How to Write a Colleen Hoover Book Step 1: Have the mother d*e. Step 2: Write a main character (weird name) with no personality and no backbone. Step 3: Write a love interest (also weird name) with no manners and ab*sive behavior patterns. Step 4: Characters must be infatuated with each and other AND have to make out at first meeting. Step 5: Write really good plot lines, but never use them. Step 6: Have the female become pregnant (she HAS to keep the baby). Step 7: Name the child after a significant character in the book. And voila! You are now a really bad yet somehow best-selling author!
@@nikkicarreon even like a "I'm not giving this murderer another child" would've worked. Making her female characters become preg is just her excuse to anchor these women to their abusers. But in reality, the #1 cause of death for pregnant women is HOMICIDE.
It’s probably my worst fear besides hurting other people, it makes feel disgusted and the possibility of there being an intruder in my body that I don’t want makes me gag 💀😭
I'm an aunt of 2 kids (13 and 5) that I've helped raise since I was 12. I love them and kids in general, but I also have this fear! I consider it body horror and a major source of my anxiety/panic attacks.
feels very me in middle school when I thought I was gonna become a New York Times best seller and the names of my characters needed to be unique and reflective of their personalities or thematic in some way. Turns out I can still become a New York Times best seller.
@@thilypad557 lol yeah there’s a lot of YA novels that have to have these super unique names and i even have been guilty of doing that in some short stories i’ve written but i took a creative writing class twice in high school & my teacher for that class actually had a published fantasy series (the laughing moon chronicles by todd vanhooser which i mean even _his_ last name is fucking dope) & he taught me so much about writing! personally my biggest strength in writing is the characters i create & a lot of the people who have read the stuff i wrote have told me that they seem like real people and i feel like one of those things is having a regular ass name lmao the only time that you can get away w a super dope unique name is in a fantasy setting but in a realistic setting the characters really don’t need some crazy name, if you give them a name that is fitting (and maybe even common) to the society/culture they’re in, then they’re gonna seem more real. like i’ve never met _anyone_ with the names colleen uses.
also can we maybe talk about how we're just supposed to ignore that this famous authors "auto biography" starts when she meets her husband? Colleen Hoover really doesn't let her Women have lives outside of the love interest
I mean when you write a book and make a character you’re making it the they you want the reader to see so I’m sure her point was to make the reader wonder who her characters were before their tragedies
In the letter she says it’s because her editor told her to, and that’s probably the main reason I like to think the letter’s real. But either way it’s such a shitwank excuse for an autobiography, and the book itself acknowledges that it’s really repetitive and annoying to read so there’s no way other writers would learn how to do antagonistic journaling from that crap ETA I think Alizee and Rachel Oates’ videos explain the part of the letter about antagonistic journaling if you want to torture yourself with more coho nonsense
Colleen disliking fetishes honestly makes everything make sense. These books are full of what feels like represed fetishes, and the main target audience (suburban moms) feels like the ultimate repressed fetish having group
jesus christ i know this is fiction and the characters don’t exist but i’m just imagining how traumatic it would be to be 8 years old at a sleepover with your friends having a blast then the next morning one of your friends is literally fucking dead
Not only that, but being that girl’s twin sister, constantly neglected by your mother, then said mother accuses you of not caring about your best friend fuckin dying before she MURDERS YOU IN A LAKE??? I’m-
it’s so funny for colleen to write a line about not liking kinks but in the same book writes sex scenes including exhibitionism and somnophilia. i know it’s such a small thing to focus on, but i just found it funny EDIT: let’s add cucking to the list
I legit had no idea this book was under the thriller/horror genre. Abuse is so normalized in her writing that I didn't even blink at all the murder, it just seemed like a logical, unsurprising thing to happen in a Colleen Hoover book.
It’s at least mildly concerning to me that two of Colleen Hoover’s books end with men being justified for cheating on their brain damaged partners because brain damage isn’t real ETA oh yeah he also kills them. And gets rewarded for it.
Jeremy insults Verity's friend for being a cheater while he's cheating on his wife. Makes fun of her for having multiple husbands while he gets a second wife (after killing his first wife). bonus, Lowan slut shaming Verity while thirsting for a married man.
this book could have really been a good awareness novel about postpartum psychosis if done right. but like i would rather have the kids survive and verity get help but it could have gone into the thought process and the horrible experience of being out of control of her own thoughts. but colleen literally just wrote a fucking psychopath. edit: she wrote 3 fucking psychopaths.
@@camila1925 yeah that’s definitely true too like i feel like there either shouldn’t have been a romance between whatever tf the main characters name is & jeremy or it shouldn’t have ended successfully for them. there should have been more punishment for them bc they’re just as terrible as verity imo.
this is what i was thinking the whole time!!!!!! my mother advocates for postpartum depression awareness because it's seen as such a taboo topic that no one wants to talk about it without realizing it comes with NUANCE. when you hear *real* stories about mothers burning their babies alive, it's likely they did that because of untreated postpartum psychosis (again, there's nuance to this aswell. im not justifying actual baby murderers dw). i'm 17 and haven't even had my first kiss yet and even i know it's ridiculous to completely disregard what pregnancy can do to a person mentally. even when the kid IS wanted, postpartum can still happen because of the way our brains are wired. from a psychological point of view, this is all so fascinating. from a logical and moral point of view it's absolutely horrifying though don't get me wrong. anyway i'm gonna cut myself off here before i accidentally write an essay: at the end of the day it's just sad that this is the way this book ended up being published. colleen was SO close to something actually kind of good, aaaaaaand next thing you know she's fucked it all up
@lolitaverse people need to understand that pregnancy comes with TONS of hormones and does so much more than "there's just a baby growing in there now ig 🤷". like why do they think morning sickness happens?? why periods can make people with uteruses so moody?? there are physical AND mental changes happening that just get even more heightened during and after pregnancy. add untreated mental illness into the mix and suddenly we've got absolute hell in front of us if left unaddressed!!!
What pisses me off even more, is that in "It Ends with Us", the abuser is given a chance to be in his daughter's life. So it implies he can be a bad husband but a good father which isn't true, and it's an awful misogynistic lie to let abusive men manipulate children into hating their mothers. But in Verity's case? UMMM Coleen wtf
My favourite thing is that Verity is supposed to be this great writer, but Colleen Hoover is not a good enough writer to pull it off so Verity's parts are always just not written well.
It took me half this episode to realize Crew is the name of their son and not that there was a crew helping Jeremy take down the deck who just....stuck around I guess
hot girls have ibs also: yes, you can’t have sex for at least six weeks after childbirth whether it’s a c section or not. birth is a lot more traumatic than most people seem to expect.
That's one of the many things that bothered me, too. Like I understand Verity wanted to be desired and sought physical affection, but did she just ignore her own active body pain??
@@sumlem This (among other things) fuels my conspiracy theory that Colleen Hoover books aren’t written by a woman at all, and that she is just a face for a male ghost writer. I can’t believe a mother, or any woman at all, has written these books.
@kaylahaas my conspiracy theory is similar but different. Something about interesting plot points and mysteries being dropped or things that would traumatize someone like watching someone being pancaked by a car?!?! and how quick her publishing turn-arounds are give me "I'm a writer (with the help of ChatGPT or some other writing AI)" I just assume she actually heavily edits some sections of whatever the AI spits out.
i also hate how the women in her books seem to never communicate with their husbands ever? she was doing this pretty traumatic project as a "creative exercise," using it to grieve over her kids deaths, and never even brought it up once?
it felt so much to me like Verity covering her tracks and lying more than anything else to me, especially lowen at the end dying “huh? is it true!? is not not true?” made me not care at all lol
we need a phrase like "chekhov's gun" for colleen like colleen's backstory: if it's mentioned in the story, it is guaranteed to never come up in a meaningful way again
I think it could be classified under red herring but maybe it could be a sub-trope like “Hoover’s Info: It came up in the story once, but was never elaborated on.” It could make for a good trope, since there’s a lot of examples of it in media already.
