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  • @BuckFidenMD4547
    @BuckFidenMD4547 11 місяців тому +92

    My kid tells me a body’s outside I’m going to get off my ass and go look that’s for sure. It’s never a mannequin!!

  • @blacklisted4885
    @blacklisted4885 11 місяців тому +149

    I have a feeling this one is going to make me very angry. So parents ignored their kid telling them of a body. And other adults ignored kids screaming for help! Unbelievable.

    • @ashleighsparkle8810
      @ashleighsparkle8810 11 місяців тому

      Germans are really strange people.

    • @wesner326
      @wesner326 11 місяців тому +21

      And unfortunately, people hearing screams, yet “thinking nothing of it” seems to happen a lot.

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 11 місяців тому +8

      Maybe you have never heard a bunch of teenagers larking around? You would swear one of them was being murdered. My daughter in law went over to a neighbours house where the 2 teenagers had 2 friends round, they were screaming and yelling help etc, she told them she would ring the police if they kept it up! They were gob smacked, and said they were just larking around.

    • @pickles3128
      @pickles3128 11 місяців тому +15

      ​@@wesner326They taught us in scouts to yell fire over help. People take you more seriously

    • @AthyDuGard
      @AthyDuGard 11 місяців тому +7

      ​@@pickles3128Yes, I've heard of this tactic. It's proven to have worked in inner-city areas.
      Depending on your stress response, could you remember to yell that instead of help... A word which is ingrained into us as the first thing to signal for assistance? I think if I was being attacked violently in public thinking logically to yell 'fire!' would be the last thing in my mind :/

  • @laurablassberg8559
    @laurablassberg8559 11 місяців тому +141

    So heartbreaking that this poor Childs mom had discovered her son. This killer is a sick sick man.!

    • @gregorybathurst7171
      @gregorybathurst7171 11 місяців тому +10

      What's heart breaking is the rotten cops attitude when a missing child is reported missing , bastards want to tell you stories of how 99% will turn up in a few days come back and we'll take the report if the child's not returned ..
      How putrid is that attitude no wonder 🤔 they carry the pig name so well when this is the amount of focus let alone attention they give to missing children.

    • @reginafromrio
      @reginafromrio 8 місяців тому +2

      What unimaginable pain. My God, I'm not a parent but I would not wish that on my worst enemy.

  • @RevLeigh55
    @RevLeigh55 11 місяців тому +87

    If my kid told me s/he found a body, I would have gone to investigate.

    • @spongefun
      @spongefun 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah really. Sheesh.

    • @spongefun
      @spongefun 11 місяців тому +2

      @@EllaBella-76 I’d do both. Call cops first then investigate. But why reply to me only when someone else said same thing.

    • @TheDriftwoodlover
      @TheDriftwoodlover 11 місяців тому

      I agree.

    • @WVgrl59
      @WVgrl59 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@spongefun why are you paranoid because one person responded to your thoughts? 😂

    • @Tempe1962
      @Tempe1962 9 місяців тому

      Dont you mean investigate first and then call the cops?After all, if you went and there was on body,you would have called the cops for nothing.Also,you dont want to be there and have the cops come upon you and the body.@@spongefun

  • @tanja5292
    @tanja5292 11 місяців тому +65

    Ich kann mich gut an den Fall erinnern. Sehr traurig die Geschichte. Danke das Du sie so ausführlich und mit Empathie erzählt hast.

    • @liviavallendenez
      @liviavallendenez 11 місяців тому +6

      I was born in Germany so cases like this really get me in the gut.

    • @tanja5292
      @tanja5292 11 місяців тому +11

      @@liviavallendenez Ja, wenn Kinder betroffen sind ist es das schlimmste.

    • @Locomaid
      @Locomaid 10 місяців тому

      Und wir wissen, wie häufig diese Dämonen wieder auf freiem Fuß gesetzt werden. Sowas kann man nicht heilen. Die Totesstrafe scheint mir hier angebracht

    • @SiViC74
      @SiViC74 10 місяців тому +1

      Eich sicken gleeman globen

  • @Emiliapocalypse
    @Emiliapocalypse 11 місяців тому +148

    Ridiculous that the perpetrator of these crimes gets the luxury of having his privacy

    • @MajesticalHonky
      @MajesticalHonky 11 місяців тому +15

      He doesn't deserve having his name remembered.

