How can we know Jesus is really present in the Eucharist?
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2011
- Is there evidence that Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist? Tim Staples and Patrick Coffin answer this question from a caller.
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Great video. I believe Jesus has called me to be a Catholic. As of May 19th, I'm confirmed. I really sought the Lord's direction.
There is nothing that could be compared to Jesus in the Eucharist. It is such a glorious thing, that it could only have come from God himself. At Mass I can feel Heaven coming down to earth. And I'm overwhelmed with humility. Who am I, a worthless sinner, that my Lord should come to me in such a meek way? Praise you Lord Jesus Christ.
+Beloved Child
amen.
Rick Stewart I'm really sorry you feel that way. You don't know what you are missing. But you will find out sooner or later.
Peace
Rick, there is nothing that I love more than to talk about scripture. If you are willing to have a charitable conversation without and attacks and insults, I could give you my facebook and we can talk in private.
Actually those Catholics are not rare. Catholics do read the Bible. After all it's the Catholic Church that compile it into one big book. Not to mention Saint Jerome (one of the 8 fathers of the Church) who translated the entire thing from greek to latin which at the time (in the 4th Century) was the official language in many parts of the world. Thanx to him and the Church you have the Bible in your hands today. The Catholic Church has always encouraged her members to read, studay and meditate on scripture. In fact our daily Mass has two readings from the bible and one Psalm. On Sundays we have three readings plus the one Psalm. So people could hear the Bible daily even if they don't open it and read in it.
As for your statement about the "rare catholics" that question Church authority, they are not rare at all. It is in our nature as human beings to doubt, not to mention that the Church encourages questions and have reasonable answers for everything. As a cradle catholic myself, I strayed in my teens from the faith and ended up with so many doubts and questions, the thing is I only ask non Catholics about the answer. I thought that asking The Saints and Mary's intercession is wrong. I thought the Catholic Church was wrong and the pope. I even attended an Evangelical service, listen to other protestants pastors preaching. None of it felt right, everything seemed unfulfilling, like they really wanted to do whats right and follow Jesus, but couldn't really grasp it. The only thing that felt right to me was the Mass. i felt something huge I couldn't understand. Something calling to me and wanting me go back. I wanted that. I felt the love and peace there, but did not understand where it came from exactly. What was it? But because I didn't pick up a bible to read, and I wanted to have control over my own life, I just ended up not caring.
"Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord our God, though we have rebelled against Him" Daniel 9:9 Jesus did promise to take care of his sheep didn't he? He left the 99 and came to me, and I had the best, yet most terrifying experience of my life. He called me back to him and this time I wanted to go back. However I had no idea where to go! There are thousands and thousands of churches that claim to be the church of Christ. It's not like I can go to my Catholic family and ask him or my protestants friends and ask them! Each person would call me to their church. Which one was the right one?
So I got down on my knees and prayed like I've never did before. I told Jesus that this time I wanted to give him Control, that I wanted him to do with me as he pleases. And I begged him to tell me which Church to go to. And he lead me to the catholic church (after another long story), which got me terrified, I thought that I misunderstood him, I thought the Catholic Church taught wrong biblical things. So after more prayer I picked up the bible and I read. I kept praying and reading then reading and praying. Every objection that I had every question that I had of the doctrine of the church have was in the bible!!!! I was amazed!!! Because I was told that Catholics don't follow the Bible. But it was there!!!! Everything! For the next years I kept praying and studying and researching. I kept an open mind and talks a lot with Protestants and other questions and even non-Christians I didn't want to be brainwashed I wanted to have an idea about everything. I Wanted to make sure that what I believe is true. And I found out that the Catholic Church is right and is the one holy Church that Christ established. Even with all the scandals and bad things that were done by Catholics, that wasn't the Church's fault. Because the church is made of many members who happened to be human who are imperfect and have a sinful nature. Bad things will happen whether you are religious or not religious. That doesn't discredit the entire Church. Just like Judas's betrayal does not discredit the rest of the apostles. One person's bad choices does not represent the rest of his group.
But I found out that out of everything the Church have, the most beautiful gift God gave her is Jesus in the Eucharist.
I also learned that Faith is a Grace given by God himself to those who ask for it. "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" Matthew 7:7 ---> meaning we can't convenes each other of the Truth. Only God can give that to us. All we have to do is ask for it. So today all I am asking of you is to pray. Ask the Lord to show you the truth. meditate on John chapter 6, and on the last supper. And be open to the Holy Spirit. Let him guide you. I will pray for you as I hope you will pray for me.
