Who is the WEAKEST Eighth Gym Leader in Pokémon?
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X/Y Gym Leaders not using Mega Evolutions felt like a crime tbh
Not Giving Gen 6 Pokémon Megas was dumb.
@@Nosretep FR
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@anthonyrondon4777 A Mythical most people don't have.
@@Nosretep Still a gen 6 mega
Wulfric having the highest levels of any gym does not make up for having only 3 Pokemon and no mega evolution in the game that introduced megas. Adding a Mamoswine or Beartic with a Mega Abomasnow would make him actually really good in a game that really could have used more challenge.
Don't all 3 of his pokémon also not even have full movesets?
@@harlock1550 His Abomasnow only has 3 moves, but at least the other 2 have full movesets. So he's not absolutely as bad as he could be.
@MrMagz924 Still, way worse than Giovanni.
@@harlock1550yeah, have you seen his Battle Maison sets? He runs a physical Cryogonal and a Special Avalugg.
@harlock1550 Absolutely, without a doubt. At least Nidoking and Nidoqueen are bulky and strong enough to wear you down if you can't one-shot them. The movesets overall aren't great, but having 5 pokemon alone makes him better than Wulfric's 3.
Fun fact: in yellow, Giovanni’s Dugtrio can be solo’d by a low-leveled Pidgey caught on Route 1. His Dugtrio has only ground-type attacks that can’t touch Pidgey. Teach the Pidgey Toxic and it’s just a waiting game at that point, and the level 2 bird takes down a level 50 Dugtrio without taking a single hit!
Dugtrio could really have used Slash over Fissure. Though, need to give the prepared player gratification.
@@KimFareseed Especially when Gen1 Slash on Dugtrio is about a 99% guarenteed Critical hit. 😅
@@Locormus2 I thought all high crit moves were glitched to always crit unless they missed in Gen I, which, by the way, every offensive move except Swift can miss in Gen I.
@@MasterArchfiendIt's speed dependent. Everything over base... 70 I think? Gets auto crit with high crit moves. (Remember, speed affected crit rate back then)
Everything else gets a majority chance, but not consistent
It's definitely Wulfric.
Even his gym feels underwhelming. Like GameFreak was running out of time so they just slapped moving parts, gave it an icy texture, and called it a day
They don't necessarily design the gyms in order of progress.. 😅
That gym is sick as hell idk what you say there lol
He should have had a Beartic
i almost beat grusha while being 25 levels underleveled
Definitely would have been an honorable mention if I had made them!
Dude same! 17 levels lower and lost only two pokemon. My Nacklstack that toughed it out two times was definetly the mvp.
I did
She is garbage for sure....an insult to ice types
I'm pretty sure a level 30 Ceruledge can sweep Grusha... this is SV we're talking about right?
It’s always baffled me how no Kalos gym leader post-Korrina uses a Mega in their battle, and on top of that, despite a Dex of 454 (minus a good handful of legendaries & mythicals), they only gave them a 3 Pokémon maximum; at least gen 5 had the excuse of a much more limited Dex size.
At that point gym leaders using their region’s gimmick had no precedence, and mega evolution was meant to be more impactful and show the bond between trainer and Pokémon rather than being just a tool, which is why the only 4 characters to use it all play a role in the story.
They should’ve made the gym leaders more relevant like in Unova but I imagine they already had a hard time fitting in the characters they had.
Not to mention that the game also gifts you a lot of strong pokemon as well: a Mega Lucario, a Mega gen 1 starter, a focking Steelix. That should be more than enough reason to pump up the difficulty.
@@Gafafsg While I do understand what you're saying, if Lysandre gets to use a Mega Gyarados, literally every leader past Korrina should be able to use a Mega too. I'm sure Wulfric's Abomasnow has a deeper bond with him than Gyarados and Mr. "Pokémon will no longer exist"
@@this_name_is_taken And if you got the game early, a free Torchic that'll become Mega Blaziken which alongside Greninja/Chesnaught and Mega Venusaur/Mega Blastoise gives the player access to a powerful Grass, Fire and Water core that clears all of XY while still having three empty spaces in the team for pretty much anything you want.
