Jim Cornette on A&E's Shawn Michaels Biography
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- From Episode 192 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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There's a quote from Bret Hart that I love: "The worst thing about Shawn Michaels is that he knows how good he is."
I rmember also Kurt Angle talking about his match with HBK at WM21. Angle said that Shawn never wanted to do anything prior to the match. In Angle's words "is he really think he's that good?" And come WM time. Shawn showed his Mr. WrestleMania performance.
That actually reminds me of my favorite quote from John Cena about Randy Orton "he's the only person who doesn't know how good he is."
There's a quote from Michael Shawn Hickenbottom that I love: "by the way, how did YOU know I was in a girly magazine? You couldn't help yourself, couldja? You had to flip through the pages just a little bit!" *cue JR hightailing out of the ring*
@@Forever_Thatter lol
That hits different 👌
1997 Bad Blood immediately comes to mind, but Shawn bled all the time from 2002-2004. You could guarantee every PPV match between HHH and Shawn was going to be a bloodbath.
thought of this right away lol.
Royal Rumble 04 is one of my favorite last man standing matches
He also bladed against Jericho in 2008 at a PPV
@@arnavbhagwat4232 he did not say he never bled he said he bled more b4 coming a pro then as a pro
@@darkdude2000 "point to me the time in his career, once he got in the business and became a star, that you ever saw him bleed."
Sounds like Corny doesn't remember Michaels ever bleeding in WWF/E.
This is how you know Jim's disdain for Omega & the Bucks work is genuine. He hated Shawn passionately but could always praise his work.
That’s what makes all this so bizarre, the elite guys aren’t that different from Michaels
@@zakrowe1301 wat
@@ayewhaddupdoe yeah, anything that you criticise omega and the bucks about michaels has also done. Anything you praise michaels for omega and to a lesser degree omega has done. I’m so many ways kenny omega is this generations hbk
@@zakrowe1301 You're out of your mind.
@@maxxdahl6062 how?
LMAO “Shawn Michaels had a match with a ladder, and Razor Ramona was there.”
Gotta love cornette
He needs to make a book with all his sayings and nicknames. lol
@@txputangpirate629 right!!! It would be like an encyclopedia lmao
@@Neldotteevee ... it was a Ric Flair quote.
@@kevinkelly1529 was it really?
i hated Shawn in the feud with Bret. Any time his music came on I just shouted at the tv. That's a sign of a great heel. The New Generation is not as bad as we remember
Agreed. Many people have a very, very, very hard time separating 'out of style' from 'bad quality'. There was tons of great action and fun characters during that era. Wrestling was just played out for most people and the muscle guys were gone and it really stopped being cool until the nWo and Austin reconnected wrestling with the world.
@@leomdk939 ECW re-ignited the wrestling world, really their cult following early on is responsible for the " Attitude era" starting and gimmicks like Stone Cold blowing up, Mick Foley getting his real shot to shine on WWF television etc.. I miss those days so much.. For original ECW and the Attitude Era.. Shit was so good, so much fun every week!!!
I can hate shawn but I love tht damn song lmao
@@jeyrascall2062 I was watching his A&E Biography last night and was just literally talking about how great of a wrestler Shawn is but tht I have always HATED his intro music 😂
@@danielwilson9724 I miss WCW.. I must admit ECW had people talking and while WCW and WWF had people watching.. ECW gave Pro Wrestling a much needed boost..
I’ve always respected Jim for being able to give Shawn credit over the years. That’s someone who loves wrestling and someone who loves GOOD wrestling, that he can set aside the personal stuff they had.
And then Trump came and destroyed Jim's brain. Hopefully they find a cure for his TDS.
To be fair to Corny, he's always giving wrestlers their flowers for their abilities; he may hate them as people, but always gives them their dues.
Lol Austin Aries and Kenny King are good examples.
“I’ll give you a show like you’ve never ever seen before. Why? Because I can!”
My favorite HBK quote next to "Come on, you were an ass long before I made one out of ya!"
@@mjolden naw gots to be
"Now hit myyyyyyyyy music"
The Heartbreak Kid lays down for absolutely noooooobody
@@kage1695 that's my 2nd fav
Except his last match in Saudi Arabia. Which they conveniently left out lol. Giving lapsed wrestling fans the impression that his last match was in 2010 against The Undertaker lol. Nope, it sure wasn't!
Good bio all-around. But damn were some facts left out!
Damn it seems that Jim wants see the good in Shawn, even though they had heat in the past. It refreshing to hear.
The past ten years or so, Shawn's seemed like a genuinely good guy. 2002-2010 he was improving.
@@WMW011387 Yea, he's been kinda a mentor to the younger guys, really wished he retired, a couple of years later than he did, we couldve seen hbk vs CM punk, hbk vs Daniel bryan, him vs Sting maybe??? Definitely couldve gotten him vs AJ Styles
@@stanhenderson9928 Him vs. Styles, what a dream match!
