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Most of Hoover's novels would be better as thrillers, not romances, especially "November 9." The male love interest ruins the female lead's career and body, and violates a restraining order, yet SHE'S expected to forgive HIM, and actually takes him back?!
@@sanderengelen9140. Funny you say that; that’s CoHo’s favourite genre. She didn’t start reading romance novels until after publishing a few of her own
It’s pretty concerning that Ryle is meant to be in some ways reminiscent of her father but he’s pretty much identical to almost every single love interest she’s ever written. Like Colleen Hoover sells more than the Bible and pretty much all of her books are essentially romanticising her father.
the fact she portrays all her female characters with such passive characteristics like none of these women have a life outside of their significant other in her books its really sad especially cause she literally is a woman
She makes women look… manipulatable. Me personally who’s been through a relationship like this, it really does feel like a trap( at the age of 14, way older now) But if you’re fucking 23 you can have your own thoughts- and it ticks me off colleen doesn’t include any of her thoughts yk. It just feels like a dreams, just doesn’t make any sense
So many women now write these romanticized relationships. It makes no sense to me considering what women go through. Twilight is no where near the first, but I hate how so many authors (mainly women) try to copy it. 365 days, el james, etc. Not the sexy ideal to look up to people.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 exactly, it’s almost as if it’s some wacky ass kink. Some weird obsession with the fact these grown adults grew up without decision making skills😭. Her books feel like she wrote it once and called it good, no matter how many times the answers are right in front of the character she drags it on. It seems as if she wants her book to look bigger/have more pages.
The women in her books feel like they don’t have any agency in their lives, stuff just happens to them. It feels like if the women were replaced with a pretty sculpture, very little would change.
Are all Colleen's books just her trying to make excuses for how her father could treat her mother so terribly and still be a "good" dad? Have we finally cracked her weird, repetitive storytelling where no one grows or learns? Maybe now that it's made her millions of dollars she can finally get therapy.
I think Lily's name problem is something Colleen faces all the time. People probably walk up to her all the time and ask if this is what she really wants to do or if she's just using the last name "hoover" to cash in on how much she sucks.
November 9 makes me so pissed LOL. Like, because he misunderstood something and witnessed his mom's death, it's TOTALLY OKAY he ruined some girl's life forever. OKAY. SURE. SCREW URSELF COLLEEN.
As a victim of domestic abuse, it's actually kind of sad how realistic some of Lily's rationale is in the story. Despite not being a nuanced character at all, the way she navigated being abused by someone who finally convinced her to open up to him--trust him--after so much resistence on her end reminds me a lot of myself when I was in an abusive relationship. The manipulation is seriously unreal and your abuser becomes your entire world; every decision you make or thought you have always ties back to them. I felt like my state of mind was never really clear and constantly dominated by fear mixed with devotion I mistakened for love. I wish this book took more of an unambiguous anti-abuse standpoint instead of towing that line between romanticizing abuse and using it as a poorly rendered plot device. If Hoover had been smarter or had a clearer sense of direction in which she was taking this book, it may have appealed to me as a victim myself.
Can we just acknowledge that Collen has most likely had terrible experiences with men, and instead of realizing she was mistreated, she just kinda ran with it? The way she downplays assault and abuse and the violation of consent makes me worry about what shes downplayed in real life.
i just finished an exam where i wrote what was, admittedly, the worst imaginative text i have ever written. this video helped me realise that, no matter how horrible my story was, it is nothing compared to the atrocities of colleen hoover
Dude lots of fic writers on ao3 write infinitely better than colleen hoover. Which isn’t saying much bc those fic writers are talented, but colleen hoover as the bar is literally down the mariana’s trench 😭
@loosemarbles Fr fic writers are crazy. Some of the best fiction I've ever read in terms of creativity, wording, etc, was fanfic for stuff like the gay-coded Ace Attorney lawyers who have official jewelry merch that's basically just wedding rings
A reminder to all the folks that don't know, asexual and aromantic aren't the same thing 😅 asexuals can want to date, but just have levels of intimacy not in it
I want the it ends with us movie to have Atlas as the main character where he’s actually just a normal dud and everyone else is acting so odd and at the end he realizes he’s in a Colleen Hoover book
Personally, I think that if you write a story about abuse, 1. Don't make it look and sound like it's just like every other romance book 2. Don't write the abuser to be JUST LIKE every other fucking love interest you've written, bc godDAMN I honestly thought it WASN'T about abuse for WAY too long 3. DON'T MAKE THE COVER ALL CUTESY AND FLOWERY, it just feels so tone deaf??? Bc it makes it look like Colleen just wrote a new romance book, in my opinion. Yadda yadda don't judge a book by its cover or whatever, but within the context of everything else Colleen writes, the cover art makes it very misleading ALSO, I remember in November 9, there used to be an ACTUAL R*PE SCENE, and it was STILL marketed as a ROMANCE. So obviously the readers won't fucking notice that Ryle is meant to be abusive if he isn't even close to out of place in the CoHo love interest lineup. At least not at first.
I agree with most of this except for the fact that the reason ryle was supposed to be like every other romantic character is becuase that was kind of the point of the whole book because in abusive relationships it doesn’t just start off with a horrible person in the beginning which is why lily stayed with Ryle the first time she was abused because he was just like any other lover in the beginning
@@Eggzilla-tbh I do get that. However, that only works if the author’s other love interests… aren’t abusive. Ryle still fits right in with people like Leads (Jesus Christ these names) and Jeremy (from Verity). From the very start, Ryle was a freak, and yet we’re supposed to believe that those were the GOOD times. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth…
@@Eggzilla-tbhlike the other said. but i gotta add that idk where you'd put her books in? like it sounds like she's aware abuse sucks but she doesn't condemn it either??? She writes books about abuse. The men are the peak definition of abusive They internally think women suck and that they didnt do wrong The women kinda defend themselves But then the women apologize??? (Its worse for the one set on fire, like it wasnt her fault, she had everyright to never talk to him again and send him to JAIL and he CHEATED ON HER???? AND HES FINE WITH IT?) And both their friends are like "omg you should go back to him cause he cried"??? hes an abusive a*hole/ set her on fire. what. and then they end up together???? and then they allow children visits to their abusive father that beats anyong that makes them mad??? is she against or for abuse? does she add the women "realization" moments because of a potential backflash??
CoHo’s sex scenes are like other people’s gore to me. I’ve got a great stomach for blood and guts but…”he thrusts inside me, invading me” or whAtever tf she says is foul. I’d go so far as to say it’s worse than whatever you’d find on wpd
the wording has to be deliberate. even when she writes consensual scenes, she still portrays sex as a violent act. it gives 'he assaults her but she likes it' vibes.
maybe when people are like "why didn't she just leave?" they weren't talking about lily and were actually talking about colleen leaving her career as a writer.
hey dont downplay ao3😭😭 ive read some fics on there that are better than a lot of the physical copies of books ive read there are some fantastic authors on that site
Colleen can NOT come up with names. Why does every woman in her books who has a baby just smash other names together like some creepy homage. Also all her characters like will make jokes about their names or have issue with them but like SHE gave them those shitty names
@@littleguy8714 I think it was for the first names. So like... Ryle Rd or something like that? It was in an interview. ...At least when I do that, I look up what the name means first. 🤣
I was a victim of domestic abuse. I had a boyfriend who verbally abused and manipulated me. He never hit me, but the psychological abuse was horrible for two years. I finally got out. I'm now with a wonderful man and we've been together 14 years.
Ben from Nov 9 should have been in jail. Plain and simple. The way that the book tried so hard to give him a “tRaGiC bACksTOrY” and make us feel bad for him is so disgusting.
Even worse is the fact that in the original copy of the book he is also canonically a rapist (which colleen actually went back to rewrite to be consensual and put out in the new copy)
I'm pretty sure every abuser or criminal in real life has a tragic backstory(TM) but it does not excuse their behavior. All their victims have tragic backstories(TM) too and they don't become criminals. There is never any excuse to behave abusively, period.
@@zebracorneexactly. An explanation is not an excuse. You can explain someone’s horrible behavior without excusing it. Plenty of pedos blame the fact they were CSAd as a child on why they are like that. But there are so many people that were CSAd that think pedos are gross and should die lmao.
The way Ben in the nov 9th book needs to know if fallen is scarred under her clothes as well and is obsessing about it reminds me so much of how men and some cis people treat me as a trans woman. They just have to know what I have under my clothes, that part of the book actaully had me audibly cringing
Oh lord! I hadn't thought about it like that but absolutely! I'm a transman so it's slightly different but I've definitely had men obsess over if I've had surgery or not and what I'd look like in feminine clothing
I actually did read that one, I even wrote the script for it and filmed but I didn’t have time to edit it all so I left it out, RIP! It would’ve been my highest rated for the vid tbh it’s not that bad
@@nikkicarreon It’s the best of the books that I’ve read from her. She really should write horrors and thrillers instead of romances. She’s pretty good at the creepy, disturbing stuff.
