Why People Are Wrong About the Panasonic S1 for Video

[@FKfilmphotography]

99% of the cameras on the market are better than the users who own them. Way too much number and spec wars between folk who should focus on becoming better at the art of shooting rather than gear experts.

[@DonFather]

Camera companies have figured out that focusing consumers on the shortcomings of technology instead of their own abilities is much more palatable & profitable.

[@jan.tichavsky]

They may be packed with features but they also lack the basic package together and they lack the modern processing found in every smartphone today. I'm looking for few simple specs: 1) big sensor and fast lens for low noise in low light (shooting on the streets at night), 2) 4K 60p for good quality, future proof high resolution with smooth motion capture, 3) stabilization for handheld shooting. Right now I can get some of those but not all and the best options are still quite expensive as here with the 50mm f/1.4. Panasonic has big sensor but crops in 60p. Fujifilm crops much less but has no IBIS and the lenses aren't that fast or stabilized either. Of course if you don't need video and don't print large you can use 20 year old DSLR and you'll have still fine images for web use but that's not what we are for, right?

[@andrewmcgregor3255]

Well said.

[@sunnykiri3]

God bless you

[@ThePrimordialChronicles]

Ferhan Khan Photography Yup,most of people shoot stuff that is just bad but they still put it out

[@geraldundone]

Balanced and informative (as usual). You've got a well-established knack for providing these kinds of counterpoints and I enjoy every minute of it!
Also, while writing this I just heard you shout me out! Thanks so much, Caleb. You da best! Too kind. 💗😃🙏

[@dslrvideoshooter]

It was well earned! The internet is lucky to have your brain plugged into UA-cam!

[@SafetySolutionsAc]

Gerald Undone well deserved shout out. Both of you guys provide rational thoughts in a sea of click bait. Thanks for that!
I feel like two things are holding me back from a pre purchase: 1- lenses. I am. I’m not super fired up about making the switch to FF from my gh5 and basically keeping the same bokeh or even less... running any of the fast lenses on the gh5 I’m able to get a FF 2.8 look. Moving to a FF f4 look doesn’t seem like an upgrade... now, wham sigma drops a 24mm F1.4 my attention will officially be grabbed. This seems like a timing issue and it’s unfortunate that Sigma isn’t able to have these lenses ready to go in April. Maybe this is an agreement between pana Leica and sigma. Maybe this is a camera conspiracy...
2- auto focus. My GH5 is totally workable, but I wish that it was better. I would love to see the af functional in VFR. For the work I do 120af would be super helpful...
I think pana is making an error releasing the camera in the same manner as the gh5 with major upgrades needed at release to meet the promised expectation. I think eventually they delivered, but I think the initial letdown is hard on the brand.
I’m pretty sure the a7iii will do what I need, just wish the 120 was higher quality in fact all the video...
All I want is the perfect camera...

[@ctrice]

Whatttt's happeeeeningggg!!!!

[@BryanSchultzitis]

two of my favorite youtubers being nice to each other - what a time to be alive!

[@praveensemwal5949]

Sir Can you tell me what does 4:2:2and 4:2:0 is

[@GermanViking]

People get crazy with specs and numbers... The image quality of the GH5S is absolutely stunning for the price, So I think the S1 will produce an Image quality that is worth the price.

[@Gablarkin]

The dynamic range will change the game for the S1 compare to GH5s I think

[@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995]

the weight however I worry about it. Ibis or no ibis full frame S1, if you have mussle fatigue, no shot will be great until you have the gh5 and a light and fast mft lens .. I allready experienced problems with a sigma lens, speedbooster and gh5. And this makes me think about a shoulder camera. Expensive, horrible outpriced camera's with outdated sensors and limited feature set, not the best IQ at least under 10 000, but you get a compact working sollution for making video's with audio and the perception of people that you are or could be professional.

[@JacobBeemer]

Agree, we are living in beautiful times. the GH5s has been a workhorse for us this past 12 months. Yum yum

[@Chilupiano]

It really annoys me that a company would charge for “future features “ in a firmware update. It’s just simple thievery. I understand firmwares usually improve the camera but this is just unlocking features the camera hardware is already capable off. ... Charge me a little more at purchase but then quit charging me

[@YoungBlaze]

Its like the video game industry, you buy then only to have to buy the dlc, then buy a dlc costume, then next thing you know, you have to pay for dlc start button

[@omar_b_here]

Because not everyone needs the firmware

[@lessemo]

@@YoungBlaze *EA games wants to know your location*

[@YoungBlaze]

@@lessemo Tell em , pull up.... i got stock on Take2interactive

[@Chilupiano]

@@YoungBlaze and that makes it right? the game industry hes de-evolved into "oh lets make shiney grafix "items"--cough loot-- so we can charge micro transactions for years and years...cough..activision/blizzard

[@InvisibleJiuJitsu]

Remember 3 years ago when sony had no lenses and they couldn't autofocus for shit?? Now they're hailed as top dog. It's as if people think panasonic in partnership with sigma wont do any development at all. Sure, they don't have all the answers right now, but I'm excited for the future of a company like panasonic with a history of listening to customers needs

[@spensersakurai]

Full Frame 10 bit sounds good to me but can't make everyone happy.

[@clarkunderwood]

Been digging your channel!

[@imabigsandwich1292]

when it's only 150mbps i really doubt that it properly resolve 10bit and vlog, a lot of people are reporting problems even with vlog l, so i'm worried.

[@CaesperRSA]

@@imabigsandwich1292 You're right, bit depth and color subsampling aren't everything (don't get me wrong, they're important) higher bitrate is as important if not more, especially when working with log.

[@imabigsandwich1292]

@@CaesperRSA yep, quite dissapointed that panasonic didn't give us 400mbps all I.

