one of the best kids drama ever and nothing could ever replace this. Epic and loved it made me laugh at times. The cane was being stopped when I first hit junior school around about 1977. Teachers were bullies when I went to school. Teachers got away with murder
Wrong. A tiny few rogue teachers were bullies. 99 % of them were very decent people who cared about the kids EDUCATION....not about being their best mate. The cane, the pain and humiliation of it stopped the idiots , the troublemakers, and the bullies in their tracks. Nowadays they tell the powerless teachers to fuck off and laugh in their faces. If this is " progress " take me back to the Victorian era.
My eldest sister had board rubbers thrown at her and she was once given a ruler on the hand in around 1983. I was a baby at the time and to me it sounded old fashioned but the birch was used into the 80's I believe.
@@Antpeople1the whole point of the board duster was it left a white mark on your blue jumper so everyone knew you’d be in trouble. I got it almost daily but I’d prank and stamp the duster on pupils so others thought they had been in trouble. The mark didn’t come out until washed so mum always knew too 😂😂😂 best days ever. I got 6 of the best and then you couldn’t write and teachers had names for their canes. Wood works was called Arthur and it was long and flat and hurt like hell. Metal works was a lethal one too as you can imagine. Headmaster had a special traditional one but quite thick and somehow it was the worst
@@Boobmates 😲Sounds horrific!!! Everything has gone so backwards now, it is is so evil. Children killing their teachers in front of the class now. I cannot believe this happened not that long ago, all these forms of torture in schools. It seems like a stupid thing that the Teachers threw the board rubbers KNOWING it would make a stain in the uniform. Some of the these Teachers I have heard they were child molesters and pedophiles. Truly dangerous and evil criminals. The metal one sounds SO painful and dangerous! the injuries?! At least you have happy memories though!
@MrPolicekarim Granted, the teaching profession has largely been loaded with leftie progressives since the late sixties/early seventies, so its use had become much less fashionable.
My grandfather used to get caned He and his mates would deliberately piss off the teachers to see who could take the most amount of pain as a game of one up man ship
Reminds me of a kid I saw while I was studying to be a nurse. He and his brother and some other idiot would compete to see how far down they could get the brothers' mother's thin knitting needle down their you-know-whats. One of them had to be surgically repaired and had to have a temporary cystostomy, an opening in the bladder wall in his abdomen with a tube draining urine into a bag attached to his leg.
I was a few years younger than this episode was portrayed but at my school in Aberdeen me and my mates used to get the belt across our hands,but it was called the Scud inScotland and we used to have a league every year to see who got it most,but can’t remember any of us getting nowt if Ye won
There was a time when parents used to side with the teachers when little Johnny misbehaved. Now, all a teacher has to do is say something which makes little Johnny slightly uncomfortable and the parents will go all out to destroy the teacher's career.
Exactly... they should bring back limited corporal punishment at schools and schools should be more firmer and regimented with kids. It's all about being "nice" in the last 20 years... not doing what's right and doing the right thing.
Very true. It was much better when I was at school in the 1970s and early 1980s when this scene was set. Schools then were places where we learned, and we had respect for our teachers and parents, and had discipline when needed.
they stopped caning people for a reason. it was abused, badly and the teachers tended to be quite biased about it sometimes. you could get 5 kids called in to the office for the same offense and 3 of them would be let off with a warning, whilst the other 2 would be caned and it would usually be the same 2 kids over and over and over again
We had a teacher in middle school who was adamant that the cane be brought back. At the time we thought she was nuts but looking back on it, from how certain kids behaved in my school, I can see where she was coming from although I do not endorse corporal punishment in any shape or form.
I have to be honest, in a profession dominated by leftie progressivist beatniks since the seventies, I rather admire her for actually having the courage to speak her mind.
@@theradgegadgie6352 Me too. Especially with some of the insufferable and antisocial vermin who were at that school. The cane is still fully legal in countries like India by the way.
@@hodgey7183 I went to a non paying fee school in Ireland, and received "The Leather" strap in front of the entire class at the top of the teachers school desk. Everybody could see you receiving it Like you mentioned. It was so embarrissing !!
The cane was still around but going out when I was at school but I'm going back to primary school so a bit different to secondary. But I got the belt from my old man a few times in the 80s. Taught me a valuable lesson.. respect
At school, we still had the paddle, not a cane, and it was given on the seat of trousers for boys, not on hands. Only once for me at school in my HS freshman year. Aware too that many boys got the belt from their dad at home and often trousers were lowered. It did teach respect.
@@davefilms345 you used the word "taught" and I'm afraid respect can only be "taught" using respect. Perhaps "ordered" or "forced" would've been a better word. And respect in its true form can't be forced either. Btw what's being TAUGHT here is violence. In many rural areas in my country this misconception is still being passed on from one generation to another, with hardly any hope of change.
For those that think corporal punishment works, Nope! Most of the kids I grew up with (1970's, 80's) were raised in homes where life was lived at the end of verbal abuse, a slap, fist or worse. Eg. My mother broke my sisters fingers with a steel fish spatula and then hit her again for crying for asking 'stupid' questions. I had my head bounced of a radiator for not tying my shoe laces quick enough. She would lie to my dad and he took her word. A cane, slipper? Amateurs! The only thing it taught us was how to turn our backs, lie better and see any authority as the enemy. "It did us no harm", Maybe, but I can say it did no good either. Corporal punishment at school was just another form of violence wrapped up in a cheap, easy, quick and unimaginative means to gain compliance. Violence only ever benefits the perpetrator. What worked for me, was gaining a sense of worth and PURPOSE (really important). nurturing love gave me value, positive role-models showed me how, invested space for ideas, imagination and challenge built my confidence, time gave me room to grow, providing responsibility along with positive accountability moved me forward and owning the outcomes brought the discipline and drive to keep the momentum. If you think im all "namby pampby" think again, the ride should be hard, but meaningful and rewarding.
This. I'm still suffering from trauma at almost 60. I witnessed sadists beat girls and boys in front of classes. The sadistic sexual element is forever haunting. I wouldn't beat my pets in the way kids were treated then.
@@adeofbass Hello there, THankyou for your honest comment. The pain we feel from this kind of trauma is life long, it is a wound to our soul and we never realy get past the cruelty, and people think that treating children this way is 'good' for them. But hurt kids grow in to hurt adults. I hope its ok to say, but I hope that peace finds you. Take Care my friend. CC
When I started at my senior school, I already knew they had the tawse. All I knew about the tawse was it was a type of leather strap. During my first week there, in the biology class, I noticed hanging from the wall, a thick leather strap, with a heavy handle at one end and a brass buckle on the other. "Is that the tawse?" I thought. "No way can they be hitting kids with that!" It looked more like something used to discipline the ratings in Nelson's or Drake's day, not for schoolkids. Hey, you could even use it for twatting the French with in battle. I later learned that it was a strop, used for sharpening blades with.
@@nicolenicole1873 How's that possible??? I still remember the sting of my mom's cane! She used to give 3 strokes on each palm... it would hurt like hell!!!
Oh if only that was brought back into schools. Good old discipline. When I was at junior school, not only the cane was used, a slipper, ruler, blackboard eraser and in the music class, a drum stick.
And the reason it was banned was that more often than not, an innocent pupil would be caned and some teachers abused the punishment and would go too far.
It may not look like much but it seriously does hurt, a *lot*. I was caned several times on my hand and school and you need to remember that the hand is a very sensitive part of the body. And with a thin cane like that that's a lot of force on a relatively small area of skin. And bare skin too, no protection from clothing. So believe you me, it certainly hurts!
@@reddwarfer999I got 6 strikes across my arse when I was 14 and it drew blood. The bruising lasted for weeks. The headmaster who served me my punishment raised the cane right up above his head with each strike.
I remember getting it a few times, I told my big brother and sister that the headmaster gave me the cane for something I really didn’t do, they came Ito the school looking for the headmaster and deputy head, unfortunately they were hiding in their locked respective rooms, the mid 70’s were quite brutal in my opinion.
I went to school in the 1960s, corporal punishment was normal back then, the punishment was carried out by the school secretary with the cane, usually there were between 8 and 16 strokes with the cane on the bare bottom
We got it on the bare bottom as well. Anything from six to twelve.And I tell you what, when a lad knows he's gonna get several very sharp strokes on his bare bottom he thinks at least twice before he offends.I speak from painful experience.
It’s shocking this happened in the 70’s I’m 60 now and this really did happen ! I talked in class and got the ‘ruler’ which was done in the headmaster class he slapped the ruler on my hand 6 times . The boys who were a bit naughty got the cane ! A teacher punched a boy and broke the glass in the window as he went flying . Parents complained but nothing was done !!
I thought she was being tickled .When I had it in 1973 .He transferred his weight from the back foot to the front and bought all his weight behind it . I had 2 sleep on my stomach and put a load a cushions under my bum The 3 strips lasted 3 weeks .
