Tom and Norm install a patio railing 1988

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  • Tom Silva and Norm Abram build and install a patio railing at the Lexington project. From "This Old House" Season 10 Episode 18 "The Lexington Bed and Breakfast Part 18". Originally aired Thu Dec 29, 1988.
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  • @JakeRaytheRounder
    @JakeRaytheRounder 3 роки тому +39

    Think they could have known that a 7 year old at the time would be an avid and inspired fan 32 years later? As a carpenter I am still learning from these guys

  • @gsxerwhite
    @gsxerwhite Рік тому +16

    I always talk to myself like I’m hosting this show when I do home improvement projects.

  • @jameskillgo6644
    @jameskillgo6644 3 роки тому +13

    Tom from the 80’s always seems like he’s nursing a good hangover

    • @SenileOtaku
      @SenileOtaku 2 роки тому +9

      If you had to work with Bob Vila you'd drink too...

  • @31mbur
    @31mbur 3 роки тому +34

    This is a historic moment (when Norm discovered the biscuit joiner) that should be the title

    • @garyv2196
      @garyv2196 3 роки тому

      and as years have passed biscuits are not as strong as first thought.

    • @stevejensen3471
      @stevejensen3471 2 роки тому +1

      @@garyv2196 they never were considered structural but were mainly used for aligning longer panel joints.

  • @stevejensen3471
    @stevejensen3471 3 роки тому +7

    Wow 1988 and boy these guys were sure younger back then! Great seeing them both in their prime back when TOH was still relatively new. I just used hydraulic cement the other day to seal up a 4-foot long basement stem wall crack after veeing it out with my cold chisel and hammer. I always think of these guys whenever I do things like that in my flannel shirt no less - almost 34 years later! Like our current contractor, all of these men really are the salt of the Earth! Cheers Tom and Norm - you guys were and are the greatest!

  • @Skammerd
    @Skammerd 3 роки тому +54

    I remember when Norm got a biscuit cutter on NYW. He used it for everything!

    • @jasonhill2180
      @jasonhill2180 3 роки тому +4

      And that Lamello glue dispenser, I always wanted one of those!

    • @robs1852
      @robs1852 3 роки тому +3

      He loved that thing!

    • @batarang87
      @batarang87 3 роки тому

      Norm used quite a few Plate Joiners throughout the series from different brands, I think he liked the Lamello the most, even with the presence of Porter-Cable as a major sponsor. Kinda like how his favorite Jigsaw is made by Bosch.

  • @williambutler8624
    @williambutler8624 Рік тому +2

    Two of the best carpenter's, Norm and Tom, their work and carpenter skills have inspired alot of folks for many years, always great to see them working together, a very good team, hope you guys are doing well and good luck with all your future projects.

  • @shaunhall960
    @shaunhall960 Рік тому +3

    I started watching TOH when I was in grade school and later in high school when my parents bought their first house we remodeled it. I helped put in the drywall and skylights, re-roofed the house, put in a 250 foot retaining wall 5 feet high and built a ceder fence on top of it. This show has a special place in my heart for they taught me so much as well as feeling comfortable with building anything I want.

  • @HipsterDoofus100
    @HipsterDoofus100 3 роки тому +82

    Imagine having your house built by Norm Abrams and Tom Silva??

    • @brucewayne4585
      @brucewayne4585 3 роки тому +25

      If I ever needed to see if my square was correctly angled I could just check it on the house.

    • @toledo2vegas31
      @toledo2vegas31 Рік тому

      Nice house. But the sense of humor of a doorknob. Gimme a level Nwahm

    • @chuckfuller5083
      @chuckfuller5083 Рік тому +1

      @@brucewayne4585 lol. damn right.

    • @garcjr
      @garcjr Місяць тому

      I'd never sell it, and make sure the family never does either.

  • @chrisgrandpre6063
    @chrisgrandpre6063 3 роки тому +17

    Longtime fan of TOH. Love to see the old videos, keep them coming!