"If angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion."
- St. Maximilian Kolbe
the mystery of faith
Jesus said concerning communion "Do this in remembrance of me". You should not partake of it unworthily lest you eat and drink damnation unto yourself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Jesus always gives us a chance for confidence, faith in action :D
Simple! Because Jesus Said so: "this is my Body, this is my Blood".
So simple.
that's simbolic. Jesus spoke using many symbols. Jesus also said "I am the door, the light, the vine". Is Jesus God or a door?, etc
John 6:53 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” Every time Jesus says ''truly, truly'' he is not speaking symbolically, just like when he proclaimed the necessity of baptism.
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." so he meant this literally? according to Biblical Exegesis and Church history no, as well as when Jesus talked about his body and flesh.
it's curious how the Roman Catholic tradition has interpreted the Bible metaphorically but when it comes to the blood and body of Jesus they say it's literal.
Transubtanciation is a man explanation using Aristotelian philosophy. Real prescence of the Lord has been believed to be true by the early church (but it is a mistery)but to say that a priest has the power to change food into Jesus? that came up thousands of Years later.
One must be born of water and spirit to see heaven. All Church Fathers agreed on that.
Believing in the consecration of the host and wine separates Catholics from all other denominations. That belief, is the root of which all Catholicism grows from.
Not something to be proud of. Jesus meant it as a metaphor for belief in Him.
John 6:30 So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? 31“Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘HE GAVE THEM BREAD OUT OF HEAVEN TO EAT.’” 32Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33“For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34Then they said to Him, “Lord, always give us this bread.” 35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
BELIEF. Not literal.
***** It is both figurative and literal. Thus, he becomes the bread of life.
God does everything big.
Gary Maccagnone
Contrary to the law forbidding the drinking of blood?
***** Jesus served wine and bread. Intelligent followers are able to discern his words, understand the symbolic value, and understand what is transformed through the sacrifice.
It must have meaning to last.
What does that even mean? I agree it has value, but not for the reasons catholics think. It is not physically Jesus, that is so bizzare it's not funny. It is bread and wine (or whatever substitute you make it) done for remembrance of Christ and His sacrifice. Also if a priest changes it to the flesh of Christ, how come the bible never mentions who should do it? It never says have a priest do it. Infact in the bible all believers are now priests. .
Catholic Answer always gave right and clear explanation on the words and works of God which helped me have a good understanding of my faith. Thank you for your advocacy in defending our Faith. Thanks to Holy Spirit for for it.
I wanted to share an extraordinary moment happened to me when I received the Holy communion one time, just this May. I felt a cold air running down from my head to toe - it is like a vapor of a menthol, while kneeling and praying at the church bench after receiving the Holy communion. I also felt fainting and week for about a minute, then after it, it is like nothing happened. But i feel my tongue is getting numb. I don't know why it happened. Is it Jesus' Spirit? I am not worthy. Cause my faith sometimes is weak. I sometimes question when other people is attacking my faith. But I believe that inspite of that attacked I did not let this lose my faith in God. I am thanking Him a lot for guiding me in getting to know Him more these days. I believe that in spite of my sins and shortcomings He loves me and He loves us. So I think God is good all the time. If you also wanted to feel and received Him, repent and believe in Him and He will prove Himself to you in many ways, always. That is why i wanted to say sorry and confess my sin to God for still thinking unworthy things inspite of loving and proving Himself to me. I will always turn to God. He will always accept me. But I have to grow otherwise i'll be stagnant and be little to Him. I think that is the challenge on us: to grow in faith!
I had my own little miracle as well. I went to mass on a Sunday with a sore throat. After receiving communion I say in the pew and said my prayers. When I swallowed the Eucharist my sore throat was gone! I was no longer sick :) I think this happened because a few months earlier I prayed for a stronger faith in the Eucharist and my prayer was answered.
+Che R that's a very amazing experience. Just had a communion again for less a year now coz ive made a terrible mistake in my life but ashamed of going to the confession. But thanks God that i've made a firm decission to changed myself with the help of praying the Rosary and to St. Michael, i did a confession to a friend priest. 1 Cor. 11:27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. I do believed that as the Bible said we shld examine ourself before taking a communion and if we made a mortal sin we shld confess our sins to a priest Hebrew 5:1 Every high priest is taken from among men and made their representative before God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins
this is my poor human analogy of the Eucharist , in the military, the dif between a private and officer is so huge it is like nite and day! the person is physically the same but everything changes in their life! one minute they r a lowly private the next a lieutenant or higher, all by the decree of the military!!! Marriage is another example, one day i was a wild and crazy single guy the next minute by the words of the priest we r no longer 2 flesh but one! Did anything physically change? I still looked and smelled the same[lol] But believe me everything changed!!! So the bread and wine may look,taste and smell like bread and wine but when the priest says the words of Jesus's consecration from His Last Supper, believe me, everything changes! It truly becomes the the Lamb of God!!! thank you Lord for revealing to me your One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith!!!