If a cane or paddle is used to punish, I think it best across the bottom rather than the hands. Sounds like you got 3 painful stripes on your bum at school.
Had the cane at our school. Remember if you skipped Wednesday night detention your name was read out in assembly to go to heads office afterwards and that was the cane on your arse. Seemed perfectly reasonable and expected back then but looking at it nowadays and it’s crazy to think it was a thing.
Although ironically, if someone threw a bit of wood at your head, you'd either have them charged with assault, or you'd punch their lights out. Why was it not assault to hit someone who is weaker than you?
I’m a 2000s kid (Nov 2002) to be exact and tbh they should bring this back to an extent. Clearly this works better than a detention or exclusion for a week. I definitely don’t agree with beating kids black and blue in the same fashion that you hear about in these parent on child abuse cases but a few strokes on the hand seems to be effective still. also I heard Mrs McCluskey passed away last week. RIP to her. I hardly know anything about Grange Hill. My mum and dad watched it but I’ve grown up with Waterloo Road and Ackley Bridge.
I'm a 70's kid & was around when Borstals & Kids home were all over the UK. I've been in Refuges, Orphanages, Kids homes. In all these places & Schools the staff assaulted you, it was the culture then, even the Police assaulted you if you played truant. I remember getting the ruler so many times in Primary School & they didn't need much of a reason. If you have to resort to assaulting Kids then you've failed already. It's a different era now.
@@speedy692 ok I can't disagree with that. The reason I made that comment is just because some kids these days seem to just get away with anything. Discipline seems to have gone out the window but of course that is down to the parents. I should mention that I intended for that kind of punishment to be a very very last resort, if grounding or confiscating devices do not work. But then again, I suppose it is a bit hypocritical - I'd never imagine assaulting my own children.
@@speedy692 Also, what I want to know is why was it the culture then? Without wishing to sound dramatic but was there just a level of tolerance regarding children back then? Or maybe they didn't get the love they do now? I'd like to think most parents did love their children just as much as parents do now even if they didn't show it.
@@evanslater4551 Back then we didn't have anything to confiscate. We went out & played all evening. I suppose if kids didn't conform back then they were seen as a problem, but Teachers & Care home staff assaulting you was far worse than anything kids done back then. You weren't allowed to answer adults back or question them or you'd be punished. Some people may be thinking a kid must've been a right handful if they put him in a home or fostered them out, but believe me some Parents just didn't want you & Social Workers have a lot to answer for back then. Things evolve, before Care homes there were Borstals & if you go back even more Kids would be put in the Workhouse. I know things have gone the other way now & you'd know more about that than me, but it all starts at Home.
@@waynespencer3036 I'm 52 from Scotland i don't recall any teachers having a cane just 2 prong belts. Loved that sting especially when it wrapped around your fingers.
My head used his walking stick ' my class teacher was a woman who had a nasty temper ' even a bit over the top ' slaps ' rulers across the knuckles for trivial stuff.
At my school they fenced off an area in the playground and sent you in like gladiators to face local hoodlums, armed only with a bucket and a short rounders bat. We realise now it made us good citizens.
@@sasa-ke2024 lol. I’ve just re-read my post from a year ago and I have NO recollection of typing that, nor do I know hope I came up with it!!! It sounds like pure fiction - I was probably ‘sleep-typing’. If it made you laugh then that’s good I guess.
Wow shocked me seeing thus on GH. I remember watching it from mid 80's to mid. 90's. I looked at comments that said the show had to factor to much politics, which lost it's realism. You can say black board it's called information board. I say bring it back for the kids today. It helped me through a few growing up things, seeing clips of the old days brought back memories of my own childhood and what I was facing when these episodes were on the air, thanks BBC for GH I'm writing a play and book which if it wasn't for GH I'd never consider it.
+lee Lewis Okay but will your play and book feature pretty girls being caned? That's the most important thing lol. But on a more serious note, it's interesting that you were shocked by it. I'm guessing you're a fair bit younger than me. The idea of corporal punishment in schools may seem very controversial now but a few decades ago it was standard practice. I left school in 1982 so I was among the last generation of kids to experience it (it was banned in state schools in 1987). In the school I went to only the headmaster was allowed to use the cane, but classroom teachers frequently used the plimsoll or dap (we called it the slipper), often for quite minor "offences" such as forgetting to do homework or being too noisy in class. It was usually just one whack on the bottom but if you did something really bad you could get as many as six. The amount of pain it caused varied. Sometimes it was just a mild sting but other times you'd be jumping around! We didn't like it but we accepted it as part of school life.
johnny b The law as it stood at the time was that only the head or deputy head could inflict corporal punishment on a pupil in a state school - no other teacher had the authority to do so - could only issue lines or detention or whatever - no teacher was permitted by law to put their hands on a pupil, other than to pull two or more would-be pugilists apart - any actual slippering could be done by either the head or deputy head on the bum - only the head could inflict the cane on a pupil on either the bum or, invariably, the hands - a bit annoying just before a music lesson or something requiring the hands - and the most they could issue was six whacks per day (hence the expression "six of the best") - so, if you were really naughty - and we're not talking about not eating your greens, here - and earned 30 whacks, you had to report to the headmaster every day and get six, then come in next day for another six and so on - in fairness to the recipient, each stroke counted, hit or miss - any state school that allowed the English teacher to impose physical punishment on you because you misspelt a word or the maths teacher to hit you because you said that 2+2=5 or the geography teacher to clobber you because you said that Prague was the capital of Poland or the history teacher to beat the crap out of you because you thought Julius Caesar was the emperor of Carthage or whatever was, even back then, breaking the law! Private (so-called public) schools had their own separate set of rules - giving senior pupils the authority to treat the younger pupils as errand-runners ("fags" they were called - the errand-runners, that is - the senior pupils were called prefects) - as for convent schools - the late comedian Dave Allen built a comedy routine around them - some of them were not above forcing pupils to eat everything on their plate, whether they liked it or not - one item I read in a women's magazine - I find the content of women's magazines more interesting than those aimed at men - all fishing and football and motorsport - related the story of a convent school near Sunderland called Nazareth House - dubbed "Nazi House" by its pupils - a combination of a shortened form of Nazareth and the fact that the nuns acted like they were Nazis - one girl was being force-fed food she didn't like and was throwing most of it back up - the nun said "You will EAT it!" - and started feeding her the sick! My two boarding schools - the first one was anti-corporal punishment - instead getting pupils to do the work of cleaners, only without the pay - the second one did practice corporal punishment - but the deputy headmaster could only issue the "slipper" - a plimsoll - on the bum - never had the cane in my life - but, by all accounts, only the actual headmaster could issue the cane on either the bum or the hands! Both my schools did adopt a zero tolerance policy, however, on food being left on the plate or whatever - you had to eat all of everything - that only, it seemed, applied to the main course - they were quite happy to force feed you sprouts or cabbage or cauliflower or all that stuff you don't like, say that, if you eat all your main course, you will get your pudding - sometimes it was pudding - although how half a grapefruit with a glaçé cherry on it constitutes pudding - or counts as cereal in my last boarding school, I don't know - whilst they force fed you fruit as if it was pudding, on the occasions when they SERVED a proper pudding, having been promised - PROMISED - that, having ate all your greens, you would get your pudding, you barely managed to eat a mouthful, only to be told, "Spoons down, please - meal is over!". Funny how nice puddings were returned, but not greens! My first boarding school occasionally served the kind of stuff you get in Holland & Barrett - eventually it became the exclusive menu - always brown bread or sugar, never white throughout my entire time there! If it wasn't yellow, brown, green, purple or beige, it wasn't on the menu!
@@arthurvasey What I know about school corporal punishment (well at most since May 1972 after the pupils went on strike to protest about it) is that it got toned down by the 1970's across all State Schools in the UK because it would only be used as a last resort for misbehaving pupils, as seen in this example, however a number of them banned it completely because their local council felt that it was wrong, most notably London's Primary Schools; they had already began phasing out corporal punishment in the late 1960's.
I remember when I was eleven and I'd just started high school, I was just stood in the dinner queue with my friend and this big kid (he was a first year just like me but a lot bigger and taller) just came up to me and punched me in the face. It turned out that he was bragging that he was the hardest kid in his old school and his friends were like.. "Prove it, go and punch someone" He hit me so hard I fell down and I had a huge black eye that lasted for over a week. The headmaster got us both in his office and asked if I was okay. Then he told me to watch. He groped on top of this huge cabinet that looked more like a wardrobe and retrieved a bamboo cane that looked about six feet long. Then he said "Hold out your hand boy" and the kid put his hand out.. "This is what happens when you hit girls.." He brought his arm right back in a well practised move and brought the cane down hard on the kids hand.. To this day I remember the sound of the cane whistling through the air and the loud crack it made as it hit the boy. He screamed out loud.. and then burst into snotty tears. I'd cried when he punched me but he yelped and cried at least twice as much. The head cooly informed him that the next time he laid a hand on a girl (curiously enough he didn't mention hitting boys) that he would get two strikes, and if there was another time it would double again to four and so on.. I don't recall that kid putting a single foot out of line for the rest of his years at high school..
