CP series VS Nord Stage 3
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- The demo video compares the Yamaha CP73/88 series keyboard sounds, to those of the Nord Stage 3. I own the Nord Stage 3, but ALL the sounds you hear from The Nord here, are also found in The Nord Electro 4, 5, 6, and newer.
This is exactly the video of the Stage 3 Compact I've been waiting for. Have wanted to know how well it deals with pianos on the waterfall keys, and haven't seen any other videos that look at things in such detail. So thank you!
Best kind of comparison videos in the universe. You really put lot of heart into your videos! I admire and appreciate your commitment. Both keyboards sound good. I think Yamaha is more precise but also a little sterile.
Thanks for the kind words!
Love how you compared the pianos so thoroughly. Great job Ben.
Thank you!
I agree with some comments, I have played both, they are both great but Nord gives you that cherry on the cake in terms of sound quality. It sounds more natural, Yamaha feels a bit more synthetic but is very close. In my case, playing nord offered more fun for me. It just sounds amazing.
They are both great tools, but in general, I agree with you.
A proper review with proper demonstrations, thank you.
My pleasure!
Great playing! There's something magic about the Yamaha sound.
I might have missed him saying it, but when he's saying it's not a truly fair comparison, and how the Nord is designed to also do organ and some synth stuff, keep in mind the Nord is MUCH more expensive.
It seems all the Yamaha Rhodes sounds are of the "shallower" variety. They sound for sure very good, but it'd be a shame if there isnt at least one Rhodes on there with stronger lower harmonics and fundamental.
Very great video! Nice comparisons. They are both wonderful instruments. The Nord sounds extraordinary.
nice comparison. Competition brings out the best.
The U1 upright in the Yamaha is on par with Nord in my opinion! The organs were surprisingly good on the CP for a piano-centric board.
Man that sampled organ was killing nords generated version smh. I’m really confused on if I should spend this kind of money on a Nord lol
Great comparison, Ben !!! i enjoy with this video. Thank you very much !!!
I like the acoustic and electric piano Yamaha but i preffer the organ sound of Nord.
I have a Nord stage 3 and i m very happy. because my main work in my rock band is with organ sound.
Mario Piris Have you seem the new Yamaha YC61?
Hi Ben! A friend sells the cp88 for 1300€! It's brand new! But I am also thinking about the modx 8! Which one will pleasure me the most? I mostly need pianos, EPs, Clavinets Clavinets, some Strings and some Pads... I will use it as a second keyboard. Thank you! 🙏
Electric Pianos are way better on the CP73. As far as Piano sounds/samples go I can't really say which one is better, they can be tweaked and to be fair they should be compared to the real pianos. For the Organ section, yes, Nord did a good job, Yamaha should have made something like the Reface YC but it's like you said, this is a CP. Thanks for the comparison.
I have the feeling that the epianos on the CP just "know their place" a little better (in a imagined mix), sound somewhat rounder, warmer and less harsh. I think the majority of this might be fixable with some EQ, but out of the box I too like the CPs better.
Sadly most viewers didn’t get your approach, as these are totally different animals, designed for different audiences - as you pointed out so often! Most are ending up with this or that is better and didn’t get your message even after such a long video… 😂😂😂 I am glad, I don’t need to work with them as that would cost so much nerves… 😅
Thank you Ben for taking the time to compare these 2 great keyboards! We learn a lot from your presentations. I own a Nord stage 2 and was considering upgrading to Nord Stage 3 or Nord Piano 4. Main reason is the keyboard noise of the Nord Stage 2. What do you suggest? Have the newer keyboards better quality keybeds? Prefer to stay with Nord, which i use in my home studio only. Thanks.
Vasilis Karbouris you could go the direction I did and get a controller with excellent key action, and a Nord Stage 3 Compact. Best of both worlds!
@@benallen5967 Thanks for this Ben. Which controller do you suggest and can I have a pic of your setup if possible? In this case, I would keep the Nord Stage 2 since the piano samples are the same. Thanks heaps and have a nice day!
@@VK-tb5vc studiologic
Aye, the Nord sounds less artificial
Nord Stage 3 💪💪 ninguno otro piano se comparará con la calidad q presenta Nord
si te vale pagar el doble bien por tí
@@jonaah2829 $5,000 dólares los vale y por la calidad de resolución de audio cuando toques uno me dices
Ben, when it comes down to the best and more realistic acoustic piano experience what's your choice between a Nord piano, CP88 and Korg Grandstage? in terms of sound & keyboard action. Thanks for the video, very detailed and helpful.
