Dune (2021) Review | Quinn's Ideas
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14:52 My God, Jason Idaho.
We are going tomorrow, can't wait to see my man crush in a movie based on one of my fav. books :D
To get more into the part he changed his surname, respect
Ah yes, the serial Jasons.
Yeah I picked up on that too.
Borne and Mamoa are related by First-Name.
The two things I’ve been looking forward to this year: Dune and Quinn’s reaction to Dune.
Agreed!
Me too
Same here!
Came here to say that, haha. Seeing this video appear made me so happy. (I'm seeing it this weekend so I'll hold off on actually watching this yet. I'll be back to hear Quinn's thoughts, though!)
Exactly!
Now let’s hope two things:
1- DUNE Part 1 Extended Edition Director’s Cut
2- DUNE Part 2
Part 2 first, then work on the DC.
An extended cut is not happening
I read within the last day or so that a sequel is okayed. Maybe it was wrong though, I'm not claiming to know.
But I am extremely hopeful.
Hope a Part Three (based on Massiah) would round things out well.
What I've heard is that it is not actually a two-part movie it's in fact going to be a trilogy with the second movie covering the second part of the first novel and the third movie covering the second novel Dune Messiah. If this is true I hope that they do the other books too.
Someone actually made an interesting observation that the visions Paul saw in the movie are actually not "alternate" timelines but rather they are metaphorical interpretations of what happens, remember Chani gave Paul the knife he used to kill Jamis, and we know Paul heard "when you take a life you take your own", so Chani stabbing him in the vision is a metaphor for her giving him the knife he used to kill Jamis and therefor kill the young naïve Paul for good.
Also the vision with Jamis teaching him the ways of the Fremen was also a metaphor from Jamis not only showing Paul who far the Fremen are willing to go for their beliefs but also by killing him Paul literally becames one of them, so in a way he taught him a lot about the Fremen, it's quite an interesting way to interpret those scenes and surely holds some weight.
Just saw the movie so I'm a bit late but one thing I don't see people mention about Jamis teaching Paul is that Paul has a vision of what Jamis is going to teach him, and thereby is taught that exact thing by Jamis in that moment. He never has to have Jamis teach it to him 'in real life' because he did it in the vision. A self fulfilling vision in a way.
That's exactly how I took it!! In regards to Fremen. I got to watch it again, and I just finished it. Man, such a great movie!!
This how I saw them in the books too. Which is why he needed to take the Water of Life.
Nice.
This makes more sense, I feel a little bit better now knowing this and not that he ended up having to kill his future good friend and guide. I was really bummed for him lol
There is this beautifully devised scene in the movie, when Duncan arrives in the desert to save Jessica and Paul and they all hug like family, and then Duncan gets a hold of himself, calls Jessica "My Lady" and pays homage to Paul, the new duke. Absolutely wonderful.
I also love this scene. It gives emotional depth to characters, makes them more human. Great writing:)
Yeah how good was that. The love that Duncan has for Paul and his family is so evident in that scene.
Incredible musical moment in that scene, too.
@@torrhenstark5876 Which means I must see this movie again...
Yes it was very moving. I had my doubts about the choice of Jason Momoa as Duncan, but he 'owned' that role.
I loved what they did with the Sardaukar. People often overlook, the Sardaukar worshipped the Emperor, so portraying them as a fanatical cult, with elaborate rituals was spot on.
The Sardaukar are the best thing in this film
If the Emperor commands it, it is done.
It was also just a really efficient way to introduce and explain them. In the book there’s a decent amount of exposition about the emperor’s Sardaukar and how terrifying and almost inhuman they are. I was a little worried the movie wouldn’t be able to capture that but they managed to do it with a single scene that was only a minute or two long.
Definite warhammer 40k vibe coming from them... which is accurate since 40k basically got the idea from the Sardaukar.
I got some crazed space viking vibes from them. A++
Well, That's That. Mamoa's name is now officially "Jason Idaho."
Done.
Duncan
@@simonambler3967
The OP misspoke about 3/4 of the way through his video.
He said "Jason Idaho. Listen back and you'll find it.
It was a funny stumble, and I Declared that's Mamosa's official name, now.
Tou know, as a joke?
Don't they have jokes on your planet???
@@snarflcat6187 on my planet, the legend of Jason Idaho is everywhere.
Actor, desert warrior, water drinker.
Sorry, misunderstood
@@simonambler3967 no..... don't mention duncan ... my heart
21:45 She didn't just command it to leave. She used the voice. Which was a really cool detail, because it reassures us that the creature is a cognizant human to some degree which makes it even worse.
the Harkonnens were brutal to the ultimate... My guess is, it was probably Wanna being fused with others, in a multituous body. and the Baron lied when he said she was dead, which is just cruel... so cruel, wow.
@@SightForMemories the Baron didn't lie, whatever that thing was, it wasn't Yueh wife
@@rodrigobogado8756 abstraction and differentiation is illusionary after all... potato po"tah"to
I'm guessing that is yuehs wife
I actually think the visual was a clever, most succinct way to explain Mentats: his eyes turned white, and he did a complex calculation. I think that was the quickest, most clever way to explain his status as a human computer.
I loved that as well. A really nice touch. Still, I'm hoping the mentats (and all the palace intrigue) are explored in greater detail in a 3.5 hour director's cut. 😃
I agree, but I also think they could have utilized it a little more to drive it home, and def do a little more with Piter. While I think the average viewer will understand what happened, I don't think they will understand the why. Maybe they will develop that backstory of the world a little bit more in the next movies.
@@jccouture13 mentats are definetely an important part of Dune's lore and story, but in this first movie I feel like it was a reasonable cut, it wouldn't have had much use to explain who they are and what they do considering what happens, not why it happens, just what happens, it's a lot if you think about it, especially for people not already familiar with the story. I'm sure we'll gonna get a deeper explanation in the next movie(s)
I haven't seen the film yet but the fact that Stephen McKinley Henderson wasn't featured in any promotion as part of the "ensemble cast" made me assume Thufir Hawat was getting phased out compared to the book, where they expanded Duncan Idaho since they got Jason Momoa and wanted to have more action for the film to be more marketable.
@asdfasdf Looked to me like more models than CGI. I'm dying to see the "making of" featurette though.
this movie taught me that Star Wars utterly wasted Oscar Isacs
Fr I was amazed by his performance in Dune
I found Issacs was really wasted in Dune. Amazing that it takes nearly an hour to even hear his name- Duke Leto. He has astoundingly few lines, a single intimate interaction with his son, and generally walks around looking confused while his lines indicate that he's actually quite aware of the situation- the situation is just never really explained to the audience until it happens. Great from a visual perspective, utterly terrible as a character-building exercise. I'm well aware Duke Leto's only around for half the book anyways, but he seemed so stilted and 'out of place,' even more so for a person who *should* be out of place on Arrakis, his acting instead felt like it was coached to be as robotic and reserved as possible.
@@nokeksgiven Agreed on all fronts.
He was wasted in this ass of a movie too
@@Shamino1 OK you obviously didn't read the book because Leto died in the first 3rd (the book is separated into 3 "books"/parts). Also these are evolved humans in the distant future they're not going to act like us, your suspension of disbelief should have activated at the 0:00 mark of the movie so him knowing what needs to be done is chalked up to him being informed on his new position and likely spying in their arch enemies the Harkonnens and their methods of spice excursions while he was investigating the Fremen. I'd go on how your take is useless but frankly I've already wasted enough time writing this
Best visual depiction of The Voice: The Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam commands Paul to come to her and he instantly finds that he has already done it. The sound and Chalamet's expressiveness in that moment had the audience FEELING the distress that Paul must have experienced at that violation of his person and his will.
No, the best depiction of the "voice" is in the Lynch movie. And the costumes of the BG witches in Denis' movie, especially the reverend mother, looks ridiculous compared to the Lynch costumes which were fantastic.
@@theexmann Interesting. I put both of those things in my top 20 reasons Lynch's Dune was nearly intolerable. Oh well, to each their own, I guess. I'll probably never understand furries, either.
@@theexmann Lynch's version was pure shit . I can not even watch half an hour .
@@sherklokholmes-er4mw I watched the sci-fi channel adaption first and couldn’t even watch five minutes of Lynch’s movie
@@theexmann those "hairlines" though
One thing you didn't mention that really stood out to me: we finally got fully realized ornithopters. The ones in Dune 1984 were ridiculous. The ones in this film were incredible.
The concept of Paul having prescient visions of him and Jamis being friends and then, in reality, having to kill him in a duel is still blowing my mind.