Live in America I never got the cane but I got the paddle on a few occasions but the thing about it is I was bullied -picked on and people lied about what I did not do which got me sent to the office or out in the hallway to receive the paddle
I got the cane and the slipper as well as getting half strangled by the Headmaster for smirking in assembly, and thumped around the head so hard by a teacher that I fell off my chair! And I was one of the better behaved ones. All in a school day's work back in the 70's.
What I chiefly remember from this and subsequent series of GH is that while the head and staff came down like a ton of bricks on pupils who did things like smoking or skipping school to go to a gig, they seemed powerless to prevent Benson and his cronies from vandalising the classrooms, or to protect children from a teacher who practiced violent abuse, or to stop Gripper Stebson in his campaigns of bullying and racism. (Except for Baxter of course, who seemed the only one who did anything positive in that direction.)
i was glued to Grange Hill growing up realising that it's the only school in Britain where the pupils didn't swear yet Mary Whitehouse got it banned for a while. Damn she even tried to get Tom and Jerry banned.
@@briangatt2956 she always talked about protecting children and that what she did was due to being Christian. Could never understand her silence about the activities of countless catholic priests.
Whereas nowadays children get a way with murdering teachers..literally. Like the Pupil who murdered their teacher in front of the class. You go to prison for disciplining them now...Teachers used to beat the pupils badly and it is all backwards...this is all by design of course!
To say I'm here for the comments barely hints at the truth. I shook with laughter... Let's summarise, this comments were one if the following: 1) "yes that's the way to do it! I was spanked for picking my nose in 1933 and it never did me any harm" 2) (unnecessarily detailed description of a previous spanking) 3) "if the socialists had been given this they might have behaved themselves" 4) "Cathy was a looker" 5) "I'd cane one of them myself" Etcetc
@@alanmackenzie2811 well the sewers came with the Victorians. That, and the Broad Street pump/Cholera history is an extraordinary story. I'm not here to say corporal punishment is all wrong, either - though I've never much liked it. I'm in the middle of discovering just how difficult kids can be, and I remember a few years ago a certain Laurie Penny describing child-smacking as "abuse" - and not seeing why her apparent complete lack of experience of parenting might make her opinion a bit suspect
I want to know how Mr. Keating knew to bring the cane. Or perhaps he always brings it in the hope he might be allowed to use it on someone. He was disappointed today though!
Some teachers were designated to carry out corporal punishment in some schools. It was a way of standardising the punishment. Some old lady teachers could hardly tickle a pupil with a belt or cane, 6'4" young guys, on the other hand, would nearly break wrists. It also stopped teachers punishing in anger as the pupil would be sent to a third party.
The cane may work but I don't like the idea of it being done I am basically a pacifist. I think there are far more effective methods of punishment such detentions groundings and tempoary withdrawal of sweet money. Grange hill along with casualty and prisoner cell block h are my 3 favourite dramas. From Michael from Yorkshire and proud of it.
Indeed there are far worse and more sophisticated psychological punishments that are dished out to kids by passive aggressive liberal parents. I’d rather get the cane and be done with it tbh.
I remember a male teacher who would punch older lads espc if he caught them bullying anyone smaller ' good deterrent if you want my opinion ' pretty cool teacher he was with a great sense of humor ' just never get on the wrong side of him ' like jeckl and hyde character.
That's extreme we only got the belt and it was so wide it just felt like the head was giving me five after a bunch of us got in trouble for having a fish'n chip fight at lunchtime.
I don't know what the girl did, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the kid fix what they broke, replace what they can't fix, and clean up the mess?
wingobingo Spelleded? A whank is a combination of a whack and a wank - you get whacked with a cane as you wank - best not progress any further down that route - leave the rest to your imagination!
In my infant school Mr Lee welcomed us to top infants with the news that he could slipper the girls on their hands and boys on their bottoms. One day I was sitting in the tiny 'library'.…just a couple of shelves ..and I saw two boys in the corridor looking terrified. Mr Lee came striding down. Without stopping he seized one boy, lifted him by the collar and gave him a huge whack. Then boy 2. I will never forget when he hoisted him, the boy began running in the air to escape. It was a really hard blow. There was no more in sorrow than in anger stuff
It got banned in 1986. By which time it was already incredibly rare. I got the cane in 1985 when I was 14, shortly before it was banned. In a situation a bit like this one in Grange Hill. Either get expelled or get the cane. I took the cane. I've never know anyone else of my generation to get it though. Also, it was far more brutal than this.
@@johnsheehy3531 definitely a very savage thing to do to children. When you see kids these days who are offended and traumatised over nothing. We were hard as. I got six canes across the arse. It was so hard it drew blood and hurt for weeks afterwards.
@@johnsheehy3531 I was hit by the headmaster. He really went for it. He raised the cane way up above his head on each of the 6 strikes and hit me with all his strength across m'y arse. I had my trousers up but I had to stand with my hands on my inside upper thigh. The cane bent right around and got me on the back of the hands too. Thinking about it now, I wonder if this position was to protect my dick. It split the skin on m'y arse and left bruising for weeks. I still remember the angry look on his face, it was personal. It was medieval. I wouldn't say I'm traumatised by it but looking back on it now, it seems completely insane. A respected adult man caning a naughty boy.
How dare someone think they have the right to injure and degrade someone's body! When I was in school we were punished by being made to sit in the kindergarten. Also, we were threatened with being expelled, and told that your parents would have to pay for you to go to private school or you would end up washing dishes for a living.
This was the 1970's when this was made; school corporal punishment was legal back then, though by that decade it was toned down across state schools across the UK, or banned completely in some schools. It wasn't until 1986 when corporal punishment in state schools across the UK was finally outlawed, however private schools (unless they were partially funded by the government) were legally allowed to still use it until 1998 in England and Wales, 2000 in Scotland and 2003 in Northern Ireland.
Its called instant justice ' i agree you shoudn 't take it too far ' but moderate chastisement never hurt anybody ' even a copper used to clout you if you gave him lip ' sad times we live in now.
I think I still bare the scars, though I'm not sure cos I can't see my own backside, a number of our heads of year and indeed the head were brutal when it came to giving you a canning.
Speaking as a Teacher (music) I once worked on an International school and the amount of language and bad attitudes the kids though they could get away with , was unbelievable. That level of disrespect and behavior was definitely not tolerated in my day. Sadly though, I was never allowed to discipline the kids and had a flood of emails from parents whenever I did have to raise my voice and exercise my authority.
Raise your voice? Lol. That was standard in my day,which was from: September 1988 until June:2000. It was hilarious to see the scumbags getting shouted at(Like bad recruits on a parade-square:-) & it worked too. It was nicknamed a verbal-cane,by one old-fashioned teacher. This included at my:infants,prep-school,primary & secondary schools. Caning was banned in 1986(In state-schools:-) but continued in private schools up until 1998:when the EU banned it. The PE teachers at my private-school,used to slipper naughty children with plimsoles. I think kids of today,don’t know the boundaries & they don’t care,either. Ive seen children,younger than 10:verbally abusing police officers too & in my day that would have resulted in a:twisted-ear. My music teacher was called:Nikki Windgrove & not someone you wanted to cross either,as she was like the sergeant-major with a very,loud voice & a habit of throwing those xylophone-sticks at pupils for:disruption & no homework. They just about missed the head & arms.😂
Exactly what she deserved and exactly what's needed today back in schools and homes not with people always bringing up abused a word use for not wanting to be punished
because after the third stroke you tensed your arm you could not help it, and each stroke after that it made your bicep go into spasm, and it hurts like merry hell, the hand is sore and tender after but your whole arm is in pain, it wears off in a couple of hours, and it was always on the hand that you do not write with.
I never got caned at school my father allowed no one but him to punish me or my brother's. Sometime the punishment he would deal out when called by the school would he severe you'd wish you got the cane at school.
She told a teacher that her grandmother was ill/dead (can't remember which) so she could leave school early. Bridget was going to expel her, which seemed excessive to me, but Cathy's mother suggested caning instead.
General .....not just parents....teachers try to be their pupils " friend " now. The boundaries have become so blurred in recent years. It is a MESS. Too many people thinking their little darlings cannot possibly have behaved badly. That's what you get for allowing kids to have kids. I'd bring back corporal punishment tomorrow.
@@trainerkai1313 apparently all the kids are evil... Need screaming parents to discipline.... Worked really well with two fine morons of society demanding corporal punishment. Get over yourselves. Sad people.
What do you mean can't? Of course they can, they work for us. Our taxes pay them. We tell them what to do. The problem is they been telling us for so long while we sit back and let them. If you want it back put it back. Simple. Grow some balls. The only power a school department has is what we allow. Take back the schools and save the kids.