Thanks Rich for your "humble" but effective analogies. Very helpful and uplifting. Though a cradle Catholic, I must confess this is one doctrine I often find myself struggling with. God bless.
DemkoStar Blessed are those that do not see and still believe (John) - paraphrasing Jesus to Saint (doubting) Thomas.
But we r all like Thomas but unlike Judas, Thomas stayed with the group until the miracle happened! If we r sincere in seeking the Truth, Jesus will satisfy any doubts u may have!
I believe.
Susan McGuinness
Rich Smyth Thanks Susan and Rich.
I would love to visit the Lunciano shrine. But for this clip I would never have known about it! :)
john 6 i just know by faith its an honour and a gift to me lindax
Wow. alot of hate comments below.
Catholic answers. you guys are great. And Tim staples: Another Job well done..
this is so awesome!! love this show, love Catholic radio!! God bless you, thank you guys!!!
You guys are so awesome
I need more on this to feed my understanding and my love for this holy sacrament. Thank you guys. I've been baptised and confirmed since May of this year 2020. It's now the 16th of August 2020. I'm not a convert but came into the church from an non-religious life and non-religious parents. Anyway, It still happens that I take the Eucharist and only when I'm back in my seat that I realize, 'oh, right, this is Christ!' is that normal? Thanks and sorry for my English.
great job guys!!
Welcome home, Jesus loves you.
There also sometimes seems to be a certain scent from the Eucharist. It smells like some sort of flower, but it is very sweet smelling. I've had this happen to me three times when taking Holy Communion at Mass. Catholic Answers, could you explain this?
Thank you for having the comment section open! There are so many videos on Catholic Answers that I would love to investigate further for the sake of understanding. My boyfriend is Protestant and it's hard to explain to him some things about Catholicism because he simply "doesn't buy it". -The eucharist being one of them.
Christ Actually used the words, to gnaw at his flesh. Those who found the teaching too hard, walked away, same thing, we are doing by disbelieving.
I am exploring Catholicism and I have had a huge amount of trouble understanding the Eucharist/Real Presence. Hearing about the miracles should help, but it leaves me feeling a little freaky. Maybe it just takes time to get used to the vast differences in Catholicism?
I don't believe that it is satanic. I do not know whether I will become a Catholic or not, but the masses feel quite spiritual. They are all focused on Jesus Christ.
Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to open your heart and help you understand. I asked and the Lord answered me.
Thank you.
i am doing some of this reading now. But it does take time.
I do think you exaggerate just a little.
"Isness" Love it.
learned that from Fr. Barron:)
wow I'm doing a lot clean up on my belief n I appreciate this so much! xD I feel so blessed to be part of the Holy Church n doing this research is not to debate with people per se but to let all thus truth make me marvel even more in the mysteries of God and His awesomeness!
It's just a matter of Faith. The reality of how much we believe in Jesus is based on how much we believe in His words.
Thanks for the overwhelmingly complete answer! And I found Patrick's black vest over the red short sleeve shirt combo intriguing. ;-)
Paul Vossus writes "There is nothing you eat or drink that will make you clean or unclean."
Paul, while normal food consumption does not generally impact our spiritual state, the Eucharist is different, because IT is different; It IS truly The Lord. we read in scripture, 1 Cor 11: Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. - i have to say that seems pretty clear.
I love you
There have been no Eucharistic miracles since receiving communion in the hand has become the norm. RECEIVE ON THE TONGUE IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE HE IS GOD!!!!
Tim is so cool!
I'm wondering, since Jesus said that we need to eat his flesh & blood in order to get eternal life, and considering that Roman Catholics interpret this text in a literal sense, do we not get eternal life in Heaven with God if we abstain from taking the Catholic Eucharist, according to your theology?
Juan, ask the Holy Spirit
A lot of the early Church did not believe it was literal but taught symbolism. Here is a quote from St Clement of Alexandria ""Elsewhere the Lord, in the Gospel according to John, brought this out by symbols, when He said: 'Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood,' describing distinctly by metaphor the drinkable properties of faith and the promise," Clement 150-215
Remember, there is a false battle of "true presence or symbol?" between Catholics and Protestants. There needs to be one thing known: The Catholic Church teaches both/and. It is not either or, but both/and. Do not argue against the symbolism (you show good reason to believe symbolism as well), but acknowledge but know it is real as well.
