This was done superbly. You should have way more subs! I just came across your channel and sub'd. Excellent job sir. What makes it SO good is how you wanted it to be truly fair across the board. With how you set everything up. Most youtubers do a AMP' shootout and play two different songs with each amp and are EQ'd completely different. So as a listener it's really not a true comparison. GJ my friend.
Thanks allot Pete for your great feedback! The EVH is a fantastic amp which cuts through pretty well and basically an evolution of the good old Peavy 5150
@@MassiveSoundProductions exactly right and Five Finger Death Punch uses the EVH 5150 amp and they are really good metal band. I love ENGL amps but the Revv sounds really nice. Germans know how to build amps! I love my Bogner Uberschall amp.
I could tell the diezels and the 5150 right away. Honestly, all of these amps are great. My only problem with the MT14 is the amount of hiss it has. Didn’t expect that when I first got it. The Revv is amazing though. Really want one now. Great video and great mix 🤘🏽
Thanks allot Deanathan for your fantastic feedback and comment. You are absolutely right with the hiss of the MT14. Mine still hast the stock preamp tubes in it but it might be an idea to swap them which might help here. The Revv as well as the ENGL Retro were my two big surprises last year, didn't planned to add new tube amps to my collections but these two were a must buy :D
Loved the 3, 2 and 7. I owned a PRS Archon and absolutely loved it. Perhaps that's why I loved the MT-15. I really wanted to listen the VH4 but was surprised I preferred the Herbert. Great video!
Thanks Carlos for your great feedback. Although I love the VH4, in my opinion it shines much more if the guitars arent tuned down. One of the bests guitar sounds I ever heard: Gibson Les Paul in standard tuning, Diezel VH4 and a Mesa Cab :D, but for lower tunings I prefer modern voiced amps. The MT-15 is a great amp for the money, would love to test an Archon one day :)
Dank dir ganz herzlich für dein Feedback 😊! Ich war von der ersten Sekunde so begeistert wie du. Die Sounds hätte ich auch aufgrund des Namens niemals so erwartet, der kann von Retro bis zu Modern alles par excellence 😋
That's exactly what I liked so much on this :D. If I would do a final mix on this song using these amps I would probably go for a mix of the Revv and one of the ENGL or the EVH to have best of both world :)
I don't play much Metal, I play rock and like JCM 800, Bogner Shiva, Friedman JJ...BUT, to me the VH4 and REV really stood out in the mix! Nice video!!
Thanks so much for your great feedback Joe. The JCM is such a killer amp as well, always been a Marshall fan as these amps always have great tones without allot of tweaking.
Evh & PRS were my favorites which is weird because I sold both of these long ago and now regret it after this video :( Excellent shoot out video thanks!
Thanks for your great feedback Ozell! Both the EVH as well as the PRS MT cut through pretty nicely in the mix. They both sound nicely through my Mesa 2x12 cab as well, you can't go wrong with either of these two especially when looking at their fair price tag :D
I have a revv 120 and if you can afford it its a must. So many features and such a cut through tone plus the xlr out and built in two nots is awesome. It also has a built in revv noise gate. You can flavor as needed with pedals. The vh4 has to be the most unique tone on the planet. You always know it when you hear it. Vh4 or vhx will be my next amp.
Thanks for your comment Kenneth. Def. a bit jealous you're having a Revv 120. A super sick amp, but love my Revv 100 too 😊. Both a VH4 as well as a VHX will be a great complement. Keep me updated how you decided and let me know how you like it compared to the Revv 😃
At first listen, I liked 5,6, and 3, in that order. The MT15 is the best bang for your buck. Sounds like it’ll cut through the mix, the best of all the amps shown here. Well done with the comparison! BTW, I own both Engl and Diezel. This may have sold me an MT15.
Thanks for your comment and great feedback :)! The MT15 is indeed a great amp for the money and imo, next to the small REVV amps, the best lunchbox amp out there. One of the reasons is that he has two 6L6 tubes in the amp section, which in my opinion makes a huge difference to the, in this size, very often used EL84.
Thanks allot for your feedback Music inside. I just had a chat with a good friend yesterday telling him that the Retro surprised me allot and is currently one of my top three tube amp sounds. The MT15 for his form factor and money is a fantastic amp as well :)
@@MassiveSoundProductions I agree, happy for you man that you have them. I love tube amps but I give up real quick on them because I hate to carrythem around and then you know, extra noise gate, extra captor, extra boost, delay, bla bla bla , it becomes too much stuff. But they are amazing. Never been a big fan of engl, but recently I heard the Inferno and I think together with the retro they are among the best I've ever heard.
@@musicsurfandrats Fully understand your point regarding the effort you have when playing them live. For this I prefer amp modelers these days as well. Actually I havent been an ENGL fan for years as well (always been a Diezel/Marshall/5150 type of guy), but the Smolski and even more the Retro changed my mind a bit.
Both Engl's are the winners here for me. I tested a Engl Retro a couple of years ago and was really impressed but bought a Mesa Dual Rec from a friend of mine pretty cheap, so i had to... otherwise a retro would now stand in my room 😊
Thanks a lot for your comment Florian. Fully agree, the Retro was a big surprise to me as well and as I got a sensational deal on the ENGL I had to get it immediately. The Recto is a all time classic which you cant go wrong with too :D
@@GuitarsAndSynths I played the Savage SE some years ago and was blown away by it. If I wouldnt have so many tube amps already it would be on my wish list as well ;)
Dank dir ganz herzlich Jean für das klasse Feedback und ja, der MT15 hat mich damals schon direkt beim Kauf sehr überzeugt. Der kann wunderbar mit den Großen mithalten :D
@@MassiveSoundProductions no problem. I currently own a raider 100 and a powerball 2 and for bass I own the mini ampeg svt. On the wishlist are still the savage 120 and the artist edition and for bass I am really impressed with the darkglass stuff.