Damn as a person with an abusive father, the idea that Ryle could just functionally coparent without also abusing their child is BONKERS,, like okie dokie great way to pass the trauma u endured onto your daughter >:( ugh
Same, my father was horrible to my mom, but had the audacity to try after like 13 years to meet his kids (me + my brother), going to court and claiming she kept us away from him, then when the court said 'fine, meet them' and we arranged a time and place, he never showed up and never followed up after. Whenever we'd unfortunately need to get in touch he'd show how little he cared, getting birthdays and ages wrong and wanting us to drop out of school and work as teens if it meant he'd pay less child support (which he just stopped paying when we needed it most during covid). He was a terrible, neglectful parent even before the divorce, with my mom having to take of us entirely on her own (including trying to budget the small amount of money she had since he didn't want to even cover nappies or food or any basic needs). While of course being abusive to her at the same time. You can't be abusive and a good person.
man, what really bugs me in these books is there are like 5 characters and theyre all related somehow. every time someone meets someone else its like "omg its love interest's sister" or "deceased lover's best friend" like that is not realistic
tbf nothing about colleen hoover's books are realistic 😭 falling in complete love with random strangers is such a stupid trope and she somehow manages to wriggle it in all of her books
I worked at target for over a year and the amount of Colleen Hoover books I had to see will forever haunt me. I close my eyes and I can still see the boxes filled with “ugly love” and the amount of displays we had to make for her books bc we didn’t have enough room to backstock all of them. Nikki thank you for reading these awful book, thank you for your sacrifice 🫡.
I almost wish i liked her books, or that they were any good because of how many there are and how accessible they are in every store. I wouldnt be struggling to find stuff to read.
@@ashegrey3042 From what I see at work they tend to be fans. I think the funny thing is that there's always a Hoover book on hold for somebody out there
as a survivor of sexual assault, her male characters are always r*pey and her word choice during intercourse scenes are deliberately clearly meant to have that non consensual “i don’t want it- but i do” feel. it’s disgusting and makes me NAUSEOUS. i actually feel sick reading these comments about her other stories. AND SHE DEFENDED HER SON WHO SA’D A WOMAN.
First I'm so sorry that happened to you and second it is absolutely horrible that she defended her son who sexually assaulted someone and just from hearing that no wonder why all of her characters forgive the abuser. Also it is very clear she gets some feeling or something from writing unhealthy relationships and romanticizing trauma.
I feel like most of Colleen's fans are women who have never been in an abusive relationship before. Her books make me extremely uncomfortable as a survivor.
@wormie1312 a girl I know suggested I read Colleen's works, specifically 'It Ends With Us'. I kid you not, she praised it to the high heavens. I only knew that it was marketed as romance, while I'm not really into romance novels I wanted to give it a try since I wanted to get to know her better. Fast forward months later, my friend got into a toxic relationship. Thankfully it ended quickly since my friend was really insecure about the guy and wanted validation from our friend group, and the rest of our friends pointed out how terrible her boyfriend was. So there is some truth that people who are in abusive relationships gravitate towards Colleen Hoover's works, and unfortunately some of them genuinely think it's normal. But of course, it might be a coincidence in my case.
@@sofiasevilla74O think it's worse. It sounds like you're describing someone who read Colleen Hoover and may have become more vulnerable to abuse, if anything
As a florist, my favorite misconception about flower shops is that we somehow make money selling only bouquets. Hate to ruin the pipedream, but you spend most of your day doing funeral work. It can be a very depressing job most days.
As a straight woman approaching 40 who left an abusive relationship instead of getting married: I think that's what you have to do to be with men, almost every long term relationship I've witnessed was detrimental and degrading to the woman in some way but without us romanticising this the species would cease to exist. Girls usually learn to romanticise that shit in highschool, I'm the weird old spinster because I couldn't take it.
@@c.w.8200thinking that you have to romanticise literal abuse or shitty behaviour for men is NECESSARY is fucked up. I’ve been with the most amazing and caring man ever for the last few years and not once did I need to romanticise any of his mildly upsetting behaviours. Telling women, especially young women, that they NEED to accept mediocre or even terrible men because otherwise “the species wouldn’t exist” is sick and fucked up frankly. There is no need to accept abuse and behavioural problems, and spreading such an idea is terribly harmful. You must have been surrounded by terrible men to be FOURTY and think there’s no other way than toxic relationships.
@@emilia2550seriously, I’ve been married to my husband for almost 4 years now, and before that we were dating long-distance for like, 6 years, and before THAT we were high school sweethearts! Sure we had a little break after high school where we dated other people, but those guys (and gal, in his case) were childish, manipulative, possessive and AARRRGGGHH!! Sorry, lost it for a sec. Point is, I kept going back to him cuz he is actually a decent human being who, while not always knowing what to do , at least listens and treats me well. He’s the Spock to my Kirk, or the Craig to my Tweek, basically. So naturally, Colleen ain’t ever writing about us XD
“started a dark, fucked up version of a flower store haha. just a glimpse into my dark reality. a full stare into my twisted personality would make most simply go insane lmao” -lily blossom bloom probably
So Ian’s friend spitefully committed technical incest and then killed his kid, and his spiteful brother nearly killed his girlfriend in a house fire because of misinformation. Cool.
Ryle says he's been in therapy since he shot his brother right? And his anger management issues have always been his biggest concern right? And THEY DECIDE AFTER 20 YEARS that he needs anger management training? What has he been doing in therapy for the past couple years!?
Augh my friend loves these books for some reason and thought that I was SIMILAR to Ben from Nov 9th Like she genuinely thought he was a nice goofy character who was super caring. I tried to explain to her how abusive the love interests are in these books and she didn’t believe me💀💀
I really hope your friend eventually realizes the red flags of all the CoHo love interests 😭😭😭 I'm concerned for your friend:s safety when dating someone
Same thing with my ex friend too but instead of Ch book if killing stalking like I try to tell her the thing they have for each other is not love and if s a really toxic relationship but she keep saying the they both are in love🤡
Colleen Hoover seems to just hate her own female characters. She gives more excuses and empathy and even lore to abusive men than the literal victims of said abusive men... No wonder she's kinda known to be awful lmao.
The best (and by that I mean worst) part about Ryle's issues being "solved" by going to anger management is that anyone in social work will tell you that anger management is not a suitable service for domestic abusers. People with issues around anger management will become triggered and violent with themselves and others. Domestic abusers like Ryle will lie and say that they are blacked out, triggered, don't remember what happen, they just get so angry, etc.. but that isn't true, they are systematically and deliberately behaving the way they do in order to perpetuate the cycle of abuse, those excuses are part of the apology phase of the cycle. Domestic abusers get sent to classes called BIP or batterer's intervention programs. I don't know what goes on in them, I've never observed one, but I know that they take a fundamentally different approach than anger management because they are completely different behavior patterns and though processes.
If you want a HEALTHY and SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER version of “It Ends With Us” PLEASE watch the movie “Waitress” (2007) it is one of the most accurate depictions of abuse I’ve watched and doesn’t romanticize the horror of it, while also being a sweet fun movie. Honestly I do feel sick comparing it to that awful novel cause it’s like comparing the Mona Lisa to a Ms paint drawing, but if you wanted a similar(ish) plot but done right, Waitress is right up your alley. (I could also recommend the musical adaptation of the film, but honestly it is such a watered down version and doesn’t handle the abuse aspect well-)
If there’s one thing we can count on in this crazy, fucked up world, it’s the fact that Colleen Hoover is going to give her characters the worst, most insufferable names ever put to paper.
Ryle being a neurosurgeon reminds me of that neurologist that was doing a study of psychopath MRIs and scanned his own brain as a "control" and found out he was a psychopath himself. And he was like, "yeah, this makes sense"
was he actually a bad person or was it just something he experienced in his life without ending up a total shitface, because if its the latter then thats gotta be a fucking insane thing to learn but possibly a funny story to tell at parties (again, if he goes about life normally and people know him as a chill person). Ive known folks with really out there personal mental things yet theyre all pretty normal. One kid legitimately does not experience much positive emotion from interacting with other people and feels no personal need to have friends, which people would assume means hes an antisocial asshole who doesnt understand anyone or care for people, but nah hes one of the chillest buddies ive had lmao
@@exist4046 from what I remember from the podcast interview, he had always been low on empathy and had to teach himself how to act in social situations. He had a wife and a good career but his reputation was as an unfeeling asshole. But he wasn't some red flag abuser. According to him anyway.
