Can I Please Have Just One Normal Debate
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#debate #immigration #politics
0:00 The Immigration Debate
51:43 The Best Part Of The Video
Sis, sexually harassing him isn't making your argument stronger
I mean if he felt harassed he'd probably have said it directly.
Edit: Oh, he did. Well, I stand corrected.
@@fluffynator6222doesn’t matter, if the genders were reversed you wouldn’t say that
@@jackiealexander92530
Tbf that's mostly a product of power imbalances. Vaush rlly didn't seem like he cared much.
@@fluffynator6222Vaush has kind of unusually thick skin though. Good for him, but doesn't really make his reactions a good gauge for how bad someone else's treatment of him is.
@@star3catcherSEQUEL
I mean I can only rlly argue from what I see and what I'd personally feel (which is to say I think I wouldn't mind) but I see the point.
"I am not racist"
Strong opening statement from STEM girl
Like Nixons "I'm not a crook"
She may not have been racist(?), but she was still awful in many other respects
She probably faking being a STEM
@@alberveno that's pretty racist and immigration is not why housing prices are high, it's because land owners keep buying more apartments and land and renting it out
@@souplife1 That's logical, if they stopped renting them out prices would be lower.
She is either manic, coked out, drunk, incredibly insecure, or all of the above. I feel icky after watching this debate.
She never stopped interrupting him. It’s like she just loved the sound of her own voice
She got her Adderall refill
I was literally just thinking she sounds like she’s having a manic episode or psychotic break
Update: she admitted she was drunk on her twitter when talking to SDL
lol no i didnt, i drink like twice a year and had gone drinking with a friend the night before. I had 4 drinks, which is a lot for me, as I rarely drink. Y'all are high.@@AT-AT26
The saddest thing about this debate is she thinks she nailed it.
Physics grad doesn't believe in silly things like evidence or theory, just "trust me I'm very smart". So pathetic...
@@mikek9297 funny thing is she never confirmed she graduated or got a degree in physics. Only that she 'went to school' for physics. Technically I did the same though my degree ended up being something else.
@@delos2279And she called Vaush even questioning it an ad hom, hmmm its really a mystery how much school she did🤔
Anyways Vaush lost this debate so hard
Yea this was super embarrassing for her rhetorically and factually. Especially when she said "you're interrupting me" after I was cringing that she wouldn't shut up and kept interrupting for 20 minutes straight with a vocal fry level that sounds like she took one too many Xanax. She legitimately sounds fucked up, like I used to do a lot of drugs and she sounds like my friends who used to just ramble over and over high on benzos. It's totally a type of obnoxious that screams 'I'm on drugs'. Oh and "raw data is the best" made me laugh out loud after saying "fuck studies" lol. I guess go try your luck at physics cuz this ain't it for you.
You vausch goons are deluded. I agree inessence with alot of vauschs thinking. But Vausch is a pretty bad debater. And he shows it again and again. The lady here got the upper hand and he didnt know how to respond.
I am currently in the process of immigrating to Canada. This person is lying. If you're brought in from out of country to work at a Canadian company, that company has to provide proof that they advertised first for the position within the country as part of their sponsorship to the visa applicant. I'm sure everyone is very surprised that she has looked into this for exactly zero minutes.
It's very strict here in Canada. I hope everything goes well for you, Canada is a great place to live!
You do understand that people break laws, right?
@@markzuckergecko621What the fuck you have a thousand comments on this channel,but do you even watch the videos?
Where are u immigrating from if I may ask?
Yeah looking into it, it's actually quite a bit harder to immigrate to Canada than the United States, funnily enough.
the best part for me was when she said she was smarter then vaush then complained he was talking down to her
That physics knowledge didn’t do shit for her social skills. She was frustrating to listen to
@ These bots are getting really desperate
lol yeah she was gaslighting the entire time
Just got there. Made me livid.😊
When the dominatrix accuses you of mansplaining 😅 I'm convinced given her line of work Vaush saw her have a stupid take and paid her for an hour of dommy mommy debate on stream, only to realize that Vaush is the true dom. She maintains this "I'm in complete control of this situation" way of talking, even when it's beyond clear that she's scrambling. Vaush is into some weird shit, but that's news to no one.
Her saying that Vaush was the one being annoying, disruptive, and condescending during this debate was actually the most frustrating thing ever
idk, he was very cindesending when he made jokes about her never going to more than a few classes in collage.
@@danielcintz8880 clearly you're in the same boat, friend
@@chrispysaid r u high?
@@danielcintz8880it’s actually very light handed to insult her education when she says “you don’t need studies just raw data”
That’s about as kind as you can be
@@TheExterminatorGuyJudy?
Saying the phrase, “I’m very pretty,” out of nowhere, is definitely something confident people do 😂
bro "i'm smarter than you, don't talk down to me" lmaoooooooo
yeah like if you have to say it……..
Bizzarely I just read this sentence exactly as she said that specific line.
For a physics major I am shocked that she can't remember the first freaking rule of data analysis... correlation does not immediately equate to causation!
What? The number of films Nicolas Cage appeared in that year does NOT influence the number of people who drowned by falling into a pool? The data clearly says so!
That’s the first thing they beat into your brain as a STEM major so I really doubt this person is a physics major (or has even gone to college)
@@briannad9155 Yeah as a stem major myself her claims were pretty incoherent. But that can just be her own biases. Although that physicist hybris was on-point ;)
(I'm a physics major myself so I'm allowed to say that)
We learned about the reliability and validity of data in physics at 14. Did she sleep through her classes?
Because physics is equations apparently. I majored in history, only ever did physics 101, but I'm pretty sure there's more to physics than equations.
Blaming immigrants for a country's problems is the oldest hustle in town. I wish more people were equipped with thinking brains.
It is also correct.
Immigration can lead to an influx of people into a region, increasing the demand for housing. Ultimately leading to the increase of price when the demand exceeds the supply,
@@albervethat also happens when people are born… So what? Isn’t like all of civilization based around the idea that it’s good to have people around working with each other?