I just think anyone that knows Shawn or knew Shawn knows what he really is, Shawn may have grown up and in his old age became wiser and more humble but there’s probably a lot of caveats to that sentiment that suggest otherwise. Maybe it’s something to do with his crocked eye that made him a bit more self aware, suddenly Shawn isn’t the same Shawn anymore and it reduces his confidence, which naturally makes you more ‘humble’. I have no idea if he’s a much better person now, but something tells me he’s still a dick at heart, and the people that have that opinion of him have every right to think that based on the general consensus on him
@Hidden Sword It is actually more intelligent to base your expectation of someone based on your knowledge and interpretation of their history in order to make a more informed decision. Alas, it is retarded to expect a leopard to change it's spots.
Jim reminds me of the Angry video game nerd, but with Wrestling. Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 spot on
Nice.
Classic
Who booked this, Fred Fuchs?
Right! 😂😂😂
So nice to hear Jim give Michael's a great review.
kinda sad that Sherri Martel seen on screen for Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, and Harlem Heat. I don't remember her name being mentioned once. She managed all three. In fact, the only prominent spot I think was Ms. Elizabeth attacking her.
Preach.
And Flair too! She was special
And Ted Dibaise
I shall also never forget her version of Shawn's theme song that she "sang" on. Sherri gets ignored A LOT by the wrestling community and historians. She constantly worked to make the talent she was managing look good, without taking too much of the spotlight. She did it intentionally, as one of the most selfless people to have ever been in the industry.
Sensational Sherri Martel was the best all-round female talent in the history of wrestling IMO. Wrestler, manager, heel, talker, promo, a great look... the lot... she could do it all.. Leaves these current "diva's" for dead.
What killed wrestling is these wrestlers going on social media and the internet and exposing the business! They don’t even try to protect the business and kayfabe any longer, it’s an absolute disgrace!
LOL what? The wrestling business was exposed like 20 years before social media existed. WWE exposed it by admitting it was scripted to get out from under the regulation of the state athletic commissions back in the early 1990's.
@@chriskay1449 ya I know but even during the attitude era, the wrestlers protected kayfabe and at least tried to pretend it’s real... now everyone openly admits it’s fake on the internet and social media
@@ladistar And on camera -_-
If anything theres less kayfabe online nowadays than there was in the 00s/early 10s. You see plenty of workers trying to work the fans nowadays. Plus giving work/shoot interviews, too.
@@ladistar They did not try to protect it during the Attitude Era. Wrestlers freely gave shoot interviews starting during that time period. Some a little bit before then, too. Granted, there was not social media and so there was no 24/7 Twitter posts. But, they were definitely doing shoot interviews.
The knowledge this man has about this business is amazing.
HBK bled like a fucking faucet on several occasions in his 2nd run. Just look at any ladder match or street fight against HHH.
Yea, it's like the argument that he didn't draw. They leave out the second run.
I couldn't stop laughing at The Thumbnail 💔😂😂. Shawn's face😆
Michaels has been quite open about the asshole he was during that span in his career.....I will give him props on that. Hey I am like Jim when it comes to religion, but if Shawn "finding Jesus" makes him a better person and he's not hurting anyone anymore than more power to him.
It's kind of hard not to acknowledge it when literally everybody has something negative to say about you.
@@TheMarc388 True lol
I say this as an agnostic: people only ex-mock assholes "finding religion" when it comes to Christianity. They dont say it when someone converts to Islam or Buddhism. And they shouldnt mock them, either.
@@erikstorm8935 A lot of these "Christians" go around proselytizing and trying to convert other people. I don't know see a lot of Buddhists do that and they don't put themselves on a pedestal either.
If Shawn is happy with it, fine. But a lot of these idiots who do it think they will be forgiven by other people because they supposedly "found Jesus." Just ask Joey Ryan.
@@erikstorm8935 Thank You!! Tell the truth!
"Tell me a time he bled"...dude literally had the worst blade job ever in the hell on a cell, bled like crazy and took one hell of a chair shot from Taker
I just posted same. Im glad to see another confirm that for me... I thought it was hell in a cell. Shawn wore a maxi pad on his forehead for like a month after 😆
Vs triple h too at the royal rumble
@@flashpointblank4914 Yeah exactly, plus before that nobody in the wwf was really bleeding until 97 onwards and like other people have said on his return he was constantly doing it.
And against Jericho at ghe GAB which actually made them stop bleeding as crazy as they used tobo think it made vince ban bleeding or something around that nature
@@benjaminubben4436 yeah i know but i liked that match alot 😅
"As a worker. Michaels was without peer" - Jim Cornette
@Andy Parker I don't believe you
I just saw the bio and it was excellent. HBK vs Kurt Angle WM 21 was one of my favorite matches of all time.
I listen to Jim&Brian while doing work and that Stephen P. New bit had me in tears.. had to pause for a few minutes
That new theme is laughing gold
I don't deserve liorr
Thanks for the kind words Jim on us filming the curtain call ;) . Btw i do have a great quality of the tape as i have the original.
Really cool you recorded the curtain call. Legendary
If that's really you, you should keep your distance from Jim lmao
I heard they tried to pull the old "lets have them arrested" prank on you. How cringe was that?
Well said Manican2000, and How good is their quality? Not as good as the originals! Haters gonna hate! Just wondering was Jim gonna hit you with his tennis racket?
so technically "you" broke kayfabe lol
Shawn's back bump was very similar to the one that ended Rick rudes career, who was planning a comeback before he died. It didn't look like a brutal bump, but after having so many brutal bumps over your career, it's not gonna take much to really hurt it.
