Lol I burst out laughing a few times at the German impressions...Z loved the T1 a couple years ago in his review of them as well. He likes Beyer more than he realizes I think.
@@RubenKemp No I did not and sending them in for repair cost me $115. I just added some Brainwavz XL leatherette ear pads and a new headband pad and its all good now. I did a side by side between them and my DT 990 Edition's also with Brainwavzs and the Pro's have a better bass punch so I'm back to wearing them again.
@@ssg2991 But needs to be a powerful amp not just any amp, the unbalanced output power is important here unless you mod their cable to use balanced output which are usually much more powerful. I read tube amps were meant for high impedance headphones, hence the connection.
Love my tygrs too, in germany you can buy them seperately from both amazon and beyerdynamic. Bought mine for 120€ from the beyerdynamic outlet and I didn't even had too pay for shipping. As far as I know almost all beyerdynamics are cheaper in germany, so if you ever come here you might consider picking up some beyerdynamics. Opposite for Sennheisers unfortunately, the 650s still cost more than 300€ here...
I read over at headfi that these are a DT990 32ohm in a new housing. A guy contacted beyerdynamic and that is what they told him anyway. Here is what I just read at beyer website. Translated from German. "How does the TYGR 300 R differ from the DT 880 PRO and DT 990 PRO? September 11, 2019 1:29 PM The DT 880 PRO has a very linear frequency response, the DT 990 PRO, on the other hand, a slightly more pronounced bass and correspondingly more present highs for a pleasant balance. Both are designed primarily for studio applications. The TYGR 300 R focuses on gaming based on the frequency response of the DT 990 PRO. A powerful bass and detailed emphasized highs go very well with gaming. However, the sound design was further optimized for gaming based on the DT 990 PRO, sometimes by using a special acoustic fleece."
It's a very fun headphone to listen to and quite comfortable. I think the build quality is very good at its price point. I was not thrilled about the attached cable for the $300 dollar bundle but for the $200 headphone-only asking price.. it's acceptable. Especially given the length of the cable and the fact it's jank free. I'm in the honeymoon phase with it right now but I love the tuning. It's nowhere near neutral or reference. It's definitely a solid V with some surprising bass extension. The depth of the bass has been the most surprising bit for me. I've paired it with an Earman Sparrow from my phone and an iFi Zen Dac from my desktop. Both sound excellent though I find I prefer low gain rather than high on the Zen Dac. This headphone is an altogether different direction from a Sennheiser imo, but it's equally lovely in being performance to price. This is probably my favorite open-back dynamic but I love a good V-tune. I'm sure you could EQ it back a bit but... why? Just get a 560s or 6XX. Get this if you want your music to thump.
@@lemonsmemes5856 Yes, but I prefer the HD599s for gaming. The TYGRs are fine for gaming but I prefer either the detail from the 599 or staging from the Fidelios. For music it's not really a contest. I prefer the TYGRs to all my other dynamics. But that's more about preference than objective performance. They're comfortable, they're controlled, they're fun to listen to, and they're not fatiguing in the slightest. I don't know if it's a all-around recommendation for gaming and music. I think Sennheiser still has them beat for general utility in the price range.
Zeos Beyerdynamic does not realy want to deal with consumers. They sell directly because that way THEY are in full control of supply. Which makes 100% sense for pro-gear.
Just got my TYGR. They sound impressively open, spacious, and the soundstage is very large. Kind of like a budget T1. Separation is good with these, very good clarity and small details come through really well. The main fault I can say is they lack midrange body. Compared to a Sennheiser, the mids are thin. I think they sacrifice midrange body to give them the very spacious soundstage so its a trade off that these make given they cater to gaming where soundstage is very important. They're very good at this price. Also - very light in terms of weight and can be worn for long periods of time. Dynamics are also quite good. The drivers have good control and sound overall is tight and sharply defined. Overall - Excellent detailed headphones for gaming and music, very impressive soundstage, open and airy sound, but midrange is somewhat thin for certain types of music, particularly vocals.
I have 2 questions. First, I use a closed back gaming headset, and the soundstage isn't very good so everything sounds like it's in my head. With the tygrs do the instruments sound too far away? And second, how is the imaging in gaming? Thanks!
@@lemonsmemes5856 The soundstage is nice and large and the imaging is nice. Instruments don't sound too far away, but compared to a Sennheiser where soundstage is pretty intimate, the TYGR is large and open sounding. It works great for gaming and they are so light weight and comfortable, I can wear them for long sessions. They are great at $200. I love the HD58X as well, both are just exceptional headphones and are priced well.
@@ryanguy6789 thanks for the reply man! And by thin do you mean that on some specific tracks the vocals don't sound very loud? And does thin sometimes mean tinny?
@@lemonsmemes5856 It's hard to exactly describe in words - it is just easier to hear after listening to many different headphones for a long time. In a Sennheiser like the HD600 or HD6XX, the vocals are very full and thick and rich sounding, with the TYGR, it's more thinner sounding due to more treble emphasis. It's more of an airy and open sound rather than a thick and rich sound. The Sennheiser series are known for the rich and exceptional mid-range. It depends on what you've heard before and your main headphones that you use. But I would recommend the TYGR's as they are excellent and sound great across the board. If you buy them from Beyerdynamic, they also have a return window on them, so there's not much to lose there in trying them out.
