Jay Leno on His Feud with Jimmy Kimmel
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A can’t miss conversation with the great Jay Leno, where Bill Maher and Jay share hilarious stories like Jay’s true feelings about his beef with Jimmy Kimmel, the time Jay took toilet paper as payment for a stand-up gig, why Jay hid in the closet and eavesdropped on NBC execs during the Tonight Show drama, what NBC told Jay when they fired him, what made the blind guy who climbed Mount Everest furious, and Jay’s dinner with Gorbachev.
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Finally, one of these guys gives Ferguson the credit he deserves. He was the true inheritor to Letterman, in terms of creativity, uniqueness, and risk-taking. To this day, he's the only other one of them who even tried to do something truly different. I still miss watching Craig and Geoff every night.
Craig Ferguson is still my favorite late night show. So underrated
Furguson was the only comedian that got a real laugh out if Williams.
I've always wondered why Letterman didn't get any shit for why Ferguson didn't get his show. If Letterman supposedly was Carson's heir apparent why wasn't Ferguson considered Letterman's? And btw Conan SUCKS. He never should've gotten the tonight show at all.
Yes, Ferguson actually had real conversations with his guests.
@@jefflandreneau7027 when letterman left they killed the show
Craig Ferguson to James Corden has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of mankind 😂
FOR REAL🤣
here here
Falon is the worst
I liked Craig, because he came off as actually trying to talk to the guest, rather than just ask the same questions. I loved that he just ripped up the blue card full of notes.
I feel like half the time I saw Craig with guests they didn't even talk about what they were there to promote, and that's great! Made me actually like the guest which in turn made me care about the thing being promoted.
Yeah before they talked he would rip up the notes
I was a Conan fan and the first time I came across Craig was when he was interviewing Kristin Davis and it was so light, funny and interesting- I immediately started watching Ferguson after that
Talk? He talked all over them, and just wouldn't shut the fuck up!
He would have someone in his show trying to promote their thing and ask them if they wanted to talk about that, some got confused, since that was probably the whole point, he said "we don't have to do that, unless you want to, or we can talk about anything you want", and often they did exactly that and you could see the genuine joy in their faces as they chatted about horses or pie or whatever.
They dropped the ball on Craig. Criminally underrated.
I missed that show while it was on unfortunately. But it couldn't last. It was apolitical, unpolished, improvised, and genuinely kind.
It was everything Hollywood hates because it doesn't have a specific formula an exec can take credit for and can't be used to sell whatever propaganda is the topic of the day.
Who's 'they'? Ferguson wasn't cancelled, he quit cuz he didn't want to do it anymore. So what r u talking about?
@@EclecticBuddha WTF are you talking about? "Hollywood" loves ratings - Craig had them but was burned out and wanted to leave.
Sadly, Craigs style of comedy was even more sexually charged than even Conan's, so if definitely wouldn't have played at 11:30.
Craig I think is one of the best. He is actually on the level of Conan as far as I’m concerned. It would be amazing to see Craig, Conan and Andy have a show together.
Ferguson reinvented what it meant to be a late night host. I'm glad Jay said what he said because he did not get the recognition he deserved. A truly phenomenal show.
I've been rewatching Ferguson on youtube a lot lately. God I loved that show. Deconstructed the whole late night thing, just brilliant.
I always thought all these late night hosts were funny except him. He’s the only one I watched where I couldn’t even crack a smile.
@@johnrcornell It sounds like you like the normal stuff - nothing wrong with that.
I get why people like Ferguson but in no way at the time it would have made sense to put him over Conan. Conan is still thriving like crazy in podcasting but I don't hear much about Ferguson. Like Conan in his early career reinvented the talk-show, so did Ferguson but Conan is solid and earned it with it thru years. It's just crazy to watch a spike in Ferguson and cause all that commosion. The way people rallied for Conan to be swindled just proves that it should have been his as promised.
@@johnrcornell sounds like you dont have a sense of humor ....d0uche
I watched them all, Jay, Dave, Conan, Craig. I took them for granted. I didn't realize how lucky we were to have them.
Letterman and Conan are the two best in my opinion
i like jay the best, conan second. dave was annoying and turned into a curmudgeon by the end.
I'm still wondering why Jon Stewart didn't take over for Tom Snyder, because he was very well suited for that job the few times he was the guest host. Jon understood that show very well, and he was one of the few who could've taken over that show and kept Tom's version of it alive for awhile longer.
Craig Ferguson was the one host that made me laugh, and by far the only one that didn't feel stale. He engaged with the guest and you could see him making them either weird them out or almost pass out by laughter.
Craig was amazing and I was super bummed when he ended up parting ways with the Late Late Show. He's just a very funny off the cuff comedian and perfect for those late show formats. It's kind of a crime that he was followed up with James Corden. Personally, I think Craig shouldve gotten a shot at the big job. Or just stayed with his old show. Either way, I miss seeing Craig every night.
@@jayg339 James Corden killed the show, he's just not funny at all. Craig could interview anyone without any writing or PR team telling him what to ask. Yeah he's missed.
There's no longer any tonight shows, just political mouthpieces.
Very under rated. I put him right behind Carson, O'Brien, and Letterman
The NBC executives hated Letterman because since he started at NBC in the 1970s, he relentlessly made fun of them, live on air 😆
And when they asked him to host an event for the network, or tickets for an executive's son to come to a taping of his show, Letterman would turn them down. And yet he was shocked when *NBC* chose Jay as Carson's successor. Amazing how a guy that talented and smart could be so dense.
@@gallery7596NBC is corrupt you mean
and that why letterman went to cbs to host the late show
He made fun of CBS all the time too. But they happily paid him more than Leno ever got from NBC.
No way. There are stories of letterman behind the scenes. He is a nasty person.
Craig Ferguson was absolutely, hands down the funniest of them all.