@@alberve Any empirical evidence to support this or nah
@@blasianking4827 I can't post links on UA-cam. It's basic economics, supply and demand..
@@thibaultl1956 Immigrants who are already old enough to rent can enter a small area in a much larger scale than people being born there, and people being born take years until they're old enough to rent on their own
**finishes a five minute rant**
**Vaush starts talking**
"WOW YOU WON'T EVEN LET ME SAY TWO WORDS"
I think she just used this as a means to advertise her sexual content to a large group of people that she thought would be interested in her content. Practically all of it seemed transparently performative in the same vein as the recent Andrew/BPF or old Jackson Hinkle debate. "Don't talk down to me/ don't interrupt" literally the sentence after talking down to him/interrupting him multiple times, and the forced creepy sexual harassment make it borderline impossible for me to believe any part of her performance was genuine.
This lady sounded like she was coked out of her mind. It was pretty absurd to hear her accuse Vaush of interrupting her given how often she did that to him. "I studied physics, I'm not a dummy" is the kind of thing you say if you're invested in the idea of seeing yourself as intelligent, but the demand here re: avoiding anti-intellectualism is on behavior, not quality of person. "You won't let me talk" is a pretty funny repeated series of interruptions to interject into Vaush trying to ask a question. The repeated narcissism of "I'm very pretty, come have sex with me, I'm hot, I'm smart, I'm always right, don't question me, etc. etc." was probably supposed to sound humorous, but it stops being a joke when you just say it and then act like you really think that way.
Americans and Canadians should wise up to this kind of wink-and-a-nod friendly neighborhood racist stuff. If you're not used to hearing European racists talk like this all the time, you might notice certain parallels to fascists Vaush has debated -- weird disdain for data that contradicts her views (she got very cagey about economic sources as a concept but was predisposed to arguing from "basic econ"), awkward inconsistencies about her own views (attributing a great deal of harm to neoliberalism as an ideology n general while self-identifying as a neoliberal), outright exaggerating the impact of immigrants (spoiler alert: Canada isn't being immensely harmed by immigration).
TL;DR -- This lady was zooted, another one for the "fascism is a mental illness" profile Vaush has cultivated by being a magnet for the most insane people alive. Presumably she just had this debate to continuously advertise herself.
Yeah, she was interrupting worse than BigPapaFascist and was even more paranoid about data and being interrupted. It would check out if she was on something stronger than nicotine. She talked so much I doubt she had enough time to hit a vape or something.
She posted on her Twitter before the debate that she was drunk but even if she wasn't I definitely believe she was on SOMETHING.
@@pashlyn Anyone who goes into a supposed important debate on immigration drunk off her tits isn't acting in good faith at all.
After living with a alcoholic step parent people like this trigger me. All of the superiority, the inappropriate boasts, slurring, etc etc etc. she was definitely cooked on cooking cherry, or more likely, whiskey.
I didn't know how seriously to take the "I'm always right and you want to fuck me" stuff because it just seemed like she had seen Vaush do it enough to others and thought to copy him as an off-balancing gag. It's hard to know if someone believes their own hype when you only see them in a clip or short interaction and I imagine this plays against Vaush with other audiences for the same reason.
Lady upset that houses are expensive, blames immigrants 100 times, number of times zoning and housing market manipulation by private equity came up 0.
She actually did mention private investment briefly only to downplay it as "just a part of the problem" then go back to blaming immigrants which is even more disgusting
And no mention of how new home construction paused during the pandemic, causing a drought of houses on the market that continues to this day. She hyperfocuses on immigrants' supposed effect on demand (which she provided no rigorous study for), but pays no attention to supply
But that PhD book-learnin', tho!
Seriously isn't like 90% of all property in Canada owned by Chinese investors? lmao damn immigrants tho
@@NuvizzleI believe it is closer to 15%, but it is still a high number. 40% owned by corporations, the last time I checked.
All things cause it. Can't ignore immigration as a cause simply because you sympathize with immigrants. This is a pretty big lefty issue. Immigration is super awesome, provided the government and elites AREN'T doing all the other shenanigans in the background.
This person was *definitely* drunk. As a former alcoholic the signs are unmistakable.
Definitely wasn't and I have a whole entire vod after it. I don't drink generally, though I was a tad hungover from going out with a friend.
I've had a very rough time lately for personal reasons, I was not drunk and do not drink during my show. This line of attack is really weird.
@@jadejackson1509 Why is there no links to you?
Iunno I assume he edited the vod heavily.@@mistercohaagen
@@jadejackson1509 So then what's your excuse for all the sexual harassment? Because if you're being fully sober and doing that much, that's worse. You get that that's worse, right?
@@jadejackson1509 Also, don't try to defend yourself in the UA-cam comments days later. Like, do some goddamn self-care.
Loud, insecure, drunk people historically have had good takes on immigration all the time.
She gives me the vibe that she would argue against desegregation in the 70s because “The Bourgeoisie will use Black Workers to weaken union power.”
Based
@@eriksvensson6054all your recents are cringe af
Would she? She literally said she's not racist /s
Whenever I hear today's anti-queer and anti-immigrant arguments, my brain just switches (insert minority here) with "black" and I go, "Come on, you idiots already argued this years ago!"
@@abdulmasaiev9024 she also said she's pro immigration and likes immigrants
I wish this conversation would just skip to: "IF I accept your premise that immigration is overall harmful (it isn't), what's your solution? How do we decide who gets banned?"
It always exposes their bigotry and/or eugenics based politics.
Of course. The natural conclusion of accepting immigration as a problem would always be a Nationalist one.
The problem is that then they'll lie. They'll say something about how they don't want race-based immigration and they just want to encourage skilled immigration and refuse to give specific immigration policy. They'll just go celebrate that they got you to agree that allowing the browns in indiscriminately ruins society (even though you did no such thing)
I thought so too but I guess Vaush wanted to work with the base premise first.
@@nahuelkid maybe. It's easy to armchair quarterback after the fact, he couldn't KNOW that reflexively rejecting basic stupidity would big down the convo.