@@ryanguy6789 thanks. I will definitely pick these up when they are back in stock. One final question, are you using an amp? I've heard that they don't get very loud without one.
@@ZReviews now add on top of that, that everything is more expensive. its literally heaven on earth E: already proved myself wrong on this particular headphone but y know,...
@@ZReviews Bruh imagine having to pay imports when you want to get stuff off of Drop because those fucking idiots can't properly open Europe warehouses
I know this is an old vid, but thanks . Just got the bundle for Christmas can not get over the difference between these and my SteelSerise Arctis 7 . I have used them for gaming and general music . OMG Thank you so much for all you do.
You should try the 80 ohm 770s if you haven’t already. They sound quite a but different than the 250 ohm ones and I prefer them. They’re way less v-shaped. The bass is much tighter and not as present, the mids are more pronounced, and the highs are less murder. They’re my favourite headphones because they sound so good for metal. Oh and I think they changed the way they tuned them a bit because I’ve heard they used to have even more bass than the 250 ohm
Buy a 990. It's the same thing. Like the mmx300 is a 770 with a mic. I have a stash of cheap Beyers since 1988 when my dad introduced me to them. Love'em till today but don't pay over U$150.
That's a bold statement to make about these possibly being better than the X2 Zeos.... Haha! I'd like to hear these myself, but the X2 are pretty fucking amazing at their price range.
@Chuck Nourrizzz well the 770s are closed back, so they are very different in that sense. Quality or sound wise, I wouldn't know lol, I haven't tried the Tygr.
Watching this on my Tygrs, can confirm heavy duty german levels of dance club partying to your head but not with like mega bass or shrill murderous highs
lmao subrscibed. funniest tech review i have seen on yt in a long time.... & thanks for the solid recommend grey tac. first person to actually ever mention to me it exists (now halfway thru 2023). priceless. invaluable
Sweet Jeebus - MMX300 are over 100AUD more expensive than the DT880-600 here. I can only assume that reflects the fact that Beyerdynamic have made a lot more over the lifetime of the latter than the newer headphone, but if the target market is gamers who occasionally listen to music, who is going to pay that premium over the Custom Game (300AUD) ? I'm a lot more interested in the 880 review you're clearly foaming at the mouth over, but even given the amp requirements I struggle to understand why audiophiles would buy either of the gaming headphones over a headphone which virtually every other reviewer raves about (caveats notwithstanding). Thanks for the video, but I think I'll be voting with my wallet.
I live in Peru. I e-mailed them asking if they could be sold to me (there wasn't a purchase button on the international website) and what they told was that they don't send SPARE PARTS internationally. they called the headphone a spare part bc they want to sell you the combo
Try the Beyers Custom Studio, absolutely love them. Btw. Cause of you bought kph30i, pro82, tin t2, marshall major bt, and many more, all amazing headphones. But the Beyers are my goto now
I've been thinking about buying these for couple years already. Watched couple reviews, thought to myself, eh, my headphones still work, it's alright, save the money. Then I watched couple more reviews. Then I stumbled upon your review, and after ten minutes of deranged fuckery I pulled up the beyerdynamic page and ordered a pair. This is disgusting, I love it. Arriving in couple days.
@@MrGr8pe Im using my Shure 840 which are 44 Ohm and they easly get loud enough connected to dualshock. Keep in mind tho, that 840s sensitivity is higher than Tygrs.
Holy these are good...am currently testing them against dt 880 250ohms and man they're both so good but yet so different. My wallet says keep only one but my ears....
Damn it Zeos, I just ordered the DT280 Pro's & now these TYGRRRRRR's. Currently for studio & pleasure, I'm switching between my DT1990 Pro's and the HPH-MT5 (with a 'wall' of other headphones in a cupboard), usually ending up listening to the MT5's. Neither can match the presence of my Neumann KH120's, so hopefully my current purchases will get closer, otherwise grrrr! For sure I'll be reporting back.
@@7sukuyomi ...it's still the MT5's and the DT280's. DT1990's and TYGR 300's are in a drawer. DT1990's are too harsh. TYGR 300R, the cable is short and the clamping force too light; sound is quite natural, though I find a little thin and distant. I still prefer the MT5's, but if you really want open-backs, at an affordable price the Tygr are ok. The Koss Porta Pros, for their size and light weight are commendable, more rich than the Tygr's though not as wide, but again nothing matches the MT5's for presence and detail.
I haven't watched a Z Review in ages and now I remember why. Immediately after watching this video I went to the Beyerdynamic website and purchased these headphones. Luckily I live in Germany and got them for just €119.00 (~ $134) and free shipping! Should have them in a day or two. Um, thanks (?) Zeos (and DMS)!
I just watched this video when looking for a review after seeing Beyerdynamics website "team TYGR" bundle in sale for €269 only and 10 min later, it just happened: I ordered them too! Hahahaha
@@SaltyDerps Perfect! Pretty much exactly as Zeos described. I've been daily driving them ever since I got them, both for listening to music and gaming. Not disappointed.
I also confirm: It's a "game" changer, hehehe. I listen to music all the time now & the in game the experience is really amazing. You won't have any regrets with this buy.