I've watched so many reviews of this book and a lesser-mentioned gripe is this: Why isn't Lowen doing her job? Why does Jeremy never notice she's not doing her job? A story about a writer taking over another writer's series and slowly taking over the rest of her life in the process is such a good idea but the writing work isn't a part of the plot at all, to the point it's not even mentioned past the opening. I keep thinking about how much better the story would've been if Lowen was uncovering the dark side of Verity's life through a novel of hers rather than an autobiography. Imagine she goes to the house of a woman whose daughters died under mysterious circumstances and then finds a never-before-seen novel manuscript about a fictional woman killing her fictional daughters in ways that are just slightly too familiar. It would have made Verity’s novels relevant to the plot AND made Lowen’s doubt about its reality make sense. What kind of criminal confessing in a manuscript OR writer doing an antagonistic exercise wouldn’t change the names anyway?
I headcanon that Verity did, in fact, tell Jeremy that she was doing antagonistic journaling and told him what that meant, but he didn't bother paying attention to what she was talking about
This book is proof to me that Colleen Hoover cannot write a thriller/horror novel either. And I didn't like how people made the assumption she could because she wrote creepy stuff. I mean it was creepy only because why anyone would think of underage sex, teen(/forced?) pregnancy and incest this much but it wasn't... thriller creepy or anything. idk I'm a big fan of thrillers and horror books though of course I'm no expert and this is only my opinion but this one is awful if not one of her worst books and it says something.
Colleen can not write thriller/horror in my opinion too. Because i find her writing really meh. Like people read her book and feel disgusted by the really unhinged shits she put in, not by how good she write the contents.
I think she can write good thrillers and drama books when she doesn't want to. I still can't get the "Layla" plot out of my head, simply because it should be considered as a supernatural thriller
She can't write them because she doesn't have the practice in the genre, and she's still leaning on romance. She's just not a good writer, but the quality of the book is better than a lot of her others. If she shifted to horror/thriller, it would suit her better. That's what I mean, at least. Not that she would make good books just cause she switched genre
@@smilesface3741this! She has a very simplistic and horrid writing in my opinion plus makes genuine typos and grammatical mistakes I shouldn't find in a best selling book. I'm a not native English speaking guy myself but still find it odd to have books like that having errors of the sort.
@@flutterg1035that's valid but then it's odd all the privileges she was granted while a lot of bipoc and queer writers have to wait on the sideline. Not that she don't belong in the industry but to me she shouldn't have the privilege to "learn" while publishing best selling books. In my opinion at least.
Imma be real with you chief, i put this on at night thinking it would just be a silly little commentary to fall asleep to but the description of Verity turning her head and looking at the MC or randomly showing up despite supposedly being in bed freaked me out so badly that now it is 1:30am and I am wide awake, scared and i had to put on the hallway light to feel safe. I’m an adult man living on my own 💀 imma give CoHo so much, she freaked me the fuck out with all of that. Never been so fucking terrified of a fictional character. Man idec about Jeremy, the whole Verity storyline hooked me and messed with my sanity AND my sleep
Bruh like for real, me too. And I'm living with 5 roommates. The thought of someone who is supposed to be paralyzed just... randomly appears and stares at you while no one else experience the same... That f*cked!
It’s wild how it’s so consistent that it can’t even be a fun little fake-out. I love when authors generally bring up back story that’ll become important later, but in horror especially, it can be fun to feel like something foreboding is important, and then it’s innocuous, but she does this so often I know she’s just bad at tying loose ends and isn’t doing it in a purposeful way
it’s so funny for colleen to write a line about not liking kinks but in the same book writes sex scenes including exhibitionism and somnophilia. i know it’s such a small thing to focus on, but i just found it funny
A tip from my mom who's a nurse: if you want to test if someone's really unconscious or faking, lift their arm up and drop their arm over their face. Apparently, humans have an insinctual reaction to this and will try to prevent being hit, on top of the fact that it's very hard to make your arm realistically fall limp like an unconscious person's would. Was reminded of this during the whole story because there's no way April didn't know something was up.
Right! I feel like no one else talked about the literal certified NURSE living with Verity (Or however tf you spell her name). Like, there's just no possible way April didn't see or notice SOMETHING weird with Verity throughout the whole time she was taking care of the 'brain-dead' wife. Like..wtf?
Im a person with autism even if the kid has autism you are still supposed to be affectionate, so they have a healthy baseline of what a healthy relationship looks like
Before, I thought the obvious ending with Verity being innocent was right. If she drove herself into the tree, why would she even need to pretend to be incapacitated, why wouldn’t she kill Lowen since she is portrayed as such a jealous person that she couldn’t stand Jeremy giving attention to her own kids, how could she stand him giving love to another woman? She loves Jeremy so much, why would she write this and risk exposing herself? If she’s so cunning and manipulative, why would she ever write a story that would get her put into prison for murder? Even if Verity did do it, how could Jeremy so easily kill his wife without even asking questions. Who is Verity even writing the letter for? If she was trying to get the police to take her side why didn’t she call them, and as I said, if Jeremy didn’t see the manuscript there’s no reason she couldn’t tell him herself, because he’d have no proof. The way Verity’s acting makes no sense if she isn’t scared for her life, specially since she doesn’t even need to wait for the money from the rest of her books and can just write them herself. As you said tho, even Verity’s perspective makes no sense and is borderline cartoonish. The real problem is Colleen Hoover didn’t even know the right end to her story and tried having it both ways. I mean, you can make it ambiguous without it being nonsensical. In the end, it just ends up being a story full of plot holes with no right answer because both answers are stupid.
it will never sit right with me that lowen is disturbed and feels unsafe in the same house as verity just from reading her description of pre (and later, post) partum depression. like, what verity writes about her feelings during pregnancy are real feelings that people actually go through. feelings that are already heavily stigmatized in real life. this is a woman who was suffering to the point of self harm, and needed help. but that alone, before she even harms her children (or, writes about hypothetically harming her children, depending on what you believe) is enough for the main character to feel uneasy. its the demonization of mental illness for me. also, between how verity's pre / post partum depression and her attempts to induce miscarriage are potrayed and the whole deal with the parents in ugly love, i get a lowkey prolife vibe from colleen. don't love it.
Im a hundred percent sure shes prolife. There was never a discussion of abortion as an option in any of her books whenever the couple are dealing with a complicated pregnancy. It worries me that Colleen worked as a social worker before she became a writer when she has such invalidating toxic views towards therapy and mental illness. Imagine the number of clients she may have harmed during her work.
Hi I’m only 15 so I don’t know much but is the visions, fantasies and attempts of murdering her children a common feature of pre/post partum depression?
@@makar1pe yes, actually. it's rare, but having thoughts about harming yourself or your baby are actually possible symptoms of post partum depression. as is extreme irritability and anger, extreme difficulty bonding with / having positive feelings for your baby, extreme body dysmorphia (particularly w/ the way your body has changed with pregnancy), et cetera. aka everything verity goes through which is depicted as an immediate sign of her inherent evil. google is free
@@makar1peActual attempts are rare. But many, many women have intrusive thoughts after pregnancy. It’s almost a form of temporary OCD and can involve fears that you’re going to hurt your child against your will.
@@bayoumuddahyes, people have feelings 🥺🥺 we all feel so comfortable and safe reading creepily described sex scenes, forced pregnancy and child abuse 🥺😔😔 we're so human and cute!!!! Only robots will have problems with writers like Colleen hoover 😏😏😏😏
@@bayoumuddah Excluding the fact that not even robots think the same since it depends of what they're programmed for, something can be objectively bad.