@@johnnysguitarcorner5510 These are all great amps on your wishlist. I havent played the Savage 120 but a bandmate had the SE for quite a while which a loved allot. Especially with the ENGL v30 or the Mesa cab it sounded phenomenal :D
@@MassiveSoundProductions yeah I can imagine. I love my Engl's so much, especially my powerball 2. For some reason if I plug into another amp I feel weird and crappy when playing. Maybe their biggest quality is that they can hide bad playing🤣. Seriously Engl was my first amp ever and I stick by them and I haven't heard an amp that is more pissed off, clear and bass responsive at the same time and over the years and I tried a lot of amps.
@@johnnysguitarcorner5510 Sounds like you definitely four the amp brand which fits 110% to your needs and playing style :D. And you are right the natural compression of the typical ENGL sound definitely helps in your playing, which I like as well. As much as I love my ENGLs I still couldnt life without my other babies where every single amp has its unique, lovely flavour :)
Excellent demo and playing. Germans really know how to build great amps and cars. Cab is way more important than most realize. I had my Bogner Uberschall thru an Orange 4x12 cab with V30 speakers and it sounded really bad. Then when I ran it through a Bogner Uberkab with a mix of V30 and G12 speakers it sounds great. Revv and Diezel are my favorites here. I would get a Revv as half the cost of a Diezel here in the USA.
Thanks a lot for your great feedback and happy you liked my little video/demo 😊! Fully agree with you on the importance of the cab in the overall sound. Can't repeat saying this often enough, it`s (in my view) the most important part in the signal chain. The Revv is a fantastic amp and sound wise I like both my Diezel as well as my REVV the same, both have something unique in their voicing which I really love. From the pure build quality a Diezel is still in its own league, but also the Revv is made solid. Good to have such great choices 😃
@@MassiveSoundProductions you are welcome buddy and taking the time and effort to compare high end amps is challenging. Ideally would love a Diezel Herbert, ENGL Savage, Revv Generator, KSR Gemini and Omega Obsidian but that amount of amps would cost me a small fortune. I am happy with my Mezzabarba MZero and Bogner Uberschall. If I cannot record an album of rock and metal music with these two amazing amps then I need to practice harder and work on my recording skills!
@@GuitarsAndSynths Fully agree, some tasty equipment can help finding your sound and maybe motivate to practice but in the end you have to learn how to use your instrument, amps and recording stuff to get where you want to be.
@@MassiveSoundProductions right now I am using the new Diezel VH4 amp model on my HX Stomp and love it so Diezel VH4 will be my next amp with Columbus MIDI switcher. I need a true 4 channel MIDI switcher high end amp for studio work. Looking at VHX but like run pedals separate.
@@GuitarsAndSynths The Diezel VH4 is a great choice and surely an alltime classic which you can't go wrong with. I unfortunately didnt had the chance to test the VHX which I'm super curious about. Having a Diezel combined with all the modern features sounds super interesting to me.
Thanks for your comment John! If you arent a ENGL fan yet (I wasnt one for years too) try out the Retro if you can. I felt in love with its sound, as it has its own raw character, less clean/sterile than the typical ENGL sound but you can still hear its origin.
No surprises. VH 4 was my fav. But man, was incredibly impressed by the REVV. I need one of those. I did not like the PRS one bit, and not the EVH either. But the latter came as no surprise either. Never cared for it at all. So hard to choose as they do a great job. In general terms, I like Diezel and Engl, and that's also what's in my racks.
Thanks for your comment! I was similar impressed when I heard the Revv the first time over my Mesa 2x12. This and the ENGL Retro were the biggest surprises and directly made it into my updated top 5 amp list ;)
It's not hard to guess some amp models before labels were revealed. You definitely know what you hear when diezel and engl playing .They have easy-to-recognize characters. The surprise for me here is how good retro sounds to my ears comparing to VS. The rest I failed to guess but surprised how good MT-15 sounds comparing to really big and expensive boys when labels were revealed
Thanks allot for your comment Max. The retro surprised me allot from day one I was lucky to play it. The sound you get with this beast is something you really not expect when reading the name ;). And the MT-15 for me is still the best lunchbox amp out there which mustn't hide behind the big boys :D.
echt coole Vergleichung! es wäre super die Amps mit verschiedene Lautsprechern auch hören zu können, bspw. V30 vs Greenbacks.. es interessiert mich besonders die VH4, PRS und MT. Grüße
Dank dir ganz herzlich für dein klasse Feedback Getulio. Ich werde mal schauen was ich in Zukunft noch für Vergleiche unter bekomme, unterschiedliche Boxen/Impulseantworten machen natürlich nochmal einen riesen Soundunterschied. Der VH4 z.B. gefällt mir außerdem am allerbesten im Standard-Tuning, für Tiefergestimmtes gibt es meiner Meinung nach Amps die das besser umsetzen.
Nice! My favorite lead tone is the Mesa Mark V Mark IV mode. For heavy rhythm love my PRS Archon 100, an Uber, diesel or Engl. Love Revv and KSR too. Any thoughts on an amp that can do that liquid smooth singing lead on one channel and chug on another?
Hi Rich, thanks for your comment! You have a nice amp collection as well :D. Like the PRS Archon as well. If you ask me for one amp to rule it all I would name my Diezel Herbert which is a keeper when played in a live situation. Unfortunately I`m still struggling to bring this massive tone the Herbert has in a room on a record. The second amp I would currently choose is the ENGL Retro which was a huge surprise to me when I first played it over my Mesa cab and which does a great job on both leads and heavy rhythms.