@@tomdim08 do you need an amp to power it? And if so do you have a suggestion for a budget amp that I wouldnt say that would be suffice but would bring it to a point where there wouldn't be a need to go any higher for value
I've had my 250 ohm DT990s for like 4 years now, I didn't have a complaint until a couple weeks ago starting noticing how fatiguing the highs were. You're making me want to spend money...during a time I shouldn't be spending money
As far as upgrades go, this is more of a lateral move. These aren't better per say, or not much anyway, mostly just very different. Personally if you want to go to the opposite side of the spectrum I would just get some HD6XXs during the next drop and live with the 990s until then. If you need something to sample that kind of sound, I'm not even kidding, get some $30 porta pros. They're obviously not as detailed at all, but they have exactly the same character to them and they're very musical and entertaining. I genuinely like those a lot more than my $200 fidelio l1s. Hard to believe but I just genuinely like listening to them more
Nice review! Run a dedicated headphone amp + VoiceMeeter Banana EQ on PC = Win! I can recommend Bizzy B's live DnB sessions on saturdays. Dope AF! Stay awesome Z!
Lmao I've only seen a handfull of your videos and I've never really paid attention to the background, but are you using a server rack to just stack audio equipment?
Loved the sound on these. A little bit too much on the treble for me and the inside foam touched my ears which causes me pain after 10 mins. However they are definitely worth a try. Incredible value. I just wish they were as comfortable as the dt990
Delivers beste Sound in Farming Simulator. Spaß, hier in Deutschland spielt man tatsächlich auch andere Computerspiele. Thanks for the good Review, it gives me some wet dreams. Today, i buyed a pair of this delicious Headphones. Grüße aus Deutschland Keep it up!
@@darrellross8609 awesome! Congrats! Another review said the tygr has the sound stage of the akg k7xx. I've had the AKG Q701 and the sound stage is enormus. The hd800/S have the largest from what I've read. Do you have any experience with the AKG headphones for sound stage comparison?
Kinda late here, but just in case anybody cares, the tygrs use the DT990 32 Ohm drivers, judging by beyerdynamic stating on their website that the „DT990 32 Ohm system“ is compatible with the TYGRs. They also state that the DT770 32 Ohm Systems are compatible with the MMX300. If that‘s really the truth, I‘m just asking myself like... why wouldn’t you build the headphones the drivers were originally for that are made for music this good??
Zeos, you should compare those with the Beyerdynamic Custom Studio 80 Ohm: closed back, detachable 3.5mm 3-pole cable and customizable bass port! It's on Amazon for the same price as theze.
They are pretty good. I was actually surprised. My issue is the left driver hits my ear and vibrates and i cant tell if its me or an issue with the cans.
@barbosa pereira Not better. Very similar, easier to listen too. The Dt1990 is much more analytical, can feel harsh sometimes. I run these off a tube amp and it fixes all that, plus adds a bit of warmth and staging. Quite fantastic
i am german and i laughed my ass off on your german-impression. Great review with the right amount of swearing just how i like it. Oh and great headphones too.
Mannn I want to buy these but they are STILL only for sale directly from beyer and they are sold out... Kind of stupid seeing as to how much people want them
I have a collection of headphones based mostly on your recomendation Z: Hifiman 4xx, Sennheiser HD 660s, BLON B20 (!), KPH30i, Porta pro, Beyerdynamic 770 80 ohm (that's not you >)) ) and the last one is TYGR 300R. These. the TYGR 300r are easily the best for my taste. I want to point out something really interesting! Althou I don't trust you in all of your recommendations, when DMS is giving a good review and you spell it out for us with your ~thing~, the combination is very good. I think you should work together more ----> for us, not for the companies!!!. I can confirm this now as a regular buyer, that when you do your thing properly, there is something realyy good coming out. I`m pretty sure the next buy for me is emotiva + DT 880 600 ohms, because these TYGR's are amazing (using them right now with micro IFI BL, but tried out with xduoo and other stuff that you recomended over time. So, congratulations! nice one, really nice one!
@@tcrystyan that's impressive, I recently got a pair of used LCD-2C for 350$ including a fiio e12, I'm really liking them, but they really need EQ to shine. I really want to try the TYGR 🙃
6:00 that rage is nothing compared to what I feel when you praise a subwoofer that I'd need to ship from the US to get it because it is not sold anywhere in the rest of the fucking world or several Drop Products that are only sold on drop. 7:00 laughing fit, in german: Lachanfall
Interesting question for Zeos and all, what kind of replacement pads would you use on your DT990 or 880? (Can't order EDT990V right now because of Corona)
Why shouldn't they most of the lower price tier of beyer are build on the same platform wich enables these low prices kind of like in the automotive industry. This puts them in great position where you can go for what is the most appealing sound for you rather than compare designs and notice the once which dont hurt you are not available with your favourit driver.
@Kris Moodley well I've never heard the 1990 pro, but my pair is exceptionally smooth, I'm still getting detail, but the treble is never intrusive and I would consider myself to be treble sensitive, couldn't handle the sendy aiva for that reason, it's also a little mid forward with elevated bass as well, it's become my new favorite headphone
Just got a pair, it's really good. It's like 1990 with better mids and better comfort at 30% price. BTW I returned my 1990 but I will defenitely keep TYGR. Great headphones!
@@michaelsi6770 thats what I was afraid of. I love the vast soundstage. Is the tyger even close to it in comparason? A youtuber said it was close to the 7xx.
@@hawaiian-cerveza I think soundstage is wide enough. Not 712 pro, but still wide. But Tygr are bad gaming headphones, the sound is too agressive for gaming. For music good tho.
