Big fan of Donaldson Blue or Amsoil as their filters have much better media and filtration is superior. Just re-did my 5.9. It’ll be getting the Amsoil bypass filter setup with the full flow changed at each oil change and bypass every second. The thickness of the media is called loft.
The guys who click on this video already run good filters and enjoy learning more about mechanical elements. The people who need to see this video most, will never click on this. It is the conundrum of life
I never understood the foolishness of buying expensive diesels and then buying bargain filters to save money. Working in the field for many years I noticed by far the most common filters on commercial engines was Baldwin and second was Napa gold/Wix (oil, fuel, and air) Good video.
Definitely solid knowledge. I've compared filters that came off my truck. If you cut the filter media off in a neat manner and unroll it and measure, you'll see that you actually get more media in the better brands. In 2 of mine that cut open the difference was by more than 11 inches in length at the same height. As you said the Napa (wix) filter is restricted. My truck would cold start at over 100 psi of oil pressure on my mechanical guage and cruise at about 85psi. I changed filters and now I see about 55-60 at cruise, 39-40 at idle.
Ya I have cut them apart like that before. It's something that get over looked a lot. I will have to save some filters up and do a video on measuring the element
Great video Rob, I really enjoyed and understood your explanation of what is considered a good or bad quality oil filter and why. Hopefully you made a similar video for fuel filters as well. Keep up the great work.
I came here also to request one on fuel filters. For example, I'm wondering if the $30 chinese 1R-0749 filters are anything close to actual CAT brand/baldwin.
When I bought my 92 Dodge with 12 valve . I got a notice from cummins or Dodge said do not use Fram filters and other cheap filters they will come a part and clog your oil galleries and that was in 92 !!
That would be ph3976 I think since then it’s ph3976A and the A means adjusted. So whatever the problem was fixed. Still private diesel truck companies still recommend doing short OCI’s when running that filter and it’s not a bad filter. It’s just not for the long-haul like some other filters.
Great job describing about the inlet holes in the base plates. Just bought some Baldwin filters for 8.00 US on Amazon. I am using the Donaldson Blue filters now, good filters also. Thanks for the video.
Fleetguard is the filter division of Cummins. I heard they make a lot of Mopar filters too, as well as several other private labels. Those Pennzoil and Fram filters might use the old cellulose filter media that people started making like a hundred years ago but nowadays is only in a few maker's budget models.
I agree build quality, such as bonding of media to end plates, is a factor. The top plate port size and quantity, too is important. The biggest factor however is quality of media. It’s less about pleat density and more about filtration. All oil filter media, at least of decent quality, has an SAE rating for filter efficiency. They will all provide an “absolute rating”, which defines the largest particles allowed to flow through media. They then will publish a 95+% efficiency rating which can vary, though it will all be at least 95%. That Baldwin, which is cellulose media, is 30 micron absolute, 12 micron @95%, per Baldwin. Fleetguard, also a cellulose media, is 40 micron absolute 15 micron @95%. Wix I do not have the specs but it’s also a cellulose media and I believe similar spec to Baldwin. My personal favorite is Donaldson, though they make 2 versions for Cummins 5.9/6.7L. The White line is cellulose media, 40 micron absolute and 20 microns @99%. The Donaldson Blue line is synthetic media; 30 micron absolute and 15 micron @99%. I’d suggest the Donaldson Blue as the best oil filter available but the Baldwin is a good 2nd option. If you’re using Fram, Pennzoil, Purilator or similar, I’m betting truck is a lease 🤣
The Balwin is a 5 micron in factory location and before that one I use a big Baldwin is a water separator with a drain and past that one I have a Cat filter is a 2 micron filter and it seams to work great .