I don't see why it has to be about extremes; beating the child or pandering to them. There has to be a middle ground, far more effective than physical punishment.
In primary school we got the slipper. You hoped it was the headmaster who gave it to you because his heart wasn't in it.God help you if the dept head gave it to you his swing could put you through the wall!
Do not overlook the fact that kids who are allowed to do just as they like at home , at school, with total impunity then go out into the world and become the lawbreakers.
And by the same token, kids who were routinely beaten at home, go on to be abusers themselves in adulthood. Why does everything have to be expressed in extremes?? You'll probably find that kids who are given a free reign at home, go on to be the entitled narcissists in adulthood, but not necessarily the law breakers.
That's weird, especially as she consented to be punished. Talk about being beaten with a stick. Some of this stuff seems like sillier than reality. It lead to ending corporal punishment.
"Consent" ? Her mother agreed, after the school principal present as the only alternative to expulsion and that horrible man came in with the "punishment" book; written recorded of violent physical assutls by adult teachers on children. Would the poor girl ever really have option of thinking and speaking for herself? It is very sick and shameful that it happened in reality.
@@kimkelly7 We tend to develop the reasoning needed to think for ourselves in early childhood. What had they already done? If they're not too warped to begin with, then they'll always remember how their own bad behaviour was dealt with. Heck they might even define it as bad themself.
@@therespectedlex9794 The "punishment" was warped and in many cases it is what caused the victims to become warped. Do really think that any self respecting person with the ability and time to think for themselves would consent to a violent physical assutl on their body? Many people of all ages struggle to think for themselves under pressure, emotional distress and when out numbered. Thankfully this "punishment" is now illegal.
The girl should’ve been turned over i’m giving a spanking with the cane not across the hand across the butt worked wonders for my but when I got it at home I got a yardstick across my butt like the switch the belt the board the all the things came across my butt very hard but when I had a mouse problem my back talking smart mountain cousin mother and father I was in high school that I was too big for a whipping I am too big for spanking and I told mother that no one‘s gonna place a belt across my butt use the boy the cross my butt since I wouldn’t take either the belt or the board she told me that father would be home and deal with my but from there she told father that I would not take a spanking and would not take a whipping tearing her to my butt when he heard I kept mouthing off back tuck and call her names my father came in to the bedroom before he placed anything across my butt like his belt he bent me over on my back and he shook a holes in my shirts and he begin to spank my mouth and he gave me a very long spanking across the mouth for all the things I said to mother and what I had said to him before he got home after a half hour or longer with with the handprints crossing my mouth for about a half hour or longer he turned me over and gave me a spanking with the He gave me the board for a very long time then you raise me up pull down my pants after taking off my belt he was going to blister in my butt with a belt which she did and his belt and two other girls from the name I was given the treatment to the skin on my butt for a very long time until I learned how to respect my mother and father and for the next week or two to use the belt in the world the board was over the knee and a spanking with the hand it was over the knee but give me the belts it was standard bend over in the middle of the bedroom living room kitchen and feel the leather belts slap your bottom as a swim across the skin of your button which it did for a very long time and this was when I was in high school so my friends ask why I couldn’t work together and I told him I was given a better spanking in the bear whipping
Different era. From my understanding corporal punishment (the Cain) was only made illegal in 1986. Around five or six years after this episode in question
At another school I attended canings were carried out on the school yard by professional caners , bottoms were caned at 100mph, often the poor kid getting caned got 25-99 lashes and rest of school had to watch. Buttocks ofter got turned to mulsh and bits of bottoms would sometimes fly into the assembled spectators, sometimes the poor kid would poo and bits of poo would fly into those spectators. Very harsh back then, very harsh
one of the best kids drama ever and nothing could ever replace this. Epic and loved it made me laugh at times. The cane was being stopped when I first hit junior school around about 1977. Teachers were bullies when I went to school. Teachers got away with murder
Wrong.
A tiny few rogue teachers were bullies.
99 % of them were very decent people who cared about the kids EDUCATION....not about being their best mate.
The cane, the pain and humiliation of it stopped the idiots , the troublemakers, and the bullies in their tracks.
Nowadays they tell the powerless teachers to fuck off and laugh in their faces.
If this is " progress " take me back to the Victorian era.
We got smacked throughout the 80's up to the mid 90's. Bully is the right word.
My eldest sister had board rubbers thrown at her and she was once given a ruler on the hand in around 1983. I was a baby at the time and to me it sounded old fashioned but the birch was used into the 80's I believe.
@@Antpeople1the whole point of the board duster was it left a white mark on your blue jumper so everyone knew you’d be in trouble. I got it almost daily but I’d prank and stamp the duster on pupils so others thought they had been in trouble. The mark didn’t come out until washed so mum always knew too 😂😂😂 best days ever. I got 6 of the best and then you couldn’t write and teachers had names for their canes. Wood works was called Arthur and it was long and flat and hurt like hell. Metal works was a lethal one too as you can imagine. Headmaster had a special traditional one but quite thick and somehow it was the worst
@@Boobmates 😲Sounds horrific!!! Everything has gone so backwards now, it is is so evil. Children killing their teachers in front of the class now. I cannot believe this happened not that long ago, all these forms of torture in schools.
It seems like a stupid thing that the Teachers threw the board rubbers KNOWING it would make a stain in the uniform. Some of the these Teachers I have heard they were child molesters and pedophiles. Truly dangerous and evil criminals.
The metal one sounds SO painful and dangerous! the injuries?!
At least you have happy memories though!
Yes,, they still did the canning in the 1980's at my school. up until the 1990's!!!! 🏑
1986, to be specific. Unless you're referring to independent schools, in which case it was 1998.
GOOD !!
@@theradgegadgie6352 They had it until 1998! Bloody Hell!
@@MrPolicekarim Indeed.
@MrPolicekarim Granted, the teaching profession has largely been loaded with leftie progressives since the late sixties/early seventies, so its use had become much less fashionable.
My grandfather used to get caned
He and his mates would deliberately piss off the teachers to see who could take the most amount of pain as a game of one up man ship
or BDSM as some would call it.
Reminds me of a kid I saw while I was studying to be a nurse. He and his brother and some other idiot would compete to see how far down they could get the brothers' mother's thin knitting needle down their you-know-whats. One of them had to be surgically repaired and had to have a temporary cystostomy, an opening in the bladder wall in his abdomen with a tube draining urine into a bag attached to his leg.
We did that too sadly the belt was banned in Scotland 1987 a year after i left.🤣
I was a few years younger than this episode was portrayed but at my school in Aberdeen me and my mates used to get the belt across our hands,but it was called the Scud inScotland and we used to have a league every year to see who got it most,but can’t remember any of us getting nowt if Ye won
A slap on the back?
There was a time when parents used to side with the teachers when little Johnny misbehaved. Now, all a teacher has to do is say something which makes little Johnny slightly uncomfortable and the parents will go all out to destroy the teacher's career.
Totally agree.
Exactly... they should bring back limited corporal punishment at schools and schools should be more firmer and regimented with kids. It's all about being "nice" in the last 20 years... not doing what's right and doing the right thing.
Very true. It was much better when I was at school in the 1970s and early 1980s when this scene was set. Schools then were places where we learned, and we had respect for our teachers and parents, and had discipline when needed.
they stopped caning people for a reason. it was abused, badly and the teachers tended to be quite biased about it sometimes. you could get 5 kids called in to the office for the same offense and 3 of them would be let off with a warning, whilst the other 2 would be caned and it would usually be the same 2 kids over and over and over again
Teachers are just the same u can’t trust em we’re not in the dark ages now we’re in 2022 and if u was in school round this generation you’d get it
Mrs Mcklusky. The best headteacher of Grange Hill. Strict but fair.
And pretty too.
I would have liked to have had such a beautiful and strict teacher
not always fair
Stern.....stern but fair
@@beardtrick she wasn't always fair.....as this video shows.
Mrs McCluskey showed great strength and respect to all around her. Exactly what a head should be.
It’s not real... just acting.
@@davidmccormick4319 she was a trained teacher
@@dpinto6278Lol
...and she brought a MAN in to further humiliate the girl...
We had a teacher in middle school who was adamant that the cane be brought back. At the time we thought she was nuts but looking back on it, from how certain kids behaved in my school, I can see where she was coming from although I do not endorse corporal punishment in any shape or form.
I have to be honest, in a profession dominated by leftie progressivist beatniks since the seventies, I rather admire her for actually having the courage to speak her mind.
@@theradgegadgie6352 Me too. Especially with some of the insufferable and antisocial vermin who were at that school. The cane is still fully legal in countries like India by the way.
@@vinaymulukutla358 I feel your pain.
There was still bare bottom caning at a boarding school I was at in the 1970s.
The Leather strap was still used on the hands at secondary school in the late 1970's early 1980's in Rep of Ireland..