Opioids played a role.
“Undertaker, you might be 16 & O at Wrestlemania, but I AM MR. WRESTLEMANIA!”
I disagree, Undertaker will always be Wrestlemania to me. He’s the only one that comes to mind, with the Rock in second place.
@@tjjordan4207 Exactly Shawn gave that title to himself. Undertaker never needed that kind of title.
Taker 23-2. Shawn's record at WM: 6-11.
@@friedchickenicedtea are you for real? No disrespect to Taker but records and results are scripted. Performances in the ring are not.
The curtain call was not popular, I remember folks were like WTF.. marks today like it
While this may be true, it still has to be said that I just farted.
@@Tourist-Q Now that would deserve an applause, had there been an audience.
I prefer to be called a High Intellectual Pro Wrestling Fan, Thank You Very Much. Curtain Call was BASED as Fuck.
@@MovieEggman And what does that mean?
You're the mark, *bro*.
Cornette talking about Shawn is one my fav pastimes.....
#goat
Also ' Cold Batista in a hoodie '
Agreed
Jim is the honesty we all need in these troubled times
I completely agree. His blunt way is so comforting to me. A steady voice in the madness
As entertaining as it’s been over the years to hear Cornette rip HBK, but it’s actually pretty rewarding to hear him come around and give Michael’s so much respect for his in-ring career.
To be fair, about the back surgery, (from a former hockey player) that one inch incision can be utterly disastrous, Jim.
Not if the injury is faked from the beginning...
His back barely touched that casket... and doctors signing off on false documents, illnesses, and yes... even "fake" surgeries is NOT without precedent. Especially when they stand to make a shit ton of money for "playing along"...
@@thisisnotachannelCorrect it was just an excuse to get Shawn off TV and out of the backstage due to his drug use
People forget HBK wrestled in a match in 2000 and bumped like crazy
Also had one of the greatest returns ever in 2002 and you can't do that with a back injury
@@thisisnotachannelokay dipshit. Is this you Bret?
@@Codewordthecerealkiller0 it's called surgeries and physical therapy. Alex Smith almost had to get his leg amputated and came back to play football. Why is this so hard to believe?
Shawn has certainly lost his smile in the thumbnail pic.
😂😂
Squirelly eye front and center: "Rob you uh were intelligent and articulate and and charming......" 420 forever
And some teeth By the looks of this photo😂😂😂
@@papboybrooklyn77
Yep. That's the joke.
Marty that coward! Jumping thru the window to get away from Shawn.
I disagree Jim. Shawn shed plenty of blood in the ring.
Tbf, I don't think Jim was paying attention to non-OVW wrestling when Shawn came back in the early 00s, and actually got to bleed in a LOT of matches lol
I even heard that he wanted to do more matches like tht
I mean the first hell in a cell he had all types of color
I don’t know why people put crap on Shawn for his back injury. Watch him at WM 14 and tell me he isn’t in absolute freaking pain. He was gonna steal the show if he had to drop the belt.
What i got from it was shawn was quiet and insecure. Marty jannetty was like the bad influence that helped him overcome shyness. Essentially shawn was a wrestling nerd until he met Marty and partied in the business.
Insecure, yes. I doubt Michaels was ever quiet.
@@Ken9284Marty and himself and both said that Shawn was quiet and shy in his younger years. Shawn said one of the reasons he got into alcohol was so that he could be a different person.
To answer the question "can a leopard change it's spots?"
Absolutely, as long as the leopard doesn't like it's reflection. That's always the first step in changing yourself, seeing that something's wrong. I know I'm not the same person I was 2 decades ago, nobody should be the same 20 years later. It's called change, it's called character evolution.
And even though I'm no religious man by any stretch, I'm happy it's what Shawn needed & I'm damn proud of the man he's become.
You may be conflating two things here; everybody changes. No one is the same person they were 20 years ago, I can guarantee it. Time and experience do that to everyone. Now whether that change was drastic or subtle, for better or worse, or for long or for short, those are the real questions.
Now, can someone change their nature? It appears some people can. However, do they really, or do they merely change the ways that nature is expressed instead? Do they simply hide their true nature better, or genuinely temper it so that it has less of an effect in their lives? Those are tough questions.
You can take some paint and change the pattern of the leopard's spots, but that will not change the leopard's nature. It will still be a leopard. That's what that saying is trying to convey.
Personally, I don't think people can really change their nature. But they can definitely suppress it and try to be a better person. I think it's also important which traits come from "nature" vs. which come from "nurture". In the latter case it would surely be easier to truly change your own behavior.
"Just watching Nitro... I'll have her. Tell her... to come to San Antonio..."
Never works for me!
I popped at this 😆
That was actually the only issue that I had with this, that they severely downplayed how Shawn was with women in favor of focusing on drugs. And I'm not even saying they should have listed the women, but if Sunny is good enough to stay in the WWE Hall of Fame, she should rate high enough for a mention in this. Since apparently Googling her won't turn up the wrong kind of thing.