Being pregnant doesn’t scare me as much, but physically giving birth is a HUGE phobia of mine. I don’t think I could physically go through that. But i feel better about it knowing i’m not the only one
just the fact that this girlie took up a deal to finish a book series by a popular author instantly without thinking about it WITHOUT BEING FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF HER WORK AT ALL??? Like actually genuinely what?!
@@vanovasmith9586 she didnt get the authors attention, jemery later tells her he lied about his wife reading her book, he read it and he thought it was good.
This is the only Colleen Hoover book I’ve ever read. I picked it because I usually read horror and thrillers, not romance, so it appealed to me more than any of the others. Thriller and horror ARE kind of different things, though... I see horror as more of a subject thing while thriller is more of a suspense thing, maybe? Verity seemed to be trying to be a thriller, but I wouldn’t really call it horror. The headboard-biting was definitely horrifying, though. My jaw hurts just thinking about that. I’ve been told Verity is a Rebecca retelling, so I read that book afterwards and yes, it I’d say that it is a loose retelling. So if you’re like me and thought the premise was somewhat interesting but hated everything else about Verity, I’d recommend Rebecca by Daphne DeMaurier. It’s much better.
Colleen has the same mindset as the slasher movie directors. She thinks that any woman who wants sex is a bad person who deserves to die horrifically but it’s fine when a man does the same thing (and nobody can even say that Verity is evil either because she’s mentally ill and she didn’t even hurt anyone, just writing about her intrusive thoughts on a notebook. In fact, it would make more sense if Jeremy was the one framing Verity to trick Loewen into helping him kill Verity, only for Loewen to realize when it’s too late that Verity was innocent when she found out in the end that Jeremy and “Verity” in a notebook have the same handwriting).
Verity is the only Hoover book I’ve read, so I can’t speak for her others, but that’s not what I got from it at all. She wasn’t a bad person because of the nympho thing, it was because she was a self-centered psychopath who k!led her own kid... Sorry, but I didn’t believe the letter as the truth for an instant, it was such a cheap last minute plot device that made no sense.
1:50 I just started the video and I’m already LOSING IT because when you said “dumptruck” my mind immediately thought of a guy getting hit with a phat ass and dying💀💀💀
This book really could have been super good if it was written by someone else. There's so many good ideas in here. I actually like the incident with the sleep walking incident, its got that paranormal activity vibe and I think a more unreasonable parent would have taken that as a sign that a kid was dangerous, but we needed more build up if the mom being unreasonable or selfish. That way it would really make sense that instead of being concerned for her daughter hurting herself she'd be concerned for herself. More of the mom treating her differently even in the day after that. And man, more sleep walking content that more the mc gets stressed out.
I love the sleepwalking concept, I was so disappointed when it ultimately went nowhere, there was potential for gaslighting there and a chance for more paranormal elements perhaps, such a waste!
I had the idea of Lowen imagining what was written in the manuscript and that it was blank all along. Like she created all these stories in her head and it would just spiral out of control.
@@shamblingabby Quite possibly! If anything, it would be a good way to have Lowen be an unreliable narrator type of person. She'd try to show Jeremy the manuscript, only for it to be blank, and it would just devolve from there.
This is the first and last Colleen Hoover book I’ve read. This book had so much potential. I never bought Jeremy as a real romantic partner potential. I thought he was weird and creepy the entire time so much so I thought it was going to turn out that he was the author of the manuscript. But apparently this just the kind of guy Colleen is into
verity rights herself as the definition of a toxic boy mom... like, she does not care AT ALL for these girls at first (until the nightmare) but she loves and saves crew...
I'm so excited you uploaded on my birthday. My mom read this for a bookclub and I remember her acting so pissed off with the book when she finished it. She was too polite to call it bad but never said anything good about it either lol.
Why is their meet-cute so weird? It wouldnt make the book good, but what if Jeremy and Lowen already had an established relationship? Eg. He's a maintenance guy in her apartment building. Due to the place being old, he goes there quite often and Lowen develops a crush on him with them being friendly with each other. One day she greets him when she's leaving, but slips on the stairs and hurt her leg or smt. Jeremy rushes to help her, takes her to her apartment and bangages her injury up. Lowen wants to ask him out but sees his hands without gloves for the first time and realizes he's married so she leaves him be. I'm not a writer but this feels a bit more natural imo.
For half of this I thought that maybe Jeremy is a real author of this autobiography and uses it as some kind of black mail. Like he doesn't want his family name to be ruined so he doesn't put Verity in jail immediately but has this little life belt for the future. But no, the plot is straight and flat like a plank
Oh god the pain, the unimaginable pain :') My aunt got it two times (1° when she had an surgery and second when she gave birth) and she had a lot of limitation to what she physically could do, and she even had to spend some time with us due to not being able to climb the stairs of her house, thankfully she recovered well both times
The fact that my body is capable of making a baby actually repulses and terrifies me. It feeds into my already strong identity issues. Like, I’m feeling uncomfortable typing this- Wasn’t ready for all that-
Can we say how terrible it is that she describes very real body dysphoric feelings that women have when experiencing pregnancy and decides to villainize them by giving them "ooky spooky evil lady" vibes "darkness ahead"? Gimme a break
Hiya! Quick tip for noticing when you mess up: if you clap every time you make a mistake in the video, when you edit you’ll see the audio queues! xx There are a couple times where you repeat yourself and start another take in the same breath haha. Otherwise I absolutely loved the video!! So engaging and fun, I love your sense of humour. Please do more like these girly
this was terrifying and awful. a more believable ending would've been that jeremy wrote the manuscript framing her when he's the one who committed those crimes? idk just terrifying
This book and all CoHo books give me the major ick as a DV suvivor. She romanticizes the hell out of abuse and violently toxic relationships. Which is honestly disturbing.
I can’t wait to see your reaction on “Maybe Not”. The protagonist of that book, Warren, will make Ben from November 9 look like a good ol’ Uncle Ben Parker from Spider-Man.
@@nont18411He's like if you mix the man child trope with the creepy stalker trope in a blender and it explodes to be the most nastiest, stinkiest batch of slop. The fact that were meant to view him as funny and rootable is laughable
@@Lemoncakelover678 At least Ben felt guilty for what he did (still not guilty enough to, you know, turn himself in. The bar is in hell here). Warren just straight up never thought of himself of being in the wrong like ever. The worst part is that he keeps raping Bridget knowing that she got raped by her uncle. I took my word back. The actual worst part is that Colleen’s target audience are impressionable young people. The boys will think sexual assault is a good thing while the girls will be conditioned not to defend themselves in this situation.
@@nont18411exactly. If her books where dark romances targeted at older audience, that would be one thing (still disgusting), but to a younger audience as typical romance is a whole new level of gross.
everytime i think about being pregnant i think of the scene from breaking dawn part 1 where her back snaps and giving birth kills her until they turn her into a vampire😭😭
@@ambrosia1083 yeah the main character was way too willing to talk shit about her. I have seen other reviews and she legit thinks the most awful shit before anything particularly weird happens
The "They are faking it" is such a common and pretty harmful trope. It but every disabled person under a microscope. I don't how many times I saw the stupid the person in w wheelchair can walk trope. It's like 50 % people in wheelchairs are either not real disabled or just some random non- chara to be keep the plot moving. And the trope is dump to being with. Not everyone in a wheelchair is 100 % unable to walk, to begin with. Some people can't walk far, and using a wheelchair gives them a lot more mobility. But it also paints those people as fakers.