If you were really bad at our fee paying school you were caned on stage at assembly in front of the whole school
@@hodgey7183 I went to a non paying fee school in Ireland, and received "The Leather" strap in front of the entire class at the top of the teachers school desk. Everybody could see you receiving it Like you mentioned. It was so embarrissing !!
The cane was still around but going out when I was at school but I'm going back to primary school so a bit different to secondary. But I got the belt from my old man a few times in the 80s. Taught me a valuable lesson.. respect
At school, we still had the paddle, not a cane, and it was given on the seat of trousers for boys, not on hands. Only once for me at school in my HS freshman year. Aware too that many boys got the belt from their dad at home and often trousers were lowered. It did teach respect.
No it didn't. Fear does not equal respect
You call that respect!
@@parasjaiswal4212 teaches you you not to do it again
@@davefilms345 you used the word "taught" and I'm afraid respect can only be "taught" using respect. Perhaps "ordered" or "forced" would've been a better word. And respect in its true form can't be forced either. Btw what's being TAUGHT here is violence.
In many rural areas in my country this misconception is still being passed on from one generation to another, with hardly any hope of change.
For those that think corporal punishment works, Nope! Most of the kids I grew up with (1970's, 80's) were raised in homes where life was lived at the end of verbal abuse, a slap, fist or worse. Eg. My mother broke my sisters fingers with a steel fish spatula and then hit her again for crying for asking 'stupid' questions. I had my head bounced of a radiator for not tying my shoe laces quick enough. She would lie to my dad and he took her word.
A cane, slipper? Amateurs!
The only thing it taught us was how to turn our backs, lie better and see any authority as the enemy. "It did us no harm", Maybe, but I can say it did no good either. Corporal punishment at school was just another form of violence wrapped up in a cheap, easy, quick and unimaginative means to gain compliance. Violence only ever benefits the perpetrator.
What worked for me, was gaining a sense of worth and PURPOSE (really important). nurturing love gave me value, positive role-models showed me how, invested space for ideas, imagination and challenge built my confidence, time gave me room to grow, providing responsibility along with positive accountability moved me forward and owning the outcomes brought the discipline and drive to keep the momentum.
If you think im all "namby pampby" think again, the ride should be hard, but meaningful and rewarding.
Good comment.
This. I'm still suffering from trauma at almost 60. I witnessed sadists beat girls and boys in front of classes. The sadistic sexual element is forever haunting. I wouldn't beat my pets in the way kids were treated then.
@@adeofbass Hello there, THankyou for your honest comment. The pain we feel from this kind of trauma is life long, it is a wound to our soul and we never realy get past the cruelty, and people think that treating children this way is 'good' for them. But hurt kids grow in to hurt adults. I hope its ok to say, but I hope that peace finds you. Take Care my friend. CC
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You didn't learn easily
When I started at my senior school, I already knew they had the tawse. All I knew about the tawse was it was a type of leather strap. During my first week there, in the biology class, I noticed hanging from the wall, a thick leather strap, with a heavy handle at one end and a brass buckle on the other. "Is that the tawse?" I thought.
"No way can they be hitting kids with that!"
It looked more like something used to discipline the ratings in Nelson's or Drake's day, not for schoolkids. Hey, you could even use it for twatting the French with in battle.
I later learned that it was a strop, used for sharpening blades with.
The tawse was mainly used in Scotland, but some schools in parts of Northern England also used it.
OMG,my mom used to cane me in this same fashion,but 3 strokes at least!
Same but I had 60
@@nicolenicole1873 60 strokes on the palm!!! Are u kidding???
I got 10 with a ruler when I was growing up.
@@prasadprasad4872 no I'm not joking
@@nicolenicole1873 How's that possible??? I still remember the sting of my mom's cane! She used to give 3 strokes on each palm... it would hurt like hell!!!
Oh if only that was brought back into schools. Good old discipline. When I was at junior school, not only the cane was used, a slipper, ruler, blackboard eraser and in the music class, a drum stick.
Ah the sting of the belt after it wrapped around your hand brings great memories back
And the reason it was banned was that more often than not, an innocent pupil would be caned and some teachers abused the punishment and would go too far.
not really
@@matthewleslie4448 Me, usually
That’s not a canning, that’s a love tap.🤣
Literally, barely hit
Yea, my year head was a c..t when it came to delivering the cane, I think he enjoyed it. Bastard he's dead now
@@AR-ei3fs Gwnneth Powell didn't want to do it.
It may not look like much but it seriously does hurt, a *lot*. I was caned several times on my hand and school and you need to remember that the hand is a very sensitive part of the body. And with a thin cane like that that's a lot of force on a relatively small area of skin. And bare skin too, no protection from clothing. So believe you me, it certainly hurts!
@@reddwarfer999I got 6 strikes across my arse when I was 14 and it drew blood. The bruising lasted for weeks. The headmaster who served me my punishment raised the cane right up above his head with each strike.
I remember getting the cane in 1979
I remember getting it a few times, I told my big brother and sister that the headmaster gave me the cane for something I really didn’t do, they came Ito the school looking for the headmaster and deputy head, unfortunately they were hiding in their locked respective rooms, the mid 70’s were quite brutal in my opinion.
Same.. 1979. 😂
I went to school in the 1960s, corporal punishment was normal back then, the punishment was carried out by the school secretary with the cane, usually there were between 8 and 16 strokes with the cane on the bare bottom
We got it on the bare bottom as well. Anything from six to twelve.And I tell you what, when a lad knows he's gonna get several very sharp strokes on his bare bottom he thinks at least twice before he offends.I speak from painful experience.
It’s shocking this happened in the 70’s
I’m 60 now and this really did happen ! I talked in class and got the ‘ruler’ which was done in the headmaster class he slapped the ruler on my hand 6 times . The boys who were a bit naughty got the cane ! A teacher punched a boy and broke the glass in the window as he went flying . Parents complained but nothing was done !!
I thought she was being tickled .When I had it in 1973 .He transferred his weight from the back foot to the front and bought all his weight behind it . I had 2 sleep on my stomach and put a load a cushions under my bum
The 3 strips lasted 3 weeks .
If a cane or paddle is used to punish, I think it best across the bottom rather than the hands. Sounds like you got 3 painful stripes on your bum at school.
At our school the cane was on bare buttocks in assembly without any mercy!!
Like when I was whacked with a rolling pin by a witch of a sculpture teacher. Awful
Had the cane at our school. Remember if you skipped Wednesday night detention your name was read out in assembly to go to heads office afterwards and that was the cane on your arse. Seemed perfectly reasonable and expected back then but looking at it nowadays and it’s crazy to think it was a thing.
Did you ever get PTSD after it? 😉
wood work teacher used to throw bits of wood at your head if you werent listening, little getts dont know their born now.
Yes, my wood work teacher used to pick whatever piece of wood was at hand to whack kids that were misbehaving.
Although ironically, if someone threw a bit of wood at your head, you'd either have them charged with assault, or you'd punch their lights out. Why was it not assault to hit someone who is weaker than you?
😂😂😂 back in the days I have experience this hahahhahaha
I’m a 2000s kid (Nov 2002) to be exact and tbh they should bring this back to an extent. Clearly this works better than a detention or exclusion for a week. I definitely don’t agree with beating kids black and blue in the same fashion that you hear about in these parent on child abuse cases but a few strokes on the hand seems to be effective still.
also I heard Mrs McCluskey passed away last week. RIP to her. I hardly know anything about Grange Hill. My mum and dad watched it but I’ve grown up with Waterloo Road and Ackley Bridge.
Poor youstill ' each to their own I say.
I'm a 70's kid & was around when Borstals & Kids home were all over the UK. I've been in Refuges, Orphanages, Kids homes. In all these places & Schools the staff assaulted you, it was the culture then, even the Police assaulted you if you played truant. I remember getting the ruler so many times in Primary School & they didn't need much of a reason. If you have to resort to assaulting Kids then you've failed already. It's a different era now.
@@speedy692 ok I can't disagree with that. The reason I made that comment is just because some kids these days seem to just get away with anything. Discipline seems to have gone out the window but of course that is down to the parents. I should mention that I intended for that kind of punishment to be a very very last resort, if grounding or confiscating devices do not work. But then again, I suppose it is a bit hypocritical - I'd never imagine assaulting my own children.
@@speedy692 Also, what I want to know is why was it the culture then? Without wishing to sound dramatic but was there just a level of tolerance regarding children back then? Or maybe they didn't get the love they do now? I'd like to think most parents did love their children just as much as parents do now even if they didn't show it.
@@evanslater4551 Back then we didn't have anything to confiscate. We went out & played all evening. I suppose if kids didn't conform back then they were seen as a problem, but Teachers & Care home staff assaulting you was far worse than anything kids done back then. You weren't allowed to answer adults back or question them or you'd be punished. Some people may be thinking a kid must've been a right handful if they put him in a home or fostered them out, but believe me some Parents just didn't want you & Social Workers have a lot to answer for back then. Things evolve, before Care homes there were Borstals & if you go back even more Kids would be put in the Workhouse. I know things have gone the other way now & you'd know more about that than me, but it all starts at Home.