I was a friend of Jamis," Paul whispered. "Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it."
Love seeing a different perspective on a well loved work. What a wonderful job the actor who played Jamis did. It occurred to me that part of why Paul chose his path was because of Chani.
@@kerrissedai6857 he fell in love with her and wanted to tell her when she gave him the knife
In the vision before the fight while Paul is bleeding out Jamis comes and takes his hand. I think that’s why Paul takes his hand afterward
The head witch planted that vision in his mind
I got chills when Paul started freaking out during his vision of the Jihad. Such a good performance by Timothee Chalamet.
The acting was good but I wished that the vision would have been slightly more elaborate. I mean, my first thought when I saw those burning bodies they were just a aftermath of the battle of Arrakeen. Not the result of a holy war across thousands of worlds.
@@murtumaton Thought that was the most glaring weakness in the film. The jihad that was going to rage across the galaxy killing billions was conveyed by a couple of dozen folk fighting, a glimpse of a small pile of bodies burning and some soldiers saluting Paul on his ship. It's small scale made Paul's reaction seem excessively histrionic.
@@murtumaton Agreed. The one shot of crusaders looking up at Paul on his flagship in a worshipful manner was the only scene that gave me the horror vibes that holy war should inspire. Still a great movie, just would be even better if there were more scenes of the future Paul is trying to avoid.
@@wzero07 For me, it would have worked if the vision had been more harrowing
I love the tiny detail that Liet Kynes, when she got pierced by that Sardaukars blade through her stillsuit, she 'bleeds' water from her suit. That was such an absolutely poetic moment.
I noticed that too, that was so subtle but genius.
Can u explain how it was poetic. That was a moment I skipped back to because it caught my attention. But my intuition told me it’s not something I’ll be able to figure out
@@ubabes._ I think it has to do with the importance of water in myth and actual need on the planet. How much Liet’s life was about changing the face of the planet from a desert. Water is so much more important than blood on this planet.
@@ubabes._ For one, it symbolizes that she IS a Fremen inside. Especially beautiful as this is the moment she is finally, in her last moments able too look the imperial lackeys in the eye and tell them they can put their emperror where the sun doesn‘t shine, tha she, only serves shai-hulud. She struggled with having to keep up her sharade and play along with her imperial orders to be able to play the long game for her people. Now, as she looks down and is bleeding water out of her stillsuit like a Fremen, she not only realizes this is her end, but also that she will drop the theatre and die the proud Fremen she really is and not getting executed by the Sardaukar like a creature of the emperror.
For nr 2, that may be a spoiler for part 2. Just keep that detail in mind.
Sharon was 100% boss as Kynes and she got a boss exit. Loved loved loved her.
Jamis was one of the most fascinating characters to me. In Paul's vision's he's a friend and mentor. Then Paul meets him and he's like "You can't be fremen I demand to kill you and your mother for your water". And then Paul has to fight him to the death. I couldn't stop thinking about that after the movie. Then I remembered that fremen have spice in their blood. It's likely that some of them can see into the future like Paul . Maybe when Jamis saw Paul he recognized him. He knew that he had to give Paul a hard introduction into fremen culture and test him to see if he was really the messiah. If Paul failed, oh well, he wasn't the messiah. If he passed, Jamis would be dead. And he chose to go through with it anyway. In a way Jamis was a friend to Paul and he did give him a crash course in the ways of the fremen.
Oh man that's an awesome read. I was so puzzled by that. Assumed I'd misappropriated the two faces but actually yes they are the same person and this theory absolutely works
Or maybe he [SPOILERS FOR DUNE MESSIAH] saw what the Fremen would become if they followed Paul and tried to stop it.
That is actually a great insight. I felt terrible for Paul having to kill someone who could have been a good friend and mentor.
@@astralax Well then he didn't look far enough. Everything Paul does leads to the God Emperor and thus the golden path and mankind's true freedom.
Great theory! It brings to mind something Jessica said during the "I am a friend of Jamis" scene, where she claims that his spirit surrendered to Paul in service of the Fremen dream. The possibility that she could have been partially aware of the truth, instead of just BG bullshitting, has made the funeral scene that much more impactful for me. Other fans' interpretations of the film have enriched my experience of the book, so thank you.
The way they did the voice was so good. When Paul tells Jessica to get off of him in the tent I literally jumped
I noticed people in my theater jumping every time the voice was used, and I loved it
Same
yo same
seriously, when you read it you only get the idea that he's mad and yells but in the movie it like makes your bones vibrate
I think the voice effect is why Imax has been pushed for this movie.
Jamis was a teacher in Paul’s vision. In this reality, Jamis teaches Paul the harsh reality of the people of Dune and in his death, Paul’s education begins.
I also like Paul's reaction to Jamis' death. He was so sorry because he meant no harm and thought Jamis would be his teacher
Janis was my friend and he taught me about the desert. one of the things i like most considering the visions are entirely made up.
Beat me to it!
I feel like they wanted to make a lot of Paul's visions be more metaphorical than literal to keep them more mysterious and ambiguous for the viewers. It's not especially fun for the audience to see what's going to happen ahead of time, but they have to get the idea of Paul seeing the future in some form or fashion. I think this was a good compromise.
I wonder if they’ll cover how Paul inherits Jamis’ possessions and responsibility for his wife. The Janis storyline is very important in the books and it’s cool that the movie understands that.
The way you see Paul dying is actually symbolism because Paul Atreides had to die in order for Muad’dib to rise and be born.
That's how I interpreted it while watching the movie, too. Similiarly, the reason for the vision of Chani "killing" Paul is that she's the one who handed him the knife, which is what enables him to become a killer (and in turn, "kill" his old self).
In fact, I assumed the whole reason why the camera lingers on Chani for so long after the duel, was so that the audience would have time to remember that vision and connect the dots.
Yeah the old must die for the new to rise
In terms of the movie, yes, it serves that purpose. In terms of what it is happening IN the movie, no. Paul doesn't see visions of metaphors; he's prescient and literally sees possible futures.
That little desert mouse foreshadowing was great
My jaw dropped and I couldn't stop myself from saying "ohhhhhh shit" when Duncan regained consciousness and pulled the sword out of his own chest to keep fighting. I was not expecting it at all. He really died like a legendary hero, Valhalla for him guaranteed.
that scene (and that character in general, killing hundreds of the emperor's troops working against the whole tone of the scene that things are hopeless for the Atreides) is a blatant concession to the Marvel audience, as was the casting of that actor who is known for 'le epic and badass' physical roles
@@helvete_ingres4717 - untrue. In the Dune universe, Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck are legendary warriors in their own time. They've trained Atreides troops, which are why they are becoming a match for the Sardaukar. SPOILER AHEAD!!!!
In the next books, the Sardaukar were so impressed with Idaho, having found the bodies of 30 fallen Sardaukar around him, they scooped up his body and began to clone him.
@@helvete_ingres4717 That's a bit silly. Acts of extreme heroism in war are real, even if they are a beaten down trope in cinema. When I saw the movie I couldn't help but think of the unknown viking who died defending Stamford Bridge against impossible odds, killing over a dozen men.
@@Blacksmith__ it's not the heroism, it's the way it undermines the sense of the scene the film has built up - that this is a hopeless situation, and the enemies are a real threat. The film undermines itself for the sake of having the same 'badass' fight scenes & choreography that every action movie has, b/c imo the Marvel crowd don't want to see anything w/o that generic shit. There is a reason all the trailers and publicity played up those generic action aspects of the movie, you know. Though I very much liked the action sequences (involving the spaceships bombarding the palace etc.) that actually worked *with* the tone and idea of the scene ('this is an extermination')
@@helvete_ingres4717 you sound bitter, how did Jason Mamoa hurt you?
The "what have you done to me?" - scene is grandios. I LOVE that he used the voice on his own mother.
When Jamis Started yelling during the duel he sounded pissed, surprised, sad and ashamed all at a once. Great acting and very telling for the story and emotionally impactful if you're paying attention.
Yes! Stilgar asking "Is he toying with him?" followed by Jamis screaming really lets you know that Jamis KNOWS he's lost, and feels like Paul is just shaming him by drawing it out. Just real pain and rage and despair all together.
You see Paul get his blade to the others neck repeatedly. That tells a huge story in a half second.
It is also part of the Bene Geserit fighting technique to wait until the opppnent has drawn themselves into anger and then they are likely to make a mistake.