[@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995]

@@imabigsandwich1292 I don't really see a big advantage when shooting 400mbps with GH5, other then better playback on low spec macs. In fact a 400mbps h265 GOP codec would be so much better for grading. But maybe this new s1 camera has beautifull colors native, and then you don't need to shoot in log. Maybe then the 150mbs is enough. Better to have 10)bit or 12 bit clean hdmi output in 4k and prores raw compatibility with atomos devices. That would be great

[@neotheek]

technically you are no longer a dslr video shooter

[@YoungBlaze]

Facts

[@tomgosy]

He should change his channel name

[@Shadaole]

😂😂😂😂

[@VoicesofMusic]

10 bit in HLG mode. AF not great. Low light very nice.

[@TOKYObrah]

Panasonic S1 has a 1.5x crop on 4K 60p.
GH5s + Speedbooster XL is a (1.75 x .64) 1.12x crop on 4K 60p and no record limit

[@deverenfogle3201]

Me all day long! +1

[@Falkenroth1]

Bingo

[@PeterMKent]

Exactly and that's just the beginning of the issues I have with the S1.

[@walrusgumboot]

TOKYObrah S1R has me interested, 1.09x crop in 4k60p. Just 15 min rec limit but not an issue for me

[@adrianpocea2287]

Also no ibis, almost useless for photography, and slightly weaker in low light and dr

[@danalarson9533]

The S1 is a very exciting camera to me and I'm surprised by the negative reaction to it. I'll probably wait until the lens situation gets better, though.

[@samphotoyt]

That pretty much sums it up. It has the potential to be an exciting camera, someday, some time, maybe once lenses come out and 2-3 firmware updates happen. Hardly a winning formula to sell a new camera.

[@PeterMKent]

Sigma makes their L-mount announcement at the end of the month.

[@TerenceKearns]

Apparently, their lenses are very sharp. People grabbing this camera, it's not likely that this will be their first and only camera. So not every lens option is needed. 3 is enough to get started although they are quite expensive. You'd have to be quite a successful professional to justify the experiment. If they have an exotic lens requirement, they probably already have the solution in one of their other camera bodies.

[@benc8424]

1. Not enough Video features - Update is coming in future
2. Bad Af - it will improve over time
3. Lenses only pricey choices - going to change over time
Seems to me you're expecting a lot but for me it's just not the right camera yet... maybe next year it will be a better camera but by then Sony a7siii will be hopefully out.

[@Reyfox1]

He didn't say "bad auto focus", just maybe not up to Canon (no one matches them) or Sony. Look at Sony FF mirrorless when it was released. Everyone panned them for not having lenses, blah blah blah. Look at them now.

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I do expect a lot. But if you look at Panasonic's camera and firmware timeline, they do add a ton of features over the life of a product.

[@benc8424]

@@dslrvideoshooter yeah, I'm sure it's getting better but right now I wouldn't buy it. In my opinion wait for Sony a7siii.

[@samphotoyt]

@@dslrvideoshooter Okay, that is true but don't you ever ask yourself why? Why don't they just get it closer to start with, not a year after it comes out?

[@JoeyTecuani]

Ben C a7s ii won’t compare 🤣🤣

[@newfoundmass]

The issue is that it feels like Panasonic is trying to entice video shooters with a camera that wasn't made with them in mind. They're marketing it much the same way they did the GH5, right down to giving Griffin Hammond one to make a documentary with, but as you said it's not a GH5 and it's not comparable. That they're then adding what is essentially a video tax to get features that should be in it for the $2500 they're asking for, to me, is even more annoying.
I really wanted to like it, I'm a Panasonic shooter, but I think most criticism is valid.

[@deverenfogle3201]

Indeed, I really want to like this camera, as well as the S1R. I was even going to be an early adopter, all they needed to do was release something decent, and the money was their's. It's funny that the release actually stopped me in my tracks from ordering it. Now I'm really trying to find a reason to buy it, but the GH5/GH5s are simply better video cameras - full stop. I can already use my current speedboosters for similar dof, etc, etc. The gradeability will also make the picture out of the the GH5s better. For video, FF only really gives an advantage at dof at this point.

[@newfoundmass]

@@deverenfogle3201 agreed. And Sony is likely to announce the A7sIII soon, which will likely have a lot of these features and then some, for a comparable price. I'm a loyal GH5 user, and I don't plan to going to full frame yet, but honestly, if I were I'd have to lean towards Sony even though I don't like Sony's color science.

[@deverenfogle3201]

@@newfoundmass Yeah, Sony's colors are horrendous. Especially for video, and their low bitrate, it's impossible to get good colors out of them. IMHO

[@PeterMKent]

@@deverenfogle3201 Same here, looked forward to buying this on launch like I did the G85 and GH5. Planned on replacing my A7 III and GH5 to get photos and video in one package along with better 4K60 but not only do I see no improvement over the GH5+Speed booster and A7 III setup but I'd be getting less video features and performance even after paying extra for a firmware update some time in the future.

[@AyechinoProd]

There are way too many 'tech reviewers' and spec junkies worrying about the gear they have no business owning. Honestly, if you're not a running a film/photo business or freelancer then you shouldn't even be watching this video... To any experienced shooter, this camera will get the job done and can easily afford the firmware upgrades.

[@FauxtakuLounge]

I tried it out today at CP+. What an amazing camera. Manually focus and the centre is the image alone magnifies leaving room for framing around the magnified portion. Great stills speed.
Wonderful hand hold feel.

[@jordan.rushing]

I think it's a good first step for Panasonic FF. But I think people are upset, myself included, that we were really hoping for 4k60p without crop at 10 4:2:2. Now if they're able to do that with their paid update, that would be a very worthwhile upgrade imho and would make me highly interested in this if a7siii never comes out. That being said, I do also agree that the focus issue is huge and Canon & Sony have much better currently. Whether this is an "early version" or not, I am surprised that they would have this displayed this camera with such a bad auto focus if they plan on making a major over haul to it. Meaning I don't see a major update by the time this camera is released, maybe also in a future update? Idk, my eyes are still firmly waiting on the A7siii, meanwhile I'll keep shooting on my T7i and just upressing to 4k so I can shoot at 60fps, even if it is 8 bit.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

it's a good camera for like 3000 people who use a sony fs7 and a canon 1dx...

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Yeah without the upgrade this camera isn't very exciting.

