I have a feeling this one is going to make me very angry. So parents ignored their kid telling them of a body. And other adults ignored kids screaming for help! Unbelievable.
Maybe you have never heard a bunch of teenagers larking around? You would swear one of them was being murdered. My daughter in law went over to a neighbours house where the 2 teenagers had 2 friends round, they were screaming and yelling help etc, she told them she would ring the police if they kept it up! They were gob smacked, and said they were just larking around.
@@pickles3128Yes, I've heard of this tactic. It's proven to have worked in inner-city areas. Depending on your stress response, could you remember to yell that instead of help... A word which is ingrained into us as the first thing to signal for assistance? I think if I was being attacked violently in public thinking logically to yell 'fire!' would be the last thing in my mind :/
What's heart breaking is the rotten cops attitude when a missing child is reported missing , bastards want to tell you stories of how 99% will turn up in a few days come back and we'll take the report if the child's not returned .. How putrid is that attitude no wonder 🤔 they carry the pig name so well when this is the amount of focus let alone attention they give to missing children.
Dont you mean investigate first and then call the cops?After all, if you went and there was on body,you would have called the cops for nothing.Also,you dont want to be there and have the cops come upon you and the body.@@spongefun
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@@cubbi2789a lot of countries do this. It’s ridiculous though, bc what if he is acquitted for some reason, or let go early (which they usually are)? Then he’s free to live his life, sometimes they are paid to relocate & get new identities too! Meanwhile, no one knows who he is, what he looks like, where he’s living now-and more ppl’s lives are in danger & they don’t even know! It’s unfair!
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I'm sure it is tho. You just don't see reports of mannequins found because it isn't news worthy. A dead body obviously makes news where as a discarded mannequin never does.
Literally in my city, just a few months ago, someone reported a “body” that turned out to be a blow-up doll. That is the one and only time in history that it will be a mannequin. I saved the news article.
What a horrible and cruel event. The poor parents and all the people of the tow. We let criminals just run free to wreak havoc. This guy should have been locked up way before these horrible events.
To be fair, prior to the murders, he committed petty thefts, which don't hold long sentences. I'm not sure why the DA did not charge him with the fire, though.
There are not words built to encompass my feelings about the bloody incompetence of the judiciary in the case. The trouble is, these crimes are fortunately outliers. Most police never see cases like this. There's an unsolved case similar to this in my village, just outside Brighton. The only evidence I've heard of was the poor lads body and a bent steak knife. Nearly sixty years ago now. I know the guy 's brother well. It hit the family hard, Pete still wants to know who killed his brother.
This is tragic on all levels, including Jan's abusive upbringing (which is almost always how people end up capable of such sick and twisted behavior. My heart goes out to sweet Tobias and all who cared for him. Also to Nina and all who truly loved her. It sounds like she didn't have a stable family, which is just further tragedy. 💔😥💔
But we don't know what kind of abuse or how bad; there was literally zero detail beyond the word "abused" and then the sociopathic stuff HE did as a kid. If I correctly understand psychologists, truly, naturally, "bad seeds" are rare in the world, but Jan sounds like he may be one of those.
Children don’t make up stories like that. Kids are brutally honest. And most of the time their “vivid imaginations,” are pure innocence. Not murdered children in the woods!
@6:45 Even if you alert the locals, that doesn't automatically prevent another victim--we knew about lots of serial killers early on in their career and they could still find victims despite the public's precautions. So i don't think it's fair to say that Tobias's murder could've ABSOLUTELY been prevented... It would've only helped the odds. And as Tobias sounded like a cautious boy, maybe his family would have kept him indoors while there was a missing kid in the area, but again if the girl was known as a runaway, perhaps the parents wouldn't have really believed it was an abduction/murder anyway.
Yeah I was kind of surprised how certain she sounded about that too. I was getting so angry hearing about the two girls who waited to tell anyone and the parents who didn't believe the girl who did finally tell ....REALLY angry, because I was thinking along these same lines, how if Nina had been found that first day, Tobias' family --might-- PROBABLY wouldn't have let him go out alone. In fact if Jan made that Facebook post right after killing Nina and his criminal record had led to questioning him as fast as it did after Tobias death .... then Tobias would have lived because Jan would have been in custody. But to talk like all those "ifs" absolutely would have become "thens" just sounds hysterical. Like she's almost assigning criminal responsibility to people other than Jan for Tobias' death.
That's how i heard it too--her certainty seemed stronger than the facts supporting it. I wonder why she felt so 'certain' about it tho? Makes me wonder if there was additional info that maybe got edited out?@@audreymuzingo933
Some might say he only had 2 victims.. but this guy is a very twisted individual. Imagine how much of a nightmare it would have been if he was able to continue on with his depraved atrocities?? I wish he could have been stopped before destroying those 2 kids & their families.. The signs were there that he was a danger to peoples safety yet they let him roam freely & look at the damage he did.. This is something monster myths are made of if it happened back in the day..
