Jordan Peterson Fans... Is This Your Guy? Really?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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00:00 Intro
02:04 Starting Their Video
03:43 What Does Post-Modernism Mean?
07:04 The Patriarchy is Evil?
09:46 Self Improvement
12:17 The Same Thing JP Has Been Saying for 5 Years
15:45 “It’s Up To The Centrists on BOTH SIDES”
17:47 Fascism & Is JP a Fascist?
25:56 “This is Cult Shit” Self Help Gurus
32:40 Conservative Victimhood
36:27 Reading The Comment Section
42:46 JP’s Audience Demographics
50:13 Red Skull & Bill C-16
53:58 Men Are Power Hungry?
58:50 MORE FASCISM! & Wrapping Up
#BenShapiro #JordanPeterson
Timestamps!
00:00 Intro
02:04 Starting Their Video
03:43 What Does Post-Modernism Mean?
07:04 The Patriarchy is Evil?
09:46 Self Improvement
12:17 The Same Thing JP Has Been Saying for 5 Years
15:45 “It’s Up To The Centrists on BOTH SIDES”
17:47 Fascism & Is JP a Fascist?
25:56 “This is Cult Shit” Self Help Gurus
32:40 Conservative Victimhood
36:27 Reading The Comment Section
42:46 JP’s Audience Demographics
50:13 Red Skull & Bill C-16
53:58 Men Are Power Hungry?
58:50 MORE FASCISM! & Wrapping Up
nice
How did you do this in under two minutes...? 🤔
@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle Tempest is the editor I'm pretty sure
@@billybobferguson3946 huh. Fair enough.
Thank you for your service.
Woman: **shows up at work without makeup**
Colleges: "Are you sick? You don't look so good"
Woman: **puts on makeup**
Jordan Peterson: "WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO AWAKEN MY CARNAL DESIRES?!"
ThAts so true people will literally say you look sick if you go a day without make up lol
@@mommybat2941 Or they’ll tell women to “be more confident” just because they cover up instead of showing skin.
@Joe Maleski And what is the point then?
@Joe Maleski literally, these young kids just love to hate on people for the silliest things. "Let me PRETEND Jordan Peterson thinks makeup is Only for attraction"
God this channel is full of idiotic nerds
@Joe Maleski Pretty ironic coming from a Peterson fan lol
Jordan Peterson: "I'm not a right-winger"
Also Jordan Peterson: tweets links to Prageru climate change denial videos, appears on panels with Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump Jr., is obsessed with "cultural marxism", and gets triggered by women wearing makeup at work
He was even featured on PragerU. The video is called "Fix Yourself".
he is just a rightwing grifter who is taking advantage of people in need, one day he will end up in jail for scaming so many people
He also cited a white supremacist who misrepresented a study in order to argue against diversity...
Speaking and existing in the vicinity of those on the right doesn’t make him, that what he told you he isn’t. You fool.
Cultural Marxism exists. You don’t have to be on the right to realize this.
I once had a friend (a Peterson fan) make the argument about "traditional gender roles". A member of his own family pointed out that a 100 years ago his family had been pig farmers and the traditional role of a pig farmers wife was also to be a pig farmer.
And she was not doing more than her husband right ?
@@surronzak8154 You lot are a sad type.
Where does Peterson preach traditional gender roles ?
@@surronzak8154 The point is that she was doing the same, which apparently went completely over your head.
@@avertingapathy3052 Thats the entire point of his argument lmao
Jordan Peterson talks like someone who wrote their essay and was like 30% short of the word count so they busted out the thesaurus.
I mean that just goes to show that you're acknowledging his usage of big words.
@@clearashazy431 of course he uses big words but using big words doesn’t automatically make you smart
@@chrisaugustin9181 I don't think it does but it shouldn't come as a surprise that a middle-aged psychologist has a bigger vocabulary than most young adults.
@@clearashazy431 doesn’t change the fact that he’s a poser
@@clearashazy431
Doesn’t change the fact he talks a lot to say very little.
Jordan “marxists won’t debate me but also I won’t debate marxists that will debate me” Peterson
Has he ever "debated" anyone since Dillahunty embarrassed him? He's probably done doing those.
Richard wolf would humiliate him in a debate
@@citizenoftheworld2694 Honestly after watching the debate with Destiny I don’t know that Richard Wolf cause make anybody look bad. But maybe that’s just because I find him insufferable to listen to
@@D1rtyD3bra nah its cause you are a toxic destiny bro
@@andrewfranquelin3184 Destiny was right. Socialism sucks.
"My IQ is higher than the current temperature of this room" is such a funny boast as someone outside the US
Wouldn't it be ridiculous in the US too, since the room temperature is only about 70 degrees Fahrenheit anyway?
@@francisdec1615 exactly, this guys iq must be around 70 as well with a comment like this lol
@@MrXennon1 You don't get it at all. He is mocking IQ, as it is an unscientific measure of "intelligence" and Peterson abuses of the concept on many of his talks. It's more than obvious that he knows that a "room temperature" IQ isn't high at all and that it is supposed to be an insult. That's utterly evident.
It was never intended as a boast by the sounds of it, I'm pretty sure he was just saying 'I'm not an idiot' (the sentence before it he actually says, "I'm not a fucking idiot") so I'm pretty sure he was just implying that a room temperature IQ would be exceptionally low no matter whether it's in F or C.
@@Yoursoulismine814 daaaaaaaaaaamn, gottem 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Mr. Peterson is incredibly articulate and verbose. That being said I have never in my life seen someone say literally nothing with so many words.
😂😂
So you just don't understand lmao
@@surronzak8154 I find it absolutely nuts that jp fans like you can say that unironically! because obviously anyone who criticizes his rhetoric simply must be too small brained to appreciate his greatness. Have you ever considered that his fanatical audience is just easily impressed
@@boycefenn impressed ? I’m not impressed, I’m just listening and learning something I later compare to something else I learn and compare
@@boycefenn you don’t agree his explaination of Peter Pan for example ?
Or give me an example of very well articulated nothingness
Dude btw thanks for the Elon musk take...I’m a South African and I really can’t stand that guy....man literally fabricated his entire backstory posing like he come from some poor background whereas he’s father owned a fricken emerald mine during apartheid.
❤🇿🇦 F Mlon Eusk.
I’m an American but musk has always made me sick.
The myth began with an interview his father Errol gave to Business Insider South Africa in 2018, in which he relayed a story about once trading an old plane for some cash and a share in a Zambian emerald deposit.
But there were problems with the story:
None of it was corroborated
The quantity of wealth that came from the supposed emerald flow was never quantified
The journalist suggested a direct link between the emeralds, the family’s overall wealth, and Elon’s later success
One of the resulting articles had a US headline that claimed the family still owned the mine (despite there never having been formal ownership, despite any emerald supply having died out some 30 years prior, and despite Elon and his father being quite famously estranged)
That story then mutated into a myth that grew to include the idea of apartheid or “blood emeralds”, despite Zambia (i) not being a conflict gem country, (ii) having been a regional ringleader of anti-apartheid activity at the time
Lol, who believes this ?
@@surronzak8154 simp #2
After a suicide attempt, I turn to JBP and it was helpful for a bit, but it couldn't address the underlying problems that were making me unhappy. Hilariously, I am trans, so his ideology was my last attempt to deny myself by trying to throw myself into masculinity one more time. Once I realized I was in denial only making myself more unhappy, I tossed 12 Rules For Life and became infinitely happier.
(high five)
Not joking, I'm surprised you survived. That's a terrible place to have turned as a person struggling with a transgender identity. Good thing you tossed that trash in the trash.
Well done ❤
Vape weed. The end.
As a fellow sufferer of depression I’m happy to hear this story. Keep up the good fight!
JP talks like how I wrote my papers in college when I didn’t read the assigned book.
Underrated comment
Oh shit, this comment is great
(I'm) Guilltttyy!!
Omfg this is perfect
LOL yeah he is the epitome of an obscurist.
