Those same people that call him bitter are the quickest ones to bitch about another wrestler or wrestling related topic. So Johnny no name on the internet can give their opinion negative or not but Bret can’t give his.
@@Rich51185 lmao no it wasnt, all wrestlers do it. A side kick to the face does create a slap'like sound. The foot stomp kind of works too because in a boxing ring they are stepping when theyre punching but not the same stomp a wrestler makes. No noise at all from a super kick would be more unrealistic
People who criticise Bret for taking himself too seriously remind me of that line Cooper gave to Sterling in Mad Men: “Nobody takes you seriously because you don’t take yourself seriously.” I’d take Bret’s opinion on the wrestling side of the wrestling business over pretty much ANYONE.
Exactly why I’ll be a Bret lifer!!!! Its ironic that Shawn is being so diplomatic because imo ppl like the Young Bucks totally bury the Superkick by 2 of them not being able to beat a guy when Shawn made his whole career off 1 deadly one. Much respect to the Hitman,still my favorite!
Because he knows he's guilty of it, HBK really just existed at the right time. If Shawn Michaels hits his prime in 2020s, he would be exactly like these mudshow Bucks, only with more charisma
He doesnt care All they do is remind people of him Its like the sharpshooter, everybody immediately thinks of bret or the figure4 is immediately associated with flair The same goes for the super kick
There is a difference between Shawn doing it with his finisher, or Kane slapping his arm with his uppercuts, and guys doing it on every spot. At that point, you might as well do POW! Wham! comic book effects.
The fact that regular people are even aware of the leg slap says something about its misuse. I watched wrestling all through the 90s and early 2000s and never knew anybody was slapping their leg.
Ohhh I sure did. Not to be that guy but I am 41 & I always wondered why a kick to the chin sounded like a slap. I quickly figured in pausing match that his hand was always slapping his leg
35+ years of watching and - although I caught a few, nowhere near as many as today. Maybe they were just better at choosing their spot or concealing it. maybe I just wasn't as ...experienced (jaded) but now I see it multiple times a match
Michael’s was IMO the best of the leg slappers. He concealed it well and because of the way he set up the super kick there wasn’t much time or desire to analyze what happened. Today, the slapping is obvious and almost part of the move whereas Michael’s used it as part of the illusion.
Either hide the leg slap like The Rock, Razor Ramon and Shawn Michaels did or don't do it at all because it looks stupid today when they over do it right in your face.
I can agree with that. If you can hide the leg slap well, and not do that often, ok, I can get it. I guess, as much as I like AEW, I can't really dig the Young Bucks for that big reason. I can get in kayfabe that certain moves have different levels of effectiveness, but if most of your arsenal involves kicks, I'd expect, again in kayfabe, that a few of those kicks you've utilized you've developed enough to be absolutely devastating. And all those kicks are just another move for the Bucks. If I hear a loud smack, either someone got chopped, or someone just got a devastating boot upside the head, and that should be good for the 1, 2, 3.
Bret as hypocritical as Corny for sure...and he also allows Corny to show how his hypocrisy is based on who is nice to him vs who is not. Watch any Bret Hart punch and his fake-ass double foot stomp TO CREATE A SOUND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT THE SOUND OF THE PUNCH...
@@78bcat If Bret said that wrestlers make a slap-noise when there shouldn't be one, ie; a punch, why would Bret foot-stomp when he punches knowing full well that when you punch someone, it totally doesnt sound like a mic'd up wrestling ring being stamped on? Bret has said numerous times that the reason he (and this is likely true of other wrestlers) stamps when he punches, is to pull them so that he doesnt potato anyone. They're working punches. Mike Routundo and Rick Rude are 2 other wrestlers of the top of my head that also punched in the same manner regardless of wether they were in or out of the ring.
It's like what Corny said at 5:45ish, if they once in a while did the slap, it would get over. But when it happens everytime it gets old. Unfortunately that's where the industry is heading now: over use of the big spots, for instance, remember when a ddt was a huge deal, now everyone does it and they kick out every time.
AEW has the most leg slaps off ALLTIME. Once you see it, you cant watch another match without looking for it. They are really bad at hiding it. Almost like they are showing off what great wrestling school they didn't go to. #EveryAEWWrestlerHasASuperKick
George Carlin on blues "I'll tell you a little secret about the Blues: it's not enough to know which notes to play, you have to know why they need to be played." The current generation grew up watching luchadors on WCW and emulate the flips and dives they'd see them do. However they know the what but not the why and how of those moves. There has to be psychology to it. Compare the lucha matches you'd seen on WCW to the modern day copycats.
He's the man! I want Bret around for decades to come. I just hope he keeps his stress levels down and keeps his health as his #1 priority. He's a national treasure in Canada and a legend here in the US. Just 100% pure bad ass! The best there is, best there was, and the best there ever will be!
Honest to the point of cruel sometimes but at least you know where you stand with him. It also bled into his character of the Hitman imo, no nonsense genuine person
I used to love the sound because I didn’t see the slap. I thought it was a real contact sound. Then when I learned how they did it I still appreciated it because I didn’t actually see it. Now they do it right on camera.
Bret actually wanted to do that. He wanted a series of championship matches with HBK going over in the end to help establish HBK as the next face of WWE. But when that fell through because of HBKs Attitude, he went with Austin instead, who actually appreciated the work Bret did to get him over. Bret understood the fact that he wouldn't be around forever and helped push Austin to eventually take over the top spot. Its actually the same reason Hart refused to beat rock for the IC title in their match together. Because he understood that it did nothing for the Rock. He wanted to help elevate the Rock, not hold him down, which is what the cliq wanted when they were pushing for having Hart beat Rock for the belt. Unlike HBK back then, Hart actually cared about the business and building toward a future where someone else would inherit the top spot. Is it any wonder that he didn't want to put over HBK on his way out? Michael's was disrespectful and didn't hold the business' best interests at HART, considering all the talent he and the Cliq held down or attempted to hold down.
Many more matches with Stone Cold and Undertaker + Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle or hell, Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan. Bret wouldn’t have gone to WCW. Above all, Owen would be here.