Gross
Itd have been funny if she replied "San Antonio? Is that suppose to impress me? Its not exactly LA, NYC or Miami. Its not even Houston or Dallas!"
Omg the song at the end 🤣
Man that was funny as fuck 🤣
@@acedeuce92 Jim's reaction made it for me.
Who sang it? I mean, this version. Not the original (but still awesome) version.
@@bobofindlay plus Brian laughing in the background 😆
@@Apo_Ni_Baby_Kupal Liorgg version, Stephen P New theme
It was through the help of this A&E Biography that I finally got to put a childhood mystery of mine to bed. When I was about 7 or 8 my mother had taken on a weekend job at our apartment complex's office. Every Saturday she'd show potential renters their model apartments and whatever. I had been hanging out in the office with her when a lady who was wearing all black from head to toe, dark black hair and high heels. Hair and makeup like super 80's, as if she was going out on the town that night. I was minding my own business, playing in the floor, when she mentioned to my mother that she was actually procuring the apartment for 2 professional wrestlers. I immediately perked up and started asking her all kinds of questions. Obviously I asked who they were. Now I didn't remember exactly all these years. I had always thought she told me that the were the Midnight Express and this is where it would get me confused as I always wanted to find out more about it in my later years. I've told the story many times but never knew for sure and I always told everyone I was sure it was "Scary" Sherry Martel that came into the office that day. I mean, you can't mistake Sherry even in real life, back then. That didn't add up though. Best I could find on the internet was that Sherry seamed to have nothing to do with the Midnight Express. But I just knew it was something like the Midnight Express. I thought it had the "Rockers" word in there, maybe. It was killing me, but I gave up. Couldn't find out anymore or I just missed it. Fast forward to today when I see the A&E Biography of Shawn Michaels. Interestingly, while my wife and I are watching the documentary, I mention to her about the old story of the mystery woman who came to rent an apartment in the mid 80's. No sooner do I finish rehashing the story, they get to the part on when Shawn and Marty team up and are called the Midnight Rockers. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! That's it, I screamed, that's the name that I got screwed up all those years ago. Everything started to fall in place like dominoes. I immediately went to Google and as I'm looking them up they are just about to show Sherry as Shawn's manager. WHICH I FREAKIN FORGOT. DOH! I'm reading the Wikipedia info and listening to the TV at the same time and everything is now settled. TV gets to the part where Shawn and Marty are heading to Birmingham, AL. Now I know that this is them. Turns out it was Sherry that day. She was the sweetest woman and very kind to me. Patiently answering all my questions and also destroying the idea that bad guys are actually bad guys. She told me they were all really sweet and the bad guys and good guys hung out with each other. I was appalled. This cannot be. It's like telling a kid there's no Santa Claus. Thank god no one ever tried that with me. It turns out that I was living not but a couple miles away from where Sherry lived and passed away at. I never met her again though. Anyway, I remember the name Marty Jannetty all these years as well but wasn't sure. I met him and Shawn when they moved in. I actually new who they were because ESPN had just started showing AWA matches and I never missed them. Interestingly, the one persons name I should have remembered is Shawn's, because it's almost my whole name. Maybe because it was so like my name, that's why I forgot, but I'm very happy to finally be able to tell this story correctly, with the proper players. Sorry for the essay. I'm Shaun Michael.
Yummy in my tummy🐣
@Moon Cricket He said your mothers loose
I actually found this really interesting. Thanks for sharing
Jims totally wrong here when he said Michaels never bled jesus he was always bleeeding just watch the matches with triple h and the survior series matches in the mid 2000s
He was talking about Michaels never bleeding during Shawn’s first run pre-back injury but even then that’s not entirely true, he bled quite a bit at the first Hell in the Cell.
I'm pretty sure Jim wasn't watching the wwf in the 2000s.
I remember him bleeding like a pig when the Midnight Rockers feuded with Doug Sommers and Buddy Rose w/Sherri Martel , over the AWA tag belts
Its almost like (big fucking shock) Jim didnt watching 2000s WWE...... it doesn't take an idiot to figure that one out too quickly. If you never seen something you're not going to know it happened, and Why would Jim watch WWE in early 2000s when he had reason too because of OVW and TNA being his main concern....? Common sense sure is a lost art these days 🤦♂️ e
The phantom title change was huge. I remember being happy for the Rockers yet I never saw them as tag champs. Lol
Of course a person can change - especially if drugs were involved during the period where the person was behaving terribly, and now said person is clean ...
I agree. Honestly I hate the expression "a leopard can't change it's spots" when referring to people. Also why does Jim hate religion so much and basically browbeat anybody that believes in any religion?
Also, if one becomes a parent which helps them see clearly how much damage they are doing as in Shawn's case.
@@olvacron22 because he's a giant raging liberal
Just a quick thing about the curtain call that gets overlooked. Yeah Shawn just faced Diesel in a grueling match and Diesel was a heel but during their feud at that time Diesel talked about how he loved Shawn and how they were still friends despite them feuding over the belt and Razor was a face who came to Shawn's defense on TV a few times leading up to the show. So them 3 celebrating together really wouldn't have been that big of deal, it wasn't until HHH who had nothing to do with any of them on TV and was a heel came out to celebrate where kayfabe was broken and it made fans question what was up. I think that's why he was punished.