"the world is better now then it was even 40 years ago"
So social change and progressive change is good. Glad you're admitting it
Sidenote but i love ur pfp! So cute ❤️
It isn’t though, thanks to technology we’ve devolved as human beings and became oddities of nature. Culture has lost its significance, now its more of a joke.
@@zackalil2920 ???
@@Diinytro classic vaush fan
@@zackalil2920 "Vaush fans" are known for using 3 question marks?
I actually learned some things from Jordan Peterson; one big lesson is that I'm more impressionable than I'd like.
We all are to some extent. The question is, who do you want leaving their impression on you?
@@RedScareClair probably not Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson: Not only the Incel King, but now also the Crying Karen Queen. S/he turned out to be non-binary after all 😁
based
@@RedScareClair no one on UA-cam thats for sure
Ben Shapiro: *Complaining about irrationality and the non-use of valid data when arguing.*
Also Ben Shapiro: *Does exactly what he complains about.*
If conservatives didn't have projection and hypocrisy they'd have nothing at all.
How is what not valid??
Also, yeah, conservatives seem to be and do all the things for which they criticize the left. It's so inescapable. It's absolutely absurd. This shit is far less prevalent on the left. I like to call then oxymorons
@@JallyJam No, you guys voted for a complete fascist who tried to destroy democracy in 2020. You guys voted for the guy that send the police against black people because he could. I could go on and on, Trump has been the most racist president this country maybe ever had, at least in modern times.
No, its not, you complete Smoothbrain.
Its not 'Pro-Black' To Support Racist Policing Policies and Support Racist Police when they murder people. Its not 'Pro-Black' to ignore Genuine concerns about systemic abuse.
Tax Breaks That Benefit Billionaires infinitely more than Small Buisness owners, and then Proceeding the lie about how much was invested, is not 'Pro-Black', its pro-Rich.
Neither is it 'Pro-Black' to praise Neo-Nazis as very fine people, or Constantly Spew Racist Dogshit.
Considering the Hundreds of People Police have Murdered for no fucking Reason, and the Massive Systemic Abuse they willingly perpetrate, the US is fucking lucky they got off **light**. Dont like riots? Dont Cause them by Constantly Abusing authority, Pretending that Abuse Doesnt Exist/Making Excuses for it, and Lying about the facts.
Dont like riots? *blame the Racist Policies and behaviour that caused them*
Its not Racist to Oppose Racist ID voter laws, Designed for the Specific Intent of suppressing the votes of anyone republicans dont like.
Its not always a matter of *ability* to Acquire those IDs. There are Longstanding Systemic Reasons that Poorer Communities of Citizens may not have them. Acknowledging that these challenges exist is not a judgement on the ability or intelligence of the community in question or its individual members.
ID laws, by the way, Perpetuated to fight an Imaginary problem based on Lies because the Orange man has the Mentality of a child and cant accept that Millions of People are sick of his shit. Including a lot of people who voted for him last time and are otherwise Republicans.
You will notice there are a lot of place where, Using the Same Ballot, Trump lost, but local Republicans running for local Offices won.
"I don't have followers, I have people who read, watch, and listen to my work and even follow my work and words, but I don't like to call them followers"
Sounds like followers to me lol.
Funbase
Says the guy who wanted to found his own church with himself as its figurehead. Don't need that anymore!
the perfect word he could call them is "comrades"
The blind manner in which his followers defend him under any video that mentions him and doesn't praise him proves the opposite. I don't think I've ever idolized someone to such an unhealthy degree and I'll do my best to never get to such a low point.
"Jordan Peterson never says ANYTHING explicitly" Yes! That's how he 'wins' debates. Because the moment you drive his claims to the logic conclusion, he denies either the claim or the conclusion. There is no premise, no conclusions with him. No way to debate his rhetorical flip-floping.
He's a sophist. All talk, no convictions, with some of the most hateful and bigoted followers imaginable.
id just always point that out against him. "if xou are not saying that, what are you saying and what actions are you implying?" i guess he would break
too big brain for you bro sorry
@@andrebennett1596 No need to be sorry at all...As long as his drivel fits the size of your brain and education, be blissfully happy :-) Cheers, bro!
Also that his style of "debate" makes his audience accuse anyone that criticizes him of "you didn't understand him" "you toked him out of context blah blah"
"He takes forever to say the most obvious shit."
hahaha yes he does
I was absolutely dumbfounded that Jordan Peterson, PhD, would reference positive UA-cam comments as any kind of metric that suggests he's doing the right thing.
By that logic, based on the thousands of positive comments on my latest video, I am also doing everything right. All hail King NJB, true saviour of cities.
Anybody who disagrees clearly hasn't watched my video all the way through.
Actually he previously mentioned that in his 100 000+ encounters with fans he has never had a negative encounter.
Also, I’m pretty sure that if most of your comments were negative it would be indicative of some flaw in your videos? How how does having an overwhelmingly positive response both in real life as well as in UA-cam comments not demonstrate adequacy? Do you think haters stay away from his videos? They definitely don’t, they’re everywhere. I mean look at this video. And even at that, the comments are positive.
@@AE0N777 Wow his fans like him? Who would have thought
@@jacobs2099 the point is that virtually nobody goes out of their way, randomly in the street for example and be nasty to him in person. Yet people who spot him in private almost always have something positive to say. It tells you which view of him is more prevalent.
Same logic applies to Vaush's videos
"Don't forget the evil and corruption that exists in your own heart"
Rosa Luxemburg: "Self-criticism, cruel and unsparing self-criticism that goes to the very root of the evil, is life and breath for the proletarian movement"
Yeah but you’re expecting Jordan Peterson to read anything except the Wikipedia article for the communist manifesto
@@Kaanfight *Conservapedia.
self criticism is just a survival of the irrational religious self flagellation used to control people
@@bun197 Yup. That's one of the reasons I am neither a Christian conservative nor a leftist. Both doctrines rely heavily upon moral absolutism and self-hatred, setting a standard that no one can actually reach (unless you are lucky enough to be born at the intersection of all the "unprivileged", that is, holy categories). All the rest of us must seek absolution for the sin of our very existence. It's basically religious fundamentalism in a political guide.
@@spaceanarchist1107 i was saying that ironically trying to bait people by being a typical midwit fedora and people actually agreed with me lmfao
It's hilarious when these types try to tell me how "sad" my life must be, but I'm actually very lucky in that I have essentially no mental health issues, and the only things that actually make me sad are extreme, such as the deaths of family members. I'll never understand why they perceive caring about the environment around you and the people in it as saddening.
It's all projection with the right. As soon as we learn this, they more they are just comical to us.
Honestly the only mental health problems I do have came from conservative thoughts I had a couple of years ago so I'm glad I got out of that stuff
@@z4ruga479 Really glad you got out of that man, congrats. Just wondered what those previous conservative thoughts were if you're okay mentioning them? (no worries if not)
@@LDillon well i realized very early on that im non binary. But my conservative friends/family kind of pushed me into the direction of "boys should behave like boys" so i was never brave enough to actually be who i am. Ever since ive realized that i can do whatever i want its gotten a lot better
@@z4ruga479 That's awesome, takes a lot of strength to do that! Thanks for sharing :D
Jordan Peterson talks like how you did when you were like 13 and you were finally old enough to know the definitions for loads of fancy words but you didn't really know how to use them in a sentence but you used them anyway cause you thought you diy fed really adult and cool
Exactly. It’s better to use simple words but get an actual point across
I completely disagree. I think he has complex ideas and thoughts to explain that are quasi religious and quasi psychological and I get what he is talking about because I probably have similar intuitions and feelings. He obviously talks about a lot of things so I just focused on one bit here.