Unfortunate upbringing, However most people who have horrific childhoods DO NOT go on to become violent or murderous. Justification because of his childhood is just that, justification
This is heartbreaking! And the opportunities missed to prevent one or both these children's murders makes it even worse. I know kids tell stories and have vivid imaginations, but I still wouldn't just automatically assume a child is lying or mistaken about something this serious, I mean how often did the child tell his parents that he'd seen a body? I'd at least go have a quick look to be sure. So tragic.
Saying that the boy would absolutely be alive if they had found the girl earlier is not right. There are many serial killers who continued to kill while they were actively searched for by the police and the town.
For those wondering, in places such as Germany, The Netherlands & Sweden it is the default is to protect an accused’s - and in some instances, a convicted person’s - identity. There are varied reasons for this. I'm neither advocating nor condemning. Does anyone remember when the two German men who murdered an actor in the 1990s sued Wikipedia for naming them in their online articles? Once released from prison they were successful in having the German language version remove their names to protect their identities. But this was reversed later in 2009.
Ten minutes and there's already multiple comments vilifying people for thinking that they saw a mannequin. 🙄 It's a normal reaction. No one knows what they're going to think or do in a situation that you've never been in. I can't imagine criticizing anyone for having a normal reaction to a horrible sight.
Never talk to strangers especially creepy ones while alone in the woods and if your kid says they saw a dead body dont brush it off as a mannequin, report it. This case is a living nightmare.
Except the 99.9% of times when it really is just a mannequin and therefore nobody makes a video about it. This is a great illustration of survivorship bias, which is something you most likely suffer from in various other ways. You should probably stop. 😏
I don’t understand how the German authorities can release pictures of the accused, but won't release their full name...strange. I don’t believe this guy would've stopped until he was caught and unfortunately because of the lack of investigation around poor Nina's death by both the police and the parents of the boy who reported it to them, perhaps Tobias would still be alive today. And poor Beatrice, Tobias' mum, she'll never get those images out of her mind everytime she thinks about finding him, what a cruel twist of fate that turned out to be. RIP Nina & Tobias, 2 beautiful children taken so brutally 🩷🩵💔💔
One of the reasons I like your channel is that you are typically a very respectful narrator of these kinds of cases, and broadly I think you did a pretty job here too. However, around the 6m30 mark, your language implies that some of the blame for Tobias's death is due to the fact that the child who discovered Nina's body wasn't believed -- however, not only would any parent prefer to think that their child hadn't found a body, these parents also hadn't heard of a missing child. The fact that they came forward later to report that their child had found the body suggests they were either upset that they hadn't believed their child, and/or furious that the police hadn't informed the public of the Nina's disappearance, both of which are understandable and further suggest that they did care. I'm not suggesting you pull the video, but perhaps pin a correction (not exactly the right word) to the top of the comments so as to avoid suggesting fault on the part of anyone bar the criminal and police. Nina having home troubles did not, after all, make her safer on the streets than any other child her age; if anything, it may have made her more vulnerable.
DC, youre a terrific storyteller, and I love your work. Except this one. It's the case and the perpetrator. It's gruesome and I had to stop watching the video 😞 Those poor children..... May they rest in peace. Condolences to their families.
Yes there was a little *too* much detail regarding the crimes for me. It's just so heartbreaking. 😞 I'm thankful the perpetrator was caught & convicted, though.
Failed by the authorities and adults missing the opportunity to investigate what could have saved the boy's life . His own mother had to find him, lifeless.
Appreciate your clear and sensitive work here. I do wonder, a detail, why do German authorities blur the faces of the murderer? (I figure it was German authorities who did so.) 'Ah the tender privacy and feelings of wanton brutal rapists and murderers'
I lost a son 14 years ago. And although his cause of death was not as horrific as these children’s; the pain of losing him was crushing. Tobias was such a kind and gentle boy. I can only imagine his mother’s heartbreak. 🤍🪽
I don't understand why people criticize that when it's a natural reaction. The human brain is wired to protect itself from horrible and frightening sights. You don't know how you're going to react until you're in the situation. SMH.
@@MdnightWndPlus, it's incredibly rare, so they're thinking it must be something else. I know myself, though. There is no way I wouldn't check into it. At the very least, they could have called police to check it out.
My thoughts and comments are numerous: - Rarely have I been able to say, "f--k this guy" about a criminla with so much conviction. - Clearly, the notion of prosecutors and law enforcement being "soft" or indifferent isn't unique to the United States. - The early discovery of the girl's body, and the police's refusal to believe it, is a sad and very revealing twist on the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf": they really owed those kids an apology for not believing them. When kids make up stories, we really need to ask why, instead of dismissing them.
As there are people, who always assume the worst, there are people who refuse to believe or consider things they don't want to be true. There is often some magical thinking involved, as they assume, either consciously or subconsciously, by believing or even considering a bad thing (like there being a real murdered child) they make it happen in the first place - the advanced form of "positive thinking" so to say.
I’m confused…Why a trial if he admitted guilt? Is this normal in Germany? Here in the US, there’d be a guilty plea hearing & sentencing hearing, but no trial.