Sir I worked for a utility company that had a diesel power plant . It has since been dismantled but it had some really big diesel engines there and I think the filters were Baldwin . I pretty sure that napa is wix also . I use lube finer filters on my truck and so far no problems that I know of . Many years ago I was told that not to use a certain filter because it came apart and stopped up the cooling jets . But that was a long time ago so that was surely fixed
I get the see filters kill engine a monthly basis. sad that it still happen but it does. I tell guys what i know and if they listen then perfect. if not i just hope they don't have an issue
Have you tought of doing a video comparing the donaldson blue 15micron(DBL7349) filter to the mopar/fleetguard and baldwin. Maybe run them on the same engine/oil and get coldstart and hot presure numbers.
I like what I am seeing! I will make sure to get a good quality oil filter! I did not see any title on your youtube and wondered if you already discussed which diesel oil brand will be better similar to this video? Many thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@Jason , those major companies don't sell their filters on Amazon. These are fake filters sold by random companies that do not buy from factory direct. Try to get a proof from these companies that their products not fake, you would not be able to. I already tried and got responses that they have no proof that their products real. I get emails from 100s of companies that sell their products on Amazon asking me for fake review to posted on Amazon. Also, a lot of major companies give permission to other companies to use their names on fake products. Buy directly from factory or reputable resellers, not Amazon.
Very good video I use Mopar ones or fleetguard. Wait till you see what Wix is doing to their filters-now a 51085 old ones had six holes in them now the new style only has four
I see your good on Cummins engine’s I’m doing the head gasket repair 12v Cummins and done the head studs when I was on my Final torque one of them made a piping noise do you know if that’s normal? All torque down right and holding and bolt holes were chased and cleaned and air ran into each hole..
I'm going to go with Baldwin 3 pack for 25 on Amazon. Was thinking about the supposed best Donaldson but just not as good of a deal. Running a mobile 1 now on the 24v Cummins. Wonder how it stacks up.
Fleetguard is all i have ever put on my Cummins,,never had an issue and i have 2 truck that went over 1 million KM's and still running,my 96 is still going,my 2002 6 speed is still going,my 07 Megacab,,well engine is still great,,injectors not so much,,
@@GorillaWithThemGuns I use 21 century technology oil filters, best stuff money can buy. Synthetic oil filters with 20 microns ratings or less. I do not own 50s car to run 50s oil filter technology.
@@CUTTERUPROB cool sounds good. I'm trying to learn more about reliability and fuel mileage mods for the 12 valve specially focused on applications running w90. You have a lot of great content pertaining to 12 valves and waste oil already. Appreciate your work
Awesome video, I have a 5.0 Cummins. I run AMMS oil signature series diesel oil. I'm using a Fleetgaurd LF17517. Would you run that filter if it was your truck? Is a better option out there? I'm thinking WIX but I havn't found any thing that would suggest Wix is better than Fleetguard
All good filters. But I would put a bypass filter on it. Those engines like to eat themselves for some reason. Never really got into trying to figure out why
@@CUTTERUPROB everything I've found is they like to chew up the crank and main bearings if you try to go much past 5k on an oil change. I'm thinking it must have something to do with the emissions on this engine. I'm running AMMS oil signature, I change it every 3k and send a sample to Blackstone labs. So far everything looks good at 54k miles
@@john79da ya I have seen a couple apart all with main bearing issues. Oil changes do seem to make a difference that’s way I would do the bypass filter. Try to keep that oil as clean as you can
@@CUTTERUPROB absolutely clean oil is key to these 5.0 Cummins engines. Also people by these trucks and treat them as if they are a 1 ton truck, they are not. They can tow more than a 1/2 ton truck yes absolutely but you can not hook 20,000 pounds to them and try and pull it up a mountain. You will break the crankshaft in half. With that said they don't like a big tune either, if you need 400hp then you should have bought a 6.7 Cummins plan and simple
It's been discovered that the new Cummins engine needs to run T5 10W-30 Synthetic Blend (NOT 15W-40 or 5W-40) due to the increased amount of port holes, and smaller in size, in the block. I had a buddy of mine find this out the hard way. His motor blew up. According to him, the dealership informed him after it was too late. But research it. My info is more or less hear-say. Definitely talk to your dealership.
@@kellymichael7362 I was at the CMEP (Columbus Midrange Engine Plant) in 2019 and Cummins engineering says 5W-40 is fine so long as it meets CK-4 API. 10W-30 is too low of viscosity, IMAO.