@@lmn6440 using big words doesn't make your ideas any smarter it just makes them harder to understand making people THINK that the ideas are more complicated than they really are. If you can understand all the bullshit words he uses you'll realise his ideas aren't special at all people just think they can't understand him because he's just that much smarter when really he just confuses people. If you can't get your point across in a way that people can understand then you're not smart and people shouldn't listen to you
@@yeehaw4135 I dont think Jordan Peterson does this though. Actually there's a debate between him and a guy called Michael Dyson, where his opponent does exactly what you said (use big words without saying anything) and Jordan Peterson make clear arguments.
Getting Peterson to outright say something rather than dance around it and gesture to it is like trying to nail a piece of jello to a wall. He is incapable of it because then he would need to defend something beyond vague feelings.
This is hilarious. I actually choked.
I'm pretty sure I could nail that jello up. You'd never get Jordy to get to the goddamn point
He's too afraid to go mask off and just say he wants a white ethno-state. All he can do is cry about "muh western civilization"
Worst is, it doesn't look like Peterson has learned anything after all this time. After all the public debates & discourse he still makes the same arguments, still uses the same rhetoric, still can't point to & name a so-called "cultural marxist".
Dude doesn't want honest debate or discussion. He'd rather shift goalposts or retreat to more vague positions. Because an honest discussion means that he might have to openly admit, interrogate and possibly even change his own internal beliefs and world-views. His own heart of hearts if you will.
@Dread StarZ lmao are you actually serious?
JP is just a stream of random BS. And the foolish think wow, I cant understand him so he must be super smart. Makes me laugh. No, you cant make sense of him because he makes no sense.
"It's not the only truth, but it's true."
How very post-modern of you, Jameson Peddleston.
Take a look at the things Peterson tries to get people to not pay attention to: anthropology, sociology, postmodernism
They're things where understanding of them would reveal his BS, be they fields of study that hold the answers that undermine everything he says or postmodernism which, if people looked into it, they would realize he's doing postmodernism badly.
It's soft information control, which for those familiar with the BITE model, helps explain some of why his fanbase is so cult-like.
@@dynamicworlds1 don't forget that he does the same thing to his own field of psychology. He keeps talking about how the field is corrupted while you are also supposed to listed to him because of his position and education in the exact same field.
goteem
How is that post modern?
@@Scouter5050 Truth is true and all that pretentious shit
“The people who were single moms, and then went to college” did they stop being single moms after that Ben?!?
14:32-- excellent point! A lot of people really mean "shut up" when they tell you to work on yourself. And I bet Peterson only believes you've worked on yourself enough, when you agree with him...
Eh, you can work hard in your job or community and excel and STILL be a wreck at home/personal life. Happens. It’s almost an escape at times.
Damn, you nailed it by pointing out that these people always claim how the world is doing better than ever and yet complaining that society is falling apart. On point.
Because both can happen at the same time. The world is doing better materially, but it seems do be doing worse mentally.
For example:
Starvation is going down.
Suicide is going up.
@@Ebb0Productions So then the world is NOT doing better than ever and neither is it falling apart
@@Ebb0Productions you know your a Peterson fan when you can claim suicide rates are going up..
@@Ebb0Productions Yeah but JP also said "by every objective measure"... pretty sure that includes both suicides and starvation
@@marekb1556 He only stated, that the world is better from a materialstic point of view (food, housing, medicine...) and not psychological.
JP reminds me of the quote "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"
Deception beats persuasion
The GOOD DOCTOR Jordan B Peterson has been a very different kind of person since he was a very WELL BEHAVED man. He said he would never really have a chance of being able to do anything that you would never do.
-Walter 🇺🇸
If you're baffled, that says more about you than him. What he says/beleives is quite clear.
@@furrycannon If you think JP speaks "clearly" then I'm afraid there is something wrong with your brain.
@@orphaotheseeker2770 If you cant understand english, theres probably somthing wrong with yours.
"All my comment sections are thoughtful and positive"
So glad he's made himself a *safe space* in the online right
He didnt make the comments be thoughtful and positive, that happends naturaly. If what he was saying did not apeal to people the comment section would not be so comforting. Are you stupid or what? And this obsession with associating him with the right when most of what he is saying is not said in a political manner is just retarded, for real
@@swecraft2000 Ah yes, I can feel the thoughtfulness and positivity oozing out from you! xD
He hasn't and he wouldn't. He's more than happy to be challenged, unlike vaush. Vaush likes to pretend the person he's speaking to is a racist, sexist, fascist etc (read poopoo head) because he's baisicly a child in a playground throwing insults around, ignoring any arguements made.
Little Peterson loves being called daddy by his fanboys in his safe space. How convenient and privileged. Lol.
I have a tremendous amount of regret, when it comes to Jordan Peterson. A few years back, I found him, I think through Joe Rogan, and I valued his point of view, not as someone who agreed with him, but as a way to hear from the other side that didn't seem so disingenuous or fear mongering. I recommended his videos to my father, who was already right leaning, as a sort of compromise to get him to watch other left-leaning commentators I also watched. Well, he took pretty strongly to Peterson, and now he quotes him all the time.
After consuming more of his content, or after his steps toward becoming more heavily entrenched in the Conservative pundit grift (I can't tell which I noticed first), I started to really wish I hadn't introduced my father to him. It became clear he wasn't so invested in impartiality so much as he was in creating the illusion of it.
Dad was diagnosed with cancer in 2017, and had seemingly beat it by 2018. Well, it resurfaced recently, and on Father's Day, he actually said to me "Y'know, I can't help but think this all came back a month after I got my vaccinations," and I admittedly didn't take that little philosophy well, and said he can't start thinking like that; that cancers take a much longer time to develop than a month, and he hit me back with "But they rushed those vaccines!"
I told him he can't believe everything he sees on Fox News, and he was like "I don't watch the news anymore! It only makes me mad! I don't even care who's president!"
Then I realized the source he relies most heavily on these days, other than the Bible, is Peterson. He has read all of his books, and voraciously consumes online his content.
Peterson has been instilling doubt in the medical profession for a while now, blaming them for his health woes. It's like blaming a building inspector for the crack in the foundation, but there's nothing I can say to convince Dad, it seems. He's in too deep. I used to think he was so smart and analytical.
I hate Peterson for this.
You regret the message: "Pull your weight, so then the world is a less shitty place?" Paraphrasing. But that is Jordan's core ideology. Wow... No wonder the world is going to shit. So many people just don't want to do their work. WORK is hard and painful. If legit, every person ever did their due diligence the world would be so much better for everyone. But no... It's Fascist this, Biggot that, Sexist, Racist, Misogynist.
Gotta blame someone else. Got to villainize anyone who tells you it is actually your fault and that you need to have resposiblity and agancy because perish the thought you actually fucking matter. Cause nothing you affects anyone else. Nope, you are free to be as happy as you'd like without having to put any work in. Damn boss at work. Damn co-workers. Damn men. Damn women.
I hate how fucking narssisitic and cynical the world has become.
@@TheLoneBit How the hell is that what you got from their comment about their dying father?
Peterson isn't telling your father not to trust vaccines. I challenge you to find one instance of him talking bad about vaccines
@@allbonksnobrakes9677 You challenge me to find him saying something bad about vaccines? No thanks. Him saying hospitals and doctors are making people more sick is quite enough. My father's already refused further treatment being offered to him. As you can imagine, I've got a lot on my plate. Researching Peterson's mountain of content to prove some rando on the internet wrong is a very bad use of my time.
@@Erinski Wishing you and your father the very best friend! Very difficult dealing with older relatives so deeply rooted in deeply problematic and twisted beliefs and moral values especially in a time such as this and with things such as medical field distrust, have experienced very middling examples of this in my own life as compared to your own situation, but at whatever level I understand the pain and frustration it can cause and I send love and hope you and your loved ones way.✌💙
His entire philosphy is one big appeal to nature plus a ton of words
Nobody has ever said so little, with so much.
Inb4 "you don't get it, are you familiar with all his books and lectures and..."
They all sound the same
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That's not entirely true. Sometimes he forgets to even pretend to justify it.