Also she was throwing up a lot of conversational flak, he probably was thrown a bit.
@stevenpaul1476 Agreed. Her entire argument was essentially a combination of gish-galloping and appealing to authority/false authority. Claiming an education in physics teaches you how to analyze economical data is pretty crazy considering the nuances of that field of study, such as how long it often takes to see the consequences of any given policy or change in the system, which is much more akin to sociology and psychology than it is to physics.
Watching this live and hearing her sexually harass him repeatedly was so jarring and uncomfortable. I was kind of hopeful for an entertaining time but this was such a shitshow. Thankfully the next guest was so amicable that it balanced out.
Him telling her to shut the fuck up felt sooooo good
The moment she said that she could control for variables in her head and that standalone data was a good source of information for her argument I mentally tuned out.
Very embarassing for a STEM student.
I feel so much secondhand embarrassment for “yeah I can control for variables in my head sorry you can’t bro”
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
- Bertrand Russell
@@Depressionisms tfw mental multivariate regression
LEAST arrogant stem major.
that was the funniest part of the debate, and also when she lost
Listening to this live was so frustrating. Like, she would not STOP with the odd remarks, sexual harassment, constant interrupting, and frustrating language.
I’m used to snarky, self confident folk. Vaush, myself, and many of my friends and the UA-camrs I watch fall into that category. But whatever she was trying to do was just painful to listen to. And to top it off, she was wrong about most things she said.
That is the average conservate. I get used to it over the years, but sometimes I snap at them.
seriously, she gives off abuser vibes, accusing Vaush of talking over her after she did it almost constantly
Confidence only works if you’re, you know, actually right. Or at least able to appear to be right
I watched it live (unfortunately). I got the impression she was haming it up for her audience. I mean there's probably a few things going on here, but I'm pretty sure after the call she admitted to doing it for attention.
Seems like she just wanted to debate so she could advertise her cam show and get more coomers to view her and become potential customers
First she was on Twitter before this debate, basically admitting to drinking too much alcohol and also said she had a bad day. Today she's now asking twitter "at what point does not eating become self-harm?"
As horribly racist as she is, i do feel bad for her. I hope she gets help with whatever is causing her to day drink and starve herself
I went drinking with a friend the night before and had like 4 drinks. I rarely drink. What a weird take. I have been a bit emotionally unwell and depressed, and had a very bad day that day, I have been not eating lately, I've been down. Y'all are weird.
@jadejackson1509 why is it a weird take to worry about you not eating and worrying about what's making you depressed?
@@jadejackson1509 please don't sexually harass the next person you debate, you creep.
What’s her name?
“Fuck studies. Data is data.” Ma lord
imagine getting this worked up about immigration when the climate refugee projections over the next 10-20 years are beyond staggering.
The immigration crisis due to climate change is going to blow up a huge amount of confirmation bias on people who believe the great replacement conspiracy BS. And none will link the immigration to climate change
these "people"s immigration policy would be just "automatic turrets at the border"
Prepare for extremely fascistic rhetoric like what they were doing in 2014 again, when that happens instead of addressing climate change itself pushing people out as it did all throughout human history.
i was about to say i don't think shes ready for the shitshow thats coming.
@@moploplus I mean we're already getting tower defense levels of border shenanigans where they can get away with it considering the sawblade barriers, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they escalated to automated firearms
Disappointing vaush only told her to shut up once. She was so toxic and abusive she deserved to get a harder scolding.
1000%
He probably didn't want to get her more turned on than she already was
He survived 44 minutes before telling her to stfu. Man has insane patience, is he ok?
@echiko4932 no the man's not well
I 100% blame the Professor Flowers backlash. I know Vaush just does what he wants, but I'm positive this entire time he was trying to weigh the pros of being assertive towards an annoying bad faith actor with the cons of having to deal with people claiming he's Transphobic for being rude to a Trans Woman.
“Im not racist”
*Proceeds to make an exclusively racist argument*
This is genuinely the most arrogant person I've seen Vaush debate.
Edit: The multiple instances of sexual harassment she committed in this debate were creepy and disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if she has NPD given her behaviour.
Genuinely surprised at the conservative just flatly rejecting ALL economic studies after using an economics-based argument but okay.
Which conservative? No conservatives were detected in this debate.
Unfortunately housing shortages drive people crazy. I have an acquaintance in Nova Scotia who is liberal/progressive in almost every aspect but the housing difficulties have cooked his brain on the immigration aspect. He talks a lot like this person.
@@NotoriousLightning leftists think Bill Maher is a conservative.
She didn't expect Vaush to call her out on the fact she had 0 studies to back up her claims. These people expect to be able to lie about that sort of thing and the person they're debating not pick up on it. "Source: Just trust me bro"
@@NotoriousLightningThis lady sure as hell isn't a liberal or progressive.
And saying "the workers" doesn't make you a leftist.
my favorite debate tactics are sexual harassment, gaslighting and trying to brag about how smart my mom says i am.
what she did was legitimately disgusting.
When debaters on immigration come from Canada they aren't sending us their best. Some of them are gaslighters ,some braggarts, some are sexual harassers. And some, I assume, are good people.
@@karenholmes6565And she's all three!
She's kinda hot though
Nah, don't let the cringe distract you.
The most disgusting part was proclaiming that statistics are infallible, blind numbers are data, and studies are nonsense.
The horrendous and legitimately gross part was saying "during this time, this number doubled, this number tripled, this number quadrupled, so its that first numbers fault". Its just blind racism. I'm very surprised Vaush let her get away with just saying a bunch of numbers for a while and concluding the problem is dirty immigrants, especially after she clearly said "I'd like to say a bunch of numbers for a while then blame dirty immigrants".
The normal cringe shit was just kind of sad
This was one of the most repugnant people Vaush has debated. And Vaush has spoken with Charlie Kirk, Sargon, Tim Pool and Molineux.