Came across to me as a puppet show host.
i tried watching him many times. never found it funny. but, to each their own, I wasnt going to bash him for it.
Well... I don't know about "hands down"... Letterman, Ferguson, and Conan are all brilliant in their own ways. They all pushed the boundaries. Today? I think Kimmel tries to... and has grown to be a relaxed, excellent talk show host. He's not afraid to speak out and that lack of fear makes him pretty great, too.
I think maybe because I’m English/ Aussie I found Craig’s humour more relatable. He’s slightly insane and had such great interaction with his guests especially other comedians, it comes across as natural and unrehearsed, and makes me laugh uncontrollably. It’s a personal opinion and living in Oz we didn’t get a lot of Conan though I’ve seen snippets on the internet and he seems to have the spontaneity that is a little lacking in some of the other more scripted late night shows.
I still like to watch Crag Ferguson interviews, he's just so good at talking to people and making it funny for the audience
Craig Ferguson was the best late night host...his show made me laugh way harder than any other show
In the battle of the douches, he was the biggest douche
Why you tslking about craig who cares
Still watch Craig's clips on UA-cam. Loved that show!!!
............huh? Lol
Carson and Leno were the best the rest were just wannabes who thought they were funny including that poc stern
Holy f, this is first time IN MY LIFE I've seen someone actually acknowledge Craig. That dude is seriously the greatest talk show host there ever was and in my opinion, probably will be. So natural, smooth and funny.
Hes no talk show host and makes the viewer and guests feel so uncomfy.
Agreed, Craig Ferguson is easily my favorite talk show host of all time after Johnny Carson and no one else is even close. Nothing touches his interviews with Robin Williams, Russell Brand, etc. He had the talk show thing figured out and threw out the rules and just had conversations with his guests. GOAT.
@@maxsavage3998 Nonsense.
@@maxsavage3998 you obviously never seen much, it's the complete opposite
@@redmint4894 Carson #1 -- Ferguson # 2 Conan # 3 Leno # 4 Letterman # 5
I always wanted a late night show hosted by Conan, where Norm Macdonald was always the first guest, and then there’d be another guest after that, I suppose…
Compared to those two Kimmel sucks
Yeah, Norm and Conan was peak late night talk show.
Craig Ferguson is my favorite all time late night host
Still perhaps the only one constantly giving credit to Ferguson and recognising that he actually had become a real threat to the other hosts becuz he was simply so damn goood!!
A lot of people give credit to Ferguson. I think Letterman thought a lot of him.
I agree, Ferguson was a breath of fresh air in late night. Scratching my head as to why they didn’t move him into a Letterman’s slot, but I heard it was in his contract that when Letterman retired he took over or they would pay him a huge buyout, so good for Craig.
Funny how Leno forgets that he wasn't number one for years when he first got the Tonight Show. It wasn't till the Hugh Grant interview did Leno become number one. Conan had six months.
@@monotech20.14 The tv scene in 2008 was very different compared to 1992 when Jay took over.
Only one…huh? 😂
Ferguson was a BEAST. Incredibly funny, innovative and had the power to show the network execs his collection of avians.
Hey, hey, hey...let's not bring the damn birs into this whole thing!
Leno spends the whole interview denying Kimmel’s allegation that Jay was scheming to get his old show back, and then in the next breath he answers “let’s just play this out and see what happens” in regards to why he didn’t go to another network.
Yeah and I have seen interviews after this originally happened, I think the 60 minutes interview, where he keeps saying NBC wouldn't let him out of his contract. Now here he says he's loyal and let's see what happens? I am not saying Conan is all righteous and clean either, I know he lobbied for the Tonight Show and wanted Jay out, but you announced you were leaving, then stuck around to wait it out, went wherever they told you, then came back and took the Tonight Show again. Not one person in this whole debacle had any brains. It was a mess and NBC, Jay and Conan are all to blame. Conan less than the others, but still what a shit show.
@@watchreport RE: "but you announced you were leaving,"
But let's remember this wasn't his idea. *NBC* wanted Jay to publicly congratulate Conan.
RE: "...then stuck around to wait it out,"
Even when this plan was revealed in 2004, Jay couldn't just walk away. He was only half way through his then current contract. Now Conan could've left early in 2006 and had a show at *FOX,* but he chose to green light *NBC's* weird 5 year plan (something Jay was not even informed of until after the decision was made).
RE: "...then came back and took the Tonight Show again."
Conan chose to resign. Why should Jay not accept an offer to return to the show that Conan's deal originally took away from him?
Though this was primarily *NBC's* fault, Conan's at least as responsible for that debacle as Jay was.
@@gallery7596 Sure Conan chose to leave. NBC stabbed him in the back with Jay's help. He was promised The Tonight Show...not the Tomorrow Show. And having a 10PM talk show lead-in undermined Conan on The Tonight Show at 11:35. I am fairly certain the NBC execs were expecting this outcome from the beginning. I blame NBC for cooking up this scheme and also blame Jay for being a willing part of it. I find nothing that Jay has said here persuasive. And I don't see how you blame Conan...at all. He wanted The Tonight Show and made it known to NBC. NBC could have refused and told Conan he had a job on Late Night for as long as he wanted, but they wanted to keep Jay on the Tonight Show. Conan would have probably left NBC. That isn't his fault. Instead, NBC hatched this scheme to try to have it both ways. They knew Jay at 10:00PM wasn't going to work and it would only serve to tank Conan's ratings on The Tonight Show at 11:35. Jay knew it too. Either way it would give NBC what it wanted...Jay back on the air at 11:35. And they wanted Jay on at 11:35 more than they wanted Conan at NBC. What stinks here is the way NBC handled it. Jay knew what was going on and went along with it.