In most European Courts, we still have a trial yes. It might be slightly shorter, if the defence decides to not have anyone testify aside from their client, and the prosecution might decide to call less witnesses - also, if it’s something that normally would be a jury trial, they might drop the jury… Most European countries can also keep an individual in custody for a longer duration prior to the trial, if the court orders so - and in several countries, plea deals doesn’t exist!
I get the sentiment but justice is never served for a murderer. My grandfather was murdered. For the family the public system can't do justice. The families can never heal. As long as that pain is there and their lived one is gone .... the wound still bleeds. Because it's senseless.
It's pretty obvious to me that simply locking someone in a prison cell for years accomplishes Nothing. The proof of that is how many repeat offenders there are. Furthermore, it's also obvious to me how many criminals had a bad childhood of some type. Although most people with bad childhoods never commit a crime, that doesn't help explain why so many criminals did have a bad childhood. Society must change from just punishing those who have already commited a crime to also consider how to prevent crime in the 1st place. It seems to me that really focusing on children with severe behavioral problems would be a place to start. If all of this sounds utopian, then consider that there was no crime as we know it today before 1800, before the Industrial Revolution. The 1st organized police dept in America was established in NYC in 1842, and the 1st modern prison was Eastern Penitentiary in Philadelphia was was completed in 1832. Yet no one ever asks why there was very little crime before the Indusrial Revolution. That's probably because fully answering that question would lead to an indictment of the Raw Capitalism that fueled the Industrial Revolution, and which still fuels the World Economy even today.
This is another case which makes me that capital punishment should be considered appropriate. Imagine having to pay taxes that will contribute to feeding, housing and provision of medical care for the monster who killed your child. RIP Tobias and Nina.
How about you stop trying to impose your own views on other countries? While the death sentence can get rid of dangerous murderers, it can also lead to the deaths of countless men who are innocent or mostly-innocent of what they are accused of. That is unacceptable.
Why do they have the murderer's face pixilated and his last name not revealed? He freely (and joyously it seems) admitted his guilt--why does he get these rights?
Oh My God. This is horrifying. What a horrific death those kids suffered. How can a child tell u that he has seen a body and you not curious enough to go check it out. And the other heard cry for help and didn't bother go check it out, even if kids play there, they should have checked it out. But instead they decided to ignore it. If only they checked it out maybe the kids would still be alive. Can't imagine the pain those kids went through. Rip Tobias and Nina
Since when in the system we went from censoring out the face/pics of the victim to now covering the criminal and showing the faces or other pics of the victim
I'm shocked that the parents thought their kid was making up the story of finding a dead body! They should've still went and looked. Then if it's a lie, deal with that.
I just don't understand people at all I guess. Is it not weird for two 9-year-olds to be too scared to tell anyone they found a dead body? Scared of what exactly? I get being scared by seeing the body itself, but I would still be telling every grown-up and every kid I came into contact with, starting IM-MED-I-ATE-LY, until someone believed me and went to check. And this was TWO kids mind you, so either or both could have been heroes. And then there are the parents of the girl who finally did tell ...... how the hell do you just straight up ASSUME that your 9-year-old can't possibly tell the difference between a mannequin and a real person? Assume she's _probably_ wrong but check anyway? -YEAH. Hope she's wrong but check anyway. -YEAH. The "she has a vivid imagination" thing is no excuse.
@@eadweard. Fair point. And the UA-cam creator who explained it also said that Tobias' death would not have happened if the girls had reported Nina's body and were taken seriously. That _might_ be true, but it's quite a stretch to say it so assertively. In fact for all we know, there are things she didn't say because they don't support her assertion. Like maybe the girls only saw the body from far enough away that they weren't sure it was a real person, or maybe they had reasons to be afraid to tell, like they weren't supposed to be in that location.
So many deviant killers say they were abused, as children, but I don't believe sex killers, ever. Most from today would think I was abused, and my peers, but our parents got punishments far worse, so why has crime steadily been downgraded, to make society feel safe, yet violent crime has increased since I was a child in the 60s?
RIP Tobias...........you are safe in the arms of Jesus now. RIP Nina..............you too are safe in the arms of Jesus. In November at 8pm it would have been pitch black by that time, why would a young boy of 13years be allowed out by himself so late? If your child, no matter how much of a vivid imagination you thought they had, said they had found a body in the woods would you not go to check it out ...................just in case? I know I would! The monster knew Tobias was a boy as soon as he made the little boy undress.......before he murdered him......why say he knew when he laid on top of the little boy's corpse that he was a male?? This monster knew Tobias was a little boy but he still wanted to kill him. It does not bear to think about the terror this little girl and little boy went through at the hands of this monster, and especially if Tobias already seen the dead body of the little girl.......even more terror welling up inside of him knowing this was how he was going to end up. This monster was 'a murderer waiting to happen'. The world is a beautiful place, the people not so much!