Joshua Aaron My opinion is that it couldn't be literal or really needed to be literal. I can see why Catholics have come to a different conclusion though...My sincerest prayer is that God saves regardless of a bad interpretation of scripture or early church father's practices.
I agree with the hope that God will save, for the hope of everyone who is not Catholic, and for "lukewarm" Catholics. Your opinion is valued, though this is the reason there are 34,000 +/- sect of "Christianity" because of the rejection of the authority of the Church. The Church alone has the authority to interpret scripture. This is considering the fact the Church wrote the New Testament scriptures, compiled the Bible as we have it today, and alone has the authority to say what is inspired or not. This is what us Catholics need to remember: It is not about our opinion, it is knowing and (most of all) understanding the teachings of the Church. See Mt 18:16-17 for ref. The early Church fathers were, if anything, even more emphatic about the teaching and authority of the Church. Read St. Ignatius of Antioch (circa 109 AD) in his epistle to the Smyrnaeans he is very clear about the authority of the Bishop(s).
Joshua Aaron The problem with that is the early church fathers were divided on doctrine. It was not a fluid as you might believe.
Desi C Well sure that is was the case. But whether they agreed or not what you're missing is that everything they argued about transubstantiation was solved and defined at the Counsel of Trent- hence the authority of the Church. There is no more discussion needed.
Re the "miracle" of Lanciano, how does a bit of human heart confirm Catholic teaching, which does *not* hold that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist, but rather, to use Trent's formulation, that he is truly, really, and substantially present?
It is still the same sacrifice
My grandma knows that this is true because she saw it. she saw something come down into the host and thats how i know thats how my family knows thats how she knows and thats how i know.
Patrick Coffin for president!!!!
While I do find the comments on the miracle of lanciano interesting, they are predicated on the notion that one believes the origins story of the items in question. Really you have to believe the Church's story in order for it to see credible... this might be seen as a problem for some.
Actually, Christ, in the for if the Creator of All is present in EVERY molecule of existence. Look up the "double slit" experiment. The tiniest form of matter was recorded to be "self aware". And um - Jesus is also a metaphor for Truth. Truth exists! 2+2 equals 4. That is TRUTH. It's independent of the individual, but the individual is part of the overall essence of Truth, by your mere existence.
I think we have been mis understanding this theology ,the Eucharist is equal to body and blood of Jesus but not body and blood of Jesus , bread and wine are justified to be Eucharist by presence of holy spirit (spirit of the father and the son) who is invoked during a Eucharistic prayer, so when we partake we are justified to have eaten his body and drink his blood not physically,we worship holy spirit in holy Eucharist (spirit of the father and the son),we venerate and adore bread and wine which are justified by holy spirit to be equally with body and blood of Jesus respectively
2:34
Why does Tim appeal to Mark 16:12 when Mark 16:9-20 is added much later? I don't believe those verses are inspired scripture.
Read Luke 24 "The road to Emmaus" and you'll get the whole story. It's awesome
Jesus is in every beleiver
I heard been a Catholic for about 15 years. I thought I heard on internet that a priest had a Miracle occur with the host.
I just verified this, but the seventh century goes from 601 to 700 so Patrick was correct when he said seventh century.
Where are the citations for this claim that different sized pieces of heart tissue always the same amount? Is it something as simple as the different sizes having different densities? If so then that is not miraculous. At any rate, where are the citations for these studies so that we can go about persuading the scientific community?
+Daniel Bridges
Do your own research. The studies are not hard to find. Really, they are published by secular, scientific institutions. The Church does not shy away from scientific analysis, in fact it's required for a Eucharistic Miracle to be called one. Again, a simply google search would suffice.
Every a 'miracle' happens it's always heart tissue and the same blood type. I'd love for you to explain how 14th century Italians pulled off a hoax with heart tissue the with the same blood type as those that happened in Poland just last year. Did they have tests for blood type in 14th century?
Ignorance is bliss.
Ryan Murray I read years ago that dried blood degrades over time such that results will indicate the same blood type. If true, that answers your question. That both would declare it to be heart tissue is also not miraculous if in both cases the examiner were a devout Christian and if it's really not clear but they're determined to make some pronouncement, given the symbolism of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. You would think, actually, if it is Jesus' Body, that He would present different parts of it to underscore this fact, rather than only the heart ...