@@watchreport Chris Rock said the smartest thing about it in regrads to Conan. He said Conan had lousy lawyers because any smart lawyer would have made sure the contract was very clear and iron clad. Instead he had a contract that didn't specify time slots which created a loophole for NBC to get around.
@@AllGrainHomeBrewingJay owes him nothing. Conan schemes to get Lenos #1 rates show and gets paid millions to go away after failing but Lenos the bad guy? Also, Leno could mean see what happens as far as maybe the prime time show would succeed.
Craig was the only host I watched as a teen. Easily the funniest and most outrageous.
i watched this guy called conan i think? maybe youve heard of him
that style wouldn't work at 11:30
Leno needs his own denim brand
Need to get Kimmel, Conan, Jay, Dave along with some old TV Execs to hash this out on live TV. Ratings would be bonkers.
No they wouldn't. Late nite is dead. TV in general is dying. Nobody gives a crap anymore.
Remember: don’t blame Conan.
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 But really we can blame Conan.
I would watch that, ‘specially since I had no clue what was going on at the time. But I like history.
@@lcflngn Start by watching the movie, I think it was called 'Late Night'. it's about the time when NBC chose Leno over Letterman to be Carson's replacement; Jay is talking about it in the beginning of this video
I'll be honest... I was a conan guy. Him and Craig were on at the same time and I made my choice. Now that conan is off the air I can go back and watch Craig Ferguson clips. He was great. They both were.
"There were a lot of executives that did not like Letterman" thats a true mark of distinction. This just makes me miss Dave even more
Letterman went from a good host, to just an annoying old fart with a chip on his shoulder because he got caught cheating on his wife.
yep. often when people are really good at what they do, or at the very least are very true to themselves, others wont like them. because they are "difficult"
Yet. Jay year after year beat Letterman in the ratings. What idiots those execs were.
Not staying for "The Tonight Show" was the best decision Dave ever made. He wasn't going to have an easy time of it at *NBC.*
@@patricklemire9278 Woah he beat him in cable ratings?
Cable which is now dead?
Cable which is now looked at as irrelevant slop for low brow goons who shouldn't have freedom of choice beyond their pre-approved channels?
Yeah, shut up.
David Letterman is and always will be an original and a legend.
Jay Leno is a hack
Part of the story I think get's overlooked in the Johnny-Dave-Jay saga that Jay mentions here, is that Johnny was frequently gone in the last years. Jay was the "permanent" guest host and did over 300 episodes in the final years of Johnny's tenure. Some folks like to say it was always Dave's, but if you're a "permanent" guest host of a show for 300 episodes, why can't you make a run for it too?
It was never Dave's. He just thought it should be for some reason.
Johnny disliked Leno and was not HIS choice to take over the show.
always loved Conan . his Conan needs a friend podcast is great . he's just naturally funny .
100%
Yes indeed 😀
I’m Team Conan 100% too
Team Conan! 100%
Conan
Very good discussion - very relaxed. Great to get Jay's take on this.
Jay trusts Bill
Jay Leno should have a been a bit more honest and basically say that he is a businessman first and he made a business decision. Case closed
In other words, it sounds like if he were a golfer, he'd be playing on the, 'Liv and Let Die,' tour
@@buckchile614 You wouldnt?
it's not show friends, it's show business 100%
He fought for the tonight show and won. Letterman also fought for it but was seen as a worse choice. He never wanted to leave the tonight show and filled in when Conan's run ended. I don't know why he is considered some villain. The only sketchy thing was hiding in closers and spying on meetings.
@@muximus2771 In my present situation, probably. But, I'm not well off enough, like those that chose to go. Greed is a sin too, although Fox only recognizes envy. Again, w/ only half the story
Bill is so spot-on; thanks for bring up Ageism.
I did infrequently watch the tonight show years ago but I was never a devoted fan. Having said that, I’ve always believed that Leno, at his very core, is a very good guy. I’m glad he addressed this because people have been making public statements and have shared their perspective on the shake up and Jay has never spoken about how things unfolded from his side; at least he hasn’t, to my knowledge. I sincerely wish him well. I think he’s one of the good ones and he’s lasted because he does his own thing and keeps to himself and leaves the chatter and the back biting to those who want to participate in it.
Completely agree. I think he may have an issue with saying 'no' when asked for a favor; and NBC really pushed that and left an unwarranted bruise on his legacy for their efforts. I guess people can argue that "Jay could've prevented a lot of this" - but so could have a LOT of other people involved. Just happens that Jay is the biggest & most successful of them all.
It was tough seeing such a genuinely nice guy just getting beat up constantly during that period just because NBC couldn't let go(or just be honest with Conan and tell him that they didn't want to give him the seat; NO BALLS from NBC execs though, they hid behind Jay...).
@@RyTrapp0 Exactly! Had Jay declined, NBC would have continued to try and find a better fit than Conan as the ratings took a nose dive after he took Jay's spot. Too bad Conan can't admit that. As much as he appears to treat his staff well by always mentioning them publicly, doesn't mean Jay didn't. Like you said, he's a quiet man and caught hell when it wasn't warranted. Him stating that his ratings were much better in that time slot wasn't a lie or grandstanding, which so many misconstrue.
Leno is a two-faced, lying POS……….good to see he has you fooled, too 👍If you’re just some guy on a park bench, he’s the nicest guy ever……….but if he feels you are even remotely funny or a challenge to him, then he’s a backstabbing a-hole!
Jay is acting dumb and pretending like he had no agency or ability to make decisions, and things just happen to him and around him. "Oh shucks I'm just a hick from a small town, I just do what these big boy Hollywood executives tell me to do, I had no idea what was going on or what would happen." I don't buy the act. He knew exactly what was going on, and what would happen. He made deliberate choices. Then acts like he can't be judged by his choices, and it is as if he was just a leaf on the wind and it's everybody else's fault.
Saw Leno do a two hour standup in a small theatre and had the place rocking. Never used one swear word…not one. Class act.