@@DrinzenDrawz Very much. I get how someone could fake to need a wheel chair. But for weeks or month not reacting to anything? The feeding, the washing, people taking to her. Not even couching, or sneezing, not going to the bathroom? Even if one could - who would do it? If she was concerned about her writing and stuff... why didn't she burn it. Or throw it out and lived her live normally after that? That's another point, the reason for faking is so stupid is because no "good" reason exists. That's why in realty no one is going it or even could.
I NEED to watch this by Friday because I literally just found out that my mom is hosting her book club at our house to discuss VERITY LMAO this was perfectly timed thank you
The fact that i just watched the nicole rafiee video reading this book but im gonna watch this whole video still bc every nicki deserves to read me a toxic colleen hoover bedtime story ❤️
the fact that so many people have told me to read this and its one of the most commonly recommended 'dark novels' in this current age is scarier than any horror book i've ever read :'(
How to Write a Colleen Hoover Book
Step 1: Have the mother d*e.
Step 2: Write a main character (weird name) with no personality and no backbone.
Step 3: Write a love interest (also weird name) with no manners and ab*sive behavior patterns.
Step 4: Characters must be infatuated with each and other AND have to make out at first meeting.
Step 5: Write really good plot lines, but never use them.
Step 6: Have the female become pregnant (she HAS to keep the baby).
Step 7: Name the child after a significant character in the book.
And voila! You are now a really bad yet somehow best-selling author!
(She HAS to keep the baby) has me dead lol it’s every damn time
why'd u censor die lol
edit: and abusive
Character has to have a scar or deformity related to a past trauma
@@alicemadness999 wouldnt let me post the comment if i didn’t censor them for some reason😭
@@nikkicarreon even like a "I'm not giving this murderer another child" would've worked. Making her female characters become preg is just her excuse to anchor these women to their abusers. But in reality, the #1 cause of death for pregnant women is HOMICIDE.
Ive never heard another girl talk about their phobia of pregnancy. its so real and so horrifying.
It’s probably my worst fear besides hurting other people, it makes feel disgusted and the possibility of there being an intruder in my body that I don’t want makes me gag 💀😭
@@nikkicarreon same💀
ME TOO
Heyyyy same
I'm an aunt of 2 kids (13 and 5) that I've helped raise since I was 12. I love them and kids in general, but I also have this fear! I consider it body horror and a major source of my anxiety/panic attacks.
colleen hoover just can’t give a single character a regular name can she?
feels very me in middle school when I thought I was gonna become a New York Times best seller and the names of my characters needed to be unique and reflective of their personalities or thematic in some way. Turns out I can still become a New York Times best seller.
I remember her saying in some podcast that she names her men love interests after roads?? Like, road signs she sees while driving💀
@@thilypad557 lol yeah there’s a lot of YA novels that have to have these super unique names and i even have been guilty of doing that in some short stories i’ve written but i took a creative writing class twice in high school & my teacher for that class actually had a published fantasy series (the laughing moon chronicles by todd vanhooser which i mean even _his_ last name is fucking dope) & he taught me so much about writing! personally my biggest strength in writing is the characters i create & a lot of the people who have read the stuff i wrote have told me that they seem like real people and i feel like one of those things is having a regular ass name lmao the only time that you can get away w a super dope unique name is in a fantasy setting but in a realistic setting the characters really don’t need some crazy name, if you give them a name that is fitting (and maybe even common) to the society/culture they’re in, then they’re gonna seem more real. like i’ve never met _anyone_ with the names colleen uses.
@@irondeficientcowboy5014 you can’t be serious 😭😂😂
LMFAO I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
also can we maybe talk about how we're just supposed to ignore that this famous authors "auto biography" starts when she meets her husband? Colleen Hoover really doesn't let her Women have lives outside of the love interest
For real. I have no idea who Verity was before she met Germs
I mean when you write a book and make a character you’re making it the they you want the reader to see so I’m sure her point was to make the reader wonder who her characters were before their tragedies
@@blake6357 I think you're giving her too much credit there but if it makes you feel better
In the letter she says it’s because her editor told her to, and that’s probably the main reason I like to think the letter’s real. But either way it’s such a shitwank excuse for an autobiography, and the book itself acknowledges that it’s really repetitive and annoying to read so there’s no way other writers would learn how to do antagonistic journaling from that crap
ETA I think Alizee and Rachel Oates’ videos explain the part of the letter about antagonistic journaling if you want to torture yourself with more coho nonsense
“Because everyone knows the meaning of Christmas is husband” a snl quote that lives rent free. Colleen believes this.
the boy mom projecting out of verity when she’s insecure about jeremy loving his daughters more than her is insane
Ikrrr
One of her sons is a rapest after all
Girl needed serious help and Coleen treats it like a joke 😢
Verity seems like she was having some post-natal depression and desperately needed psychological help, and no one cared to provide that for her
its such a shame colleen shows that shes capable of writing interesting characters like this but her main characters are always so bland
Colleen disliking fetishes honestly makes everything make sense. These books are full of what feels like represed fetishes, and the main target audience (suburban moms) feels like the ultimate repressed fetish having group
colleen really said "choking is sick and twisted but everyone loves a good incest plotline"
colleen really said “choking is sick and twisted but everyone loves a good incest plotline”
colleen really said "choking is sick and twisted but everyone loves a good incest plotline"
colleen really said "choking is sick and twisted but everyone really loves a good incest plotline"
Wtf are these spammers chanting in the union?
jesus christ i know this is fiction and the characters don’t exist but i’m just imagining how traumatic it would be to be 8 years old at a sleepover with your friends having a blast then the next morning one of your friends is literally fucking dead
@@eat_buttons well she wasn’t playing like she was dead she was just pretending to be in a non responsive state but still alive
@@ashegrey3042I think they meant pretending to be brain dead
Not only that, but being that girl’s twin sister, constantly neglected by your mother, then said mother accuses you of not caring about your best friend fuckin dying before she MURDERS YOU IN A LAKE??? I’m-
@@thepersonwiththepanels5351 yeah this is all around fucked up like i’m feeling so bad for these fictional children
Or your mother accusing you of killing your sister
it’s so funny for colleen to write a line about not liking kinks but in the same book writes sex scenes including exhibitionism and somnophilia. i know it’s such a small thing to focus on, but i just found it funny
EDIT: let’s add cucking to the list
literally half of her books are NTR 😭😭😭
@@saher9899Facts she's the worst female NTR offender lmao
@@saher9899HELP
Similar yikes. Worse than both Mormon Stephanie Meyer of Twilight Fame and her UK adult contemporary counterpart E.L. James of 50 Shades fame.
@@saher9899 my god, I agree!
I legit had no idea this book was under the thriller/horror genre. Abuse is so normalized in her writing that I didn't even blink at all the murder, it just seemed like a logical, unsurprising thing to happen in a Colleen Hoover book.
and the amount of bad sex scenes and misogynistic takes didn't help either 💀
Well Colleen already has another book where there’s a bed ridden mother with a husband who goes out cheats on her in the same house they live in!!
@@littleguy8714 what is the name of the book?
@@mhyy777 "without merit" i guess
For real though like I thought it was just one of her romance books 💀💀💀💀
It’s at least mildly concerning to me that two of Colleen Hoover’s books end with men being justified for cheating on their brain damaged partners because brain damage isn’t real
ETA oh yeah he also kills them. And gets rewarded for it.
Yeah like even if she wasn't actually brain damaged, he still cheated on her especially when he assumed she was. It's still disgusting
AND MURDERING HER? the main character literally says that parents SHOULD do that?????? i’m sorry????
@@ashegrey3042then he murdered an innocent woman in the epilogue just because she saw their house like are you sure he told the truth about Verity?
