I have this same setup on my 383 stocker with 13:1 cr all forged internals all billet aluminum External compoments, AFR 210 heads, Custom built twin turbo hot side/ cold side with 76mm turbos, in a 76 C10. still working out my carb turning. but planning to transision to EFI with a terminator X setup. Your video helped me Tremendously.
Great video. I'm trying to convert a 6 cyl distributor engine to COP. It's for a Zenith 601 with a Jabiru 3300 engine. You just can't buy caps a rotors anymore, and an upgrade would be nice. So far I can't find anything...
@@sparkplug1018 I was looking at a microsquirt. I think that might get it done too. May even be able to use the original flywheel magnets for timing sensors, (6 cyl & there's 3 on the flywheel) wasted spark, and vroom! Or airplane noise as required!!!
Yo. Same shit about the coils. I self tap them to my 88 1500 fenders before I found a bracket that uses the 4 valve cover bolts to. It even is high enough to keep the stock pvc system mines 1" vacuum lines to a catch can an they still clear the brackets.
Not sure what eBay harness you’re referring to but I’m sure you could make a harness to work. As long as you have the right pinouts and connector it should work.
I’m thinking about buying the MSD EFI and run it for a while until I get the direct ignition then combine them. I assume you can since you did it here with a fitech
@@mechtrician1 how does the temp sensor work an hook up on the efi setup and do you think it’s better than the setup they give you in a dual electric system from alloy works?
Hi. Nice looking set up you have; the MSD DIS looks user friendly. On the MSD control box, is it required to set up a hose line to connect the MAP sensor? Control box to connect to the actual vac line on the manifold? I am considering installing this MSD onto an L98 350 Tuned Port. Thanks
Hi there. No you do not have to connect vacuum if you don’t want to. I’d recommend it to take full advantage of the timing control but you don’t have to.
Can I use the Holley dual sync distributor and the terminatorX and if so can I control both crank and timing or would I still need a msd box or 24x reluctor wheel i have a sbc 350
Unfortunately, I don’t believe so. SBF only, 289/302 and 351w. If they make a dual sync distributor for the 460, it can be used with this system to make it work.
@@mechtrician1 Dang. I think there may be something similar to these things that are applicable for the 460 after I've read your reply and done research. I think there was something called "MSD's Cam Sync distributor plug" and I believe it works the same way like the DIS: no rotor, coils per plug etc (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I came across on my search). It looked like the typical piece of billet masterpiece.
@@mechtrician1 thanks for the quick response! i plan on doing efi in the future but have a worn out ignition system that needs an upgrade so i want to start with this because my carb works fine for now
My engine is a hyd. roller, but the distributor drive uses a standard MSD 0.5" melonized gear. I actually transferred the gear from my old MSD distributor to this one just because they were already mated. My particular cam is compatible with the melonized gear, but you can put a bronze gear on this setup if needed.
Neither. You set the crank at TDC #1, stab the distributor with the notch pointing at #1, power it up, rotate the housing it until the cam and crank lights are on, and if I remember correctly you back it off until one or both lights are off. It’s in the instructions though. Very easy.
@@josecarlospedrazaojeda9370 yes. There is a small group of us on a Facebook group. Here is the link. facebook.com/groups/251698662584696/?ref=share Sounds like you might have the distributor 180° out.
Thank you I just requested to join the group. I drop my dial sync at 50 btc on compression as holley instructions. This is being a nightmare the car backfires when is underload.
@@mechtrician1 i saw that you did a video on the sniper ignition system. I really the concept of separate coils but I really have a hard time decoding which system to use. I have Sniper efi and like the idea that their ignition system is made to work with their existing. Concerned about reliability of anything MSD lately. What are your thoughts between the two systems?. I am running a Vortec 350 in my car. By the way thank you for the quick response, like in minutes. Amazing.
@@jerrybennett7856 if you’re using the sniper, just go with the Hyperspark system along with it. It’s very well integrated. You can do the coil on plug with the terminator and HP EFI but not the sniper. The MSD dis system has been reliable for me though. It’s just it’s own system and not integrated with the EFI. Still works well though.
Not really. The dual sync distributor has inner and outer optical sensors inside, set at 2 different radii. This is how it knows absolutely at what firing position it’s at. If it only had one sensor, it would only know when to fire, but not what position. So, it doesn’t rely on the cam, it just relies on being phased correctly at install. In other words, the firing order is built into the distributor.
@UCYhdYUYDHxjT8ie6hK9-sqA yes it’s driven off the cam as any other standard distributor. But the cam itself doesn’t set the firing order. I thought that’s what you were getting at.