They HAD permission..... It wasn't until the rest of the boys kicked off about it that Vince did a 180 and doled out punishment. It was just a tough break for HHH as he was the only one that could be punished at the time.
HHH shouldn't have been there and it would've been ok....if there was permission for that it wasn't very bright. Just my opinion I think razor diesel and hbk would've been overlooked...HHH made it wrong and a head turner for fans and the boys which was not smart permission or not
HHH had a few matches vs Razor in 96. Razor was even pushing for them to have a real feud because he didn't want to work with Goldust.
A week before Curtain call HBK faced HHH on Raw. Awesome match.
Cornette always seems like he's JUST like his character on TV. Haha
Good for Shawn. Glad to see his doing well. One of the greats.
😈
Almost like.....it isnt a character....its who he is.. fucking mind blowing isnt it? 🤡
They glossed over his overselling match with Hogan.
They play too much!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 The Funniest Match of All Time.. I have that Match saved whenever I feel down.. It never fails to amaze me.. 😂😂😂😂😆😂
Jim's talked about it before though so I guess he didn't have much extra to say
I guess Shawn had a say in what was aired, and didn't want to discuss that foolishness.
@@lastar106 oh I thought you meant Jim glossed over it when recapping the doc, not that Shawn didn't mention it. But yeah he's said he regrets it and that he wanted to make Hogan look silly for backing out of the planned trilogy so I don't know what else really needed to be said
When they showed Marty Janetty, I thought they were showing some butch looking lesbian 😂😂😂
The kayfabe reason Hart Foundation got the belts back is that Tunney reversed the decision because the rope broke.
@Steve A I know the rope broke, but the official explanation of why the rockers' win is not recognized is that Tunney reversed the decision, due to said broken rope.
Wrestlemania 20 was easily the best triple threat match ever. All the while he continued to become a better person and a loving father and husband
One of my favorite ppvs ever. I was in fifth grade at the time lol
I wish they had Jim Cornette on HBK's Biography 🤣🤣🤣
Proof that Jim will praise where it's due, even if he hates the guy.
Right? Says a lot about Kimmy Omega
@@malikevans2615 I've literally heard JC defend Michaels when others have criticised him. Jake etc
@@malikevans2615 Jim praised his chops
@@calikid05I'll give him that too
@@malikevans2615 that says more about Jim, kenny and Shawn are quite similar
“Wait what the hells that?!”🤣🤣🤣
Stephen P New, Stephen P New, Stephen P New
Jim Cornette blaming Shawn for his own personal problems in that he doesn't believe in redemption or 2nd chances for people is peak Cornette smh
And the thing is, that while its human nature,, that's also a limited view of reality ,smh
Any psychology majors on this channel who can Identify Jim's personality order?
@@takerdust chad personality disorder
It's honestly because Shawn personally fucked him over so he hasn't been willing to let it go. That's why he can excuse Flair who's done objectively worse things.
That Stephen P. New cover song caught me off guard. 😂 😂 😂
unbelievable
As someone who has had 3 back surgeries from gymnastics and injuring it on the balance beam, I can rest assure Shawn had back surgery. My scar is about 4 inches long with a 3 level fusion. Jim you just don't like Shawn and think everything is a lie. You need to keep quiet because your negativity about many people in the business is getting old.
The Hell in the Cell matches, Survivor Series 03, Mania XX...Shawn bled a LOT...
Royal Rumble 2004
With HHH and Jericho he also bled
I fucking died picturing Jim's face as the Stephen P New 'cover' played near the end. I was wheezing and crying.
Who is the guy singing?
@@Apo_Ni_Baby_Kupal It was the Liorgg version of Stephen P. New's ad spot
@@RealGilbertGan who is Llorg? Dude is a legend.
@@Apo_Ni_Baby_KupalLior "Liorgg" Friedman, man. Of course he's a legend. Try finding the song "AEW Make Me Paranoid" and that's where the hilarity begins lmao
@@RealGilbertGan do you know the episode where Jim and Brian were laughing at this track?😂
Man, after watching it I realized that in the 90's, nobody had bigger spots than Shawn. The Barber Shop window with Janetty, ladder match with Razor, 60 minute Ironman with Bret, Montreal, Curtain Call, dropping the belt to Austin. The guy came up big in the biggest spots and never faulted. And don't forget the Monday Night Wars when RAW was getting their asses handed to them and DX came along and help reverse that trend. Also 1st Hell in a Cell with Taker, which gets forgotten because Foley's all time great performance the following year vs Taker, but a hell of a match just the same. And Flairs retirement match. Just always in the right place at right time.
I hear the whole time Matt Serra speaking
How come nobody has ever interviewed the marine(s) that beat up Michaels? I’d like to hear their side of it.
chances are he was blacked out drunk. and it was a nobody vs a nobody.😅
I would have loved to see Shawn go against Eddie Guerrero
That was rumored to supposed to be at Wrestlemania 22, but Eddie died just before.
That would have been really good. What about Bret Hart and Kurt Angle instead of The Patriot (who had the same entrance music) during the whole US vs Canada thing they had going on at the time? Could have been one of the best rivalries ever.