@@ashegrey3042 LITERALLY like Layla ends with Leeds murdering his severely mentally ill technically-not-girlfriend too, it’s such a concerning pattern
@tealover1182 Hoover confirmed Verity was evil, so that removes the open ending from the book. Arguably the only interesting part about it.
i’m sorry but the line “i’m not gonna give you an orgasm in a steak and shake” has me HOLLERING 😂😂
got u hoovering 😔
@@minnie_malism you’re so lucky i have a terrible sense of humor bc i loved that joke 😭😂
Yea put that on my tombstone bro
It kills me that he’s like I’ll f*nger you in the steak and shake but an orgasm is where I draw the line 😭😭😭
I choked on my water 😭
"I cant explain the mind of a writer to you jeremy" 🥀✒️
You just wouldn’t get it 😝
I can’t explain why, but that quote has the same vibes as “this is the skin of a killer, Bella” lol
i read this comment literally at the same time nikki was saying that line 😭
@@nikkicarreonyou’re my best friend I really like you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@nikkicarreonyou’re very pretty
Jeremy insults Verity's friend for being a cheater while he's cheating on his wife. Makes fun of her for having multiple husbands while he gets a second wife (after killing his first wife). bonus, Lowan slut shaming Verity while thirsting for a married man.
Really just explains how fucked up her characters are.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Ikrr...I hate both Jeremy and Lowen
i hate Lowen so much.
And Verity is the “villain.”
This book is so ableist especially with the implications against the characters autistic daughter. As an autistic person I am appalled.
Ikr? and the use of an outdated term is the icing on the cake
@@sneakysnek572 for real! That term- Asperger’s- is so outdated it’s insane she (Coleen) clearly didn’t do her research
same. it’s appalling how much she disregarded us.
REALEST ALSO WHY DID THEY USE THE TERM ASPBERGERS LIKE HELLO⁉️
I'm so appalled. Spalding Ball. Gargling on Ryan Gosling's balls.
this book could have really been a good awareness novel about postpartum psychosis if done right. but like i would rather have the kids survive and verity get help but it could have gone into the thought process and the horrible experience of being out of control of her own thoughts. but colleen literally just wrote a fucking psychopath.
edit: she wrote 3 fucking psychopaths.
It would still be a good novel if she didn’t romanticize the psychopaths tho
@@camila1925 yeah that’s definitely true too like i feel like there either shouldn’t have been a romance between whatever tf the main characters name is & jeremy or it shouldn’t have ended successfully for them. there should have been more punishment for them bc they’re just as terrible as verity imo.
this is what i was thinking the whole time!!!!!! my mother advocates for postpartum depression awareness because it's seen as such a taboo topic that no one wants to talk about it without realizing it comes with NUANCE. when you hear *real* stories about mothers burning their babies alive, it's likely they did that because of untreated postpartum psychosis (again, there's nuance to this aswell. im not justifying actual baby murderers dw).
i'm 17 and haven't even had my first kiss yet and even i know it's ridiculous to completely disregard what pregnancy can do to a person mentally. even when the kid IS wanted, postpartum can still happen because of the way our brains are wired.
from a psychological point of view, this is all so fascinating. from a logical and moral point of view it's absolutely horrifying though don't get me wrong. anyway i'm gonna cut myself off here before i accidentally write an essay: at the end of the day it's just sad that this is the way this book ended up being published. colleen was SO close to something actually kind of good, aaaaaaand next thing you know she's fucked it all up
@lolitaverse people need to understand that pregnancy comes with TONS of hormones and does so much more than "there's just a baby growing in there now ig 🤷". like why do they think morning sickness happens?? why periods can make people with uteruses so moody?? there are physical AND mental changes happening that just get even more heightened during and after pregnancy. add untreated mental illness into the mix and suddenly we've got absolute hell in front of us if left unaddressed!!!
What pisses me off even more, is that in "It Ends with Us", the abuser is given a chance to be in his daughter's life. So it implies he can be a bad husband but a good father which isn't true, and it's an awful misogynistic lie to let abusive men manipulate children into hating their mothers. But in Verity's case? UMMM Coleen wtf
Lohan is also the only witness to Jeremy murdering Verity. Being trapped with a murderer who knows you're a liability is terrifying
lowen lol
Loawen
Johan
Joe rogan
Fr Jeramy could have gone all Coriolanus snow on her “ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME LUCY GRAY?”
My favourite thing is that Verity is supposed to be this great writer, but Colleen Hoover is not a good enough writer to pull it off so Verity's parts are always just not written well.
It's so funny. She did the exact same thing with bEnToN jAmEs kEssLeR
It's like how they say that you can't write someone smarter than you
It took me half this episode to realize Crew is the name of their son and not that there was a crew helping Jeremy take down the deck who just....stuck around I guess
Literally same omg
LMFAO
Same, when she said crew was waving towards the window. I just pictured a construction worker stopping to give a wave.
Girl the names make me so lost
Idk why but I read that as "makes me so hot"
i’d love u to do more bad book reviews not just colleen. i live for these 😭🫶🏻
Already on it ❤️
yess omg
@@nikkicarreonthanks girly pop queen
@@nikkicarreonYESSSSS
@@nikkicarreondoing gods work😌
hot girls have ibs
also: yes, you can’t have sex for at least six weeks after childbirth whether it’s a c section or not. birth is a lot more traumatic than most people seem to expect.
That's one of the many things that bothered me, too. Like I understand Verity wanted to be desired and sought physical affection, but did she just ignore her own active body pain??
@@sumlem This (among other things) fuels my conspiracy theory that Colleen Hoover books aren’t written by a woman at all, and that she is just a face for a male ghost writer. I can’t believe a mother, or any woman at all, has written these books.
@@kaylahaasi 100% believe she wrote this shit she gives off white middle aged pro-life boy mom no spine vibes all the way
@@kaylahaasAlso she was a social worker!! How can she normalise and romanticise abuse, violence and dysfunctional family dynamics in her books.
@kaylahaas my conspiracy theory is similar but different. Something about interesting plot points and mysteries being dropped or things that would traumatize someone like watching someone being pancaked by a car?!?! and how quick her publishing turn-arounds are give me "I'm a writer (with the help of ChatGPT or some other writing AI)" I just assume she actually heavily edits some sections of whatever the AI spits out.
The fact that I was in a children’s hospital for my brother’s surgery and multiple nurses reccomended me this book to read on my kindle is insane
this is really random but I hope you’re brother is okay
I was recommended this book by a co-worker after talking about a murder podcast I just listened to.
Also hope you're brother is well soon
that ending was on par with the "it was all a dream" trope. ive never been so dissatisfied with a book that had a little going for it.
i also hate how the women in her books seem to never communicate with their husbands ever? she was doing this pretty traumatic project as a "creative exercise," using it to grieve over her kids deaths, and never even brought it up once?
it felt so much to me like Verity covering her tracks and lying more than anything else to me, especially lowen at the end dying “huh? is it true!? is not not true?” made me not care at all lol
And Verity has no legs
we need a phrase like "chekhov's gun" for colleen like
colleen's backstory: if it's mentioned in the story, it is guaranteed to never come up in a meaningful way again
Hoover's gun. It's just broken wall decoration
In Hoover’s story, Chekhov just forgot his gun
I think it could be classified under red herring but maybe it could be a sub-trope like “Hoover’s Info: It came up in the story once, but was never elaborated on.” It could make for a good trope, since there’s a lot of examples of it in media already.
Hoover's display gun/ Hoover's display: A piece of intriguing information that is proudly displayed before being promptly forgot about and ignored
Hoover's window.
I've watched so many reviews of this book and a lesser-mentioned gripe is this: Why isn't Lowen doing her job? Why does Jeremy never notice she's not doing her job? A story about a writer taking over another writer's series and slowly taking over the rest of her life in the process is such a good idea but the writing work isn't a part of the plot at all, to the point it's not even mentioned past the opening.