@@walterk1221 I agree about the 10w30. As mentioned, my info was 2nd hand. I haven’t personally talked to anyone about this. You’re the first. My engine is a ‘12 model, so it’s not a concern for me at this time. I use 5w40 in it like I do in my 12v. But it’s good to hear from somebody “in the know”. Thnx
@@kellymichael7362 you are very welcome. And I will also state that 10W-30 is the "recommended" viscosity per the owner manual. I live in southern Nevada and prefer the 5W-40 due to our summer temperatures. That was why I asked the question about viscosity.
So would the Mopar still be considered a good quality filter? The reason l ask is l just completed my first oil change on my brand new ram 3500 with 8,500 miles and replaced it with another new mopar filter like it came with from the factory. After watching Robs video, l will considering using Baldwin filters filters moving forward.
We have a couple QSK-60 Cummins that are part of a generator set and we were told to use Fleetguard and fleetguard only or the warranty will be void. That being said I only use the Mopar brand filters on my truck which I will assume are Fleetguard. I was given a WIX filter by someone but dont think I want to use it at all
I can’t believe someone would try to save 5 bucks on something that protects they’re 10 thousand dollar engine?? Fleet guard, Donaldson, Baldwin, Wix are all reasonably priced and are good quality and most have a premium offering for a couple bucks more?
Why do you filter testers never look at the fleetgard stratapore filters? We already know that fleetgard makes the mopar filter that you buy at walmart. Stratapore is top shelf and if you dont know, Fleetgard is the filtration division of Cummins. Cant go wrong here.
My mopar filter saved my bacon nothing got past it when I made a boo boo on my new 25k engine i thought it was a good idea to modify the pump to prime it not a good idea it ate itself
Mate, when you make a video, can you get to the point and not spam the crap out of it with ads please. I understand you can do what you want, it’s your video channel, but I just want to learn the info, not have all the in between s of you u loading a box and then getting smashed with ads. Cheers
Have you had any experience with napa/wix (5)7620XE Extra Efficiency oil filters? I think that’s what I’m gonna run on my cummins when I start driving it regularly.
Big fan of Donaldson Blue or Amsoil as their filters have much better media and filtration is superior. Just re-did my 5.9. It’ll be getting the Amsoil bypass filter setup with the full flow changed at each oil change and bypass every second. The thickness of the media is called loft.
The guys who click on this video already run good filters and enjoy learning more about mechanical elements. The people who need to see this video most, will never click on this. It is the conundrum of life
true story
Welll said
I never understood the foolishness of buying expensive diesels and then buying bargain filters to save money. Working in the field for many years I noticed by far the most common filters on commercial engines was Baldwin and second was Napa gold/Wix (oil, fuel, and air) Good video.
Definitely solid knowledge. I've compared filters that came off my truck. If you cut the filter media off in a neat manner and unroll it and measure, you'll see that you actually get more media in the better brands. In 2 of mine that cut open the difference was by more than 11 inches in length at the same height. As you said the Napa (wix) filter is restricted. My truck would cold start at over 100 psi of oil pressure on my mechanical guage and cruise at about 85psi. I changed filters and now I see about 55-60 at cruise, 39-40 at idle.
Ya I have cut them apart like that before. It's something that get over looked a lot. I will have to save some filters up and do a video on measuring the element
Great video Rob, I really enjoyed and understood your explanation of what is considered a good or bad quality oil filter and why. Hopefully you made a similar video for fuel filters as well. Keep up the great work.
I came here also to request one on fuel filters. For example, I'm wondering if the $30 chinese 1R-0749 filters are anything close to actual CAT brand/baldwin.
When I bought my 92 Dodge with 12 valve . I got a notice from cummins or Dodge said do not use Fram filters and other cheap filters they will come a part and clog your oil galleries and that was in 92 !!