I liked the most engl retro, than EVH, than engl smolski. Didnt like at all diezel vh4 and revv. Herbert sounded nice however revv had to my ears to much midrange. PRS sounded good in the mix however by itself you can hear that bass is little bit mushy and not tight in comparison to bigger amps. But honestly in the mix the difference between amps was not that huge as I expected. I think also youtube compress the sound a lot. Otherwise great comparison. Keep doing such an interesting videos. You can make plugin vs real amp.
Thanks allot Alexandr for your comment! You are absolutely right that the sound difference between the amps isn't huge in a mix, main reason is that I always used the same IR for cab/mic which plays an important role in the sound. I definitely have plans for some more videos like this and also hope to get my hands on a Quad Cortex from Neural DSP which I can compare to my Helix and AxeFX.
@@MassiveSoundProductions In my opinion cab IR makes much bigger impact on the sound than different amp. I have at home Engl Fireball 60 and using Suhr Reactive Load as a load box and the sound difference between IRs is massive. It is much easier to put in the mix on the left and right different IR and that's it . Also I have at Mercuriall plugins (Reaxis, U 530) and UAD SE-100 as I have Apollo Twin interface. I was listening on youtube on comparison between ReAxis VS Mesa Boogie TriAxis, U530 VS ENGL E530 and the plugin sound the same as real deal. I was thinking what a hell technology moved so much forward that real amps are not needed. However I bought myself Suhr reactive load and compared my Engl Fireball against the plugins with same IRs from Glenn Fricker IR Pack the sound difference was massive. Real amp sounded much fuller, lively, organically. Plug-ins still had some digital stuff in the them and didn't sound that huge. Especially it was much more enjoyable to play through real amp. It is also important to mention that there is big difference among load boxes. When I compared Suhr against Two Notes stuff Suhr played much better. UA-cam compress sound and it is hard to hear real differences between guitars, amps..........
@@alexandrnikiti5895 Fully agree to all you said. We are in a super lucky situation to have all these incredible choices these days which gave us such infinite possibilities in how to get a great sound. Thinking back how it was 20+ years ago we are really gifted with the situation today :)
Massive Sound Productions Definitely we are lucky that we live in this age were we can easily record our ideas in such a easy way and with such a huge possibilities.
I vote the 1st Deizel and the Revv. Sounded most balanced. Some others had some compressed tone qualities that might be better for certain playing styles. (Listened on phone speaker today)
The ENGLs and the EVH like you said are more compressed sounding, which can be nice in certain situations as well. If you want to hear some more sound examples of the Diezel, Revv as well as the ENGL Retro, maybe check out my Quad Cortex captures video as well :). The ENGL Retro is an amazing amp which I like allot as well.
Thanks for your comment Arnel, the ENGL indeed are fantastic amps with a very special sound character. If you get the chance try the ENGL Retro, which was a big surprise to me when I first heard it :)
Thanks for your comment Will. The MT-15 indeed is a fantastic amp and doesn't has to hide behind his big brothers. Great value for money and my favorite lunch box amp.
Thanks Adrienne for your comment. The Herbert is (by far) my favourite amp for modern metal when played live. Its in the room sound and feel is just something to die for :D
Thanks Markus for your comment. The Retro is the one which I use the most at the moment, for me a little underrated and one of my favourite ENGL amps :)
@@MassiveSoundProductions i have to say all of them sound quite similar, but the Revv has really its own personality. And sounds specially present in the mix.
@@niko13music Absolutely, this is also a great example how important a cab is to form the overall sound. But we as typical guitarists still buy more guitars than any other gear 😜
Phew, that's a tough one. Personally I would most likely choose between the Revv and the Engl. But best is to try yourself and while using your own cabinet. Not every amp will sound great on all cabs.
I'm surprised the herbert sounded so bad. Any chance you'd ever do another video like this but make every amp sound as good as they could individually and have less post processing? I've been thinking about buying a herbert and after that I'm not sure
Hi Darren, thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if I find the time to do another video like this but you can hear the Herbert in my latest video as well and surely in one or another video in the future. Independent from the recordings here and what I can generally say about the Herbert is that it is in my opinion the best sounding amp for modern Metal which I have, at least when played live over my Mesa cab. Unfortunately I'm struggling a bit to capture its massive sound and bring it on a record, other amps in general seem to be easier to record. In the end the best would be you try the Herbert yourself and with your own cab, which can make a huge difference.
@@MassiveSoundProductions thanks for that information, I'll check out your other video. I'm an amature and only record for myself but when I try to get the tones of the rectifier that I like recorded I can never get it t recorded the way I hear it and when I try to get those tones down that I hear I usually end up making it worse. It's that 3-d low end I think, amps that have great lows are hard to get those lowes recorded in a way that work so you can hear what you hear in a room so I can somewhat relate. My evh 100w stealth is so much easier to get it to sound good recorded. It very tight and most of it's sound doesn't come from the low end. At least that's my theory lol. Thanks again, I'll go check out your other video
@@YTDarren0203 Fully agree with your theory about the difficulty to bring the bass response which you hear in real life similarly on a record. Amps like the Herbert or a Recto which have their strength here might be harder to record in some situations like other amps. Especially when I will start recording my EP I will definitely do some more sound tweaking and see which amps sound works best for me on the recording, then I will also try to get the best possible from the Herbert and maybe it can beat my current favorite recorded sounds from my ENGL Retro and my REVV ;)
@@MassiveSoundProductions It's because the Herbert is a 180 w so it's not the same headroom. In a real recording situation with a real cab, you have to push this amp really loud to have a massive sound coming out of the amp. Really cool amp but maybe too much headroom...