Such a sad case this is! I'm really glad I'm a gay woman. I don't have to worry about any of these guys who turn out to be psychotic and cause harm to women and children. Such bad things some guys do! My gosh!😨
If my kid found a body I would say it's none of our business unless it's a child's. body. Adults do things all the time to get themselves took out which is none of my business but kids never deserve to be hurt!!
So everyone could ignore the murdered body of your father/mother/sister/brother/favourite aunt because, hey, it's none of their business? Thankfully, many of us do have empathy towards others and would do something about it.
This comment is disturbing on so many levels, I hope one day you can change this horrid way of thinking and know that living life is not a crime nor a justification for murder. So I guess all the elderly people that get viewed as paychecks that get murdered due to serving their purpose just don’t matter? Parents like you that get snatched off the street or robbed after work just trying to provide for their children, they can be forgotten as well? What about victims of mass murders? Do they deserve to die because they were out at the wrong place and wrong time? I pray you will never have to experience the pain of having a cherished and loved adult so cruelly and prematurely taken from your life. I hope you are not passing your revolting lack of empathy onto your children or even worse, letting it effect their lives.
My kid tells me a body’s outside I’m going to get off my ass and go look that’s for sure. It’s never a mannequin!!
I have a feeling this one is going to make me very angry. So parents ignored their kid telling them of a body. And other adults ignored kids screaming for help! Unbelievable.
Germans are really strange people.
And unfortunately, people hearing screams, yet “thinking nothing of it” seems to happen a lot.
Maybe you have never heard a bunch of teenagers larking around? You would swear one of them was being murdered. My daughter in law went over to a neighbours house where the 2 teenagers had 2 friends round, they were screaming and yelling help etc, she told them she would ring the police if they kept it up! They were gob smacked, and said they were just larking around.
@@wesner326They taught us in scouts to yell fire over help. People take you more seriously
@@pickles3128Yes, I've heard of this tactic. It's proven to have worked in inner-city areas.
Depending on your stress response, could you remember to yell that instead of help... A word which is ingrained into us as the first thing to signal for assistance? I think if I was being attacked violently in public thinking logically to yell 'fire!' would be the last thing in my mind :/
So heartbreaking that this poor Childs mom had discovered her son. This killer is a sick sick man.!
What's heart breaking is the rotten cops attitude when a missing child is reported missing , bastards want to tell you stories of how 99% will turn up in a few days come back and we'll take the report if the child's not returned ..
How putrid is that attitude no wonder 🤔 they carry the pig name so well when this is the amount of focus let alone attention they give to missing children.
What unimaginable pain. My God, I'm not a parent but I would not wish that on my worst enemy.
If my kid told me s/he found a body, I would have gone to investigate.
Yeah really. Sheesh.
@@EllaBella-76 I’d do both. Call cops first then investigate. But why reply to me only when someone else said same thing.
I agree.
@spongefun why are you paranoid because one person responded to your thoughts? 😂
Dont you mean investigate first and then call the cops?After all, if you went and there was on body,you would have called the cops for nothing.Also,you dont want to be there and have the cops come upon you and the body.@@spongefun
Ich kann mich gut an den Fall erinnern. Sehr traurig die Geschichte. Danke das Du sie so ausführlich und mit Empathie erzählt hast.
I was born in Germany so cases like this really get me in the gut.
@@liviavallendenez Ja, wenn Kinder betroffen sind ist es das schlimmste.
Und wir wissen, wie häufig diese Dämonen wieder auf freiem Fuß gesetzt werden. Sowas kann man nicht heilen. Die Totesstrafe scheint mir hier angebracht
Eich sicken gleeman globen
Ridiculous that the perpetrator of these crimes gets the luxury of having his privacy
He doesn't deserve having his name remembered.
According to the article I found, it’s normal for German authorities to hide certain things. They even withheld his last name to 😞
@@cubbi2789a lot of countries do this. It’s ridiculous though, bc what if he is acquitted for some reason, or let go early (which they usually are)? Then he’s free to live his life, sometimes they are paid to relocate & get new identities too! Meanwhile, no one knows who he is, what he looks like, where he’s living now-and more ppl’s lives are in danger & they don’t even know! It’s unfair!
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@@kittikat2318i was thinking the same thing. It’s like the criminals in some countries are being protected??!! Infuriating!
It's never a mannequin.
No, never.
I'm sure it is tho. You just don't see reports of mannequins found because it isn't news worthy. A dead body obviously makes news where as a discarded mannequin never does.
It sometimes is. You are more likely to find a mannequin than a corpse. I myself found a life size "doll" hanging from a noose in a copse of trees.
Literally in my city, just a few months ago, someone reported a “body” that turned out to be a blow-up doll. That is the one and only time in history that it will be a mannequin. I saved the news article.
@littleblackcar I think I heard about that, was it a realistic "adult doll" found in the river and it had loads of "stab wounds"? Bit freaky!
My heart bleeds for these two young people and their families. Absolutely senseless.