He does 2 hours every Sunday in Hermosa Beach CA. It is so bad. I mean I guess it's ok for people 70 and up but that's about it. I took my mom and she had fun.
Yes, I believe he just started hosting the tonight show when he rolled thru Dayton for a Saturday night personal appearance. Clean and very funny. I'm old enough to remember Jack Parr and Johnny Carson. Johnny was amazing. But yes, Jay was a class act as well!
@@jesseycutter371 maybe you didn't UNDERSTAND the jokes!
Seinfeld said that swearing was a crutch (i'm paraphrasing)
It can be, but so can being “clean”
No one seems to have commented, but Jay thought of his crew and saw an opportunity for them to keep their income for at least two more years no matter the outcome of his 10pm show. For some on his staff that might have been enough time to make it to retirement, or for others to double their income for a time to save enough for a down payment on a house, or pay for their kids collage education. Plus in the end, that staff ended up working several more years than the 2 year guarantee tell Jay retired a 2nd time. It was a good business decision for his staff for sure.
Jay took a multi million dollar pay cut once so that his staff cutbacks wouldn't happen and they could all keep their jobs.
Thats a guy who actually thinks of others instead of the usual self. Getting rare in Hollywierd today I am sure.
yet he copes all the blame for nothing. All I see is Letterman and Conan having a sook like little girls
That’s true, and Conan has done just as much for his people as well.
Jay didn’t seem to care about Conan’s team that relocated to the west coast and then had a garbage lead in.
For my money, Craig Ferguson is the best late night host we’ve had since Johnny. Craig is even over Sullivan.
1. Letterman. (He paved the way. He was the master). 2. tie between Ferguson and Conan. (Conan took some time to get there... but when he's on, he's top shelf). 3. Kimmel (went from Man Show flunky to actually being an unafraid, impactful presence.) .... I do not include Jon Stewart and his disciples in this list... they were different and BRILLIANT. The Daily Show and The Colbert Report were legendary shows.
@@johnmavroudis2054 I gotta disagree on a few points. I couldn’t stand Letterman, I just never found him really funny except for the interviews he did with Harmony, the director of Kids, those were hysterical. Jay wasn’t really my cuppa tea either. For my money it’s Carson, Ferguson, Norm, Leno, Conan, Letterman. I could watch Carson interviews all day long on here. Conan just gets way too annoying for me at times with the voices and stuff, but when he would interact with his staff, that was always good stuff. Ferguson was just brilliant imo, from Geoff to his flirting his way thru interviewing unrealistically gorgeous women to the way you could tell when the guest was a dud, but Craig turned it into a funny as hell talk. The original original Daily Show was ok, once it got overtly one sided politically, I lost interest real quick. Colbert is just awful, his Neo con character was pretty good, but he would take it too far, and now it’s just sad. Kimmel is a bigger joke than Fallon. Talk about overtly political with Kimmel and Colbert now, it’s like they are funded by the DNC and the DNC gets script approval. Going after politicians is good, it’s what they should do, but they treat the Ds like angels who do no wrong while the GOP are all racist scumbags. Then there’s the chunky Brit. Why he’s on TV I’ll never understand.
Letterman >>>>>>>
@@KelticTim If you didn’t find Letterman funny, that disqualifies you from voting.
@@johnmavroudis2054 Good for him, it's meaningless!
5:38 Answer: The Tonight Show has a legacy, has a huge audience and is considered the top spot. That's why he didn't go to Fox or anywhere else. It definitely wasn't loyalty.
You think Dave or Conan would have been as successful as leno at that time?
@@JJ-nu8qi No. They proved that. They both had their shot to be as successful and neither could pull it off. Leno got #1 about a year after taking over for Carson and never surrendered it. Letterman could out pull Leno with a decent guest but that was few and far between.
@@bechtoea Thats my point he was just more likeable for that time slot and audience.
@@JJ-nu8qi Jay was a lot more like Carson than the other two ever were. Those two wanted to host their own style of show. Jay ran his show like he was still guest hosting Johnny's show.
@@bechtoea Conan didn't get a chance. Leno's 10 pm show rapidly dropped off to become a ratings bomb. Leno took over for Carson, who had the only game in town for decades, and then years of benefiting from scripted dramas with good ratings as the pre-news lead-in. Conan had Leno's unwatched show and seven months. Not a recipe for success.
That said I'm honestly not sure if Conan would have ultimately succeeded at 11:35. For most of my life it's been the network time slot where comedy goes to die - played generally safe and extremely repetitive, often with the sensibilities of middle America in mind. Jay's existing audience certainly wasn't tailor-made for Conan. For the show to have found its ratings footing he would have needed time.
Jay was honest and had an interesting story. Bill Maher just likes listening to the sound of his own voice.
Ageist, much? He's a Boomer and you do not like it?? More importantly he's smoking weed and drinking besides. It's his show, his basement and he's high and chatty. Does his hatred of the Orange one bum you out or is it his newer hostility to woke and the Politically correct crowd?
Feud with Kimmel, Feud with Conan, Feud with Stern, Feud with Letterman. Arsenio Hall and Carson never spoke his name once they went off air.
Leno didn't have a feud with any of those guys. It takes two parties to have a feud.
@@stretch54 okay yes you're correct...Leno was too busy counting his $450 million
the common lenominator
Watch Jay's interview with Howie Mandel. Howie is basically livid with Jay on why Jay never explained the real truth about all the Tonight Show drama. The real story with Dave and especially Conan is completely backwards from the narrative accepted by the public. Apparently Jay never wanted to pour gas on the fire, so he never publicly defended himself.
Jay can't help it that these guys never stacked up to what the broadcasting company wanted. Jay gets blamed because the brass wanted Jay and or other people for the 12:30 slot. And stern was an ahole till his new style of interviews after seeking theropy, he was funny but in a total douche kinda way.