Finally, if a "simple Google search" is all that is needed to find peer-reviewed studies of this matter, then please do one for me and share the link to a study. In my experience investigating miracles, it's not that easy.
Humanity are all the stewards of creation and the stewards are made in the image and likeness of God.
Who are you to say who has gone to confession I go about every two weeks.
how can people reject the true present of christ in the Eucharist
he took human body before
and now he is with as in another form
that's why our god love us
he will not leave us orphans
Check out the Miracles of the Eucharist. You will all see actual miracles of the Host turning into flesh and blood...
The microscope can't see spirit
The Eucharist became dogma at the 4th Lateran Council in 1215. Prior to that it was a "teaching doctrine." I have trouble trying to reconcile the angel's statement at the Ascension: Jesus would return the way he departed at the Mt of Olives. However in Catholic teaching he returns every day, thousands of times in the form of the wafer and cup . Which is truer Scripture or Catholic tradition?
Both are equally true. The Angel declared that Christ would return again in a like manner in which he departed: bodily, in unveiled majesty. Christ also said that He is with us always until the consummation of the world (cf. Matt. 28:20); how can this be if we must wait until His return in the same manner in which He ascended? It is a Mystery of Faith. The Fourth Lateran Council simply addressed the philosophical definition of "transubstantiation"--it was not, as you seem to imply, some small matter of doctrine until that point. The Church has always believe and taught the True Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist--it was the philosophical language that was not always clear or uniform. Christ Himself declared that His Flesh is true food and His Blood is true Drink, that we must physically eat His Flesh and physically drink His Blood or else we have no life within us; but those that do these things have eternal life (cf. Jn. 6:53-55). These are the words of eternal life (cf. Jn. 6:68). There exists no contradiction between Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition regarding the Holy Eucharist or, for that matter, any other issue.
MrHoopler Scripture is our final authority concerning matters of faith and PRACTICE. Consider these two catholics in the video, they must, with intentional and deliberate intent, 1) put aside the common sense God gave them in order to believe this pagan ritual of transubstantiation, when it's nothing more than hocus pocus and 2) disregard the proper method of hermeneutics and exegesis study of the word of God as commanded by Paul in 2 Tim. 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The mental gymnastics required to believe in such blasphemous bovine scatology is the pinnacle of, and the finest form of, sophistry ever to be perpetrated on man. You heard it from their own mouths. Physically, chemically and molecularly the cookie and vino is not changed, yet they say, - '... before, during and after consecration... in its "essence", in its "substance".... in its ""is-ness"" it is now the whole christ; body, blood, soul, and divinity without changing its appearance...or the "accidents" or what we call the species....', blau, blau, blau.
In the book of John the word 'believe' is used ninety-four times. In chapter 3 Jesus Christ uses the word 'believe' nine times. In chapter 3 it is Jesus Christ himself who tells Nicodemus how we are to be saved, i.e. how we are to be 'born again' by believing in him, that is Jesus Christ, nothing more and nothing less. In chapter 6 'believe' is also used nine times, yet, somehow this simple belief Jesus Christ spoke of is not quite sufficient for salvation according to the romish system and its 'sacred tradition' of the catholic cult but to ingest human flesh is required, disgusting to say the least, in practice and in its concept.
To take verses out of context and build a doctrine based on these out of context verses is the work of Satan. Heck, given enough time I could search the scriptures of the OT and NT, take verses out of context and make Bozo the clown to be an apostle. One must understand, using the common sense God gave them what is to be understood as literal or figuratively. Jesus Christ himself says in John 6:63, It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. This verse is conveniently explained away by the romish cult as something other then what Jesus Christ meant. Even the twelve apostles Jesus Christ chose understood what he meant and it was Peter who stated this fact in John 6:67-69, 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 6:27-29, 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent. (emphasis added).
John 6:33-37, 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that BELIEVETH ON ME shall never thirst. (emphasis added).
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:39-40, 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, AND B E L I E V E ON HIM, MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE: and I will raise him up at the last day. (emphasis added).
John 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that B E L I E V E T H on me hath EVERLASTING LIFE. (emphasis added).
John 6: 62-65, 65 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT Q U I C K E N E T H (make alive), THE F L E S H P R O F I T E T H N O T H I N G: THE W O R D S THAT I SPEAK INTO YOU , THEY ARE S P I R I T, AND THEY ARE L I F E. (emphasis added).