I keep thinking about how much better the story would've been if Lowen was uncovering the dark side of Verity's life through a novel of hers rather than an autobiography. Imagine she goes to the house of a woman whose daughters died under mysterious circumstances and then finds a never-before-seen novel manuscript about a fictional woman killing her fictional daughters in ways that are just slightly too familiar. It would have made Verity’s novels relevant to the plot AND made Lowen’s doubt about its reality make sense. What kind of criminal confessing in a manuscript OR writer doing an antagonistic exercise wouldn’t change the names anyway?
Yes but you unlike coho have a brain
I was looking for this comment
exactly
That was a literal rollercoaster. I felt awful and disappointed. So much wasted potential to be a decent book and the sex parts were so uncomfortable.
Yeah it needs more focus on the mystery and less on the smut
The sex scenes weren’t even necessary for the plot
@@crufflepuff2884exactly like you might as well just make an erotica. Hell, many of Colleens books could've just been eroticas
@@crufflepuff2884 yep, i agree. Cant she just give us a full thriller story 🤦 we dont need smut.
@@Lemoncakelover678 true
I headcanon that Verity did, in fact, tell Jeremy that she was doing antagonistic journaling and told him what that meant, but he didn't bother paying attention to what she was talking about
Typical neglectful husband behavior
That sounds pretty canon to me
This book is proof to me that Colleen Hoover cannot write a thriller/horror novel either. And I didn't like how people made the assumption she could because she wrote creepy stuff. I mean it was creepy only because why anyone would think of underage sex, teen(/forced?) pregnancy and incest this much but it wasn't... thriller creepy or anything. idk I'm a big fan of thrillers and horror books though of course I'm no expert and this is only my opinion but this one is awful if not one of her worst books and it says something.
Colleen can not write thriller/horror in my opinion too. Because i find her writing really meh. Like people read her book and feel disgusted by the really unhinged shits she put in, not by how good she write the contents.
I think she can write good thrillers and drama books when she doesn't want to. I still can't get the "Layla" plot out of my head, simply because it should be considered as a supernatural thriller
She can't write them because she doesn't have the practice in the genre, and she's still leaning on romance. She's just not a good writer, but the quality of the book is better than a lot of her others.
If she shifted to horror/thriller, it would suit her better. That's what I mean, at least. Not that she would make good books just cause she switched genre
@@smilesface3741this! She has a very simplistic and horrid writing in my opinion plus makes genuine typos and grammatical mistakes I shouldn't find in a best selling book. I'm a not native English speaking guy myself but still find it odd to have books like that having errors of the sort.
@@flutterg1035that's valid but then it's odd all the privileges she was granted while a lot of bipoc and queer writers have to wait on the sideline. Not that she don't belong in the industry but to me she shouldn't have the privilege to "learn" while publishing best selling books. In my opinion at least.
Jeremy is the clear villain of this book to everyone but Colleen Hoover
Omg yes 😂z
Imma be real with you chief, i put this on at night thinking it would just be a silly little commentary to fall asleep to but the description of Verity turning her head and looking at the MC or randomly showing up despite supposedly being in bed freaked me out so badly that now it is 1:30am and I am wide awake, scared and i had to put on the hallway light to feel safe.
I’m an adult man living on my own 💀 imma give CoHo so much, she freaked me the fuck out with all of that.
Never been so fucking terrified of a fictional character. Man idec about Jeremy, the whole Verity storyline hooked me and messed with my sanity AND my sleep
Lol I’m sorry you got so scared 😭 I hope you get some sleep
literally in the same situation rn… i am terrified
Bruh like for real, me too. And I'm living with 5 roommates. The thought of someone who is supposed to be paralyzed just... randomly appears and stares at you while no one else experience the same... That f*cked!
This is me right now 🥲 it’s 4 am and I’m suffering
Same lol I thought I would fall asleep but started to feel so uneasy and now I need to watch something light to cleanse my palate
“Colleen never actually uses the set-ups that she uses for herself and I don’t know why” it’s coz she’s bad at her job
It’s wild how it’s so consistent that it can’t even be a fun little fake-out. I love when authors generally bring up back story that’ll become important later, but in horror especially, it can be fun to feel like something foreboding is important, and then it’s innocuous, but she does this so often I know she’s just bad at tying loose ends and isn’t doing it in a purposeful way
Fear of pregnancy and not knowing about sex because you listen to radiohead makes you the most relatable person ever
it’s so funny for colleen to write a line about not liking kinks but in the same book writes sex scenes including exhibitionism and somnophilia. i know it’s such a small thing to focus on, but i just found it funny
A tip from my mom who's a nurse: if you want to test if someone's really unconscious or faking, lift their arm up and drop their arm over their face. Apparently, humans have an insinctual reaction to this and will try to prevent being hit, on top of the fact that it's very hard to make your arm realistically fall limp like an unconscious person's would. Was reminded of this during the whole story because there's no way April didn't know something was up.
Right! I feel like no one else talked about the literal certified NURSE living with Verity (Or however tf you spell her name). Like, there's just no possible way April didn't see or notice SOMETHING weird with Verity throughout the whole time she was taking care of the 'brain-dead' wife. Like..wtf?
Remember, everyone, if you want a good version of this story: Rebecca by Daphne Du Maurier ☝️
thank you 🙏
exactly!!
great book!
great book!
WAIT, I SAW THAT BOOK IN THE BOOKSTORE I WENT TO YESTERDAY. IS IT WORTH TO BUY IT???
Im a person with autism
even if the kid has autism you are still supposed to be affectionate, so they have a healthy baseline of what a healthy relationship looks like
Verity did the bite of ‘87, you can’t change my mind
My name is verity 😭😭
💀💀💀
...the LORE!!!!
🤯🤯🤯
@@verieriiobviously wasn’t ab u but ok
Before, I thought the obvious ending with Verity being innocent was right. If she drove herself into the tree, why would she even need to pretend to be incapacitated, why wouldn’t she kill Lowen since she is portrayed as such a jealous person that she couldn’t stand Jeremy giving attention to her own kids, how could she stand him giving love to another woman? She loves Jeremy so much, why would she write this and risk exposing herself? If she’s so cunning and manipulative, why would she ever write a story that would get her put into prison for murder? Even if Verity did do it, how could Jeremy so easily kill his wife without even asking questions. Who is Verity even writing the letter for? If she was trying to get the police to take her side why didn’t she call them, and as I said, if Jeremy didn’t see the manuscript there’s no reason she couldn’t tell him herself, because he’d have no proof. The way Verity’s acting makes no sense if she isn’t scared for her life, specially since she doesn’t even need to wait for the money from the rest of her books and can just write them herself. As you said tho, even Verity’s perspective makes no sense and is borderline cartoonish. The real problem is Colleen Hoover didn’t even know the right end to her story and tried having it both ways. I mean, you can make it ambiguous without it being nonsensical. In the end, it just ends up being a story full of plot holes with no right answer because both answers are stupid.
Unrelated fact about this book: CoHo finished the draft four days before the deadline
@@d_alistair-yearsit's not entirely unrelated because it's obvious the book was rushed to have such blaring plot issues
it will never sit right with me that lowen is disturbed and feels unsafe in the same house as verity just from reading her description of pre (and later, post) partum depression. like, what verity writes about her feelings during pregnancy are real feelings that people actually go through. feelings that are already heavily stigmatized in real life. this is a woman who was suffering to the point of self harm, and needed help. but that alone, before she even harms her children (or, writes about hypothetically harming her children, depending on what you believe) is enough for the main character to feel uneasy. its the demonization of mental illness for me.
also, between how verity's pre / post partum depression and her attempts to induce miscarriage are potrayed and the whole deal with the parents in ugly love, i get a lowkey prolife vibe from colleen. don't love it.