@@adamxyz4993 lol leftist ideology is the interference with nature. The extreme interference with nature is unpredictable which makes it more terrifying and frightening in practice because it operates on manufacturing new ideas; it’s artificial. Meanwhile Hitler conducted nature (natural law; social Darwinism) through extremist forms which makes it less terrifying because you know what to expect; it’s predictable. It’s conscious while the left is unconscious.
Jordan Peterson always sounds like he’s building up to his point and he’ll soon say something that ties everything together and makes his rant make sense but then suddenly he’s done talking and you’re left having no idea what he just said.
Now in 2022 he will then pause a minute (getting his crying act together), and then just start sobbing himself out of any context that was still reconizable. Clever move.🤔
I see so many praise Jordan Peterson as the smartest guy ever, it's so refreshing seeing this
only conservatives and sad white boys that struggle under the patriarchy, while simultanieusly denying it. no shame though, i grew out of JPs ideologie once i started reading more academicly acclaimed philosophers. everyone left of center ridicules him and sees through his empty conspiratorial self help demagogery.
He is not, he is just extremely confident & never questions himself. That actually makes him kind of crazy.
@@aaronduerst
That's because they are leftist..
@@obeb787 he is what a dumb person thinks a smart person sounds like
@@nickfletcher506 yeah, exactly. Academia is overwhelmingly left-leaning.
Benny Boy and JBP really are stuck spinning their wheels in the mud at this point. How many more times do we have to hear them say "radical left"?
Everytime Ben and Jordan are in the same video it always feels like a kid making sure grandpa doesn't walk into traffic 😬😬
It always feels like Ben about to walk into traffic tho tbh
@@UA-cam_is_Trash It's due to the feedback loop...
Happens a lot when Right Wing "debate" other Right Wing.
Happens also with "the left"...
@@LeSyd1984 true, but what's truly impressive about Ben is that he seems to get lost in his own feedback loop.
Who is who though?
Ben only talk fast but he is less consistant than jordan.
Guys, I was a homeless, drug addicted, veteran, highschool drop out, with 19 kids from 20 baby mamas, but through hard work and cleaning my room I was able to become Bill Gates.
lol if this were a real account I’d bet more on turning out as Mike Lindell, a conspiracy-peddling pillow salesman
19 kids and 20 baby mama? Talent
Pfftt. You could have at least cured a few diseases and solved world-hunger.
Youre not smart enough to clean your room
@@DudleyBurleson-eu6zq Will you clean it for him while your mom cleans yours?
Jordan Peterson, a man who cares not when actual Nazis quote him but gets his panties in a twist when a fictional Nazi quotes him. What a legend.
I never knew how wrong conservatives were about almost everything.
Hahaha keep listening to Vaush.
Like that laptop of Hunters? And those Russian bounties on our troops? How about that gassing the protesters to have a photo opp at the church? And those crazy conspiracy theorist nutcases that said the virus could have been a lab leak?
@@DudleyBurleson-eu6zq A lot of his viewers are like 16 - 18 years old, or college students in their 20s who took a sociology class and think they know how the world works.
@@DudleyBurleson-eu6zq lol what about the laptop? At least Hunter Biden isn't employed in the white house like Ivanka, Jared Kushner, and Bill Barr's son were. The bounty story was false and all leftist news sources have addressed that fact. Protesters were absolutely tear gassed so Trump could hold a bible upside down. That happened. No one said that a lab leak was just impossible, but that the virus did not appear to be human modified through gain of function research. That makes the conservative idea that it was a deliberate bio weapons attack (which makes no sense anyway since it was released on its own country first) by China. There's no conclusive evidence that it was a lab leak or that it came from a natural environment so that's not even an argument.
@@DudleyBurleson-eu6zq triggered AND wrong. beautiful combination sir.
I was getting bored scrolling through youtube's home, and suddenly my homie releases a 1 hour video in Jordan Peterson. I love you
and ben shapeepoop
@@SRartz25 ben shabinoooo
@@xXluluchanelXx ben wapiro
@@thehand7902 She Banpiro
Some of you Vaush fan boys are even cringier than Ben jewy shapiro lmao. 🤣😅
If you look closely... Shabibo's Soul briefly leaves his body while listening to Peterson talk his way through a low grade acid trip.
I refuse to look at Shabibo long enough to notice this...it's like he's staring into my soul..
yeah, I'm a huge proponent of self-improvement since I went through Therapy. You know who is extremely against Therapy and self-improvement in my experience?
Every conservative I know. They think it's weird. It's a product of very close groups that you don't need people to improve you need you, and if you can't reach within to improve you, you must be the problem.
To quote an extremely conservative person I know: "You have problems, you should go to church and bottle that shit up"
Like... On the most basic level this is why I find JBP and Shapiro's warrbling here, to be so disingenuous.
Don't forget Ben Shapiro is "deeply religious"....that alone is feelings over facts.
@Karis Simpson please call the brain donation hotline immediately you need to be studied, here’s my card
explain the big bang again for me, oh right that theory doesn't hold up after the 2012 discovery of jacob barnett which he received a nobel prize for in 2018.
so your science is only 11 years behind the curve darwin's monkey
“But Jordan Peterson is good at talking.” Just cause someone has a phd in public speaking doesn’t make what they say true,”looking at the dems and republicans.”
And shapiro is so high off his own farts that he thinks being a youtube news dweeb means he has to draw paintings about irrationalism and romanticism with his own poo poo now. just do the news youtube news dweeb.
HIs PhD is in Psychology. He is a used fairytales salesman
I’d argue he isn’t even that good at talking, if we take “good talking” to be clear and precise communication
He rambles A LOT while being super vague. I like efficient communicators, like Vaush, or Steven Kenneth “Destiny” Bonnell II
@@rickyjohnson7212 He is also a cryptofascist. My favourite youtubers are Contrapoints, Lindsey Ellis and HBomberguy, they are entertaining, witty and informative.
It's weird to completely divorce social evils from "the evil inside oneself". To actively do good in the world is part of becoming a better person. You can't hide in your room for years saying "well, I can't help yet, I'm not cultivated enough, my life isn't together yet," that would be ridiculous. You go out and help and let others help you - and you improve yourself and the world all at once and that's how it works. ffs.
so true. and to tack on to that, many of the virtues that one aspires to in order to improve themselves (kindness, fairness, generosity, honesty, integrity, confidence, to name a few) can only be realized in the context of social relationships with other people. also promoting virtuous behavior in others is itself a virtue
@@sethroy4318 that was such an elegant way to frame it, thank you!
You're unlikely to actually do good in the world of you aren't even capable of identifying the evil in yourself, and addressing it.
Just because you don't have to be perfect in order to help others doesn't mean that it does you good to look towards yourself before you assume you can change the whole world.
I disagree, working on yourself puts you in a better position to help others, so that should be your priority.
You only have so much energy, if your life is a mess then your personal problems will drain most of your time, energy and attention, making it harder to support others. That’s why I think it is better to devote your energy to focusing on fixing your personal problems.
JP fan: "I actually like how he has an empty head, it shows he's human! I'm going to donate money to him"
Yeah, incels are loaded.
I bet you donated to Trump too.
@@janglandis773 I was mocking Peterson fans, I wouldn't donate a cent to him or Trump.
Oh good. I wasn't sure because I've read so many ridiculous statements from JP's fanboys.
@@janglandis773 No problem haha
What annoys me the most about JP fans is the response "You didn't understand him" or "haven't read enough of his work". It shows an unfathomable degree of uneducated arrogance.
I'm finishing my bachelors degree soon, I'm a former JP fan and am WELL aware of what he says, and own one of his books. I've studied philosophy, politics and art history. It's VERY evident, even from introductory level philosophy, logic and politics that JP is either clueless or a liar, and his wordview is incoherent and fascistic. His opinions on these things are pure illiterate idiocy, and 0 academics even take him seriously because his takes are so damn bad.
JP thrives on two things. 1. He relies on an uneducated audience (on the topics he speeks on). People who have no clue what the naturalistic fallacy is, what marxism is, postmodernism is, what fascism is, how capitalism happened, who Hobbes or Umberto Eco is - people who don't know history or how to be critical of rhetoric.