That buzzsaw kick when you were kneeling on the mat was BRUTAL! Shit sounded like a gunshot and you could never tell there was a leg slap. You really believed he claimed someone's soul with that kick. Lmao
@@QAZ-OMEN this shit is like one big joke to them. But they wonder why they are as respected as the wrestlers back then. That's like Lil Nas X wondering why ppl don't treat him like 2pac
He hides it but sweet chin music also looks devastating and he always hits it. Modern day they DON'T hide it and also frequently completely miss which makes the noise sound stupid even if you couldn't see them slap the leg.
What annoys me is that so many guys don't seem to get the point of the slap. The idea is to make noise so a move seem impactful but the audience isn't supposed to see you do the slap. Today, everyone sees the slap, it has become part of the move. Look at anyone doing a ddt or something similar, it slap is obvious and looks stupid. The slap today would be like watching a Superman film and seeing a wire attached to him during the flying scenes - you know what you are seeing is not real but that wire now makes it fake.
Owen Hart and Shawn Michaels leg slapping was special because it was for one move. It's ridiculous nowadays how many guys with how many moves do it and not even for a finisher or one of the big signature moves that might win the match
Two of the most bitter rivals in and out of the ring, that resulted in the biggest controversy in the history of professional wrestling... brought together by some outlaw wannabes slapping their thighs lol
Brets comments are always the best. Real honest takes. But Jim’s hate for Shawn Michaela is annoying. The shit Shawn did was 25 years ago, he turned his life and career around, does what he did from 2002-2010 go unnoticed? Let it go.
In stage combat the slap is called a “nap” but you try to hide it with sight lines and either the offense or defense can do it depending on who is more hidden by the choreography. So I throw a kick at someone facing upstage (back to audience) and they strike their shoulder with a cupped palm to make a thud sound and sell the hit, not a thigh slap. A lot of rehearsal time can be spent on timing and hiding naps in a fight scene so when I see the same technique attempted in wrestling it jumps out because it’s something that we would work to hide on stage. Also Brett is right about the slap sound. In stage combat there are techniques to get different sounds. Open hand on the thigh makes a “slap” but a cupped palm or bear claw to the pec/shoulder area will make a “thud” that’s much better for selling heavy blows. It’s heavily rehearsed though and wrestlers do not have that kind of choreography time and I think even now a lot of the athletes don’t understand how exposed they are with the camera coverage in modern tv. They are using a stage technique but getting covered at the distance of film but in a film you would use sound and frame editing to get those effects. I think it’s just a fascinating challenge for wrestlers that has never really been perfectly solved.
I remember, I was watching NXT one time. Gargano vs. Velveteenlover Dream. And Gargano fucking thigh slapped on a CHOP. A CHOP! A "WOOOOOO!" Flair chop, right across the chest, which ALREADY MAKES A SLAPPING SOUND, and he slapped his thigh anyway. That's when I turned heel on thigh slaps all together.
I love old man Bret. Yes he's full of himself but he also praises other wrestlers all the time (which no one ever talks about). Like Corny says, he's made it in life, has his money, and he can say what he want. Respect.
No Bret is not full of himself. Bret knows exactly what he has done for the business, what his brothers, his brother in law, his friends, his father has done for the business. He has a lot of pride. In all his time during and post career, he hasn’t said one thing that I didn’t agree with.
@@simsingh8492 Come on he's a bit full of himself. I idolized him as a kid, I bought his book, I watch way too many of his interviews online. He's an amazing wrestler but he's definitely full of himself. Doesn't mean he has no right to be.
@@LewisCampbellTech he has every right to be man. He’s one of the all time greats with a clean slate. Nothing he has recently or previously is out of order. He was right about Rollins being unsafe. He’s right about Goldberg. He’s right about the thigh slapping. He’s right about Hogan/Bischoff, the kliq. Guys like Hogan, Flair, triple h, hbk, Nash are guys who were full of themselves. These guys pick and chose what they left out in their shoot interviews. Bret is completely open. The guy lost his brother, brother in law, Pillman, neithard, father, had a stroke, got screwed by his father figure of a boss..he has every right to be a grinch. Guy never milked the business, he took care of hbk, Austin, shamrock, rock. He did everything he could do
@@GamingVids1984 chip on his shoulder? Brian Pillman died. His brother died after falling 78ft from the rafters. He got humiliated in his home country by his boss that was like a father figure to him. Then he got his career cut short by Goldberg. Then Bulldog passed away. Then he suffered a stroke. Come on man..
Say what you want about the leg slap, but in my opinion, Rikishi delivered the best superkicks in the business. Those big thighs he had to slap made them look absolutely devastating like he legitimately killed the guy he just kicked.
"No leg slaps" is itself a rule designed to not offend. Yes, everyone might be annoyed that they can't do something anymore but no one is specifically called out. What they should do is tell the guys that suck at leg slapping or the guys who do it too often that they're not doing it right and are not permitted to resume leg slapping until they've learned how to use it correctly. That's just simple constructive criticism. All the wrestlers should be given feedback on their work as a whole and that can include both praise and criticism. But company-wide bans don't require potential confrontation with employees and don't offend fragile egos so it's the quick and easy way out, but it's not good management.
I know McIntyre still slaps the legs, bit he is a top guy. Top guys can get away with stuff. And he'll yeah, why not? You are top guy for a reason. As for Uncle Dave being full of it? Well, he has been so full shit for the past decade methinks.
Case in point: The turnbuckle spot with tag teams where 1 guy powerbombs a guy who suplexes another guy etc... looks cool but its cooperatin. Please stop that spot
Yeah, there's a lot of obvious cooperation. Like, one dude will climb a ladder in order to do a splash on some dudes; and the dudes just stand there and wait 10 seconds to catch him.
I remember HBK said in a video with HHH and Taker reacting to their Wrestlemania matches. "at least everybody in this generation is making sure my finish is still protected." 😂
Teddy Hart of all people does a really impeccable well-hidden chest slap with his punches that you never see and it adds immensely to the quality of his working punch. Watch any of his MLW stuff. If you can't hide it don't do it.
Regardless of personal opinion over what style of wrestling is better people often forget that the entire reason for the business to exist is to draw money. The TV ratings and live gates (pre-pandemic and outside of Wrestlemania) are way down compared to past years so there is actual tangible evidence that modern style is not as effective in achieving this goal. What no one counted on was the entire business model changing with television stations being so desperate for live content that's DVR proof in a streaming world that they pay astronomical airing rights fees that prior eras never received. In the current model pumping out live content has become what's important over drawing the largest audience possible. If something were to ever change where rights fees went away wrestling will collapse because it is no longer capable of sustaining enough business outside of said fees by people who believe in it enough to part with their money to see it.