    • @WW3_Soon
      @WW3_Soon 6 місяців тому +1

      Tom’s long hair said he was a wild hippie in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Too bad, he settled down as a general contractor!

  • @jasperchieng
    @jasperchieng 3 роки тому +2

    They look so young. I used to watch TOH and NYW with my dad when I was a kid. Love that there are so many on YT now.

  • @afhyoutube
    @afhyoutube 3 роки тому +16

    Love these classic clips. Thanks TOH.

  • @wtaylor810
    @wtaylor810 3 роки тому +6

    Tom has always been a chill dude. Love these old vids!

  • @CarpeDiem2
    @CarpeDiem2 3 роки тому +9

    Imagine having Tom and Norm building something on your property, together.

  • @attachmount613
    @attachmount613 3 роки тому +6

    I have learned so much from watching these guys and this show over the years. So glad to have such highly skilled Craftsmen role models.

  • @ronwallace7563
    @ronwallace7563 3 роки тому +5

    OMG...who are these two whipper snappers? I didn't know Tommy was ever that thin?!?! Seriously though....these fellas are amazing. I bet that they have forgotten more about construction than I will ever know.

  • @jasonbradley7710
    @jasonbradley7710 3 роки тому +7

    Tom has that late 70's John Prine energy going.

  • @TheKnifed
    @TheKnifed Рік тому

    I watched religiously as soon as I was old enough (born '86), and while I shifted from auto mechanic to commercial kitchen service tech, I would have to credit TOH and the New Yankee Workshop as my inspiration for the trades.

  • @chuckfuller5083
    @chuckfuller5083 Рік тому +1

    The OG Norm Abrams! And Tom?? Best This Old House ever!!!

  • @mikemarlowe6102
    @mikemarlowe6102 3 роки тому +4

    I love how Tom uses a 24oz wood handle framing hammer for everything lol

  • @WW3_Soon
    @WW3_Soon 6 місяців тому +1

    It seemed that every carpentry technique is “that’s all to it” for Tom and Norm.

  • @simonsonjh
    @simonsonjh 3 роки тому +8

    I have never seen Norm use biscuits without glue.

    • @stevejensen3471
      @stevejensen3471 3 місяці тому

      Rodg - I've always used glue with them!

  • @rishivardhan5720
    @rishivardhan5720 3 роки тому +3

    Wow Tommy you can see that person we see now in ask this old house the amount of experience and the dedication and we don't even work on homework

  • @svenjohnson2389
    @svenjohnson2389 3 роки тому +2

    The thumb nail reminds me of the old skit: when I nod my head, you hit it! 😄

  • @GrahamDIY
    @GrahamDIY 3 роки тому +1

    When I watch these guys I realise just how slow I am at doing stuff.
    Tom is all about efficiency and having the right tool for the job 👍

    • @user181
      @user181 3 роки тому

      True, but also keep in mind that the magic of television can make a 2-week project seem like a simple weekend project.

    • @mattbartolovich8228
      @mattbartolovich8228 3 роки тому +1

      And Tom has his own lingo

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      Your name is Graham The Builder but you use the wrong tool for the job?
      Why would you use the wrong tool for the job?

    • @GrahamDIY
      @GrahamDIY 3 роки тому

      @@AZ-kr6ff yawn 🥱 #blockedforbeingunfunnyandtedious

  • @aaqilian5.085
    @aaqilian5.085 Рік тому +3

    2 legends! Long life Norm and Tommy!

  • @dereklull8212
    @dereklull8212 3 роки тому +1

    Living legends

  • @A_Gzilla
    @A_Gzilla 3 роки тому +7

    Tom cracks me up! He is always on the go and seems to be ahead of the conversation lol Not much has changed.

  • @Jim_me
    @Jim_me 3 роки тому +1

    Watched a clip with Norm from 79 hard to believe it's been over 40 years.