@@talkinghelpless3093 Thanks for your comment. I'm of course aware that the Herb is much more powerful. The sound of the Diezels mainly come from their preamp, the power section has less influence on the overall sound. But independently from this I find the amazing in the room sound of the Diezels not that easy to bring on a recording. From my experience there are other amps which are easier to capture.
I have a Revv 120P on order right now and a used 5150 100 stealth just came up locally. Not super cheap, but $500 less than new. Telling myself I don't need it because the Revv will make it redundant. This is hard!
Great choice! The Revv will fit perfect next to your 5150. They are both fantastic amps and I'm sure you will have the feeling that they will complement each other well. Let me know which one you like most and why :)
@@MassiveSoundProductions Oh, I haven't bought the 5150. It's only $300 less than a new one. I'd rather wait till they come back in stock. Every time I buy a used amp it seems to need new power tubes, despite what the seller says and that's your $300 gone.
@@EdwardKayeplus Haha, I know what you mean. Used amps are by nature advertised with new power tubes but in the end they have already been played for the last few years 😉🙈. It's still a great amp although I slightly prefer the Revv 🤘
The ENGL Retro and Herbert sounded the biggest and smoothest to me. EVH sounded balanced. Big but not as huge as the Retro or Herb, but maybe slightly clearer, more articulate? Very good. VH4 sounded like hot garbage.
Thanks allot for your comment :)! The EVH would probably combine well in recording with some of the bigger sounding amps. Overall the Herbert is my personal favorite amp in my collection, not only due to this recording example but also based on the sound I get over my Mesa and Diezel cabinets.
The easiest to identify for me was the Revv. Overall, my preference went as follows: Revv>Engl>EVH>PRS>Diezels. I was actually quite shocked at how much I disliked the Diezels as opposed to what I expected.
Thanks allot for your comment Christian. You come very close to my overall preference. As I used the exact same IRs for all the amps the ranking could change with some other speaker/mics combinations. I'm a huge fan of the Diezel Herbert which sounds absolutely massive on my 2x12 Mesa cab, but on this recording I agree that some other amps shine more.
Liked the EVH the most. The Diezel's in particular sounded muddy, flat, almost like an unboosted Recto. Didn't care for the PRS either. The others were decent.
Thanks allot for your comment Dan! I personally had quite a similar feeling like you that the Diezels couldnt fully show their strength with this particular IR (cab/mic) combination. In a live situation and when played over my Mesa 2x12 cab the Herbert is my absolute favorite amp.
@@MassiveSoundProductions I borrowed a Herbert for a few weeks and played it next to a Mesa IIC+, it’s a pretty awesome amp. But it sounded great on some cabs, not great on others. Recording amps can be quite the rabbit hole but you did a great overall job.
@@danyeo Thanks for your great feedback Dan and happy you liked the video :)! I also experienced that the Diezels, similar to Mesa amps, are more picky about the cab than some other brands, but if you find the right match they really shine to me. In the end it is great to have so many choices, even in a century which gets more and more dominated from the digital modelling world ;)
This was done superbly. You should have way more subs! I just came across your channel and sub'd. Excellent job sir. What makes it SO good is how you wanted it to be truly fair across the board. With how you set everything up. Most youtubers do a AMP' shootout and play two different songs with each amp and are EQ'd completely different. So as a listener it's really not a true comparison. GJ my friend.
Wow thanks Gladicuss for your fantastic feedback...means allot to me 🤘!
EVH really surprised me how good It sounds. Also really good comparison. Thx
Thanks allot Pete for your great feedback! The EVH is a fantastic amp which cuts through pretty well and basically an evolution of the good old Peavy 5150
@@MassiveSoundProductions exactly right and Five Finger Death Punch uses the EVH 5150 amp and they are really good metal band. I love ENGL amps but the Revv sounds really nice. Germans know how to build amps! I love my Bogner Uberschall amp.
I could tell the diezels and the 5150 right away. Honestly, all of these amps are great. My only problem with the MT14 is the amount of hiss it has. Didn’t expect that when I first got it. The Revv is amazing though. Really want one now. Great video and great mix 🤘🏽
Thanks allot Deanathan for your fantastic feedback and comment. You are absolutely right with the hiss of the MT14. Mine still hast the stock preamp tubes in it but it might be an idea to swap them which might help here. The Revv as well as the ENGL Retro were my two big surprises last year, didn't planned to add new tube amps to my collections but these two were a must buy :D
@@MassiveSoundProductions also throw a noise gate in the FX loop of the amp to reduce hiss. I do this with my amps and really helps a lot.
Loved the 3, 2 and 7. I owned a PRS Archon and absolutely loved it. Perhaps that's why I loved the MT-15. I really wanted to listen the VH4 but was surprised I preferred the Herbert. Great video!
Thanks Carlos for your great feedback. Although I love the VH4, in my opinion it shines much more if the guitars arent tuned down. One of the bests guitar sounds I ever heard: Gibson Les Paul in standard tuning, Diezel VH4 and a Mesa Cab :D, but for lower tunings I prefer modern voiced amps. The MT-15 is a great amp for the money, would love to test an Archon one day :)
In a mix I think the Diezel VH4 and Revv really stands out. My old go to amps, 5150 and ENGL are excellent amps as well.
Agrre, the VH4 and Revv have something which let them stand out in a mix/band. And there was no bad surprise, every amp sounded great on its own
Der Engl Retro 50 klingt ja Hammer 🤯 Vielen Dank für das Video!