I'm graduating with an engineering undergrad this year. This girl is a PRIME example of the dunning kruger effect. Engineers can be just as information illiterate as anyone else but will be so sure of their convictions just because they're skilled at one thing. Rejecting the opinions of ANY people who spend way more hours researching a thing than you do is wild lmfao.
ugh. i couldnt stay awake to watch this full thing live, and honestly after listening to this, think that was a good thing.
as someone who was a STEM major (biomedical science) in undergrad, listening to her absolutely lose it when asked for actual sources for her evidence makes me… very skeptical of her actually having a degree lmao.
not to mention the insanely uncomfortable amounts of harassment. had me feeling so icky i nearly couldn’t finish watching ffs
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I love how she's calling him a "neoliberal" while spouting far-right anti-immigration talking points.
Online lefties and using the word neoliberal in situations where it doesn’t apply at all, name a more iconic duo
@@GamernutritionfactsVaush and Horses
@@Gamernutritionfacts Trump and indictments
The true neoliberal stance is to want regulated immigration, which would make "her" the neoliberal here. Which makes "her" more sane than vaush
@@just_a_turtle_chadNo, far-right is way worse than neoliberal. Most of the Democrat party is neoliberal, and I would vote for them over any far-right fascist lunatic. Neoliberalism is, by far, the lesser of two evils.
And the audience is ignoring the fact that this person was practically up Vaush’s pant leg trying to get at him sexually. Haven’t seen such a blatant case of a male being sexually harassed online like I get daily ever. I’m sorry @Vaush that was disgusting and rude and that person owes you an apology. If you were fine with it that’s cool but that shit was super icky
I was watching this one live from UA-cam chat, I promise you plenty of us were grossed out and pointing out her sexual harassment as it happened, someone also brought it up to him in the post debate discussion and he talked about it. It was super uncomfortable to see live, especially because she was projecting it onto Vaush in a weird way, it wasn't "I find you hot and want to get nasty" it was "you find me SO hot I just know it, you must want to have sex with me so bad. ik ur into trans girls, that's what pan means" almost like she was trying to use it to demean him and his argument, when in reality she was clearly the creep. Like a gross power play.
Well too be fair its male on male sexual harassment which is not very uncommon in leftie circles.
@eriksvensson6054 we got people just above you using proper pronouns. Yet you still go for the lame ass repeated to death "joke"
@@eriksvensson6054Bro, get outta here and some sleep.
@@hichaelhighers Cope
"You can't control for variables in your head"
"I can maybe you can't"
Holy shit.... Just committed debate seppuku.
I actually feel sorry for vaush and I'm not even done, you can tell the moment he checks out. This actually feels like watching abuse it's pretty horrible that people can act like this and think it's okay.
I don’t know if she’s mentally I’ll, or just drunk. But seriously, “correlation, causation doesn’t exist in physics”? Clearly something’s up.
Causation actually doesn’t exist in physics. We can see consistent temporal relationships and know when things *can’t* be causatively linked, but we really can’t say that x *causes* y even if y is in the light cone of x and consistently happens in the light cone of x
@@dylanb265 Causation literally exists in physics, what the hell are you talking about? If you have a stationary ball somewhere and then exert some force on it to put it into motion, that's both the cause and its effect.
@@InfiniteDeckhandbut for the sake of their argument, what if his head just did that? Similarly, what if the ball just did that?
@@dylanb265 That's just being pedantic. That's technically what everyone does.
Probably just assumed she could get away with saying whatever she felt like.
My guess is that she thought she was way smarter than she really was, and got frustrated when V didn’t bow down to her intellect
When you start any argument with “ I am not racist “ 😂
"she was in fact, a racist" - narrator voice
I can't believe she thought Vaush was the interrupter in this convo.
This was not a good faith debate on her behalf. It was an advertisement for her website and entertainment for her audience.
Near the end she's yelling that immigration is only good up to a rate of about 2 to 3% BUT NO HIGHER after spending an hour trying to argue that Canada's 2.7% rate in 2022 is an unmitigated disaster.
After watching the whole thing, I'd say yes, she was drunk.
Canada's rate is 4x the US and does not include TFW or international students. A fact I tried to mention but Vaush spent 10 minutes interrupting me and declaring my statements made up.
Oh my God, she’s worse than BigPapaFascist. She literally won’t let Vaush finish a sentence, but she is complaining that he won’t let her finish talking.
No I don't agree, Andrew is MUCH MUCH stupider than this girl
Andrew was more bad faith but Jade is more drunk. She believes things, Andrew doesn't.
@@echiko4932 I think she had a lot of caffeine, too. Unless that is just the ADHD making her an energetic drunk instead of a sluggish one.
The whole time she just nonstop says shit like "Vaush, I'm smarter than you! Listen!" and "Vaush you're not as quick as me, stop talking!" and then Vaush says some innocuous shit like "As a STEM major you should know that-" and she's immediately flailing about civility and talking down to her and refusing to listen and absolutely shutting down. Embarrassing, don't shoot if you can't take shots. Not to mention the whole "constantly talking over Vaush while complaining that Vaush is talking over you" which is just such a quick way to instantly lose the audience.
Editors should have just bleeped out every time she tried to plug herself. Mostly because you know she'd lose her mind on Twitter and it would have been extremally funny to watch.
On behalf of canada, we do not claim her, im sorry.
Deport her and give her wage to an immigrant...
"Immigration is bad, I have no legit data to back up my claims, just trust me bro"
Who needs legit data when you're like really smart and stuff
"Don't talk down to me; I'm smarter than you."
Well when I started to talk about what I wanted to he would interrupt me incessently and all he wanted to talk about was immigration studies within the range i said was normal and fine. So kinda hard when he got weirdly aggressive and ad hominemy and interrupted me for 5 minutes rather than let me state my case.
Immigration is bad above a normal rate. "Okay but this study on immigration at a normal rate says otherwise" "Okay but thats a normal rate which i said was fine, in a unique above normal situation" "That's not real data, prove that information is even right, yada, yada, yada" I literally couldnt say waht I wanted to he would never let me. I said multiple times immigration levels in america are fine, he ignored this, I literally ranted about it at the end. He would not acknowledge anything outside of his narrow scope. I was not saying immigration was bad...