Part of the problem with the current product is the super kick used to be a finisher, now it’s nothing more than a basic move that half the locker room does. Rather than banning the leg slap, how about limiting who does the move and teach it properly.
Yeah there are too many moves that would knock out pretty much anyone on earth that everyone is able to kick out of. If you want a Hulkamania super hero or 2 and a couple monster heels that can do superhuman stuff it has worked in the past but it shouldn't be everyone on the roster except jobbers.
Kind of... Michaels and Jannetty used to use the superkick when they were in The Rockers, and Shawn used it as a set up move when he used the teardrop suplex as his finish. It was Gentleman Chris Adam's finish first, so really Michaels was the first to diminish its status.
@@jbbrolic that’s what made the 80’s and 90’s a better time for the industry imo. A finishing move was just that, a finisher. Even the most basic finisher (the leg drop) was damn near impossible to kick out of. I get it’s all fake, just making the point.
If the leg slap is done well and sparingly, I think it does add something to kicks etc. TBH. Before I figured it out as a kid, that loud crack was really something.
I remember back in the late 70's and early 80's, nobody leg-slapped. On the other hand, every wrestler would stomp the ring when they were laying in forearms. Was that any better?
Del Rio was the absolute worst. He'd lift his hand way early and you could always see a big red spot on his leg. It looked ridiculous, but they still had him using his dumb leg slapping superkick as a finish. They didn't complain then. I guess Vince hates it now because these guys aren't good enough fundamentally to get away with it.
He concussed Christian in 2014 with that superkick causing him to basically retire like Edge for a few years. Even though accidents happen, still sucks it happened
I honestly never noticed leg slaps. I do remember though some people throw punches back in the day and kinda stomp. Razor Ramon being one of them. I thought that looked more fake. I hear the slaps but I don’t really see them.
Watching Smackdown with my 8 year old daughter. She asked me why do they keep slapping their legs? If she can see through it, they aren't hiding it well.
Honestly a lot of these young guys coming into WWE need to take the advice of the veterans because Jim’s right most of the guys on the show cannot deliver a promo with the right emotion to make you care. But I have to give props to Roman, Daniel Bryan and Edge those guys have been putting on A+ performance week in and out in building up their main event. The rest of the card is so so but those guys are doing a great job and the guys should look and learn from the guys at the top.
I have a somewhat amusing story about " slapping " back in the early 80's ( dating myself here ) before the first wrestlemania, I remember being a new kid in the third grade. Now between watching wrestling with my mother who grew up watching it with her mom, and watching the old american dubbed godzilla movies with my father, I heard ' slaps ' or punches quite a bit. Similar to the 60's Batman TV series. As I said I was a new kid in the third grade and the "tough kid" of my grade decided to show me he was in charge of recess. I realize this sounds rediculous but back then it was common. Well he came up to me and started to shove me around to instigate a fight, meanwhile I had never really been in an actual fight other then the ones I would lose to my older sister until a few years after this incident. After about four or five shoves and almost falling down a gravel embankment, I decided to fight back and I slapped him across the face as hard as I could. Well that obviously wasn't hard enough, so I backhanded him, then slap again, and repeated till he fell on the ground crying with a fat bloody lip and blood coming from his nose. When the teacher pulled me away from him she had to stop herself from chuckling somewhat as to what my reaction was. I still remember looking at her with blood on my hands and I must have had a crazy confused look on my face because all I could say was, " where is the noise??". I kept hitting him harder and harder thinking I must not be hitting him hard enough because there was no " noise " being made as I struck him like I had heard on TV. I got a detention and a letter sent home for that. My dad found it funny and my mother didn't know what to say.
@@JT7Blu the dude can't work a lick. he gets lost during matches and can't perform the simplest moves without telegraphing them or botching them completely. they even edit his dark matches so you can't tell how bad he is.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 I'm going to have to take your word for it about the editing because I dont watch Dark or that other show, but from what I have seen from Dynamite, he isn't too bad. I'll take Luchasaurus wrestling over Braun any day.
I absolutely hate the running moves that involve both jumping from the top rope of the turnbuckle. It looks like interpretive ballet. They're impressive feats of athleticism but they're not believable. It's very difficult not to immediately think to yourself that it's obvious the two stars are working together.
Like every top rope spot. Guy on the ground positions himself directly in front of the camera. Superplex - Guy getting superplex positions himself on top rope directly in front of camera. Corner splash - Guy braces himself for impact. Top Rope Moves have, discreetly, exposed pro wrestling.
You watch Macho and think ouch when he drops that elbow. I saw a match where the guy did a moonsault off the ropes while the other guy waited and positioned himself on the ropes next to him so obviously. It looked silly. I wish I could remember who but they were modern wrestlers and I have no clue
Checked out of wrestling when I was about 20 (So about 8 years ago now) After watching it obsessively for 15 years. I dip in every now and then, mainly for the rumble, and mainly to see if anyone good has returned, someone from my era. But man, when I checked in recently I couldn't believe how many fucking super kicks there were. Ridiculous. Can't believe of all the things Vince has a problem with, that that isn't one of them.
I think the biggest problem with the business is that there are too many Shawn Michaels and not enough Bret Harts (I’m a hugh fan of both they have both influenced most of the guys today) too many guys trying to steal the show and not enough guys trying to put on the best most realistic matches.
There haven't been enough Bret Hart's since bret left back in the late 90s... As a kid I even noticed a change in the wrestling in WWF when Bret left and since it has spiralled into an abyss. Thankfully we had Benoit, Eddie, and Kurt to do the Technical stuff later on but even that wasent enough to save it's existence in "sports entertainment"
@@ColorsBright yeah so true now it’s just who can do the most flips and the most craziest bumps per match! I spend most of the time when I watch cringing now
HBK and Bret Hart really don't seem that far apart. Bret had no problem with Owen doing it. He hates how obvious it has become. I don't see HBK's stance as necessarily being pro corporate, but more him trying to be gentler on his students.