@@mechtrician1 I'm just wondering how Accurate it is. Other systems use a crank censor to eliminate play in the gears and chain. But if its doin some magic I don't understand yet then I'm all for getting one
@@basketballcory2 Yeah understandable. You will have whatever play is in your timing set, but the distributor itself has features for high accuracy. The shutter is welded to the shaft so there is no play, all the components are machined, etc.
@@basketballcory2 basically its as accurate as you set it up. If you know for a fact that your number 1 tdc is correct and you set everything up knowing that your taking any play out like you would set up timing chain or phasing a rator. Ect. Then normal routine like checking timing for wear in any application. Changing bronz gear in normal intervals like normal if your using a soild roller camshaft. Then id say its probably very accurate.
@@mechtrician1 well guess it doesnt really apply hgere but www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/too-long-of-spark-plug-wires-cause-loss-of-power.321097/
I love how this guy answers more questions on behalf of msd than msd does on their videos. Thanks from us all.
I have this same setup on my 383 stocker with 13:1 cr all forged internals all billet aluminum External compoments, AFR 210 heads, Custom built twin turbo hot side/ cold side with 76mm turbos, in a 76 C10. still working out my carb turning. but planning to transision to EFI with a terminator X setup. Your video helped me Tremendously.
You are a natural. Very nice setup..
Great video. I'm trying to convert a 6 cyl distributor engine to COP. It's for a Zenith 601 with a Jabiru 3300 engine. You just can't buy caps a rotors anymore, and an upgrade would be nice. So far I can't find anything...
Would take some work but something like the MegaSquirt could probably get that done for you.
@@sparkplug1018 I was looking at a microsquirt. I think that might get it done too. May even be able to use the original flywheel magnets for timing sensors, (6 cyl & there's 3 on the flywheel) wasted spark, and vroom! Or airplane noise as required!!!
Ok thank you, I have a vacuum hose coming from the carburetor that went to the old distributor. Would that work?
What kind of mpgs are you getting with your setup?
Yo. Same shit about the coils. I self tap them to my 88 1500 fenders before I found a bracket that uses the 4 valve cover bolts to. It even is high enough to keep the stock pvc system mines 1" vacuum lines to a catch can an they still clear the brackets.
What mount did you use.
@JoshuaABartlett look though my shorts there a re a few videos of the engine
Need a ICU ?? Or you plug your laptop in the msd box controller and program your set up and go .??
Can you provide the parts numbers of the harness..thanks
Gonna be interesting installing these on my 91 vandura.. But you answered all my questions! 💙 It will work with my stock efi, correct?
Has anyone found a way to mount the coils on top of the valve covers? Mount adapters or a set of valve covers that take the coils?
I think there are some options out there now that can be mounted to valve covers.
Possible to make the ebay harnesses and coil packs work with the DIS box?
Not sure what eBay harness you’re referring to but I’m sure you could make a harness to work. As long as you have the right pinouts and connector it should work.
I’m thinking about buying the MSD EFI and run it for a while until I get the direct ignition then combine them. I assume you can since you did it here with a fitech
Yep you will be able to do that. The ignition system is pretty much transparent to the fuel injection system.
@@mechtrician1 how does the temp sensor work an hook up on the efi setup and do you think it’s better than the setup they give you in a dual electric system from alloy works?
Hi. Nice looking set up you have; the MSD DIS looks user friendly. On the MSD control box, is it required to set up a hose line to connect the MAP sensor? Control box to connect to the actual vac line on the manifold? I am considering installing this MSD onto an L98 350 Tuned Port. Thanks
Hi there. No you do not have to connect vacuum if you don’t want to. I’d recommend it to take full advantage of the timing control but you don’t have to.
I have almost the exact same setup so I'm going to copy some stuff haha. What relocation kit did you use for the coils?
Cool deal. It’s been so long now I am forgetting lol. I think I used these.
www.summitracing.com/parts/icb-551579
Can I use the Holley dual sync distributor and the terminatorX and if so can I control both crank and timing or would I still need a msd box or 24x reluctor wheel i have a sbc 350
If you use the dual sync, it’s all you need as far as I know. I know the terminator works with the dual sync distributor.
So they make them for Ford engines. That include the 460ci?
Unfortunately, I don’t believe so. SBF only, 289/302 and 351w.
If they make a dual sync distributor for the 460, it can be used with this system to make it work.
@@mechtrician1 Dang. I think there may be something similar to these things that are applicable for the 460 after I've read your reply and done research. I think there was something called "MSD's Cam Sync distributor plug" and I believe it works the same way like the DIS: no rotor, coils per plug etc (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I came across on my search). It looked like the typical piece of billet masterpiece.
There may very well be. You might call MSD actually and ask them. They might have a solution to allow you to use it on a 460.