"Can you let me talk," she says over and over, as she constantly interrupts her opponent
I feel violated listening to this, and especially with the sexual harassment. Total cringe. Gross. Honestly, if Vaush had just cut it I wouldn't have blamed him.
The sexual harassment throughout this “debate” is down right disgusting!
I promise we aren't all this creepy and narcissistic, this person had to have been drunk or something 💀
@@katyungodly well I’ve always found STEM lords creepy and narcissistic so you have an uphill battle.
Hello. Where did the sexual harassment happened? Not denying it, but curious.
I promise this is only the S*X worker tgirls we are not like this 💀💀
Its horrendous. And because its such a smaller minority group, anything she does will be associated to every trans person as an example of 'typical trans behaviour' and use it as evidence that theyre all freaks
Ah yes. A physics major who screams "DONT LOOK IT UP!"
well thats a compelling argument
I literally had to look up a fact and was right. His study wasn't relevant to the conversation I was trying to have.
@@jadejackson1509lmao cope, dont you have other streamers to sexually harass??
@@jadejackson1509you have 30 comments on vaush’s channel yet you very clearly hate him. Touch grass jade.
I’m sorry daddy vaush will never be with you
she interrupts every 2 sentences and if you get the majority of speaking time for one minute to make a point she freaks out like she never got to talk even though she went on multiple 5 minute spiels relatively uninterrupted. Yelling over you talking for 2 seconds saying "Thats wrong!!" when you havent even made a claim yet. For her own sake I hope she was on something.
I believe she was drunk
Lots of people would benefit from a third person who can just cut a person's mic if they start interrupting.
The "I don't have any biases I am very smart" -bit tells me all I need to know. It's delivered as a jokey-joke but she 100% believes it.
“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
that's very much something vaush would say too.
@@jonasdowner yes, but in his case he would be correct
Canadian here. The idea that Canada is currently allowing immigration "willy-nilly" is a right-wing talking point, unsupported by reality. Housing prices are absolutely a huge issue here right now, but that's not the fault of immigration.
This is what I was thinking, correct me if im wrong but doesn't Canada have a very strick immigration procces, even more so than the US?
I find it interesting that absurd housing prices push conservatives down the "this is because of immigration" pipeline, as opposed to questioning the institution of privatizing land.
@@ItachiUchiha-sh6of No it's less strict but it's a good thing. It's super effective at filling up vacant position quickly especially in public services (Schools, hospitals,...) because you can immigrate with your whole family even though they only need the mom to teach English at an elementary level in a small town so it's super attractive.
Hungary has next to no immigration, and one of the worst housing crises in the whole world. It's a result of other policies, mostly allowing investors (many of whom are Orbán's buddies) to buy up all the real estate and pricing out regular people.
I let out a scream of anguish when she said she was a physics major. STEM people get some of the worst rep I stg. I promise most of us are normal please you have to believe me
Her: "I'm smarter than you, Vaush"
Vaush: "Did you actually complete your degree?"
Her: "AD-HOMINEM!!"
She totally didn't btw. Vaush picked up on it too when she said "I went to school for physics" instead of "I have a physics degree"
Yeah, she used ad hominem first
Yeah it was embarrassing. And then the chat was like all 'typical STEM people', which triggered me pretty hard honestly. She is in no way representative of actual STEM people. I mean if you think there's no causation/correlation in physics, you haven't read a single physics paper in your life. At least not one outside of like the most theoretical of theoretical physics papers. This level of intellectual dishonesty is literally dangerous in a lot of STEM fields. If you act like this as a civil engineer for example, sooner or later people are gonna die. Well with the way she speaks through people not really cause you're never gonna be hired in the first place, but the point still stands.
In fact the way that chat responded was quite shocking to me. It's completely analogous to a racist saying like: see all black people are criminals! after seeing a single black person committing a crime. It's a disgusting mindset.
A physics major that doesn’t understand confounding variables… this person did NOT get a degree. They learned a little bit, felt they were too smart for everyone there and left.
STEM "I can control for variables in my head bro" girl
That's called sitting on top of Mt. Stupid
Likely right. She never even stated she had a degree. Not that a BS/BA in physics even means that much (PhD does). But she just said 'I went to school for physics' and never clarified further.
Eh, anyone with an undergrad degree in a subject like physics, engineering, etc. should have enough working knowledge to deal with most questions like this. Generally speaking, grad and post-grad degrees involve more specialization and education in very specific fields. It doesn’t really better equip someone to deal with broader questions/subjects outside one’s area of study. You learn most of the fundamentals in undergrad. This person didn’t even get that far.@@delos2279
@@delos2279 ok bs/ba in physics does mean a lot. doesn't mean they are politically smart but like they fs know physics. also i feel harassed listening to her wth
The casual sexual harassment is certainly an… interesting… tactic to use
I wasn't aware "horse cock enthusiast, you're a beta cuck who's gf gets fucked by tyrone" Vaush wasn't able to take a joke, especially from a trans pornstar, but okay.
In the future I won't hit on him, I don't find him attractive and I was just being silly, I didn't realize that talking about big meaty horse cock to conservative christians and his cucking fetish was okay but asking him to fuck wasn't? Like? Y'all are dumb.
Had fun though. Actually really took my mind off things.
Also I drink like three times a year and had gone out with a friend the night before. Y'all jumping on shes an alcoholic is fucking weird.
I was really rattled that day and almost canceled, but I ultimately had fun, not a debater and never done that before. Vaush really likes to rush you into doing a debate immediately huh? Also did a ton of ad hominems and got really aggro when I tried to get on topic. Then hung up on me. Lol.
Also Canada has 1/8th the population and more immigration than america, the population has grown a quarter million in the last 3 months, and housing prices are at an all time high and the enconomy is fucked. Immigration in canada is 8 times the rate of America. That's what I wanted to talk about. But vaush wanted to railroad me into studies he could site that werent relevant to my point.