J, thank you for your question. Of those you mentions, the CP88 has the best action by FAR. However, a Nord Grand would be a good choice as well. Sound wise, that is tough... they all have great piano sounds. The CP88 is excellent, but a Nord Piano has far more options for piano types. The Korg sounds great, but the action is nothing whatsoever like a real piano. Hope that helps!
@@benallen5967 The reason why the CP88 has better action its because the CP88 isn't as versatile they did that on purpose because the Nord Stage isn't just intended for pianos it has organ so they wanted to keep it light. That's why there is the Piano and Grand series.
@@tuneunleashed oh believe me, I’ve had them all. The Nord Stage 3 88 is a compromise action intentionally, so you can play synth and organ stuff on its action. It’s exactly the same idea as Kurzweil implemented in their Forte. The action is not quite piano, not quite synth, not quite organ.. but it’s OK for all those things.
Hi Ben! How do you feel the NS3 Compact action to play piano? I'd like to use Organ and EPs as well, and want a portable package. Considered the NS3 HP, but I don't know what to buy! Great video btw!
@Ben Allen You need a better microphone, it's difficult to hear you. Volume is low.
Hey, Ben . . . What have you heard about the Nord Grand?
Great choice if you like the Kawai MP7SE action and Nord sounds.
As I have also the CP73, but in the meantime with noisy and cranky keys, I would like ask you about your experience with the Keybed on your CP73 ?
Hi Ben, can you suggest the best studio monitors for nord especially for piano? Im kinda leaning towards the cms but theyre discontinued now. But then I saw you have the shapes right now. Any thoughts on them for piano and casual listening? Ive heard about the nord monitors but theyre tuned strictly for keyboard and i need something which is good for keyboard and reference and something that i can enjoy listening to without getting ear fatigue. Thank you for your suggestion. I kinda miss your piano demos and reviews.
Just use good headphones. I use Beyerdynamic DT-1990 which are excellent. But there are alot of excellent monitors on the marked, it really all depends on your budget. But my reccomendations..,.Low budget: Yamaha HS8(or HS 7), Medium budget: Adam A7x or Focal Solo Be, or Munto electronics the Eggs), and High budget: Focal Trio, Neumann KH 310, Event Opals….,and the list just goes on and on…..
Great comparison as always. And simply majestic playing! Love your style, brother.
I lead worship at a church and have a question: in your opinion, what keyboard options have the best layered piano/pad sounds? Excluding the Nord unfortunately because they’re out of my budget range, though I think they sound amazing.
Thank you for all of your videos!
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I bought used NS2EX Compact for this purpose and it's great so far.
Que bien esta es la mejor comparación 👏👏👏
BTW, Yamaha wins hands down on the E. Pianos. They still have work to do on the pianos.
Great comparison Ben.👍☺️
I like both of them I think the noise little bit better but the Yamaha is better because of the price if the sound is similar but you paying less for the Yamaha that’s we’re Yamaha win big price differences
Jeffrey Reid to be fair, all the sounds you heard here are also in the Nord Electro series.... I just don’t own an Electro at this point.
Great comparison Ben! Are you using the newest version of the Nord Rhodes? They have updated to the version 6 of the Rhodes with more velocity layers and Dyno filters.These are available as of Stage 3 OS 2.0, and the EPs replaces the older version 5 with some newer XL Rhodes versions such as Nefertiti XL for example...
Obwanz 1 yes.
Ben Allen There’s a Nord Rhodes Mark II sample that I’ve heard in several comparisons, a lot of them being on the Nord Stage 2. It had a certain realism that’s hard to describe and I just wondered if that, being an older sample, got replaced in the update Obwanz mentioned. I know it may sound like a petty question, but it felt like I was listening to a real Rhodes and I’d hate to know the sample got changed.
NORD wins.....but it costs "el doble"......so what should we do?....study trumpet?
The Yamaha has more natural tine noise in the Rhodes setting.
Nord Stage has another output ... rounded , better ,full sound ... In general ... samples are ok but a great difference in output
Any suggestions as to how I can get my Nord Stage 3 Compact create the keyboard part for the song Legs by the band ZZ Top?
the right comparison for a yamaha CP series , would be nord piano series, for a right comparison with Nord Stage 3, the right one would be Yamaha YC series, being clear about the yamaha yc series would be kind of a Nord electro and Stage mix... talking all about capabilities.
Nord Stage 3 un altro mondo!!! Io ho il Nord Piano 4 ed e' eccellente!!! Number 1
I agree. Nord makes outstanding instruments.
CP is brighter , nord - softer .
I prefer cp ,but nord is good too
Good thoughts!
Considering the massive price difference, it is a no brainer. The yamaha sounds just as good anyway.