@@leebarsa2625 honestly thats mildly relatable. its not as severe for me, but with my autism i can quickly go between way too much empathy, and far too little. its a real struggle to navigate esp when i dont even realize that shift has occurred. i hope hes doin well
@@leebarsa2625 Yeah, people forget or ignore that psychopathy is simply a mental condition impacting empathy and the way one relates to the world, not Twisted Fucked Up Syndrome. The fucking stigma that is so ubiquitous against some mental illnesses makes me have thoughts of arson
@@jstarstudios7110 literally. it's frustrating how people still view those with mental illness as "fucked up" while also claiming to be mental health advocates. also no/low empathy≠bad uncaring person, im tired of people relating the two. empathy is the act of understanding what people are going through and putting yourself in their shoes, and you don't necessarily need that to still be a kind, compassionate person. if you show kindness to people only if you can personally relate to their situation that's something you gotta work on
Just wanna point out that at 1:33:27, a cute cat can be seen in the bottom left corner. Just minding their business. Pondering the light. Listening to the horrors of poorly-written relationships. Awesome video, horrible books. 10/10.
The moment I heard that he apologized right after hitting her and yelling at her made me have a literal flashback to my abusive ex girlfriend. I honestly wanna throw hands with Colleen Hoover especially because she was a social worker. 😐
I'm so sorry, I hate the fact Colleen Hoover is a social worker too, but worst of all she defended her son who SA'ed a woman.??? Hope you recover, take care of yourself
I haven’t read any of Hoover‘s books but one theme that sticks out is how in almost every book the way the characters meet and develop a relationship is so rushed. They barely know each other and the reader is supposed to believe there is some sort of profound and meaningful relationship?
They met for a few weeks and immediately want to get married and have kids without any proper discussion on it, like considering Colleen is from Texas and never left. is this how the south does relationships?
I don’t know why it makes me so irrationally angry how this book keeps referencing Gary Busey’s mugshot when it clearly means Nick Nolte’s mugshot, but Colleen Hoover couldn’t be bothered to fact check. 😂
i love steampunk lol but the idea of living flowers in all these bulky accessories makes me kinda sad, maybe it it were flowers made of metal with steampunk elements i would honestly love to have it in my room as a decoration
i think none of colleen hoover's books would've been written if she wasn't so aggressively anti therapy and would just get treated for her intense daddy issues that are reflected in all the abusive male love interests she writes and romanticizes
Hoover's books are so traumatizing I literally thought "oh god, please don't let it be creepy inc*st again" when I heard the mention of a male family member.
The part I feel most bad for you about is the fact you had to BUY the books to read them. Also if the only thing Ryle could think abt all week is Lily, even during WORK.....BRO'S A NEUROSURGEON??? SIR FOCUS ON THE OPEN SKULL IN FRONT OF YOU INSTEAD OF THINKING ABT THE HOT GIRL YOU MET RECENTLY.
Mini Brands upsets me so much because i actually LOVE miniatures, playing Barbies with my sister as a kid I was always more interested in the tiny soaps and phones and spatulas than the actual dolls, but Mini Brands just feels like a celebration of consumerism in the worst possible way.
i am also 24 about to be 25 in december & just went through the worst few months of my life and everything exploded in my face to where i now am clawing my way out of rock bottom so yeah i don’t have my shirt figured out jfc that made me feel so shitty that “most people have their lives figured out by 23” like miss hoover did YOU have your shit figured out by 23??? that’s like right after people graduate college IF a they go to college??
CoHo is writing about a literal neurosurgeon but doesn't know that the human brain doesn't even fully finish developing until around age 25. The idea that even the majority of people have their lives figured out two full years before they've even fully finished developing into an adult is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
37:30 "something inside me snaps" idk who needs to hear this, but abusers _do not_ "just snap". notice how they typically only "snap" when it comes to their victims. rarely if ever do you see an abuser "snap" and beat up their boss, or the cashier at the store, or their own grandma. notice how some people who are physically abusive hit their victim in places where bruises aren't easily visible - would they have the wherewithal to do that if they had "just snapped"? likewise, some physically abusive people will stop short of doing something they know will cause serious injury or death. if they had "just snapped," why were they cognizant/lucid enough to do that? notice how they tend to mostly "snap" in private and not in public settings. when they break things, notice how many of them break something of sentimental importance to their victim and rarely, if ever, break something of their own (excluding often replaceable and/or non-sentimental objects like dishes or furniture). obviously, this isn't the case all the time - some abusers _are_ physically aggressive towards other people, though usually not to the same extent or in the same ways as they are with their victim. in cases where the abuse is visible, they will usually still attempt to cover it up and/or lie about it. some _will_ cause serious injury or do something they know could potentially be fatal. in fact, domestic violence is _very often_ a precursor to murder. regardless, that _still_ does not mean they "just snapped" or "saw red" or "lost control". it just means they will do what they believe they can _get away with_ in the environment that they're in. they are still in control of their decisions. they could choose to change their behavior.
Yeah, "I just snapped" is something you say after you had enough and verbally went off on someone, or yelled at your friend over something that didn't really merit that big a reaction. You don't "snap" and commit a calculated crime. If you genuinely can't control violent impulses, there is literally no valid reaction other than immediately seeking therapy
these books feel so…empty? like the storylines are so stupidly simple and straight to the point all while being the least resonable most bland ways to reach it. all of the plots sound extremely similar with the mandatory sex scenes. it’s so bad, so bad that i’m willing to bet a wattpad writer would’ve made the sex scenes at least a tad bit more « enjoyable ». the characters feel so bland and devoid of any personal ways of experiencing their very unique situations. i would say it’s a shame that these characters never got fully explored, but i never felt the least bit interested in them so idk…feels like a waste of time tbh im so glad i never picked her books 💀
The first time I watched a video about Reminders of Him I felt like I was going fucking insane because of how much the novel excuses Kenna murdering her boyfriend. The summary calls it a mistake. The characters refer to it as a mistake. The book makes it seem like it's unfair that she can't see her baby whose father she murdered. It's clear that Colleen herself clearly sees intoxicated driving, and one that results in death at that, as a mistake, which is sickening. Even if you go to the Amazon reviews the most top rated review is by someone who has a family member who did the same thing, and phrases it as a sympathetic sob story about how the guy can't see his daughter because he's serving a life sentence for the death he's responsible for. Intoxicated driving is not a mistake. It is drilled into you your entire life, your entire period of learning to drive, in your driving tests, that you should NEVER drive Intoxicated. People who do so despite all these warnings are selfish people, and deserve every repricussion they get when they kill someone with their negligence. Kenna should never get to be around her daughter. Disgusting. Ledger is a fucking terrible friend, too.
It ends with us always rubbed me the wrong way because I had an ex who used past SA to justify doing what I now realize was SA to me. Past trauma is never an excuse to abuse someone. They know what they're doing.
so basically we have THREE books where the big plot twist comes from a key element of a tragic backstory revealed by one the main character's writings? and two of said writings are "letters" to someone out of reach? that these books are bestsellers and liked by many is for me sad and impressive at the same time.
Colleen Hoover builds chemistry between her leads by abducting the audience and forcing them to know how horny they are for each other through inner monologues. Like damn Colleen, can you let us see them talk to each other, and we make our own conclusion about it and pick up on the signals for ourselves. She can't let her characters have more options or everyone will see how little the MC loses from not interacting with the other protagonist. Her sex scenes must be really well written or something because the actual romance part makes it hard to understand how she became a romance writer at all. She seems better at thrillers.
They're not, they're written with very violent ways of wording "penetration" and in some of her books like "Too Late" a good chunk of the "sex scenes" are just rape
fell asleep rewatching your other c*lleen h**ver video and being sad that you didn't talk about the stupid abuse books or the silly fire book and then woke up to this video.... it's a halloween miracle.
I have no idea how Colleen Hoover became so successful, when all of her books are pretty much the same "Abusive/ pervert/ controllic bf" and “the insecure & inexperienced” girl who is just there to please the man like wtf how do people enjoy this? Like most of her books are so illogical and so oversexualized.
25:49 a better idea for a “twiSted flower shop” would’ve been to grow the flowers from various skulls. Which some people actually do and it looks neat.
So glad you talk about this lady. Because I want to be an author with everything in me. And if she can become popular, then my work is like genius in comparison also I feel like Colleen might change the genre of her books one day. especially after all the backlash she’s gotten for her badly written romance novels. She might start actually writing horror/thriller novels. And the day she does is the day i’ll pick up one of her books. edit: i keep coming back to this video and your other colleen video when i have nothing to watch lol. please more bad book reviews. love you nikki
The thing thats getting me is how Colleen Hoover isnt writing the stalking, swearing, throwing cups, and pressuring for sex as abusive, when all of those things are abusive in the setting of the book. If your partner is loosing their temper and throwing stuff, or someone continuously asks you out when oyu reject them, you should not be concidering a relationship with them. Its not cute, which is what it feels like its written as in the book. And every goodreads review ive read writes it as, "Lily and Ryle have a cute first meeting-" NO THEY DIDNT!!! SHUT UUUUP! Colleen writes as if she thinks abuse can only be physical.
i also think that 'it ends with us' could have been better if it had ~unreliable narration~ but. it doesnt. its just how the character is. she genuinly sees nothing wrong with a guy stalking her or pressuring her into sex. and she genuinly sees nothing wrong with the sisters double standards.