In the book Paul is so used to fighting opponents with shields on that he slows down his strikes and it appears to the fremen that Paul is humiliating Jamis. It’s not the case he’s just doing it out of ha it. After Jamie is dead Paul cries and the fremen are deeply moved when they see him cry they cite prophecy of the mahdi “he gives water to the dead”
@@unclegene5372 I don't think they got to that yet. That takes place in the sitche, when they all speak of Jamis and what he taught them.
I loved that we got a nice close up of the original Muad’dib, the mouse, including seeing how it gets water to drink. It is clear why this animal is so respected by the Fremen, with 0 expositional dialogue to establish this.
Also nice to see ornithopters with actual flapping wings.
Ooh, the ornithopters were incredible. Their sound design was perfect. Apparently they had 45 minutes of thopter time in the movie, which I am more than pleased about.
YES! I hope people who haven't read the books remember that moment when he takes the name...
And it's so symbolic, when it's right after he emerges from the tent under sand, where he had his intense vision of jihad... "They will kill in my name" he says, but instead of speaking they name... Villeneuve shows the desert mouse. Wow. He really gets the "show don't tell" principle.
@@Vathorus good catch- I didn’t put that together consciously
Yes the thopters were amazing. Loved the design.
Forgot to mention how Golda Rosheuvel knocked Mapes out of the park, in spite of it being a much smaller role. Her reaction to Jessica receiving and recognizing the chrysknife was a huge moment, and one that sent shivers down my spine.
I still think the blade should have been sheathed like they do later. Mapes would have used her own blood to plant the initial seed and would connect it to later
@11venom yeah its my gripe but that shriek is just *chefs kiss*
Jamis is technically Paul’s guidance into Fremen culture. He’s death will display ritual combat water collection of the dead and those rites so yeah he’s guiding in that sense.
I was a friend of Jamis. He taught me that when you kill, you pay for it.
I was disappointed that they fought in their stillsuits
That’s exactly how I saw it Jose.
Yeah, it illustrates Paul's answer to the Reverend Mother when she asks “Do you often dream things that happen, just as you dreamed them?” - "..Not exactly"
@@deeem9500 I was a friend of Jamis...that two-faced bastard. "Come with me; so I can take your water." Do NOT ride on his sandworm, creepy bastard living in his mother's sietch. (I jest, but my g-d, what Denis did for this character, and his portrayal by Babs Olusanmokun. AMAZING.) P.S. *That* is how you take liberties with the source material, kids.
The Priest throat-singing on Salusa Secundus was a perfect touch. Loved the Sardaukar language also.
The Sardaukar were really good! They should have had longer hair though 😆
My Girlfriend was not too impressed by this scene due to cultural reasons, But overall she enjoyed the movie very much, she noted how multicultural it was without it been forced and preached under the guise of social justice.
Thanks for mentioning. I loved those aspects too!
@@markv785 I think because it seemed kinda ripped off from stuff like Tuvan throat singing
@@bwrp7977 and she was offended by that why?
The way that Josh Brolin delivers the line of "They aren't human they are BRUTAL" makes me shiver
I hear ya! He fucking meant it.
probably my favourite single line in the entire film
Same. Small parts but awesome performances from the actors. I really felt they nailed it.
@@ImTheMousse my desert, my dune
Oh yeah everyone was into this, its like they actually felt the material rather than just signed on for a contract, all sides of the conflict seemed totally into it an play as if they were that person.
When I read Dune for the first time I had a mental picture in my mind that matches Villeneuve 's choices. The set design reminded me of the industrial architecture in the soviet union, minimalist but massive, brutal, no paint, just concrete, metal and wood. The costume design was top tier. The music was otherworldly. Timothée Chalamet, Oscar Isaac, Rebecca Ferguson, Josh Brolin, Jason Momoa and Javier Bardem were extraordinary in their roles. Chalamet will forever be my Paul. Loved your review.
Timothee was really boring compared to other Pauls. You obviously find him attractive.
the style is brutalism, and honestly i think it’s gorgeous
@@upfulsoul826 😂 wtf
I work at a movie theater. Having read the books, I recognized that the ending of the movie was nowhere near the end of the book. I knew the filmmakers had done a good job when I heard theater-goers walk out of this half-finished story and say that it was the best science fiction movie they've ever seen.
I would love to work at a movie theatre lol
That's reassuring to hear. I watched it, loved it, but had this growing worry that I was only loving it because of my prior knowledge of the material and that some pretty important stuff might be lost on the general audience
@@joshhall5172 i saw it with a friend who was semi familiar and a friend that had no prior knowledge. i myself am very familiar. we all loved it. we did have to do some explaining to my friend who had no prior knowledge, but it’s a near 3 hour movie. that’s expected.
i think gen audiences will be fine after two watches.
@@joshhall5172 as a person that enjoys indepth scifi and never read a book just stuff on youtube. It was good. Beginning drags, but after seeing it once I wouldnt mind sitting through it again not feeling like im in a rush. My family was meh on it. My cousin was the one who liked it the most along side me, but both of us dont know when pt2 is coming thats kind of rough, but in time a whole set of Villeneuve Dune movies will be epic.
@@overtoke I like to forget that the 1984 movie exists. I prefer the ScyFy Channel's mini-series over the Lynch film.
I liked Duncan's line, "Dreams make good stories, but everything important happens when we are awake. That's when we make things happen." (I think that's the line) It's another hint that Paul's dreams and visions are not set in stone.
The sleeper has awakened.
“The sleeper must awaken!” Duke Leto
We are bound to fate but have a hand in shaping that fate. The thing is, everyone else has a hand in it too, in varying degrees. So outcomes can be hard to predict.
Luckily Villeneuve has confirmed that in Part 2 he’s going to go in depth with the Mentats, as well as other elements he didn’t completely go into with part 1
I'm glad they're going to elaborate on some elements in the 2nd movie but it's also faithful to the book to leave things vague. I remember not grasping all the elements until the 5th book. Finally that was when things introduced in the first book truly made sense.
Are they doing a part 2? I thought it was still to be decided if part 2 was even going to be made.
A pity that half of the mentats available are already dead then. And the other half captive and tortured.
LOL, if he takes more than one more movie to finish this story it is going to be a complete POS. He is already pushing the edges of the SJW bullshit and you know it is only going to get worse IF they let him make another one.
@@joelmann6934 I don't think it has been decided yet. We'll have to see how the movie performs in the US. Villeneuve said that Warner loves the movie, so IMO even if it's not a huge success, there's a good chance it will be greenlit. The good news is that it's doing quite well in Europe where it came out a month earlier (it's actually the biggest success *of the year* in France). I think we can be cautiously optimistic (and Denis seems to be optimistic at this point).
Visions of Jamis were the most artistic thing about this adaptation and I will die on this hill.
Totally unexpected, totally in line with how Paul's untrained vision manifests itself at this stage and, most wonderfully, *the vision was incorrect and correct at the same time* .
I was a friend of Jamis.
i absolutely agree/love whar you said and enjoyed the decision to make Jamis his first kill,
I didn’t even know what Dune was before this movie got announced and here I am fully immersed in its lore. It’s world-building is so separate from that of other space operas. I’m fascinated and already can’t wait for part two!
Fr, I only read the first graphic novel type book that my brother had lent me. This and the halo universe are great
George Lucas stole from it big time in various ways
@@thursoberwick1948 I’m seeing that now!
@@officialgrindr George Lucas isn't the only writer who copied Dune. The creators of the Warhammer 40k science fiction universe said in an interview that they also were influenced by Dune.
Watch the Lynch version. It's better and more entertaining.
I think Paul's visions of Jamis came true in a way. He did teach Paul "the ways of the desert" by making Paul kill him, not out of hate or malice, but because it was a code of honor and Jamis was insulted and enraged that Paul was "toying with him". The tenderness Paul shows the dying Jamis is the same Jamis showed Paul in his vision and I think Paul did that because he did see it in his mind and knew what to do.
Isn't it cool how the director turned this particular thing into such a deep parable. It made the scene where Paul didn't want to kill him so powerful.
That hurts to kill someone who could have been a dear friend.
In the book at Jamis’s funeral you see that he could be a hot head, but he was a stand up dude.
I did miss the interaction between Paul and his mother in that moment. When Paul kills Jamis in the book, his initial reaction is one-off exhilaration and triumph. Jessica immediately makes him feel guilty about it, to stave off any murderous appetites.
@@steampowered6883 And that kept Stilgar from seeing Paul as a sociopath who couldn’t be trusted to not turn on the tribe.
a lesser film maker would have cut back to paul remembering that dream to remind the audience and sign-post the inversion.