Also he's casually sexist to me which is fine. But whatever.
Timestamp?
@@Draugr404like 30 mins in
God why is she allowed to just be so gross towards Vaush? Saying "oh you'll be staying on my couch" and "I know you like sleeping with trans women" that would be incredibly criticized coming from anyone else especially vaush
That behavior is so f***ing creepy. Not to mention she kept talking about how hot she was, like that made it OK or something. What a disgusting person.
Hearing her call herself pretty sooo many times was so embarrassing dude like i got second hand embarrassment, like who are you trying to convince we already hearddd and then the repeated sexual advances towards Vaush?? Like ok i know youre a sex worker but as a fellow sex worker that was WEIRD and uncomfortable
You being pretty has no bearing on your argument. This was really a really weird one and JFC she was the most insufferable opponent I've heard in a long time.
"Who are you trying to convince?"
She' s trying to convince Vaush, apparently. It must be so hard to argue cogently when your body is trying to smash through your computer screen.
“I’m not scapegoating immigrants”….proceeds to use a hypothetical 1 BILLION immigrants to try and say that immigration ruins the economy.
Not to mention the fact that she’s big mad and hella condescending because she’s “smarter than you”.
Her whole argument seemed to come back to "but immigration bad".
God it's so dumb, if that's the case how does any community on earth survive? They just spawn like that I guess
Counter argument: she said she wasn’t racist
@@VoidVermin Also she said she lived around immigrants growing up. Clearly there is no way she could be racist or anti-immigration. Complete and utter impossibility.
I love that argument because an actually smart person would NEVER say that. That just proves her insecurity.
She’s one of those “I’m smarter than you so I’m teaching you not the other way around” types I hate those
Damn Keffals was acting kinda wild today
Canadian here. The reason wages spiked in Canada was because employers were incentivized to pay workers hazard pay for being on the job during a pandemic.
A thing I like to do is watch just the first minute of the debate and then immediately skip to just before the end when the debate has devolved into shouting and raging. The contrast in civility is really funny
To be fair that's how most debates are for everyone involved
Playing it at 0.25 speed is also interesting. 'Debating while shitfaced'
After this debate, Vaush debated a fellow from China. Far more civil. The Chinese bloke was actually based.
@@thefeastofbloodYou get the same effect from her when you play the video at 1x speed.
Economic data written by corporations not to be trusted
As a thirsty Canadian trans woman, I do not claim this... lovely person. She unironically sounds like Mel 😂😂😂
I can assure you I am not thirsty for vaush lol
"Fuck studies, listen to me" - sums up the debate.
Not that this was the weirdest or most wrong comment but … they claimed immigrants are taking lower than minimum wage at subway and Tim hortons? That’s absolutely not true. It wouldn’t be big corporations under intense scrutiny. It’s things like farms, construction. Labour where it’s easy to pay under the table.
I am 4.5 minutes in and I already know I'm in for some bullshit--deciding that immigration has literally anything to do with the housing crisis in Canada over literally any other factor is certainly A Choice. Currently the biggest factor in the housing crisis, at least in my province, is the complete lack of regulations for big housing corpos who scoop up every single available property--houses built with the intent that people would buy them and live in them--and then put it on the rental market at rates higher than a mortgage would be for an actual family trying to buy a house. I know people who are READY to buy a house, only to have every single reasonable (and sometimes extremely overblown thanks to the market) offer rejected because some rental operation is willing to outbid real offers by real people.
There are plenty of people who want to buy houses here, but no houses to buy. My BIL was renting a townhouse for almost double my mortgage, and half of his neighbourhood was just empty houses for the two years he was there before he moved back in with my inlaws so he could actually save to afford a down-payment on a new house at some vague point in the future. Jesus.
I honestly think she was drunk
@@michaeljmyers1995 I'm 35 mins in and I'm with you on that. Also just got to the "come visit, you can stay in my bed" part so uhhh props to vaush for just like of laughing it off but that would be the end of the conversation for me.
"All you need is data!" She says.
Followed by "Here is some data. And all of this data is caused by immigration."
Sorry, but you need something to support that leap.
Sounds like y'all are having similar problems! I am very concerned. It's not just the housing already built but the developments in progress that are usually just more and more rentals!
+michaeljmyers1995 She didn’t sound drunk, she sounded like she was on a shit-ton of caffeine or something.
As a former tech recruiter I can say that staffing agencies that hold an employee's H1B visa do take such a sizable chunk of the employee's pay that that H1B visa employee does effectively work for less. But this is not the employee's fault, this is the staffing agencies getting away with abuse by holding their visa hostage.
Isn’t that because the employee goes through a recruiter though? Like they’re still getting paid the same by the company but are paying the recruiting office fees.
Importantly that doesn't decrease what the *employer* is paying.
Then how come indian immigrants have higher median income than other ethnic groups? They are only behind jews.
Didnt wages rise amid Covid cuz many got sick and died? Also many just after Covid didnt want to work fast food etc due to stress by abusive, tense customers. Also, money supply, at least in US, skyrocketed, cuz the fed backstopped the financial sector. Money supply rose alot. I think covid mattered more than immigration. A small echo of wage hikes after the plague struck Europe in Middle Ages.
Saying you took physics to qualify yourself for sociological analysis is like a burger flipper saying they're a chef
"Did you get your degree, or did you just pop in for a couple days of study?"
"Vaush, that's an ad hominem"
Fucking stem majors
"I think you _sound_ a little drunk."
"That's an ad hominem too"
NO IT'S NOOOOOOT
You know what is ad hominem? Saying you can't trust economists because they're all paid to push an agenda
I was watching this one live from UA-cam chat, the sexual harassment and smugness was super uncomfortable to see, especially because she was projecting it onto Vaush in a weird way. It wasn't "I find you hot and want to get nasty" it was "you find me SO hot, I just know it. You must want to have sex with me so bad. ik ur into trans girls, that's what pan means :). People like Vaush want to get air BnB's so they can have sex with hot trans girls" almost like she was trying to use it to demean him and his argument, when in reality she was clearly the creep. Like a gross power play. A conceited and narcissistic overlay to already disgusting behavior.