I bought it ends with us on a whim bc I liked the title, read the first few pages where they introduce Ryle (idk how to spell it) and thought he sounded awful and abusive from the first second when he was booting the chairs and telling her what to do. I literally returned the book the next day LMAO 💀Glad to know I was right about him and to give up on that book.
I'm going to the library this afternoon. Since I'm a sucker for romance I filtered all the romance book they have so I know what I can read once there... There was almost only Collen Hoover books. I'm not too familiar with her, I just read the synopsis and though "Yep, that's gonna suck, that's not for me". For the 3 to 4 books I opened. Your videos are weirdly very useful and relevant to my life as a student.
Dark purple roses exist????? I don't have a ton of experience in floriculture but out of every niche kind of bouquet request I've ever learned I've never seen steampunk as a request lmao (and I've made a nikki minaj themed wreath)
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Have a wonderful Halloween my friends and stay safe!
i watched this after halloween but i thank you anywho
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The worst part is that Colleen Hoover is a social worker.
She should *not* be a social worker.
IM SORRY WHAT
That’s actually horrible
???? WHAT THE FUCK?????
SHES A WHAT. praying for whoever she works with. especially the ones on the "receiving" end.
she was a social worker lol
Quit smoking weed a while back but every time I read a Colleen Hoover book it feels like I never quit
This is fucking golden
This is my favorite comment ever
At least weed gives you a moment of euphoria and clarity.
All i feel from colleen hoover’s books is the side effects😭
😂😂😂
STOPPPP this is so funny 😭😭
Lily Blossom Bloom is definitely the name of a 5th graders My Little Pony OC
BYE LITERALLY
@@chrissy3875 I know because 5th grade me had an OC named Lily Lilac (I have yet to change her name so that is still it)
It's the flowery version of dementia darkness raven
@@nealaxr2000NOT EBONY DARKNESS DEMENTIA WAY
Sounds like a Winx Club OC 😂
lily blossom bloom literally sounds like a randomized animal jam username
as an ex animal jam player this is so real 😭😭😭😭
as a animal jam player this is so real
as a future animal jam player this is so real
as a current animal jam player this is so real
MLP community is quaking rn
lily blossom bloom is an insane character name for a book written by a 40 y/o 💀💀
40 y/o brony**
It's giving me Ebony dark'ness dementia raven way vibes
Sounds like a name created by an ai.
@@sauronthemighty3985 Random Name Generator would never! She's worse than an AI.
my little pony name
Colleen Hoover looked at Christian Grey and said, Yeah, I can do worse.
Christian Grey is a DISNEY PRINCE compared to her main guy protagonists
OMG!!!! These comments have me dead!🤚😭
@@babygirl_likestochewgum
Leeeeet’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
@@babygirl_likestochewgum Compared to Ben Kessler, or...? Because at least he didn't set Anastasia on fire.
christian is a saint compared to how shitty colleen writes her male protagnists
Most of Hoover's novels would be better as thrillers, not romances, especially "November 9." The male love interest ruins the female lead's career and body, and violates a restraining order, yet SHE'S expected to forgive HIM, and actually takes him back?!
Should be considered true crime
@@sanderengelen9140. Funny you say that; that’s CoHo’s favourite genre. She didn’t start reading romance novels until after publishing a few of her own
@@d_alistair-yearsand it definitely shows
Don’t forget the fact that SHE apologised to him in the end and her own MOTHER took his side.
Like no wonder Colleen hoover’s son is a predator, I mean look at what she normalises in her books
It’s pretty concerning that Ryle is meant to be in some ways reminiscent of her father but he’s pretty much identical to almost every single love interest she’s ever written. Like Colleen Hoover sells more than the Bible and pretty much all of her books are essentially romanticising her father.
Girlie just loves to romanticize abuse, it’s crazy
Ewwww oh my god that woman is so weird
And she’s obviously a boy mom to her son GIRL THAT WONT MAKE YO FATHER LOVE U😭
Naw but I was like "when does it end, she's already with the main guy isn't she?" Because he is the Colleen standard...
Fuckers can't stop proving Freud right ffs
But if Ryle’s hands are so important, why does he keep punching stuff?
Right? Like what dumbass works as surgeon and randomly punches shit
Exactly 😭
😭😭😭
don’t call Lily a stuff that’s rude
@@catherinesweb FAXX
the fact she portrays all her female characters with such passive characteristics like none of these women have a life outside of their significant other in her books its really sad especially cause she literally is a woman
The lack of proper support systems are so juicy and beautiful to her
She makes women look… manipulatable. Me personally who’s been through a relationship like this, it really does feel like a trap( at the age of 14, way older now) But if you’re fucking 23 you can have your own thoughts- and it ticks me off colleen doesn’t include any of her thoughts yk. It just feels like a dreams, just doesn’t make any sense
So many women now write these romanticized relationships. It makes no sense to me considering what women go through.
Twilight is no where near the first, but I hate how so many authors (mainly women) try to copy it. 365 days, el james, etc.
Not the sexy ideal to look up to people.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 exactly, it’s almost as if it’s some wacky ass kink. Some weird obsession with the fact these grown adults grew up without decision making skills😭. Her books feel like she wrote it once and called it good, no matter how many times the answers are right in front of the character she drags it on. It seems as if she wants her book to look bigger/have more pages.
The women in her books feel like they don’t have any agency in their lives, stuff just happens to them. It feels like if the women were replaced with a pretty sculpture, very little would change.
“The BDSM flower store” I’m dying 😭😭
What's good not this
Are all Colleen's books just her trying to make excuses for how her father could treat her mother so terribly and still be a "good" dad? Have we finally cracked her weird, repetitive storytelling where no one grows or learns? Maybe now that it's made her millions of dollars she can finally get therapy.
Honestly? Makes a lot of sense. Though she's very anti-therapy too so I wouldn't put that much hope
this makes so much sense
This is the best analysis possible from these absolutely horribly written books
i dont care if this is a joke or not this is 100% true, crazy
@@Punk_MaleBeing anti therapy is the weirdest dumb hill to die on
I think Lily's name problem is something Colleen faces all the time. People probably walk up to her all the time and ask if this is what she really wants to do or if she's just using the last name "hoover" to cash in on how much she sucks.
Zinger
STOP THIS IS SO FUNNY
OmD that got me…the “read more” covered the punchline, I was pretty sure I saw it coming, but HAD to know…better than expected. Well done.
LMFAOOO 😭😭
bazinga!!
at this point we are approximately two colleen hoover novels away from her flat out naming two twin brothers "homophobia" and "incest"
I would not be surprised
November 9 makes me so pissed LOL. Like, because he misunderstood something and witnessed his mom's death, it's TOTALLY OKAY he ruined some girl's life forever. OKAY. SURE. SCREW URSELF COLLEEN.
I honestly wish the dude just published his attented homicide love confession just for the chaos of it all
Her books are terrible. I will never Read them.
As a victim of domestic abuse, it's actually kind of sad how realistic some of Lily's rationale is in the story. Despite not being a nuanced character at all, the way she navigated being abused by someone who finally convinced her to open up to him--trust him--after so much resistence on her end reminds me a lot of myself when I was in an abusive relationship. The manipulation is seriously unreal and your abuser becomes your entire world; every decision you make or thought you have always ties back to them. I felt like my state of mind was never really clear and constantly dominated by fear mixed with devotion I mistakened for love. I wish this book took more of an unambiguous anti-abuse standpoint instead of towing that line between romanticizing abuse and using it as a poorly rendered plot device. If Hoover had been smarter or had a clearer sense of direction in which she was taking this book, it may have appealed to me as a victim myself.
Completely agree 100%
Can we just acknowledge that Collen has most likely had terrible experiences with men, and instead of realizing she was mistreated, she just kinda ran with it? The way she downplays assault and abuse and the violation of consent makes me worry about what shes downplayed in real life.
Smh she’s against therapy and believes this shit works lol
@@camila1925therapy sucks. Therapists nowadays just ask you if you’re gay and read you some Pinterest quotes
@@Rowanda7361I have had good and bad therapists
@@Rowanda7361 My therapist was not like that at all. Was your therapist a school counselor?
I feel like she goes for men who are terrible based on how much she adored the men in her books.
i just finished an exam where i wrote what was, admittedly, the worst imaginative text i have ever written. this video helped me realise that, no matter how horrible my story was, it is nothing compared to the atrocities of colleen hoover
💀💀💀💀
I am pretty sure that bad authors are bad simply to give unpublished people confidence in their own writing.