I know Pokèmon isn't ment to be really challenging (with some outliers) but there's a difference between hand holding and giving the player liberal access to a game breaking mechanics (Megas, team EXP share, friendship buffs, etc). I felt kinda bad for Ramos, imagine all the players that essentially burned down his gym after mega evolving their Blaziken or Charizard... lol!
Wulfric in game: 😪
Wulfric in anime: 🥶
Same could be said for all of the late game Kalos Leaders.. Olympia in the anime is cool but ingame she's just Walmart Sabrina
if you walk into volkner without checking his moveset expecting to earthquake sweep through his team you can get caught by a nasty ice beam off his octillary so imo he really isn't that bad
Why is volkner here? He's actually an okay challenge and has solid movesets to go with a team you aren't expecting.
And in platinum he has more electric types being jolteon and electivire who are pretty strong pokemon for late game
However, I believe he is specifying his D/P team not Pt
Hit earthquake equal to the number of Pokémon he has and he loses, in both games.
Platinum giving you the eq tm so early alongside roughly 10 of the 15 actually usable Pokémon (taking from memory didn't actually count) in sinnoh learning earthquake, alongside the greater challenge that is cyrus before volk and that in DP the ai is random so it doesn't even know how to use it's moves, its fair.
Tho tbh all of these videos have had some very strange decision making and biases, taking a lot of context out of what Pokémon the regions have (cough cough Watson for third gym leader, yes he gets swept by a ground move but you're not guaranteed to have one of the two Pokémon that actually learn ground type moves. Or saying Kabu is bad because you *can* just sweep him with a carkoal, but that's asking you to do something in particular, versus just using super effective stab with whatever you have available.
I'm not really su
He gets swept by Torterra
@shadycactus7896 Most Gyms in the series are swept by a pokemon if you have it.
Let’s be honest Volkner is iconic for looking like Minato lol
I think Volkner's weakness isn't a good example because he's explicitly supposed to be phoning it in.
You didn’t explain why the second one is easy, if anything not having many electric types sounds like it would be harder because you need more coverage
I always thought Volkner should have been an elite fourth and Flint be a gym leader given how their types have different amount of pokemon
Funfact:in let’s go the Gym leaders Misty lt.Surge and Erika have the Eeveelutions
There is some missing stuff there:
1. The Let's Go games feature the Generation I Pokémon + Meltan and Melmetal.
2. The only Eeveelutions available back then were Vaporeon, Jolteon, and Flareon.
3. Leafeon is a Generation IV Pokémon, and despite evolving from a Generation I Pokémon, it is NOT part of that Generation.
4. Unlike the original Kanto games, you get to battle each Gym Leader once a day (except Giovanni, who is replaced by Blue); three of the Gym Leaders have Eeveelutions, with Misty's being Vaporeon, Surge's being Jolteon, and Blaine's being Flareon.
Misty only has vaporeon in the rematch though
@@voltstorm2519 and I also forgot to mention that Surge and Blaine have the other Kanto Eeveelutions available during the rematches only.
@@leonnoel9661 would have been cool if they let them have them during the main fights just to change up their teams a bit
It would have been cool. In Let's Go Games they should've add all the Eeveevolutions along with the evolutions and pre evolutions of every Kanto Pokemon.
I would say that Geovanni's weakness is most disappointing. He's meant to be one of the game's big bosses, in defeating him you beat Team Rocket and complete a big part of the story, for all of those reasons he should not be destroyed by an under leveled Goldeen
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 Game Freak did a better job building his team in Yellow Version but failed to repeat that in later Kanto games.
Volkner is always so challenging for me, I haven’t played DP in a bit but I remembered last time I played I had a Palkia and Infernape and I still struggled a lot
And finally, a Kalos Gym Leader gets recognized as the worst of its level.
Giovanni's Nidoking has Thunder which surprised me as a kid
Only in Yellow, thats why the Red and Blue Version was choosen.
Marlon from B&W2! Not only his team is extremely easy to beat, the character itself lacks some of that "big last gym" energy - I mean, he even asks if Team Plasma is bad...