Dank dir ganz herzlich für dein Feedback 😊! Ich war von der ersten Sekunde so begeistert wie du. Die Sounds hätte ich auch aufgrund des Namens niemals so erwartet, der kann von Retro bis zu Modern alles par excellence 😋
Fantastic comparison!
Thanks allot Joe for your feedback, happy you like it :)!
Great job. 👍🏻
The mids of the Revv are like a punch straight into your face. Awesome
That's exactly what I liked so much on this :D. If I would do a final mix on this song using these amps I would probably go for a mix of the Revv and one of the ENGL or the EVH to have best of both world :)
I hear it more like a super rough grit. A really cool sound that tears the wallpaper off the walls:)
I do love the Diezels and the Revv was great too
I don't play much Metal, I play rock and like JCM 800, Bogner Shiva, Friedman JJ...BUT, to me the VH4 and REV really stood out in the mix! Nice video!!
Thanks so much for your great feedback Joe. The JCM is such a killer amp as well, always been a Marshall fan as these amps always have great tones without allot of tweaking.
Evh & PRS were my favorites which is weird because I sold both of these long ago and now regret it after this video :( Excellent shoot out video thanks!
Thanks for your great feedback Ozell! Both the EVH as well as the PRS MT cut through pretty nicely in the mix. They both sound nicely through my Mesa 2x12 cab as well, you can't go wrong with either of these two especially when looking at their fair price tag :D
OKAY so I really liked the PRS, REVV and EVH
I have a revv 120 and if you can afford it its a must. So many features and such a cut through tone plus the xlr out and built in two nots is awesome. It also has a built in revv noise gate. You can flavor as needed with pedals. The vh4 has to be the most unique tone on the planet. You always know it when you hear it. Vh4 or vhx will be my next amp.
Thanks for your comment Kenneth. Def. a bit jealous you're having a Revv 120. A super sick amp, but love my Revv 100 too 😊. Both a VH4 as well as a VHX will be a great complement. Keep me updated how you decided and let me know how you like it compared to the Revv 😃
At first listen, I liked 5,6, and 3, in that order. The MT15 is the best bang for your buck. Sounds like it’ll cut through the mix, the best of all the amps shown here.
Well done with the comparison!
BTW, I own both Engl and Diezel. This may have sold me an MT15.
Thanks for your comment and great feedback :)! The MT15 is indeed a great amp for the money and imo, next to the small REVV amps, the best lunchbox amp out there. One of the reasons is that he has two 6L6 tubes in the amp section, which in my opinion makes a huge difference to the, in this size, very often used EL84.
Great video!! Thank you!! My problem with this shootout is that they all sound great!!
What you describe is exactly my general problem with guitar gear and the reason of this horrible gear acquisition syndrome 😂🙈
Terrific tones and comparison! 🤘🏽 Really hard to choice one 😅
Thanks allot Juanito for your great feedback 😊! And fully agree, dependent on my mood I always like a different one better 😅
I liked the ENGL Special Edition.
The SE is a fantastic amp. Was close buying one some years ago and still think it's one of the best sounding and surely most flexible ENGL amps
The retro blew everything out of the water for me, loved it and honestly wasnt expecting that sound from that amp. Also the MT15 is a beast.
Thanks allot for your feedback Music inside. I just had a chat with a good friend yesterday telling him that the Retro surprised me allot and is currently one of my top three tube amp sounds. The MT15 for his form factor and money is a fantastic amp as well :)
@@MassiveSoundProductions I agree, happy for you man that you have them. I love tube amps but I give up real quick on them because I hate to carrythem around and then you know, extra noise gate, extra captor, extra boost, delay, bla bla bla , it becomes too much stuff. But they are amazing. Never been a big fan of engl, but recently I heard the Inferno and I think together with the retro they are among the best I've ever heard.
@@musicsurfandrats Fully understand your point regarding the effort you have when playing them live. For this I prefer amp modelers these days as well. Actually I havent been an ENGL fan for years as well (always been a Diezel/Marshall/5150 type of guy), but the Smolski and even more the Retro changed my mind a bit.
@@MassiveSoundProductions Yes the Smolski is also bad ass!
Both Engl's are the winners here for me. I tested a Engl Retro a couple of years ago and was really impressed but bought a Mesa Dual Rec from a friend of mine pretty cheap, so i had to... otherwise a retro would now stand in my room 😊
Thanks a lot for your comment Florian. Fully agree, the Retro was a big surprise to me as well and as I got a sensational deal on the ENGL I had to get it immediately. The Recto is a all time classic which you cant go wrong with too :D
Germans make awesome amps. I love ENGL amps and saving for a Savage and Diezel.
@@GuitarsAndSynths I played the Savage SE some years ago and was blown away by it. If I wouldnt have so many tube amps already it would be on my wish list as well ;)
Klasse Vergleich! Der kleine MT15 macht ein guten Job. But I Love All Amps.
Dank dir ganz herzlich Jean für das klasse Feedback und ja, der MT15 hat mich damals schon direkt beim Kauf sehr überzeugt. Der kann wunderbar mit den Großen mithalten :D
Great amp collection and playing man, killer. It shows that my ongoing mad gas for ENGL is still justified.
Thanks allot for your fantastic feedback Johnny! An ENGL gas is something I would never call mad ;). Which amps do you have already?
@@MassiveSoundProductions no problem. I currently own a raider 100 and a powerball 2 and for bass I own the mini ampeg svt. On the wishlist are still the savage 120 and the artist edition and for bass I am really impressed with the darkglass stuff.