Im a hundred percent sure shes prolife. There was never a discussion of abortion as an option in any of her books whenever the couple are dealing with a complicated pregnancy. It worries me that Colleen worked as a social worker before she became a writer when she has such invalidating toxic views towards therapy and mental illness. Imagine the number of clients she may have harmed during her work.
Hi I’m only 15 so I don’t know much but is the visions, fantasies and attempts of murdering her children a common feature of pre/post partum depression?
@@makar1pe yes, actually. it's rare, but having thoughts about harming yourself or your baby are actually possible symptoms of post partum depression. as is extreme irritability and anger, extreme difficulty bonding with / having positive feelings for your baby, extreme body dysmorphia (particularly w/ the way your body has changed with pregnancy), et cetera. aka everything verity goes through which is depicted as an immediate sign of her inherent evil. google is free
@@makar1peActual attempts are rare. But many, many women have intrusive thoughts after pregnancy. It’s almost a form of temporary OCD and can involve fears that you’re going to hurt your child against your will.
Says in the book how she doesn't like kink, puts character in the book with a breeding kink. Yeah that tracks
I can't believe people STILL worship her books...
Probably middle aged women eating her up
Because people aren't robots and don't all think the same
@@bayoumuddahyes, people have feelings 🥺🥺 we all feel so comfortable and safe reading creepily described sex scenes, forced pregnancy and child abuse 🥺😔😔 we're so human and cute!!!! Only robots will have problems with writers like Colleen hoover 😏😏😏😏
The funniest part of this to me is when her fans call people who dont like Collen Hovren mysognistic.
A bit of projection, maybe?
@@bayoumuddah Excluding the fact that not even robots think the same since it depends of what they're programmed for, something can be objectively bad.
the problem with this book is that the "horror" aspect comes from verity and not the creepy male love interest
Being pregnant doesn’t scare me as much, but physically giving birth is a HUGE phobia of mine. I don’t think I could physically go through that. But i feel better about it knowing i’m not the only one
just the fact that this girlie took up a deal to finish a book series by a popular author instantly without thinking about it WITHOUT BEING FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF HER WORK AT ALL??? Like actually genuinely what?!
She needed the money 🤷🏾♀️
Plus she's apparently famous enough to draw the popular author's attention. Yet she's struggling to find work?
@@vanovasmith9586 she didnt get the authors attention, jemery later tells her he lied about his wife reading her book, he read it and he thought it was good.
@@Tata-ye5jt I know, I watched the whole thing
I didn't think I could dislike CoHo more until I heard excerpts of how she wrote about the autistic twin 😐
as a dr who fan, please do NOT call it the hoovian metaverse, i just had a jumpscare 😭
superhoolock
I love putting the fear of God in Dr. Who fans
SAME
Tentoo secretly being Colleen Hoover, confirmed
Thank you! That made me feel icky too! Lol
Imagine throwing in a scene with truck-kun and not even bringing it up later
She needs to write a sequel where the person who died is reincarnated.
@@Nothanie 😭 she needs to commit and go full isekai mode
she’d probably somehow make “redo of healer” look like child’s play
This is the only Colleen Hoover book I’ve ever read. I picked it because I usually read horror and thrillers, not romance, so it appealed to me more than any of the others. Thriller and horror ARE kind of different things, though... I see horror as more of a subject thing while thriller is more of a suspense thing, maybe? Verity seemed to be trying to be a thriller, but I wouldn’t really call it horror.
The headboard-biting was definitely horrifying, though. My jaw hurts just thinking about that.
I’ve been told Verity is a Rebecca retelling, so I read that book afterwards and yes, it I’d say that it is a loose retelling. So if you’re like me and thought the premise was somewhat interesting but hated everything else about Verity, I’d recommend Rebecca by Daphne DeMaurier. It’s much better.
the CHLU (colleen hoover literary universe) makes me wanna go out and write my own book just bc i know it would be better 😭
Colleen has the same mindset as the slasher movie directors.
She thinks that any woman who wants sex is a bad person who deserves to die horrifically but it’s fine when a man does the same thing (and nobody can even say that Verity is evil either because she’s mentally ill and she didn’t even hurt anyone, just writing about her intrusive thoughts on a notebook. In fact, it would make more sense if Jeremy was the one framing Verity to trick Loewen into helping him kill Verity, only for Loewen to realize when it’s too late that Verity was innocent when she found out in the end that Jeremy and “Verity” in a notebook have the same handwriting).
Yeah and given the epilogue, it would make way more sense for it being Jeremy lying about Verity and would make the epilogue work as a thriller/horror
It's not even intrusive thoughts, she's just goofing around?
Verity is the only Hoover book I’ve read, so I can’t speak for her others, but that’s not what I got from it at all. She wasn’t a bad person because of the nympho thing, it was because she was a self-centered psychopath who k!led her own kid... Sorry, but I didn’t believe the letter as the truth for an instant, it was such a cheap last minute plot device that made no sense.
Omg fr. It would've been better
@@bluecannibaleyesthe whole book felt like a cheap plot device tbh…
i’m eating this coho hate series UP😭 i can’t stand the amount of success this woman has fallen into for no reason
you’re so brave for this, nikki, i can’t believe you gave this to us rat bastards for free
I LOVE the voice change when her significant other walks in...
1:50 I just started the video and I’m already LOSING IT because when you said “dumptruck” my mind immediately thought of a guy getting hit with a phat ass and dying💀💀💀
This book really could have been super good if it was written by someone else. There's so many good ideas in here. I actually like the incident with the sleep walking incident, its got that paranormal activity vibe and I think a more unreasonable parent would have taken that as a sign that a kid was dangerous, but we needed more build up if the mom being unreasonable or selfish. That way it would really make sense that instead of being concerned for her daughter hurting herself she'd be concerned for herself. More of the mom treating her differently even in the day after that.
And man, more sleep walking content that more the mc gets stressed out.
I love the sleepwalking concept, I was so disappointed when it ultimately went nowhere, there was potential for gaslighting there and a chance for more paranormal elements perhaps, such a waste!
@@nikkicarreon I entirely agree!
I had the idea of Lowen imagining what was written in the manuscript and that it was blank all along. Like she created all these stories in her head and it would just spiral out of control.
@@Pandachu123ooooh, as an excuse to be able to get to the husband?
@@shamblingabby Quite possibly! If anything, it would be a good way to have Lowen be an unreliable narrator type of person. She'd try to show Jeremy the manuscript, only for it to be blank, and it would just devolve from there.
This is the first and last Colleen Hoover book I’ve read. This book had so much potential. I never bought Jeremy as a real romantic partner potential. I thought he was weird and creepy the entire time so much so I thought it was going to turn out that he was the author of the manuscript. But apparently this just the kind of guy Colleen is into
verity rights herself as the definition of a toxic boy mom... like, she does not care AT ALL for these girls at first (until the nightmare) but she loves and saves crew...
to be fair jeremy was a downright girl-dad, so it valance out
@@alejandrasandoval2027i havent read the full book, but based on her description of it he just seemed like a devoted dad to me
@@alejandrasandoval2027 obviously not defending him cus hes crazyyyyy but not exzctly a girl dad
colleen's just writing from experience (her son sa'd a girl and she defended him)
Nikki deserves so much more attention I love her sm 😭😭
chanting "get an abortion" throughout this entire book
always early for slander
I'm so excited you uploaded on my birthday. My mom read this for a bookclub and I remember her acting so pissed off with the book when she finished it. She was too polite to call it bad but never said anything good about it either lol.
Why is their meet-cute so weird? It wouldnt make the book good, but what if Jeremy and Lowen already had an established relationship?