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1.) Carracosta can guarantee live a hit thanks to it's Sturdy ability and can setup with Shell Smash and attack it with a mixed set consist of Physical and Special Moves
2.) Wailord can setup Amnesia with that monstrous 170 HP
(yeah I know Amnesia increases SpDef but combine with it's bulk, can be a threat)
Wailord has the Water Veil ability which prevents burn allowing Wailord attack with Rollout and Bounce without lowering it's physical attack
3.) Jellicent can setup with Recover and possible an Omniboost from Ominous Wind and burn you with Scald and sometimes can hit with Brine that doubles if the opponent's HP is half or lower
@@threstytorres4306Yeah, but this is also gen 5 AI that tends to shoot itself in the foot when it comes to stat boosting.
Marlon is really free.
Wulfric actually acknowledged the fact that his gym is all or nothing in the type department
I’ll give a pass for Giovani since he is the first and they didn’t expect the series to get popular, but the guy from X and Y has no reason to be this easy at least Giovani is tough without water type moves
Giovanni puts up a decent fight in Yellow Version. His Pokémon in Yellow have much better movesets than in Red and Blue with coverage for his main weaknesses, and his Persian can help him prevent a sweep with its high speed and pure Normal typing.
volkner is easily the strongest 8th gym leader canonically since he was the only 8th gym leader that competed in the tournament in journeys and got far, top 20 or 30 if i remember correctly
giovanni in pokemon go is tuff sometimes tho
Ive seen a ranking video wherea dude simulated more tha a million Pomemon battles. Every Gym Leader, Top4 member and Champ fights 100 times each againstevery other of these trainers. Wulfrick was the highest ranked Gym leader of all gym leaders, he was ranked higher than three of the gen 6 Top4 members. Diantha btw was ranked in the top 10 of all trainers
link?
To be fair with Giovanni, ground and rock type were very similar in Gen 1 without any Pokemon to be used as a defender, unless developers could have give Earthquake and Dig to some of the Pokemon on his team (because it's like developers forgot to give good attacks to some species in generation 1, even Psyduck and Sandshrew didn't learn any attack of its types), and keep Kangaskhan on his team too, with Body Slam in it's moveset.
I think Wulfric is more inferior than Giovanni
1.) Wulfric has three pokemon, just Three. Unlike most (last) gym leader has at least four pokemon
2.) His lead Abomasnow has onlt three moves, and as you said, doesnt have any encounters to common weaknesses. Like why dont they give Abomasnow Rock Slide
3.) Avalugg has worse Special Defense than Physical Defense, but most Fire Type (moves) are Special
4.) Cryogonal has worse Physical Defense than Special Defense, but most Rock Type (moves) are Physical
5.) Since you battle Lysandre with his Mega Gyarados before Wulfric. He should've Mega-Evolved his Abomasnow which has a base stat that is weaker than pseudo-legendary pokemon
Points 3 and 4 together silly. Incineroar is good against physical moves, but water is mostly special. Ho-oh is has insane special defense, but rock is physical. Does that make either of those terrible? Does Glalie solve the fire and rock trouble for ice by having equal defenses?
@@user-kh7zf I'm not talking about how Cryogonal and Avalugg that are useless... The difference between their Physical and Special Defense is Massive that a mixed attacker pokemon would decimate his entire team
Wallace is my fav so seeing him at the beginning of the video gave me a heart attacj
Adding on to Giovanni a bit. In Yellow, his Dugtrio only has Ground type moves. So, theoretically, you could bring a Pidgey or Spearow caught around Viridian City and it'll be able to beat the Dugtrio.
Volkner actually had the best ai cause he would actually switch his Pokemon if he’s in a disadvantage
Volkner got that Octillery for Ground Types
I feel like Giovanni from Fire Red and Leaf Green should of been on the list instead of the Red and Blue version as the Fire Red and Leaf Green version has two Rhyhorns instead of a Rhydon, but overall great video!!