Bret is a prime example of why you can't be truthful. Everytime he does it there's droves of ppl ready to call him bitter. Mfs love being lied to
a lot of time, he is bitter. sometimes he's not.
I mean Bret.... Is bitter about 90% of the time. Here he is right though.
Those same people that call him bitter are the quickest ones to bitch about another wrestler or wrestling related topic.
So Johnny no name on the internet can give their opinion negative or not but Bret can’t give his.
those folks that call him bitter are usually michaels fanboys
@@Stonewall29 💯
Bret has a point about the "that wouldn't even make a slap sound".
If you went the barefoot like Atonino Rokka...or Umaga, it would.
Bret literally did a mat stomp every time he threw punch. Pretty sure punching someone in the face wouldnt make that sound either
The foot stomp was him stepping into the punch
@@Rich51185 lmao no it wasnt, all wrestlers do it. A side kick to the face does create a slap'like sound. The foot stomp kind of works too because in a boxing ring they are stepping when theyre punching but not the same stomp a wrestler makes. No noise at all from a super kick would be more unrealistic
Right more of a thud lmao
People who criticise Bret for taking himself too seriously remind me of that line Cooper gave to Sterling in Mad Men: “Nobody takes you seriously because you don’t take yourself seriously.”
I’d take Bret’s opinion on the wrestling side of the wrestling business over pretty much ANYONE.
It's funny how these days Shawn is such a diplomat, while Bret just does not give a fuck.
Shawn still works for WWE, so he has to be.
@K So has bret.
@Elias Garcia "hating" 😂😂😂
Its a "double turn"
HBK’s a good company man now. We can’t hold it against him.
Exactly why I’ll be a Bret lifer!!!! Its ironic that Shawn is being so diplomatic because imo ppl like the Young Bucks totally bury the Superkick by 2 of them not being able to beat a guy when Shawn made his whole career off 1 deadly one. Much respect to the Hitman,still my favorite!
Because he knows he's guilty of it, HBK really just existed at the right time. If Shawn Michaels hits his prime in 2020s, he would be exactly like these mudshow Bucks, only with more charisma
Stupid mark
Thamey also disrespect Bret and the SharpShooter though cause have they ever won with it.
He doesnt care
All they do is remind people of him
Its like the sharpshooter, everybody immediately thinks of bret or the figure4 is immediately associated with flair
The same goes for the super kick
the super kick isnt their finisher, they have way better tag team finishers than double super kicks. More Bang for Your Buck is even in WWE 2K.
That is so weird seeing the characters in the other's outfits.
As a lifelong wrestling fan since the age of 7, I didn’t notice the leg slapping thing until I seen Alberto Del Rio do it. I was 40. 😞
Del Rio was the worst from the start. Then the usos
There is a difference between Shawn doing it with his finisher, or Kane slapping his arm with his uppercuts, and guys doing it on every spot.
At that point, you might as well do POW! Wham! comic book effects.
Kane always hid it well
I never even knew Kane slapped his arm wtf. I mean it makes sense from the noise but it was never super obvious. Wow...
Kane and Harley race were the the best to work with cause they knew their s**t.
EXACTLY
Like Braun Strowman’s train sound effect lmfao
The fact that regular people are even aware of the leg slap says something about its misuse. I watched wrestling all through the 90s and early 2000s and never knew anybody was slapping their leg.
Ohhh I sure did. Not to be that guy but I am 41 & I always wondered why a kick to the chin sounded like a slap. I quickly figured in pausing match that his hand was always slapping his leg
35+ years of watching and - although I caught a few, nowhere near as many as today. Maybe they were just better at choosing their spot or concealing it. maybe I just wasn't as ...experienced (jaded) but now I see it multiple times a match
Michael’s was IMO the best of the leg slappers. He concealed it well and because of the way he set up the super kick there wasn’t much time or desire to analyze what happened. Today, the slapping is obvious and almost part of the move whereas Michael’s used it as part of the illusion.
Most regular people AREN'T. Regular people are not watching wrestling podcasts.
@@FUGP72 They are talking about the New York Post. 🤦♀
Either hide the leg slap like The Rock, Razor Ramon and Shawn Michaels did or don't do it at all because it looks stupid today when they over do it right in your face.
Yeah these idiot wrestlers just plainly doing it like Adam Cole, Dolph, and even the women’s wrestlers.
@Democrats are racist he slapped his leg for his punch everyonce and awhile
the rock was really the first one i noticed actually slapping his leg on his punches , lol
I can agree with that. If you can hide the leg slap well, and not do that often, ok, I can get it. I guess, as much as I like AEW, I can't really dig the Young Bucks for that big reason. I can get in kayfabe that certain moves have different levels of effectiveness, but if most of your arsenal involves kicks, I'd expect, again in kayfabe, that a few of those kicks you've utilized you've developed enough to be absolutely devastating. And all those kicks are just another move for the Bucks. If I hear a loud smack, either someone got chopped, or someone just got a devastating boot upside the head, and that should be good for the 1, 2, 3.
The Rock's leg slaps were really obvious
I think Bret is the only no-nonsense wrestler Cornette can still rely on to tell it like it is.
Bret as hypocritical as Corny for sure...and he also allows Corny to show how his hypocrisy is based on who is nice to him vs who is not. Watch any Bret Hart punch and his fake-ass double foot stomp TO CREATE A SOUND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT THE SOUND OF THE PUNCH...
"Tell it like it is baybay. . . . I said I wanted to find me a woman"
@@mr.x9566 I believe that's "a woh-man".
@@78bcat If Bret said that wrestlers make a slap-noise when there shouldn't be one, ie; a punch, why would Bret foot-stomp when he punches knowing full well that when you punch someone, it totally doesnt sound like a mic'd up wrestling ring being stamped on?
Bret has said numerous times that the reason he (and this is likely true of other wrestlers) stamps when he punches, is to pull them so that he doesnt potato anyone. They're working punches. Mike Routundo and Rick Rude are 2 other wrestlers of the top of my head that also punched in the same manner regardless of wether they were in or out of the ring.
"The Heartbreak Man" Bret Hart
Shawn "The Hitboy" Michaels
Hahahahahaha
Khkhkhkhkkhh
And dont forget the peoples rattlesnake triple h
One of the worst leg slappers that I can remember was Alberto del Rio. Could always see it when he did it. Plus used it too much.