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 6:67-69, 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 7:31-32, 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YE CONTINUE IN MY W O R D, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
1 Cor. 15:1-4, 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 BY WHICH ALSO YE ARE S A V E D, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph. 2:8-9, 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Both - the bread and win is consecrated by The Holy Spirit making the bread ans wine truly the Body & Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. So, He does come down from Heaven daily ("I will be with you always even til the end of the age."), and He will come down from His throne in the clouds ("my throne is in a pillar of a cloud" - Ecc 24:7 DRA) on the last day - the day after we accept or deny His mercy and if deny mercy, then we face divine judgement, and as sinners, this is not good but condemnation, so best accept His loving mercy while there is still time. Scripture, though seemingly simple at times, is always more mysterious, complex and always true, whether or not we comprehend it. God is much bigger than any of us. He loves us. He wants us to come out of sin and turn to Him for everlasting life. If our compass is off by just a hair, the goal will be missed as we will never reach our destination. Sin puts us off the mark and disorientates our spiritual direction, which leads us astray, away from God and into the abyss of hell. Stay on the narrow road to get to eternal life ("How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! " - Mathew 7:14).
justthinken1 Your verbosity reveals the emptiness of your words. Jesus did not tell Nicodemus that we are born again by simple belief, He stated that a man is born again, or born from above by water and the Spirit. Also, your commentary on John 6 is ridiculous; how can a believer claim that the Flesh of Christ profits nothing, was it not that same Flesh that hung upon the Cross and that same Flesh that resurrected and ascended to the Father? When he refers to the flesh that profits nothing, He is referring to unbelievers who cannot grasp the profound, yet simple teaching of eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood. It is simple, very childlike in its simplicity, we must eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood or else we have no life within us--these are the words of the Lord, it is modernist and schismatic cultists who seek to pervert the Gospel. The reason that you and thousands like you take issue with the Gospel and the teaching of eating the Flesh and drinking the Blood of Our Lord is due to the woeful influence of European humanism and Enlightenment rationalism on Protestant theology. It is easy enough to tell a man "simply believe and you are saved", this is not supernatural faith. The Christian Faith is a faith that believes and does what is commanded, it does not rationalize itself according to the precepts or doctrines of this or that group, it does not yield to the inventions of mankind, it saves mankind by the Body and Blood of the Lord. Our Lord demanded much more of His disciples and He demands much more of His Church. His Body and His Blood is the New Covenant, He is the Lamb of God and He is the Incarnate Word. He Flesh must be eaten and His Blood must be drank, this is His divine commandment. Is the cup not a communion of the blood of Christ and is not the bread a partaking in the body of the Lord (cf. I Cor. 10:16)?
SpiritualJones Thanks. Step back and look at your church's interpretation. It is teaching Catholics to literally drink blood.... forbidden in OT law (Lev 17). How is it that Jesus, speaking to Jews in Jn6, would ask them to break Mosaic law? After feeding the 5K a crowd followed him to the other side of the lake. Jesus called them out on it because the had their fill of food. Verse 6:53,54 had the desired effect of driving away people who were just there to eat and see a show (chapt 6 in context)
so how do catholics react to something or someone who is showing the truth about the demons in catholicism and talks about topics like mary worship, and the hierarchal system that jesus is not in, and like when a person says "you must come out of catholicism or you will perish." what does a catholic have to say about that?
May I ask you your religion? It seems like a non Trinitarian one, if any? As far as demons, do you mean fallen angels or human sinners falling into temptations/sins? As far as " in catholicism" do you mean Catholics laity or church leaders/consecrated religious people? Please define your terms for answers to your questions. Thank you.
***** I just believe that Jesus isnt in religion and didnt start the catholic church or any religion. like, Mary is in heaven, and she wasnt sinless and like when you die, you cant come back to earth. She is enjoying her reward with Jesus right now, I believe. now, she doesnt know what is going on in earth.... I dont believe in this system of people being above each other,like we are all equals and especially when you get to know Jesus, all of those ppl are equal...now everyone is at different points in their walks, but that doesnt make one brother above another.Jesus is the head though. It's very important to draw near to Him and fall in love with Him.
Susan McGuinness demons as in deceiving spirits, possibly. Also, I do not believe that Jesus is in religion. :)
Ok
***** Jesus is God. He is the second person of The Holy Trinity of he Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit. Religion is defined as a belief held with ardor and faith, so belief in Jesus Christ is a religious belief, if one believes in Jesus Christ. Jesus teaches us in Holy scripture that the gods (lower case g) of the pagans are demons (fallen angels). Here is a link that might help you find the truth as revealed in Sacred Scripture: thecatholicdefender.webs.com/biblecheatsheet.htm
Put yourself in Jesus shoes repeating 4 times a "hard" teaching to shocked Jewish followers. Would you not back it up with some form of "evidence"? Jesus backs up His hard teaching with "evidence" in proper context in John 6:62. Come to believe in the real presence. God's blessings.