Dude lots of fic writers on ao3 write infinitely better than colleen hoover. Which isn’t saying much bc those fic writers are talented, but colleen hoover as the bar is literally down the mariana’s trench 😭
@loosemarbles Fr fic writers are crazy. Some of the best fiction I've ever read in terms of creativity, wording, etc, was fanfic for stuff like the gay-coded Ace Attorney lawyers who have official jewelry merch that's basically just wedding rings
A reminder to all the folks that don't know, asexual and aromantic aren't the same thing 😅 asexuals can want to date, but just have levels of intimacy not in it
yeah you're right i hate when people mixed these two things up when they're completely different from each other
Aromantic people are often forgotten about, sadly. I feel like the concept of romantic attraction in general isn't well known or understood though
@@ImaginaryAlchemist agreed, it's unfortunate and so misunderstood
Yes!
@@ImaginaryAlchemist as an aro i feel left out alot sometimes in lgbtq+ content and stuff
I want the it ends with us movie to have Atlas as the main character where he’s actually just a normal dud and everyone else is acting so odd and at the end he realizes he’s in a Colleen Hoover book
😂😂😂😂
STOP 💀💀💀💀💀💀
THAT’S ACTUALLY SUCH A GOOD IDEA
We need that to be an actual movie ASAP
We need this
Personally, I think that if you write a story about abuse,
1. Don't make it look and sound like it's just like every other romance book
2. Don't write the abuser to be JUST LIKE every other fucking love interest you've written, bc godDAMN I honestly thought it WASN'T about abuse for WAY too long
3. DON'T MAKE THE COVER ALL CUTESY AND FLOWERY, it just feels so tone deaf??? Bc it makes it look like Colleen just wrote a new romance book, in my opinion. Yadda yadda don't judge a book by its cover or whatever, but within the context of everything else Colleen writes, the cover art makes it very misleading
ALSO, I remember in November 9, there used to be an ACTUAL R*PE SCENE, and it was STILL marketed as a ROMANCE. So obviously the readers won't fucking notice that Ryle is meant to be abusive if he isn't even close to out of place in the CoHo love interest lineup. At least not at first.
4. don’t make your novel about graphic domestic violence it into a colouring book
@@lovesunset345 GOD YEAH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT 😭😭 srsly what does she want us to color?? Ryle abusing lily???
I agree with most of this except for the fact that the reason ryle was supposed to be like every other romantic character is becuase that was kind of the point of the whole book because in abusive relationships it doesn’t just start off with a horrible person in the beginning which is why lily stayed with Ryle the first time she was abused because he was just like any other lover in the beginning
@@Eggzilla-tbh I do get that. However, that only works if the author’s other love interests… aren’t abusive. Ryle still fits right in with people like Leads (Jesus Christ these names) and Jeremy (from Verity). From the very start, Ryle was a freak, and yet we’re supposed to believe that those were the GOOD times. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth…
@@Eggzilla-tbhlike the other said. but i gotta add that idk where you'd put her books in?
like it sounds like she's aware abuse sucks but she doesn't condemn it either???
She writes books about abuse.
The men are the peak definition of abusive
They internally think women suck and that they didnt do wrong
The women kinda defend themselves
But then the women apologize??? (Its worse for the one set on fire, like it wasnt her fault, she had everyright to never talk to him again and send him to JAIL and he CHEATED ON HER???? AND HES FINE WITH IT?)
And both their friends are like "omg you should go back to him cause he cried"??? hes an abusive a*hole/ set her on fire. what.
and then they end up together????
and then they allow children visits to their abusive father that beats anyong that makes them mad???
is she against or for abuse?
does she add the women "realization" moments because of a potential backflash??
CoHo’s sex scenes are like other people’s gore to me. I’ve got a great stomach for blood and guts but…”he thrusts inside me, invading me” or whAtever tf she says is foul. I’d go so far as to say it’s worse than whatever you’d find on wpd
the wording has to be deliberate. even when she writes consensual scenes, she still portrays sex as a violent act. it gives 'he assaults her but she likes it' vibes.
@@Louves192so true
The way you may or may not have censored wattpad here SENT ME
@@SpooklycryptidThey were using the acronym for the goresite Watch People Die
@@SpooklycryptidLMAOOO 😂😂😂
Colleen is so good at thinking of the absolute worse way every situation could go it’s honestly impressive
Maybe all her novels being like this is a sign of an untreated anxiety disorder
maybe when people are like "why didn't she just leave?" they weren't talking about lily and were actually talking about colleen leaving her career as a writer.
Hey dude? Its pretty rude to straight up murder somone like that
I read short fanfics in AO3 then make me feel more emotions and conect with the characters more then a entire book of Collen Hoover.
Please, Ive read AO3 stuff thats better than any book ive ever read, dont insult the Archive by putting it in the same sentence as coho
@@suprafatadecontact fr AO3 for some reason has all the good writers. Been living there for over 10 months and still haven't come across any bad fic
hey dont downplay ao3😭😭
ive read some fics on there that are better than a lot of the physical copies of books ive read
there are some fantastic authors on that site
Honestly this is giving more wattpad energy
More like wattpad than ao3. Ao3 has plethora of masterpieces that CoHo’s books could never compare to.
This is how JustPearlyThings would write about sexual liberation."he creepily put his hands on me and that's when I knew... He was the one".
Isnt that the girl who made the ukulele song defending *Adolf Hitler*?
@@eightcoins4401 Ukelele is actually an ancient witchcraft to make people do cringe.
@@eightcoins4401 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK??????
@@eightcoins4401 Actually it was on guitar
I'M CRYING NOT JUSTPEARLYTHING
Colleen can NOT come up with names. Why does every woman in her books who has a baby just smash other names together like some creepy homage. Also all her characters like will make jokes about their names or have issue with them but like SHE gave them those shitty names
If I recall correctly, she names her characters after street names???
@@Pandachu123 ive never drove down lilly bloomin flower shop orchid daffodil rose street before 😒
@@littleguy8714 I think it was for the first names. So like... Ryle Rd or something like that? It was in an interview.
...At least when I do that, I look up what the name means first. 🤣
This book fucking sucks but you got a good pfp. I love opossums.
@@Pandachu123that would NOT work in my city, they're the nqme of famous people or about the war
MY NAME IS RYLE?? this the first time ever heard it anywhere else nooooo 😭😭
IM SO SORRY RYLE
Colleen really trolled u with the Ryle representation…
Bro caught a stray💀💀💀
YOUR PARENTS SHOULD’VE NAMED U MARIO
That’s rough buddy
I was a victim of domestic abuse. I had a boyfriend who verbally abused and manipulated me. He never hit me, but the psychological abuse was horrible for two years. I finally got out. I'm now with a wonderful man and we've been together 14 years.
❤❤❤
I hope you two are still going strong! I’m glad that you found a person that treats you how you deserve to be treated. 💞
Ben from Nov 9 should have been in jail. Plain and simple. The way that the book tried so hard to give him a “tRaGiC bACksTOrY” and make us feel bad for him is so disgusting.
Even worse is the fact that in the original copy of the book he is also canonically a rapist (which colleen actually went back to rewrite to be consensual and put out in the new copy)
I'm pretty sure every abuser or criminal in real life has a tragic backstory(TM) but it does not excuse their behavior. All their victims have tragic backstories(TM) too and they don't become criminals. There is never any excuse to behave abusively, period.
@@zebracorneexactly. An explanation is not an excuse. You can explain someone’s horrible behavior without excusing it. Plenty of pedos blame the fact they were CSAd as a child on why they are like that. But there are so many people that were CSAd that think pedos are gross and should die lmao.
writing letters to ellen and grunge flower shop oh she’s scary
Steampunk
lmaooo
The way Ben in the nov 9th book needs to know if fallen is scarred under her clothes as well and is obsessing about it reminds me so much of how men and some cis people treat me as a trans woman. They just have to know what I have under my clothes, that part of the book actaully had me audibly cringing
Oh 😢 I’m so sorry
Oh lord! I hadn't thought about it like that but absolutely!
I'm a transman so it's slightly different but I've definitely had men obsess over if I've had surgery or not and what I'd look like in feminine clothing
AAAA, SIS, SAME, AS A TRANSMAN SAMEEE AA A A A A AA A A
The original version of the book is worse, Caleb Joseph has a video about it called my feud with colleen hoover or smth like that
transguy here and honestly AGREE. same situation but slightly backwards 💀
omg u totally should read verity it’s one of her books that she actually intended to be a thriller and it’s fucking insane 😭
I actually did read that one, I even wrote the script for it and filmed but I didn’t have time to edit it all so I left it out, RIP! It would’ve been my highest rated for the vid tbh it’s not that bad
@@nikkicarreon she rlly just needs to switch genres into horror its so much better than her other books
Omg yessssss!