Did keeting just wander about with the cane just in case he gets the call? 😂
Yeah how did he know about the cane as Mrs McClusky only passed a message to secretary-
Yes he was always ready lol. Constantly on Cane Alert. He liked to call himself Caner Keeting.
@@waynespencer3036 ah those were the days 😆😆
They definitely were. I didn't feel like I'd been school if I hadn't had the cane that day 🤣🤣
@@waynespencer3036 I'm 52 from Scotland i don't recall any teachers having a cane just 2 prong belts.
Loved that sting especially when it wrapped around your fingers.
It was banned on the 22nd July 1986.
No, 1982 as I recollect.
@dal6984 nope it was most certainly the 22nd of July 1986 it was banned
Caning the hands can cause permanent damage, they did it on the buttocks at my school, flipping hurt but no real risk of lasting injury.
Was it just as a last resort
That brings back memories ! Proper punishment dished out, thats how you got kids to behave back in the 70s and early 80s.
I agree use the strap in the board on boys and girls butts in school and then get it get it at home
shame some teachers were biased with it i.e. targeting student s they just personally didn't like it
My head used his walking stick ' my class teacher was a woman who had a nasty temper ' even a bit over the top ' slaps ' rulers across the knuckles for trivial stuff.
So you're saying you think it's ok for adults to assault kids? Do you also think it's OK to assault your wife? Other adults? Pretty weird pal.
I remember a male teacher when I was at boarding school in the late 70s ' ' who used to punch the older kids ' espc if they were bullies.
always fancied mrs mcluskey
It’s not as bad as when the boys got paddled and if I’m not mistaken they cut off the ending because they wouldn’t be allowed to show that
Cane we got the leather I got 6 on each hand once for not telling on another class mate for something he had done.
Had a big crush for Cathy , and Kimberley from Different Strokes 😘
We got the strap when I was at school.
At my school they fenced off an area in the playground and sent you in like gladiators to face local hoodlums, armed only with a bucket and a short rounders bat. We realise now it made us good citizens.
Given this is the internet i can't tell if you're joking. Brilliant if you're not.
@@sasa-ke2024 lol. I’ve just re-read my post from a year ago and I have NO recollection of typing that, nor do I know hope I came up with it!!! It sounds like pure fiction - I was probably ‘sleep-typing’. If it made you laugh then that’s good I guess.
Wow shocked me seeing thus on GH. I remember watching it from mid 80's to mid. 90's. I looked at comments that said the show had to factor to much politics, which lost it's realism. You can say black board it's called information board. I say bring it back for the kids today. It helped me through a few growing up things, seeing clips of the old days brought back memories of my own childhood and what I was facing when these episodes were on the air, thanks BBC for GH I'm writing a play and book which if it wasn't for GH I'd never consider it.
+lee Lewis Okay but will your play and book feature pretty girls being caned? That's the most important thing lol. But on a more serious note, it's interesting that you were shocked by it. I'm guessing you're a fair bit younger than me. The idea of corporal punishment in schools may seem very controversial now but a few decades ago it was standard practice. I left school in 1982 so I was among the last generation of kids to experience it (it was banned in state schools in 1987). In the school I went to only the headmaster was allowed to use the cane, but classroom teachers frequently used the plimsoll or dap (we called it the slipper), often for quite minor "offences" such as forgetting to do homework or being too noisy in class. It was usually just one whack on the bottom but if you did something really bad you could get as many as six. The amount of pain it caused varied. Sometimes it was just a mild sting but other times you'd be jumping around! We didn't like it but we accepted it as part of school life.
johnny b how old are you and what country do you live?
johnny b The law as it stood at the time was that only the head or deputy head could inflict corporal punishment on a pupil in a state school - no other teacher had the authority to do so - could only issue lines or detention or whatever - no teacher was permitted by law to put their hands on a pupil, other than to pull two or more would-be pugilists apart - any actual slippering could be done by either the head or deputy head on the bum - only the head could inflict the cane on a pupil on either the bum or, invariably, the hands - a bit annoying just before a music lesson or something requiring the hands - and the most they could issue was six whacks per day (hence the expression "six of the best") - so, if you were really naughty - and we're not talking about not eating your greens, here - and earned 30 whacks, you had to report to the headmaster every day and get six, then come in next day for another six and so on - in fairness to the recipient, each stroke counted, hit or miss - any state school that allowed the English teacher to impose physical punishment on you because you misspelt a word or the maths teacher to hit you because you said that 2+2=5 or the geography teacher to clobber you because you said that Prague was the capital of Poland or the history teacher to beat the crap out of you because you thought Julius Caesar was the emperor of Carthage or whatever was, even back then, breaking the law!
Private (so-called public) schools had their own separate set of rules - giving senior pupils the authority to treat the younger pupils as errand-runners ("fags" they were called - the errand-runners, that is - the senior pupils were called prefects) - as for convent schools - the late comedian Dave Allen built a comedy routine around them - some of them were not above forcing pupils to eat everything on their plate, whether they liked it or not - one item I read in a women's magazine - I find the content of women's magazines more interesting than those aimed at men - all fishing and football and motorsport - related the story of a convent school near Sunderland called Nazareth House - dubbed "Nazi House" by its pupils - a combination of a shortened form of Nazareth and the fact that the nuns acted like they were Nazis - one girl was being force-fed food she didn't like and was throwing most of it back up - the nun said "You will EAT it!" - and started feeding her the sick!
My two boarding schools - the first one was anti-corporal punishment - instead getting pupils to do the work of cleaners, only without the pay - the second one did practice corporal punishment - but the deputy headmaster could only issue the "slipper" - a plimsoll - on the bum - never had the cane in my life - but, by all accounts, only the actual headmaster could issue the cane on either the bum or the hands!
Both my schools did adopt a zero tolerance policy, however, on food being left on the plate or whatever - you had to eat all of everything - that only, it seemed, applied to the main course - they were quite happy to force feed you sprouts or cabbage or cauliflower or all that stuff you don't like, say that, if you eat all your main course, you will get your pudding - sometimes it was pudding - although how half a grapefruit with a glaçé cherry on it constitutes pudding - or counts as cereal in my last boarding school, I don't know - whilst they force fed you fruit as if it was pudding, on the occasions when they SERVED a proper pudding, having been promised - PROMISED - that, having ate all your greens, you would get your pudding, you barely managed to eat a mouthful, only to be told, "Spoons down, please - meal is over!".
Funny how nice puddings were returned, but not greens!
My first boarding school occasionally served the kind of stuff you get in Holland & Barrett - eventually it became the exclusive menu - always brown bread or sugar, never white throughout my entire time there! If it wasn't yellow, brown, green, purple or beige, it wasn't on the menu!
@@arthurvasey What I know about school corporal punishment (well at most since May 1972 after the pupils went on strike to protest about it) is that it got toned down by the 1970's across all State Schools in the UK because it would only be used as a last resort for misbehaving pupils, as seen in this example, however a number of them banned it completely because their local council felt that it was wrong, most notably London's Primary Schools; they had already began phasing out corporal punishment in the late 1960's.
This is the old GH.
I remember when I was eleven and I'd just started high school, I was just stood in the dinner queue with my friend and this big kid (he was a first year just like me but a lot bigger and taller) just came up to me and punched me in the face. It turned out that he was bragging that he was the hardest kid in his old school and his friends were like.. "Prove it, go and punch someone" He hit me so hard I fell down and I had a huge black eye that lasted for over a week.
The headmaster got us both in his office and asked if I was okay. Then he told me to watch. He groped on top of this huge cabinet that looked more like a wardrobe and retrieved a bamboo cane that looked about six feet long.
Then he said "Hold out your hand boy" and the kid put his hand out.. "This is what happens when you hit girls.." He brought his arm right back in a well practised move and brought the cane down hard on the kids hand..
To this day I remember the sound of the cane whistling through the air and the loud crack it made as it hit the boy. He screamed out loud.. and then burst into snotty tears. I'd cried when he punched me but he yelped and cried at least twice as much.
The head cooly informed him that the next time he laid a hand on a girl (curiously enough he didn't mention hitting boys) that he would get two strikes, and if there was another time it would double again to four and so on..
I don't recall that kid putting a single foot out of line for the rest of his years at high school..
Lyca31 what year did it happen in?
Saw a girl at my school punished in a similar way in class..think her name was Keetch, she got 1 on each hand and cried her eyes out
This just some story u made up or something
What is the episode number
This boy as girl!!! Very nice!
