AMD is simply doing good work and that's good for everybody opensource or otherwise. Rather than peddling persuasive marketing preamble they chose to bury their faces in books and work out the math. I've stated it before they're the tortoise while another was the hare (I'll leave the other blue guys nameless). Slow and steady wins the race and it is getting real ironic at this point - beautifully ironic. I can't wait. Linux is about to hit light speed in about 2 to 3 months.
Depends, they pulled an nvidia with their 6000 mobile series. Their chip broke keyboards on linux and instead of telling this to the kernel devs they kept it quiet and refused to cooperate in order to fix it. The only thing they do is not be a hindrance to the open mesa driver. That's good, sure, but it's hardly something special, intel does the same.
I thought it was very telling when Marc Papermaster said, the 5N sweetspot is 65 watt. And you are quite correct @Virtual Lifeform, this will become more and more relevant
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AMD's microcode is nice. But, nVidias absolutely proprietary drivers makes me give up on nvidia, going forward with Radeon because of Mesa. The effort devs put into Mesa is top notch, hats off.
A couple additions on your discussion of the AMD IOD - TSMC N6 is a rules compatible shrink of N7 so any existing designs should be relatively easy to port. Also Rembrandt (mobile Ryzen 6000) has RDNA2 + VCN 3.1 (in the Linux drivers as Yellow Carp) - I haven't been following the kernel updates closely, but I'd guess that the graphics on the Raphael IOD are basically a 2-4 CU version of that.
The focus on energy per calculation tells me they are focused more on laptop and, assuming its not just the embedded graphics, some tech transfer to a new Epyc series that targets large server farms. Two markets that caused AMD substantial trouble in the before times. [before Zen] Power consumption is a neer insignificant factor in performance oriented workstations and gaming builds beyond the selection of the heatsink.
I feel like I'm behind.. i still have a 3800X .. the first generation. But it does what I want it to do, I don't feel like I must upgrade to the 7000. Although to be honest, It would be nice to have a 7000 series, but I'm on a tight budget. Maybe one day I get one or a maybe the 9000 version (if the next version after 7000 will be 9000). 😀
You and me both I also run a 3800x CPU it still works great for me, but I also admit I would love to have one of the 7000 CPU as well and yeah budget constraints here too so I know how it feels.
i7-5820K here. Still going strong and meeting my needs just fine. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of us Linux users are still quite happy with our "outdated" CPUs. 🐧👍
I7-7700 here with NVIDIA 2070super. It still does more than I need. Since I am no longer gaming, I am considering removing the NVIDIA card to cut down on power and cooling/sound. I am not sure how much this will affect my performance as I don't know just what software I am running is actually using those CUDA Cores. I would like to have the new stuff, but I really don't feel that craving for it.
@@act.13.41 exactly its a question of need vs want, and nothing wrong with using what you got, and a good idea trimming back on GPU to save power, thanks Acts
@@act.13.41 For what it's worth, if you're running Linux on it, you can use 'nvtop' to see stats (including power) on your Nvidia GPU. Right now, with the video playing (1080p/60fps) my GTX-1070 primary GPU is drawing 7 watts. So, really, pulling it won't really save much vs the performance you get from it.
pluton was a niche thing that was requested exclusively for some government and enterprise applications, it is not planned to be used for end users. the "i cant install linux because of pluton" is a misleading and over exaggerated hoax. although it is a worrying detail for the future, it is not today's problem.
@Eric Johnson, did a little rooting around, officially AMD has not said if Pluto is present or not in the X670 or B650 motherboards, but will post a video on this once I find out an answer.
AMD has proven to be a trustworthy manufacturer to the open source community. They have demonstrated this by their contributions to drivers.
Esra, yes they have, you raise an excellent point
AMD is simply doing good work and that's good for everybody opensource or otherwise. Rather than peddling persuasive marketing preamble they chose to bury their faces in books and work out the math. I've stated it before they're the tortoise while another was the hare (I'll leave the other blue guys nameless). Slow and steady wins the race and it is getting real ironic at this point - beautifully ironic. I can't wait. Linux is about to hit light speed in about 2 to 3 months.
Depends, they pulled an nvidia with their 6000 mobile series. Their chip broke keyboards on linux and instead of telling this to the kernel devs they kept it quiet and refused to cooperate in order to fix it.