@@johnnysguitarcorner5510 These are all great amps on your wishlist. I havent played the Savage 120 but a bandmate had the SE for quite a while which a loved allot. Especially with the ENGL v30 or the Mesa cab it sounded phenomenal :D
@@MassiveSoundProductions yeah I can imagine. I love my Engl's so much, especially my powerball 2. For some reason if I plug into another amp I feel weird and crappy when playing. Maybe their biggest quality is that they can hide bad playing🤣. Seriously Engl was my first amp ever and I stick by them and I haven't heard an amp that is more pissed off, clear and bass responsive at the same time and over the years and I tried a lot of amps.
@@johnnysguitarcorner5510 Sounds like you definitely four the amp brand which fits 110% to your needs and playing style :D. And you are right the natural compression of the typical ENGL sound definitely helps in your playing, which I like as well. As much as I love my ENGLs I still couldnt life without my other babies where every single amp has its unique, lovely flavour :)
Excellent demo and playing. Germans really know how to build great amps and cars. Cab is way more important than most realize. I had my Bogner Uberschall thru an Orange 4x12 cab with V30 speakers and it sounded really bad. Then when I ran it through a Bogner Uberkab with a mix of V30 and G12 speakers it sounds great. Revv and Diezel are my favorites here. I would get a Revv as half the cost of a Diezel here in the USA.
Thanks a lot for your great feedback and happy you liked my little video/demo 😊! Fully agree with you on the importance of the cab in the overall sound. Can't repeat saying this often enough, it`s (in my view) the most important part in the signal chain. The Revv is a fantastic amp and sound wise I like both my Diezel as well as my REVV the same, both have something unique in their voicing which I really love. From the pure build quality a Diezel is still in its own league, but also the Revv is made solid. Good to have such great choices 😃
@@MassiveSoundProductions you are welcome buddy and taking the time and effort to compare high end amps is challenging. Ideally would love a Diezel Herbert, ENGL Savage, Revv Generator, KSR Gemini and Omega Obsidian but that amount of amps would cost me a small fortune. I am happy with my Mezzabarba MZero and Bogner Uberschall. If I cannot record an album of rock and metal music with these two amazing amps then I need to practice harder and work on my recording skills!
@@GuitarsAndSynths Fully agree, some tasty equipment can help finding your sound and maybe motivate to practice but in the end you have to learn how to use your instrument, amps and recording stuff to get where you want to be.
@@MassiveSoundProductions right now I am using the new Diezel VH4 amp model on my HX Stomp and love it so Diezel VH4 will be my next amp with Columbus MIDI switcher. I need a true 4 channel MIDI switcher high end amp for studio work. Looking at VHX but like run pedals separate.
@@GuitarsAndSynths The Diezel VH4 is a great choice and surely an alltime classic which you can't go wrong with. I unfortunately didnt had the chance to test the VHX which I'm super curious about. Having a Diezel combined with all the modern features sounds super interesting to me.
I really liked the VH4.
not gonna lie, I assumed that I really didn't like ENGL amps but they were by far my favourite in this comparison!
Thanks for your comment John! If you arent a ENGL fan yet (I wasnt one for years too) try out the Retro if you can. I felt in love with its sound, as it has its own raw character, less clean/sterile than the typical ENGL sound but you can still hear its origin.
Never assume. Engl and Diezel are behind a lot of the sound you hear on recordings, despite what a players endorsement deal might lead you to believe.
Love the ENGL Smolski 1st and EVH 2nd imho
Evh all day. Only a 50 watt as well. Killer
50 watt is definitely way than enough for me and with that it gets into its sound comfort zone much easier 🤘
Took me a long time to decide but the 5150 and both Engl amps
5150 sat well in the mix.
Killer sounding amp which indeed cuts through well 😃
Really well done! Thanks
Thanks Curt for your great feedback :)!!
No surprises. VH 4 was my fav.
But man, was incredibly impressed by the REVV. I need one of those.
I did not like the PRS one bit, and not the EVH either. But the latter came as no surprise either. Never cared for it at all.
So hard to choose as they do a great job. In general terms, I like Diezel and Engl, and that's also what's in my racks.
Thanks for your comment! I was similar impressed when I heard the Revv the first time over my Mesa 2x12. This and the ENGL Retro were the biggest surprises and directly made it into my updated top 5 amp list ;)
It's not hard to guess some amp models before labels were revealed. You definitely know what you hear when diezel and engl playing .They have easy-to-recognize characters. The surprise for me here is how good retro sounds to my ears comparing to VS. The rest I failed to guess but surprised how good MT-15 sounds comparing to really big and expensive boys when labels were revealed
Thanks allot for your comment Max. The retro surprised me allot from day one I was lucky to play it. The sound you get with this beast is something you really not expect when reading the name ;). And the MT-15 for me is still the best lunchbox amp out there which mustn't hide behind the big boys :D.
echt coole Vergleichung! es wäre super die Amps mit verschiedene Lautsprechern auch hören zu können, bspw. V30 vs Greenbacks.. es interessiert mich besonders die VH4, PRS und MT. Grüße
Dank dir ganz herzlich für dein klasse Feedback Getulio. Ich werde mal schauen was ich in Zukunft noch für Vergleiche unter bekomme, unterschiedliche Boxen/Impulseantworten machen natürlich nochmal einen riesen Soundunterschied. Der VH4 z.B. gefällt mir außerdem am allerbesten im Standard-Tuning, für Tiefergestimmtes gibt es meiner Meinung nach Amps die das besser umsetzen.
Nice!
My favorite lead tone is the Mesa Mark V Mark IV mode. For heavy rhythm love my PRS Archon 100, an Uber, diesel or Engl. Love Revv and KSR too.
Any thoughts on an amp that can do that liquid smooth singing lead on one channel and chug on another?