@@mechtrician1 I hope so. I'll give them a call once I got enough green to put my 94 F-150 in the tuner shop. Thanks for your help buddy! 👍
Can you use this direct ignition system with a regular non EFI holley carberator?
Yes you sure can.
@@mechtrician1 thanks for the quick response! i plan on doing efi in the future but have a worn out ignition system that needs an upgrade so i want to start with this because my carb works fine for now
Can you feel the difference?. How is thr overall experience
Oh yeah. It idles amazingly well and steady, especially with the cam I have in it. Just much smoother in general.
Is your engine roller or flat tappet? just wondering does it matter at all with this set up
My engine is a hyd. roller, but the distributor drive uses a standard MSD 0.5" melonized gear. I actually transferred the gear from my old MSD distributor to this one just because they were already mated. My particular cam is compatible with the melonized gear, but you can put a bronze gear on this setup if needed.
@@mechtrician1 alright and thanks for the reply.
How did you set the distributor? 50 degree or 15?
Neither. You set the crank at TDC #1, stab the distributor with the notch pointing at #1, power it up, rotate the housing it until the cam and crank lights are on, and if I remember correctly you back it off until one or both lights are off. It’s in the instructions though. Very easy.
I'm experiencing timing problems with this system and backfire in the sniper. Is there a way to connect with you?
@@josecarlospedrazaojeda9370 yes. There is a small group of us on a Facebook group. Here is the link.
facebook.com/groups/251698662584696/?ref=share
Sounds like you might have the distributor 180° out.
Thank you I just requested to join the group. I drop my dial sync at 50 btc on compression as holley instructions. This is being a nightmare the car backfires when is underload.
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That’s not right. I don’t think that’s the right instructions. You drop it in at 0°.
Is it working with 7.4 gen vi ?
I have it on a gen iv but it will work on a vi.
What do you have there on your number 6 plug?
Nothing on the plug. I do have a temp sender in the head above it that has a small harness.
I joined your Facebook group but there is nothing there, meaning no content. Is it active?
There should be content there, but not much activity.
@@mechtrician1 i saw that you did a video on the sniper ignition system. I really the concept of separate coils but I really have a hard time decoding which system to use. I have Sniper efi and like the idea that their ignition system is made to work with their existing. Concerned about reliability of anything MSD lately. What are your thoughts between the two systems?. I am running a Vortec 350 in my car.
By the way thank you for the quick response, like in minutes. Amazing.
@@jerrybennett7856 if you’re using the sniper, just go with the Hyperspark system along with it. It’s very well integrated. You can do the coil on plug with the terminator and HP EFI but not the sniper. The MSD dis system has been reliable for me though. It’s just it’s own system and not integrated with the EFI. Still works well though.
@@mechtrician1 thank you very much. I love your channel.
@@mechtrician1where should I hook map sensor hose
So the sensors still rely on the cam for accuracy?
Not really. The dual sync distributor has inner and outer optical sensors inside, set at 2 different radii. This is how it knows absolutely at what firing position it’s at. If it only had one sensor, it would only know when to fire, but not what position. So, it doesn’t rely on the cam, it just relies on being phased correctly at install. In other words, the firing order is built into the distributor.
@UCYhdYUYDHxjT8ie6hK9-sqA yes it’s driven off the cam as any other standard distributor. But the cam itself doesn’t set the firing order. I thought that’s what you were getting at.
@@mechtrician1 I'm just wondering how Accurate it is. Other systems use a crank censor to eliminate play in the gears and chain. But if its doin some magic I don't understand yet then I'm all for getting one
@@basketballcory2 Yeah understandable. You will have whatever play is in your timing set, but the distributor itself has features for high accuracy. The shutter is welded to the shaft so there is no play, all the components are machined, etc.
@@basketballcory2 basically its as accurate as you set it up. If you know for a fact that your number 1 tdc is correct and you set everything up knowing that your taking any play out like you would set up timing chain or phasing a rator. Ect. Then normal routine like checking timing for wear in any application. Changing bronz gear in normal intervals like normal if your using a soild roller camshaft. Then id say its probably very accurate.
good god those wires are too long
The plug wires? Same length as a distributor…
@@mechtrician1 i understand that thats part of the reason you upgraded do a quick search on the effects
@@mechtrician1 well guess it doesnt really apply hgere but www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/too-long-of-spark-plug-wires-cause-loss-of-power.321097/
Yeah with coil per plug, CD box and the super conductor wires, it’s not a problem. There would be zero noticeable difference if they were shorter.
@@mechtrician1 yeah it would seem I misread that bullshit somewhere
how is fitech vs blind sniper efi ?
They both have their quirks but both my Sniper and Fitech installs have been solid for a long time now.