DX vs Latino heat would have been magical and would have given us multiple great matchups and promos
@@Cjhenso That would have been one of the best technical matches of all time!! You might as well make it an iron man match while you're at it
@@justindaffin5442 Michael's wasn't a technician he was a high flyer.. Eddie would have called the spots and carried that match for sure
Shawn bled tons during his second run. He didn't bleed during the first run because the WWF had a no blood policy going on.
I would highly recommend watching his Last Man Standing match against Triple H at the 2004 Royal Rumble.
@@raymonderrity1419 bad blood was good too pacing was bad
Did he bleed in the OG hell in a cell with undertaker?
@@darknightbegins85 he bled like fuck in that match. The camera man looking up when they were on the ceiling and blood drops hitting the lens was epic shit.
Summerslam '02, the "unsanctioned" match
A bit of hardware use, yes, but that match told a really good story
We missed out on a real dream match in the 90s; can you imagine how insanely awesome HBK vs Beautiful Bobby would've been?!
no
HBK vs. AJ Styles
Beautiful. Itd have been beautiful.
@@travismcdonald6576 Let me guess, you're a Twinkletoes McFingerbang & Will Osprey worshipper, who expect a thousand different moves a match. That or going a 100 MPH and doing dive after dive.
Either that or you're so old school that you don't even like HBK or Bobby Eaton. Fair enough, I guess.
I've actually heard it was DDP that healed Shawn's back as he started the early version of DDP Yoga, DDP is never given the credit for Shawn's miraculous comeback though.
Because the majority of his back injury was a work
@@chrischar9428 And you know that how?
@@misterundead425 based on the belief that it did look like he took that hard of a bump they would have hit the casket so there
@@misterundead425 Shawn Michaels did have a match at his own wrestling company in 2000 or so... Why didn't he make a comeback then? Probably because he was enjoying the moolah without needing to work 250+ days a year.
@@fuscinula Because they didn't allow him to?
Hey, Jim, The Curtain Call Incident was 25 years ago yesterday!
Yeah, look what wrestling haa become today!!!
Those were the daze I tell you what!
Shawn bled like crazy in 97 against the Undertaker in Hell In A Cell…Jim’s forgetting a lot of wrestling
Exactly, lol. How can you not remember the very first HIAC match & Kane's debut.
Corny is getting old.
that chair shot taker gave back to Shawn was hellish.
What is Jim on about? Shawn used to bleed in most big matches in the early to mid 2000’s and as far back as the Hell in a Cell with Taker.
That was aftr Jim stopped watching wrestling from wwe, plus his obligations to OVW and TNA keeping him from giving a fuck about what the main wwe was doing
I hope one day they come face to face again and they finally make up. Not saying become friends, just bury the hatchet with one another. I’m sure Shawn wants too.
I wish they had of kept the WWF Championship on Owen Hart when he beat Bret for the title in 1994. He held it for 5 minutes but after the referee reviewed the footage on replay, the match was restarted due to outside interference from the lumberjacks, and Bret rolled up Owen for the win. Therefore Owen was never recognised as holding the title in the record books.
In the 1980's it happened on a weekly basis it seemed. Especially with Crockett Promotions and WCW
@@matthewcollins8602 Are those considered "Dusty finishes"?
@@erikstorm8935 by many yes but it was being overdone by Eddie Graham and others before Dusty honestly. Dusty just happened to be doing them to a larger national and global audience. In Florida back in the day anytime a referee was knocked out the crowd immediately started looking towards the dressing room lol
I remember Triple H doing that to Chris Jericho..
Owen Hart Yeah 100% agree and I would have liked to have seen seen a lot of wrestlers win the gold like roddy piper, Mr perfect, Rick rude, jake the snake, the British bulldog davey boy Smith, earthquake, big boss man just a shame they didn't look past hulk hogan and shaun Michaels don't get me wrong they was good champions but I would have liked to have seen so many more champions in the 80s and 90s think they fucked up there
It's weird how much personal hatred Brian Last has for Vince McMahon. He sounds like a scorned ex lover
Has he ever had any personal experience with him it's crazy that he's spazzing like a ex employee or something then again you heard how he eats so haha
Cornette probably told him a bunch of bullshit about Vince and he believed it because he’s a mark
Did yall notice Shawn and his wife accidentally put on each others tank tops??LOL
Lol, my wife said the same thing.
This review has made me want to watch the actual show!
That casket bump was the same type of injury the ended Rick Rude's career.
Also Dynamite Kid's back injuries started the same way, catching his spine on the edge of the ring apron while taking a suplex going from inside the ring to the outside floor in Japan
i’ll never understand how literally most of the biggest stars and legends in wrestling call shawn michaels the best in ring performer, AND some random youtube comments keep bashing his wrestling...
Objectively speaking, i think his peers would kinda know what they are talking about. 🤷♂️
He was great, just a bit below the true legends.
Great Wrestler, just not as great as Bret.
Great on the mic, but he was no Rock or Flair.