Hi Rich, thanks for your comment! You have a nice amp collection as well :D. Like the PRS Archon as well. If you ask me for one amp to rule it all I would name my Diezel Herbert which is a keeper when played in a live situation. Unfortunately I`m still struggling to bring this massive tone the Herbert has in a room on a record. The second amp I would currently choose is the ENGL Retro which was a huge surprise to me when I first played it over my Mesa cab and which does a great job on both leads and heavy rhythms.
I liked the most engl retro, than EVH, than engl smolski. Didnt like at all diezel vh4 and revv. Herbert sounded nice however revv had to my ears to much midrange. PRS sounded good in the mix however by itself you can hear that bass is little bit mushy and not tight in comparison to bigger amps. But honestly in the mix the difference between amps was not that huge as I expected. I think also youtube compress the sound a lot. Otherwise great comparison. Keep doing such an interesting videos. You can make plugin vs real amp.
Thanks allot Alexandr for your comment! You are absolutely right that the sound difference between the amps isn't huge in a mix, main reason is that I always used the same IR for cab/mic which plays an important role in the sound. I definitely have plans for some more videos like this and also hope to get my hands on a Quad Cortex from Neural DSP which I can compare to my Helix and AxeFX.
@@MassiveSoundProductions In my opinion cab IR makes much bigger impact on the sound than different amp. I have at home Engl Fireball 60 and using Suhr Reactive Load as a load box and the sound difference between IRs is massive. It is much easier to put in the mix on the left and right different IR and that's it . Also I have at Mercuriall plugins (Reaxis, U 530) and UAD SE-100 as I have Apollo Twin interface. I was listening on youtube on comparison between ReAxis VS Mesa Boogie TriAxis, U530 VS ENGL E530 and the plugin sound the same as real deal. I was thinking what a hell technology moved so much forward that real amps are not needed. However I bought myself Suhr reactive load and compared my Engl Fireball against the plugins with same IRs from Glenn Fricker IR Pack the sound difference was massive. Real amp sounded much fuller, lively, organically. Plug-ins still had some digital stuff in the them and didn't sound that huge. Especially it was much more enjoyable to play through real amp. It is also important to mention that there is big difference among load boxes. When I compared Suhr against Two Notes stuff Suhr played much better. UA-cam compress sound and it is hard to hear real differences between guitars, amps..........
@@alexandrnikiti5895 Fully agree to all you said. We are in a super lucky situation to have all these incredible choices these days which gave us such infinite possibilities in how to get a great sound. Thinking back how it was 20+ years ago we are really gifted with the situation today :)
Massive Sound Productions Definitely we are lucky that we live in this age were we can easily record our ideas in such a easy way and with such a huge possibilities.
I vote the 1st Deizel and the Revv. Sounded most balanced. Some others had some compressed tone qualities that might be better for certain playing styles. (Listened on phone speaker today)
The ENGLs and the EVH like you said are more compressed sounding, which can be nice in certain situations as well. If you want to hear some more sound examples of the Diezel, Revv as well as the ENGL Retro, maybe check out my Quad Cortex captures video as well :). The ENGL Retro is an amazing amp which I like allot as well.
Great Video!
Thanks Luk for your feedback, happy you like it :)!
ENGL sounds best, pricey but worthy & durable too...
Thanks for your comment Arnel, the ENGL indeed are fantastic amps with a very special sound character. If you get the chance try the ENGL Retro, which was a big surprise to me when I first heard it :)
What was your tuning and how many strings? Do you have a link to the IR? Thanks.
Tuning should be Drop-C if I'm not wrong (6-string) and the IRs are from ML sound lab, simulating a Mesa and a Zilla Cab 😃
@@MassiveSoundProductions Nice. System of a Down has a lot of Drop-C stuff.
5150 and vh4 to me would probably sound best in a mix
That's a great choice and I fully agree that both amp sounds will complement each other fantastic 😃
I really liked the PRS MT-15 huge.
I love the REVV though.
But can’t afford one.
Thanks for your comment Will. The MT-15 indeed is a fantastic amp and doesn't has to hide behind his big brothers. Great value for money and my favorite lunch box amp.
They are all great but that diezel Herbert is my favorite
Thanks Adrienne for your comment. The Herbert is (by far) my favourite amp for modern metal when played live. Its in the room sound and feel is just something to die for :D
Very great amps! But the Retro has the sound I prefer!
Thanks Markus for your comment. The Retro is the one which I use the most at the moment, for me a little underrated and one of my favourite ENGL amps :)
I like them all
This exactly is our problem and why we need to get them all Niko 😂🙈😂🙈
@@MassiveSoundProductions i have to say all of them sound quite similar, but the Revv has really its own personality. And sounds specially present in the mix.
@@niko13music Absolutely, this is also a great example how important a cab is to form the overall sound. But we as typical guitarists still buy more guitars than any other gear 😜
That’s a great comparison. Could you list them all in order of tracks please? I liked 4,5,6,7 best I think.
Thanks for your comment Marcus. Have a look at my video for the order, you can see it in the second part of the song (tracks are labled).
@@MassiveSoundProductions thanks, I can see now I’m not looking on my phone😁
What amp what you choose between revv generator mk3, mesa boogie mark V or engl savage 120 mark 2?
Phew, that's a tough one. Personally I would most likely choose between the Revv and the Engl. But best is to try yourself and while using your own cabinet. Not every amp will sound great on all cabs.