Quinn's deep understanding of the material, his passion for the books, and his ease at discussing it, makes this channel - and Danika's channel - the "go to" place for Dune ideas. There is no better on the internet.
Yes! i am listening to Quinn this very moment. As a Theatre person, I appreciate his voice and diction. Thank you Quinn!
My first introduction to Dune was Comic Book girl
Can't wait for Danika's review. She'll be more real and not act like this movie is perfect.
@@joshuagray4266 During my first viewing of this movie I thought, "Man, Danika is going to shit a brick over how cool the Bene Gesserit are treated!" So I predict an even more of a fangirl reaction from her.
@@joshuagray4266 Compared to all the previous adaptations this one might as well be perfect.
After a long movie dry spell, "DUNE" has reignited my love of film like no other. Master-class film making!
It had the opposite effect for me.
@@Attmay sad
"A WAR IN MY NAME!" that line was fire.
He really sounded like a prophet. The entire scene was chilling
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That line was like an unquenchable fire spreading through the universe
The emotional impact of that scene was much harder in the film than in the books. Amazing acting
@@lifefindsaway7875 yes it does. But the tent scene in the book is insane for how it breaks down almost to a science what is happening to Paul. It’s references to him computing and interpreting information like a mentat while also having the ability of prescience. You get the full understanding of his relation to the spice. Now of course this had to be reinterpreted for the film. And the film translated it perfectly by having the emotional thread of that moment be the vision of the ensuing jihad.
The whole thing felt like the most expensive and extravagant passion project ever made. What an experience. Seen it three times and boy would I love to be back in there again asap. I rarely re-watch movies on the cinemas, in fact the last multiple viewings I did was back in 2002 with Two Towers. I don't care what anyone says, there will be no new sci-fi film that can top this until part 2 is made.
i value what u just said because the two towers was the best movie of its era fosho
Took everything I was going to say and beat me to it, well done!
Hopefully part 2 will happen
@Jupiter rules If you hate amazing stuff I could see how you would think it was bad.
Two towers are my fav too ❤️❤️ can re-watch back to back forever
I actually prefer that the emperor wasn't shown at all. The previous movies portrayed him as some sort of scheming bond villain, while he's supposed to be this powerful looming force
well he is definitly showing up in part 2.
the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries had that scene where Paul talks with Irulan at the banquet on Arrakis. I don’t recall if that was actually in the book or not, but I think not… regardless, I thought that was a great scene. it gave the Emperor and the galactic politics and such some representation, but also gave Paul some humanity.
@@Sam_T2000 Paul didn't talk to Irulan in the books at that point.
@@Sam_T2000 I quite liked the Sci-Fi miniseries of Dune, though the director's cut has inexplicable nudity which adds nothing, and the Children of Dune.
If this new version is as good as those I'll be more than happy.
The conceit I will make to Lynch's film, my wife and daughter, who went in cold, knowing nothing about the franchise, and were confused on the difference between the Baron and the Emperor. Its amazing what you take for granted when you've lived and breathed a series for 30 odd years.
Not only did the director hit it out of the park, he also dreamt of making this movie since he read the book at 14. I remember seeing his movie Incendies before he had Hollywood money to play with and I couldn't be happier for him. That same intensity from Incendies (which is full-on Drama) came across in the sci-fi-context of Dune, which was amazing to me. Dude is immensely talented, especially at creating a taught, intense tone. His filmmaking grabs you by the balls.
cannot agree more. I love Denis Villeneuve. His nuanced storytelling, never willing to define absolutes of good and evil, his care for letting the viewer feel and actually observe the scenarios, the surroundings. He asks from the viewer to compromise, to be alert, to pay attention and activate all senses, and it pays off beautifully every time. He even makes a movie like Sicario work, he even makes the mafia world not have good and evil clearly delineated. And we all know we need directors like Villeneuve, in a generation that seems to have lost the capacity for observing the world in a nuanced colorful way instead of a black and white picture
Before Incendies there was Polytechnique, about the Montreal Massacre. Intense.
@@user-ve5ln5le9y Haven't seen that one yet but it's high up on the list. I've been watching the movies of his I haven't seen whenever I get the chance.
I loved that Paul had a vision in the film where Jamis tells him to "follow him" into the desert and then Jamis' body is at the head of the procession of Fremen heading towards the sietch. Both physically and metaphorically, Jamis helps lead Paul into his place among the Fremen, even though he died in this specific timeline.
Also "follow your Friend" is a nice foreshadowing to "I was friend of Jamis"
I was really disappointed they didn't have Paul crying after the duel. It made such an impression on the Fremen and was such a impactful thing to them. But that was a minor nitpick, I suppose.
@@Rietto I think we'll have that with the funeral in the second movie
It was completely metaphorical, there was no timeline where he was literal friends with Jamis.
@@Rietto he did have tears, however it wasn't commented on by the rest of the group
14:52 My dude was so impressed with the performance he portmantua'd the actor and character's name together as "Jason Idaho"
Yeah that was great!
Lol, came to the comments to upvote this
28:07 A brave decision to cast Daft Punk as the Guild representatives
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Thanks. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while 🤣
That spice hits harder, better, faster, stronger, but they take it all night to get lucky
Dave Batiste looked like a goth too
Now if only they could reunion back together and work with Hans Zimmer again for the sequel'(s?) soundtrack, that would be amazing. Tron Legacy is my favorite OST ever, and Dune 2021 might be a close 2nd.
Just watched it with a dear old friend yesterday afternoon at an IMAX screening. I saw the 1984 Dune at the cinema back when I was 14 when it first released, and loved it’s style. I’ve only read the first book, once, and that was back in my early twenties, and absolutely loved it, such an excellent story, so my memory of it’s finer details is sketchy. My experience of seeing this new Dune? An absolute masterpiece and absolute 10 out of 10. Incredible! I was 1000% immersed, as was my friend, and can’t remember the last time I felt like I’d ‘lived’ a movie experience like that. It took me back to the similar thrill and awe from first seeing Star Wars in 1977 as a 7 year old, or The Matrix when I was 29. Thank you to Denis Villeneuve and every single individual involved in creating this telling of Frank Herbert’s epic, you gave me magic 🪄😎🙏🤗
Honestly I felt like Timothee Chalamet was the perfect cast for Paul. He clearly understands what makes Paul Paul and uses that to really become Paul in the movie.
Plus he fits the physical description to a T
@@Baronstone yah he does
@@solarydays I kind of felt similar. For me, he seemed like he was too young. Like he should be closer to 20 but looked 14 physically.
@@michaelbrand2050 Paul is 15 in the book
@@matt55800 I think because the other dune movie and the mini-series had older looking actors it probably colored my view on the character.
That sardaukar chant was by far the most insane sequence of the movie! Can't wait for Part 2.
P. S: I'm so happy for u Quinn. WB really did a number on ya but couldn't beat your love for the series. Hope u get a cameo in Part 2 as a herald. U are the herald of dune on the internet! ❤🔥
The most insane part is when you realise the assassin spent six weeks in the Palace sewage system, before climbing out to try to kill Paul with the hunter seeker.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 he never climbed out, they killed him while he was still cemented in there, he passed the hunter seeker through the pipes using his visor. That part was so unsettling to me.
I actually yelped in surpise when Salsusa Secundus came up on the screen. Wasn't expecting that in this movie!
indeed. saw it in germany and still remember the sardukar priest? chant.
@@bigbaba1111 Ich auch. Das war so eine coole Stelle.
The best addition was when in front of the spice crawler Paul says, “I hear your footsteps Old Man”. At first I thought it was just him referencing what he said to Gurney in the training room, but it could also be him talking to the Maker, which is also called the Old Man of the desert.
Incredible stuff
Wow this just blew my mind! That small scene was one of my favorites just due to the cinematography of it. But knowing what you just said, it was such a clever choice by Denis. My love for this movie keeps growing more and more.
Wow, amazing spot there!
Great catch!
in the sand crawler scene paul says " I RECOGNIZE your footsteps old man " and not "i hear your footsteps" which is the same thing he says in the training room and before he says that you can hear a beat of Gurney "old man" approaching if you match that beat with the walk sound before the training room it's the same so i think Paul meant that to Gurney and not the maker because paul calls Gurney old man in the training room when fighting too
@@Olconer I mean it COULD be either or but to be honest he's in a trance and had forgotten about the looming danger but gurney's footsteps doesn't seem as important or even believable compared to perhaps the maker's footsteps(his first time encountering the worm BTW). You could interpret it either way, one being so obvious, the other more clever and subtle.