Yes, I did when I wasn't trying to see it. He was the only person I've noticed it on when trying not to look for it.
I get what Bret is getting at. He’s not calling wrestling fake, just saying it could look fake.
@Zedrik Allen right, if boxers did that it would look fake, even in a legit match.
It's like what Corny said at 5:45ish, if they once in a while did the slap, it would get over. But when it happens everytime it gets old. Unfortunately that's where the industry is heading now: over use of the big spots, for instance, remember when a ddt was a huge deal, now everyone does it and they kick out every time.
AEW has the most leg slaps off ALLTIME. Once you see it, you cant watch another match without looking for it. They are really bad at hiding it. Almost like they are showing off what great wrestling school they didn't go to. #EveryAEWWrestlerHasASuperKick
George Carlin on blues
"I'll tell you a little secret about the Blues: it's not enough to know which notes to play, you have to know why they need to be played."
The current generation grew up watching luchadors on WCW and emulate the flips and dives they'd see them do. However they know the what but not the why and how of those moves. There has to be psychology to it. Compare the lucha matches you'd seen on WCW to the modern day copycats.
Aew is joke
Agree Leem
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Dinosaurs guy in aew all he does is leg slaps. He sucks.
So WWE been doing it for a long time no complaints, AEW does it *"Hey! That's illegal"*
Bret Hart never lies to the fans. Still my hero.
He's the man! I want Bret around for decades to come. I just hope he keeps his stress levels down and keeps his health as his #1 priority. He's a national treasure in Canada and a legend here in the US.
Just 100% pure bad ass! The best there is, best there was, and the best there ever will be!
Except for every time he said he was “the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.”
@@RedSoxFanatic4Life Nah. He really is the best
He did kinda lie about all the infidelity
This art would probably cause a mini riot in the locker room in 1997😂😂
100%. That was my first reaction at seeing the thumbnail. 😂Travis Heckel gets a pass on this one. 😅
Travis' artwork is second to none. Guy has a great sense of humor with these videos 🤣
Solid comment
@Gaylord Focker i'm shocked no one's taken up on this.
"The Heartbreak Kid" Bret Hart and Shawn "Hitman" Michaels
I'm trying to visualize what the HBK theme would sound like sung by Bret Hart.
Tbh if Bret was still affiliated he would still speak his mind, that's why he has so much of a fanbase
Truth. Its why I respect him really,Bret feels how Bret feels and he isnt gonna change that because it inconveniences somebody’s feelings.
Honest to the point of cruel sometimes but at least you know where you stand with him. It also bled into his character of the Hitman imo, no nonsense genuine person
Imo, because he still spoke his mind is a big part to why he isn't affiliated yet still a Legend
@@only1icon1801 yeah he’s basically cutting promos still by just talking about wrestling 😂
Kane does a hell of a hidden arm slap while upper cutting opponents. That always looked great.
Same goes for Dustin Rhodes. Those two have my fav upper cutters
@Merc Rogue Damn right!
@@bumpingseagull9392 I agree.
It looked deadly and it was sooo quick, I couldn't even see if it was with a closed fist or straight fingers.
I used to love the sound because I didn’t see the slap. I thought it was a real contact sound. Then when I learned how they did it I still appreciated it because I didn’t actually see it. Now they do it right on camera.
Bret is brutally honest. I love it.
If Bret and Shawn could've worked together and Vince invest in them both could you imagine the matches we didn't get.
Shawn would continuously lost his smile
Bret actually wanted to do that. He wanted a series of championship matches with HBK going over in the end to help establish HBK as the next face of WWE. But when that fell through because of HBKs Attitude, he went with Austin instead, who actually appreciated the work Bret did to get him over. Bret understood the fact that he wouldn't be around forever and helped push Austin to eventually take over the top spot.
Its actually the same reason Hart refused to beat rock for the IC title in their match together. Because he understood that it did nothing for the Rock. He wanted to help elevate the Rock, not hold him down, which is what the cliq wanted when they were pushing for having Hart beat Rock for the belt.
Unlike HBK back then, Hart actually cared about the business and building toward a future where someone else would inherit the top spot.
Is it any wonder that he didn't want to put over HBK on his way out? Michael's was disrespectful and didn't hold the business' best interests at HART, considering all the talent he and the Cliq held down or attempted to hold down.
@@titanhades4331 👆🏾👍🏾
Many more matches with Stone Cold and Undertaker + Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle or hell, Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan. Bret wouldn’t have gone to WCW. Above all, Owen would be here.
Shawn could've had the greatest heel run and then a legit babyface turn.
The best leg slappers of all time are Naomichi Marufuji and Tajiri. Could NEVER see those guys doing it even though they were.
Tajiri was pretty awesome at his, he did it so fast and he had that snap to it that made it seem so impactful.
That buzzsaw kick when you were kneeling on the mat was BRUTAL! Shit sounded like a gunshot and you could never tell there was a leg slap. You really believed he claimed someone's soul with that kick. Lmao
What about yoko?
Not going to lie, wish he'd had a run with the IC belt
Nerd and smarks
Why did he say that he's always of the cloth? 😂😂
i mean this leg slapping thing has gotten out of control! lol
Because it's the same video game shit all across the board.
Hugely, it takes away from the matches at this point
@@QAZ-OMEN this shit is like one big joke to them. But they wonder why they are as respected as the wrestlers back then. That's like Lil Nas X wondering why ppl don't treat him like 2pac
@@zomb60 yeah they just don't measure up
If you don't dig Bret Hitman Hart, pro wrestling probably isn't for you.
Facts
HBK did the leg slap right, they dont even try to hide it anymore
Well he did it once a match, not 10x during a match. He never overkilled it
@@simsingh8492 this pretty much goes hand in hand with the argument that most matches have become spot fests.
He hides it but sweet chin music also looks devastating and he always hits it.
Modern day they DON'T hide it and also frequently completely miss which makes the noise sound stupid even if you couldn't see them slap the leg.
@@thetravenousgamer exactly spot fest acrobatics circus like.