Jay was the last of a dying breed. He made fun of both sides, it wasn’t vitriolic.
Uh, almost everyone on late night makes fun of both sides when they deserve it, actually. The left gets flack for their over wokeness (rightly). The right just gets far more ridicule because they are OBJECTIVELY more ridiculous. This is the party that nominated Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger for high level government positions all while “hating Hollywood elites” 🤣
@@Skankhunt42.... you’re an insane person if you think the late night shows today are anything more than propaganda and one sided. It is what it is, I don’t watch. But it’s nothing like it was when it was Leno, Letterman, and Carson
@@captdaddy lol. I’m a sucker for a giant chin, what can I say
I used to stay up late when I was a teenager so I could watch the late late show,Craig will be always be my favourite talk show host
It's actually quite interesting to hear Jay's perspective on this whole thing. I've only ever heard Letterman's.
He only recently started talking about it. I wish him and Conan would reconcile at some point.
yeah it's riveting when Jay runs it back.
Jay was in fact the winner and the most reasonable too. He could have stayed longer or could have signed with a competing network and received a 50million dollar signing bonus but he remained civil and gracefully retreated
It was refreshing to hear Jay's take on the various skirmishes over The Tonight Show. I was a Dave fan. But I have to admit Jay kept that show at Number 1 and took it back to that spot upon his return. I only wish him well.
Also interesting how stupid Maher is when he is high.
Holy shit! Finally someone with credentials gave Craig Ferguson his over due props ! That dude was fascinating! A lady killler……chicks went lo lo over him and he was sharp funny and kick back……
That dude had a mind that worked even faster than Letterman. Which is incredible. I didn't want to like him, but damn! Watching him doing shit gameshows is too depressing. What a waste.
And he was Scottish.
The lady's flirted with him something fierce. It was awesome.
Multiple applicants for a job, 1 winner, rest are bitter about losing the job. Company hires new manager, realize it doesn't work out, ask the old manager back to right the ship. It's just business.
Kimmel has1 fan, and his name is Jimmy kimmel.
Yeah he's the worst ....down there with Chevy Chase and Magic Johnson. Even Fallon is way better....pretty low bar
I have no problem with Jay looking out for himself first. Who wouldn't, that's business. Look out for #1.
Hope Jay Leno is recovering fast after that car fire prayers for him
Yeah he didn’t learn huh. Motorcycles are a lot more dangerous. He isn’t 20 anymore
@@fedfreds832 He seems to be doing alright
Bob Saget? Are you commenting from heaven?
fire prayers usually do the trick
Larry Sanders hands down best late night show host ever. 😊
Hey now!
@@stormbringercoming8105lol. You stole my comment!!!!
This is such a great episode
Can we get conan and letterman on now to tell their side of the story?
What’s been keeping THEM quiet? 😄
If they had a more interesting version they’d have told it by now.
Letterman has told his side many times, despite trying to act like he's too cool to do such things. And he did it publicly on the Late Show, for everybody to see. He's sh*t on Leno repeatedly and with great enthusiasm.
@@JustSomeCanadianGuy and Conan literally made a documentary about it.
@@JustSomeCanadianGuy I meant on the show with Bill just like Jimmy Kimmel told his side.
Yes please
Get Conan and letterman on to tell their side, Kimmel’s dislike for Jay is deeper than just being a “letterman guy”
Kimmel just hates Leno because his best buddy Howard Stern hates Leno too.
no one cares anymore. all of that squabble and bs happened too many years ago for the majority of people to gve a shit about.
In fairness, they have been telling their side of the story for many years. Jay has stayed largely quiet as he usually does. At the end of the day, it was NBC making stupid decisions at the top and then trying to reverse them. A lot of people were mad at Jay because he took back the role of tonight show host for a few years after Conan was let go. However, I've not seen many claim Conan did well on the tonight show. He didn't. There was something off, like they couldn't get going and the writing was on the wall fast. There was a reason NBC let Conan go in the end that can't be blamed on Jay.
In hindsight, it worked out because Conan on TBS was fantastic!!! He was so comfortable there and produced some of the best skits and interviews in the past decade+ of late night TV. He bounced back hard, while Jay retired from hosting and spends his time doing stand up and working on his cars. It worked out lol.
@C L What did Kimmel help Jay with?
It's arrogance. He's one of many comedians who look down at Jay, they think he sucks but can't comprehend that he always was no.1 in ratings.
I’ve always liked Leno. He seems like a stand up guy
Dadum- tiss
2 shaves and a haircut.
Conan might not agree
@@DedicatedSpirit8 shave and a haircut, two bits 🤡 2 shave and a haircut would be four bits and that’s not funny
@@lorcansavage1550 what about 6 shaves and no haircut?
@@DedicatedSpirit8 That’s just barberism. datum-tiss!
I notice a lot of talk show hosts aren’t big fans off Leno. Maybe there’s a reason for that.
YES !......they are ALL Leftists back added jackasses tho Conie Baloney, Mr "Leano AND Fallon are ALL reasonable along w/the Scotsman
Cuz leno was and still is better than them. Except Ferguson.
@@andrew66862 yep true
@@polygaryd that’s not remotely true. Leno was bland and his middle-of-the-road humour didn’t offend, so old people liked him.
Yes. Could be a little jealousy.
Never got Jay or Bills humor, no disrespect to either. No one in my opinion could ever replace Carson. Actually I couldn't care less about all these multimillionaires
Kimmel couldn't hold Fergusons jock strap. Should be Craig at that spot
“So, this is how I pitched it…I mean how it happened”. Jay Leno
Craig was the best, funniest and most entertaining late night show. I miss Craig.
I LOVED Conan in the 90’s, but it got stale in the 2000’s, and then I found Craig Ferguson. Pure genius. Never cared for Jay Leno, but he is a class act who has been painted as a villain.