Stay tuned! I just bought a YC 88, and with the newest update, it’s Leslie is ridiculously better, and it has an updated sound set. This video, I made 3 years ago. I do still own the Stage 3.
I only care about piano authenticity. I don't care about organ or synth. I am a professional jazz pianist and I scramble to make a living. I get alot of solo gigs in small places cafes restaurants etc. So I am looking for simplicity and authenticity. The fact that you aren't using 88s probably means I am in the wrong place. But I use keyboards with on-board speakers so I only have to bring a couple of neutral powered studio monitors to augment the sound and that's it no mixer no PA. I wouldn't consider a Nord for these reasons plus price is a issue.
Nord price is too much 👎🏼
I think they are almost on the same level but I think the Nord is better a bit. And don't forget the Nord samples are 4-5 years old at least, the yamaha came in 2019 ....
Márton Lesták Nord is much better. You can choose and download piano libraries you need. On yamaha you can’t do it, and you must struggle only with maybe two sets of piano samples, and you doesn’t have sympathetic resonance on yamaha, it’s deal breaking for me. Also, nord sample pianos as they sounds, and yamaha cleaning sounds of samples, non authentic at all. Also, nord is handmade and much better build quality. There’s much more things in which nord is better. But if we talks about price, there is where we stop this discussion
And this comparison is quite wrong because he didn’t notice what sets of sample he comparing between two keyboards
And also, I think, nord stage 3 is not right choice for comparison, nord piano would be much better for comparison
Jazzy Live Music since I clearly tell you which samples I am using in each comparison, I don’t understand your comment.
Jazzy Live Music I noted in the description that a better comparison would be the Nord Electro, since the Nord Piano doesn’t have the organ sounds you hear here.
Nord stage does warmer but its also twice the price (yamaha is cheap in france at espace clavier boutique)
You have to remember that this is almost always the case. When you reach a certain level in quality you have to pay alot more to just get that 5-10% quality increase. The Nord does not sound twice as good as the Yamaha, but to me it sounds just that little warmer and like a litlle more authentic, but not much….But what really is not shown in this video is that with a Nord Stage you can do ALOT more than with the CP. When it comes to flexibility and programability the Yamaha (even if it sounds good) doesn’t have a chance against the Nord…and this is also reflected in the price difference, and also the reason why you see Nord Stages all over the place on TV live shows etc…. Keyboard reviewers seldom point this out, as most reviews are just about “which has the best piano sound”.. I love my Nord Stage 3, and the only keyboard which can trigger me to sell it would be a new Nord Stage 4…
Super work,thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful. For what it’s worth, I now own a YC88 and love it. The new update makes the Leslie better than a Nord. But, I also use a CP88 at church, and that’s great too. I even sold my Stage 3 after buying the YC88 and wanted it back so bad, I bought another one.
What deferents between CP and YC only organ section? Or something else. Two word please))) Sound quality is same? Thanks.
@@alexkorels actually, there are larger differences between the two than you might thing. The organ engine is one, but the CP works on a three section basis (Piano, EP, Other) and in advanced mode, those could all be the same. The YC has the organ engine, and then it has two Keys sections, which can be identical and have their own effects- however… the YC has slightly more capable editing options. For example, you can sweep a low pass filter on the YC. The CP doesn’t have anything like that. On the other hand, the CP has several acoustic pianos which are not available in the YC (though most are). The YC is the more versatile of the two, for sure. Same key action on both.
Thanks Ben. Yes,YC more high price then CP. It seems for me and size of keyboard (black,white) little bit less then Korg or Roland,but it is not so important))
Ben, what keyboards do you currently have? Do you still have the KORG Grandstage? Which keyboard is your absolute favorite for piano?
Great question! I have been through MANY in my quest, that is for sure. My current setup is a Studiologic SL88 Grand, Nord Stage 3 Compact, Yamaha CP88, and a 1958 Hammond C3 and Leslie 147. Honestly, with the Nord and Yamaha, you can do 99% whatever keyboard work someone might require. The CP88 is a USB interface as well, so if needed, I can bring in other sounds from my Mac or iPad.
I am learning to play the piano, but I don't have room voor a acoustic piano or a 88 key stagepiano. Only room for a 73. I am considering the cp73 or the Nord 6hp. How do the keys feel? Is there much difference between the Nord 6hp (same keybed as the Nord Stage 3) and the cp73? I only tried the keys of the CP88 and the stage 3. The CP88 has wood grade keys the cp73 doesn't have.. SO I would love your opinion..