The headphones were on Amazon as standalone item, but DMS and some others reviewed and I think people started buying them. I found these by accident a while ago and they were always in stock, but not anymore. Lol
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If you figure out what kind of pads work for these...let me know, man. Everything I've tried just turns 'em into caverns.
I've got a pair of T60 Argon's, had them for about a year now. They've become my daily driver for non FPS gaming, movies, and general computer use.
Can the Xduoo xd-05 plus drive the DT 880 600ohm?
Hey Mate, are you going to do the review of the Fiio THX AAA AM3D Amp?
Please make a video of your favorite headphones/amplifiers
As a German I can confirm, I do want to play games.
Confirmed. 100% of Germans here want to play games
Auf jeden Fall!
@@suiohh i think you misspelled a word there
@@handlmycck I don't think so :D
@@suiohh i think you missed the joke aswell, maybe you can catch this. But be quick! ":D"
Late to the show but I just got these on Amazon and paid $145. (Jan 2023) Loving them so far!
You didn't use Taiga from Toradora as your wallpaper Zeos. I am disappointed.
This.
I was thinking that between bouts of sticker shock.
I have failed you, my fan-base and the Anime community at large. I never saw Toradora, only the lewds.
Z Reviews bruh
@@ZReviews bruh
Lol I burst out laughing a few times at the German impressions...Z loved the T1 a couple years ago in his review of them as well. He likes Beyer more than he realizes I think.
Ya...way under rated
After 2 years and 1500 hours of use, my pad on top of my DT990 was cracking and held no support anymore. Replaced it for 20 bucks. Awesome design.
My DT990 250 ohm just lost the left system after 6 years and I can't get a replacement so I purchased a new DT990 Special Edition 250 ohm instead. 😍
@@puffnstuff12 6 years is not that long though???? Did you abuse them?
@@RubenKemp No I did not and sending them in for repair cost me $115. I just added some Brainwavz XL leatherette ear pads and a new headband pad and its all good now. I did a side by side between them and my DT 990 Edition's also with Brainwavzs and the Pro's have a better bass punch so I'm back to wearing them again.
Finally its a good day to be a german audiophile. 140€ on their website, and as b-stock 119. nice
Die DT880 600 Ohm sind dennoch besser. Vor allem die Verison aus den 80ern ;-)
@@thomaskohler5181 you need a fuckton of amp power to drive those
@@hadiffnazhan862 if im not mistaken. High ohm headphones are meant to be driven with tube amps
@@landgren9690 Just amps in general, doesn't have to be a tube amp.
@@ssg2991 But needs to be a powerful amp not just any amp, the unbalanced output power is important here unless you mod their cable to use balanced output which are usually much more powerful. I read tube amps were meant for high impedance headphones, hence the connection.
They're now $199 on their website. Guess Zeos power did it again.
And.. 3-4 weeks to deliver
They are now 139,00 € including shipping and taxes in germany :0 that is sick!
i bought them 2 weeks ago for 140€ i feel super good about my decision
I gotta give props to any company providing a purchase option outside Amazon.
I thought this is the price they were launched at tho...
Love my tygrs too, in germany you can buy them seperately from both amazon and beyerdynamic. Bought mine for 120€ from the beyerdynamic outlet and I didn't even had too pay for shipping. As far as I know almost all beyerdynamics are cheaper in germany, so if you ever come here you might consider picking up some beyerdynamics. Opposite for Sennheisers unfortunately, the 650s still cost more than 300€ here...
And some Sennheisers seem to be constantly sold out here as well
We need these foam inserts for vitually every Beyerdynamic, and detachable cables and that's it. Beyers for all!
Z : Don't ask me to compare closed back headphones to open back headphones!
Also Z : These sound like one of the better IEM's I've listened to!
um. f
Ouch, can we get an f in the chat?
clearly you're new to Z reviews
@barbosa pereira I’m curious too
Well that sounds like exactly what I want....
Except for the non-detachable cable, but I'll live with it.
Ayy, was waiting for this. Got that bundle with the mic a while back.
Glad to see these things I've liked for months finally getting some traction.
I read over at headfi that these are a DT990 32ohm in a new housing. A guy contacted beyerdynamic and that is what they told him anyway. Here is what I just read at beyer website. Translated from German.
"How does the TYGR 300 R differ from the DT 880 PRO and DT 990 PRO?
September 11, 2019 1:29 PM
The DT 880 PRO has a very linear frequency response, the DT 990 PRO, on the other hand, a slightly more pronounced bass and correspondingly more present highs for a pleasant balance. Both are designed primarily for studio applications.
The TYGR 300 R focuses on gaming based on the frequency response of the DT 990 PRO. A powerful bass and detailed emphasized highs go very well with gaming. However, the sound design was further optimized for gaming based on the DT 990 PRO, sometimes by using a special acoustic fleece."
It's a very fun headphone to listen to and quite comfortable. I think the build quality is very good at its price point. I was not thrilled about the attached cable for the $300 dollar bundle but for the $200 headphone-only asking price.. it's acceptable. Especially given the length of the cable and the fact it's jank free. I'm in the honeymoon phase with it right now but I love the tuning. It's nowhere near neutral or reference. It's definitely a solid V with some surprising bass extension. The depth of the bass has been the most surprising bit for me. I've paired it with an Earman Sparrow from my phone and an iFi Zen Dac from my desktop. Both sound excellent though I find I prefer low gain rather than high on the Zen Dac. This headphone is an altogether different direction from a Sennheiser imo, but it's equally lovely in being performance to price. This is probably my favorite open-back dynamic but I love a good V-tune. I'm sure you could EQ it back a bit but... why? Just get a 560s or 6XX. Get this if you want your music to thump.