@@nikkicarreon It’s the best of the books that I’ve read from her. She really should write horrors and thrillers instead of romances. She’s pretty good at the creepy, disturbing stuff.
@@nikkicarreonidk why i thought you did that one in your last video 😅 also totally unrelated but i’m so honored bc ppl always tell me i look like you
Damn as a person with an abusive father, the idea that Ryle could just functionally coparent without also abusing their child is BONKERS,, like okie dokie great way to pass the trauma u endured onto your daughter >:( ugh
Same, my father was horrible to my mom, but had the audacity to try after like 13 years to meet his kids (me + my brother), going to court and claiming she kept us away from him, then when the court said 'fine, meet them' and we arranged a time and place, he never showed up and never followed up after.
Whenever we'd unfortunately need to get in touch he'd show how little he cared, getting birthdays and ages wrong and wanting us to drop out of school and work as teens if it meant he'd pay less child support (which he just stopped paying when we needed it most during covid).
He was a terrible, neglectful parent even before the divorce, with my mom having to take of us entirely on her own (including trying to budget the small amount of money she had since he didn't want to even cover nappies or food or any basic needs). While of course being abusive to her at the same time.
You can't be abusive and a good person.
Especially since she asked him “what would you do if your daughter went through what you did to me” like she’s not PUTTING HER IN THAT SITUATION
@@MYLAR. EXACTLY
It definitely didn’t “end with us,” she’s passing it all down to her readers…
man, what really bugs me in these books is there are like 5 characters and theyre all related somehow. every time someone meets someone else its like "omg its love interest's sister" or "deceased lover's best friend" like that is not realistic
tbf nothing about colleen hoover's books are realistic 😭 falling in complete love with random strangers is such a stupid trope and she somehow manages to wriggle it in all of her books
unrelated but nonbinary daan as a pfp is phenomenal
I worked at target for over a year and the amount of Colleen Hoover books I had to see will forever haunt me. I close my eyes and I can still see the boxes filled with “ugly love” and the amount of displays we had to make for her books bc we didn’t have enough room to backstock all of them. Nikki thank you for reading these awful book, thank you for your sacrifice 🫡.
I almost wish i liked her books, or that they were any good because of how many there are and how accessible they are in every store. I wouldnt be struggling to find stuff to read.
Giving you a solute for being a fellow former target employee
@@pistachio9099sounds like congratulating a veteran lol
@@dotdot5906even listening to excerpts from her books is like being under fire
christ, i am so glad i work in market purely for the sake of not having to push colleen hoover books. my condolences and utmost respect.
I work at a library and MAN, PEOPLE CHECK THEM OUT ALL THE TIME
but when they bring them back do they say anything/seem satisfied or horrified? 😂
I wonder how many of those people actually liked the book lol
At least they’re not buying them lol.
@@ashegrey3042 From what I see at work they tend to be fans. I think the funny thing is that there's always a Hoover book on hold for somebody out there
Rip to my 12 year old self who picked up verity because I heard it was good on booktok 🫡
as a survivor of sexual assault, her male characters are always r*pey and her word choice during intercourse scenes are deliberately clearly meant to have that non consensual “i don’t want it- but i do” feel. it’s disgusting and makes me NAUSEOUS. i actually feel sick reading these comments about her other stories. AND SHE DEFENDED HER SON WHO SA’D A WOMAN.
Right, and I hate that it's all over tik tok had no idea it was this bad!!
she did WHAT? wtf
First I'm so sorry that happened to you and second it is absolutely horrible that she defended her son who sexually assaulted someone and just from hearing that no wonder why all of her characters forgive the abuser.
Also it is very clear she gets some feeling or something from writing unhealthy relationships and romanticizing trauma.
I feel like most of Colleen's fans are women who have never been in an abusive relationship before. Her books make me extremely uncomfortable as a survivor.
@wormie1312 a girl I know suggested I read Colleen's works, specifically 'It Ends With Us'. I kid you not, she praised it to the high heavens.
I only knew that it was marketed as romance, while I'm not really into romance novels I wanted to give it a try since I wanted to get to know her better. Fast forward months later, my friend got into a toxic relationship. Thankfully it ended quickly since my friend was really insecure about the guy and wanted validation from our friend group, and the rest of our friends pointed out how terrible her boyfriend was.
So there is some truth that people who are in abusive relationships gravitate towards Colleen Hoover's works, and unfortunately some of them genuinely think it's normal. But of course, it might be a coincidence in my case.
@@sofiasevilla74O think it's worse. It sounds like you're describing someone who read Colleen Hoover and may have become more vulnerable to abuse, if anything
As a florist, my favorite misconception about flower shops is that we somehow make money selling only bouquets. Hate to ruin the pipedream, but you spend most of your day doing funeral work. It can be a very depressing job most days.
damn, kinda sad that what's so commonly associated with beauty and romance is actually mostly used for death and mourning
the fact colleens most popular book plots COULD have been great if she didn’t have such a way of romanticizing disgusting and toxic things
As a straight woman approaching 40 who left an abusive relationship instead of getting married: I think that's what you have to do to be with men, almost every long term relationship I've witnessed was detrimental and degrading to the woman in some way but without us romanticising this the species would cease to exist. Girls usually learn to romanticise that shit in highschool, I'm the weird old spinster because I couldn't take it.
@@c.w.8200thinking that you have to romanticise literal abuse or shitty behaviour for men is NECESSARY is fucked up. I’ve been with the most amazing and caring man ever for the last few years and not once did I need to romanticise any of his mildly upsetting behaviours. Telling women, especially young women, that they NEED to accept mediocre or even terrible men because otherwise “the species wouldn’t exist” is sick and fucked up frankly. There is no need to accept abuse and behavioural problems, and spreading such an idea is terribly harmful. You must have been surrounded by terrible men to be FOURTY and think there’s no other way than toxic relationships.
@@emilia2550seriously, I’ve been married to my husband for almost 4 years now, and before that we were dating long-distance for like, 6 years, and before THAT we were high school sweethearts! Sure we had a little break after high school where we dated other people, but those guys (and gal, in his case) were childish, manipulative, possessive and AARRRGGGHH!! Sorry, lost it for a sec. Point is, I kept going back to him cuz he is actually a decent human being who, while not always knowing what to do , at least listens and treats me well. He’s the Spock to my Kirk, or the Craig to my Tweek, basically. So naturally, Colleen ain’t ever writing about us XD
@@emilia2550yeah if that’s the case- the species doesn’t deserve to exist.
Tina belcher could write these fan fiction type books better than Hoover ever could
Tina writes better romance. I'd believe all those zombies were into each other, can't say the same for some of Colleen's pairings.
At least Tina has decent writing and doesn't romanticise abuse
her books should be marketed as thrillers or (pyschological) horrors bc they are ABSOLUTELY NOT romances…
“started a dark, fucked up version of a flower store haha. just a glimpse into my dark reality. a full stare into my twisted personality would make most simply go insane lmao” -lily blossom bloom probably
I'm pretty sure it was from one of those edgelord "d*ddy d*m" tumblr blogs@@Littlemeast12Animations
this should be top comment
Yes, a dark, fucked up flower store.. a- hehehehahaAHAHAHA… little shop of horrors, you could say.
(I am so sorry)
So Ian’s friend spitefully committed technical incest and then killed his kid, and his spiteful brother nearly killed his girlfriend in a house fire because of misinformation. Cool.
Underrated comment tbh
Average Tuesday for Colleen Hoover I guess.
Ryle says he's been in therapy since he shot his brother right? And his anger management issues have always been his biggest concern right? And THEY DECIDE AFTER 20 YEARS that he needs anger management training? What has he been doing in therapy for the past couple years!?
THATS WHAT I SAID BRO
Not taking the advice, aparrently.
Augh my friend loves these books for some reason and thought that I was SIMILAR to Ben from Nov 9th Like she genuinely thought he was a nice goofy character who was super caring. I tried to explain to her how abusive the love interests are in these books and she didn’t believe me💀💀
Ditch her.
I really hope your friend eventually realizes the red flags of all the CoHo love interests 😭😭😭 I'm concerned for your friend:s safety when dating someone
Same thing with my ex friend too but instead of Ch book if killing stalking like I try to tell her the thing they have for each other is not love and if s a really toxic relationship but she keep saying the they both are in love🤡
@@kleesmcdonald5140 oh noooo not killing stalking
@@kleesmcdonald5140how do people consume a series called *_KILLING STALKING_* and think the characters are in love 💀
Colleen Hoover seems to just hate her own female characters. She gives more excuses and empathy and even lore to abusive men than the literal victims of said abusive men... No wonder she's kinda known to be awful lmao.