Jan is crazy beyond belief how many more victims would he have if he wasn't caught when he was
The REAL Question is how many victims did he have that the Police still don't know about.
It’s never a mannequin…..
Always the same mistakes from law enforcement yet they never seem to learn from them
What mistakes did law enforcement make?
wokery and weak liberal virtue signalling always has repercussions.
It's the funky woke courts and "human rights" lawyers who let nut cases free.
The system works harder to protect this monster than to do their actual job, amazing.
What a horrible and cruel event. The poor parents and all the people of the tow. We let criminals just run free to wreak havoc. This guy should have been locked up way before these horrible events.
To be fair, prior to the murders, he committed petty thefts, which don't hold long sentences. I'm not sure why the DA did not charge him with the fire, though.
There are not words built to encompass my feelings about the bloody incompetence of the judiciary in the case. The trouble is, these crimes are fortunately outliers. Most police never see cases like this. There's an unsolved case similar to this in my village, just outside Brighton. The only evidence I've heard of was the poor lads body and a bent steak knife. Nearly sixty years ago now. I know the guy 's brother well. It hit the family hard, Pete still wants to know who killed his brother.
Do you know if there was any non-victim DNA found anywhere at the crime scene?
No, I'm not privy to that information. One suspect moved to Canada not long after the murder.@@audreymuzingo933
A kid says he saw a dead body and nobody does anything? Unbelievable
This has to be the most vile case I've heard of on your channel.
Thank you DC. May those little ones be healthy and happy now. Forever. And may her loved ones find peace too💔🙏🏼🕊️🪽🦌
This is tragic on all levels, including Jan's abusive upbringing (which is almost always how people end up capable of such sick and twisted behavior.
My heart goes out to sweet Tobias and all who cared for him. Also to Nina and all who truly loved her. It sounds like she didn't have a stable family, which is just further tragedy.
💔😥💔
But we don't know what kind of abuse or how bad; there was literally zero detail beyond the word "abused" and then the sociopathic stuff HE did as a kid. If I correctly understand psychologists, truly, naturally, "bad seeds" are rare in the world, but Jan sounds like he may be one of those.
@@audreymuzingo933 or a bit of both, maybe? Bad seed, then exacerbated and shaped by events?
@@ChrisAndCats Sure, could be. But what events? Do we just guess about that too?
Children don’t make up stories like that. Kids are brutally honest. And most of the time their “vivid imaginations,” are pure innocence. Not murdered children in the woods!
Children absolutely do make up stories.
What a heartbreaking case, and in hindsight, it could've all been avoided.
@6:45 Even if you alert the locals, that doesn't automatically prevent another victim--we knew about lots of serial killers early on in their career and they could still find victims despite the public's precautions. So i don't think it's fair to say that Tobias's murder could've ABSOLUTELY been prevented... It would've only helped the odds. And as Tobias sounded like a cautious boy, maybe his family would have kept him indoors while there was a missing kid in the area, but again if the girl was known as a runaway, perhaps the parents wouldn't have really believed it was an abduction/murder anyway.
Exactly
Yeah I was kind of surprised how certain she sounded about that too. I was getting so angry hearing about the two girls who waited to tell anyone and the parents who didn't believe the girl who did finally tell ....REALLY angry, because I was thinking along these same lines, how if Nina had been found that first day, Tobias' family --might-- PROBABLY wouldn't have let him go out alone. In fact if Jan made that Facebook post right after killing Nina and his criminal record had led to questioning him as fast as it did after Tobias death .... then Tobias would have lived because Jan would have been in custody.
But to talk like all those "ifs" absolutely would have become "thens" just sounds hysterical. Like she's almost assigning criminal responsibility to people other than Jan for Tobias' death.
That's how i heard it too--her certainty seemed stronger than the facts supporting it. I wonder why she felt so 'certain' about it tho? Makes me wonder if there was additional info that maybe got edited out?@@audreymuzingo933
Maybe the mother of Tobias would have been more unlikely to let him go out by himself if it was public that a child had been killed.
Some might say he only had 2 victims.. but this guy is a very twisted individual. Imagine how much of a nightmare it would have been if he was able to continue on with his depraved atrocities?? I wish he could have been stopped before destroying those 2 kids & their families.. The signs were there that he was a danger to peoples safety yet they let him roam freely & look at the damage he did.. This is something monster myths are made of if it happened back in the day..
I think if I'm being attacked I will scream "fire!".... "help" is now like the car alarm you ignore.
I believe with all my heart that abusive, neglectful parents should be held accountable when their kids turn into monsters.
Until your kid does something.
@@redtobertshateshandles I said abusive, neglectful parents, not good parents who had a kid turn out bad.
Unfortunate upbringing, However most people who have horrific childhoods DO NOT go on to become violent or murderous. Justification because of his childhood is just that, justification
He had no regret except that he was caught.
Thank you!
This is heartbreaking! And the opportunities missed to prevent one or both these children's murders makes it even worse. I know kids tell stories and have vivid imaginations, but I still wouldn't just automatically assume a child is lying or mistaken about something this serious, I mean how often did the child tell his parents that he'd seen a body? I'd at least go have a quick look to be sure. So tragic.