[@PeterMKent]

Yeah that was the deal breaker for me. I needed at least internal 10-bit 4K60, I would even have accepted it in 4:2:0 with the APS-C crop.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

@@dslrvideoshooter honestly caleb... i waited 6 months for this $6000 Panasonic "without compromise" camera. after all was said and done up here in canada, the bill was just too high; what with the unknown upgrade cost and the go-leica or go-home lens options... that and the kit lens is too soft, certainly not anything as fun for manual focus when compared with the fuji offerings, for whatever it is worth. fingers crossed for raw support or 150mbps 4:2:2 10 bit internal on the fuji... but i am happy with the option to wait without much investment while the full frame war slogs forward into short-sighted oblivion... with the 26800 mah battery pack strapped to my fuji X-T3, i can shoot for 5 hours continuous with the ronin and my arms won't fall off... what's wrong with them apples?

[@Debtfreehomesteaders]

I just wanted to say thank you. I have learned so much from you and your channel over the past 2 years being new to the photography videography industry. Sound, lighting, gear. It's all here.
DSLR VIDEO SHOOTER
Thanks
-Will

[@MrBobthened]

the advantage of the tilty-uppy screen over the flippy-outy screen is that you can tilt the screen upwards (for waist-level shooting) without it sticking awkwardly out of the side of the camera

[@PostColorGear]

I personally am looking more and more at Panasonic. Don't get me wrong, at one point, I was very impressed with what Sony was putting in their cameras. And their eye AF is amazing. But yes, as you said, between the 100mbps cap, the 4k (NOT 60fps), among other specs...Panasonic really is doing almost a better job of giving "video people" what they want. I understand that people love love love the phase detect autofocus, and it's great for video when vlogging, but for me personally......meh :)

[@dslrvideoshooter]

If Sony plays ball well with the A7sIII the S1 is in big trouble.

[@After.Photographer]

SONY don't have 10 bit 422 so far (A7 A9 a6xxx series) , not even through HDMI. Very curious if A7S3 could be their first one.

[@tyronnezx]

@@dslrvideoshooter But this is the first generation of Panasonic fullframes. The next range will rectify what is missing in S1 and the S1R and Sony will get in big trouble

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Given my love and great experience with my GH5, I am definitely interested in the S1. Regarding specs, the S1 has not been released. So, there will be features that won't appear or be announced until the S1 is released and after release. I like seeing pre-launch videos for upcoming cameras, but, I don't base my purchase decisions on these videos. What bugs me is when a YT creator makes conclusions about a camera before it's even been released. I get that they want to create content. But, don't make absolutist judgments until you have the final product in your hand.
(EDIT: I think it's erroneous to put the Sony A7III above the S1. For one, the A7III does not shoot 10-bit. A huge difference for professionals, not vloggers. The A7III is a vloggers camera, in my opinion, not a camera I would consider for filmmaking given its 8-bit limitation.)

[@MM-gx8fd]

10 bit is not all that matters. Doesn't matter how good your colors are or if you are shooting 8k if your video is out of focus, and is constantly pulsing in and out of focus.

[@TalKissos]

Dr Exclusive with that logic, an alexa is useless without autofocus

[@Marticulate]

If you want UA-cam babies jumping the gun, look at Tony Northrup bad mouth this camera without even holding it. Read the aptly ferocious commentary too. Worth a laugh.

[@homovid741]

You're right that people should be free from bias BUT buying this camera is like a huge leap of faith. Everything could go wrong with a completely new system. New sensor, new lenses, new mount, new technologies and so on. At least we should wait and see until it is fully tested and if they will support the system properly, like with new third part lenses and firmware updates.

[@chriseyrewalker]

Packed full of awesome and interesting information as always. Nice job Caleb!

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Thanks Chris!!!

[@theyoungtravelier]

So many cameras coming out this year... but for a mix of stills/video i'd still choose the Fuji system in the sub $2-3K price bracket.. if you're video centric then it's probably the GH5s, and if you are video only then go with a rigged up BMPCC4K. 4:2:0 is just not enough color to grade with. There's a reason why the 1dxii is still a preferred system.. it's 8 bit 4:2:2 which grades quite well

[@professionalpotato4764]

Does it really make a huge difference? In Gerald Undone's testing, the difference between 420 and 422 is very minor, and only shows up if you do extreme grades like turning blue into green or something.

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

Good stuff as always; I think the S1 will do well and grow in maturity via firmware pushes just like the GH5 did. They definitely need to circle back to those lens prices though, that's just outrageous.

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I forgot to mention, but I wonder if the price is high due to some kind of Leica licensing fee.

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

@@dslrvideoshooter I'm leaning toward a similar conclusion. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that 'one' of the L-Mount Alliance players only joined after the other two agreed to follow some specific price bracket or range. If Sigma's S1 glass gets a price-point between the other two; then I'd definitely say Leica is running that show.

[@deverenfogle3201]

The GH5 was killer out of the box. It was only later that the AF debacle happened. But even with that, it was still the best mirrorless video camera, by far. This S1 doesn't even rival it's stablemates, for a much higher price tag with so few available lenses, etc. I feel there will be significant discounts before the holidays to move some of these units, especially if the lenses don't come soon enough. Perhaps, Panny themselves should put out a Canon to L-mount adapter to steal any disgruntled Canon users, that may help.

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

I agree with you on most all of that. I'm not sold on the S1 and definitely dont have plans to buy it, but I do think we should take a step back and just remember that we haven't seen a product yet; just PR and info on its current specs. It definitely does look like just another "Hey, us too!!" camera to compete with the EOS R, the Z6, and etc.

[@thatjordandrake]

Great analysis. I don't have an S1 to test yet, but Atomos has stated that the S1 will support 10 bit 4:2:2 HDMI output at launch. Looking forward to testing it out!