Plus he did terrible business
@@shibbyjim are you one of his peers? if not then why are you talking about like you know what your are saying, you are proving the OPs comment true lmao
@@greenkidd529 Well I mean it true... I don't think anyone would argue what I said.
He did do terrible business as the top guy in 96.
He wasn't great on the mic as a Rock or Austin
He was a great in ring performer..but as a wrestler he was behind Bret
@@shibbyjim this is exactly the meaningless opinions im talking about.
Ric flair himself literally said he is the greatest of all time...
But i guess “james ricketts” of youtube knows better 😂
@@shibbyjim Wait if you want to chastise Shawn for business, which I don't think is necessarily fair, then put Brey in, because he never drew Austin/Hogan/Rock money.
Secondly, Shawn was a phenomenal wrestler. He had a different style than Bret and as Jim said it's like comparing apples to oranges. But overall, Shawn was better.
Finally, as the lead comment said. I never worked with Shawn nor did you. Ours are just opinions. But when guys like Taker, Flair, HHH, Austin, Vince, Cornette say that he is the greatest in ring performer, then that carries more weight than whatever we say on UA-cam.
Shawn got color at bad blood 1997 vs taker during Kanes Debut.
And Elimination Chamber 2002
survivor series 2003 I'll never forget fucking Batista power bombing him and costing Stone Cold his job. J.R. : Shawn Michaels did everything a human being could ever do.
WrestleMania 20 triple threat
Actually when Shawn came back in 2002 he was in a lot of matches where he would bleed. But I know you didn't watch those. But he was like Ric Flair when it came to bleeding. I remember people thought he is already bleeding. Vince was another one who bled quickly.
and Hogan
Vince VS Taker Survivor Series 2003, first punch and Vince was gushing
It is somewhat sad. A lot of the divide.. HBK vs Bret is 95% Vince's fault..It seems that he always keeps his top guys at odds. After Montreal ,a lot of HBK's legacy became too intertwined w Bret's. I am glad he had a second run post 2002.
also I think something that doesn’t really get talked about was they were the two top guys when business was down and WCW was kicking their ass so I’m sure that added to the tension
I think in some interview Bret said Vince was like pulling puppet strings when it came to him and Shawn. They are my two favorite wrestlers and let's be honest, them being at odds in 97 made for great TV.
How is it mostly Vince's fault when Bret whole's problem with Shawn is that he didn't do his job seriously, which he didn't? For crying out loud, Vince made comments about how much he wanted to slug Shawn back then. You people have a serious case of Vince Derangement Syndrome.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 a good chunk of the Ironman Match Vince was partial towards HBK..but Vince was not a heel character yet..Vince and Lawler both were dumping on Bret moreso than Shawn..it was a face vs face match!
@Damon Odell You dont believe people can change and redeem themselves? Thats quite sad.
I was at the house show during the curtain call. As a 12 year old I was completely confused lol.
Okay, Jim Cornette must produce, host ALL wrestling biopics from now on.
It will just be him shitting on everyone.
@@jham7411 Nah nigga
@@jham7411 Jim Cornette is a natural heel.. He is supposed to stay in Character..
I really enjoy Cornette’s story. Very well spoken, funny, and really a wrestling historian. Except for the part about Michaels bleeding…
Every kid i went to school with used to do the “suck it” all the time. Dx was so over in new england
I could listen to Jim talk wrestling all day
For the most part Jim your usually correct but then there are times you judge someones past as if they are suppose to be the same person. From hearing other wrestlers from back in the day talk about how drugs were passed around like candy it wouldnt shock me that Shawn doesnt remember to much of his past.
Jim is wrong. If you listen to the audio of the curtain call, the people are going nuts. I dont like that they did it, but that is facts.
I know of the guys that beat him up in Syracuse. They were Army, 10th Mountain guys out of Ft.Drum.
Its ironic considering that HBK's dad was a colonel and HBK was raised in a military family. He even went to HS on an Air Force base. I dont know if itd have made any difference, but Im surprised HBK didn't mention this fact. It seems he didn't, anyway. It wouldn't have hurt to at least say it lol. Though this was the 90s and he had no proof lol. No phone pics, no social media. They might have just thought he was a liar trying to save his ass.
@@erikstorm8935 Ready to see how small of a place the world is? When I was at Benning for Basic/AIT in 05 our Battalion Commander for 2/54 INF? LTC Hickenbottom. His Brother.
Kinda love that the older Shawn gets the more hillbilly he becomes.
He is from Texas... But for real he acted more like he was from Up North when he was a younger Adult.. As he got older he started to swing into his Southern Roots..
The Stephen P New theme cover towards the end 🤣
Man, that cover of Stephen P. New threw me for a loop.
I thought the recording got corrupted or something.
Leore was great. 😆
I love Jim and he's spot on most of the time. But he has a problem with judging a person today based on who they were 25 years ago when He first knew them.
I guess in Jim's eyes only politicians can change from the 1990s to today. And that you shouldn't judge them for what they did and said in the past. Cough cough Joe Biden.
Yet, before the A&E biography, he wanted to judge HBK for his past.
I completely agree
@@erikstorm8935 Yeah, I'll listen to Jim when it comes to wrestling and not when it comes to ethics or politics. That's ok though.