  • @tccoggs
    @tccoggs Рік тому +1

    I was a huge Norm and Tommy fan as a kid when this was on, but there are certainly some issues with this install. You have to be realistic on budget as well when you criticize though as this was an big project I'm sure for the homeowner and I'm sure there were plenty of areas when they just couldn't go top shelf. Sure the PT on the stone will rot eventually, but old PT was pretty good at lasting. Its more about the staples and finish nails holding the stuff together that wouldn't probably hold up for long as PT twists like mad as it dries out. The use of the plate jointer was more of a plug for porter cable than a practical use here. Just splice the rail over the post, I'm sure the joint opened up and the Beachwood biscuits will rot/degrade outside. TV hides a lot of quality issues, in this case those biscuit slots came through the side of the material. Even Norm and Tommy make plenty of mistakes, so don't feel bad when it happens to you.

  • @carpark3438
    @carpark3438 3 роки тому +2

    Railing held with staples. Boy those were the days...

  • @jameswhite1319
    @jameswhite1319 2 роки тому

    Love your shows thanks for sharing

  • @darksim73
    @darksim73 3 роки тому +1

    Good ‘ol Tom. Been sar’n away since I was a pup.

  • @mergrew0110
    @mergrew0110 3 роки тому +2

    They look so young and fresh! But when you see their hands, they’ve worked a few hours.

  • @lendavidhart9710
    @lendavidhart9710 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks TOH, you guys just gave me an idea for a newell post, thank you.

  • @chicagowsox212
    @chicagowsox212 3 роки тому +4

    Tom and Norm’s quality has gotten better since this. I don’t like the threaded rod idea or the top rail seam being in the middle of the run at all. Someone leans on that seam and it will crack

    • @jamiepippin3892
      @jamiepippin3892 3 роки тому

      I wouldn't have used a threaded rod but after watching this I bet it works great.

  • @stoneyj1a1
    @stoneyj1a1 3 роки тому +1

    Great idea with the post and cement/rod. Looks like he's abusing that hammer pretty good. Looks like a brand new Vaughn framing hammer.

    • @stevejensen3471
      @stevejensen3471 3 місяці тому

      Only problem gonna be when those pt posts rot out - and they will - and need to be replaced!

  • @MrRtc555
    @MrRtc555 3 роки тому +32

    I’d like to know how they would do this same job 30 years later

    • @denniswholey7386
      @denniswholey7386 3 роки тому

      They wouldn't be using a like that....at least not without type3 titebond

    • @lordaleksandre
      @lordaleksandre 3 роки тому

      @Christopher Smith Indeed. The material is the only thing worth keeping if they did this today.

    • @verygoodboy2688
      @verygoodboy2688 3 роки тому

      @@denniswholey7386 I'd think you'd probably go with floating tenons and yeah exterior wood glue. I think dowels would've actually been the better solution here

    • @aaronfrankum8941
      @aaronfrankum8941 3 роки тому

      @@verygoodboy2688 They would probably secure the posts with epoxy.

    • @michaelford4894
      @michaelford4894 3 роки тому +5

      $10,000 worth of tools of course! Festool Domino the join the rails with floating tenons. Lamello Zeta to attach the rails with tenso fasteners. Festool planer and sanders for the finish. W&H moulder to make the rail.....

  • @robertpanetta7912
    @robertpanetta7912 2 роки тому

    Like another commentator said imagine these guys building stuff on your house . There will be no complaints. Probably add to the value of your house

  • @mcarroll598
    @mcarroll598 3 роки тому +1

    It would be awesome to apprentice under these two guys!

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      Or you could get a real job.

    • @mcarroll598
      @mcarroll598 3 роки тому +1

      @@AZ-kr6ff I went thru a 5 year electrical apprenticeship. Been in the trade for 23 years. So not sure what your comment meant, pal!