She really clung to the covid-immigration correlation but covid tanked nearly all economic activity and produced a recession. Prices went down broadly and increased wages were an incentive to get people back to work.
It‘s insanely silly! EVERYTHING changed during Covid. You can probably correlate everything with everything during Covid, just because of the extraordinary circumstances. That‘s why it‘s important to demonstrate CAUSAL link, not just correlations.
I live in Canada, rents have been increasing rapidly for decades , they went down in major cities during the lockdowns because the cost of living was too expensive and a lot of people relocated - anecdotally I know a whole bunch of people who were forced to move back in with their parents who are my age (im almost 30 lol) - rents then returned to their height + landlords got greedier than ever seeing that a lot of people were moving back to the city again and they continued their steep rise once again once the market returned to normal - thats all that happened this person is just incredibly dishonest.
@@ParadeofCrows That sucks but thanks for sharing your personal exp. It's depressing how jade is blaming poor immigrants for something greedy landlords and wealthy capitalists are causing.
Also, I couldn't find the chart vaush was looking at, but I *think* that the sharp uptick of 'monthly earnings' might have to do with the $2,000 cheques each month that the federal government was offering, too.
Exactly.
"You're talking down to me."
Also her: "I'm smarter than you."
I didn't know one person could possess that many unflattering stereotypes simultaneously :|
You can tell she doesn't have much experience with debates because she got angry really fast. Like 5 minutes in Vaush is just talking normally and you can tell by the sound of her voice she's losing her cool with him.
Either that or she's a Narcissist who can't stand when people don't instantly bend to them, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Edit: Definitely a Narcissist. I love how she immediately jumped to "I'm not a Fascist" despite Vaush not bringing that up at ALL. Not to mention she admitted to doing this for attention afterwards.
Saying it's for attention is such cope on her part for being an obvious dumb-ass
It’s less an experience with debate, and more crippling alcoholism and deep neuroses.
i like the points but i don’t like diagnosing overall from someone who im assuming is not a psychiatrist and let alone one experience with a person who you haven’t even met but if i had to give any diagnosis she’s drunk
edit:I think you should be less judgmental and look inwards to see why you would do such a thing to a person you don’t know because if i had to guess you just do it to feel better about yourself
@@bobluegi7120 I don't have to be a psychiatrist to point out when someone is being an obvious troll. If you can't bring yourself to be judgemental to a person who is as blatantly dishonest and manipulative as her, then you're the one who needs to do some inner reflecting. She literally admitted to lying on her own stream, that it was all a ploy to get attention from Vaush's audience.
This reminded me of a debate Sam Seder had with an antivaxxer. Sam would ask for sources to look at for stats & the man would act like it was such a silly request. He had nothing but what he had heard from other antivaxxers in his head.
Also, the second she opened her mouth, it was like a storm cloud of obnoxiousness rained all over me.
Link? I’ve been missing out on Sam Seder lately
21:55 “FUCK studies! Data is data!” Is an insane statement from someone who claims to not be a dummy.
She’s either trolling or believes Nick Cage movies cause shark attacks
Her constantly making sexual inuendos and "everything i say is right" self back pats made this really damn weird to watch. I know vaush also goes "i'm always right" sometimes but she was constantly doing it to a point where i really think she forgot it's meant to be a bit.
I literally just started my own Introduction to Statistics class, and literally on the first page of the first lesson of the whole damn subject it makes a point to say that raw data alone means nothing, and that the way you collected the data and how you put it together is what determines whether it's useful or not. So to see hear her blabbering on about "fuck studies" and "but I have data" was so frustrating. I'm the furthest thing from an expert on the topic and even I know it's stupid.
Also her whole attitude throughout the whole thing was really weird. The "I can do it, I'm right" and sexual comments come across like she's trying to imitate Vaush but doesn't really know how.
I'm not even in STEM and my statistics class also drilled that into my head. Girl has NO excuse
She literally interrupted him endlessly. People who project are so annoying
"These two things happened so I'm concluding they are connected"
"Do you have any analysis to show they are connected"
"Yes, I did the analysis in my head, just now. Checkmate"
If there's a nobel prize for patience, Vaush won it 4 times during this debate. 😵💫
Wait wait wait. So she starts by saying that Canadians get too much inmigration and that increases rent and house prices, and then proceeds to say that a huge amount of that is international students? International students who get provided a residence and don't usually have a housing demand? Dear god.
Also, the harassment was downright awful.
Except they do not. Conestoga College for instance has a campus residence capacity of about ~2,000 students... There were over 21,000 international students attending the college in 2022 alone. Most share /rooms in the suburbs or apartments.
Incredulously Joker laughing half way through each of Vaush’s sentences for the first 45 minutes was the cherry on top. Least functioning alcoholic I’ve ever had the displeasure of listening too.
@@memorycardgaming1148 Alright, I don't know much about that, but she did say during the debate that the state provides housing for those students, which I thought kind of defeated both the rent argument and the "immigrants coming to take your jobs" thing
@@cirospedale7511 Yeah, they're not "taking our jobs"... The housing and cost of living crisis here has far more to do with two decades of poor short-sighted government policies, strict regional zoning, environmental protection laws, cuts to college subsidies, healthcare, etc etc.. Several problems that all lead and compound into one another because there's only 4-5 places that people want live in this country.
The worst the new people coming here are doing is rapidly increasing the demand for food, which the grocer oligopolies are fucking us hard.. That's not their fault though, if anything, I feel sympathetic - they have it a lot worse than us... Not that this lady would try to understand that.
@@memorycardgaming1148 Absolutely. It's insane how much she reduced everything to fit into that little box, honestly it's annoying when there's someone that convinces themselves they're a leftie and all the other ones don't get how conservatives are right on this one issue that's currently ruining their country.