That would be ph3976 I think since then it’s ph3976A and the A means adjusted. So whatever the problem was fixed. Still private diesel truck companies still recommend doing short OCI’s when running that filter and it’s not a bad filter. It’s just not for the long-haul like some other filters.
Great job describing about the inlet holes in the base plates. Just bought some Baldwin filters for 8.00 US on Amazon. I am using the Donaldson Blue filters now, good filters also. Thanks for the video.
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What's the best way to find the part# for the oil filter for a 2000 isx 450?
Fleetguard is the filter division of Cummins. I heard they make a lot of Mopar filters too, as well as several other private labels. Those Pennzoil and Fram filters might use the old cellulose filter media that people started making like a hundred years ago but nowadays is only in a few maker's budget models.
I agree build quality, such as bonding of media to end plates, is a factor. The top plate port size and quantity, too is important. The biggest factor however is quality of media. It’s less about pleat density and more about filtration. All oil filter media, at least of decent quality, has an SAE rating for filter efficiency. They will all provide an “absolute rating”, which defines the largest particles allowed to flow through media. They then will publish a 95+% efficiency rating which can vary, though it will all be at least 95%.
That Baldwin, which is cellulose media, is 30 micron absolute, 12 micron @95%, per Baldwin. Fleetguard, also a cellulose media, is 40 micron absolute 15 micron @95%. Wix I do not have the specs but it’s also a cellulose media and I believe similar spec to Baldwin.
My personal favorite is Donaldson, though they make 2 versions for Cummins 5.9/6.7L. The White line is cellulose media, 40 micron absolute and 20 microns @99%. The Donaldson Blue line is synthetic media; 30 micron absolute and 15 micron @99%.
I’d suggest the Donaldson Blue as the best oil filter available but the Baldwin is a good 2nd option.
If you’re using Fram, Pennzoil, Purilator or similar, I’m betting truck is a lease 🤣
The Balwin is a 5 micron in factory location and before that one I use a big Baldwin is a water separator with a drain and past that one I have a Cat filter is a 2 micron filter and it seams to work great .
You are speaking about fuel filters.
I ues danaldson blue filters for my 5.9 cummins they work great
Sir I worked for a utility company that had a diesel power plant . It has since been dismantled but it had some really big diesel engines there and I think the filters were Baldwin . I pretty sure that napa is wix also . I use lube finer filters on my truck and so far no problems that I know of . Many years ago I was told that not to use a certain filter because it came apart and stopped up the cooling jets . But that was a long time ago so that was surely fixed
I get the see filters kill engine a monthly basis. sad that it still happen but it does. I tell guys what i know and if they listen then perfect. if not i just hope they don't have an issue
Have you tought of doing a video comparing the donaldson blue 15micron(DBL7349) filter to the mopar/fleetguard and baldwin. Maybe run them on the same engine/oil and get coldstart and hot presure numbers.
That’s a good idea
Excellent. I use Baldwin for everything if possible
I like what I am seeing! I will make sure to get a good quality oil filter! I did not see any title on your youtube and wondered if you already discussed which diesel oil brand will be better similar to this video? Many thanks for sharing your knowledge!
thanks, i am going to do some video's on oil. just haven't got to them on the list
Baldwins/Parker makes filters for fleetguard, car quest, hastings, John deer, Toro, wix, donaldson, fram, and several others.
Found Baldwin the best and buy in bulk on Amazon for great pricing.
Great tip!
Amazon sells bulk cheap filters ,because they are not genuine.
@@repairvehicle Really -How do you know this?
@Jason , those major companies don't sell their filters on Amazon. These are fake filters sold by random companies that do not buy from factory direct. Try to get a proof from these companies that their products not fake, you would not be able to. I already tried and got responses that they have no proof that their products real. I get emails from 100s of companies that sell their products on Amazon asking me for fake review to posted on Amazon. Also, a lot of major companies give permission to other companies to use their names on fake products. Buy directly from factory or reputable resellers, not Amazon.
Best oil filter for Cummins is Donaldson dbl7349 99% filtration at 15micron Second is fleetgaurd 16035 filter which is 20 micron I believe
as long as you replace them best they go on flow bypass yep
At oil change intervals Donaldson and fleetguard says to replace them?