  • @stevenfoust3782
    @stevenfoust3782 3 роки тому +1

    I’m sure those staples and finish nails made solid connections that will last the life of that wood- umm...no way!

    • @fframer1
      @fframer1 3 роки тому

      actually that's a framing stapler.It uses an 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 wide 15 guage staple,you will be hard-pressed to pull apart anything nailed together with them.

    • @stevenfoust3782
      @stevenfoust3782 3 роки тому

      @@fframer1 yeah ok .

  • @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names
    @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names 3 роки тому +1

    Damn. Did not know Tom was around that long.

  • @johnm5714
    @johnm5714 3 роки тому +5

    Would be interesting to know how long that railing lasted...that lumber could potentially still be rock solid right now.The old poison recipe they treated that stuff with was bullet proof compared to the material they make these days.

    • @irish89055
      @irish89055 3 роки тому +1

      I agree about the old pressure treated copper arsenic I'm not sure I agree with the way it was mounted for long-term durability.. I love the post though

    • @johnm5714
      @johnm5714 3 роки тому

      @@irish89055 👍🏻

  • @89horizon
    @89horizon 2 роки тому +1

    Ah the infamous biscuits

  • @Cotronixco
    @Cotronixco 3 роки тому +1

    After the hydraulic cement sets, give each post a 1/4 to 1/2 turn clockwise to maximize stability.

    • @yaosio
      @yaosio 3 роки тому

      They have a mason now who knows how to handle hydraulic cement. On the official channel there's one video where Tom puts in a railing with it, and another where the mason puts in a railing with it, and they do it is very different ways with the mason doing it the better way.

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      Wrong

  • @speedracer2336
    @speedracer2336 3 роки тому

    Real masters here!

  • @celestialdream49
    @celestialdream49 2 роки тому

    OH MY GOSH... Look at Tommy (he's a kid again) LOL

  • @Slapjabber
    @Slapjabber Рік тому +1

    I see some things missing in these old episodes………………. oh, that’s right, CAD blueprints/renderings and level laser beams.

  • @disklamer
    @disklamer 3 роки тому +1

    By now the wood has completely rotted because there is no separation at the seam between stone and wood, and the holes aren't completely filled so they have standig water in them at all times. But hey, they made a few bucks so it's all good.

    • @Thomas-wn7cl
      @Thomas-wn7cl 3 роки тому

      Wait till that standing water freezes and breaks the expensive granite.

  • @danielwilliam9018
    @danielwilliam9018 3 роки тому

    For a moment I thought Tom was gonna break out the Domino 20 years too soon.

  • @mrpiccolo23
    @mrpiccolo23 3 роки тому +1

    What has probably failed first on this rail? I'd say where the posts meet the concrete.

  • @michaeltiberii8656
    @michaeltiberii8656 11 місяців тому

    So much for temp covering the deck stone up for excess cement stains

  • @tenthdimension9836
    @tenthdimension9836 3 роки тому +4

    What's a sawr?

  • @johnnyluck8102
    @johnnyluck8102 3 роки тому +2

    I still always ask myself What Would Norm Do

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      He would go to synagogue.

  • @roderickfemm8799
    @roderickfemm8799 3 роки тому +5

    Some of this work actually seems a little slapdash compared to the way Tom works today. Also I was wondering about using pressure-treated lumber for a railing, in those days didn't it contain arsenic? Was there no risk to using that where people would be touching it a lot?

    • @steved8563
      @steved8563 3 роки тому +2

      Not only that but through time the pressure treated lumber will dry and therefore shrink so that threaded rod will become loose within the post.
      On note of that threaded rod, it is not galvanized or stainless so it will deteriorate through time both within the lumber as well as where it is embedded in the cement.
      Two legends just the same !

    • @fframer1
      @fframer1 3 роки тому +3

      Nothing wrong with the construction.It's a treated railing,not a piano .