Saying that the boy would absolutely be alive if they had found the girl earlier is not right. There are many serial killers who continued to kill while they were actively searched for by the police and the town.
Justice...idk...nothing feels like it would be justice for something such as this ...
Still one of my favorites YT channels. ❤
For those wondering, in places such as Germany, The Netherlands & Sweden it is the default is to protect an accused’s - and in some instances, a convicted person’s - identity. There are varied reasons for this. I'm neither advocating nor condemning.
Does anyone remember when the two German men who murdered an actor in the 1990s sued Wikipedia for naming them in their online articles? Once released from prison they were successful in having the German language version remove their names to protect their identities. But this was reversed later in 2009.
Ten minutes and there's already multiple comments vilifying people for thinking that they saw a mannequin. 🙄 It's a normal reaction. No one knows what they're going to think or do in a situation that you've never been in. I can't imagine criticizing anyone for having a normal reaction to a horrible sight.
It’s a bit of an online joke… I don’t think people are deliberately being mean.
It's never a mannequin
Never talk to strangers especially creepy ones while alone in the woods and if your kid says they saw a dead body dont brush it off as a mannequin, report it. This case is a living nightmare.
True crime rule number 13:
It's never a mannequin. 😬
Except the 99.9% of times when it really is just a mannequin and therefore nobody makes a video about it.
This is a great illustration of survivorship bias, which is something you most likely suffer from in various other ways. You should probably stop. 😏
@@othertalk3313
How many mannequins do you suppose people find laying around on average?
@@grandmufftwerkin9037 More than zero. More often than people finding a dead body. More than "never".
@@othertalk3313
I need hard numbers. How many mannequins are found dumped on a yearly average?
@@othertalk3313
Btw, you know I wasn't being literal, right?
is this a reupload? i vaguely remember watching this before
I don’t understand how the German authorities can release pictures of the accused, but won't release their full name...strange.
I don’t believe this guy would've stopped until he was caught and unfortunately because of the lack of investigation around poor Nina's death by both the police and the parents of the boy who reported it to them, perhaps Tobias would still be alive today.
And poor Beatrice, Tobias' mum, she'll never get those images out of her mind everytime she thinks about finding him, what a cruel twist of fate that turned out to be.
RIP Nina & Tobias, 2 beautiful children taken so brutally 🩷🩵💔💔
Have you done this case before? I feel like dejavu.
Yeah, I was thinking the same.
I sincerely hate parents that ignore their children when they speak, they don't deserve to have them.
One of the reasons I like your channel is that you are typically a very respectful narrator of these kinds of cases, and broadly I think you did a pretty job here too. However, around the 6m30 mark, your language implies that some of the blame for Tobias's death is due to the fact that the child who discovered Nina's body wasn't believed -- however, not only would any parent prefer to think that their child hadn't found a body, these parents also hadn't heard of a missing child. The fact that they came forward later to report that their child had found the body suggests they were either upset that they hadn't believed their child, and/or furious that the police hadn't informed the public of the Nina's disappearance, both of which are understandable and further suggest that they did care. I'm not suggesting you pull the video, but perhaps pin a correction (not exactly the right word) to the top of the comments so as to avoid suggesting fault on the part of anyone bar the criminal and police.
Nina having home troubles did not, after all, make her safer on the streets than any other child her age; if anything, it may have made her more vulnerable.
DC, youre a terrific storyteller, and I love your work. Except this one. It's the case and the perpetrator. It's gruesome and I had to stop watching the video 😞 Those poor children..... May they rest in peace. Condolences to their families.
Yes there was a little *too* much detail regarding the crimes for me. It's just so heartbreaking. 😞
I'm thankful the perpetrator was caught & convicted, though.
My heartfelt condlences to the families.
“Thought it was a scarecrow” is crazy.
Failed by the authorities and adults missing the opportunity to investigate what could have saved the boy's life . His own mother had to find him, lifeless.
For those who celebrate Thanksgiving...please be safe and safe stay home.
Appreciate your clear and sensitive work here. I do wonder, a detail, why do German authorities blur the faces of the murderer? (I figure it was German authorities who did so.) 'Ah the tender privacy and feelings of wanton brutal rapists and murderers'
As always well told.👏
I lost a son 14 years ago. And although his cause of death was not as horrific as these children’s; the pain of losing him was crushing. Tobias was such a kind and gentle boy. I can only imagine his mother’s heartbreak. 🤍🪽
How many times has it been assumed to be a mannequin yet its never a mannequin so why would you assume that first
I don't understand why people criticize that when it's a natural reaction. The human brain is wired to protect itself from horrible and frightening sights. You don't know how you're going to react until you're in the situation. SMH.
It's never a mannequin 😢
I think it's in part because most people don't want to get involved, so they explain it off as something else to excuse themselves.