HOW BOUT THE FLEETGUARD 9028 VENTURI STYLE???
i use Baldwin on my 13 6.7 and she perfect for years
Very good video I use Mopar ones or fleetguard. Wait till you see what Wix is doing to their filters-now a 51085 old ones had six holes in them now the new style only has four
Sounds about right. Cheap junk
We’ll yeah the baldwins usually have finer micron rating so obviously needs more oil pushed through but just as restrictive
What is your opinion on the lifetime reusable hubb fillters? They claim that it increases oil pressure.
The idea is good. But most people are to lazy to clean something like that.
I see your good on Cummins engine’s I’m doing the head gasket repair 12v Cummins and done the head studs when I was on my Final torque one of them made a piping noise do you know if that’s normal? All torque down right and holding and bolt holes were chased and cleaned and air ran into each hole..
Ya sometimes you will get that. Make sure you have all the threads top and bottom are lubed well and the washer. Loosen that one and re torque
I'm going to go with Baldwin 3 pack for 25 on Amazon. Was thinking about the supposed best Donaldson but just not as good of a deal. Running a mobile 1 now on the 24v Cummins. Wonder how it stacks up.
both filters are a great choice
i run LF9028 filters in my truck
ANY ISSUES? OIL PRESSURE MAINTAINS STEAD LIKE USE OF STANDARD FILTERS?
@@farva75089 no issue
Fleetguard is all i have ever put on my Cummins,,never had an issue and i have 2 truck that went over 1 million KM's and still running,my 96 is still going,my 2002 6 speed is still going,my 07 Megacab,,well engine is still great,,injectors not so much,,
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Fleetguard has two flavors filters, garbage and quality.
@@repairvehicle so what do you run wise guy ? Baldwin looks good on my red wagon
@@GorillaWithThemGuns I use 21 century technology oil filters, best stuff money can buy. Synthetic oil filters with 20 microns ratings or less.
I do not own 50s car to run 50s oil filter technology.
Got any for fuel filters? Specifically for running w90 oil
On my second tank now
I will be doing some videos in the up coming weeks in it. I just hav wot get the s10 I am working on done first
@@CUTTERUPROB cool sounds good. I'm trying to learn more about reliability and fuel mileage mods for the 12 valve specially focused on applications running w90. You have a lot of great content pertaining to 12 valves and waste oil already. Appreciate your work
Awesome video, I have a 5.0 Cummins. I run AMMS oil signature series diesel oil. I'm using a Fleetgaurd LF17517. Would you run that filter if it was your truck? Is a better option out there? I'm thinking WIX but I havn't found any thing that would suggest Wix is better than Fleetguard
All good filters. But I would put a bypass filter on it. Those engines like to eat themselves for some reason. Never really got into trying to figure out why
@@CUTTERUPROB everything I've found is they like to chew up the crank and main bearings if you try to go much past 5k on an oil change. I'm thinking it must have something to do with the emissions on this engine. I'm running AMMS oil signature, I change it every 3k and send a sample to Blackstone labs. So far everything looks good at 54k miles
@@john79da ya I have seen a couple apart all with main bearing issues. Oil changes do seem to make a difference that’s way I would do the bypass filter. Try to keep that oil as clean as you can
@@CUTTERUPROB absolutely clean oil is key to these 5.0 Cummins engines. Also people by these trucks and treat them as if they are a 1 ton truck, they are not. They can tow more than a 1/2 ton truck yes absolutely but you can not hook 20,000 pounds to them and try and pull it up a mountain. You will break the crankshaft in half. With that said they don't like a big tune either, if you need 400hp then you should have bought a 6.7 Cummins plan and simple
Yes napa are wix mostly but not all
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So , im assuming this is for 5.9/6.7 cummins , can you run Cat filters on a cummins , if so what part #
likely could, i have no idea on the part number
Cat has no advantage over other quality filters
@@repairvehicle cool 😎
What oil do you recommend for a 2021 Cummins?