Isn't it possible that when Jesus said "This is my body, broken for you", he was speaking in metaphor? Jesus was no stranger to allegorical language.
The true Queen of Heaven is now Immaculate Mary upon her Assumption into Heaven not at the time Jeremiah spoke about false gods like
Jesus said. This is my body. Jesus is God. And God never lies. Believe it.
I want to see DNA test results of this blood.
every bleeding piece of consecrated bread has been tested by a non-biased scientist who revealed the same exact dna of one person each time through history. That's pretty cool considering: 1)the bread turned into blood 2)The blood was of the same person each time. Look it up
Agnes Philomena Amen. I have they're cool. They're the same as the cloth from Veronica wiping his face. Keep spreading the faith.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Friend, there is plenty of evidence AND spiritual teaching on the Eucharist. Check out John 6.53, and St. Paul's comments about the Eucharist in 1 Corinthians 11:23-30, and don't forget the early saints Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr's comments about the reality of the Eucharist. The True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist has been a belief held ever since the Christian Church existed, and Christian disbelief in it has only existed for a few hundred years.
So when they put Jesus in the bread , when they break it they are actually sacrificing him every weekend
it's curious how the Catholic tradition has interpreted the Bible metaphorically but when it comes to the blood and body of Jesus they say it's literal.
Transubtanciation is a man explanation using Aristotelian philosophy. Real prescence of the Lord has believed to be true by the early church but to say that a priest has the power to change food into Jesus? that came up thousands of Years later.
This makes no sense to me.......I'm learning about Catholicism and just don't get how the bread and wine becomes literally Jesus....
meh..gimme the Lutheran position 💯💯
It's bread and it's the Body of Christ. It's wine and it's the Blood of Christ..none of this "appears" and "substance" convoluted language.
the Roman Catholic view is a violation of Levitical law
The Roman Catholic interpretation of the Eucharist requires the participant to eat human flesh and drink human blood. Remember, Roman Catholicism teaches that the bread and the wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. Essentially, this amounts to cannibalism. What does the Scripture say concerning this?
"For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, You are not to eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off." (Lev. 17:14).
Notice that the scripture says that you are not to eat the blood of any flesh. It would certainly appear that the Roman Catholic view is in contradiction to the Old Testament scripture since it advocates the eating of the blood of Christ. To the RCC it is not just symbolic; it is the actual eating and drinking of the body of Christ.
Some Roman Catholics respond by saying that Jesus had instituted the new and everlasting covenant in which the sacrificed body and blood of Christ was reality. Therefore, because it was a new covenant, it was also the sacrificed body and blood. But this cannot work because the new covenant could not yet be instituted until after the death of Christ as the Scriptures state.
"And for this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it." (Heb. 9:15-16).
Therefore we can conclude that the Levitical law was still in effect because the new covenant had not yet been established. So, the Roman Catholic position would have Jesus himself violating Old Testament law by having the disciples drink the blood--if it were literal blood.
Yet another response is that in Mark 7:19 it says, "'because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?' (Thus He declared all foods clean)." The problem with this response is that it tends to set scripture against scripture and doesn't really address the issue of Leviticus 17:14 and the particularly relevant comments by the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:19-20 also forbidding the eating of blood. Therefore, it seems that Jesus was declaring all animals were clean in the sense that they do not defile a person. Again, in the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, James the apostle gives instructions and said, "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood." (Acts 15:19-20). Some say this refers only to animal blood. But if that is so, then "all foods clean" (ref. Mark 7:19) would have to include animal blood. But, that doesn't make sense in light of the instruction is still to abstain from drinking blood.
Seventh --it is a violation of the incarnation
The biblical doctrine of the incarnation states that the Word which was God and was with God (John 1:1), became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). This "became flesh" involves what is known as the hypostatic Union. This is the teaching that in the one person of Christ are two natures: divine and human. That is, Jesus is both God and man at the same time, and He will forever be God and man.
Furthermore, by definition, for Jesus to be human, He must be located in one place. This is the nature of being human. A human male does not have the ability to be omnipresent. He can only be in one place at one time. To say that Jesus in His physical form is in more than one place at a time is to deny the incarnation. That is, it denies that Jesus is completely and totally a man--since a man can only be it one place at one time. Therefore, to say that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ is to violate the doctrine of the incarnation by stating that Christ is physically present all over the planet as the mass is celebrated. This is a serious problem and a serious denial of the true and absolute incarnation of the Word of God as a man.