I never knew how he did it in all these years until I saw Kofi the skinny champion do it
What annoys me is that so many guys don't seem to get the point of the slap. The idea is to make noise so a move seem impactful but the audience isn't supposed to see you do the slap. Today, everyone sees the slap, it has become part of the move. Look at anyone doing a ddt or something similar, it slap is obvious and looks stupid. The slap today would be like watching a Superman film and seeing a wire attached to him during the flying scenes - you know what you are seeing is not real but that wire now makes it fake.
The art of the leg slap is to atleast make an attempt to hide it from the audience. These geeks now just wind up like a major league pitcher.
Mr. Lahey
Owen Hart and Shawn Michaels leg slapping was special because it was for one move. It's ridiculous nowadays how many guys with how many moves do it and not even for a finisher or one of the big signature moves that might win the match
This art rules
Two of the most bitter rivals in and out of the ring, that resulted in the biggest controversy in the history of professional wrestling... brought together by some outlaw wannabes slapping their thighs lol
Ask ole anderson about leg slapping and what happened if you use to do it.
After talking about Owen, I thought Bret would've finished that "enough is enough" with "it's time for a change!"
That's exactly what I thought
Is that a claude aftv reference ?
@@brianbethel9673 Its an Owen Hart reference.
Brets comments are always the best. Real honest takes. But Jim’s hate for Shawn Michaela is annoying. The shit Shawn did was 25 years ago, he turned his life and career around, does what he did from 2002-2010 go unnoticed? Let it go.
With how Jim was positioned in the drawing, it made it look like Bret had a huge left arm lol.
Ikr
That can't be a Shawn Michaels quote, There aren't 30 "You know's" in it.
Could you imagine Hulk Hogan doing a leg drop with the leg slap sound? 😂😂😂
That's not really a fair comparison as no one today uses a slap during a leg drop. It's only with superkicks, uppercuts, and punches.
Bret will share his opinion and some will say "oh here goes Bret being negative" even though he is 100% right. Bret makes SO much sense.
In stage combat the slap is called a “nap” but you try to hide it with sight lines and either the offense or defense can do it depending on who is more hidden by the choreography. So I throw a kick at someone facing upstage (back to audience) and they strike their shoulder with a cupped palm to make a thud sound and sell the hit, not a thigh slap. A lot of rehearsal time can be spent on timing and hiding naps in a fight scene so when I see the same technique attempted in wrestling it jumps out because it’s something that we would work to hide on stage.
Also Brett is right about the slap sound. In stage combat there are techniques to get different sounds. Open hand on the thigh makes a “slap” but a cupped palm or bear claw to the pec/shoulder area will make a “thud” that’s much better for selling heavy blows. It’s heavily rehearsed though and wrestlers do not have that kind of choreography time and I think even now a lot of the athletes don’t understand how exposed they are with the camera coverage in modern tv. They are using a stage technique but getting covered at the distance of film but in a film you would use sound and frame editing to get those effects. I think it’s just a fascinating challenge for wrestlers that has never really been perfectly solved.
I remember, I was watching NXT one time. Gargano vs. Velveteenlover Dream. And Gargano fucking thigh slapped on a CHOP. A CHOP! A "WOOOOOO!" Flair chop, right across the chest, which ALREADY MAKES A SLAPPING SOUND, and he slapped his thigh anyway. That's when I turned heel on thigh slaps all together.
It took me years to realize Shawn was slapping his thigh for the Music. I suppose he's that damn good.
I love old man Bret. Yes he's full of himself but he also praises other wrestlers all the time (which no one ever talks about). Like Corny says, he's made it in life, has his money, and he can say what he want. Respect.
No Bret is not full of himself. Bret knows exactly what he has done for the business, what his brothers, his brother in law, his friends, his father has done for the business. He has a lot of pride. In all his time during and post career, he hasn’t said one thing that I didn’t agree with.
@@simsingh8492 Come on he's a bit full of himself. I idolized him as a kid, I bought his book, I watch way too many of his interviews online. He's an amazing wrestler but he's definitely full of himself. Doesn't mean he has no right to be.
@@LewisCampbellTech he has every right to be man. He’s one of the all time greats with a clean slate. Nothing he has recently or previously is out of order. He was right about Rollins being unsafe. He’s right about Goldberg. He’s right about the thigh slapping. He’s right about Hogan/Bischoff, the kliq. Guys like Hogan, Flair, triple h, hbk, Nash are guys who were full of themselves. These guys pick and chose what they left out in their shoot interviews. Bret is completely open. The guy lost his brother, brother in law, Pillman, neithard, father, had a stroke, got screwed by his father figure of a boss..he has every right to be a grinch. Guy never milked the business, he took care of hbk, Austin, shamrock, rock. He did everything he could do
I loved Bret's matches and his character. He did have a serious chip on his shoulder though.
@@GamingVids1984 chip on his shoulder? Brian Pillman died. His brother died after falling 78ft from the rafters. He got humiliated in his home country by his boss that was like a father figure to him. Then he got his career cut short by Goldberg. Then Bulldog passed away. Then he suffered a stroke. Come on man..
Say what you want about the leg slap, but in my opinion, Rikishi delivered the best superkicks in the business. Those big thighs he had to slap made them look absolutely devastating like he legitimately killed the guy he just kicked.
Yeah but he didn’t do it 20 times in every god damn match.
Rikishi was a pro who could pull it off right. A lot of these guys don't seem properly trained.
@@davidburke7777 exactly. Once a match is no big deal.
@@simsingh8492 - Absolutely same as Shawn did it once a match.
@@davidburke7777 right. Nothing wrong with that.
I think what HBK meant was he too was "Cut from the same cloth" in terms of the leg slapping trend.
I thought he meant he is a man of the cloth as in a priest lol.
He meant that he's been having his way with a few altar boys.
@@jd9119 Jesus Christ!
@@DespicablepunK25 I don't think HBK fucked Jesus. But if you say so...
The HitHart Kid and the Excellence of Breaking Men, Bret Michaels and Shawn Hart.
😂😂😂
What?!? Lol
Bret Michaels the singer? Rock of love? To quote Dwight schrute, " identity theft is a serious crime jim! millions of people suffer from it. "
Funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm creating this tag team in 2k19
I think this is the perfect example of two different things being true at the same time. Both Brett and HBK are right honestly.
I never stopped to think about how they both wore hearts on their outfits. Love the artwork.
Bret on Shawn's body and Shawn on Bret's body?