[@thatjordandrake]

www.dpreview.com/news/2867863468/atomos-ninja-v-inferno-recorders-will-support-4k-10-bit-422-hdr-panasonic-s-lumix-s1

[@fellowcitizen]

Jordan, nice conveyor belt gaze :) have you experimented with re-processing the S1's 6K PHOTO mode into video? I realise it's 3:2 ratio, and possibly a travesty, however, it feels like full-frame 6K (or even 5.4K?) should be attracting more interest - even as an experimental/postproduction mode.

[@BigIrisProductions]

I was told by a Panasonic rep at Adobe Max that this sensor was designed with the intent to shoot RAW video. I'm just waiting for the announcement. :)

[@TheCrowleyCrew]

I also wonder if sensors that have phase detect on the sensor produce more heat. I also wonder if that is one reason Canon crops their 4k. We don't know how much heat the dual pixel AF creates and the only non cropped 4k cameras are in massive cinema cameras that have better heat dispersion.

[@iris-studios]

totally agree with you, don't get why so many people are complaining, the S1 is a solid camera allround! AF isn't great, but after a firmware update or two AF will be improved, don't forget the AI learning software abilities which should help AF. The low light and sharpness is great on this camera, colors are beautiful, skin tones included. Im very excited with this camera, great body, ergonomics, build quality, menu system, and its amazing 5.7k EVF. They basically took elements from Sony, Fuji, canons & Nikons latest cameras and combined it into one kickass camera! And yeah, the sigma-leica-pana alliance is awesome!

[@iris-studios]

the inbody IS is amazing, you haven't seen any footage yet?? Looks just as good if not better than Gh5, better than Sony & Fuji for sure. Low light is great, 12,800iso is clean, 25,600iso acceptable.

[@theTechNotice]

Caleb, hand on your heart, which camera are you more excited about the S1 or the A7sIII ?

[@MrBobthened]

9:58 I really don't get why everyone dislikes this. The only situation in which the flip out screen is better is filming yourself, IMO for every other use case it's actually worse.
With a flip out screen if you want to shoot from the hip you have to look slightly to the side, and the camera strap constantly gets in the way of the screen.

[@KarlMeyer]

If I could use my Ninja V and get full frame 60fps, that would make me switch. But as of now the 1.5x crop is a deal breaker for me personally.

[@Newtperc]

Glad to hear a shout out for Gerald Undone! His channel is fantastically informative

[@SergiMedina]

Thank you for writing “Mb/s” correctly, and for making such amazing and useful videos, of course!

[@avarmadillo]

Kaleb, I posted this on Gordon Laing's video review of the S1 he just made a few days ago. I'd be interested in your comments on my response to the review in regard to S1 peaking feature.
Not to beat a dead horse, but to drive a point home to at least my satisfaction I set up a peaking test.
I used the Panasonic S1, the Panasonic GH5, the Panasonic G85, the Nikon Z6, and the Fujifilm X-H1, all using third party lenses.
With the GH5, G85, the Z6, and the X-H1 there was absolutely no change in the quality and intensity of the peaking settings between using peaking to set the focus up and after the camera started rolling.
Sadly, after checking BOTH the EVF and the LCD of the S1 both showed a diminishment in the quality and intensity of peaking once the shot was rolling. This diminishment is SIGNIFICANT, at least on my S1---I'd say at 70% or more %% drop--sometimes very difficult to see, especially on the EVF.
The effect of this is that if you change the focus to another object while rolling you either focus past it before you see it, or you focus past it because you're not sure if your focus is not quite right---and most often it isn't. How do I know that? Because if I stop the shot after shifting focus the original quality and intensity immediately appear. When that happens I find the focus I ended up with was not accurate. Either not focusing far enough, or focusing past the object you are simply guessing.
It seems to me the peaking feature of the S1 is calibrated to be its best, most viewable, and most accurate before the shutter is pressed with a SIGNIFICANT drop off once you start rolling.
Why? This is not the case with the other four cameras I tested---and two of them were Panasonics.
The peaking of the GH5 and the G85 are just...okay ....But they are stable before and after the shot is made, and pretty accurate.
The Nikon is excellent---very easy to use and accurate. Even the gosh-awful Sony peaking is better than the S1---and I didn't think it was possible that anyone could have worse peaking than Sony. (Silly me).
By a hair I think the Fuji X-H1 is best, clean, easy to see without obscuring the shot, and very accurate. The Fuji folks have done it right---and they keep making the X-H1 and X-T3 better.
Will someone with some contacts or influence pass this on to the Panasonic people.
Maybe they know and don't care. Maybe it was done intentionally for reasons I can in no way surmise.
Nikon has done a few analogous things on the Z6, but nothing as egregious as the S1 peaking problem.

[@42Pros]

Out of the recent first time FF mirrorless releases, the S1 is looking pretty good. The only major con that I can see is native lens selection but if you film with manual focus rigs then it shouldn't matter because you'll probably be adapting good glass to the camera. Great First Release though; esp with the firmware update added.

[@TerenceKearns]

The most underrated camera of 2018 was the G9. I think it was overlooked because nobody seems to care about stills anymore and it was a true hybrid. I think the S1 cameras are basically the G9 version 2 with a huge FF sensor. It has some of the limitations of the G9 for video but with the paid firmware update (when it comes), it will pull way ahead of the G9 for video. What the hell are people complaining about? Honestly. IMO the only real disappointment is the lack of flippy screen (WTH?).

[@JustinWoo]

You really make great material. I love your videos; they're so informative and watchable. Thank you for your work.

[@benarnoux]

Is it bad that I liked before starting? Prove me wrong, lol. 🤣🤣

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I don't think its bad! I may be a little biased though ;-)

[@benarnoux]

DSLR Video Shooter I guess I just like that I will always learn something from your videos.

[@QbaNH]

did the same xD

[@dennis702leon]

My problem with your counterpoints for auto focus and lenses is that you say it will get better over time, which is probably true (I don't think it will be to the level you think at least for auto focus) but the camera companies ask people to by the camera now. Not later. Also firmware should not be paid for, if they just charged me a little more for the camera I would be okay with that. In addition to that, the firmware for most of those features feels like the camera wasn't ready for launch. Some of those features should have already come with the camera, it shouldn't be a fee for me to get those features. And this just doesn't go for Panasonic, back when sony lens options and auto focus were shit I gave them the same flack.