But, did not Jesus say in Matt. 28:18-20 that He would be with the disciples always--even to the ends of the earth? Is this not a declaration that Jesus will be physically present everywhere? No, this is not what is stated.
The answer is found in the teaching of the communicatio idiomatum. This is the teaching that the attributes of both the divine and human nature are ascribed to the single person of Christ. It does not mean, however, that anything particular to the divine nature was communicated to the human nature. Likewise, it does not mean that anything particular to the human nature was communicated to the divine nature. It means that the attributes of the divine nature are claimed by the person of Christ. Therefore, Jesus is omnipresent--not in His human nature but in His divine nature.
To make this more clear, let's look at some verses that illustrate the communicatio idiomatum:
• John 17:5, "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was."
• John 3:13,"And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven, even the Son of Man."
Please notice that in these two verses, Jesus lays claim to the glory that He had with the Father before the foundation of the world. He also claims to have descended from heaven, but how could these be true since He is a man? The answer is that the attributes of the divine nature are claimed by the person of Christ. Therefore, the person of Christ could claim to have glory with the Father and could claim to descend from heaven. But we know that the man Jesus, in the flesh, did not exist until His conception. Furthermore, this means that the two natures of Christ are distinct, yet they are in Union in the one person of Christ (the hypostatic union). It further means that the attributes of the divine and the attributes of the human are not transferred to one another--the divine does not become localized and the human does not become infinite. If this were the case, then the nature of the divine and the nature of the human will be violated. Therefore, we can see that for Jesus to be a man, He must retain the attributes of humanity. This means that He must be localized, and it means He cannot be physically omnipresent. If He were, by definition He would not be a man. But the Roman Catholic position is that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ, and this violates the doctrine of the incarnation. Therefore, transubstantiation cannot be the correct teaching of Scripture.
he doesn't need to sacrifice himself over and over again. See Hebrews 9
Not true. Check the Miracle in Buenos Aires in 1998. Pope Francis was involved in it.
How can you know Jesus is really present in the Eucharist? You can't, it is a misinterpretation of John 6. Jesus wouldn't promote something that was against the Old Testament law that you can't drink blood let alone eating flesh.
Nowhere in scripture do we find this teaching. We see scriptures refer to the elements as the body and blood, but we also see Jesus clearly stating that the words He was speaking were spiritual words when talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood: "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."(John 6:63). He did not say they were literal words; that is, He did not say that they were His actual body and blood.
But, a Catholic might object and say that Jesus clearly said, "This is My blood . . . " and "This is my body . . . " This is true, but Jesus frequently spoke in spiritual terms: "I am the bread of life," (John 6:48); "I am the door," (John 10:7,9); "I am the resurrection and the life," (John 11:25); "I am the true vine," (John 15:1), etc. In the context of John 6, Jesus is telling His disciples that they must eat His body and blood (John 6:53). He clearly says He was speaking in spiritual terms, " . . . the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63).
there is no indication the disciples thought the elements changed
There is no indication in the biblical accounts of the Last Supper that the disciples thought that the bread and wine changed into the actual body and blood of Christ. Are we to believe that the disciples who were sitting right there with Jesus actually thought that what Jesus was holding in his hands was his literal body and blood? There is no indication that they thought this.
Fourth--there is no indication the disciples worshipped the elements
We see no indication at all that the disciples worshipped the elements. The adoration of the Eucharist is practiced during the Mass. Catholicism says, "Moreover, the Catholic Church has held firm to this belief in the presence of Christ's Body and Blood in the Eucharist not only in her teaching but in her life as well, since she has at all times paid this great Sacrament the worship known as "latria," which may be given to God alone."1 Where is the worship given the sacrament by the disciples anywhere in the New Testament? It is not there.
Fifth--the supper was instituted before Jesus' crucifixion
The Mass is supposed to be a reenactment of the sacrifice of Christ. Therefore, according to Roman Catholic theology, the bread and wine become the broken body and shed blood of Christ and are, somehow, the crucified body and blood of Christ.. But how can this be since Jesus instituted the Supper before He was crucified? Are we to conclude that at the Last Supper, when they were all at the table, that when Jesus broke the bread, it actually became His sacrificial body--even though the sacrifice had not yet happened? Likewise are we to conclude that when Jesus gave the wine, that it became His actual sacrificial blood--even though the sacrifice had not yet happened? That would make no sense at all.