    • @fframer1
      @fframer1 3 роки тому +2

      @@steved8563 They could have used KDX which is a kiln-dried treated wood.They also could have used a 4x4 that had already dried out,it looked pretty dry in the video.You can bet both Norm and Tom knew about the shrinkage associated with green wood and how it could affect the tightness of the rod and post.Also,how do you know the rod wasn't stainless?

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      @@fframer1
      Boy are you dumb.

  • @evelynnveleni
    @evelynnveleni 3 роки тому +2

    What does one need to study to become what Tom is? Carpentry? Looking to change my career to what he does.

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      You will *never* be Tom!!

    • @degenwow
      @degenwow 3 роки тому

      carpenty, engineering, a lot of things.

  • @nestor8369
    @nestor8369 3 роки тому +3

    i enjoy seeing the older episodes where can i find some of these old episodes i search it up i get a few of the old episodes but i already seen them

    • @TOHClips
      @TOHClips  3 роки тому +1

      ThisOldHouse.com has a membership plan called "insider" where you can stream every episode ever made.

    • @nestor8369
      @nestor8369 3 роки тому

      @@TOHClips hey just saw ur comment alright ill be checking it out hopefully you upload something or post something in community tab!!

  • @jakestoe
    @jakestoe 3 роки тому +1

    Good ol days when you didn't have to worry about any PPE..

  • @tk423b
    @tk423b 3 роки тому

    That was a good year Naaahhm.

  • @alonzojohnson7955
    @alonzojohnson7955 3 роки тому +4

    😎

  • @johnnelson9309
    @johnnelson9309 3 роки тому +1

    Looks can be deceiving, took extra steps to secure the 4x4 posts and then used staple gun for the rest. The purpose of the railing is for saftey, thiers is for looks only.

  • @chrisparker4940
    @chrisparker4940 3 роки тому

    Prehistoric 1988 power tools

  • @issacwhaley5720
    @issacwhaley5720 Рік тому

    I need to find out where I can watch old episodes

  • @iddddaduncan
    @iddddaduncan Рік тому

    Ha, wood on concrete outside, that's funny.

  • @profuse007
    @profuse007 3 роки тому

    Tom Silva: Festool to be Festool today in USA

  • @bg147
    @bg147 3 роки тому +1

    The concrete looked hollow.

  • @Thomas-wn7cl
    @Thomas-wn7cl 3 роки тому

    Oooof... pneumatic finish nails and staples to hold a railing system together. I hope they were 16 ga not 18 ga lol. With contemporary PT wood they would rot out in a year or two, but even then... They were obviously not working on their own home.

  • @wurly164
    @wurly164 3 роки тому

    I still use my biscuit jointer

  • @okiedoke6373
    @okiedoke6373 Рік тому

    32 inches is too short for a guard rail handrail it's about right guardrail you'll flip over

  • @JimKinkade
    @JimKinkade Рік тому

    Norm’s wearing a Casio. Anyone know what watch Tom is wearing?

  • @joemedley195
    @joemedley195 3 роки тому

    Biscuit joiners were pretty new at the time, I think. Anyone know for sure?

    • @tccoggs
      @tccoggs Рік тому

      Lamello's had been around for a while but this PC unit was one of the first available in the US. It wasn't very good, the belt drive lacked power and the fence wasn't very accurate

  • @prun8893
    @prun8893 2 роки тому

    Staples.

  • @richardmoss5934
    @richardmoss5934 3 роки тому +1

    36 inches high seems to be a bit on the low side.

    • @armyvet8279
      @armyvet8279 3 роки тому

      There's only a 3 or 4 foot drop from the patio to the ground. If it were more the rail would be taller.

    • @chrisfi3d
      @chrisfi3d 3 роки тому

      Seems to be more of a need to meet code, rather than hinder the view with a tall one.