Eg. He's a maintenance guy in her apartment building. Due to the place being old, he goes there quite often and Lowen develops a crush on him with them being friendly with each other.
One day she greets him when she's leaving, but slips on the stairs and hurt her leg or smt. Jeremy rushes to help her, takes her to her apartment and bangages her injury up. Lowen wants to ask him out but sees his hands without gloves for the first time and realizes he's married so she leaves him be.
I'm not a writer but this feels a bit more natural imo.
This book un-ironically gave me a fear of having kids
I’m really enjoying this Colleen Hoover era on Nikki’s channel rn 🙏🙏🙏
For half of this I thought that maybe Jeremy is a real author of this autobiography and uses it as some kind of black mail. Like he doesn't want his family name to be ruined so he doesn't put Verity in jail immediately but has this little life belt for the future. But no, the plot is straight and flat like a plank
Fun fact, the STUFF does come out if c section stitches get ripped
Oh god the pain, the unimaginable pain :')
My aunt got it two times (1° when she had an surgery and second when she gave birth) and she had a lot of limitation to what she physically could do, and she even had to spend some time with us due to not being able to climb the stairs of her house, thankfully she recovered well both times
That was an awful ending like WTF? Hoover never forgets to disappoints me in every book she had wrote.
Verity made no sense to me when I read it, and still doesn’t make sense now. Does Colleen not have editors?
I’d assume edits go through the publishing company she writes under. But you’d be surprised how often editing errors are in trad publishers
The fact that my body is capable of making a baby actually repulses and terrifies me.
It feeds into my already strong identity issues. Like, I’m feeling uncomfortable typing this- Wasn’t ready for all that-
Imaging living with and marrying a guy who you know has killed his wife. I'd be scared to talk back to him about anything.
Can we say how terrible it is that she describes very real body dysphoric feelings that women have when experiencing pregnancy and decides to villainize them by giving them "ooky spooky evil lady" vibes "darkness ahead"? Gimme a break
Hiya! Quick tip for noticing when you mess up: if you clap every time you make a mistake in the video, when you edit you’ll see the audio queues! xx There are a couple times where you repeat yourself and start another take in the same breath haha. Otherwise I absolutely loved the video!! So engaging and fun, I love your sense of humour. Please do more like these girly
They’re all horror novels.
Unintentional horror novels is the new romance of the season
I’m pretty sure all of her books count as horror books
“How can tacos and margaritas distract you from attempted murder?!”
It’s stuff like this that makes me love book reviews. 🤣
this was terrifying and awful. a more believable ending would've been that jeremy wrote the manuscript framing her when he's the one who committed those crimes? idk just terrifying
The way the autistic kid is treated in this book makes me feel bad
Especially with the fact an antisemitic and ableist term being used is the cherry on top
it never fails to amaze me how colleen cannot write a single likable character
This book and all CoHo books give me the major ick as a DV suvivor. She romanticizes the hell out of abuse and violently toxic relationships. Which is honestly disturbing.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS LITERALLY RIGHT AS I SIT DOWN TO EAT MY DINNER
you have me in tears talking about the headboard biting 😭
the amount of money you’ve given colleen hoover to give us content is crazy. you’re so brave
Nikki is now the world’s foremost Colleen Hoover scholar
I can’t wait to see your reaction on “Maybe Not”.
The protagonist of that book, Warren, will make Ben from November 9 look like a good ol’ Uncle Ben Parker from Spider-Man.
Warren is the worst love interest in the Colleen verse and that's saying something
@@Lemoncakelover678 Can’t even say that he’s a love interest when he spent the entire book raping her.
@@nont18411He's like if you mix the man child trope with the creepy stalker trope in a blender and it explodes to be the most nastiest, stinkiest batch of slop. The fact that were meant to view him as funny and rootable is laughable
@@Lemoncakelover678 At least Ben felt guilty for what he did (still not guilty enough to, you know, turn himself in. The bar is in hell here). Warren just straight up never thought of himself of being in the wrong like ever. The worst part is that he keeps raping Bridget knowing that she got raped by her uncle. I took my word back.
The actual worst part is that Colleen’s target audience are impressionable young people. The boys will think sexual assault is a good thing while the girls will be conditioned not to defend themselves in this situation.
@@nont18411exactly. If her books where dark romances targeted at older audience, that would be one thing (still disgusting), but to a younger audience as typical romance is a whole new level of gross.
everytime i think about being pregnant i think of the scene from breaking dawn part 1 where her back snaps and giving birth kills her until they turn her into a vampire😭😭
The way Coleen portrayed the guy's wife seemed slightly abelist imo.
A bit more than slightly honestly
@@ambrosia1083 yeah the main character was way too willing to talk shit about her. I have seen other reviews and she legit thinks the most awful shit before anything particularly weird happens
The "They are faking it" is such a common and pretty harmful trope. It but every disabled person under a microscope. I don't how many times I saw the stupid the person in w wheelchair can walk trope. It's like 50 % people in wheelchairs are either not real disabled or just some random non- chara to be keep the plot moving.
And the trope is dump to being with. Not everyone in a wheelchair is 100 % unable to walk, to begin with. Some people can't walk far, and using a wheelchair gives them a lot more mobility. But it also paints those people as fakers.
@@fee6362 yeah that's what icks me about the book the most, it wouldn't be easy to fake the condition she was supposed to be in either
@@DrinzenDrawz Very much. I get how someone could fake to need a wheel chair. But for weeks or month not reacting to anything? The feeding, the washing, people taking to her. Not even couching, or sneezing, not going to the bathroom? Even if one could - who would do it? If she was concerned about her writing and stuff... why didn't she burn it. Or throw it out and lived her live normally after that? That's another point, the reason for faking is so stupid is because no "good" reason exists. That's why in realty no one is going it or even could.
NOT A FANTANO LIGHT 4 😂😂😂
STOPPPP LMAO
OH MY GAWD ITS THE INTERNETS BUSIEST MUSIC NERD
very unrelated to the book but it was so sweet seeing you interact with your partner :) yall r so sweet it makes me happy to see you happy
"its late I better lock you out of your room" out of context is funny
1:24:52 this is the CUTEST clip EVER OMG 🥹🥹🥹 i love nikki & her bf couple goals frfr the happiness in their voices 😭
If Colleen Hoover wrote this scene, the boyfriend would punch Nikki in the face while Colleen will portray it as a romantic gesture.
@@nont18411Nah, it's the one reason why Ryle is portrayed as bad. But cheating, violating boundaries or even burning a house is okay apparently
YESSSS
I was wondering if anyone was talking about this!!
legitimately JUST finished your last video yesterday, this was such good timing omg
You took one for the team again. Thank you for your service.
I never heard a single audiobook in my life, but I can't stop watching these, waiting for next one! Awesome video, as always!!!
I NEED to watch this by Friday because I literally just found out that my mom is hosting her book club at our house to discuss VERITY LMAO this was perfectly timed thank you
okay but that moment between you and your partner was pure wholesome and peak adorable 🥰
Off topic but I love how your mood and voice completely changes when you see your partner it's so cute
Girl not the tone change when your BF came in 😂 so real
Should i do an alternate version of the ending of this book on wattpad?
like, the one that makes sense that Nikki suggested
The fact that i just watched the nicole rafiee video reading this book but im gonna watch this whole video still bc every nicki deserves to read me a toxic colleen hoover bedtime story ❤️
honestly the plot is so interesting. this could’ve been a REALLY good book if it wasn’t written by colleen hoover.
It's just a rip off of a better book called "Rebecca"
It's this but actually good
the fact that so many people have told me to read this and its one of the most commonly recommended 'dark novels' in this current age is scarier than any horror book i've ever read :'(