I think Paul's visions of Jamis in the desert was accurate, but not literal.
Jamis says that he will be Paul's guide through the desert - and he is, in a way. It's through Jamis' death that Paul is allowed to join the Fremen and follow his path.
Like how his visions of his own literal death seem to represent in actuality his symbolic death as Paul and rebirth as the Kwisatz Haderach.
Yes, exactly.
I think the visions transmit meaning instead of being from different timelines.
@@culturecanvas777 Oh my god, I found the other two people who actually got it!
The vision of his death may have been his last chance to avoid the golden path, still I think it was symbolic.
Well this was symbolic in the context of the films, but in the lore, Paul doesn't have "symbolic" visions as far as I recall. Within the literal story, it was definitely an alternate timeline that could have happened.
Exactly. The visions of him being killed and him being friends with the people killing him felt like a reference to how what’s to come will be a lesson to strengthen him while killing off his weaknesses, and those he sees in the visions are his dear teachers
I think it was a possibility that would have happened in future with both of them alive. He envisioned it with his prescience. It's not really the future, but a possibility of a future. He went through that vision like reading a book and acquired the skills and knowledge from Jamie, before going through another vision of a possibility where Jamil killed him. Using these knowledge he turned around those two future possibilities. Pretty mind-blowing. I don't know if that what exactly happened, but for me it's something that is so genius and they managed to tell it without a single word, only through scenes. It's amazing.
I loved how at the beginning when the reverend mothers visited Paul, Jessica was obedient and did not talk back.
Once Paul passed the test she showed immediate confidence and started talking back to her sisters.
I'm going to be looking for this on the rewatch, nice catch. So much depth to this flick.
I love how they played out the work the sisters had done planting the worship of Paul on Arrakis
I’ve always felt had Paul failed, Jessica would have done something really rash to the Reverend Mother
Uhm. He was defiant since the second Jessica left the door (despite her saying you _must_ do everything she tells you to) . His first sentence to the reverent mother is " You dismiss my mother in her own house !? " followed by "How dare you use the voice on me " ... so yeah obedient and talk back before that ? Not really :-)
@@NL0Gwenster Read my comment once again :)
The scene with the vision of a friendly Jamis was fascinating! It made his death so tragic.
Paul was a friend of Jamis. He taught Paul that when you kill, you pay for it
It was really clever how they showed Paul's visions to be kinda like actual dreams, in which they were a mashup of concepts and feelings and visions, and not just a straight-up look into the future.
It was deep, real, and so tragic. He told him, " I'll teach you the ways of the desert."
A waste of screen time that could have assisted in humanizing characters that will actually persist in future films or were more important to Paul's upbringing. Instead of a scene discussing mentats, Thufir, Gurney, or demonstrating the Baron beyond a cartoon-villain, we get multiple minutes of a character who croaks almost immediately when introduced in the book.
The really beautiful thing about Paul's visions of Jamis is that they're both a possible different future AND a metaphor for their current timeline. Jamis really was a guide to Paul, through his actions and their duel he did show Paul the ways of the desert.
Yeah, I took this vision, and how it turned out, to mean that the visions would happen, just possibly not in ways that Paul would expect them. As that was the start of his training, and it was also the death of Paul’s childhood, and his accepting that for him to continue on his path, that lives will be lost!
Precisely! As Paul said to the reverend mother, the things he sees become true not exactly the way he's seen them. The same goes with Chani giving him the crysknife.
It made you feel the sadness of the potential friendship that will never be.
"they can put themselves in a coma to survive stressful situations" god I wish I could do that
But you can! It's just a question of getting out.
@@fruitygarlic3601 lol
learn to control your breathing down to the minutes of your being. And then recite the litany against fear. then fall back and let the body overtake you.
I loved all the small details - Paul's bed, floating glow globes, training mannequins, the projector Paul used for studies. I wish they mentioned something about Suk conditioning. One little detail I wish was included - Paul cried after killing Jamis and all the other Fremen were impressed that he is 'giving water to the dead' which they consider extreme extravagance as any moisture, including tears can not be wasted.
I was waiting for that too, would have been a nice touch to include
I think he did cried while walking away from Jamis body...And funeral Will be probably at the beginning of part 2
Yeah!,, the crying over the dead was hugely important
that should have been in the ending, along with Paul choosing his freemen name
@@sorinandone2310 Yeah I would have loved to see Jamis placed in the deathstill but I also believe it belongs to the second film. First film: Paul Atreides, second one: Paul "Usul" Muad'dib.
Paul did comment "how about a song" when Gurney started the shield training. Nice nod to the baliset
Dang, I'd love to see Josh Brolin play the actual instrument. Denis Villeneuve did film that scene although I'm not sure there'll ever be a Director's Cut.
@@MrGlenbw there's not gonna be a directors cut idk where I read it but he said the movie that is in the cinemas is the directors cut which is actually v nice i feel
This was the only place I was disappointed
Mood is a thing for women and cattle. It was one of my favorite lines from the book, would have been cool to see Brolin say it...
It was sitting next to his bunk when they woke up him up if you look closely you can spot it in the lower right side
@@joshfloyd7755 That wouldn't be politically correct. Might've gotten away with "mood is a thing for children" or something, though.
Considering the complexity of the source material, this adaptation is probably as good a Dune movie as you can make. Otherwise plan on making a GoT style tv series with a budget of about $1 billion.
Imo I wished they did.
Well if they stretch this out to 3 movies (hopefully they do) they will end up paying over 1 billion with production and marketing.
@@optimusprime3484 Yes good point.
@@optimusprime3484 they’ll probably use Dune Messiah (book 2) to stretch it into 3 movies
Kind of agree, but the decision to break the movie into two parts felt like a total fail. It feels incomplete and wrong. Liked the 1984 version better. Only thing missing was this one's production value.
For me me the best line was when Leto asks Jessica "Will you protect Paul ? " And Jessica replys "with my life ." Then with certain eyes Leto says " Not as a mother but with bene gesserit " . Thats the key moments we understand that's things are going to be far more dangerous than we can imagine . It's shows the amount of sacrifice they can make for Paul . It's incredibly potrayed by Oscar and Rebecca.
And then Leto says to Jessica “I thought we’d have more time” and the viewer sees that Leto knows that his situation is hopeless. It’s grim, tragic, and masterfully well done.
@@rickfairfax9631 Exactly ,not only the visuals but the script was also very strong . Incredible choice of words to portray the emotions as minimally as possible .
Great scene. So many little moments in this movie were so well done.
The way they handled Jamis was one of my favorite things about the movie - it really made clear (at least to me) how Paul wasn't seeing the future, he was seeing possible futures. It was a very cleaver way around the internal dialog problem with adapting the book. I also loved the fighting style - it just really seemed to suit the idea of highly evolved genetics and training styles.
I took this vision, and how it turned out, to mean that Paul’s visions will happen, just possibly not in ways that Paul might expect them too. As in effect, his fight with Jamis was the start of his training, and it was also the death of Paul’s childhood, which he saw as happening when he finally found the girl in his visions. Additionally it was Paul accepting that for him to continue on his path, that lives will be lost!
Except that they fight at the Cave of Birds, inside and not in their stillsuits - anything else would be a waste and any Fremen knows it.
@@johnpatz8395 that's exactly how I interpetated it. The visions are not alternate futures, they are different views of a unique future.
@@johnpatz8395 I saw it as more like the book - visions are possible futures, and Paul’s actions can shape the future. So, if perhaps he hadn’t disarmed and knocked down Jamis, they would have been friends. Certainly, the book talks a lot about Paul’s visions being a “sea of possibilities,” or language to that effect, so I interpreted the movie to reflect the book.
I did not think Paul was seeing alternate futures but he was seeing two things: glimpses of the future (Chani) and he was also seeing the future in metaphors for what would happen. Paul's response to Gaius Helen Mohiam question: do things you dream happen as you dreamed them? Paul: "Not exactly." Plus, all of those types of dreams/visions were in fact metaphor's for what happened.
RE: Jamis. I think that Paul's possible futures with Jamis saying, "follow me" in the ways of the desert, Paul had to kill him to a) be accepted and b) to learn the hard lesson about life in the desert. I think Jamis is still Paul's teacher. Just not in the way he originally thinks.
Obiwan Kenobi.
It’s a dream so that’d make sense. They aren’t often literal.
@@calebray4168 Pauls dreams are not like our dreams though. Paul is noticing that his dreams sometimes come true even before the events of the book. So they are sleeping visions. Which is a different thing than a dream as we know it.