The best (and by that I mean worst) part about Ryle's issues being "solved" by going to anger management is that anyone in social work will tell you that anger management is not a suitable service for domestic abusers. People with issues around anger management will become triggered and violent with themselves and others. Domestic abusers like Ryle will lie and say that they are blacked out, triggered, don't remember what happen, they just get so angry, etc.. but that isn't true, they are systematically and deliberately behaving the way they do in order to perpetuate the cycle of abuse, those excuses are part of the apology phase of the cycle. Domestic abusers get sent to classes called BIP or batterer's intervention programs. I don't know what goes on in them, I've never observed one, but I know that they take a fundamentally different approach than anger management because they are completely different behavior patterns and though processes.
If you want a HEALTHY and SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER version of “It Ends With Us” PLEASE watch the movie “Waitress” (2007) it is one of the most accurate depictions of abuse I’ve watched and doesn’t romanticize the horror of it, while also being a sweet fun movie. Honestly I do feel sick comparing it to that awful novel cause it’s like comparing the Mona Lisa to a Ms paint drawing, but if you wanted a similar(ish) plot but done right, Waitress is right up your alley. (I could also recommend the musical adaptation of the film, but honestly it is such a watered down version and doesn’t handle the abuse aspect well-)
I love that movie so much and musical as well. ❤
So thank you both!! I watched both the movie and the musical ❤❤ I cried as the abuse was triggering, especially in the musical 😅
If there’s one thing we can count on in this crazy, fucked up world, it’s the fact that Colleen Hoover is going to give her characters the worst, most insufferable names ever put to paper.
Ryle being a neurosurgeon reminds me of that neurologist that was doing a study of psychopath MRIs and scanned his own brain as a "control" and found out he was a psychopath himself. And he was like, "yeah, this makes sense"
was he actually a bad person or was it just something he experienced in his life without ending up a total shitface, because if its the latter then thats gotta be a fucking insane thing to learn but possibly a funny story to tell at parties (again, if he goes about life normally and people know him as a chill person). Ive known folks with really out there personal mental things yet theyre all pretty normal. One kid legitimately does not experience much positive emotion from interacting with other people and feels no personal need to have friends, which people would assume means hes an antisocial asshole who doesnt understand anyone or care for people, but nah hes one of the chillest buddies ive had lmao
@@exist4046 from what I remember from the podcast interview, he had always been low on empathy and had to teach himself how to act in social situations. He had a wife and a good career but his reputation was as an unfeeling asshole. But he wasn't some red flag abuser. According to him anyway.
@@leebarsa2625 honestly thats mildly relatable. its not as severe for me, but with my autism i can quickly go between way too much empathy, and far too little. its a real struggle to navigate esp when i dont even realize that shift has occurred. i hope hes doin well
@@leebarsa2625 Yeah, people forget or ignore that psychopathy is simply a mental condition impacting empathy and the way one relates to the world, not Twisted Fucked Up Syndrome. The fucking stigma that is so ubiquitous against some mental illnesses makes me have thoughts of arson
@@jstarstudios7110 literally. it's frustrating how people still view those with mental illness as "fucked up" while also claiming to be mental health advocates. also no/low empathy≠bad uncaring person, im tired of people relating the two. empathy is the act of understanding what people are going through and putting yourself in their shoes, and you don't necessarily need that to still be a kind, compassionate person. if you show kindness to people only if you can personally relate to their situation that's something you gotta work on
Just wanna point out that at 1:33:27, a cute cat can be seen in the bottom left corner. Just minding their business. Pondering the light. Listening to the horrors of poorly-written relationships. Awesome video, horrible books. 10/10.
The moment I heard that he apologized right after hitting her and yelling at her made me have a literal flashback to my abusive ex girlfriend. I honestly wanna throw hands with Colleen Hoover especially because she was a social worker. 😐
I'm so sorry, I hate the fact Colleen Hoover is a social worker too, but worst of all she defended her son who SA'ed a woman.???
Hope you recover, take care of yourself
@@Emika_12332 Thank you!
ChatGPT gives better character names than “Ryle” or “Lily Blossom Bloom”.
Well ChatGPT isn't wattpad in 2019... Soo, yeah, you're right
Every time I read the name “Ryle” I can’t help but read it in a scooby doo voice
I asked ChatGPT to give me names and I got Dylan Knox and Lila Green which I think are much better
I did that and got Dylan Knox and Lila Green which I think is much better
I haven’t read any of Hoover‘s books but one theme that sticks out is how in almost every book the way the characters meet and develop a relationship is so rushed. They barely know each other and the reader is supposed to believe there is some sort of profound and meaningful relationship?
They met for a few weeks and immediately want to get married and have kids without any proper discussion on it, like considering Colleen is from Texas and never left. is this how the south does relationships?
@@galaxyocicat5660As a person from the south, I can concur that it is not
Also we are ashamed to have her here
@@galaxyocicat5660 as someone from texis myself: no wtf is this
I don’t know why it makes me so irrationally angry how this book keeps referencing Gary Busey’s mugshot when it clearly means Nick Nolte’s mugshot, but Colleen Hoover couldn’t be bothered to fact check. 😂
What does it mean
i love steampunk lol but the idea of living flowers in all these bulky accessories makes me kinda sad, maybe it it were flowers made of metal with steampunk elements i would honestly love to have it in my room as a decoration
i think none of colleen hoover's books would've been written if she wasn't so aggressively anti therapy and would just get treated for her intense daddy issues that are reflected in all the abusive male love interests she writes and romanticizes
Hoover's books are so traumatizing I literally thought "oh god, please don't let it be creepy inc*st again" when I heard the mention of a male family member.
The part I feel most bad for you about is the fact you had to BUY the books to read them.
Also if the only thing Ryle could think abt all week is Lily, even during WORK.....BRO'S A NEUROSURGEON??? SIR FOCUS ON THE OPEN SKULL IN FRONT OF YOU INSTEAD OF THINKING ABT THE HOT GIRL YOU MET RECENTLY.
LMAOOO
Shouldnt this mf be super busy too?
It shows how bad things are that this tripe outsells everything.
Could've just torrented the book lol
pdf!
if my mother had named me emerson dory we would be estranged.
Bro I'm crying! I thought that same thing too.
Not to mention she likely inherited the last name "Bloom". "Emerson Dory Bloom" is name change paperwork waiting to happen lol
Right??That's such an ugly name😭😭
Sounds fair
“How you got your name, honey? You’re named after your dead uncle who got his brains shot out by your dad, and a cartoon fish.”
It’s genuinely a curse how much I know about Colleen Hoover.
Same
"im violent towards you because i accidentally blew my brother's brains out" is a new one for me
No really
My wife left this video on as she fell asleep and now I am too engaged to turn it off. What a pie-to-the-face deserving author.
Omg just as i saw today that the kids toy brand "mini brands" is doing mini books soon and THEY INCLUDED REMINDERS OF HIM AND IT STARS WITH US
WHY OH GOD THAT IS NOT KIDS CONTENT
It's real, I just checked, humanity is doomed
Mini Brands upsets me so much because i actually LOVE miniatures, playing Barbies with my sister as a kid I was always more interested in the tiny soaps and phones and spatulas than the actual dolls, but Mini Brands just feels like a celebration of consumerism in the worst possible way.
@@lavernebennet7395 oh yeah I'm a doll collector and they irk me too
I did see that! wtf!
i legit cannot fathom how there is even an audience for these books like do they seriously think this is what romance is?
i am also 24 about to be 25 in december & just went through the worst few months of my life and everything exploded in my face to where i now am clawing my way out of rock bottom so yeah i don’t have my shirt figured out jfc that made me feel so shitty that “most people have their lives figured out by 23” like miss hoover did YOU have your shit figured out by 23??? that’s like right after people graduate college IF a they go to college??
CoHo is writing about a literal neurosurgeon but doesn't know that the human brain doesn't even fully finish developing until around age 25. The idea that even the majority of people have their lives figured out two full years before they've even fully finished developing into an adult is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Same lol. I'm 25, starting over in every aspect of my life and this just made me feel so guilty and anxious
37:30
"something inside me snaps"
idk who needs to hear this, but abusers _do not_ "just snap". notice how they typically only "snap" when it comes to their victims. rarely if ever do you see an abuser "snap" and beat up their boss, or the cashier at the store, or their own grandma. notice how some people who are physically abusive hit their victim in places where bruises aren't easily visible - would they have the wherewithal to do that if they had "just snapped"? likewise, some physically abusive people will stop short of doing something they know will cause serious injury or death. if they had "just snapped," why were they cognizant/lucid enough to do that? notice how they tend to mostly "snap" in private and not in public settings. when they break things, notice how many of them break something of sentimental importance to their victim and rarely, if ever, break something of their own (excluding often replaceable and/or non-sentimental objects like dishes or furniture).
obviously, this isn't the case all the time - some abusers _are_ physically aggressive towards other people, though usually not to the same extent or in the same ways as they are with their victim. in cases where the abuse is visible, they will usually still attempt to cover it up and/or lie about it. some _will_ cause serious injury or do something they know could potentially be fatal. in fact, domestic violence is _very often_ a precursor to murder.
regardless, that _still_ does not mean they "just snapped" or "saw red" or "lost control". it just means they will do what they believe they can _get away with_ in the environment that they're in. they are still in control of their decisions. they could choose to change their behavior.