[@walrusgumboot]

What other FF Mirrorless is capable of 10bit 4:2:2 internally? I would have liked it to be included too, but considering no other FF camera has it I can understand them doing this. After all they did/do the same thing with GH5 for vlog l

[@tonyabdalla]

I've never made purchasing decisions based upon Vaporware, what might be, or what could be. So far, Panasonic has fallen short on this one. I'll be purchasing a Sony a7iii.

[@HuntaDaKilla]

I am surprised how Panasonic's new cameras have somewhat been hit as if they were false advertising or lying about their cameras. These set of cameras did not receive any of the hype I thought they would. I use Panasonic cameras for the overall user experience. It does seem like Sony has the lead on auto focus, but that is it. No one is talking about ISO performance anymore now that this camera has arrived. What happened to the lack of dual card slots in other cameras and the praise for this camera offering it? The 4k 60 fps is not a lie, it is capable with an external recorder. that is not a lie. Most cameras had said that they were capable of it. Fuji is the only one that hyped and made clear the ability to do it internally. Everything this camera has done seems to lack any compromises... maybe the autofocus compared to Sony. Panasonic can easily smash the competitors.

[@FCMEDIAS]

The problem is communication 😊 when they said « fullframe without compromise » and you have some compromise... ^^

[@danielmoore5667]

Great video Caleb. Looking forward to seeing the S1 in person and having a play

[@PeterMKent]

I like everything about this camera except that Panasonic is holding back features (even if they plan to charge extra for them later) and that they have not improved the major issues of their 2 year old GH5.
It's maximum price gouging for minimum effort. Panasonic needs to drop the price or provide something more than recycled features in a bloated GH5. Why is AF still unreliable, why is 10-bit 4K60 still external, why is 4K60 cropped to the size of a GH5+Speed booster, why no anamorphic mode, why does the dynamic look like 10-stops, and why does the image get softer very stop over ISO 3200? I know the S1 will excel in other areas compared to the GH5 but these features are the ones I use the most and I don't see any improvements in those areas.
14-stops of Dynamic Range with V-Log is the only thing that sounds great so far but unless they add 12 or 14-bit Raw we'll be squeezing that into a highly compressed 10-bit codec. Isn't that what Sony tried to do with S-Log 3?
I hope the Production models show much better results for AF, Noise and Dynamic Range for video because everything I've seen so far doesn't look any better than a GH5.

[@skymakai1486]

I look forward to seeing what you say about it now that it's available!

[@iamldpentertainment]

Bro, you're a remarkable reviewer. You answered all the imperative questions, thanks, buddy.

[@PrimalFitnessRaf]

Thanks for clearing things up Caleb. Really appreciate it! Definitely always learning because I had the same thoughts and am glad you helped to clear it up. Will you talk about the new Canon EOS RP?

[@philemotion8876]

Thanks Caleb !

[@mountaincreativeco.7091]

Great rundown of the topic..seems firmware updates will provide the true tipping point on this one. 10 bit 4:2:2 at 4k/60 sounds sweet; let's hope it's doable without the crop🤞📸 Great job on this one, as usual👌😃

[@svenhenig70]

Thank you for the excellent video - so I am waiting for S1 version 2 ;-)

[@barrongaillard9623]

All the new mirrorless cameras that have come out recently are amazing (even Canon)! We are definitely expressing our "first world problems" when we complain that the cameras aren't framing the shots with AI or finding us better clients with integrated marketing tools! Just a few years ago everyone was amazed at the 1080 on the 5D mark 3!
The S1 looks like it will be a great tool for some people, but not all people.

[@ArjunRoy5]

Waiting for your Nikon Z6 review! I would love to invest in a Cinema Rig based around that camera. I am even more excited after they announced their partnership with atomos and RAW video capabilities coming to that camera! I just love the full frame video look!

[@QbaNH]

YEAAHHHH Caleb, FInally! You are the man! Been waiting for this video for weeks :D

[@CountSorinsRealm]

Aweeeee yissss everybody always underestimating Panasonic until those updates come out. Excellent video Caleb!

[@quite1enough]

You can do 4k/60 4:2:0 10-bit on Fuji x-t3 right now

[@cmdr.shepard]

If only it was 4:2:2 Internal.

[@danzbeard]

Excellent breakdown and insight, thanks!

[@tazfrase7045]

Yeah man.. that non-flip out screen is pretty brutal. Granted this isn't really built to vlog with but doing any sort of sit-down video (like this one lol) is going to be problematic without that flip screen.

[@juliancroot]

Very sensible commentary as always, but I do feel the S1 needs placing in the context of a Speedboosted GH5/GH5S... then I have more sympathy for the negative view points out there.
I regard the S1 & S1R as a full frame G9, and think Panasonic will come out with a more video centric option within the next 12 months (an S1S perhaps?).

[@adamvaz9097]

Don't know why people complain about the size of the full frame Lumix cameras. Makes no sense to have a small ff body if your going to put a giant lens on it, like the Sony cameras. You get better control and as was mentioned, heat management is better.

[@steveGabrail]

Those Leica SL lenses are legendary. I believe if you use those lenses with the S1 and S1R, it will make that sensor shine.

[@Elfliedthegrave]

Soooo... now they release cameras with not finished firmware... and then we have to pay for that finished firmware? I think I dont like where this is going...

[@DigitalStudioWedding]

You don't get he point...
You'll get FREE FW updates! You have to pay if you need VLOG and 10bit in specific modes!

[@Elfliedthegrave]

​@@DigitalStudioWedding The point is, they start with that. And when they see people pay them, they'll start doing that with 24fps... or to unlock 6k recording instead the 4k that is on your camera. Games did the same, first some games started to have some microtransactions to buy some little cosmetics that were 1€ or something like that. Now we have fucking microtransactions for everything, pay to win and all the ****** bull**** in triple A titles :)

[@arda_]

I mean it will have the edge on Sony on 4K 30p after getting a PAID update, after an UNKNOWN amount of time. Meanwhile, the A7iii is almost a one year old camera, offering full frame 4k at 500$ cheaper(without calculating any discounts mind you). I am glad Panasonic is making full frame cameras now but a7 easily beats this in value imo.
What I find interesting is the Full HD capabilities. If they can make stellar full hd video that can attract some people.