@@patreekotime4578 I understand but I meant that just like a regular dream they’re somewhat vague when it comes to the exact details of what’s gonna happen. I mean, I was honestly just comparing it to the universal human experience of dreams/ visions/ premonitions, and the fact that many of them are off in some details but correct in other key details.
Exactly my take as well. Which made it all the more powerful and beautiful
I need a DUNE extended version, with ALL the behind-the-scenes/making-of featurettes, like what we got for the LOTR trilogy.
Yeah, each movie is like 3 hours, and I don't mind!
Yes I want a fancy extended 4k UHD Blu-Ray set with a ton of behind the scenes features.
So much this. People will marathon the extended versions just like they do with LOTR. Herbert is on Tolkeins level IMO, merely being inspired by Dune partly resulted in Star Wars and GOT being collosal successes of their respective medium, despite what happened to them in the end.
That one scene with the palm trees and the care taker while isnt long at all, is one of my favourite scenes of all time since I saw it. I find it a very peaceful moment while the surroundings are hostile, paul saying 'hello' and just showing his curiosity gives a much more relatable side of the character
The changes to Jamis, making him Paul's desert guide, was inspired. I was raving to my BF (who's not a Dune fan but had to listen to me ramble, lol) about that change. It made his death meaningful, like I almost thought Jamis believed in Paul as Lisan al Ghaib at the end and realized that he had just enabled his adoption by the Fremen.
I think he accepted himself as part of the prophecy in the end, it was kind of cool.
Why does Jamis's death have to be meaningful? In the book, the conversation between Stilgar and Jessica make it clear the Jamis is a problem, a detriment to the Fremen and Stilgar only kept him around because he was good in a fight, but ultimately Jamis would hurt the Fremen more than help them.
@@jyndev4570 Because it's more interesting than "Jamis was an asshole who needed to go."
@@celan4288 If you want interesting, then preserve the entire scene as written which provides context for the fight, Jamis's motivations, the implications of the challenge and outcome.
The scene as written in the book really fleshes out a lot of Jamis, Stilgar, and Jessica for that matter.
The film totally rewrites Jamis and almost makes him a tragic heroic figure when in fact he was as you say an a-hole.
@@jyndev4570 I mean, you could always just read the book
You know, in fairness, Villeneuve did the show don't tell thing with the Mentats. More specifically, the scene where Leto asks Thufir how much it cost the Emperor to send the emissary to Caladan, his eyes roll back and he quickly calculates the amount. We get bits of that with DeVries as well. That said, I would have liked to see more. I really wish the stains on the lips was incorporated as a detail as well.
I agree. Hopefully they’ll delve into the mentats more in the next movie. Especially since in the book Paul was getting mentat training. I wish they’d included that. I missed the ‘juice of saphoo’ speech. This Piter didn’t have much of a role. Didn’t miss the crazy eye brows from the Lynch version though. Lol.
The black dot /lines are suppose to represent them drinking the surim
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This dude has a deep understanding of Dune. It is much more than just a sci-fi book. It's a warning from Herbert that humanity is fragile.
An interesting thing I noticed that points to the potential relationship with Jamis if things had been different, and the whole "He will know your ways as if born to them" thing in Paul's vision you see Jamis kneeling next to Paul as he dies in the vision and holding his hand, and when he wins the duel he kneels down and does the exact same thing. It's really understated but it's one of the first times Paul seems to take information from his visions and seamlessly acts on it.
This is one of my favorite moments in movie.
Whoa I did not notice that. Ties in with "when you take a life you take your own"
I agree with Quinn’s interpretation of Janis’s roll in the visions and with what others are saying. It was a literal possible future and symbolically true. I think that you could read it either way.
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I was thinking , does Paul learn from the alternative timeline anyway? Is that ( another) reason why he is reluctant to kill him? To Paul it’s not just an unknown challenger it’s a mentor and he is only able to defeat him because of this eldritch knowledge? I love this movie, I hope they continue on with the timeline and open up the prequel stories which although less cerebral are very compelling.
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I interpreted the vision as being an indirect truth - Jamis did teach Paul about "the ways of the Desert" (that it is harsh and brutal and that it is a matter of "kill or be killed" with no room for mercy), and as such, was symbolically sort of a "friend" and "guide" to Paul.
But Quinn's interpretation of an alternate future where Jamis and Paul would have been literally friends, I can certainly get behind as well.
@@Typanoid That is what I was thinking on first viewing “ This is his vision came true in rapid fashion , just the dialogue has morphed a bit “ But as the scene continued it seemed there was more in the visions than could be explained by the exchange they actually had. I postulate Paul would have been sent to the death stills in under a minute against Jamis if he couldn’t USE the knowledge of his experience in the alternate timeline to best Jamis in this one, thus making all his visions true, not just in the current timeline, a taste of the power to come?
Paul did see Chani kiss him, then stab him, etc., great way to portray seeing jumbles of possible futures that he gets to choose between.
This channel is solely responsible for me getting into Dune and I've been so excited to finally see you watch it ❤
How the Bene Gesserit were depicted has me really excited for the Dune: The Sisterhood HBO show in development. Especially since DV is the exec producer & director of the pilot.
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@@SpyderT22 Not much is known about the plot & the production was pushed back just like the movie. Villeneuve is an exec producer & directing the first episode; one of the film's screenwriters, Jon Spaihts, is writing the series; & the show runner is Diane Adamu-John (Haunting of Bly House). So there's a lot of pedigree behind it. I don't know if it'll be the same as the book, "Sisterhood of Dune," but it will be about the Bene Gesserit.
I'd be wary on getting excited for anything done by Kevin J. Anderson. If Frank Herbert's works are 'The Spice,' Anderson is the brutalist Harkonnen who reaps it for every single penny he can get.
Kynes’ death is perfect in the book but what they chose to do in the movie was such a good alternative for a cinematic experience. Loved her portrayal as well
The first time I read the book that was my favorite chapter. I re-read it three times before moving on. I agree with you, the way they handled it in the movie definitely fit the medium better than the introspective side we get in the book.
One thing that people who haven't read past Dune in the series usually do not understand: Paul is NOT a "hero." Even Paul realizes this in the next two books.
It will come as a pleasant surprise to people who hadnt read the book as me
Almost a character in it's own right was the liquifying sand. It gave me chills the first time, as Paul starts to sink in. It also goes a long way to explain how the sand worn can move through it. Having a theater sound system really helped.
It's a frequent problem in earthquake zones. Houses can sink into sand/mud when a quake hits.
In geography that's known as liquefaction, and it happens mostly during earthquakes. It swallows apartment buildings sometimes.
the scene with Jamis really implies the idea that Paul knows exactly what kind of friends they could have been. it’s so good! glad i wasn’t the only one to think it was more impactful.
It is not in the books at all. Which means he made it up for no reason. It did not add to the story at all. It just wasted time that would have been better used actually getting to the heart of the story!
I thought that his visions of Jamis telling him “I will be your friend” and “I will show you the way of the desert” were foreshadowing their fight. By being forced to kill another man, Paul is taught the brutal reality of life in the desert. The “I will be your friend” line comes from the book where during Jamis’ funeral Paul gives water to the dead and states, “I was a friend of Jamis.”
@@Baronstone "I was a friend of Jamis" You really have to be dense to not understand what happened.
@@HammyHamilton451 That and the "elder bene gesserit" tells Paul to listen to a friend which is Jamis advising him to let go in the sandstorm.
@@Baronstone You can’t say that in such an absolute. As Quinn mentioned, Paul seemed to have seen another reality where they were friends, maybe a stand in for Duncan who he just lost. I think it’s a good touching use of Paul seeing alternate realities making him battle insanity later. I agree they left too much out.
The Gom Jabar scene is my favourite. Mohiams subtle loss of composure as Paul masters his pain was excellent.
There's a Sesame Street mashup of this scene that's hilarious.
The way you can see the pain building up in Timothee's acting was done perfectly
I thought the visions of Jamis as a future mentor was a cool touch, it was a really neat way to have Paul learn the ways of the desert, and how he just "seems" to know. He was actually being taught by an alternate future Jamis who was his friend. It also makes Jamis' death more impactful and when the funeral happens Paul calling him his friend will hit harder too I think. I thought it was one of the minor tweaks that worked out really well
Got a party together to see the film. Nobody had any interest. One person didn't believe it would be a good adaptation, another never heard of Dune. Another wanted to read the book first, but had it as low priority. The last person believed Dune had no fans and that it was an obscure property.
All of them loved it.
Thank you for helping them to open their eyes!