2. He rarely makes normative claims. He makes a few carefully selected, and often misrepresented or wrong, descriptive claims that heavily imply a conclusion. He rarely says the conclusion himself, but every listener will draw it by implication. When someone asks him "so you are saying (conclusion)?", he can be all offended and say that is not what he meant.
I know what Petersons message is. His message is that there is a great threat to western society, that can only be remedied by individuals ordering their own lives responsibily, and speak out against the threat, and remove the threat from power and influence in society. The threat, according to him, is the ideology of "post-modern neo-marxists" - a group of intellectuals who promote relativism, challanges traditional modes of life and wants to restructure society and destroy all (meritocratic and natural) hierarchies. ALL his claims point to this thesis. The lobster hierarchies, the (misrepresented) nietzchean opposition and distrust of virtually all things progressive, his love for religion, his fear of communism, his sympathetic analysis of nazi-germany, his takes on women and men. All of it paints his central thesis above. This is his worldview. He wants an orderly, traditional, christian, meritocratic capitalist society, where progressive voices are muted and only considered if they don't disturb the order. He's devoting himself to fighting progressivism. He fights and despised activists for climate, gay, trans, animal, black rights, calling them moralistic narcissists. He recently called trans people monstrosities, and makes unfounded claims about their outcomes that contradicts all avaliable science on them.
The dude is a textbook example of fascism. Simple as that. He fits the description perfectly. He is terrified of a non-existent bogeyman, because the bogeyman will challange the fragile order he has built his frail identity on. He is bitter, scared and deeply irrational.
Fascists want to restore or retain a traditional order in their respective society, which they justify by a mix of appeals to nature and mythical/religious prescription. Their main grievance is marxism and progressivism, which they think pervert and degrade societal order. They advocate for the removal of progressive intellectuals from positions of power and influence in society, that gay and trans people shouldn't be visibaly present in society. They obsess over the idea that every individual, through heroic willingness to fight, and traditional conformity, can be heroes, they obsess over masculinity, dicipline, ability for violence and domination (used correctly), and their movement is lead by a few charismatic, populistic personalities who "speaks common sense and says it like it is" for the disaffected people in society. This is JP to a t.
And this always leads to 1 conclusion. If the fascists percieve the threat from the "degenerate" progressives to be large enough, they are willing to "remove" the threat in lets say, violent ways.
This is the most concise criticism of him I’ve seen yet. You ever consider doing commentary videos?
I've never seen a defense of Dr. Peterson involving those two statements ("You didn't understand him" and " haven't read enough of his work") that also didn't include additional articulation of why his "critics" either doesn't understand him or has deliberately misrepresented him.
Also, how do you precisely define "fascist"?
Ben is insane. He basically just said "because we're not religious enough anymore, people are overly scientific and irrational."
The fuck? I've never heard so many conflicting ideas in one statement.
Where?
@@moover123 5:10-5:55
He's not wrong. Instead of being irrational about religion they're irrational about science where they overly trust the experts instead of changing and questioning the experts
@@chinabad1734 yeah that still sounds lile nonsense. People stopped believing in religion so now they put their faith in science!
@@chinabad1734 the problem is that you're generally not gonna be able to get a accurate interpretation of research in topics like medicine or physics without being highly educated in it (like having a master's degree+). So we have to rely on expert to a certain degree.
Instead of promoting a distrust of experts and think it would be a much better idea to teach people how to find legitimate sources of information. You see a lot of people following some random doctor on UA-cam who claims to be an expert on some random topic. Now this is a good example of following the experts in a bad way. In this case you're not getting the consensus of the scientific community but rather some random doctors perspective of that consensus. Which could easily be biased.
Frankly part of the problem is that most people are just hopeless bad at academics
2 religious people complaining about how everyone else romanticize things too much...
@@dustinhudson3786 Not really because he tends to be rather unclear... But why does it matter which conceptualization of religion he has when my comment was simply that he is also religious?
Jordan Peterson talks like he wrote Harry Potter and the methods of rationality
every time Ben says "Rational" or "Rationalism" take a drink
i died
expert mode: every time Ben says "let's say"
No thank you, I don't want to have to be on dialysis for the rest of my life...
i genuinely feel dumb when listening to jordan peterson because the way he talks is so convoluted, but then i realize he's literally just saying nothing with like 200 words
The Kermit the frog voice and frail look (while ironically spouting off about masculinity) doesn't help either
Same. I’m also too ADD to stay focused on his monologue responses.
he speaks like he needs to fill the word count on an essay that's too short cause he procrastinated doing it for months
@@oliviacole7427 lol underrated comment. 😂😂😂 He also speaks like a self-help coach that watched a few nazi conspiracy videos about Marxism on UA-cam who attempts to sound like what a regular Joe thinks an academic sounds like... Then again that's kind of what he is... 🤔
As a philosophy BA it's super frustrating because he's not actually making arguments for almost anything. Most of his points are convoluted ways of saying "it's complicated" while trying to sound insightful but ultimately saying nothing. And his political claims are pure conspiracy pandering.
The biggest red flag is every time I've asked any of his fans about something he's saying or any of the neologisms he's made up like "metaphysical substrate" they say to listen to his lectures because it's too hard for them to explain (they don't admit they don't understand his word salad). Thoughts are subjective but English isn't and presumably he transmitted his thoughts to them in English...
The debates with Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty were pretty exposing too. He's trying to grift to both atheists and Christians since he won't commit to a real position except the right wing culture "theory" that "the West" is only great because Christianity.
I think the most revealing and interesting take on Jordan Peterson was Big Joel's video "The Wasteland of Jordan Peterson" (or something similar) about the idea that Peterson wants to be a modern T.S. Elliot. He is against the idea of most people participating in politics or attempting to change anything, unless they are very successful in several ways. This means, of course, that Peterson is fundamentally anti-democracy. He defends hierarchies because he thinks there should be a hierarchy to who gets to call for change.
Nailed that
I have found that the people who are in charge of our “democracy”, are generally inept. I think the people with drive and good ideas should be in charge of society. So what’s your problem with meritocracy?
@@Tetarkall Meritocracy is great in certain contexts, but a fundamental principle of our society is that everyone has a stake in the government. That government should rule by the consent of the governed. It's a principle about freedom and civil rights and the basic value of every human. As a consequence, we can't have a level of meritocracy where the most competent become god-kings with absolute power. That would violate our principles of freedom and human rights. There's also the issue of how to define "merit" and who makes that decision. So we solve all of these problems at once by giving every citizen a stake in the government and a piece of that decision about who is most worthy of power. That's democracy. So my question to you is: what's your problem with freedom and civil rights? What's your problem with government being of, by, and for the people?
@@randyohm3445 democracy does not equal freedom
@@joshlopez9056 No, of course it doesn't. It's just our current best way to get as much freedom to as many people as we can. The hope is that people will vote for things that benefit them, and the ability to take part in your own governance is a form of freedom. Generally, people who are anti-democracy are also anti-freedom, which should tell you something. Are YOU against democracy?
Benjorius Shapirium trying really hard to make himself look like he's listening but you can tell he's not really paying attention and just letting Peterson go off lol
Jordan Peterson's way of speaking is like when you're trying to reach the word count on a paper so you fill it up with synonyms and adjectives and stuff to fluff it up making it sound way more smart than it actually is.
Not to those of us who can understand what he is saying.
@@chrisbfreelance In no way does their comment imply not understanding what he’s saying. Everyone gets his points, they’re the same few, pontificated upon at length. Joselyn Leo already said this in one sentence but it seems you missed it. Actually, Peterson might be better paced for you.
@@chrisbfreelance Ok cultist
@@chrisbfreelance I have watched the following youtube videos. JP's fanboys would be well to view them as well. They are scholarly critiques by people whose communications skills and common.sense are far superior to Jordan Peterson's. The following is not a complete list. If you require more, I can provide more:
Jordan Peterson Fans... Is This Your Guy? Really?