Yeah, "I just snapped" is something you say after you had enough and verbally went off on someone, or yelled at your friend over something that didn't really merit that big a reaction. You don't "snap" and commit a calculated crime. If you genuinely can't control violent impulses, there is literally no valid reaction other than immediately seeking therapy
these books feel so…empty? like the storylines are so stupidly simple and straight to the point all while being the least resonable most bland ways to reach it. all of the plots sound extremely similar with the mandatory sex scenes. it’s so bad, so bad that i’m willing to bet a wattpad writer would’ve made the sex scenes at least a tad bit more « enjoyable ». the characters feel so bland and devoid of any personal ways of experiencing their very unique situations. i would say it’s a shame that these characters never got fully explored, but i never felt the least bit interested in them so idk…feels like a waste of time tbh im so glad i never picked her books 💀
The first time I watched a video about Reminders of Him I felt like I was going fucking insane because of how much the novel excuses Kenna murdering her boyfriend. The summary calls it a mistake. The characters refer to it as a mistake. The book makes it seem like it's unfair that she can't see her baby whose father she murdered. It's clear that Colleen herself clearly sees intoxicated driving, and one that results in death at that, as a mistake, which is sickening. Even if you go to the Amazon reviews the most top rated review is by someone who has a family member who did the same thing, and phrases it as a sympathetic sob story about how the guy can't see his daughter because he's serving a life sentence for the death he's responsible for.
Intoxicated driving is not a mistake. It is drilled into you your entire life, your entire period of learning to drive, in your driving tests, that you should NEVER drive Intoxicated. People who do so despite all these warnings are selfish people, and deserve every repricussion they get when they kill someone with their negligence. Kenna should never get to be around her daughter. Disgusting. Ledger is a fucking terrible friend, too.
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FÜCKING THANK YOU.
His arm and his pulse are IRRELEVANT. Kenna caused the crash and is only lucky more vehicles weren’t involved
My personal version of hell is one where I'm strapped to a chair and my enemy just reads Colleen Hoover out loud for an eternity
Wait... HAS COLLEEN FINALLY MANAGED TO WRITE A (1) LIKEABLE CHARACHTER? LIKEABLE LOVE INTEREST EVEN?? INCREDIBLE! (I'm talking about Atlas btw lol)
He'd be likeable if he wasn't 18 tbh, idk why they had to put that age gap in
@@Lemoncakelover678he's 18 in Lily's memories tho, he's 26 in the present and she's like 23
@@MikuVocaloidHDso she was 15 when they had sex 💀
@@creepypawstaaits the most probable thing in her books you gotta give her that
@@creepypawstaayeah, he asked her when was her 16's bday when they first kissed so i assume it was at this age😭
The last person named Ryle that I met tried to convince me to join the Illuminati and sent me voodoo spells 💀
Hes so real for that 🥰
😂🤣
least problematic ryle
You met a dude named Ryle? That's an actual name???
@@SydneyStewart-d3f yes sadly 😭 I swear anyone named Ryle is a Harvard social experiment
It ends with us always rubbed me the wrong way because I had an ex who used past SA to justify doing what I now realize was SA to me. Past trauma is never an excuse to abuse someone. They know what they're doing.
november 9 shocked me to my core i truly can't comprehend that ben is a character she wrote and put out there
so basically we have THREE books where the big plot twist comes from a key element of a tragic backstory revealed by one the main character's writings? and two of said writings are "letters" to someone out of reach?
that these books are bestsellers and liked by many is for me sad and impressive at the same time.
Colleen Hoover builds chemistry between her leads by abducting the audience and forcing them to know how horny they are for each other through inner monologues. Like damn Colleen, can you let us see them talk to each other, and we make our own conclusion about it and pick up on the signals for ourselves.
She can't let her characters have more options or everyone will see how little the MC loses from not interacting with the other protagonist. Her sex scenes must be really well written or something because the actual romance part makes it hard to understand how she became a romance writer at all. She seems better at thrillers.
They're not, they're written with very violent ways of wording "penetration" and in some of her books like "Too Late" a good chunk of the "sex scenes" are just rape
Lily Bloom Blossom is the preppy flower version of Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven
you are SO correct
fell asleep rewatching your other c*lleen h**ver video and being sad that you didn't talk about the stupid abuse books or the silly fire book and then woke up to this video.... it's a halloween miracle.
PFFF THE CENSORSHIP
Perfect books to read this Halloween if you want to experience some horror
this needs more likes 😂
LETS GOOOO. perfect way to fall asleep tonight thank you so much nikki for your sacrifice of reading more colleen hoover it was not made in vain
did infact not fall asleep and watched the whole thing. it is 4am. happy halloween!! :3
@@bjork8000i felt that so hard LMAO
@@bjork8000you good? 😭
I have no idea how Colleen Hoover became so successful, when all of her books are pretty much the same "Abusive/ pervert/ controllic bf" and “the insecure & inexperienced” girl who is just there to please the man like wtf how do people enjoy this? Like most of her books are so illogical and so oversexualized.
25:49 a better idea for a “twiSted flower shop” would’ve been to grow the flowers from various skulls. Which some people actually do and it looks neat.
Even if you are to live in a building as a filthy rich couple, it’s gonna be the penthouse…not the ground floor.
THEY LIVED IN THE GROUND FLOOR😭😭WTF
omg the No Weenies Allowed sign isn’t backwards anymore ❤️
also thank u Nikki for reading these airport convenience store ass novels so I never have to ❤️
So glad you talk about this lady. Because I want to be an author with everything in me. And if she can become popular, then my work is like genius in comparison
also I feel like Colleen might change the genre of her books one day. especially after all the backlash she’s gotten for her badly written romance novels. She might start actually writing horror/thriller novels. And the day she does is the day i’ll pick up one of her books.
edit: i keep coming back to this video and your other colleen video when i have nothing to watch lol. please more bad book reviews. love you nikki
The thing thats getting me is how Colleen Hoover isnt writing the stalking, swearing, throwing cups, and pressuring for sex as abusive, when all of those things are abusive in the setting of the book. If your partner is loosing their temper and throwing stuff, or someone continuously asks you out when oyu reject them, you should not be concidering a relationship with them. Its not cute, which is what it feels like its written as in the book. And every goodreads review ive read writes it as, "Lily and Ryle have a cute first meeting-" NO THEY DIDNT!!! SHUT UUUUP!
Colleen writes as if she thinks abuse can only be physical.
i also think that 'it ends with us' could have been better if it had ~unreliable narration~ but. it doesnt. its just how the character is. she genuinly sees nothing wrong with a guy stalking her or pressuring her into sex. and she genuinly sees nothing wrong with the sisters double standards.
Idk if i should be mad at the people that buy and read this stuff or that the proofreader didn't tell her "this ain't it chief...."?
Both. Both is good.
Love that you’re still showcasing your life size Ryan like a true Gosler
there are so many red flags about ryle, I have no clue how lily gave him a chance
I bought it ends with us on a whim bc I liked the title, read the first few pages where they introduce Ryle (idk how to spell it) and thought he sounded awful and abusive from the first second when he was booting the chairs and telling her what to do. I literally returned the book the next day LMAO 💀Glad to know I was right about him and to give up on that book.
I love your life-sized Ryan Gosling cardboard cutout
life sized lol how big do you think ryan gosling is
november 9th is my birthday. its terrifying to think that on my birthday those godawful interactions were happening
I am so sorry😭😭
its my friend and my dad's birthday i feel for you all
A book that does that correctly is “The way I used to be” by Amber Smith it covers the dark sides of abuse and how it can change someone
I'm going to the library this afternoon. Since I'm a sucker for romance I filtered all the romance book they have so I know what I can read once there... There was almost only Collen Hoover books. I'm not too familiar with her, I just read the synopsis and though "Yep, that's gonna suck, that's not for me". For the 3 to 4 books I opened. Your videos are weirdly very useful and relevant to my life as a student.
Dark purple roses exist????? I don't have a ton of experience in floriculture but out of every niche kind of bouquet request I've ever learned I've never seen steampunk as a request lmao (and I've made a nikki minaj themed wreath)
They just colour the rosea
10:28 - 11:05
Okay, I lowkey wanna see a “BDSM flower store” as some weird, avante garde temporary art installation😂
You could say that Ryle got... riled up 👀
I'll see myself out
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Tell it to the judge