Ferguson was a nothing. Kimmel isn’t funny, and Jay was a corn ball and backstabber. Conan and Lettermen were the only post Carson talents. I won’t even mention that little mouse on NBC. I will say this Kimmel is the worst of the bunch.
Conan was the best in the 2000’s
@@Paul-dw2cl I dunno. All those classic bits dreamed up in the 90’s were never rivaled after Andy Richter left in 2000. Pimpbot, Masturbating Bear, In the year 2000, Driving his desk, Triumph the insult comic dog, Staring contest, Fake Arnold Schwarzenegger in the live feed. When Richter left, some of that comic chemistry magic went with him. I can’t think of a 2000s era bit that’s as memorable as those early days. Ferguson had amazing chemistry with his guests and a fast wit.
Jay’s a douche.
All these other guys talk trash about Leno, but when you hear him tell his side of the story, it actually makes more sense than the versions slamming him. I'm not even a Leno fan, he's kind of a corn ball to me, but I think he's a decent guy, plays it basically straight. For example, when he was being pursued by ABC, he didn't have to consult w/ Jimmy K. That was a courtesy. He consulted with Conan on the various moves. It IS a ratings game.
...when you watch bill Maher, you realize just how amazing Kyle dunnigan is at impressions
...and how bad Bill is at taking a joke lol
@@muximus2771 or just how awful of a comedian he is lol. I’ve never seen someone try so hard to be edgy and hip.
@@waltersreads You arent wrong. Still take him over most of the douchebag latenight hosts but thats a pretty low bar.
Dann l hahahaha ! Good ONE ! PLUS Little silly Willy billy BIG NOSE sour Maher is so il-informed and low level logic w/low level intellect and comprehension
@@muximus2771 Notice how he turns on a fuc***g dime when his lame-ass jokes go bad? Like the audience are as*hol*s...
Norm MacDonald would have been funnier than all of them.
Craig Ferguson interviewing Kate Mara was pure gold.
The politics of American talk shows is mind boggling to me.
Is it just me or has Leno not really aged in about 20 years?
It’s because he has Benjamin Button Chin Disease
Yes, he turned 70 at 50
he has aged like crazy
He doesn't drink or smoke weed or anything
Poor lighting.
Ferguson was the best guy at that job since Johnny Carson.
Also hands down the best interviewer on any talk show ever.
I love Conan but unless he knows the guest he kinda goes into autopilot during every interview, most guys do.
Conan is still the best with comedians
It's all the same.. bring someone on and talk to them
Nah that's Conan. Ferguson was really godo or a foul asshole. Little in between
@@calholli yeah but some are funnier than others. Amber heard would be good at it
@@kendallandrews8691 I don't think she would make it, her dog did step on a bee you know.
Jay Leno has more class in his little finger than Kimmel has or will ever has in his entire being
He asked Zucker if Letterman has the job. As in 26 year old, 2 years with the company Zucker? I'm supposed to believe that Jay Leno asked some random 26 year old field producer for the Today Show (which he was at the time) who will be the next host of the Tonight Show? And that this same 26 year old field producer actually knew the answer? Okey dokey.
I hate when people make Leno seem like he was evil for doing what he did.
Like Kimmel or Colbert wouldn’t have said yes on the spot if they were offered The Tonight Show at that moment either.
I think it goes beyond that and enters into his undercutting Conan the, 'Red-headed Barbarian'
@@buckchile614
It was an ugly thing, no question about it.
But when Comcast offers you a dump truck of money….. I don’t think anyone would say no.
@@buckchile614 "Undercutting" Conan? Conan, for whatever reason, wasn't getting the expected ratings with the Tonight show. They screwed with the time slot a bit, which was NBC's idea, not Jay's, but it still didn't work. Maybe it was the shift in the market, maybe the writing, my own personal view is that Conan is best when he is being zany. I think his bits and sketches are fondly remembered far more often than his interviews. The tonight show is different. But whatever, it happened, nobody was happy with it, and rather than bet on a new horse they brought back Leno for a little while. If you were offered a gazillion dollars to do something you already know how to do well, are you going to turn it down?
And what if Leno had turned it down, then what? There was already too much blood in the water, Conan was out. NBC simply would have gotten a new host, perhaps Fallon earlier, perhaps someone else, instead of Conan. And for all of Conan's tears, he was paid out an enormous sum for himself and his crew. Reportedly $33 million for Conan, and $12 million to his staff of about 200 people (roughly $65,000 each averaged out...not bad considering a lot of those staffers would go on to work for Conan on TBS.)
But somehow Leno is the bad guy who just refused to give up the Tonight Show...which is an odd assertion given that he would end up giving up the Tonight Show anyway in 2014.
Buckwheat Breath Conie Baloney IS hilarious imo BUT he was a whiney red headed freak on these issues
@@kev3d That money breakdown of what went to Conan and what he paid his staff is really fascinating to read. Where did you come by it?
I was always a devoted fan of The Tonight Show when Carson hosted, but strayed when Jay took over. I only tuned in when he had a guest I wanted to see. Jay was never my cup of tea...a little too corporate, slick, over-polished and safe. He wasn't edgy. When he retired I started watching his Jay Leno's Garage online and absolutely loved it - and came to admire the guy for being a real genuine person - not the network TV show host he formerly was.
That's fair enough. To this day its sad Conan wasn't really given a decent chance on Late Night as he's been the only host, along with Dave and Craig, who have been able to truly make me laugh out loud and watch their stuff again and again on UA-cam.
Craig Ferguson for me was the funniest guy ever! say for example Craig Ferguson was not a comedian or in showbiz, the man would still be super funny. Thanks a lot to youtube that I am able to view all of Craig’s late late show episodes whenever I want. No one else even comes close.