[@BernardBertrand]

Another brilliant and smart video Caleb ! thank you for sharing

[@Shaneword99]

Let’s say you’re starting UA-cam completely fresh and completely without any camera equipment/ camera. What camera would you buy (if you were wanting to make cinematic videos/ with pretty decent 4K and slow motion) let’s say around 10 to 11 Thousand price point.

[@ramonlopeznote]

Thanks Caleb. This reminds me of an old Spanish joke. A guy applies for a job. During the interview for the position the manager explains that the initial salary is going to be just 1000 Euros, but later on there will be a significant raise up to 4000 Euros and perdiem, and extras, and bonuses, medical and dental insurance.... Then the manager asks the applicant, What do you think? And the guy says, I will come later on. This is exactly the same. In order not to lose clients Panasonic, again, hits the market with SMOKE, a promise of, an poorly graded camera that will be upgraded in the future, and, to top it off, if you PAY for the upgrade. I have the GH4 and the GH5 and Panasonic is not going to fool me again with promises. I will come later on.

[@warpacademy]

Is it true that the S1 crops the sensor for all video? I believe the S1R reads the full sensor for video. I'm looking at it for video only, and if it can't shoot video reading the full sensor then it's a waste for me.

[@walrusgumboot]

No, only for 4K60p. 24-30 is full sensor

[@beeldbarista]

No they are not wrong.
Panasonic made something that people are not waiting for in a 2019 camera.
If others can do it, and even Nikon can do it, then Panasonic with all its video knowledge certainly would be able to do it.
Their specs are wrong and it IS crippled to protect their Micro 4/3 market. That is Pana's main problem with this camera.
BTW your video's are mostly good, but here you do not have to defend Pana for their mistakes.

[@UHDStudio]

Love your videos. Love your channel. Very professionnal. My source for camera and video gears ;) Keep up the good work.

[@heffelumpphotoco]

Also keep in mind that this camera is a hybrid model. I imagine if they ever release an S model, like they did with the GH5 series, specifically for video. It’d be dangerous.

[@CommiePinko101]

We expected better from Panasonic, and for the price. We get 60fps 4K on the S1, but not phase detect autofocus like the a7iii has. Since we're paying a higher price than the Sony shouldn't we expect both features for the money?

[@clifftotten7609]

Atomos is telling us that the S1's HDMI out of the box WILL have 10bit output enabled. They will also give us HLG gamma curve in 10bit. So, if Atomos is correct, we WILL be able to record 10bit, 4:2:2 to an external recorder with HLG. Caleb,...are you saying this is not correct and that the HDMI will be locked at 8 bit only out of the box?

[@B-Moye]

Great points made on a lot of aspects of this and other cameras 👍🏾

[@punkrachmaninoff]

who has the pipes though? not everyone has those pipes, caleb... 💪📷 buying the fuji X-T3 today instead.

[@leecason9468]

Make sure you get capture one as well. Lightroom can't resolve all the detail on the xt3 and adds artifacts to it.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

@@leecason9468ok pal.

[@brainpope6660]

Nice set of informations, thank you. For me as a documentary solo shooter this camera is out of the game for its autofocus issues and the high price tag of the lenses. Maybe some others will decide to buy the body and rent the right lenses for the job.

[@RalfeOrtiz]

There's still some unknown answers, like the AF performance, does 4K-60p crop when using an external recorder. Aside from that and a few other concerns I'm sure, the S1 seems to be an exceptional camera nonetheless. Thanks for the insight, God bless!

[@Reyfox1]

I think everyone is waiting for a "real" review. But there is enough out there to give big hints of what it can do.

[@RalfeOrtiz]

@@Reyfox1 Exactly, I personally won't be switching over to Panasonic. Just curious to see how well their cameras perform for your average hobbyist to professional users.

[@Reyfox1]

@@RalfeOrtiz I won't be buying the camera. Too rich for my blood and it offers features that I personally do not need. But I am not going to trash it because of it. I am a M43 user of the G9. For "me" it is what I need. I need small since I backpack and bike. The S1 or any FF camera is something I don't want to lug around anymore. My wife is thrilled to have my Canon gear. But when we go out, even she gets a little tired of carrying it.
I don't think that there is a bad camera out there. Just find one that fits your needs. Cameras are tools.

[@RalfeOrtiz]

@@Reyfox1 Exactly, it's not necessarily the tool but the user that makes the camera work. The S1/S1R, is too much $$$ and doesn't really offer what I need or want. I shoot on Fuji and apsc sensor is good enough for me, and their lens line is pretty good too.

[@Reyfox1]

@@RalfeOrtiz much love for Fuji. I think if I was looking for something "new" and didn't have what I already have, Fuji would be where I would go. Can you say XT3? Priced so that I can afford it, along with lenses. People look at specs and comment on whether a camera is worth it or not only on that information and their personal bias. To "me" all cameras produced today are great. Not everyone is for "me" personally, but you won't read me trashing a camera because I can not afford it or it doesn't have a flippy screen and dual card slots.

[@MoronMonkeyPro]

The specs we're mostly fine with me. It's hard to expect a lot from their first full frame line. Not to mention, Panasonic has mentioned multiple times this is geared namely at photographer's still - the strength is in it's photo capabilities before video.
Now, that being said, the only I disagree with is lens pricing - I don't expect to see affordable lenses for a while, even with Sigma. And adapting is great, but have a native mount with IBIS is how I shoot, so I need native glass. And that lens price is just not worth it for me.
We'll have to play the waiting game. I don't see many early adopters gaining much benefit in the beginning. It would be wise to wait on price drops and firmware updates to see how the system matures.