I saw parts of this live and had to leave. The level of smugness and inappropriate sexual harrassment was off the charts. And she was entirely too uneducated in the topic to be that condescending the whole time.
What makes her insufferable is hipocrisy tho - b1tch spent the first half of this convo interrupting Vaush, not letting him make a single point and just spamming her brainfart assumptions besed on nothing. Then she gets triggered when he tries to talk over her for 5 mins. This is how adult baby acts... she should be wearing a diaper.
I think she was in fact drunk.
When someone is smug about being wrong, and behaving in a creepy manner......you have yourself a conservative.
@robertaylor9218 drunk does not excuse the behavior, especially the harrassment.
@@TheLostCakeOfficial I finished the video after I made my comment. Yeah, she got a lot worse from the time I commented, totally agree.
"I'm on chaturbate right now" What the fuck
How does someone explain the problem of expensive housing almost perfectly and then completely miss problem and blame immigrants? How does that happen?
"The rich have put their stakes in REITS and buy up homes en masse to turn into rental properties that skyrocket in price by trading the properties between each other like STDs in an incestuous orgy, even as no one occupies them. ANYWAYS, THE MEXICANS..."
That felt like she only wanted attention and promote her stream. No coherent argument, ready to fight, over sexual, constantly plugging the website
This gal comes off as deeply insecure. Sexually, economically and intellectually. She boasts about her intelligence, money and her beauty constantly.
"Do you wanna hear my real voice?" -Ick Vibes
i dont know if it was just me. but if he directly said no i think she would be the type of person to show him something he says no to anyway. people like this are really icky and forceful
Well you see, this is a perfect explanation of what narcissism is versus what people think it is.
People call Vaush narcissistic all the time because he's openly confident. That's how you can tell they have no idea what they're talking about, because it's actually the other way around: Narcissism is rooted in insecurity. It's when someone is so deeply afraid of being shamed they put on a fake front of exaggerated confidence and deflect any and all shame onto others. Like this woman. She's not confident, but she pretends to be. Vaush is, so he doesn't need to pretend.
@@FelisImpurratoryeah, you’re the expert.
@@prometheusunbound3964 Can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
@@FelisImpurrator I mean, Vaush is an asshole, but he's also pretty intelligent and careful of his own biases and apparently simple solutions to difficult problems.
Canadian here. We need immigrants to drive economic growth, we have a much lower birth rate. Also our wages have never been higher. And wages in Canada are highest in areas with the most immigrants. Also were only letting in 500,000 a year. Also its not causing backlash this person knows nothing
After not getting it for a longtime Vaush has finally convinced me to hate bottoms. Why does this debate read like a smutty fan fic where the writer doesnt know anything about economics and its just a set up so the two characters can bang. Props to Vaush for staying cool while being sexually harassed the whole time.
I don't think that I've ever heard someone ever interrupt another person as much as this person interrupted Vaush. My debate teacher would have flunked them for this sort of behavior.
Edit: Upon review, this person is clearly a troll.
She wants to confirm her bias so so so badly and you simply won't let her. Love it.
"I'm not a dummy. I'm good at intellectualism."
Shit, she's got you there, Vaush. May as well wrap it up.
"Did you get your degree?"
"That's an ad hominim"
Your patience is very commendable and admirable.
Who could have predicted that one of the most psychotic debates on this channel would be with a trans sex worker of all people
Speaking for trans people and sex workers and trans sex workers, we don't claim her
she really speedran the bingo card
Theres a nut in every bunch. Just how shit is sadly.
it’s not that surprising
Anyone can be retarded or have retarded moments
Bruh, the entire time In my head I was thinking that she sounded familiar and by the end of the debate I recognized who it was, I literally follow her on chaturbate. WTF, had no clue she was this crazy lol.
This is definitely going down as one of the debates of all times
Vaush is the most generous debater I’ve ever seen. I was checked out after like 15 min, idk how or why you kept it going
Ooohhhh jeez. This woman is DEEPLY insecure. In a debate, it can be easy to hear “there is a flaw in your claim” and interpret it as “YOUR THINKING is flawed,” but that’s why STEM majors (and most majors tbh) are given LOTS of chances to present and debate. I’m not sure how this woman has a “degree” in STEM if she takes everything so personally and internalizes the slightest things. You need to be confident enough in your argument that you can actually HANDLE this kind of thing, otherwise, you shouldn’t debate. I almost feel bad for this poor woman.
You can also tell how insecure she is straight from the beginning. Looking at chat?? Not only looking but RESPONDING to chat??? If you were confident enough in your argument, you wouldn’t feel the need to do that because you’d be secure enough. If you’re self-secure and end up wrong, you’re able to say “I’ll have to rethink my argument, thank you for your time.” God I have no idea.
The sexual comments are also very strange. She’s a follower and has a crush and feels incredibly small because her parasocial relationship has amplified the disagreement.
Halfway through, hopefully I’ll get through this all.
As a STEM major (though from a liberal arts school) you don't get the chance to debate much until you get into masters and doctorate programs and need to defend your thesis. Undergrad is more about analyzing data (LOL) and group study/lab work. And interpreting results. There's a lot of ego in STEM, tbh, but this is an entirely different level bc it's not in an area she has expertise in. Usually this level only kicks in when people are arguing things in their field.
I think this might be a liberal arts school issue, I go to a majority STEM school and we practice this all the time. We get assigned a grad student and we work under them for the actual research practice, and then we defend it in front of our peers at the lowest level, stuff like that. I guess it's an institutional thing?@@bulletsandbracelets4140
@@MagicPotion1612 likely varies then! We had to take a variety of courses, including communications courses, which is where we saw more of that. It would also depend on the STEM field, tbh. I was comp sci and math and only took a few other science courses, like low level chem and bio. Basically, I wouldn't call it a guarantee of the fields until you reach thesis level! But I could definitely see some fields/schools starting early, similar to yours.
10:03 She says “I have data” and then in the next breath says “articles don matter, they’re biased.” So she only cares about data when it agrees with her. Good to know.
Her data is two datapoints. She doesn't have the data analysis.