The Rys die anyway from Surfe before seeing any Action. But FireRed, and Leaf Green got overall better Movesets, OG Giovanni used Leer, and Tail Wip for his Gymfight.
And his Ai is braindead. FireRed is way harder, despite powering down in Team Construction.
I swept wulfric with an unevolved fennekin, and only that fennekin, with help from 1 or 2 x sp. atks
Thats not much of a feet, two X up are quiet powerfull. And as long as you outspeed theres not much risk to get KO.
I really think that when examining these questions, we should look to the penultimate and polished versions of these characters. For example, Giovanni’s team is much more diverse in Yellow than in the RGB games. Volkner sorts out his weird team composition in Platinum.
Although, what always bothered me is… so, I’m a Fire type trainer. To the core, always will be, fire is super cool. But I always made sure to have a strong Grass type with me who could sweep if I got bombarded by water or rock/ground types. I’d love to see gym leaders canonically start to account for meta counters and whatnot. Like if Flint had a meta-counter pick on his team instead of his current absolute mismatch. Could you imagine him leading with a Sunny Day Roserade, or something? That’s way better than “oh bunny girl is “”””hot”””” so we put her on fire type team aha” any day.
That was weird how Volkner had Ambipom and Octillery, but OG Bruno was by far the weirdest boss trainer i remember; 2 Onix instead of maybe Primeape or the fighting dojo's Hitmons
Giovannis Team would be quite good with modern movesets or even just the options from the heavily increasedmovepool
game freak gave us the challenge and easy modes in BW2 and they said “yeah let’s stick with the version for babies” when they released gen 6… still my favorite region
Volkner's Ambipom literally one shotted my Staraptor with a single Shock Wave boosted by Techincian and Nasty Plot as a kid
His Ambipom was a monster
Yellow Version Giovanni was a huge Problem when i was a kid i swear Nidoking never missed Thunder
Poor Volkner, you fight him right after catching pokemon satan.
Wulfric exists in a game where you can train a full team of 6 in a viable fashion.
Giovanni at least exists in a game where you're probably raising like, two things lest you fall behind.
Giovanni in main series games: 🥸🏜️
Giovanni in Pokemon Go: 💀
I purposely build my teams without type advantages against final gym leaders to make it more challenging, but I go back to advantage building for the elite 4.
It’s absolutely Wulfric, love his design but if you have any fire type you just stand there and watch his team melt. I will say Marlon and Grusha aren’t much better, with less excuse
RB Giovanni at least has an excuse that it was the first generation, and they didn't have things figured out yet. Wulfric has no excuses.
Dude, when I played Pokemon Platinum, I honestly got disappointed when I battled Volkner, I defeated his entire team in just one hit,Also, I only took 1 hit, and it was a Quick Attack,Man, I hated battling in the gyms in Pokémon Platinum, the third gym was absurdly difficult while the others were all easy,Now I'm in the elite four of the game and I can't even beat the first guy, I simply hate and love Pokemon Platinum ;-;
Wulfric no question hands down 😂
I personally get why some people hate Wulfric but I personally think it's too much like yeah he's weak but it's not he's fault is the developer's fault for making the kalos gym leaders weak I think Wulfric is cool asf like he is so cool I think he deserves a little love I heartily believe that I am not the only one who loves Wulfric please tell me if you are a Wulfric appreciateder as me
Definitely no hate from me towards Wulfric, like you said, it’s on the devs for XY’s poor balancing
Hes a cool Dude, but His Team ist abysmal for the 8. Arena 😅
At least he tells you directly. " Depending on your team i could be your toughest challenge yet, or a total pushover". Giovanni is worse Simply for the fact that he is not just Gym 8, but the enemy team leader.....and you also beat him twice before this.
@@DLOArceus Maybe its my nostalgia speaking, but i think we need to look at the cirumstances of the game too. Today Giovannis team may look pretty pathetic, but when red/blue came out back in the day, i thought him to be kind of imposing. His mons where very cool looking and ferocious ( to bad he didt use the kangama for arena fight so)and you normaly would fight him with a lvl disadvantage. An in yellow we could get a glimpse of how much of a monster he would have been, with decent attack sets.