Any high oil is fine. But I do recommend running a oil additive like fr3 from hotshots secrets ( after break in )
It's been discovered that the new Cummins engine needs to run T5 10W-30 Synthetic Blend (NOT 15W-40 or 5W-40) due to the increased amount of port holes, and smaller in size, in the block. I had a buddy of mine find this out the hard way. His motor blew up. According to him, the dealership informed him after it was too late. But research it. My info is more or less hear-say. Definitely talk to your dealership.
@@kellymichael7362 I was at the CMEP (Columbus Midrange Engine Plant) in 2019 and Cummins engineering says 5W-40 is fine so long as it meets CK-4 API. 10W-30 is too low of viscosity, IMAO.
@@walterk1221 I agree about the 10w30. As mentioned, my info was 2nd hand. I haven’t personally talked to anyone about this. You’re the first. My engine is a ‘12 model, so it’s not a concern for me at this time. I use 5w40 in it like I do in my 12v. But it’s good to hear from somebody “in the know”. Thnx
@@kellymichael7362 you are very welcome. And I will also state that 10W-30 is the "recommended" viscosity per the owner manual. I live in southern Nevada and prefer the 5W-40 due to our summer temperatures. That was why I asked the question about viscosity.
Baldwin is Hastings...from what i was told Baldwin bought out Hastings
Mopar material is yellow if you cut open and unused one. Not a newer synthetic material.
That I didn’t know
@@CUTTERUPROB HES RIGHT
So would the Mopar still be considered a good quality filter? The reason l ask is l just completed my first oil change on my brand new ram 3500 with 8,500 miles and replaced it with another new mopar filter like it came with from the factory. After watching Robs video, l will considering using Baldwin filters filters moving forward.
We have a couple QSK-60 Cummins that are part of a generator set and we were told to use Fleetguard and fleetguard only or the warranty will be void. That being said I only use the Mopar brand filters on my truck which I will assume are Fleetguard. I was given a WIX filter by someone but dont think I want to use it at all
fleet guard filter is filters and are not expensive
I can’t believe someone would try to save 5 bucks on something that protects they’re 10 thousand dollar engine?? Fleet guard, Donaldson, Baldwin, Wix are all reasonably priced and are good quality and most have a premium offering for a couple bucks more?
Why do you filter testers never look at the fleetgard stratapore filters? We already know that fleetgard makes the mopar filter that you buy at walmart. Stratapore is top shelf and if you dont know, Fleetgard is the filtration division of Cummins.
Cant go wrong here.
My mopar filter saved my bacon nothing got past it when I made a boo boo on my new 25k engine i thought it was a good idea to modify the pump to prime it not a good idea it ate itself
I just bought Hastings for the d max I feel better after watching
hastings are a good filters
Thanks for this
Awesome thanks so much for sharing Oil filter Really important thanks again
Thanks for watching
The holes are based on micron rating
Donaldson or Baldwin for me.
time for me to cut open a luberfiner filter and see what is inside.
Thanks great information
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WHY NO OIL BYPASS VALVE IN THOSE FILTERS?
Bypass is built into the oil filter housing
I never used a fram after i saw the elements stuck together with sticky tape on a element type canister filter.just not worth it.rubbish
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thanks dude
Yr missing a cat filter
i didn't have one but i will do a filter on one, thats a good idea
Ohh and fram are made in Israel...sooo yeah say no more haha cheap
Mate, when you make a video, can you get to the point and not spam the crap out of it with ads please. I understand you can do what you want, it’s your video channel, but I just want to learn the info, not have all the in between s of you u loading a box and then getting smashed with ads. Cheers
It’s you tube puts the ads in the videos. The little bit of money I make from the ads does help pay for a some of stuff I use in the video’s.
U can buy a tube subscription that allows u to avoid the ads. U entitled?
Have you had any experience with napa/wix (5)7620XE Extra Efficiency oil filters? I think that’s what I’m gonna run on my cummins when I start driving it regularly.
I haven’t but the better the filter you can run better off you are