    • @cubbi2789
      @cubbi2789 11 місяців тому +11

      According to the article I found, it’s normal for German authorities to hide certain things. They even withheld his last name to 😞

    • @kittikat2318
      @kittikat2318 11 місяців тому +17

      @@cubbi2789a lot of countries do this. It’s ridiculous though, bc what if he is acquitted for some reason, or let go early (which they usually are)? Then he’s free to live his life, sometimes they are paid to relocate & get new identities too! Meanwhile, no one knows who he is, what he looks like, where he’s living now-and more ppl’s lives are in danger & they don’t even know! It’s unfair!

    • @joanbrennan2534
      @joanbrennan2534 11 місяців тому

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    • @louisafeliza
      @louisafeliza 11 місяців тому +8

      @@kittikat2318i was thinking the same thing. It’s like the criminals in some countries are being protected??!! Infuriating!

  • @kikibean2024
    @kikibean2024 11 місяців тому +126

    It's never a mannequin.

    • @ea8269
      @ea8269 11 місяців тому +10

      No, never.

    • @tonyahinrichs8828
      @tonyahinrichs8828 11 місяців тому

      I'm sure it is tho. You just don't see reports of mannequins found because it isn't news worthy. A dead body obviously makes news where as a discarded mannequin never does.

    • @cleoldbagtraallsorts3380
      @cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 11 місяців тому +6

      It sometimes is. You are more likely to find a mannequin than a corpse. I myself found a life size "doll" hanging from a noose in a copse of trees.

    • @littleblackcar
      @littleblackcar 11 місяців тому +11

      Literally in my city, just a few months ago, someone reported a “body” that turned out to be a blow-up doll. That is the one and only time in history that it will be a mannequin. I saved the news article.

    • @stephanielloyd4053
      @stephanielloyd4053 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@littleblackcar I think I heard about that, was it a realistic "adult doll" found in the river and it had loads of "stab wounds"? Bit freaky!

  • @simoneneveragain2939
    @simoneneveragain2939 11 місяців тому +36

    My heart bleeds for these two young people and their families. Absolutely senseless.

  • @seandelap8587
    @seandelap8587 11 місяців тому +67

    Jan is crazy beyond belief how many more victims would he have if he wasn't caught when he was

    • @joekulik999
      @joekulik999 11 місяців тому +2

      The REAL Question is how many victims did he have that the Police still don't know about.

  • @thomasmyers9128
    @thomasmyers9128 11 місяців тому +28

    It’s never a mannequin…..

  • @seandelap8587
    @seandelap8587 11 місяців тому +40

    Always the same mistakes from law enforcement yet they never seem to learn from them

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 11 місяців тому +5

      What mistakes did law enforcement make?

    • @chuckh5999
      @chuckh5999 11 місяців тому +1

      wokery and weak liberal virtue signalling always has repercussions.

    • @magnuskallas
      @magnuskallas 11 місяців тому

      It's the funky woke courts and "human rights" lawyers who let nut cases free.

  • @potatoempress5731
    @potatoempress5731 11 місяців тому +20

    The system works harder to protect this monster than to do their actual job, amazing.

  • @GigiRulesTheRoost
    @GigiRulesTheRoost 11 місяців тому +41

    What a horrible and cruel event. The poor parents and all the people of the tow. We let criminals just run free to wreak havoc. This guy should have been locked up way before these horrible events.

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 11 місяців тому +4

      To be fair, prior to the murders, he committed petty thefts, which don't hold long sentences. I'm not sure why the DA did not charge him with the fire, though.

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 11 місяців тому +29

    There are not words built to encompass my feelings about the bloody incompetence of the judiciary in the case. The trouble is, these crimes are fortunately outliers. Most police never see cases like this. There's an unsolved case similar to this in my village, just outside Brighton. The only evidence I've heard of was the poor lads body and a bent steak knife. Nearly sixty years ago now. I know the guy 's brother well. It hit the family hard, Pete still wants to know who killed his brother.

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 11 місяців тому

      Do you know if there was any non-victim DNA found anywhere at the crime scene?

    • @capt.bart.roberts4975
      @capt.bart.roberts4975 11 місяців тому

      No, I'm not privy to that information. One suspect moved to Canada not long after the murder.@@audreymuzingo933

  • @jamesl9371
    @jamesl9371 11 місяців тому +8

    A kid says he saw a dead body and nobody does anything? Unbelievable

  • @Da_Publick
    @Da_Publick 11 місяців тому +5

    This has to be the most vile case I've heard of on your channel.