This is such an odd take. It’s like saying if Lebron didn’t play basketball, he’d still be an amazing ball player 🤔
@@RoamingHeathen well being funny isn’t activity like playing basketball per say. Craig is naturally a funny guy. I am sure there are people who might be as good or better than Jordan in real life who never made it pro
I didn't even know there was a feud ... I would pick Team Leno over Kimmel.
I love Conan I think he should’ve gotten it. He’s a GD National treasure, he’s incredibly underrated. I wish him more success.
Conan is the best but he's madly rich and just sold his company for a TON of money. He's not hurting and he has his own podcast now.
This is coming from a Conan fan... he's really the only late night guy I liked.
I never understood the appeal of Conan.
Do you...bark about everything that doesn’t make your tail wag for a living wage? How lucrative is this? Should I apply?
I love Conan but I wouldn't say he's underrated.
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This really adds information to all of the speculation from this time period. I wish he would've come out much sooner with this.
"The War For Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane" by Bill Carter is an excellent account of what happened during that period.
Yeah, take it with a grain of salt. Leno was forced to come back? Hardly
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx To 11:35, you mean? When they proposed doing 30 minutes and bumping Conan to 12:05am, Jay asked if he could get out of his contract. *NBC* told him no. So, he couldn't just ealk away, and nobody can possibly expect Jay to risk being taken to court for breach of contract to suit the guy whose decision cost him "TTS" in the first place.
I want to see a group interview between Jay, Kimmel, Letterman, Conan, and Howard Stern all moderated by Bill Maher. I would even buy tickets to the live event. 😂
Thing is Jays shows aren’t something you want to rewatch. Unlike the others.
I think that's open to debate.
*House Carpenter:* "I’m sure it is"
Then House Carpenter probably shouldn't be saying Jay's shows aren't something you want to rewatch. Makes House Carpenter sound like he/she is speaking for everybody.
@@gallery7596 I’m sure it is
BEST Talk Show Hosts: Carson, Letterman, and a tie between Conan and Ferguson for 3rd. Legends all. But Kimmel is moving up, too.
None of these lists include Jon Stewart who belongs on any top-shelf discussion in legendary TV hosts. What he did (and the spin offs like The Colbert Report) was absolutely BRILLIANT.
Agree. What I also notice is that not one single person has mentioned the current TS host Jimmy Fallon. I’m not shocked . Really never got him on SNL and think he’s just as out of place on the talk show Carson ruled .
Craig Ferguson was the funniest and most talented host out of them all. The only thing with Craig is sometimes he had a lot of dead space in conversation because he didn’t follow a Question Card at all, and he had way too much sexual innuendos. But If Craig refined his style a bit and got some more Production on his Show I think he would’ve surpassed even Johnny Carson as the GOAT!
all Ferguson did was hit on his female guests, which was 90% of his guests
I mean he kinda teaches you free game. Women like him.
No one will ever surpass Johnny; it's just not possible!
That’s what made his show so cool, you called him the funniest and then tore down his two best qualities. That’s what most real conversations with strangers are, awkward and unpredictable.
@@rishabhaniket1952 I didn’t tear him down at all, I love Craig and his sex innuendos and awkward silences, it’s super fun! I’m saying if he had some prepared questions and lightened up on the innuendos, and got more production he could have been more mainstream, for all audiences, and maybe even topped Johnny! 🙂
Leno did not deserve all the hate got. The network will do what they want. Leno is a nice guy, and he's loyal too.
Amen
He deserved it.
I started watching Jay Leno because 2pac mentioned him on a song
Kimmel is a pain beyond measure.....
The perfect late night show: Monologue by David Letterman, Interviews by Craig Ferguson, Bits and Remotes by Conan
What about the band? I’m partial to the CBSO but I really liked the MW7 And I’d like it set in Colbert’s Theatre, they’ve done fanstastic work with it!
I would agree
Holy balls. I never realized Bills head made up 75% of his entire body.
This is like my dog explaining to me that it wasn't his fault that he ate all the bacon because no one else was going to eat it, despite everyone else saying otherwise.
Leno mentions Dick Cavett. I've seen his show on reruns and he puts me to sleep. I'm glad that Leno mentioned Ferguson because he was truly one of the most underrated talk shows ever.
Thanks to Leno for the shout out to Craig Ferguson.
I miss Craig. I still enjoy clips of the show but I understand why he left the business almost entirely at this point
It must be extremely exhausting to talk to Bill when he is that baked :D
"A victim of ageism" is exactly what I thought when NBC fired Leno in favor of O'Brien. No one stood up for Leno at that time. He left graciously. Then when NBC let O'Brien go in favor of bringing Leno back, Leno got annihilated in the press for "stealing" the Tonight Show from O'Brien. How does one steal what belonged to the person in the first place? Leno has class. O'Brien is not. He was immature and played the victim card when he stabbed Leno in the back to wrestle the Tonight Show away from him in the first place. NBC honchos are to blame for pitting the two against each other, but O'Brien should have taken a page out of Leno's playbook on how to act during this fiasco.
I mostly agree with your assessment. The one point I would clarify is that Conan wasn't let go. *NBC* really did want him to stay on as host of "TTS," and they were flabbergasted when he refused to go along with the 12:05am time bump. But in the end it was Conan who chose resignation (and that 32 million dollar buy out he took with him.).
You're right. I stand corrected. Conan left with a boatload of $$$, but he still plays the victim card even today. He needs to get over it. The big crybaby.@@gallery7596
Craig Ferguson was the greatest of all of them.
The best 12.35 talk show host around. Period. Perfect for that time, and Letterman knew it. Letterman whose production company made The Late Late Show knew how brilliant Craig was and that is why even though Craig complained a lot about the lack of budget for the show, Craig was actually paid a huge salary, more than Seth Meyers got for Late Night on NBC come 2012, around $13 million a year under his last two year deal, because he was that good.