Live in America I never got the cane but I got the paddle on a few occasions but the thing about it is I was bullied -picked on and people lied about what I did not do which got me sent to the office or out in the hallway to receive the paddle
Tony Stephen use son
I got the cane and the slipper as well as getting half strangled by the Headmaster for smirking in assembly, and thumped around the head so hard by a teacher that I fell off my chair! And I was one of the better behaved ones. All in a school day's work back in the 70's.
I got half strangled by the Headmistress with pair of HER thighs wrapped around my head.
What I chiefly remember from this and subsequent series of GH is that while the head and staff came down like a ton of bricks on pupils who did things like smoking or skipping school to go to a gig, they seemed powerless to prevent Benson and his cronies from vandalising the classrooms, or to protect children from a teacher who practiced violent abuse, or to stop Gripper Stebson in his campaigns of bullying and racism. (Except for Baxter of course, who seemed the only one who did anything positive in that direction.)
i was glued to Grange Hill growing up realising that it's the only school in Britain where the pupils didn't swear yet Mary Whitehouse got it banned for a while.
Damn she even tried to get Tom and Jerry banned.
@@briangatt2956 she always talked about protecting children and that what she did was due to being Christian. Could never understand her silence about the activities of countless catholic priests.
Whereas nowadays children get a way with murdering teachers..literally. Like the Pupil who murdered their teacher in front of the class. You go to prison for disciplining them now...Teachers used to beat the pupils badly and it is all backwards...this is all by design of course!
@@melkhound Why would she complain about Catholic priests?
@@Ennis85 if I remember rightly they were committing abuse on quite a scale
To say I'm here for the comments barely hints at the truth. I shook with laughter... Let's summarise, this comments were one if the following:
1) "yes that's the way to do it! I was spanked for picking my nose in 1933 and it never did me any harm"
2) (unnecessarily detailed description of a previous spanking)
3) "if the socialists had been given this they might have behaved themselves"
4) "Cathy was a looker"
5) "I'd cane one of them myself"
Etcetc
What we need is a good war. And bring back hanging. And open sewers. Like the good old days.
@@alanmackenzie2811 well the sewers came with the Victorians. That, and the Broad Street pump/Cholera history is an extraordinary story.
I'm not here to say corporal punishment is all wrong, either - though I've never much liked it.
I'm in the middle of discovering just how difficult kids can be, and I remember a few years ago a certain Laurie Penny describing child-smacking as "abuse" - and not seeing why her apparent complete lack of experience of parenting might make her opinion a bit suspect
I want to know how Mr. Keating knew to bring the cane. Or perhaps he always brings it in the hope he might be allowed to use it on someone. He was disappointed today though!
Some teachers were designated to carry out corporal punishment in some schools. It was a way of standardising the punishment. Some old lady teachers could hardly tickle a pupil with a belt or cane, 6'4" young guys, on the other hand, would nearly break wrists. It also stopped teachers punishing in anger as the pupil would be sent to a third party.
The cane may work but I don't like the idea of it being done I am basically a pacifist. I think there are far more effective methods of punishment such detentions groundings and tempoary withdrawal of sweet money. Grange hill along with casualty and prisoner cell block h are my 3 favourite dramas. From Michael from Yorkshire and proud of it.
Indeed there are far worse and more sophisticated psychological punishments that are dished out to kids by passive aggressive liberal parents.
I’d rather get the cane and be done with it tbh.
Only perverts and sadists do this to people .
I remember a male teacher who would punch older lads espc if he caught them bullying anyone smaller ' good deterrent if you want my opinion ' pretty cool teacher he was with a great sense of humor ' just never get on the wrong side of him ' like jeckl and hyde character.
Bollocks.
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Today’s generation are a bunch of weaklings who want to have it easy with everything.. Bunch of weasels…
That's extreme we only got the belt and it was so wide it just felt like the head was giving me five after a bunch of us got in trouble for having a fish'n chip fight at lunchtime.
I don't know what the girl did, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the kid fix what they broke, replace what they can't fix, and clean up the mess?
+MondoBeno She hadn't vandalised anything. She'd been playing truant in order to sing with a local band.
time 4 a whank
Lol
Prenton_Dice hear hear
wingobingo Spelleded?
A whank is a combination of a whack and a wank - you get whacked with a cane as you wank - best not progress any further down that route - leave the rest to your imagination!
Really??
In my infant school Mr Lee welcomed us to top infants with the news that he could slipper the girls on their hands and boys on their bottoms.
One day I was sitting in the tiny 'library'.…just a couple of shelves ..and I saw two boys in the corridor looking terrified. Mr Lee came striding down. Without stopping he seized one boy, lifted him by the collar and gave him a huge whack. Then boy 2. I will never forget when he hoisted him, the boy began running in the air to escape. It was a really hard blow. There was no more in sorrow than in anger stuff
Why did he hit them?
That CV wasn't a caning
ممكن رقم الحلقه من فضلكم
Nail 'er up, I say! Nail some sense into 'er!
How did Mr Keating know to bring a cane to Mrs McClusky's office? she only asked the secretary to get Mr Keating to come to her office.
Haha, I wondered the exact same thing 😂
@@eclecticjon1019 It's like it was written by Coronation Street writers.
Hmm.....I don't remember this, what series/episode was it from?
mistofoles Series 4 its from
Did they really used to do that in state schools? They didn't at mine an inner London comprehensive in the mid 1980s
It got banned in 1986. By which time it was already incredibly rare. I got the cane in 1985 when I was 14, shortly before it was banned. In a situation a bit like this one in Grange Hill. Either get expelled or get the cane. I took the cane. I've never know anyone else of my generation to get it though. Also, it was far more brutal than this.
@@johnsheehy3531 definitely a very savage thing to do to children. When you see kids these days who are offended and traumatised over nothing. We were hard as. I got six canes across the arse. It was so hard it drew blood and hurt for weeks afterwards.
@@johnsheehy3531 I was hit by the headmaster. He really went for it. He raised the cane way up above his head on each of the 6 strikes and hit me with all his strength across m'y arse. I had my trousers up but I had to stand with my hands on my inside upper thigh. The cane bent right around and got me on the back of the hands too. Thinking about it now, I wonder if this position was to protect my dick. It split the skin on m'y arse and left bruising for weeks. I still remember the angry look on his face, it was personal. It was medieval. I wouldn't say I'm traumatised by it but looking back on it now, it seems completely insane. A respected adult man caning a naughty boy.
WoooooW
How dare someone think they have the right to injure and degrade someone's body! When I was in school we were punished by being made to sit in the kindergarten. Also, we were threatened with being expelled, and told that your parents would have to pay for you to go to private school or you would end up washing dishes for a living.
This was the 1970's when this was made; school corporal punishment was legal back then, though by that decade it was toned down across state schools across the UK, or banned completely in some schools. It wasn't until 1986 when corporal punishment in state schools across the UK was finally outlawed, however private schools (unless they were partially funded by the government) were legally allowed to still use it until 1998 in England and Wales, 2000 in Scotland and 2003 in Northern Ireland.
Its called instant justice ' i agree you shoudn 't take it too far ' but moderate chastisement never hurt anybody ' even a copper used to clout you if you gave him lip ' sad times we live in now.
Stop being woke, Carol..
@@MK-oj6hd Agree. Lack of discipline nowadays and more so kids attacking teachers and hiding behind 'autism' as an excuse to do so
I think I still bare the scars, though I'm not sure cos I can't see my own backside, a number of our heads of year and indeed the head were brutal when it came to giving you a canning.
Speaking as a Teacher (music) I once worked on an International school and the amount of language and bad attitudes the kids though they could get away with , was unbelievable. That level of disrespect and behavior was definitely not tolerated in my day. Sadly though, I was never allowed to discipline the kids and had a flood of emails from parents whenever I did have to raise my voice and exercise my authority.
Explain yourself better ... If you had been allowed to discipline, would you have used the same method? Your comment is unclear.
The systems a joke now ' and a bad one.
Raise your voice? Lol.
That was standard in my day,which was from: September 1988 until June:2000.
It was hilarious to see the scumbags getting shouted at(Like bad recruits on a parade-square:-) & it worked too.
It was nicknamed a verbal-cane,by one old-fashioned teacher.
This included at my:infants,prep-school,primary & secondary schools.
Caning was banned in 1986(In state-schools:-) but continued in private schools up until 1998:when the EU banned it.
The PE teachers at my private-school,used to slipper naughty children with plimsoles.
I think kids of today,don’t know the boundaries & they don’t care,either.
Ive seen children,younger than 10:verbally abusing police officers too & in my day that would have resulted in a:twisted-ear.
My music teacher was called:Nikki Windgrove & not someone you wanted to cross either,as she was like the sergeant-major with a very,loud voice & a habit of throwing those xylophone-sticks at pupils for:disruption & no homework.
They just about missed the head & arms.😂
My one unty ( Mami ) was gave me hand caning punishment for decipline .She was gave me 50 strokes on my palmwith the help of wooden scale in childhood
we need a return to the cane and the application should be severe.