    • @luckybestwash
      @luckybestwash 3 роки тому +1

      "That's the code" -- Larry Haun

    • @btsmanman
      @btsmanman 3 роки тому +2

      Under 6 foot drop can use 36" high railing. Switches to 42" over 6 feet.

  • @bg147
    @bg147 3 роки тому +1

    Norm looks the same.

  • @AZ-kr6ff
    @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

    Why is he using his hammer sideways?

  • @darylfitz4189
    @darylfitz4189 3 роки тому

    These guys even lift bro

  • @irish89055
    @irish89055 3 роки тому

    Cheeky....

  • @AJ-ox8ev
    @AJ-ox8ev 2 роки тому

    Sawer...

  • @nickv4073
    @nickv4073 3 роки тому +1

    Wood on concrete? I thought that was a no no.

    • @garrettducat5769
      @garrettducat5769 3 роки тому +1

      It's pressure treated. It is designed for contact with the ground or concrete

    • @Scottybravo1
      @Scottybravo1 3 роки тому +1

      Pressure treated lumber on concrete is perfectly fine

    • @denniswholey7386
      @denniswholey7386 3 роки тому +1

      @Christopher Smith dont think that was widely used in 88'.

    • @fframer1
      @fframer1 3 роки тому

      @Christopher Smith Wood was treated better back then,it didn't rot like it does today.That's probably why they didn't worry about it

  • @chicagowsox212
    @chicagowsox212 3 роки тому

    Don’t bang your rod on the granite Tommy

  • @kale.online
    @kale.online 3 роки тому

    Sawer

  • @johnjp5883
    @johnjp5883 3 роки тому

    Shouldn't that post have been elevated a bit so that wood is not in contact with the stone causing it to rot. I do love Tommy's 'Silva Brothers' truck!
    ua-cam.com/video/CF2wLqeQNeI/v-deo.html

  • @seanmalone4577
    @seanmalone4577 3 роки тому

    Both tool belts are on the wrong way. Ugh

  • @thefix2573
    @thefix2573 3 роки тому

    Not building that in snow country.

  • @johno7858
    @johno7858 3 роки тому

    Sawr

  • @researchandbuild1751
    @researchandbuild1751 3 роки тому

    Youll never get those posts out again..sucks. why not L brace it to the concrete so its at least removeable in the future?

    • @AZ-kr6ff
      @AZ-kr6ff 3 роки тому

      I could get them out in 5 seconds.

  • @alohathaxted
    @alohathaxted 3 роки тому

    The dialogue reminds me of the SNL Ambiguously Gay Duo.

  • @Wall2000x
    @Wall2000x 3 роки тому

    Not good

  • @SD-yb5fx
    @SD-yb5fx 3 роки тому +1

    Why not make sure that you are truly saved by Jesus Christ and practice this way. Remorsefully confess with your heart your sins to Jesus Christ who is God and tell Him that you right now are repenting of your sins and you want to be born again of the Spirit from above. Tell Jesus that you are remorsefully sorry for breaking His commandments and that you are begging for forgiveness from Him. Allow His blood from the cross to wash away your sins. After this is done with your heart successfully the Holy Spirit will come to live within you and He will rebuild you from the inside out.
    Look for signs that you are saved. Things like spreading the good news from Jesus, getting other people saved, a craving for the word of God, reading the Bible, etc… These things are known as a calling and fruit bearing. If you're not bearing fruit then keep doing it. Sometimes it takes time to get saved. Read Matthew chapter 13 from the King James Bible. God bless!!!

    • @ketmateo
      @ketmateo 3 роки тому +7

      I can understand your confusion, however that isn't Jesus, it's Norm Abram

    • @yaosio
      @yaosio 3 роки тому

      Wrong religion, you're going to hell.

  • @sherrylkeith9695
    @sherrylkeith9695 3 роки тому

    Woodprix has a lot of plans to choose from.

  • @christjulipds13
    @christjulipds13 3 роки тому

    Woodprix plans are amazing!