Huge difference in these keyboards. I would go for a CP88 for the authenticity of the key action. Neither the Hp Nord series not the CP73 has a good action for piano, though they are OK.
Yamaha did a good job but for me ... Nord still better ...
51:48 CP80 example, FINALLY! You are the only one who does this properly on UA-cam. The people from Yamaha don't even demonstrate the CP80 sound!! Crazy if you think about it, because the piano literally is called a CP. Thanks a lot.
My opinion: the Yamaha wins hands down.
Glad to help!
It’s interesting how they have some similar patches, Tried both.. nords keybed is like a toy.
Seven the SW action in the Stage 3 Compact and Electro series, is a waterfall action, closer to a Hammond
Organ keybed. It isn’t supposed to feel like a piano, which the Yamaha is designed to do. The Nord comes in HP (hammer action portable) and uses the Fatar TP 100 action, which is like a lightweight piano. It also comes in the 88 key models, which use the Fatar TP40 M action- a more piano like action.
Ben Allen thanks for the info, i guess nord grand will be the answer.... what’s the best nord for a top keyboard doings synth i’m looking at electro or a1?
can you give info on that keyboard stand? Looks really good and functional.
Hi! Thanks for the question. That is actually just a Desk in this case.
Keybed Review?
Hi Ben, your choice for best key action and sound connection between these options: CP88, CP4, Kawai MP7 and RD-2000?. Thanks...!
Hi Sam, two words: comfortable and musical...!
Of those mentioned, the CP88 is by far my favorite for sound and action.
Ok, and please tell your second and third place and why, please... Thanks Ben!...
I think the Nord has a slight edge with the acoustic pianos. The Nord's samples are more realistic in the low bass and and in the higher ranges. However, I think I prefer some of the EP sounds on the CP. I also think the CP has a more aesthetic and intuitive control layout. The price is right on the Yamaha too. The Nord might generally sound a little better, but not $1500 better especially considering I have zero interest in organ sounds.
The only reservation I have with buying the Yamaha right now is the keyboard action. You seem to quite prefer the Nord's action. Ive played a Nord electro 6 with the waterfall action, and I didnt like it much. Felt too springy. So if the action on the Cp73 is worse than that, it might not be for me 😔
The CP73 action is perfectly fine if you are not expecting a piano like action... it gets the job done for EP sounds very well. I get a much much better response from the CP88, however. Nord has more than one action. You have the SW, which is more for Organ centric playing- but they have a HP model as well, which gives you a portable hammer action, though most don’t prefer that one, it is just fine for many others. My solution, is a Nord Electro or Stage, and a good weighted controller.
@@benallen5967 How does the feel of the CP73 action compare to the Nord SW action? I believe the SW is the one I played and I didnt like it.
Does anyone know what keyboard stand Ben is using in this video? I can't find anything that looks like it on the Internet...
It isn’t a keyboard stand. It is this. On-Stage Stands WS7500 Wooden Workstation.
If you want a super solid stand with two tiers, I would check out the K&M Omega with stackers. By far the best I’ve ever used!
Fantastic!! CP88 which one you go with ?
I have a CP88 and Stage 3.
Hi! may I know what keyboard amp your using. Cheers
I don't use keyboard amps. When I was playing here, I used two studio monitors behind me. Those are Focal Shape 65s. I currently have Adam Audio T7Vs in my studio for playing back keys, and when I play live, I use either a QSC K10.2, or normally, 64 Audio IEMs with a Sennheiser G4 IEM system. For the IEMs, I have both a U6t and U12t.
@@benallen5967 Thanks so much.
Ben how are you amplifying the boards?
David, thanks for your question. In this video, I am using an iPhone X to record my voice, but the keyboards are going straight into the interface, so you are not hearing the speakers, except occasionally. For your info though, they are Focal Shape 65s.
Are u realy a pop keyboardist or 70/80/90s pop music go Yamaha but if u re making from jazz to alternative go for nord this argument works for all Yamaha vs nord comp. (İn my op)
nord sounds very natural, yamaha is very synthetic, nord is a favorite in all respects
New CP is the Back Nord. But more natural.
sorry cant Hear Any difference in the Sound but maybe there are different in in the functions
Hi Ben!
What is the best CP70/80 sound in your opinion?
CP1
CP5
CP4
CP88
Thanks!
The CP88/CP73 has the best CP70/80 sound of those mentioned, in my opinion.
@@benallen5967 Thanks!!!
@@benallen5967 Hi Ben!Another question about that.
The best CP70/80 sound?
Montage or CP88/73?
And what the best CP70/80 sound among all the brands that sounds like the real CP70/80?
Thanks again!
That is very subjective - play them all and see what you think!