@@pilgerfuchs219 too bad that the video itself spells It out. Even a kid has a mon with Surf.
“I got a great idea! Let’s put the ice gym late in the game, and then give them slow mons!”
I love ice type so much but god DAMN ALMOST EVERY REP IS MADE TO BE DISRESPECTED
Doesn't Wulfric ONLY have 3 moves and 3 mons on his team.... that alone should cause him to be the worst lol
Only his abomasnow has 3 moves. That's better than the even newer games I guess.
Volkner is ingenious when you think about it! i mean you cant get one shot by earthquake if most your party isnt weak to it.
You would prolly say the same thing about the electric guy if he had all straight up electric types instead of ice types.
No? The Problem is Ice is extremely slow, and has a million Weaknesses. Electro has one and is fast.
Ice is just a extremely bad Type.
I beat Grusha 20 levels lower and it was my 2nd gym. Give them an honourable mention at least
Embarassing story but I almost lost to Wulfric my first playthrough...
This was not only my first Pokemon game but also my first RPG so I didnt grasp the idea of levels yet...
So I went in with as many Pokemon as had the Type Advantage, taking my Charizard but also underleveld Steelix, Houndour, Flareon and Machoke, rounding out my team with my Greninja because even if it didnt have the type advantage, bringing my strongest Pokemon still felt like a good idea. (Although I realize recounting this story that I had just replaced Hawlucha and had Lucario on my Team... dont know why my little brain skipped them when they also had type advantage, AND were high enough level...)
Houndour struggled against most Gym Trainers, had to swap into Charizard multiple times, when I made it to the Gym, I lead with Charizard, almost swepped his Team until Avalugg pulled an Uno Reverse card, Revenge Killing my Charizard and sweeping the 4 underleved pokemon. I had just taught my Greninja Hydro Pump and got really bad luck on the rival fights, missing everytime. I regretted learning the move since it had seemed useless up until then with it's low accuracy and Greninja being a Glass Cannon. Still, I didnt think any of Greninja's other moves could defeat the Avalugg so I had to take the gamble. I barely eeked out that win and from that point on I finally comprehended how important levels are
Why the frick did Wulfric not have 5 Pokémon? Why freaking 3!?!
Like you cannot tell me that a beartic, Glalie, hell even a freaking Froslass wouldn’t have fit thematically with his stoic but cold looking team.
I thought for a second ambipom's nasty plot animation showed middle finger
Wulfric would’ve been a fast answer if it weren’t for volkner being a half electric trainer half ace trainer 😂
Volkner has more electric types in platinum when they added more pokemon especially since DP Flint had all of 2 fire types on his team
Juan from Emerald...
There is also the problem that Wulfric’s avalugg has no survivability with special moves, meaning the starter delphox still beats it easily, plus only 3 pokemon for an 8th gym is crazy
Wulfric is the worst but would be better if he used some Ice/Water types or had access to Hisuian Avalugg since the only other Ice/Rock type is Amaura and its evolution.
Valid choice. But I’d go Volkner. The other 2 have some aura. That is my reason 😭
Volkner being depressed because he didn't get the crown
For volkner, it doesn't help that the trainer ai is the same as wild pokemon ai in daimon and pearl.
If I can give Giovanni anything, its that his team is the way it is because of Gen 1 problems. NPCs using level up moves only, level up sets in general being bad. Wulfric has NO excuse in that regard
i still think it's definitely grusha
the only player ive ever seen struggle on grusha was alpharad and thats because he was spamming metronome
When i first played X my team still had butterfree vs the gym leaders😂
Wulfric doesn’t even have complete move sets as the EIGHTH gym leader
Losing his Kangaskhan it’s Giovanni. I love Kangaroos and his just went away with no reason given 😂
Every Gym Leader in XY SHOULD’VE had a Mega.
Or even Gyms 4-8 & the E4 should’ve.
(Korrina gives you the Mega Ring & Lucario + Lucarionite)
Everything after Korrina “unlocks” Mega Evolution for you SHOULD have a Mega.