Glad to hear this. I was wondering if non-Dune fans would like the movie.
It is quite deep, I picked up on things in my second watch, and Quinn's review has me wanting to go again to see a couple of things he pointed out!
Agreed, and amen. My opinion, this movie sucked and is boring as hell.
Did you have to explain them about mentats, why spice is important, why there are no robots or AIs?
Because this movie makes no effort to explain the universe.
@@rogeriopenna9014 Nope, they loved it, and loved how little is explained. It was like they saw something brand new
I liked the scene where the Sardukar stab Liet Kynes, and you see water burst out of her chest because they hit a pocket of water in the still suit. Small detail that I appreciated.
Dune has given me a reason to pay for a movie theater ticket again.
It made me realize how much faith I had lost in Hollywood as competent artists.
Dune is more than just a really good movie. For me it represents hope for the future of the silver screen.
I think you missed one huge subject to talk about in relation to this movie:
The absolutely ridiculously amazing soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and the sound design , which perfectly bridges soundtrack and visuals in a way I have rarely seen.
I think it might have been Hans Zimmer's best work, and it captures the deep drama, the heavy emotions, the grad scale and the alien nature of this futuristic feudal society so incredibly well.
I was completely blown away by soudtrack and sound design.
BAHAHAHHAHA You are LITERALLY the ONLY person praising Zimmer's score. EVERY other person in the world is saying how meh it was.
@@tulinfirenze1990 Nah bro, shit was fire. Dude had throat singing and bagpipes in the same goddamn score
One of the best scores in any movie, every time music played it HIT. Cant wait to see what he can do with Part 2.
@@tulinfirenze1990 Huh? Reviews and audience are largely praising it.
Luvd Zimmers score. Do not ùnderstand the critisizm.
I loved that they portray Leto's dad dressed as a Toreador and the bull figurine (grandpa Atreides got killed while bullfighting). There were a lot of small details that I loved.
..and if you know the story of book two/three and Paul's son Leto, then the bull reference has even deeper meaning... ;)
@@MrJJSimonds it also hints to people new to Dune that this universe is our universe, the descendants of our Earth without being too heavy handed.
Using the bull as recurring visual theme was a great aesthetic choice.
There is one scene that literally gave me chills. When paul begins hallucinating rescuing the spice harvester and mouths the words "I hear your footsteps, old man," just as the worm approaches to swallow it whole and Gurney comes up from behind, the double meaning there was genius and hit me in my gut. That and Javier Bardem simply is Stilgar, he was Stilgar from the day he was born and will always be Stilgar.
*Recognize your footsteps
And lol i thought because he was tripping he was saying it to the approaching worm, but ofc it was Gurney and a call back to the training scene.
@@Tartersauce101 Would have to ask the director if there was a double meaning there in reference to the old man of the desert but til its said otherwise I will assume it was lol.
@@Tartersauce101 he is saying it cus of the worm as well, another translation of shai hulud or whatever is 'old man of the desert'
the reason this part is so important in the movie is that this is the first queue the movie gives you that Paul’s prophetic abilities have been awakened. this is Paul’s first time coming into contact with spice, and when he is kneeling in front of the harvester you absolutely have no clue Gurney is coming (no footsteps, no dialogue from gurney) - Paul still knows he is coming
Epic is the one word that best defines Part I of DUNE.
You spoke of the casting: IMO, the four best castings (no particular order):
1. Paul
2. Leto
3. Baron H
4. Reverend Mother
What was done with Jamis was genius.
Villeneuve decided to turn a minor character in the book into Paul's vision friend and guide, who Paul needs to sacrifice in order to grow, for good or ill, into his destiny.
That was clever. Cuz I was like is that jamis in his vision as his guide?! That's a twist
@@countpicula,
“Where is Tom Bombadil? *Where is he?* ”
-nozaku
@@countpicula Herbert's writing is not perfect, its very much early sci fi with less focus on story and more on political and moral ideas.
@@countpicula oh are you upset about the change? guess what. too bad. Guess when you make your movie or write your book that people will actually pay attention to you can make it how you want. If you expand the characters part doesn't take away from the source material or the representation of it. To diminish the characters part you could argue might but not expanding it. If you're that much of a fanboy that you need to treat the writing is dogma and divinely-inspired that's fine but again too bad
Paul: My path leads to the desert.
Morpheus: He's starting to believe.
Good. And so... old wine in a new bottle.
Funny how both franchises belong to WB.
These moments are what we hope to live for in films where they are set up and pay off.
Wasn't that dumbledore from LOTR?
@@cedriceric9730 that’s dark!🤣🙌🏻
I read Dune 20 years ago (Jesus) and I have been waiting for this ever since. I've watched both Lynch's Dune and the SyFy series to death. This is like when Lord of the Rings came out and people got to see a beloved and complex literary work come to life in front of their eyes. It's magical
Well put.. couldn't agree more! Still pinching myself of what I watched last night I was blown away... not had a film do that in a long time after the abomination of the star wars franchise... this made me fall back in love with sci-fi again
Not just fall in love with sci-fi movies again but fall in love with movies again!
I saw the 1984 version and felt it to be rushed and poorly executed. I cried in the cinema a couple of times when I saw Denis Villeneuve's take on the story and he completely nailed it. Btw I never read the book. I'm sorry...
One of the winning elements of this film (for me) was the casting. As someone who read the book, I could easily imagine all the principle actors in there given roles.
Moooon of my life!!! I’m so glad u recommended these books to me years ago! I was blown away by this movie, immersed like no other movie before it!!!! In Quinn I trust💪💪
I literally love Quinn so much for his Dune series, I never would have started it without him.
Can't wait to hear Gray's review. Sweet Summer Children!!
Hey you we know you girl
Read this in Roy Dotrice’s voice!!!
Then you are easily entertained as the movie was just good. It wasn't great, it wasn't a masterpiece, it was just good.
So much they cut out that should have stayed in. So much they cut for no reason at all as there were just a couple of words left off of like 7 lines. Why did they do that? It saved, a total of like 15 seconds. They cut out all of the narrations from the writings of Princess Irulan, which sucks because she explains a good deal in her writings. In short, this was 2 and half hour prologue and nothing more. Plus they didn't plan for there to be any other movies to finish the story, so it just sort of ends for no reason and it will take a minimum of 3-4 years before they can finish another movie to finish telling he story!
Some of the visions are symbolic. The vision of him dying to Jamis wasn't a vision of him physically dying. It is a vision that once he kills Jamis the old Paul dies and then Chani walks up, grabs his hand, and lifts Paul up reborn as a Fremen and soon to become the Kwisatz Haderach. In her hand is the bloody blade, that she is the final piece that ends the old Paul's life. It's very symbolic and Paul understands these visions. He knows that once he kills Jamis that there is no path in which he can now escape his fate of becoming the Kwisatz Haderach and the leader of the Fremen. Like in the later books will show: He began to lock in the path of his future. Knowing the future isn't a gift; it is a curse.
Bravo man, bravo! That is the exact thing I took from it.
The incomplete story from his vision earlier suggested that he was to die by her hand. The blood on her crysknife and hand were not Paul’s, but Jamis’. Great Texas Switch, there.
I loved how the Harkonnen harvesters are obviously ticks.
AND
When Paul says "I know your footsteps Old Man" at the harvester, how you don't really know if he's talking to Gurney or to the worm... oh my god chills
I've only read up to book 3... Am I missing something?
Yeah, the callback to the first scene with Gurney was amazing
@@uglynerfherder when he says “I know your footsteps old man,”
it can be him referencing gurney (first scene) or the worm that’s coming. Shai Hulud means “old man of the desert”
The fact that they had the worm recognizing Paul and speaking to him… it gave me chills. Paul’s relationship with the Makers and Dune is so important to who he becomes, and the symbolism of a Messiah. This adaptation was just stunningly beautiful.
Jason momoa was saying this film was like 4 to 5 hours to being cut down let’s hope for a extended edition disc!!
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I loved it, but felt there was something missing in the characterisation - I'm guessing an extended edition would fix that, give them more time to breathe.
Ah that’s great news !
That just means part 2 is already done and in the can!
Some assembly required.
Just FYI, this channel debunks that. JM said the story could have been that long, not that they filmed that much
A lot of that was scenery shots, and Villineuve will not budge regarding his negative opinion on extended movies.