@@benallen5967 Ok. I gonna do that. I believe you have play all them. What would you buy just for the CP 80 sound. Forget all the Rodes and the Acoustic pianos, and of course the real thing. It's too heavy and rare.
Thanks!
NORD all the way!!!!!!!
no hay comparacion el leslie del nord para mi gusto
I agree.
Hi Ben. It is possible to do split of piano? And when I do split, the left side with sustain pedal and without sustain? its possible?
Thanks!
On the Nord Stage 3, yes - each side of the split on one panel which gives you the potential for separate effects and sustain/resonance/release options
@@metanoiacoaching thanks. Is it possible in Yamaha?
I soldy stage 2, sold my electro 5, sold my cp4 and i sold my rd 800... Now im planning to buy a keyboard again. Im thinking of getting an electro 6 or yamaha yc 61. Or maybe a modx7. 😢😢 what do you think sir?
Buy nord grandstage.
Nord Stage You mean a Nord Grand
What kind of speakers are you using? When I put my Nord Stage 3 through a QSC, the piano sounds sound like shit. With regard to the Yamaha CP, that’s an expensive keyboard when comparing to Yamaha P-125, which has 88 keys, is lighter, and has more piano sounds.
Hey Mike! I use Focal Shape 65s in my studio setup, and two QSC K10.2s live, or more often, I use in ears which are Sennheiser EW IEM G4 transmitter and pack, with Westone W60 in ears. I'm not sure why you mention the P-125 here, as that is a significantly different instrument than the CP series. The sounds may be more plentiful in the P series, but construction, sound quality, and keyboard action are much much better in the CP series.
NORD STAGE 3 AND YOUR YAMAHA CP88 have TOO BETTER SOUND QUALITY. BRILLIANT BRILLIANT VERY NICE 😍😍😙😚🎹🎹🎹🎶🎶🎵🎸
How are you M. R. Ben? It's very high quality sound. GRAND PIANO is realistic your NORD STAGE 3
U1: 53:08
Please compare the uprights pianos
Jeffrey Reid I did. Start at 52:58
The Yamaha is good, but to my ear the Nord just blows it out of the water
Thanks for the feedback, James!
Really? they dont sound THAT different.
The Nord sounds way better than the Yamaha.And I'm a CP4 owner.
Hi,do you think that the CP4 is better than the CP88,(because of the different sound synthesis method)?thank you!
No, I would say the user interface, soundest, and simplicity as well as build quality of the CP88 make it a better instrument overall.
@@benallen5967 thank you very much!
@@benallen5967 I don't think so...you can't sample on the CP88, no ADSR or any synth parameters like the Stage 3 and....MIDI is overall better on the Stage, The only thing it tops Nord is the action, EPs and FM in my opinion. With the Nord you would really have to tweak them.
@@tuneunleashed my reply above is contrasting the CP4 and CP88, nothing to do with Nord.
Yamaha a better choice feels and sound more real
Thanks for the Feedback.
wow, I know the yamaha is pretty awsome but sounds like a toy compared to the nord
yamaha cp best
Nord stage super
Yamaha CP and YC have NO MELLOTRON!!
it's false
I love the pianos on both. But I wouldn't buy either keyboard. I'll stick with my RD-2000, which has a better keybed than than all three keyboards: CP73, CP88 and nord. Plus you get MUCH more for your money with the RD-2000. I am going to get NOIRE from Native Instruments, which is also the Yamaha CFX 9ft Grand for $150us.
MusikOne I’ll agree with you the RD-2000 is a much more capable instrument, but I much prefer the NW action in the CP88 to the PHA50 in the Roland.
@@benallen5967 It's a matter of personal preference. Right now you have the CP73, are you going to switch to the CP88 and keep it?
MusikOne I actually don’t have the CP73. I only have a Nord Stage 3 Compact and Studiologic SL88 Grand. The CP73 was borrowed from Yamaha for a few days for the review, and videos. Though I have access to MANY keyboards at work (Sweetwater) I only had the CP73 a few days.
@@benallen5967 Sweetwater, awesome. So you are in Ohio.
MusikOne Actually, Fort Wayne, IN.
And the winner is ............
Instrumentalists Jade whichever you prefer, though I say, use both! A CP88 would make a great companion to a Nord Stage 3 Compact, or Electro.
👍🏼👍🏼 i agree sir.. my electro 5 and cp4 works well together.. Im tired upgrading 😂😂 coz after a while another new one again will be released
Nord (Top)
Nord so better!!
The Yamaha is more warmer
Interesting observation.
Nord organ is killer! Not so on Yamaha.
Yamaha, all day long.