I think...something like that
Just wearing the others ring attire
Wrestling freaky Friday shit
"No leg slaps" is itself a rule designed to not offend. Yes, everyone might be annoyed that they can't do something anymore but no one is specifically called out. What they should do is tell the guys that suck at leg slapping or the guys who do it too often that they're not doing it right and are not permitted to resume leg slapping until they've learned how to use it correctly. That's just simple constructive criticism. All the wrestlers should be given feedback on their work as a whole and that can include both praise and criticism. But company-wide bans don't require potential confrontation with employees and don't offend fragile egos so it's the quick and easy way out, but it's not good management.
Except they still slap the legs. Uncle Dave is full of it on this one
He's a mark anyway
I know one of the WWE top ten highlight videos on UA-cam in the past week featured a leg slap
I know McIntyre still slaps the legs, bit he is a top guy. Top guys can get away with stuff. And he'll yeah, why not? You are top guy for a reason.
As for Uncle Dave being full of it? Well, he has been so full shit for the past decade methinks.
@@jaymeister4850 Tyler Breeze did it at least once during his match with Escobar this week on NXT.
@@JT7Blu omg really
Case in point: The turnbuckle spot with tag teams where 1 guy powerbombs a guy who suplexes another guy etc... looks cool but its cooperatin. Please stop that spot
I love how Corny hit the applause button after Bret's comment. Corny is a fucking classic.
Kane always did a beautiful leg slap when he did his uppercut style'd punch
Yeah, there's a lot of obvious cooperation. Like, one dude will climb a ladder in order to do a splash on some dudes; and the dudes just stand there and wait 10 seconds to catch him.
I remember HBK said in a video with HHH and Taker reacting to their Wrestlemania matches. "at least everybody in this generation is making sure my finish is still protected." 😂
Wow i was totally fooled. Lol. When Shawn did the kick, that smack sound was loud. He really sold those kicks.
Teddy Hart of all people does a really impeccable well-hidden chest slap with his punches that you never see and it adds immensely to the quality of his working punch. Watch any of his MLW stuff. If you can't hide it don't do it.
Regardless of personal opinion over what style of wrestling is better people often forget that the entire reason for the business to exist is to draw money. The TV ratings and live gates (pre-pandemic and outside of Wrestlemania) are way down compared to past years so there is actual tangible evidence that modern style is not as effective in achieving this goal. What no one counted on was the entire business model changing with television stations being so desperate for live content that's DVR proof in a streaming world that they pay astronomical airing rights fees that prior eras never received. In the current model pumping out live content has become what's important over drawing the largest audience possible. If something were to ever change where rights fees went away wrestling will collapse because it is no longer capable of sustaining enough business outside of said fees by people who believe in it enough to part with their money to see it.
the main dude doing the leg slap with hand being so obvious in the air before the slap is Adam Cole.
He’s absolutely horrible with it. And in my opinion the worse offender.
I think Gargano is the worst. I was watching an osw review and i was like wtf was that.
@@aro327 Yeah he's just as bad.
Bret Hart is a fucking legend. He put testicular cancer in the Sharpshooter.
Yoshihiro Tajiri is the ultimate leg slapper. And I mean that as a compliment. I don't think anyone can throw a kick the way Tajiri did.
Imagine Rikishi's Stinkface having a slap sound? How about Undertaker's tombstone? 😂😂😂😂😂
Or a Stone Cold Stunner 😂
Stinkface should be more of a slurp noise lol 😂😂
Lol with the bullshit with train sounds for Braun and Riddles assbirds they would probably edit farting noises when Rikishi did the stinkface.
Montreal caused a Freaky Friday with Bret and Shawn
good comment you win the internet today
Part of the problem with the current product is the super kick used to be a finisher, now it’s nothing more than a basic move that half the locker room does. Rather than banning the leg slap, how about limiting who does the move and teach it properly.
Yeah there are too many moves that would knock out pretty much anyone on earth that everyone is able to kick out of. If you want a Hulkamania super hero or 2 and a couple monster heels that can do superhuman stuff it has worked in the past but it shouldn't be everyone on the roster except jobbers.
Kind of... Michaels and Jannetty used to use the superkick when they were in The Rockers, and Shawn used it as a set up move when he used the teardrop suplex as his finish. It was Gentleman Chris Adam's finish first, so really Michaels was the first to diminish its status.
@@jbbrolic that’s what made the 80’s and 90’s a better time for the industry imo. A finishing move was just that, a finisher. Even the most basic finisher (the leg drop) was damn near impossible to kick out of. I get it’s all fake, just making the point.
@@AlbertonBeastmaster I remember the rockers doing it and Shawn using it as a set up.
@@AlbertonBeastmaster great call with Gentleman Chris adams btw.
I miss stomping the mat whenever a punch is thrown. Aka Stone Cold and The Rock.
Austin was so damn notorious for those whacky looking ass whooping he would give but boy did we all go nuts for it back then 🤣
And Bret.
It's nice to hear from Bret and Shawn. I would love to hear from Scott and Rick Steiner on their opinion of leg slapping
Scott might make it into a lesson about exactly how many leg slaps are acceptable. Maybe 33 1/3...
If the leg slap is done well and sparingly, I think it does add something to kicks etc. TBH. Before I figured it out as a kid, that loud crack was really something.
Guys like HBK and Rikishi were great at hiding the leg slap on their super kicks
Tajiri as well
@@peacepunksean1942 tajiri was one of the best at hiding the slap
Does every f****** move need a f****** sound effect
@@chrischar9428 no they do not
Imagine if Bret was in charge of the WWE the quality of matches we would get.
Completely agree with Bret here. He will always remain in my top 5
I remember back in the late 70's and early 80's, nobody leg-slapped. On the other hand, every wrestler would stomp the ring when they were laying in forearms. Was that any better?
Del Rio was the absolute worst. He'd lift his hand way early and you could always see a big red spot on his leg. It looked ridiculous, but they still had him using his dumb leg slapping superkick as a finish. They didn't complain then. I guess Vince hates it now because these guys aren't good enough fundamentally to get away with it.
He concussed Christian in 2014 with that superkick causing him to basically retire like Edge for a few years. Even though accidents happen, still sucks it happened
Adam Cole is worse than ADR in leg slapping
Del Rio was bad. He didn’t care at all for the business. Boring and brutal on the mic. “It’s my destiny”
I bet Del Rio wished Crocop had slapped his leg instead of decapitating him for real.