Severe corporal punishment with the cane should be reintroduced, thereby promoting obedience and discipline
Exactly what she deserved and exactly what's needed today back in schools and homes not with people always bringing up abused a word use for not wanting to be punished
I remember getting the cane
Why is Cathy rubbing her arm when she comes out when Mrs McClusky caned her hand ???
because after the third stroke you tensed your arm you could not help it, and each stroke after that it made your bicep go into spasm, and it hurts like merry hell, the hand is sore and tender after but your whole arm is in pain, it wears off in a couple of hours, and it was always on the hand that you do not write with.
Didn’t have a load of little stabbie joes walking around when we had the cane and proper discipline.
Yes but some teachers were abusive.
@@melkhoundThat ship has sailed.
Yeah but what is that grey object sat on the desk?
I remember the cane at my school .. used to frighten the hell out of kids ..
I never got caned at school my father allowed no one but him to punish me or my brother's. Sometime the punishment he would deal out when called by the school would he severe you'd wish you got the cane at school.
What is name of movie??
"Grange Hill" It was a kids TV show in Britain from the 1970s / 80s / 90s.
Omg good old Cathy what did she even get the cane for??
She told a teacher that her grandmother was ill/dead (can't remember which) so she could leave school early. Bridget was going to expel her, which seemed excessive to me, but Cathy's mother suggested caning instead.
Bring back six of the best I say wouldn't have any of the lack of discipline kids have these days
We Got Yardstick or Pointer across our Back..
This is great!
Children have no discipline or respect nowadays. Parents are too busy trying to be their child’s best friend.
General Motors You are absolutely right. When a parent treats their kids as if they are their best friend in a school it is bad for discipline.
General .....not just parents....teachers try to be their pupils " friend " now.
The boundaries have become so blurred in recent years.
It is a MESS.
Too many people thinking their little darlings cannot possibly have behaved badly.
That's what you get for allowing kids to have kids.
I'd bring back corporal punishment tomorrow.
Truth Teller yes I would bring it back too
@Garantia COBIA 🙄 spanking isn't the sole method to discipline but I guess that's too hard for you to get being that you're stuck in the old ways
@@trainerkai1313 apparently all the kids are evil...
Need screaming parents to discipline....
Worked really well with two fine morons of society demanding corporal punishment. Get over yourselves. Sad people.
Shame they can't bring the cane back into schools discipline has gone down the toilet after they banned the cane.
You are so right and I say that as one who experienced corporal punishment at school.
What do you mean can't? Of course they can, they work for us. Our taxes pay them. We tell them what to do. The problem is they been telling us for so long while we sit back and let them. If you want it back put it back. Simple. Grow some balls. The only power a school department has is what we allow. Take back the schools and save the kids.
I don't see why it has to be about extremes; beating the child or pandering to them. There has to be a middle ground, far more effective than physical punishment.
Can we cane troublesome adults too.
good.I like
In primary school we got the slipper. You hoped it was the headmaster who gave it to you because his heart wasn't in it.God help you if the dept head gave it to you his swing could put you through the wall!
This tickles if youre an asian kid
Did she get caned for real in this scene?
had a few occasions of corporal punishment myslef, good old 1970s education.
In our school, corporal punishment was carried out with the cane, which made us obedient and attentive students
Do you think you deserved it?
Should bring back a similar consequence for bad behaviour they way kids are now.
When I went 2 s hook girls were canned across the hand .
We had it on the back of the legs in shorts
Good old days teachers took no shit then to much pc now
When they abolished corporal punishment.....right there...just then..... that's when it all started going tits up .
Hello John We want to work with you for a movie
This is nothing my Dad used to use a motor bike chain
Just the chain? You were lucky, my dad used the entire bike!
@@reddwarfer999 you win good sir
Do not overlook the fact that kids who are allowed to do just as they like at home , at school, with total impunity then go out into the world and become the lawbreakers.
Truth Teller. No only that. In this day and age people who were born post 1975 think they can do what they like at work.
And by the same token, kids who were routinely beaten at home, go on to be abusers themselves in adulthood. Why does everything have to be expressed in extremes?? You'll probably find that kids who are given a free reign at home, go on to be the entitled narcissists in adulthood, but not necessarily the law breakers.
@@simonshreeve5580 That long /early? I thought it was more late 80s or 90s onward .
Cathy's mum is different to the mum in series 2
That’s right, cane Cathy but let scumbags like Stebson, Doyle and Booga Benson get away with their deeds.
That's weird, especially as she consented to be punished. Talk about being beaten with a stick. Some of this stuff seems like sillier than reality. It lead to ending corporal punishment.
"Consent" ? Her mother agreed, after the school principal present as the only alternative to expulsion and that horrible man came in with the "punishment" book; written recorded of violent physical assutls by adult teachers on children.
Would the poor girl ever really have option of thinking and speaking for herself?
It is very sick and shameful that it happened in reality.
@@kimkelly7 We tend to develop the reasoning needed to think for ourselves in early childhood. What had they already done? If they're not too warped to begin with, then they'll always remember how their own bad behaviour was dealt with. Heck they might even define it as bad themself.
@@therespectedlex9794 The "punishment" was warped and in many cases it is what caused the victims to become warped.
Do really think that any self respecting person with the ability and time to think for themselves would consent to a violent physical assutl on their body?
Many people of all ages struggle to think for themselves under pressure, emotional distress and when out numbered.
Thankfully this "punishment" is now illegal.
@@kimkelly7 At the time, yes.
@@kimkelly7 I guess you're right about no options at the time. But you do the crime you do the time. What was she up to?
A guy in my class had a gob like a fog horn . Once he was canned he was like a church mouse .
Tha cane wasnt that bad, it only stung for about 5 mins but if they got you across the fingertips insted of the palm that bastard hurt
@@howey935: Better yet, not the hands or fingertips, give it on the boy's butt. Surprised to see a girl caned.
The girl should’ve been turned over i’m giving a spanking with the cane not across the hand across the butt worked wonders for my but when I got it at home I got a yardstick across my butt like the switch the belt the board the all the things came across my butt very hard but when I had a mouse problem my back talking smart mountain cousin mother and father I was in high school that I was too big for a whipping I am too big for spanking and I told mother that no one‘s gonna place a belt across my butt use the boy the cross my butt since I wouldn’t take either the belt or the board she told me that father would be home and deal with my but from there she told father that I would not take a spanking and would not take a whipping tearing her to my butt when he heard I kept mouthing off back tuck and call her names my father came in to the bedroom before he placed anything across my butt like his belt he bent me over on my back and he shook a holes in my shirts and he begin to spank my mouth and he gave me a very long spanking across the mouth for all the things I said to mother and what I had said to him before he got home after a half hour or longer with with the handprints crossing my mouth for about a half hour or longer he turned me over and gave me a spanking with the He gave me the board for a very long time then you raise me up pull down my pants after taking off my belt he was going to blister in my butt with a belt which she did and his belt and two other girls from the name I was given the treatment to the skin on my butt for a very long time until I learned how to respect my mother and father and for the next week or two to use the belt in the world the board was over the knee and a spanking with the hand it was over the knee but give me the belts it was standard bend over in the middle of the bedroom living room kitchen and feel the leather belts slap your bottom as a swim across the skin of your button which it did for a very long time and this was when I was in high school so my friends ask why I couldn’t work together and I told him I was given a better spanking in the bear whipping
Cathy's mother let her daughter be caned? How many parents out there would allow that?
I know my mother wouldn't allow it.
Good old fashioned parenting. That's why kids behaviour was not as bad then as is today
Because it's not real life. It's television.
Paul Fitzpatrick In those days, most parents approved of corporal punishment.
Different era. From my understanding corporal punishment (the Cain) was only made illegal in 1986. Around five or six years after this episode in question
My late mum would back in the day.
At another school I attended canings were carried out on the school yard by professional caners , bottoms were caned at 100mph, often the poor kid getting caned got 25-99 lashes and rest of school had to watch. Buttocks ofter got turned to mulsh and bits of bottoms would sometimes fly into the assembled spectators, sometimes the poor kid would poo and bits of poo would fly into those spectators. Very harsh back then, very harsh
Where was your school? Malaysia?
Whatever pal
That i have to say is barbaric ' six of the best on his bum is fine ' but no need to half kill or desect him.
I don't believe that story not one bit.
You go to Dachau primary school?!? Dr Mengele the science teacher?!?
me next !
Girls never got the cane as I remember.
Those who grew up with corporal punishment knew it was normalised. Pain is a deterrent.
after mrs Hargreaves says "she'll get over it" it sounds like someone farts.
Grange Hill was entertaining but nothing like a real school. The teachers talked bollocks most of the time and none of the kids ever said f*#k!
Its nasty really, breaks my heart❤ to see such a person go through pain.
Keating was massively disappointed when McCluskey told him she’d do the caning. The sick pervert!