[@nyrubin]

I think it's fine that they charge for firmware updates. because most people (myself included) don't need the extra features like log. if sony charged me 200 less for a7sii to remove any or all of their log profiles I wouldn't pay the 200 bucks. I think most people don't need the log and the ones that do are professionals who make money from their videos. so I think they did a awsome job on keeping the cameras cheap enough for none pros to be able to afford it while charging the pros more for the "more pro" features 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@jamethogany]

why does everyone think every camera has to have an articulating screen? Having held this camera at a demo the thing is really heavy, you are not going to be using this as your vlogging camera, so why does it matter? this is targeted at pro photographers, they are pretty much going to be behind the thing, so tilting up, down and swinging up for portrait orientation, is great!

[@jamethogany]

@Eskhatos every company does that.

[@martinparzenfilm3498]

I think the s series is more a photography series in comparison with the GH5 or GH5s. If I have to choose a bigger option than GH5 or gh5s Tor Video shooting I would go with a canon c200 or Blackmagic URSA Mini or production cam 4K.

[@JomToons]

Why not make the Grip normal
Sized and have a larger body. It would come past the grip a little bit but would provide more internal space for better heat sink.

[@thebrothersthre3987]

Its really a full frame GH5. More rolling shutter and no 400mbps ALL-I(Which really wasn't that useful anyways). Better dynamic range and low light though (a lot better).

[@henr1k5]

The Pana S1 is for photos, the upcoming Pana SH1 will be more video oriented in the end of 2019

[@CameronGallagher96]

I think the S1 promises a bright future for Panasonic! It makes me
hope for a Full Frame EVA 2 (or 3) or even a FF GH series!
Even better the marriage between Leica, Sigma, and Panasonic is even better!
I’m not saying I’d buy one, but maybe rent one and see!

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Full frame EVA would be SICK.

[@CameronGallagher96]

DSLR Video Shooter I really think it’s going to happen! Especially with the rise of LF cameras like the Monstrous & Alexa LF, it’s only a matter of time before Sony & BM do it as well!

[@Savagetechdude]

Man. I really don't know what to do these days. I need to upgrade from my D750, but there are too many options anymore. I am starting to do more and more video. I really think that Panasonic's new full frame cameras would be a good choice, but the Z6 is looking great as well. Especially since I already have nikon glass.
If you think this is going to be the best camera under $5000, what puts it over the Z6?

[@howdyizzy]

Can't wait to see what they can do by the time they get to the S5, especially if it can be anywhere near as disruptive as the GH series. And even if it can't, I'm stoked to see what it does in terms of competition, especially with sony-- when they compete, we win!

[@brandonsimmonsmedia9631]

I wanted this camera to be everything they said it would be but the issues they have and the release date are too close to fix even half of these issues it seems. So fingers crossed for the A7S III now. Otherwise I'll keep using my GH5 and pick us a GH5S.

[@biscuitsalive]

You can compare anything you like. If both are to be used for video there is a ton of crossovers between GH5 and S1.
It’s pretty obvious people are going to want to know which is better, and for what purpose.
I don’t hold with this “you can’t compare these to cameras” nonsense.
There are differences, of course.
But that’s exactly why people like to see comparisons, to see exactly what the differences look like.

[@tobiasmoeckel]

Finally! Someone talking sense!
Thanks, solid arguments and reasoning, as always.

[@noenken]

Nope, I don't care if it is a completely different thing. Panasonic cameras had the advantage of 10bit, 4k60 and high bitrates. That is why people bought those. This new camera has none of those. I also still think it is crazy to buy a camera based on the promise of a feature update at some point in time. And without those the S1 is objectively a weaker video camera in every aspect (maybe except the ibis) than the Sony A7III. People voicing criticism about the S1 are not wrong at all. They are right.
The only thing wrong here is the title of the video.

[@billsmith5166]

Even with firmware updates, it looks like the best idea for Panasonic buyers that want full frame is to wait for next gen. There are just too many better options out there right now.

[@JoesVids]

Hey Caleb, I asked CVP how the IBIS compares to the GH5 and I was pleasantly surprised (considering the sensor size) when Jake from CVP replied the S1 is a little better.

[@yawningmarmot]

I still can't understand why on Earth Panasonic's being so defensive of their contrast-based AF and so stubborn about upgrading to phase or hybrid AF. While their flavor of contrast AF does seem to work fairly well for photo (at least on my G80 when there is decent light), it is just terrible for video and way outdated to boot. I hope they rethink this sooner than later and put phase AF into their GH6 (or whatever's next) just like Olympus did with their cameras.

[@imabigsandwich1292]

Problem about the fact that the s1 only have 150mbps at 10bit:
1, 150mbps cannot resolve 10bit 4:2:2 while the 400mbps all I codec can.
2, the 150mbps codec has a lot of problems when editing.
3, The lack of 400mbps All I codec means that a lot of people have to buy a Ninja V, so further increase in it's already steep prices and it's bulky size.
4, The 150mbps codec have some problems with skintone in vlog l, so imagine what will happen when using the even flatter vlog.

[@bencorwin]

Dang, I really want that full version of V-Log. I guess protecting their cinema line isn't a concern for Panasonic anymore? If so, please add it to the GH6!

[@tomkamin2676]

Bro, still doesent change that Canon has 4K60,Fullframe,with lower crop 4:2:2 8bit, it has it FOR TWO YEARS ALREADY. Yes, at a price, but i believe they could have squesed a lot more out of this.

[@moltenpros]

Why would they release a half-baked camera then charge for firmware upgrade? Did Panasonic hire Canon executive to run the company? I agree with the other people who are disappointed in the specs. You are a Panasonic guy so you are defending them but if you were honest you will be saying that this camera is a no-go. 15 min recording limit? Are they going backwards? Are we in the year 2000? Maybe the reason they took so long to release a full-frame camera is because they don't have the capabilities to make a good one.