😭😭😭😭
I honestly never noticed leg slaps. I do remember though some people throw punches back in the day and kinda stomp. Razor Ramon being one of them. I thought that looked more fake. I hear the slaps but I don’t really see them.
Shawn Hart is so great he even has six fingers on each hand
And Brett Michaels has 4!!!
Watching Smackdown with my 8 year old daughter. She asked me why do they keep slapping their legs? If she can see through it, they aren't hiding it well.
Hbk did the curtain call so im sure he means it when he says its ok. The guy helped expose business as fake back then too
They should send these new wrestlers to the Wahoo😲😳 McDaniel school of🤚 chopping!
Cornette hates Michaels to this day. He won't let old shit go. He's almost as bitter as Bret.
Travis is a beast with the thumbnail!
Brilliant artwork Travis, This is special, 😂 The Hart break kid Bret Hart, The Hitman Shawn Michaels 👍
Bret Hart is spot on
Wrestling is so ludicrous nowadays that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels can unintentionally agree on something.
makes me miss the 80s and the stomping haha demolition were the best at it lol
This is one of my favorite thumbnails great job Travis very creative!!
Absolutely love the artwork!!!! Lmao
Honestly a lot of these young guys coming into WWE need to take the advice of the veterans because Jim’s right most of the guys on the show cannot deliver a promo with the right emotion to make you care. But I have to give props to Roman, Daniel Bryan and Edge those guys have been putting on A+ performance week in and out in building up their main event. The rest of the card is so so but those guys are doing a great job and the guys should look and learn from the guys at the top.
Idk why shawn and brett wearing each others outfits is so silly lmao
I have a somewhat amusing story about " slapping " back in the early 80's ( dating myself here ) before the first wrestlemania, I remember being a new kid in the third grade. Now between watching wrestling with my mother who grew up watching it with her mom, and watching the old american dubbed godzilla movies with my father, I heard ' slaps ' or punches quite a bit. Similar to the 60's Batman TV series. As I said I was a new kid in the third grade and the "tough kid" of my grade decided to show me he was in charge of recess. I realize this sounds rediculous but back then it was common. Well he came up to me and started to shove me around to instigate a fight, meanwhile I had never really been in an actual fight other then the ones I would lose to my older sister until a few years after this incident. After about four or five shoves and almost falling down a gravel embankment, I decided to fight back and I slapped him across the face as hard as I could. Well that obviously wasn't hard enough, so I backhanded him, then slap again, and repeated till he fell on the ground crying with a fat bloody lip and blood coming from his nose. When the teacher pulled me away from him she had to stop herself from chuckling somewhat as to what my reaction was. I still remember looking at her with blood on my hands and I must have had a crazy confused look on my face because all I could say was, " where is the noise??". I kept hitting him harder and harder thinking I must not be hitting him hard enough because there was no " noise " being made as I struck him like I had heard on TV. I got a detention and a letter sent home for that. My dad found it funny and my mother didn't know what to say.
Luchasaurus literally breaks down and plays a damn game of Patty Cake in the middle of all his matches. It is so hard to watch that dude
luchasaurus makes nathan jones look like undertaker. one of the worst big men in the history of wrestling.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 definitely not. Luchasaurus isn't even bad. He just needs to stop the flipping and wrestle like a guy his size.
@@JT7Blu the dude can't work a lick. he gets lost during matches and can't perform the simplest moves without telegraphing them or botching them completely. they even edit his dark matches so you can't tell how bad he is.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 I'm going to have to take your word for it about the editing because I dont watch Dark or that other show, but from what I have seen from Dynamite, he isn't too bad. I'll take Luchasaurus wrestling over Braun any day.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 AEW fans were calling him the "new Kane" LOL
I’d love a 97 HBK answer to the leg slap question
"These motherfuckers are shitting on my finish!"
I absolutely hate the running moves that involve both jumping from the top rope of the turnbuckle. It looks like interpretive ballet. They're impressive feats of athleticism but they're not believable. It's very difficult not to immediately think to yourself that it's obvious the two stars are working together.
Shut up LOL
I'm always of the cloth?
Literally read your comment as Brian said it. Hilarious.
I think what HBK meant was "CUT" from the same cloth.
Wolf in sheeps cloth
Obviously Vince chose the wrong guy.
Like every top rope spot. Guy on the ground positions himself directly in front of the camera. Superplex - Guy getting superplex positions himself on top rope directly in front of camera. Corner splash - Guy braces himself for impact. Top Rope Moves have, discreetly, exposed pro wrestling.
You watch Macho and think ouch when he drops that elbow. I saw a match where the guy did a moonsault off the ropes while the other guy waited and positioned himself on the ropes next to him so obviously. It looked silly. I wish I could remember who but they were modern wrestlers and I have no clue
If they hid the slap as well as HBK did, it wouldn’t be a problem. Too noticeable and too often now
Checked out of wrestling when I was about 20 (So about 8 years ago now) After watching it obsessively for 15 years. I dip in every now and then, mainly for the rumble, and mainly to see if anyone good has returned, someone from my era. But man, when I checked in recently I couldn't believe how many fucking super kicks there were. Ridiculous. Can't believe of all the things Vince has a problem with, that that isn't one of them.
I think the biggest problem with the business is that there are too many Shawn Michaels and not enough Bret Harts (I’m a hugh fan of both they have both influenced most of the guys today) too many guys trying to steal the show and not enough guys trying to put on the best most realistic matches.
There haven't been enough Bret Hart's since bret left back in the late 90s... As a kid I even noticed a change in the wrestling in WWF when Bret left and since it has spiralled into an abyss. Thankfully we had Benoit, Eddie, and Kurt to do the Technical stuff later on but even that wasent enough to save it's existence in "sports entertainment"
@@ColorsBright yeah so true now it’s just who can do the most flips and the most craziest bumps per match! I spend most of the time when I watch cringing now
He is of the cloth. That’s good shit
HBK and Bret Hart really don't seem that far apart. Bret had no problem with Owen doing it. He hates how obvious it has become. I don't see HBK's stance as necessarily being pro corporate, but more him trying to be gentler on his students.