Gabor Maté on Jordan Peterson
Address the Heavy Hitters - Debunked (Jordan Peterson Refuted) - UA-cam
Jordan Peterson is NOT a Christian - UA-cam
Jordan Peterson's Archetypes Debunked
Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked (Jordan Peterson's Religion Refuted)
A Critique of Jordan Peterson -- by Daniel Mackler
Jordan Peterson and Matt Dillahunty discuss God and Morality.
A Christian Critique of Jordan Peterson
Peterson is Bread | Review/commentary of "Rise of Jordan Peterson" by a cognitive psychologist
Theology Expert EXPOSES Jordan Peterson’s Embarrassing Ignorance About The Bible
@@chrisbfreelance
We understand what he’s saying, but there’s a thing called being concise, which is really ironic since Peterson says that exact thing in one of his books.
You’ve fallen for the trap of verbosity equating intelligence.
“I have read all of Marx’s work, all of your work and you”
-Zizek, sending Jordan Peterson into an existential crisis that led to him going to rehab
Is that "debate" worth watching? I've only seen clips but I'm worried watching the whole thing might cause me undue lobster-induced brain damage lol
@@handarule Half of the debate was really insightful and interesting, and the other half Jordan Peterson was talking.
@@Thutil LMAO yeah not sure I can make it through that half
Something about Zizek's speech pattern and accent makes him genuinely difficult to understand for me so i doubt i'd get any information from the two of them
Kind of funny how you most likely are in the interest of social and individual welfare (since you watch people like Vaush) yet you prescribe to a misattribution of one's mental health circumstance and then mock it due to being flexed on by someone else. Oh, the hypocrisy.
Jordan Peterson's the literal embodiment of saying so much yet saying absolutely nothing at the same time.
It does enable a lot of lost young people who are angry at the world to relate to what he's saying as they basically can interpret whatever they want into it. He's a grifter.
My theory is that he started out being deliberately obfuscacious to hide his incompetence. Then his brain turned to soup and he became the verbal diarrhoea mask.
@@SA-mo3hq That's sound
@@SA-mo3hq I think the actual reason is that when he is deliberately vague, he never has to really defend his opinions. He can just fall back to "that´s not what I said" or "why are you interpreting this the worst possible way"?
This is all the right pundits do.
JP is radically disingenuous about every single philosopher he dislikes. I'm convinced it is on purpose.
I just want to point out, when Peterson and people on the right talk about "personal responsibility", it's ONLY the solution for OTHER people. Peterson and Shapiro feel just fine blaming their own person dissatisfactions and discomforts on "the radical left".
what a dumb and gay thing to say
Him unironically using his UA-cam comments to back up his points is supa cringe
HE'S STILL GOING
I can't tell if this is talking about vaush or jp
@@felicityc JP
People are already working on themselves all the time. Jordan Peterson really is just telling people to shut up. It's just another braindead version of "if you aren't a chef, you can't criticize this soup with dog turds floating in it"
Perhaps for you but its really not for lots of people. Lots of people are lazy as fuck and uninspired but JP changed that for them.
@@lmn6440 thats not the problem, the problem is that Jordan continues to use this line to shut down important conversations, like free health care, and increasing the minimum wage, etc. whenever someone argues for these things, Jordan uses this line to shut it down.
@@i.p.7687 perhaps from your perspective it looks like that but for people who lean more right, it comes across as common sense and virtuousness
@@lmn6440 The problem is that the people who lean more right are wrong. And that's a stupid position for Peterson and his followers to take, not to mention how mean-spirited it is. Peterson loves wagging his finger at all of us for 'toxic' behavior, and yet almost everything out of his mouth is a passive-aggressive insult against anyone who would dare question his incoherent worldview. Well, that seems pretty toxic to me. Honestly, fuck that guy.
@Sky Gardener i dont see it as an argument for or against the status quo, I see it as an argument between opposing ideologies, values and principles. The virtue for people who lean right is that independence and self sufficiency, not in my case liking the status quo.
I get your frustration with Peterson, if you tend to value compassion and equality more, those are also good values, probably we just need a healthy balance.
I know this is just a small detail but it strikes me odd that Shapiro would talk about how great the system is and how playing by the rules and working hard in that system can lead to success for anyone, when he did not participate in living and working in the system that most people experience and are expressing grievance with. How can anyone take someone so detached from normal life seriously about common issues?
autism, no joke autist have trouble with reasoning that contradict their own experiences this is why a yewish autist who had a easy life will never understand struggles of a 1 parent household that lives in or around poverty.
I remember awhile ago, someone was interviewing Doc Lobsterson and asked him point blank if he believed in Jesus Christ and the resurrection and all that, and he couldn't even give a straightforward answer. It was just all mealy mouthed weasel worded nonsense. For someone who likes to talk as much as he does, he really doesn't say much of anything. I have a feeling he does this on purpose, so he can use the "well I never said that, he's misrepresenting me, taking me out of context, he didn't understand what I was really trying to say" -- Why his own supporters don't wise up to this grift, is beyond me.
well said!
Used to be a conservative, watched a good bit of "the other side". As I've grown older my ego has been more tolerable to other ideas and now I'm here watching Vaush, not agreeing with everything, but perhaps not being so immalleable.
Hey feel sorry for you man, I’m sure you’ll gain that competence back sometime 👍
At least for Jordan Peterson, even liberals initially fell for him because he's pretty charismatic when he's not whining.
@@unholymemes988 Having Competence, is to not be conservative.
@@stevonwhite8933 having competence is to not insult an entire people 😂
@@unholymemes988 I’m sorry that conservatism has never helped the minorities of populations, or people who weren’t straight, or simply just women, but they HAVE NOT.
Take that up with conservatism, not my fault it’s full of bigots. Doesn’t make you one, that’s just where the bigots have laid claim.
My neighbor overdosed and died last night. I really can't listen to Jordan's mouth at the moment but will watch later.
Hope your doing alright, man.
@@SuperPal-tr3go Yeah. I'm good. I live in SW Ohio and and it's uh... Seen the worst of the opioid crisis. It was certainly better than what happened LAST May.
Last May on Memorial day a guy with substance abuse (And a lot of mental health) issues went over to his grandma's apartment to ask for money. She tried to turn him away so he beat her to death. Just left her there dead and took the money to get his H. That happened to my neighbor in the other building.
i heard from a guy on discord that his mom od on something late at night i feel for those suffering from this crisis
You've probably heard this a ton but I'm sorry man, I hope you're doing alright. Take care of yourself ❤
"Dr. Peterson, what's your favorite color?"
"It's complicated, bucko! I mean, what even is a color? I will say that generally wavelengths between 430 and 500 nanometers provide the most pleasant stimuli"
"So...blue?"
"That's not what I meant"
J.P is what happens when you keep answering any and all questions you're ever asked with complete confidence, as if you were an expert in the subject.
The worst injustice imaginable to a conservative is being told that you are doing something wrong. JBP is outraged at the comparison to Red Skull but he skips over “hmm is this a valid criticism or not?” and jumps to “HOW DARE YOU?”
Bingo. Conservatives WORSHIP the appearance of confidence above all, so the honest admission that they might be wrong is anathema to them. They can do it in a "sure-i-might-be-wrong-but-not-really" rhetorical trick kind of way but ACTUALLY asking themselves if they could be wrong? Never.
Definitely not outraged he embraced
Red Skull 😂
He made shirts making fun of the red skull comparison.
He’s been making fun of it for weeks. I don’t think he is upset about it. Maybe disappointed in the people who made the comparison.
@@eden12340 I’m not mad bro I’m laughing!
Sure thing buddy.
As a philosophy student, this is mental-self torture. Yes, I have bad habits, thanks.
