on arcanist for example an kill most other class's & nb can 1 shot anything with the right build from cloak, it shouldn't be balanced exact each class... but there shouldn't be class's completely over tuned either, Balling is 100% out of control though that i do agree with an i do it myself for a (couple hours at weekends) people have just started doing that an nothing else 24/7 everyday though because they don't want to die on a game, which does ruin the game as you said unkillable gameplay pretty much, even the group i played in got weird not wanting to fight other groups which really should be the entire point to bust zergs (when needed) & to deal with other groups, that just leads back to good players never wanting to fight each other though just smash less experienced players which isn't fun for them & is one of the biggest problems on the game always has been imo, for example 10 streamers play on the same server but you never see them fighting each other no different with non-streamers haha.
@@Not_3z you’re absolutely right that some classes and builds can be brain dead. I was more so referring to classes that are natively bad. Like necro for example.
@Khysage I've always said since the 1st necro nerf, I never forgave that was my favourite character & not just because of harmony even though that was super broken fun haha The only character since joining pc I haven't bothered even leveling.. I have no interest in using eviscerate on any class.
Sorc is the worst to me, heavy attacking from a cliff that only sorc can get to with their streak.
Nightblade damage needs nerfed. I can hit 25K Incaps in 5 heavy. They literally 2 tap everyone.
coalize xv1 lover but streak away like rat player 2v2 GIGA LOSS at 4:42
lolll
Crosshealing ballzergs ya defo ruining pvp!
In those bgs are all the sweats in called me a zergling when i formed a 24 man emp group to deff keeps on my emperorships years ago.
Zos doing nothing against them....
The game incentivises being bad at the game. There’s no reward for being good at PvP. That’s why majority players have this mindset of being 40k hp and using procs. Most players see me and sweat for a 1v1, when the are about to loose they line of site or either run away or bring more players to try and kill you. There’s so many players on pc eu that run full dmg proc speed builds in a group and sweat solo players. Many reason for this, the games balance is horrendous and they can’t 1vX so they resort to other methods of fun. Also ganking is one of the many reasons why people run so much hp. You could be fighting 7 players and ur doing fine, then all of a sudden your dead from someone your not even fighting, it terrible game design. Ganking shouldn’t be a thing, nor should 30k hp in PvP or any sort of dmg or healing proc. Cross healing needs to be flatlined hard, 50% nerf and it shouldn’t stack. Being in a group of more than 3 you should start getting nerfs to healing and damage and will rank up as more players join. Self healing also needs a nerf, 18k crits on certain heals is far overtunned. Speed cap needs lowering especially after streak or cloak, it should be reduced to base value for 5 seconds after casting. Unfortunately the devs play exactly like a player in which we both have just described, wheeler uses maras, hist sap and oakensoul. He can just live against a massively superior players simply due to the type of play style and sets he is using which shouldn’t be the case. I could go on, but no point as nothing will be done
@@AdamLAD great point on ganking. I forgot to talk about that. Gankers are unreal on pc na the past few patches.
@Khysage I understand that nb is the "assassin", class but its incredibly egregious
They need to get rid of these stupid proc sets aswell. Bring back the old school pvp sets and old school eso pvp
What does MMO mean to you? Ball groups are the whole point to cyrodiil
@@conancimmerian5066 some times I wonder what ZOS is thinking when they do things with their game then I see shitters like you and understand lol. If you think ball zergs should be in the game you’re delusional.
@@Khysage Massive Multiplayer Online. You can have your delusions about terrain humping low levels and call yourself a 1vXer but we all know you probably hangout in the under 50 battleground pretending to be good like all other streamers. Cyrodiil has keeps and seige weapons because the intent was always zerg v zerg or ball group v ball group.
@@conancimmerian5066 you’re a bot, confirmed.
I agree ball groups are annoying but there’s really nothing you can do it’s really tuff to be a one man army like you used too games been out to the point everyone’s max level and all it takes is a build video and pretty much anyone is a good player it’s not like people are gatekeeping pvp builds anymore. Skill, positioning ani canceling can only take you so far when everyone knows and runs meta sets
Leave it to @conancimmerian5066 to show up and defend the current state of pvp.. in every single video posted that’s based on the reality of eso pvp 😂