Have you tried it in games yet?
@@lemonsmemes5856 Yes, but I prefer the HD599s for gaming. The TYGRs are fine for gaming but I prefer either the detail from the 599 or staging from the Fidelios. For music it's not really a contest. I prefer the TYGRs to all my other dynamics. But that's more about preference than objective performance. They're comfortable, they're controlled, they're fun to listen to, and they're not fatiguing in the slightest. I don't know if it's a all-around recommendation for gaming and music. I think Sennheiser still has them beat for general utility in the price range.
Just the fact that you confirmed you're getting the t60rp argons made me so happy! ☺
They are actually just 140 € (~$155) in Germany with tax and shipping included
Can you give me that page! I need them! :D
I found them but they don't ship to Sweden :'(
A comparison to the 58X would be amazing Z
Zeos
Beyerdynamic does not realy want to deal with consumers.
They sell directly because that way THEY are in full control of supply. Which makes 100% sense for pro-gear.
How about a comparison about the best below 200$? Many people would doubt to get either these or HD58X
Just got my TYGR. They sound impressively open, spacious, and the soundstage is very large. Kind of like a budget T1. Separation is good with these, very good clarity and small details come through really well. The main fault I can say is they lack midrange body. Compared to a Sennheiser, the mids are thin. I think they sacrifice midrange body to give them the very spacious soundstage so its a trade off that these make given they cater to gaming where soundstage is very important.
They're very good at this price. Also - very light in terms of weight and can be worn for long periods of time. Dynamics are also quite good. The drivers have good control and sound overall is tight and sharply defined. Overall - Excellent detailed headphones for gaming and music, very impressive soundstage, open and airy sound, but midrange is somewhat thin for certain types of music, particularly vocals.
I have 2 questions. First, I use a closed back gaming headset, and the soundstage isn't very good so everything sounds like it's in my head. With the tygrs do the instruments sound too far away? And second, how is the imaging in gaming? Thanks!
@@lemonsmemes5856 The soundstage is nice and large and the imaging is nice. Instruments don't sound too far away, but compared to a Sennheiser where soundstage is pretty intimate, the TYGR is large and open sounding. It works great for gaming and they are so light weight and comfortable, I can wear them for long sessions. They are great at $200. I love the HD58X as well, both are just exceptional headphones and are priced well.
@@ryanguy6789 thanks for the reply man! And by thin do you mean that on some specific tracks the vocals don't sound very loud? And does thin sometimes mean tinny?
@@lemonsmemes5856 It's hard to exactly describe in words - it is just easier to hear after listening to many different headphones for a long time. In a Sennheiser like the HD600 or HD6XX, the vocals are very full and thick and rich sounding, with the TYGR, it's more thinner sounding due to more treble emphasis. It's more of an airy and open sound rather than a thick and rich sound. The Sennheiser series are known for the rich and exceptional mid-range. It depends on what you've heard before and your main headphones that you use. But I would recommend the TYGR's as they are excellent and sound great across the board. If you buy them from Beyerdynamic, they also have a return window on them, so there's not much to lose there in trying them out.
@@ryanguy6789 thanks. I will definitely pick these up when they are back in stock. One final question, are you using an amp? I've heard that they don't get very loud without one.
When you just said these should be 500$ and theyre sold out... They better not raise their price because of this damn great review
"Hey i have this bicycle, what car does it compare to?" LUL Best quote of 2020
5:55 this is what it feels to be European
how do you like it ?
Terrible. I hate it.
@@ZReviews now add on top of that, that everything is more expensive. its literally heaven on earth E: already proved myself wrong on this particular headphone but y know,...
Jesse O and you can't find stuff that's only in america, like drop's stuff :|
@@ZReviews Bruh imagine having to pay imports when you want to get stuff off of Drop because those fucking idiots can't properly open Europe warehouses
The price of living in a beautiful continent
German audiophiles work out with their headphones we need 3 meters of space from the amp to the benchpress for saefty reasons.
I know this is an old vid, but thanks . Just got the bundle for Christmas can not get over the difference between these and my SteelSerise Arctis 7 . I have used them for gaming and general music . OMG Thank you so much for all you do.
10:11 Interspecies.. A man of culture I see
You should try the 80 ohm 770s if you haven’t already. They sound quite a but different than the 250 ohm ones and I prefer them. They’re way less v-shaped. The bass is much tighter and not as present, the mids are more pronounced, and the highs are less murder. They’re my favourite headphones because they sound so good for metal. Oh and I think they changed the way they tuned them a bit because I’ve heard they used to have even more bass than the 250 ohm
Man, your German is so natural, you could have asked for a role in the movie "Top Secret"
He knows a little German..
aaaaaand they're no longer "under" 200usd
thanks zeos! :v
Buy a 990. It's the same thing. Like the mmx300 is a 770 with a mic. I have a stash of cheap Beyers since 1988 when my dad introduced me to them. Love'em till today but don't pay over U$150.
@@CapaNoisyCapa it's not
Sucks to be American haha
@@amesacegaming8299 They don't even sell these in my country and even if they do it'll probably close to 400.