@@MdnightWndPlus, it's incredibly rare, so they're thinking it must be something else. I know myself, though. There is no way I wouldn't check into it. At the very least, they could have called police to check it out.
Because finding a dead body is probably rarer than finding a mannequin.
My thoughts and comments are numerous:
- Rarely have I been able to say, "f--k this guy" about a criminla with so much conviction.
- Clearly, the notion of prosecutors and law enforcement being "soft" or indifferent isn't unique to the United States.
- The early discovery of the girl's body, and the police's refusal to believe it, is a sad and very revealing twist on the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf": they really owed those kids an apology for not believing them. When kids make up stories, we really need to ask why, instead of dismissing them.
As there are people, who always assume the worst, there are people who refuse to believe or consider things they don't want to be true. There is often some magical thinking involved, as they assume, either consciously or subconsciously, by believing or even considering a bad thing (like there being a real murdered child) they make it happen in the first place - the advanced form of "positive thinking" so to say.
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I’m confused…Why a trial if he admitted guilt? Is this normal in Germany? Here in the US, there’d be a guilty plea hearing & sentencing hearing, but no trial.
In most European Courts, we still have a trial yes.
It might be slightly shorter, if the defence decides to not have anyone testify aside from their client, and the prosecution might decide to call less witnesses - also, if it’s something that normally would be a jury trial, they might drop the jury…
Most European countries can also keep an individual in custody for a longer duration prior to the trial, if the court orders so - and in several countries, plea deals doesn’t exist!
In Sweden we don’t have different trials for conviction and sentencing. Everything happens in one trial.
@@gabriellahedarv1782She didn't say anything about multiple trials.
So senseless. My sympathy to both families. I’m thankful the murderer was caught as I don’t believe he would have ever stopped on his own.
Jan O covered himself in blood at the murder scene. Yet he wasn't seen and stopped going home?
Its a smallish place, there was probably nobody out on the streets.
Not only that but I don't want to put my kids in danger over someone else's problems!
Heartbreaking a horrible evil person
I get the sentiment but justice is never served for a murderer. My grandfather was murdered. For the family the public system can't do justice. The families can never heal. As long as that pain is there and their lived one is gone .... the wound still bleeds. Because it's senseless.
It's pretty obvious to me that simply locking someone in a prison cell for years accomplishes Nothing. The proof of that is how many repeat offenders there are. Furthermore, it's also obvious to me how many criminals had a bad childhood of some type. Although most people with bad childhoods never commit a crime, that doesn't help explain why so many criminals did have a bad childhood.
Society must change from just punishing those who have already commited a crime to also consider how to prevent crime in the 1st place. It seems to me that really focusing on children with severe behavioral problems would be a place to start.
If all of this sounds utopian, then consider that there was no crime as we know it today before 1800, before the Industrial Revolution. The 1st organized police dept in America was established in NYC in 1842, and the 1st modern prison was Eastern Penitentiary in Philadelphia was was completed in 1832. Yet no one ever asks why there was very little crime before the Indusrial Revolution. That's probably because fully answering that question would lead to an indictment of the Raw Capitalism that fueled the Industrial Revolution, and which still fuels the World Economy even today.
No one asks that because it's utter nonsense.
I enjoyed your comment gave me food for thought.
This is another case which makes me that capital punishment should be considered appropriate. Imagine having to pay taxes that will contribute to feeding, housing and provision of medical care for the monster who killed your child. RIP Tobias and Nina.
Exactly
How about you stop trying to impose your own views on other countries?
While the death sentence can get rid of dangerous murderers, it can also lead to the deaths of countless men who are innocent or mostly-innocent of what they are accused of. That is unacceptable.
Why do they have the murderer's face pixilated and his last name not revealed? He freely (and joyously it seems) admitted his guilt--why does he get these rights?
Oh My God. This is horrifying. What a horrific death those kids suffered. How can a child tell u that he has seen a body and you not curious enough to go check it out. And the other heard cry for help and didn't bother go check it out, even if kids play there, they should have checked it out. But instead they decided to ignore it. If only they checked it out maybe the kids would still be alive. Can't imagine the pain those kids went through. Rip Tobias and Nina
Poor Nina, no one knew she was gone and the police didn't care to dig deeper into her disappearance.
Jesus this is DEPRAVED
I am a big fan of mind your own business except when it comes to protecting a child!
Why is the murderer's identity obscured?
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No way to know if the boy wouldn't have come to harm. Just mean the place he was found may have been different.
RIP! 😢😢😢😢😮
What is a "proud job-seeker"? @7:37 It sounds like a British euphemism for something, like "being on the dole" but i don't see it exactly.
Algo bump 😊
Its never a mannequin
Cases where it _is_ a mannequin don't get UA-cam videos made about them.
Since when in the system we went from censoring out the face/pics of the victim to now covering the criminal and showing the faces or other pics of the victim
I do not care for his back ground. He murdered.
Terrible crime!! Poor poor kids 😢 Rip 🥀🕯️🥀
Jan’s father may have had a premonition
Funny they blurred out the criminals…
We have the insane, and the stupid. I'm not halfway through the video yet.