  • @laurametheny1008
    @laurametheny1008 11 місяців тому +8

    Thank you DC. May those little ones be healthy and happy now. Forever. And may her loved ones find peace too💔🙏🏼🕊️🪽🦌

  • @VioletJoy
    @VioletJoy 11 місяців тому +20

    This is tragic on all levels, including Jan's abusive upbringing (which is almost always how people end up capable of such sick and twisted behavior.
    My heart goes out to sweet Tobias and all who cared for him. Also to Nina and all who truly loved her. It sounds like she didn't have a stable family, which is just further tragedy.
    💔😥💔

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 11 місяців тому +1

      But we don't know what kind of abuse or how bad; there was literally zero detail beyond the word "abused" and then the sociopathic stuff HE did as a kid. If I correctly understand psychologists, truly, naturally, "bad seeds" are rare in the world, but Jan sounds like he may be one of those.

    • @ChrisAndCats
      @ChrisAndCats 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@audreymuzingo933 or a bit of both, maybe? Bad seed, then exacerbated and shaped by events?

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 4 місяці тому

      @@ChrisAndCats Sure, could be. But what events? Do we just guess about that too?

  • @justiceLaw0000
    @justiceLaw0000 11 місяців тому +21

    Children don’t make up stories like that. Kids are brutally honest. And most of the time their “vivid imaginations,” are pure innocence. Not murdered children in the woods!

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому +3

      Children absolutely do make up stories.

  • @scotlandshistory
    @scotlandshistory 11 місяців тому +9

    What a heartbreaking case, and in hindsight, it could've all been avoided.

  • @ingridfong-daley5899
    @ingridfong-daley5899 11 місяців тому +25

    @6:45 Even if you alert the locals, that doesn't automatically prevent another victim--we knew about lots of serial killers early on in their career and they could still find victims despite the public's precautions. So i don't think it's fair to say that Tobias's murder could've ABSOLUTELY been prevented... It would've only helped the odds. And as Tobias sounded like a cautious boy, maybe his family would have kept him indoors while there was a missing kid in the area, but again if the girl was known as a runaway, perhaps the parents wouldn't have really believed it was an abduction/murder anyway.

    • @Hippygal88
      @Hippygal88 11 місяців тому +2

      Exactly

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 11 місяців тому +4

      Yeah I was kind of surprised how certain she sounded about that too. I was getting so angry hearing about the two girls who waited to tell anyone and the parents who didn't believe the girl who did finally tell ....REALLY angry, because I was thinking along these same lines, how if Nina had been found that first day, Tobias' family --might-- PROBABLY wouldn't have let him go out alone. In fact if Jan made that Facebook post right after killing Nina and his criminal record had led to questioning him as fast as it did after Tobias death .... then Tobias would have lived because Jan would have been in custody.
      But to talk like all those "ifs" absolutely would have become "thens" just sounds hysterical. Like she's almost assigning criminal responsibility to people other than Jan for Tobias' death.

    • @ingridfong-daley5899
      @ingridfong-daley5899 11 місяців тому

      That's how i heard it too--her certainty seemed stronger than the facts supporting it. I wonder why she felt so 'certain' about it tho? Makes me wonder if there was additional info that maybe got edited out?@@audreymuzingo933

    • @krisb8727
      @krisb8727 11 місяців тому

      Maybe the mother of Tobias would have been more unlikely to let him go out by himself if it was public that a child had been killed.

  • @benmcreynolds8581
    @benmcreynolds8581 11 місяців тому +14

    Some might say he only had 2 victims.. but this guy is a very twisted individual. Imagine how much of a nightmare it would have been if he was able to continue on with his depraved atrocities?? I wish he could have been stopped before destroying those 2 kids & their families.. The signs were there that he was a danger to peoples safety yet they let him roam freely & look at the damage he did.. This is something monster myths are made of if it happened back in the day..

  • @ritialydia
    @ritialydia 10 місяців тому +5

    I think if I'm being attacked I will scream "fire!".... "help" is now like the car alarm you ignore.

  • @neneshubby
    @neneshubby 11 місяців тому +21

    I believe with all my heart that abusive, neglectful parents should be held accountable when their kids turn into monsters.

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles 11 місяців тому +2

      Until your kid does something.

    • @neneshubby
      @neneshubby 11 місяців тому +4

      @@redtobertshateshandles I said abusive, neglectful parents, not good parents who had a kid turn out bad.

    • @lynnesorensen7083
      @lynnesorensen7083 10 місяців тому

      Unfortunate upbringing, However most people who have horrific childhoods DO NOT go on to become violent or murderous. Justification because of his childhood is just that, justification

  • @btcrazee1
    @btcrazee1 11 місяців тому +9

    He had no regret except that he was caught.