He did say "If I gave people a second chance" so it seems like he just sticks with his first impression and won't change it
@@NobleBruv I respect that big time. Sounds like you respect that he can have opinions. That’s a lost art nowadays.
I know I’m late to the party and I’m sure this has been mentioned already. I do remember the Hart Foundation/Rockers match vividly. It was on Saturday night’s Main Event and the two title matches were the heavyweight championship and Intercontinental Championship matches. I distinctly remember the show going off air with the rockers/hart foundation match in progress (and I was scratching my head and thought they ran out of time).
I love that Jim hates HBK as a person(well who he was) and holds a grudge about the curtain call, yet he'll always praise Shawn for being a great worker. That's how you know HBK is one of the greats (the greatest imo)
In-ring performer, yes.
GOAT.
In ring yes he's most definitely the greatest, he had all the factors of old and modern wrestling combined that too in 90s
use to feel bad for marty but hearing him say hes the one got shawn hooked on drugs I lost sympathy for him, shawn finally got off drugs and marty still druggin and boozing and even did it live boozing a month or 2 ago live online. michaels admitted the lost smile excuse it what happens when your on drugs so at least he admitted he lied. Think if jim and shawn actually sat and talked it out face to face their be forgiveness, but dont think jim would. Drugs do make people turn from jekyll and hyde
“Like Shoeshine Boy”. Lol. Love the Underdog reference.
It's hilarious now that even the Undertaker is parroting the 'Bret was going to leave with the title' shtick, even though he and Bret are very good friends.
Quite the heel turn
Great comment, it's total BS of course- Bret offered multiple scenarios in which he was willing to drop the belt. Plus his last week with the WWF was the second week of December, not the night of the Survivor Series, which is another BS canard that WWE and it's loyalists have tried to establish.
@@MattSingh1 Because yuou can 100% prove that Bret was being completely honest. You are missing hte point entirely. Eric Bishoff would have crowed on Nitro that he signed the WWF Champion. In other, worlds the end result is the exact same thing. WCW has the WWF Champion. In essence, they are telling the truth. People are being pedantic with this.
Believe it or not, people can be friends and call each other out on their immaturity.
It still blows my mind Jim can see the casket bump and not believe that landing on the corner of the casket like that could have casused a real injury.
He basically landed and scraped his spine on the very edge of a stiff joint of wood. No, it wasnt catastrophic looking but, still could have easily done major damage.
That's because he didn't land on the edge. It's obvious if you watch it.
And his back injury suddenly got better when Vince was going to cut him off and stop paying him.
@@Rjensen2 I don't think you've watched it. It's clear as day his back hit the edge of the coffin.
@@TheRustedShackleford Not if you actually watch it.
@@Rjensen2 literally just rewatched it again. I think you're blind and deaf if you don't see and hear his back hitting but, we can agree to disagree.
@@TheRustedShackleford Deaf? Are you claiming to hear it too? His back barely even touches it, if at all.
The only thing I dislike about Jim is how much he hates on religion, no wonder he’s out of work, you can’t even respect another person’s beliefs, you must be impossible to coexist with
I remember seeing a couple of late night tv shows from Shawn's wrestling org with Lothario and guys they trained. It was super low budget, but their work wasn't mudshow. Shawn would intro the show from the ring. Nice to get local wrestling on tv with guys who are trained correctly.
Shawn definitely bled a lot when he had his second run
Yeah those matches with HHH were brutal
Yep you know hhh only shine in gimmick matches
@@theunknown7441 like moxley
@@theunknown7441 that's just false 🤦♂️
Bled buckets in that Hell in a Cell match where they introduced Kane, right?
Finally posted! Been waiting for this review since Monday!
As a kid, long before I knew what a nightmare-ish train wreck HBK was, I was such a huge fan.
I drinke FOLGERS and listen to Cornette in the morning
You drink Folgers? Does your boyfriend have a cup too?
Same hahaha every morning ☕️
Might as well drink out of the bayou
Well, not only the Rockers. A few years earlier (August 1987) also the Rougeaus defeated The Hart Foundation and were announced as the new tag team champions. Later the decision was reversed and their title win was never recognized by the WWF(E).
Always knew Corny was the marine in the bar. Thank you for the confirmation Mr. Animator!
As someone that lived in Bluefield, Virginia for a couple years, it's cool to hear Jim mention the bad side of town(Bluefield, West Virginia).
How dare you slander Bluefield, Virginia!??
AKA the other side of the tracks?
I'll always despise Shawn. His choice to assist in the screw job ruined Bret's life, everything stemmed from it. Yet Shawn got himself a second chance and a second career for another almost twenty years whilst Bret lost his brother, got concussed, had a stroke and everything else thanks to Shawns collusion.
I totally hear ya, but I'm reminded of a quote from a concentration camp survivor: "To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover the prisoner was you."
HBK was one of the best bleeders in WWE history.. Tf is Jim talking about..
The only man that could bleed better was Mick Foley.
@@brandonallen3289 nah... Flair then probably Mick imo..
Wrong. Because when he really started bleeding was like in 2003. And wrestling sucked by then.
@@charliebobandas6794 what does when he really started bleeding have to do with him being one of the best at it????