I fucking love this guy. I'm pretty sure it's Jack Black undercover.
The portion about fun towards the end was fantastic - I will be picking these up thank you!
I figured it out; DMS works for Abyss.
I love your videos. Idk how you do it. You are so damn entertaining to listen to as well as educational.
140€ and Free shipping in Germany....I can't buy another pair of headphones already. DAMN YOU
Yes you can, don't worry, let it happen, you know you want it too :>
I just got the Koss KHP30is with import costs and now this.
So haben wir nicht gewettet.
That's a bold statement to make about these possibly being better than the X2 Zeos.... Haha! I'd like to hear these myself, but the X2 are pretty fucking amazing at their price range.
I finally bought a pair of DT 770 80 Ohm two weeks ago and Zeos is making me question my life decisions.
That is why you hit and run this channel, you stick around and I will find things that beat other things.
@Chuck Nourrizzz well the 770s are closed back, so they are very different in that sense. Quality or sound wise, I wouldn't know lol, I haven't tried the Tygr.
Oh my god that is Daniel Budiman on that Page at the very beginning of the Video!!! Recognized him immediately! Woohooo Budi geilo!
Budi und Simon haben Werbespots für Beyerdynamic gedreht
@@andysledge Ja hab ich mir gerade angeschaut, geil ehy. Beyerdynamic wird mir immer sympathischer.
I've just come to the realization that Zeos is the Lewis Black of Audio reviewers.
Seeing him live didn't help my condition.
@Kent Burgess
You must be a savant because I never made the connection until just as I read your post
Watching this on my Tygrs, can confirm heavy duty german levels of dance club partying to your head but not with like mega bass or shrill murderous highs
How large is the sound stage? Can you compare them to the AKG Q701?
Just bought them and they're freakin' awesome!
I wanted to buy one!
And they told me... "we don't ship to Croatia"...
but im in EU...
Nein nein nein nein 😭
Check for them on idealo.de, there's retailers that'll ship outside Germany
@@JennyDarukat As far is i know they are website exclusive.
0/10, you didn't call them the "Tiggers"
lmao subrscibed. funniest tech review i have seen on yt in a long time.... & thanks for the solid recommend grey tac. first person to actually ever mention to me it exists (now halfway thru 2023). priceless. invaluable
i love this reviews which are basically 20 min rants lol
Just ordered these after having enough of pure tinnitus and being underwater with the MMX300's.
Who knew open backs had more bass out of the box than the closed backs... :thinking:
Sweet Jeebus - MMX300 are over 100AUD more expensive than the DT880-600 here. I can only assume that reflects the fact that Beyerdynamic have made a lot more over the lifetime of the latter than the newer headphone, but if the target market is gamers who occasionally listen to music, who is going to pay that premium over the Custom Game (300AUD) ?
I'm a lot more interested in the 880 review you're clearly foaming at the mouth over, but even given the amp requirements I struggle to understand why audiophiles would buy either of the gaming headphones over a headphone which virtually every other reviewer raves about (caveats notwithstanding). Thanks for the video, but I think I'll be voting with my wallet.
I live in Peru. I e-mailed them asking if they could be sold to me (there wasn't a purchase button on the international website) and what they told was that they don't send SPARE PARTS internationally. they called the headphone a spare part bc they want to sell you the combo
lol qué te compraste al final? Estoy buscando audífonos a los que pueda sacarle el cable je
Try the Beyers Custom Studio, absolutely love them. Btw. Cause of you bought kph30i, pro82, tin t2, marshall major bt, and many more, all amazing headphones. But the Beyers are my goto now
I've been thinking about buying these for couple years already. Watched couple reviews, thought to myself, eh, my headphones still work, it's alright, save the money.
Then I watched couple more reviews.
Then I stumbled upon your review, and after ten minutes of deranged fuckery I pulled up the beyerdynamic page and ordered a pair. This is disgusting, I love it. Arriving in couple days.
I'm eating popcorn while watching Zeo's freak out over a hair, and beat his deck due to shipping costs, pure gold entertainment. :D
I did not pay for shipping.... it arrives thursday....
On the DT770s 80ohm, I did this in Equalizer APO and they sound absolutely phenomenal to me now. Try it out. Maybe you can find better settings. Let me know.
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The COP's are also pretty great.
And Custom Studio too
I've enjoyed the Custom Games I got a year or two back. Same for the 177X GO.
LOL I did the exact hand slam when you said 2020 shipping. brb dying of laughter
cant wait to get these i will be using them for everything. gaming and mu music collection of cds, records, 8 tracks and cassettes.
These vs the 58x's?
Lemon'sMemes if I run the tygrs on my PS4 will I need an amp? Or can I just plug it into my DualShock controller ?
@@MrGr8pe they're 32 ohms but the PS4 controller doesn't provide enough power to headphones so you just might need one ;-;
@@MrGr8pe off the included mic, its absolutely no problem...but off the controller, u are cutting it close...maybe just enough at full volume.
@@MrGr8pe Im using my Shure 840 which are 44 Ohm and they easly get loud enough connected to dualshock. Keep in mind tho, that 840s sensitivity is higher than Tygrs.
there should be a “zeos without context” video
Gonna be my first purchase when I catch up on all my headphone debt lol!
Holy these are good...am currently testing them against dt 880 250ohms and man they're both so good but yet so different. My wallet says keep only one but my ears....