We're doomed.
Why do they always say the victim was found in a pool of his own blood? Has anyone ever been found in a pool of someone else's blood?
Love this channel but I’m sorry you Can’t say say for sure that Tobias wouldn’t have been murdered still, he may have The chosen that spot again
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I'm shocked that the parents thought their kid was making up the story of finding a dead body! They should've still went and looked. Then if it's a lie, deal with that.
Prayers for the family for answers and justice
Beautiful kids which made them more of a target for the sicko.
He sounds like another Ted Bundy.
It's a shame it sounds like he's a sweet kid rest rip
Its always that same sentence
HE HAD A TROUBLED PAST
Every criminal always use that to the extent that i no longer believe it
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Thank God I'm not German.
How extraordinary.
I HATE HIM and cheerfully and lovingly reciprocated his actions.
But. Drawn out over YEARS
I just don't understand people at all I guess. Is it not weird for two 9-year-olds to be too scared to tell anyone they found a dead body? Scared of what exactly? I get being scared by seeing the body itself, but I would still be telling every grown-up and every kid I came into contact with, starting IM-MED-I-ATE-LY, until someone believed me and went to check. And this was TWO kids mind you, so either or both could have been heroes.
And then there are the parents of the girl who finally did tell ...... how the hell do you just straight up ASSUME that your 9-year-old can't possibly tell the difference between a mannequin and a real person? Assume she's _probably_ wrong but check anyway? -YEAH. Hope she's wrong but check anyway. -YEAH. The "she has a vivid imagination" thing is no excuse.
It's all very obvious to us, but then we've just watched a UA-cam video explaining everything.
@@eadweard. Fair point. And the UA-cam creator who explained it also said that Tobias' death would not have happened if the girls had reported Nina's body and were taken seriously. That _might_ be true, but it's quite a stretch to say it so assertively. In fact for all we know, there are things she didn't say because they don't support her assertion. Like maybe the girls only saw the body from far enough away that they weren't sure it was a real person, or maybe they had reasons to be afraid to tell, like they weren't supposed to be in that location.
So many deviant killers say they were abused, as children, but I don't believe sex killers, ever. Most from today would think I was abused, and my peers, but our parents got punishments far worse, so why has crime steadily been downgraded, to make society feel safe, yet violent crime has increased since I was a child in the 60s?
RIP Tobias...........you are safe in the arms of Jesus now.
RIP Nina..............you too are safe in the arms of Jesus.
In November at 8pm it would have been pitch black by that time, why would a young boy of 13years be allowed out by himself so late?
If your child, no matter how much of a vivid imagination you thought they had, said they had found a body in the woods would you not go to check it out ...................just in case? I know I would!
The monster knew Tobias was a boy as soon as he made the little boy undress.......before he murdered him......why say he knew when he laid on top of the little boy's corpse that he was a male?? This monster knew Tobias was a little boy but he still wanted to kill him.
It does not bear to think about the terror this little girl and little boy went through at the hands of this monster, and especially if Tobias already seen the dead body of the little girl.......even more terror welling up inside of him knowing this was how he was going to end up.
This monster was 'a murderer waiting to happen'.
The world is a beautiful place, the people not so much!
I can't hang with the stock footage. I just realized it loses my interest fast.
Well, I can’t help thinking that Jan O's dad was on to something….!
Such a sad case this is! I'm really glad I'm a gay woman. I don't have to worry about any of these guys who turn out to be psychotic and cause harm to women and children. Such bad things some guys do! My gosh!😨
It doesn't make you immune, look at poor Kitty Genovese and that young singer from Oregon, both were lesbians.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 well I'm a gay women who lives in a very safe college area who is a hermit. I'm almost 59 years old.
What difference would being gay have made?
@@eadweard. Because being a gay women means you don't date any guys and don't marry guys. I have a caring and loving girlfriend.🥰
There’s a lot of abuse in same sex relationship FYI. It does not make you immune. It’s a pretty ignorant thing to say.
If my kid found a body I would say it's none of our business unless it's a child's. body. Adults do things all the time to get themselves took out which is none of my business but kids never deserve to be hurt!!
So everyone could ignore the murdered body of your father/mother/sister/brother/favourite aunt because, hey, it's none of their business? Thankfully, many of us do have empathy towards others and would do something about it.
This comment is disturbing on so many levels, I hope one day you can change this horrid way of thinking and know that living life is not a crime nor a justification for murder. So I guess all the elderly people that get viewed as paychecks that get murdered due to serving their purpose just don’t matter? Parents like you that get snatched off the street or robbed after work just trying to provide for their children, they can be forgotten as well? What about victims of mass murders? Do they deserve to die because they were out at the wrong place and wrong time? I pray you will never have to experience the pain of having a cherished and loved adult so cruelly and prematurely taken from your life. I hope you are not passing your revolting lack of empathy onto your children or even worse, letting it effect their lives.
okay but come on when do you ever go out and find a "discarded mannequin"
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