Craig had a bent like all the others, but made it so much fun to watch. Leno wished he had that talent
@@andyshepard4309 Look, Andy, Jay Leno is just as his own person with a talent of his own! Like what was your excuse?
He screwed over his friend Letterman first than moved on to Conan. Just a shitheel.
Stop spewing this BS. He did not do either. Dave was never getting the Tonight Show. Conan was the one sho screwed Jay over by getting him fired. Conan is the shitheel. Complete scumbag.
The explanation about not moving Letterman into the TS in order to maintain a hit at 12:30 is a good one - I don't know if it's true but it's one of the best reasons I've heard
*NBC* just didn't like Dave, so it was easy for them to pass on him as Carson's successor.
@@gallery7596 it also helped if Jay was able to maintain the ratings that JC had.
Ferguson was actual, uncut late night. He'd pick up on his guests, talk shit right to their faces, and get some of the guests completely weirded out by the insane stuff he said out loud. How he's not the king of late night with these other three delicate wisps is beyond me
Him and Conan were very similar that way, they had their own off-beat style of comedy that was infinitely entertaining to watch, and always very engaging with the guests. Jay tho, it beats me how he was number 1 for so long with his pompous attitude and lack of real humour or identity. It was truly enjoyable watching Kimmel grill Jay on his own show lol. One of the few times I've laughed at and applauded Kimmel.
I can’t stand the coward Kimmel
I like how Bill shuts up and lets his guests talk.
Why does Conan expect Jay to turn down job security for his team for Conan’s team? This is how business works everywhere. They should be mad at NBC execs, if anybody, not Jay.
Leno doesn't owe anyone an apology
Jay explains everything very clearly. Haters never understood.
God Jay sounds completely full of shit. He acts like he had nothing to do and he just stood around waiting for everything to flesh out around him.
@@cainpitt "The War For Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane" by Bill Carter. 👍
Its not hate its jealousy and ego
Craig has always been my fav. Nice to see him being mentioned again.
Wow. Different time. I don't even watch TV anymore, apart from during NFL season. Every TV is running a streaming service in our household. Lol.
Late night talk show has become irrelevant in the age of influencers and everything on demand. Between being too one sided and not funny there's no unique offering in terms of interviews anymore since all celebrities have dozens of interviews or content put up on UA-cam. Couple that with so many movies coming out with nothing new there's no big "it" thing to make it must watch vs streaming your own choice on demand.
Just remember: "You can do anything you want in life. Unless Jay Leno wants to do it too." -Conan
Who the F is Leno trying to con about his version of the story.
"The one place I would criticize Conan (and Dave Letterman for that matter) are these comments *'you can do anything you want in life- unless Jay Leno wants to it, too.'* You're not a kid who got his ice cream knocked to the sidewalk by Jay Leno. He beat you for something. And by the way, it's a very desirable job. You want to be on top of the mountain? There's gonna be some others who want to be there, too." ~ *Bill Maher on "Larry King Live" (2010).*
@gallery7596 Leno's a sneaky b1tch and everyone knew it
"You can do anything you want in life. Unless Conan O'Brien wants to do it too." - What Leno could have said in 2004 when Conan made an ultimatum to NBC, and forced them to give him The Tonight Show in five years, even though Jay had great ratings and had no intentions of leaving the show.
@@773SleepyHollow Wouldn’t call it an ultimatum, that would be something like give me jay’s spot now or I walk, which is not what happened at all. Conan’s contract was ending and he was getting better offers, it makes complete sense for him to consider them. However, after they offered him jay’s time slot in 5 years time WITH jay’s approval, he took the hit of staying 5 more years in his less than optimal time slot and declined all the other more lucrative offers.
Bill might be a little too stoned here lol.
You barely get to hear Leno speak openly and when you do is transparent/legit/even good! He should done that back in the day. Displaying substance goes a long way
Bill keeps saying Jay's a great guy yet he has feuds with Dave, Jimmy, and Conan. Somethings amiss. I have nothing against Leno but where theres smoke...
Dave and Conan are egotistical, elitist jerks who were only out for themselves. He did not feud with them. It was all coming from the other direction only. Conan got Jay fired and Dave was bitter that he was not given what he felt entitled to despite the fact he was never going to be given the show. Kimmel is a clown looking for attention. hardly a feud. There is no smoke.
So true, imagine being hated by every colleague in a university and then wondering whaaa? Im a great guy. Granted Leno isnt a bad person, he is just a selfish performer, a common flaw in the game
They hate Jay because he's not ultra liberal
The problem is Jay never publicly defended himself and that's because he's pretty old school in that manor, but when all the "late night wars" were happening, that looked pretty damning. It's also why you don't hear a lot about the good he has done. He briefly mentioned his staff here, and that he took the 10:00 job because they would get paid even if the show failed. In the mid 2000's when NBC was slashing budgets, they said to Jay that he'd have to fire most of his staff, instead he had his salary chopped in half to keep everybody. So there's two great examples of it's not always what you hear about a guy. Craig Ferguson also considers him a friend, and everybody loves him, myself included.
It couldn't be Hollywood is a ****bag town that devours people's relationships?
Dave constantly attacking the NBC executives on air didn't help. I'm not sure how Letterman thought they would actually give them the primetime slot after what he was saying about them.
they loved being roasted - that wasn't it. other reasons. including some that were Dave's own undoing.
@@moaningpheromones Nonsense, watch the video when Dave has Norm on right after he was fired from SNL and how Dave trashes all of the executives. Its idiotic to pretend that it was appreciated by them. ua-cam.com/video/Ki6z4ohppbE/v-deo.html
I loved Jay Leno!
Yesss
Jay: "Then we became friends"
Kimmel: "We are not friends"
Used to Like Kimmel but his monologues/show went from a comedy show to CNN News