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Wow... can't believe you did this Video! I've had enough of this UA-cam HYPE about a camera that no one yet has shown me it's worth over other FF camera for a lot less money! WHAT's WRONG and TRUE about the Panasonic S1 camera and lenses! First Caleb, I am an GH5 owner, invested heavily in Panasonic MFT system. I love MFT and Panasonic. I am not a fanboy of any BRAND,. I am a successful Professional Photographer in Canada of almost 30 years behind the lens, and I've used most Brands over the years, so it would be fair to say I know a bit about cameras and lenses.
So let's get REAL HERE... the new FULL FRAME LUMIX S1 & S1r from Panasonic (other than a larger sensor) doesn't even come "CLOSE in comparison to what the GH5 or G9" do. I don't see Panasonic proving there's better AF with these new Flagships, no articulating LCD screen, I don't see the value in the new XQD card slot and paying even more for the overpriced XQD Memory Cards, I'm already heavily invested in V90 SD cards well over $1,000. But most important I just don't see the value in what Panasonic is offering and the Retail price! There's much better out there, at these prices you could even look at Medium Format sensor size cameras that would blow this out of the water.
Here's what I found today on B&H website on the Pre-order prices for the Panasonic S1 and PRO 50mm f/1.4 Lens:
Panasonic Lumix S1 Camera Body = CAD $3,423.32
Panasonic Lumix S PRO 50mm f/1.4 Lens = CAD $3,042.08
TOTAL COST = CAD $6,465.40 (Est. with tax included)
Woohoo, that could buy a lot of cameras and lenses for the few who have this kinda cash to spend!
As a Professional Photographer, I would much prefer purchasing the PANASONIC S1R CAMERA priced today on Pre-order is an ASTONISHING = $5,018.70 Est. CAD. How ridiculously is that? Panasonic priced their S series cameras and at this time, even to only Pro glass is even out of my price range and budget for this year. I can't imagine many that will see the benefits spending this amount of cash into Panasonic S series Cameras today! I truly was excited and waiting to order a new Panasonic S1R camera, however now... Sony & Fuji will get my money for 2019. So glad there's so much competition in the market today :) We must remember it's not all about the gear!!!
That's why I can't believe you made this video Caleb! You usually are trying to save you subscribers money!! That why I don't understand you defending this camera and the costs. This doesn't come close to their GH Series cameras... and even if it did, at this price point it would have been a hard choice! In Full Frame there's much better out there at these prices.

[@lamasteve6905]

M43 is a mature system, but once Panasonic gets into full frame it will get flushed out. Look at what they did in M43. Look at there pro video cameras, there is no pro Nikon, they are small. Canon DSLR color is poor. My g9 focuses just right. The L line glass with full frame is very Pro equipment. Enjoy the great equipment, so much hard work goes into these new camera’s.

[@DSP1337]

-> For 4k25p run & gun = perfect
-> For 4k25p static (i.e. unsupervised event B-Cam) = less DOF than a GH5S, stopping down required, ISO advantage gone
-> For 4k60p run & gun (i.e. Weddings) = No "normal" lens available due to the crop factor of 1.5. A 17-55/2.8 would be needed to replicate the 24-105/4 or a 17~45/2.0 to replicate a 24-70/2.8. The current 24-105/4 is useless for 60p recording, and the DOF gets even greater (~5.6) with the crop. A GH5 with a 12-35 could probably produce similar images for a fraction of the price.
-> For 4k60p static = 30 Minute recording limit.
Bottom line: If you have a GH5 and / or GH5S, the S1 has little to no advantages. If you want slow motion and shallow DOF, you need to look somewhere else. If you want a static B-Cam, you need to look somewhere else. Only if you want to do documentary, the camera is decent but has no advantages to cameras like the A7III.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

i shoot documentary - i am buying the fuji X-T3. made my decision as soon as panny f'd up and released this monstrosity. if i wanted the weight of an fs7 (with inferior features) i would rent one.

[@Reyfox1]

how would the S1 not have shallow DOF? Is that not an advantage of FF over anything else with a smaller sensor? Sony says it only outputs 4k 24/30p to external recorders. Nice eh? Doesn't have 4K 60P at any crop. It will not have the dynamic range either recording 8bit video. Can only record up to 30 minutes.... really, no advantages over the A7III. You have to be kidding...

[@DSP1337]

@@Reyfox1 What the hell are you on about?
1) At 4k60p the S1 has a 1.5x crop decreasing the f4 DOF of the current "normal" lens to a DOF equal to f5.6. I can achieve the same DOF with my GH5 and a 12-35.
2) Yes, at 4k25/30p the S1 has no crop, but since in this mode it does not offer any slow motion -> The only use cases that are left for 4k25/30p (in my case), would be documentary or static event recording. And for the latter, a shallow DOF is mostly not wanted making the GH5 the better choice again. Leaving documentary work, where the S1 might shine, but where the weight might also be a disatvantage.

[@Reyfox1]

@@DSP1337 what are you talking about? Can the Sony A7III (a really good camera but you tossed it into the mix) shoot at 4K 60P? No. If you are shooting a wedding, why would you bring a "normal" (whatever that is) lens? You would take the right lenses for what you need to do. If that means you can't shoot at 4K 60P (which Sony can not shoot at) all the time, 30P will do.
The GH5 is a stellar camera no doubt. And if I had one, I would not see the S1 as an option/upgrade. But if you need a camera that can shoot great images, the GH5 while good is not great.
The camera is not for you. It's not for me either. The G9 is for me. But I won't trash it or any other camera because it's not for "me". It does not diminish the camera's capabilities at all. As you and I know, Panasonic did deliver an update for us to help make the camera better. They won't be sleeping on this one either.

[@who2999]

Really watching this camera with hopeful eyes as I'm looking to replace my tried and true Canon 70d within the next year or so. I work with Panasonic's and Sony's at my work and personally think my GH5 is leaps and bounds ahead when it comes to video production and if I were just looking for a video camera I'd snag a GH5 on the cheap when this thing hits. But for my personal cam I tend to look for something that's versatile for both stills and video and all the full frame options seem to kick the gh5's teeth in on the photo side. Would love this to be a best of both world situation but somehow doubt I'll get that lucky on a first generation release of a new system.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

I think the low light might even exceed the A7III, the noise floor pattern looks better than the A7III from 51200 and up.