The only thing they do is not be a hindrance to the open mesa driver.
That's good, sure, but it's hardly something special, intel does the same.
I suppose u r getting paid for these comments
@@MK-gx6ni if you are asking me, no
Huge performance gains at lower wattages is becoming more and more relevant as energy prices ramp up.
I thought it was very telling when Marc Papermaster said, the 5N sweetspot is 65 watt. And you are quite correct @Virtual Lifeform, this will become more and more relevant
AMD's microcode is nice. But, nVidias absolutely proprietary drivers makes me give up on nvidia, going forward with Radeon because of Mesa. The effort devs put into Mesa is top notch, hats off.
Great episode, thanks so much!
Excellent content as always, Don. ASICs are also making a comeback with huge perf/watt gains.
Indeed ASICs are making a come back, thanks Adam for pointing that out
Now this is a fascinating topic.
Thanks craig I think it is as well
What a great video D.J., and power consumption will likely be a Prime Constraint on PC Design all too soon. Thank You Again.
Welcome Dezmond, and yes I agree and am reminded of that fact everytime I open my power bill :). It is very much on all of our minds (I think)
A couple additions on your discussion of the AMD IOD - TSMC N6 is a rules compatible shrink of N7 so any existing designs should be relatively easy to port. Also Rembrandt (mobile Ryzen 6000) has RDNA2 + VCN 3.1 (in the Linux drivers as Yellow Carp) - I haven't been following the kernel updates closely, but I'd guess that the graphics on the Raphael IOD are basically a 2-4 CU version of that.
Great Insight and knowledge, Thank you
Hey nozy good to see you here, and thanks!
Awesome video fella.
Thanks, Robert
The focus on energy per calculation tells me they are focused more on laptop and, assuming its not just the embedded graphics, some tech transfer to a new Epyc series that targets large server farms. Two markets that caused AMD substantial trouble in the before times. [before Zen]
Power consumption is a neer insignificant factor in performance oriented workstations and gaming builds beyond the selection of the heatsink.
Thank you!
Welcome, Geoffrey
I feel like I'm behind.. i still have a 3800X .. the first generation. But it does what I want it to do, I don't feel like I must upgrade to the 7000. Although to be honest, It would be nice to have a 7000 series, but I'm on a tight budget. Maybe one day I get one or a maybe the 9000 version (if the next version after 7000 will be 9000). 😀
You and me both I also run a 3800x CPU it still works great for me, but I also admit I would love to have one of the 7000 CPU as well and yeah budget constraints here too so I know how it feels.
i7-5820K here. Still going strong and meeting my needs just fine. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of us Linux users are still quite happy with our "outdated" CPUs. 🐧👍
I7-7700 here with NVIDIA 2070super. It still does more than I need. Since I am no longer gaming, I am considering removing the NVIDIA card to cut down on power and cooling/sound. I am not sure how much this will affect my performance as I don't know just what software I am running is actually using those CUDA Cores.
I would like to have the new stuff, but I really don't feel that craving for it.
@@act.13.41 exactly its a question of need vs want, and nothing wrong with using what you got, and a good idea trimming back on GPU to save power, thanks Acts
@@act.13.41 For what it's worth, if you're running Linux on it, you can use 'nvtop' to see stats (including power) on your Nvidia GPU. Right now, with the video playing (1080p/60fps) my GTX-1070 primary GPU is drawing 7 watts. So, really, pulling it won't really save much vs the performance you get from it.
"What to expect on September 27th 20222" :D
It's a bit of a shame GPU compute is still so much fuss to use.
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Will the pluton chip be present on this chip?
Will have to do some digging, off hand, I do not know
pluton was a niche thing that was requested exclusively for some government and enterprise applications, it is not planned to be used for end users. the "i cant install linux because of pluton" is a misleading and over exaggerated hoax. although it is a worrying detail for the future, it is not today's problem.
From what I saw it is. Will we be able to disable it?
@Eric Johnson, did a little rooting around, officially AMD has not said if Pluto is present or not in the X670 or B650 motherboards, but will post a video on this once I find out an answer.
@@CyberGizmo They show it on their website that it's part of it. Just saw nothing showing it is being shipped with it.