A detail I'm surprised wasn't included was Paul shedding a tear over Jamis. It's these little details that builds him up in the eyes of the fremen
Agreed- I thought that was coming as they dwelled on Paul for awhile after Jamis
‘He gives water to the dead’
it made him compassionate in the eyes of the Fremen and fed into the Lisan al Gaib- that needs to happen- the Fremen, while superstitious, are cautious and very guarded about outsiders- so they need to show how Paul brings them around-or it will feel too forced- even with the missionaria protectiva
Yes one of few legitimate complaints i had.
So much important nuance they kept, seemed odd to not have kept that.
I thought a bit about it, and my best guess is that the complex interplay, the clash of cultures that results in what is actually a misunderstanding (Paul is crying because he hasn't killed, and because culturally he is soft compared to a Fremen his age, whereas the Fremen interpret it as a grand gesture of respect towards his fallen opponent) just couldn't be clearly conveyed through this medium.
I thought that was conveyed by the fact that he wanted to spare his life and by the way he held him as he died.
@@Tartersauce101 I agree that the Fremen misconstrued Paul’s tears
But I was 11 when I saw the same scene in Lynch’s Dune- and even then I understood that bit of nuance- that it was the Fremen misunderstanding the act
I got the impression that Fremen had never even seen tears before so they could assign any context and meaning to tears that they wanted as there was no precedent
But it’s also important in that it shows you the power of the missionaria proctectiva- the Fremen are willing to believe that anything Paul does is some sort of sign
Which shows you how influential he sisterhood can be
So there is a lot going on in that one little scene
Not to say that people couldn’t misunderstand it- but this is a place where I think the director has to trust the audience
This film doesn't want the Fremen to see Paul as the Mahdi yet. (They will do that in Part 2.) The last word on the matter went to Chani, who said she didn't believe he was the Mahdi.
I really liked the fact that the film referenced Leto's father and his death by bullfighting, it was such a nice bit of foreshadowing of Leto's own fate...
In the book Leto comes off a little foolish and not as loving to Paul but in the movie they set up he knew what he was doing and loved Paul
It seemed like a nod to Brian Herbert's House Atradies book that devotes a great deal of narrative to Leto the first and his deadly hobby.
I consider myself a hardcore Dune fan. Just watched the film yestareday in theaters, can't stop thinking about it!
It completely shattered expetcations IMO, great review I enjoyed it very much :)
really? I could barely stomach it.
I'm a big Dune fan now I went into the movie not knowing anything about it but I am a 40K fan and that being said It felt very familiar I was like this could easily be changed to a 40K movie this proves a 40K movie as possible
As I described it to my wife, Duncan is like Pauls much older brother, he can confide in him. Gurney is his wise uncle that's never had children himself but see's his brother's children as his own.
See that's what this movie was missing. I wish we SAW it instead of having people to tell us. You could tell Paul loved Duncan, but like why? Where were those small moments we truly saw their relationship as what you beautifuly described?
@@queenb2450 They did try to show it, but focused abit too much on greater story forgetting Dune is also about relationships of the characters.
@@ZurielWraithblades It sounds like it would be perfect if they added another hour or even 45 minutes to the movie.
@@ZurielWraithblades Greater story my ass... Show don't tell my friend... If the movie failed to show that you have to tell your wife then the movie in it of itself was pointless... I know nothing of this world... 1st act was literally a fuck up. Like the bad guys got this oil planet, yada yada they treat locals as slaves... Then the supposed emperor of this universe told them bad guys house lannister to take a hike... I'm letting house stark manage the oil. And so they did, house stark manages the oil, then it was a conspiracy the the emperor sided with the bad guys so they can kill house stark because house stark was supposed to be next in line or some bullshit... I can't, I just can't there's so much missing on this film... I see the point... but the way they're telling it sucks... I just don't give a shit on anyone honestly... Who the fuck cares?
@@bookerdewitt3854 Or perhaps the movie was deeper than you cared to notice. And my wife pointed out first she though Duncan was another father figure, I disagreed and pointed out differences in the relationship Paul has with his father, Ducan and Gurney.
I interpreted Paul’s vision of Jamis as Jamis teaching Paul the ways of the desert by having Paul kill his first man.
Hey buddy! I was a friend of Jamis…
he taught me if somebody mentions some thing you must meme the hell out of it. 😉
I had that exact thought too.
But I deeply missed Jessicas accusing "Murderer" to Paul after the killing. I think Lynch filmed that specific scene better.
At first I though that was Liet Kynes father, the lines felt like the vision he had before his death on top of the pre spice mass
i hope that actor is in part 2 and paul continues to be "Friends" with him true dreams and stuff... i was a little bumbed out the way it happened... :/
also his chani dream where she stabs him...im not a reader soo its weird its like some of his dreams visions are the opposite of what happens in irl
I think if he didn't go after jamis during his escape and picked a different path jamis may not have challenged them. Chani does say he went up the most difficult route.
I miss just 2 things: The line "In this time, the most precious substance in the Universe is the spice melange. The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel. The Spacing Guild and its navigators, who the spice has mutated over four-thousand years, use the orange spice gas, which gives them the ability to fold space." ...And to actually see the navigator and the folding in some cool way. Other than that, it's 10/10!
My favorite part is when the Atreides landed on Arrakis and the booming bagpipe music played as the Atreides departed their ships setting foot for the first time on Arrakis. And Gurney inspiring the soldiers by yelling "ATREIDES!" and the soldiers yell it in return is amazing. Shows how loyal they are to the great noble house of Caladan, House Atreides.
My favorite part is when Paul is kneeling by the harvester and he says "I know your footsteps old man" gave me shivers.
I have been reading and re-reading the series for over 45 years - this movie surpasses by best hopes for a movie version of the story. OUTSTANDING.
The weird spider is Dr. Yueh's wife.
Yeah, the actual story would be too hard to film but this is superb!
Jamis was a "friend" indeed by showing Paul the ways of the desert by turning the boy into a man fulfilling his full potential and destiny. I think that's what Paul's vision meant
It also lines with his fear of becoming what the other visions promised : the fear of a war in his name, the fact he sees himself as a "freak" - instead of being friend with a man he has to kill him. A lost possible future showing how dark his path forward is.
I think this is exactly what they tried to convey. Paul saw the future, but the future dont convey to him as clear as you are lead to believe. Jamis told him, like a friend, that he would teach him the way of the dessert, but the actual future is that he will teach him, as an enemy. Its a great story telling device where the visions arent always literal. I think they conveyed that well.
I think you are making the wrong interpretation here as in both these books and in movie (1984/2021) it is more complex with Bene Gesserit that based their beliefe in training their members into adopt costums and traditions from each group they came in contact with. Among Fremen when one took another persons life it meant also that one had drink their "water" as is depicted in both movies and books even from the dead where they put the dead body into special draining facilities to conserv every drop of water and moist for re-circulation in the Fremen society. This point to "The circle of Life" (Water which Arrakis now lacked as a planet - the social life where bound to all limitation of "Life" where Stilsuits show this way of thinking (*) and also how technology are intervened with social and cultural life) which is the main theme here as Life as such are intervened with Prescience or the future as well as past. Alia (Pauls unborn sister) show this when she can not be sure which path to take or which and whose "memories" she see as Visions and the same later with when Leto try to make sense of his Visions.
Paul isn't a "friend" (he have not even had time to get to know any of those Fremen at this stage) of Jamis and what we see is one Vision of Jamis that could as well be a manifestation of The Golden Path which traps Paul into a deterministic and fatalistic situation where, if he didn't kill Jamis he would show Fremen that he didn't respect their costums (and their way of living; cultural and social) and at same time he would also go against everything that Bene Gesserit represent as one of the main Guilds in this Universe (meaing a potential threat that BG would also loose their standing in other societies and Guilds which would make them become an enemy of the Atreides House - a potential war on several frontier at the same time which would lead the Known Universe into Chaos).
(*) Remeber how impressed the Leit Keynes (The Emprial official on Arrakis for Judge of the Change) which remarked that Paul had managed to fit his Stilsuit exactly as a Fremen would done it. In other word he already showed adoption to Fremens costums at this stage.
Hey, Quinn! I was just doing research on the name ‘Liet’ and I found this interesting tidbit:
“Liet is a name of Anglo-Saxon origin and came from the baptismal name Lettice, **a popular girls name in medieval times**. This personal name was originally derived from the Latin laetitia, which means gladness and joy.”
So casting Kynes as a women is *not* as off-base a some might think (Yes, they exist). For me: the gender of Kynes is a non-issue; Kynes is a planetary ecologist, and can be played by a Max, or a Sharon, but now that I’ve learned the original gender of the name Liet, I’m leaning in favour of Villeneuve’s casting.