It's so nice to have someone actually wade through JP's garbled nonsense and disprove it. Many people clearly need someone to do that, and it sure as hell wasn't going to be me. As much JP debunking as you can stomach would be a public good, dear Vaush.
really sad that some people don’t understand how acrimonious Vaush is being throughout this whole video. Watch it again please
He is so difficult to listen to. It's so puzzling how people don't see through the bullshit immediately!?
Since you commented this, Some More News released a very short and easy-to-digest video doing basically exactly what you said. It's really good if you haven't watched it, and it's also very short, almost too short, you wouldn't think smn could make something that short
Jordan Petersons success is that he rambles on as if there a point he'll reach eventually very well. By very well I mean he can do it longer than most people attention span thus many people just assume it 'Deep Thoughts' he's talking about rather than pointless gibberish. The gibberish is successful in providing a void where people can fill and think their concern is being addressed.
I don't understand how Ben and Jordan got into high ranking schools and are famous. I've met professors that teach in smaller universities that didn't go to an Ivy league school but are far more articulate than they are while doing actual research along with teaching.
Money...connections
its called "privilege"
Ben and Jordan aren't interested in educating they're interested and fame and money. That is a difference
Ben was rich and when it comes to Jordan academically wise he is probably very smart. Remember good political opinions =/ IQ
@@spotsthenpc7796 just because someone is well educated doesn't automatically mean they're intelligent.
Also, listen to the other dipshitery coming out of this guy's mouth. It's classic word salad
It's incredible fun to stare at Ben's paused face while Vaush is giving a Lefty spiel and pretend it's coming from Ben's own mouth
x1.5 speed
@@echiko4932 And pitch corrected for 1.5 octaves higher.
It’s not ableist to make fun of him
1. We don’t claim him
2. He doesn’t claim us
3. He presents himself as an all knowing god (not a very godly way to act)
"It seems like they're just trying to make people shut up."
Not only this, they are trying to impugn anyone who raises a valid point about systemic problems.
It is an ad hominem, a deflection away from attention paid to systemic issues and to argue the arguer, instead of the argument.
Used to be called the "fundamental attribution error."
Okay please give me an example of systemic racism without using affirmative action
@@Dino2GunZ Redlining.
That was pretty easy.
@@stevonwhite8933 where is redlining still happening today last I heard it was illegal
@@stevonwhite8933 yes it is absolutely illegal so please again give me one example without using an out-of-date example of something that is actually systemically racist
@@Dino2GunZ.
Wells Fargo is being sued for modern day redlining practices.
Old national bank in Indiana, just reached a settlement for redlining practices last year.
It STILL happens, and the system often ignores many cases and examples.
Inb4 all the "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH HE'S HELPED ME, HOW DARE YOU NOT IGNORE WHEN HE'S CLEARLY SPEAKING OUT OF HIS DEPTH" comments.
I will say jordan helped me, but vaush picks him and Ben apart so well.
@@JayTheNegotiator I won't deny that. I'm just saying he's treated like a cult figure.
@@franklinbadge1215 agreed
yeaaaaa, im like brooo have you read nietze, camus, kant, hegel, etc...? like why do they have to use a self-help guru instead of actual intellectuals and philosophers
His life advice is practical and has helped me. He's a good clinical psychologist. It's when he steps out of his field of work. He has no business discussing politics.
Peterson: "I'm not conservative, but damned the radical left" lol
jordan peterson: master of the word saladbar
Peterson sounds like my friends and I during one of our "several" "trips", after a few philosophy and psychology classes as freshmen, or earlier.
JP uses this "make your own bed" advice to keep people from scrutinizing the SYSTEM.
A SYSTEM which is actively suppressing your ability to "make your own bed"
Lol really? How did someone homeless a year ago like me go to now owning a home?
@@jasonlopez2697 I don't know . How did you save 40k in a year . I'm interested . I mean I'm a carpenter so I earn more than 70% of people . I couldn't do it . So yea how did you outperform 80% of people ? I'm interested.
@@jasonlopez2697 Yes, really.
Is there good advice in JP's statements....yeah.
Is there also a hint of, "Stop worrying about the society and community that you're in.....just focus on yourself and forget about the authoritarian regimes that are slowly trying to twist a thriving country into a fascistic oligarchy hellbent for Monarchic Feudalism!"
This is the danger of what 'liberals' like BS and JP are slinging.
Hey, congrats on getting your shit together!!
Now, we can turn to helping others!!
@@jasonlopez2697 I'm not in a great position to say this, i've never been particularly poor, but i have been a victim, and i have a special kind of resentment for people who've suffered, and don't care about preventing others from suffering as they have. If I didn't make that promise to myself, i'd probably grow up to be another wife-beater after my old man.
@@jasonlopez2697 So you are one person. There are literally thousands of people homeless right now, for varied of reasons. Explain that.
Jordan Peterson just LOVES the sound of his own voice. He just goes on and on with the word salad coming out of his mouth. Like you said, he uses a million words to convey a simple concept. (And usually a simple concept that sucks)
True!!😂😂😂😂
it must sound better in his head
Or more than likely, no concept. The audience is left guessing, and if they're his fans, they feel smarter for having discovered the secret message.
Like, no.
Jordan Peterson is a stupid person's idea of a smart person.
isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, woke gen z kids never shut the fuck up
I honestly feel really bad for jp. He's like a dementia riddled grandpa trying to verbally communicate with a squirrel he found outside, it's just really sad to watch.
Feel worse for yourself. Imagine not being able to see through Vaush’s lying and caricaturing. Also probably look up what JP has/had, nothing has affected his brain. Maybe something has affected yours?
@@jarrah580 ratio
@@jarrah580 What did Vaush lie about? Also, if you think JP's rambling in this video is perfectly coherent and has no indications of cognitive decline, substance-induced or otherwise, you're likely so caught in a hole of sycophancy that you automatically receive everything he says as profound gospel without actually thinking about it. That's disappointingly mindless for a fan of a so-called 'intellectual'.
these two are such characters i can't believe this is actual free content i can't stop giggling
Technically not free content but I agree the entertainment/cost ratio is out of this world!
Turns out Jordan is a psychologist, not a philosopher. Who would've thought the guy who knows nothing about philosophy would know nothing about philosophy
Honestly I start to wonder if he actually knows dick-all about psychology, my degree is in math but I am forced to imagine you would have to learn a lot of things he doesn't seem to know just to defend a dissertation.
@@stevenpaul1476 He seemed to know stg yee back when he wrote maps of meaning since it comes of as pretty Jungian, although not like genious or anything... But I believe that following Bill C-16 + 12 rules for life he has become more of a... Yea, why not, propagandist than serious academic. If I remember, his OWN DEPARTMENT in Toronto was kinda "Meh" with him.
@@romanpikulik655 Maybe so but my actual point was that nobody at large CARED about Maps of Meaning, if they'd even heard of it. It wasn't until C16 that he was suddenly on every TV, which is what sold the books, not the other way around.
If anyone's interested in doing a deep dive on the subject, Cass Eris (a cognitive psychologist) and Hannah and Jake both rip his 12 rules for life book to shreds in their playlists on him.
If you're looking for something a bit punchier that gives an idea of the level of intellectual rigor he's operating on, looking up "jordan peterson dna double helix" or PZ Myers video "Jordan Peterson & the Lobster" should do the trick.
But yeah, his psych stuff wavers between middling and batshit insane.
@@stevenpaul1476 former philosophy student here, Peterson's takes about different figures and ideologies are the sort of things you're supposed to get out of your system at intro level then move on to actually interpreting the subject matter.
Philosophy has a lot of issues with interpretation that are front loaded, a lot of philosophy pushes language to the absolute limit, inventing new concepts and uses for words to work around those concepts.
Now imagine how poorly this type of language use translates into other languages, or cultures hundreds of years in the future. At the very minimum any analysis of any philosophy older than 50 years begins with acknowledging the barriers between you and what the author meant and explaining how you plan to work through those barriers.
Peterson doesn't even come close to doing any of this and it's the bare minimum. He just borrows words he likes for the ideology he's constantly trying to shill.