I'm surprised the herbert sounded so bad. Any chance you'd ever do another video like this but make every amp sound as good as they could individually and have less post processing? I've been thinking about buying a herbert and after that I'm not sure
Hi Darren, thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if I find the time to do another video like this but you can hear the Herbert in my latest video as well and surely in one or another video in the future. Independent from the recordings here and what I can generally say about the Herbert is that it is in my opinion the best sounding amp for modern Metal which I have, at least when played live over my Mesa cab. Unfortunately I'm struggling a bit to capture its massive sound and bring it on a record, other amps in general seem to be easier to record. In the end the best would be you try the Herbert yourself and with your own cab, which can make a huge difference.
@@MassiveSoundProductions thanks for that information, I'll check out your other video. I'm an amature and only record for myself but when I try to get the tones of the rectifier that I like recorded I can never get it t recorded the way I hear it and when I try to get those tones down that I hear I usually end up making it worse. It's that 3-d low end I think, amps that have great lows are hard to get those lowes recorded in a way that work so you can hear what you hear in a room so I can somewhat relate. My evh 100w stealth is so much easier to get it to sound good recorded. It very tight and most of it's sound doesn't come from the low end. At least that's my theory lol. Thanks again, I'll go check out your other video
@@YTDarren0203 Fully agree with your theory about the difficulty to bring the bass response which you hear in real life similarly on a record. Amps like the Herbert or a Recto which have their strength here might be harder to record in some situations like other amps. Especially when I will start recording my EP I will definitely do some more sound tweaking and see which amps sound works best for me on the recording, then I will also try to get the best possible from the Herbert and maybe it can beat my current favorite recorded sounds from my ENGL Retro and my REVV ;)
@@MassiveSoundProductions It's because the Herbert is a 180 w so it's not the same headroom. In a real recording situation with a real cab, you have to push this amp really loud to have a massive sound coming out of the amp. Really cool amp but maybe too much headroom...
@@talkinghelpless3093 Thanks for your comment. I'm of course aware that the Herb is much more powerful. The sound of the Diezels mainly come from their preamp, the power section has less influence on the overall sound. But independently from this I find the amazing in the room sound of the Diezels not that easy to bring on a recording. From my experience there are other amps which are easier to capture.
I little eq and they all sound the same considering the percussive chord chugging
I thing some single note soloing is in order
Revv for me, I like that higher mids.
It's not everyones taste but I like it allot too :)
I have a Revv 120P on order right now and a used 5150 100 stealth just came up locally. Not super cheap, but $500 less than new. Telling myself I don't need it because the Revv will make it redundant. This is hard!
Great choice! The Revv will fit perfect next to your 5150. They are both fantastic amps and I'm sure you will have the feeling that they will complement each other well. Let me know which one you like most and why :)
@@MassiveSoundProductions Oh, I haven't bought the 5150. It's only $300 less than a new one. I'd rather wait till they come back in stock. Every time I buy a used amp it seems to need new power tubes, despite what the seller says and that's your $300 gone.
@@EdwardKayeplus Haha, I know what you mean. Used amps are by nature advertised with new power tubes but in the end they have already been played for the last few years 😉🙈. It's still a great amp although I slightly prefer the Revv 🤘
The ENGL Retro and Herbert sounded the biggest and smoothest to me.
EVH sounded balanced. Big but not as huge as the Retro or Herb, but maybe slightly clearer, more articulate? Very good.
VH4 sounded like hot garbage.
Thanks allot for your comment :)! The EVH would probably combine well in recording with some of the bigger sounding amps. Overall the Herbert is my personal favorite amp in my collection, not only due to this recording example but also based on the sound I get over my Mesa and Diezel cabinets.
How can we see which amp is which? The computer screen is too small to see.
The easiest to identify for me was the Revv. Overall, my preference went as follows: Revv>Engl>EVH>PRS>Diezels. I was actually quite shocked at how much I disliked the Diezels as opposed to what I expected.
Thanks allot for your comment Christian. You come very close to my overall preference. As I used the exact same IRs for all the amps the ranking could change with some other speaker/mics combinations. I'm a huge fan of the Diezel Herbert which sounds absolutely massive on my 2x12 Mesa cab, but on this recording I agree that some other amps shine more.
Liked the EVH the most. The Diezel's in particular sounded muddy, flat, almost like an unboosted Recto. Didn't care for the PRS either. The others were decent.
Thanks allot for your comment Dan! I personally had quite a similar feeling like you that the Diezels couldnt fully show their strength with this particular IR (cab/mic) combination. In a live situation and when played over my Mesa 2x12 cab the Herbert is my absolute favorite amp.
@@MassiveSoundProductions I borrowed a Herbert for a few weeks and played it next to a Mesa IIC+, it’s a pretty awesome amp. But it sounded great on some cabs, not great on others. Recording amps can be quite the rabbit hole but you did a great overall job.
@@danyeo Thanks for your great feedback Dan and happy you liked the video :)! I also experienced that the Diezels, similar to Mesa amps, are more picky about the cab than some other brands, but if you find the right match they really shine to me. In the end it is great to have so many choices, even in a century which gets more and more dominated from the digital modelling world ;)
I liked the EVH and the Revv the most. The PRS is too brittle. The Diezels are too flubby. And the Engls are too dark.
Thanks for your comment Josh. I felt pretty much the same although it was really close and every amp has something which I like.
Splawn amps
If I wouldnt run out of space this would be a great addition to my collection ;)!
no cab, no mic . Your just comparing plugins.
I'm comparing real tube amps played into a snapshot of a mic-cab combination (which an impulse response is) ;)
The Revv Mk II is horrible compared to the Mk III.
Fantastic comparison!
Thanks allot Joe for your great feedback, happy you liked my little comparison :)
If you think about the costs, my first chose is the MT15. Great sound and for €549 it`s very good.
Fully agree Patrick! It can fully compete with its big brothers. I can highly recommend the tiny MT15 :)