Damn it Zeos, I just ordered the DT280 Pro's & now these TYGRRRRRR's. Currently for studio & pleasure, I'm switching between my DT1990 Pro's and the HPH-MT5 (with a 'wall' of other headphones in a cupboard), usually ending up listening to the MT5's. Neither can match the presence of my Neumann KH120's, so hopefully my current purchases will get closer, otherwise grrrr! For sure I'll be reporting back.
report
@@7sukuyomi ...it's still the MT5's and the DT280's. DT1990's and TYGR 300's are in a drawer.
DT1990's are too harsh. TYGR 300R, the cable is short and the clamping force too light; sound is quite natural, though I find a little thin and distant.
I still prefer the MT5's, but if you really want open-backs, at an affordable price the Tygr are ok. The Koss Porta Pros, for their size and light weight are commendable, more rich than the Tygr's though not as wide, but again nothing matches the MT5's for presence and detail.
@@juliansimmons7700 ah ok, ty
I haven't watched a Z Review in ages and now I remember why. Immediately after watching this video I went to the Beyerdynamic website and purchased these headphones. Luckily I live in Germany and got them for just €119.00 (~ $134) and free shipping! Should have them in a day or two. Um, thanks (?) Zeos (and DMS)!
I just watched this video when looking for a review after seeing Beyerdynamics website "team TYGR" bundle in sale for €269 only and 10 min later, it just happened: I ordered them too! Hahahaha
So how are rhey
@@SaltyDerps Perfect! Pretty much exactly as Zeos described. I've been daily driving them ever since I got them, both for listening to music and gaming. Not disappointed.
I also confirm: It's a "game" changer, hehehe. I listen to music all the time now & the in game the experience is really amazing. You won't have any regrets with this buy.
@@tomdim08 do you need an amp to power it? And if so do you have a suggestion for a budget amp that I wouldnt say that would be suffice but would bring it to a point where there wouldn't be a need to go any higher for value
I've had my 250 ohm DT990s for like 4 years now, I didn't have a complaint until a couple weeks ago starting noticing how fatiguing the highs were. You're making me want to spend money...during a time I shouldn't be spending money
Same seat here. Love my 990's to bits, but now is a good time to try something new! The B-Stock is still available.
As far as upgrades go, this is more of a lateral move. These aren't better per say, or not much anyway, mostly just very different. Personally if you want to go to the opposite side of the spectrum I would just get some HD6XXs during the next drop and live with the 990s until then. If you need something to sample that kind of sound, I'm not even kidding, get some $30 porta pros. They're obviously not as detailed at all, but they have exactly the same character to them and they're very musical and entertaining. I genuinely like those a lot more than my $200 fidelio l1s. Hard to believe but I just genuinely like listening to them more
Nice review!
Run a dedicated headphone amp + VoiceMeeter Banana EQ on PC = Win!
I can recommend Bizzy B's live DnB sessions on saturdays. Dope AF!
Stay awesome Z!
Lmao I've only seen a handfull of your videos and I've never really paid attention to the background, but are you using a server rack to just stack audio equipment?
Loved the sound on these. A little bit too much on the treble for me and the inside foam touched my ears which causes me pain after 10 mins. However they are definitely worth a try. Incredible value. I just wish they were as comfortable as the dt990
replace the pad
Delivers beste Sound in Farming Simulator.
Spaß, hier in Deutschland spielt man tatsächlich auch andere Computerspiele.
Thanks for the good Review, it gives me some wet dreams. Today, i buyed a pair of this delicious Headphones.
Grüße aus Deutschland
Keep it up!
Dear Z, Ordered and on the way; [They better sound as good as my M60x]. Please do a pad update vid. Best[Always], D.
Did you get them?
@@hawaiian-cerveza Yes, took about 6
wks. They are pretty end game, for $200. Thanks D.
@@darrellross8609 awesome! Congrats! Another review said the tygr has the sound stage of the akg k7xx. I've had the AKG Q701 and the sound stage is enormus. The hd800/S have the largest from what I've read. Do you have any experience with the AKG headphones for sound stage comparison?
will nur Spaß haben~~
btw, 58x Jubilee has detachable cable. for me, none-detachable cable is a deal-breaker now.
Kinda late here, but just in case anybody cares, the tygrs use the DT990 32 Ohm drivers, judging by beyerdynamic stating on their website that the „DT990 32 Ohm system“ is compatible with the TYGRs. They also state that the DT770 32 Ohm Systems are compatible with the MMX300. If that‘s really the truth, I‘m just asking myself like... why wouldn’t you build the headphones the drivers were originally for that are made for music this good??
Zeos, you should compare those with the Beyerdynamic Custom Studio 80 Ohm: closed back, detachable 3.5mm 3-pole cable and customizable bass port! It's on Amazon for the same price as theze.
I've been waiting for this for so long!!
These are now €140 from Beyerdynamic!
Finally, a headphone for furries that sounds good.
The Philips Fidelio X3 is going to have a run for its money.
When the X3 will come out? Waitng for so long...
Juat got a pair of these for 70 pounds on ebay 😊
you should definitely make a pretend "german" cover-song album.....it would go platinum in a week!!! 😆
Bought them after DMS reviewed them, absolutely love them ❤️
They are pretty good. I was actually surprised. My issue is the left driver hits my ear and vibrates and i cant tell if its me or an issue with the cans.