There’s nothing more postmodern than saying “it’s up to the centrists, on both sides”
obviously he’s saying moderate leftists and moderate rightists, how brain dead are Vaush fans?
@@jarrah580 obviously he said centrist on both sides. How much do Pederson fans have to translate their moronic cult leader so he doesn’t sound like an idiot?
I love the argument from Libertarians, they claim to be centrist... I am Tim Pool/Crowder/Ben Shapiro and I am a centrist/Libertarian, not a conservative. My political arguments just happen to mirror conservatives in every metric, just a happy accident.
I feel bad for the people who were legitimately helped by him, but didn't outgrow him and instead got roped into his insane politics.
The fact that many of them said they didn’t really had a father figure in their life is really sad. This why good father figure are needed
@Ligma Nuts
You fail to see how a psychotherapist could help people?
My friend claims to be helped by him. He went from being a heroine addict to being a giant dickhead real estate agent who only cares about money, hates women, thinks minorities are overly dramatic about American life, along with a bunch of other gross viewpoints he definitely picked up for Peterson, but hey he doesn’t do heroine anymore.
@@dalnim4294 Ben Carson used to be a brain surgeon. Would you trust him to fuck around with your brain now a days???
Generic self help shit can be helpful to people. Especially if it's delivered in a way they're receptive to at the time. He delivered it in a way that alienated young men without much going on were very receptive to.
Jordan Paterson always sounds like he’s about to cry when he’s talking
Because all conservatives are. Persecution complexes and fragility are the core tenents of the conservative worldview.
I always thought he sounded on the edge of a massive panic attack. Now I think he was for a long time. Sudden anxiety can happen if you are hooked on benzos and between a dose.
Archetypal neurotic. He needs to get slapped when he becomes hysterical.
@@bluepsiongamer4909 His panic attacks are all because of that damn holiday cider.
I think it's because he actually is on the verge of tears most of the time.
Saw people typing “Kermit” in the chat and now I can’t unhear it
Jp and Bs = the battle of the Kermits!
Vaush has an excellent explanation of Postmodernism! As a fan of Foucault and Derrida, it's so tiresome that public intellectuals get their arguments totally fucking backwards all the time.
The funniest thing involving Peterson I've ever seen was he was trending on Twitter and it turned out: out was a question for "What authors is a deal breaker?" or something along the lines.
I'm a guy and if I was on a date and the subject came up, if she said "I love Jordan Peterson." My response is a simple "this isn't going to work" and bail.
Or you could ask her why
@@oopsiepoopsie2898 Yeah. It might turn out that Jordan Peterson is a relative of hers and he's actually a really chill dude when he isn't performing for the cameras.
@@awesometwitchy 🤡
"I gotta go wash my hair..."
Feb of last year I was on a date with someone that kept trying to bring up politics. I resisted because I suspected her of being an oblivious moderate, and I wanted to give her a chance by getting to know her first. But she insisted, and I'm kind of glad she did, because I found out she was a Trump supporter that loved Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.
Went on one more date for a realistic prospect at intimacy, something I needed at the point in my life due to depression, but at the end of the evening, I just couldn't take her politics anymore. Even when intimacy was offered, I had to decline. I can't love someone I can't stand.
It's funny because engaging with Jordan Peterson comment sections has the opposite effect on me. Most people just praise him as "the leading intellectual of our time" and then when finally get someone to engage with one of JPs arguments it becomes clear they've never questioned what JP says, ever. It is disheartening to say the least.
Peterson doesn't attract fellow intellectuals, he attracts lost people who want a father figure to tell them what to do and how to think.
I just love how JP is able to talk about nothing for extended periods of time, like dude, just say what you want to say
just because you're not smart enough to keep up does not mean he's not saying anything.
14:13 this really needs to be talked-about more. Some Leftists made the mistake of rehab-shaming Peterson, when it was really about violating his own “don’t help the world until your personal-life is orderly” ethos
I have no idea how JBP manages to say so much yet so little. Its astounding
Can you give an example
@@firaxolegirein9816 this whole video
He leads people to a direction while he, himself, stays vague enough to not commit.
As a psycologist is that not his whole thing? You dont just tell someone they are doing something wrong in their life resulting in their unhappiness, you lead them through the thought process so they can come to that conclusion themselves which absolutely does require more words.
@@btf2842 yes, but Peterson's career isn't based on psychology. It's based on debating. It's the main reason why he's so famous, because he debates people and talks about politics just like Ben Shapiro or Crowder.
If I explain to a person why I think X is true, I'm not going to use vague words and phrases to help that person understand what my point is. I directly tell him what my point is
Jordan "The accidental postmodernist" Peterson. No, I'm serious, he is legitimately more of a postmodernist than any other prominent public figure today.
His verbal diarrhoea certainly an excellent arguement that anything he hates is probably good
Just listen to him redefine the definition of belief when asked about his belief in God.
@@steven5054 ,
And his definition of god, truth, atheist, etc.
Yeah, he's basically a postmodernist who looks at the fact that all our understanding of reality is mediated through narration and decides "therefore the narration of the dominant classes must be the best one and oppression and hierarchy are good because they make me feel all tingly inside".
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 he’s exactly what he claims postmodernists are lol
thats why I think its so important to have Vaush speaking about masculinity as well, the whole discourse about that should not be dominated by the right
I wish more people on the Left would talk about that topic though
@Dr Harold Shipman so much for the free speech advocacy of the right.
Freedom will win in the end. And the Left will bring it to reign.
@Dr Harold Shipman yeah, because we're hygenic. Being clean is good for you.
"Well you can't want to help trans people AND clean your room at the SAME TIME!!!"
Im all for encouraging self improvement, my issues with that idea is that for a lot of people "self improvement" means telling people "stop doing this thing i personally don't like." Completely disregarding your personal enjoyment of that thing and/or its lack of any harm to others.
I think the idea of "selfimprovement" is toxic. It implies that you as a human are badically insufficient unless you do x or y.
I think it is a more healthy approach thinking in "developing skills", "developing helpful routines" etc.
Overall a mindset, that is accepting of who you are, and not asks how you get "better" but what skills or helps do you need to live the life you want to live.
@@hannajung7512 I think self improvement is good but it has to be for yourself and because of yourself. Don't do it, trying to appease someone else because you can't please everyone. Just be the best version of yourself you can be.
@@kap1618 I think that the simply idea of a necessity to "improve" is toxic. No matter for whome you are doing it.
I think it is better to strife for your best life... And to try learn the skills you need to this.
The simple idea that someone is not good enough as a person and needs to improve is in a way selfharming. Framing it as skill development is healthier.
Honestly just want to see someone tell Peterson to follow his own advice and speak clearly for once in his word-salad life. He speaks like a first year uni student trying to make their essay long enough on a topic they don't actually understand in any depth
Why hasn’t anyone brought up frogs to Peterson? He seems perfectly willing to use the way lobsters behave to justify certain human behaviors, but completely neglects to mention that some frogs can change their sex because it would be inconvenient as applied to his views on trans people.
Name me one human who could change their sex naturally and reproduce afterwards. Frogs can only change sex during their tadpole phase.
So you’re saying animals are completely analogous to animals? Thanks. That was my exact point.
@@michaeltorris5675 No I'm saying humans can't change their sex like frogs are able to. It's a completely different factor to make an analogy to the biology/neurochemistry system regulated by serotonin which does play a role in social hierarchies of both humans and animals, that includes lobsters. Tried to link ncbi Neural mechanisms of social dominance study but youtube deletes the comment. Unless you can speak frog, afaik frogs do not switch their sexes because they experience gender dysphoria.
Right. Kind of how lobsters are so different than humans that there is zero point in looking to the way they they organize into hierarchies to explain and/or justify certain hierarchies that exist in human society. Again, thank you for making my point.
@@michaeltorris5675 Wait, but in your original comment, are you not implying that humans can change their sex?
Jordan Peterson: “I’m here to help you, how dare you not let me help you.”