But especially Wulfric? Gym 8 should be the hardest challenge before the Pokémon League.
Cryogonal
Avalugg-Kalos
+ Walrein
Abomasnow [Mega]
I could never put Wulfric. He claimed 2 of my party members during a nuzlocke
Grusha man and Wulfric as well
Wulfric is the worst by a lot. The main reason is that he only has 3 Pokémon despite being the final gym leader when he should have 4 or 5. Additionally he should have a Mega Abomasnow since by this point the player has had to fight Lysandre's Mega Gyarados and the training wheels should be off.
Kingdra AND Milotic💙💙
Remember that they basically scripted Misty to use an X Defense in Gen1.
Now explain why they didn't script Giovanni to use X Accuracy? So his signature move Fissure would actually be a menace?
But no! They gave him Guard Spec! Hopeless!
Volkner is just the most disappointing. Would have been so much better if he had Electivire and Magnazone on his team. Would have also accepted Porygon Z as well, as it is practically an honourary electric type
Wulfric for sure
Imo, Volkner's team in Platinum is worse since he has nothing against ground really and earthquake spam just sweeps him. But either way, imo Volkner should have been replaced by Grusha.
Its funny these guys are almost the strongest in lore
They fixed bulkner in platinum he had a solid electric team but you can still solo him with a steelix or torterra
Grusha was a pushover as well. He was the worst last gym leader, in my opinion. Him being a snowboarder was cool, tho
Wulfric's movepool make him worse than any other trainer in his gym
They really should’ve gave some of the later gyms mega-evolution.
If you wanted to by a bunch of ethers and widdle down giovanni with a pidgey from the wild you could win like that
Yes but at least Wulfric has a cool design
Giovanni can be a threat with a under leveled team because of fissure. Otherwise, yeah, low diff.
I don't know but Pokemon is becoming easier and easier after every gen
I swept Marlon (B2W2) with a single Haxorus 😂💀 Mold Breaker go brr
I swept him with serperior💀 leaf blade goes brrrr
Wulfric easily.
He needs more pokemon and abasnow needs to be mega. Kalos needs all need a mega - even Viola and grant despite being before players can mega. It makes the games harder which js what players want
Every gym leader Korrina and beyond not having megas during their gym battles in Kalos is beyond me
I'd hardly say itself fair even considering Giovanni weak, just because late game you always have easy answers for any mono-type team. Giovanni is fine for a Ground gym leader. He has the same strengths and weaknesses as any Ground gum leader. You should only look at team comp, not take their placement in game as a flaw. There's not much any late game battle can do against the player.
In Giovanni's defense most Gen 1 movesets were pretty bad.
Wulfric only has 3 pokemon, 2 of them don't even have full movesets.
Being the last gym leader with the weakest defensive type with only 3 Pokemon is unreal
Yeah, it makes me sad to say it cause i like his design and personality, but def Wulfric.
Especially since the game gives you a free Mega Lucario.
How was his team ever meant to be a challenge just based on that alone? Lucario annihilate ice types.
Wulfric got done dirty. He has one of the mist badass designs in all of pokemon, he looks straight outta one piece, yet he got such a weak team.
I get what they were going for, but that is no excuse
Wulfric is beyond easy
Wulfric by a fuggin landslide. What kind of 8th Gym leader has just 3 Pokémon? And he didnt even use Megas. Not like he didn't have options; Mega Abomasnow was right there 🗿. My Pyroar solo'd his whole team when I was playing Pokémon Y
I'm going Wulfric with only 3 Pokemon and 3 moves each. He also has a lot more options than Giovanni
I'd argue that giovanni from Gen 3 is even worse than Gen 1 since his Ace is FRLG is Rhyhorn...
Not Rhydon, but Rhyhorn.
Water type in an electric gym… but I mean let’s be real the 3DS era was so easy
I havent heard anyone talking about how terrible grusha is, (not sure if hes the last gym leader but i think he is) hr doesnt have 6 pokemon, is an ice type special, and is soo easy its laughable, which sucks cuz i love his design, and the game hypes him up so much for no reason :(