@@jross1798 not sure about that. The top of my ear touches the inside too, but doesn't vibrate for me
@barbosa pereira Not better. Very similar, easier to listen too. The Dt1990 is much more analytical, can feel harsh sometimes. I run these off a tube amp and it fixes all that, plus adds a bit of warmth and staging. Quite fantastic
@@jross1798 hi man, wouldn't you think that an Earpads replacement would solve the problem? The ones on the mx300 in the video seems good
i am german and i laughed my ass off on your german-impression. Great review with the right amount of swearing just how i like it. Oh and great headphones too.
Mannn I want to buy these but they are STILL only for sale directly from beyer and they are sold out... Kind of stupid seeing as to how much people want them
I live in Germany and i just bought them for 139,00€ and no shipping fees.
I love living in Germany.
bro no shipping for turkey fuck
I have a collection of headphones based mostly on your recomendation Z: Hifiman 4xx, Sennheiser HD 660s, BLON B20 (!), KPH30i, Porta pro, Beyerdynamic 770 80 ohm (that's not you >)) ) and the last one is TYGR 300R. These. the TYGR 300r are easily the best for my taste.
I want to point out something really interesting! Althou I don't trust you in all of your recommendations, when DMS is giving a good review and you spell it out for us with your ~thing~, the combination is very good. I think you should work together more ----> for us, not for the companies!!!. I can confirm this now as a regular buyer, that when you do your thing properly, there is something realyy good coming out. I`m pretty sure the next buy for me is emotiva + DT 880 600 ohms, because these TYGR's are amazing (using them right now with micro IFI BL, but tried out with xduoo and other stuff that you recomended over time.
So, congratulations! nice one, really nice one!
Wow, these are much better than the hd660s?
@@giladkingsley not better, different is right word. better for my taste thou :)
@@tcrystyan that's impressive, I recently got a pair of used LCD-2C for 350$ including a fiio e12, I'm really liking them, but they really need EQ to shine.
I really want to try the TYGR 🙃
Beyerdynamic 770 80 ohm or this ones for imersion in games?
Can you buy a hyperx cloud 2 and compare that Gaming hp. to the Tigers :P
these over the 58x?
All i could focus on is that anime cat
Id rather buy from manufacturer then through amazon these days. Cut the middleman taking a chunk of revenue.
How do these compare to the Vokyls?
Quick question:
Just saw your sennheiser 660s review.
If I'm able to pick between the 2 which should I pick for gaming?
6:00 that rage is nothing compared to what I feel when you praise a subwoofer that I'd need to ship from the US to get it because it is not sold anywhere in the rest of the fucking world or several Drop Products that are only sold on drop.
7:00 laughing fit, in german: Lachanfall
Interesting question for Zeos and all, what kind of replacement pads would you use on your DT990 or 880? (Can't order EDT990V right now because of Corona)
Looks like they just took an 880 painted it and added some foam mods. Lol
Why shouldn't they most of the lower price tier of beyer are build on the same platform wich enables these low prices kind of like in the automotive industry. This puts them in great position where you can go for what is the most appealing sound for you rather than compare designs and notice the once which dont hurt you are not available with your favourit driver.
The one you really need to try zeos is the beyerdynamic T1 2nd Gen, legitimately the best headphone that they make
@Kris Moodley well I've never heard the 1990 pro, but my pair is exceptionally smooth, I'm still getting detail, but the treble is never intrusive and I would consider myself to be treble sensitive, couldn't handle the sendy aiva for that reason, it's also a little mid forward with elevated bass as well, it's become my new favorite headphone
If you’re new to this channel, the phrase “jizz wildly” is used in this video.
ordered mine may 20th mine definitely didn't say 5-7 days. Mine said 3-4 weeks for shipping without the microphone, wish they were on amazon.
Just got a pair, it's really good. It's like 1990 with better mids and better comfort at 30% price. BTW I returned my 1990 but I will defenitely keep TYGR. Great headphones!
How large is the sound atage in comparason to the AKG Q701?
@@hawaiian-cerveza I had AKG K712 Pro and AKG had much much larger soundstage.
@@michaelsi6770 thats what I was afraid of. I love the vast soundstage.
Is the tyger even close to it in comparason?
A youtuber said it was close to the 7xx.
@@hawaiian-cerveza I think soundstage is wide enough. Not 712 pro, but still wide. But Tygr are bad gaming headphones, the sound is too agressive for gaming. For music good tho.
@@hawaiian-cerveza but 1 think i dont like is soft base, like "wet poop" like someone noticed.
The headphones were on Amazon as standalone item, but DMS and some others reviewed and I think people started buying them. I found these by accident a while ago and they were always in stock, but not anymore. Lol
There's a review on Amazon that say these are garbage for music quality compared with the much cheaper DT990pro.
Cant wait for the 880 review. I really home the El Amp II can power them.
These or the HD560S is the question.
Just bought these only lightly used. 120€! I couldn't order these as new, because I'm in Finland. Lucky me...
should i get the TYGR or the DT990 PRO
What do you need it for?
@@nasserakasheh hey man, if im into hip-hop/rap music and love competitive shooter/casual FPS. What should I get between the two?
@@danielp121 do you have an amp to drive a 250 ohm?
Those guys on the Tygr page are Simon Kretschmer and Daniel Budiman from a german gaming-nerd-whatever-channel on YT.