  • @suzimonkey345
    @suzimonkey345 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you!

  • @tickledtoffee
    @tickledtoffee 11 місяців тому +6

    This is heartbreaking! And the opportunities missed to prevent one or both these children's murders makes it even worse. I know kids tell stories and have vivid imaginations, but I still wouldn't just automatically assume a child is lying or mistaken about something this serious, I mean how often did the child tell his parents that he'd seen a body? I'd at least go have a quick look to be sure. So tragic.

  • @esel5162
    @esel5162 11 місяців тому +4

    Saying that the boy would absolutely be alive if they had found the girl earlier is not right. There are many serial killers who continued to kill while they were actively searched for by the police and the town.

  • @Little.Bird.
    @Little.Bird. 11 місяців тому +7

    Justice...idk...nothing feels like it would be justice for something such as this ...

  • @fireeestarter1
    @fireeestarter1 11 місяців тому +3

    Still one of my favorites YT channels. ❤

  • @AthyDuGard
    @AthyDuGard 11 місяців тому +5

    For those wondering, in places such as Germany, The Netherlands & Sweden it is the default is to protect an accused’s - and in some instances, a convicted person’s - identity. There are varied reasons for this. I'm neither advocating nor condemning.
    Does anyone remember when the two German men who murdered an actor in the 1990s sued Wikipedia for naming them in their online articles? Once released from prison they were successful in having the German language version remove their names to protect their identities. But this was reversed later in 2009.

  • @michelleprieur1
    @michelleprieur1 11 місяців тому +13

    Ten minutes and there's already multiple comments vilifying people for thinking that they saw a mannequin. 🙄 It's a normal reaction. No one knows what they're going to think or do in a situation that you've never been in. I can't imagine criticizing anyone for having a normal reaction to a horrible sight.

    • @AwfulDog1
      @AwfulDog1 8 місяців тому +1

      It’s a bit of an online joke… I don’t think people are deliberately being mean.

  • @eddo1983
    @eddo1983 11 місяців тому +8

    It's never a mannequin

  • @GodsThirdEye
    @GodsThirdEye 10 місяців тому +1

    Never talk to strangers especially creepy ones while alone in the woods and if your kid says they saw a dead body dont brush it off as a mannequin, report it. This case is a living nightmare.

  • @grandmufftwerkin9037
    @grandmufftwerkin9037 11 місяців тому +34

    True crime rule number 13:
    It's never a mannequin. 😬

    • @othertalk3313
      @othertalk3313 11 місяців тому +1

      Except the 99.9% of times when it really is just a mannequin and therefore nobody makes a video about it.
      This is a great illustration of survivorship bias, which is something you most likely suffer from in various other ways. You should probably stop. 😏

    • @grandmufftwerkin9037
      @grandmufftwerkin9037 11 місяців тому +4

      @@othertalk3313
      How many mannequins do you suppose people find laying around on average?

    • @othertalk3313
      @othertalk3313 11 місяців тому

      @@grandmufftwerkin9037 More than zero. More often than people finding a dead body. More than "never".

    • @grandmufftwerkin9037
      @grandmufftwerkin9037 11 місяців тому +3

      @@othertalk3313
      I need hard numbers. How many mannequins are found dumped on a yearly average?

    • @grandmufftwerkin9037
      @grandmufftwerkin9037 11 місяців тому +1

      @@othertalk3313
      Btw, you know I wasn't being literal, right?

  • @DaleyDale
    @DaleyDale 11 місяців тому +4

    is this a reupload? i vaguely remember watching this before

  • @theflowerwhosavedtheuniver5658
    @theflowerwhosavedtheuniver5658 11 місяців тому +4

    I don’t understand how the German authorities can release pictures of the accused, but won't release their full name...strange.
    I don’t believe this guy would've stopped until he was caught and unfortunately because of the lack of investigation around poor Nina's death by both the police and the parents of the boy who reported it to them, perhaps Tobias would still be alive today.
    And poor Beatrice, Tobias' mum, she'll never get those images out of her mind everytime she thinks about finding him, what a cruel twist of fate that turned out to be.
    RIP Nina & Tobias, 2 beautiful children taken so brutally 🩷🩵💔💔

  • @camillebrowns552
    @camillebrowns552 11 місяців тому +6

    Have you done this case before? I feel like dejavu.

    • @Lethalport1515
      @Lethalport1515 11 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, I was thinking the same.

  • @ShwintyKat
    @ShwintyKat 11 місяців тому +9

    I sincerely hate parents that ignore their children when they speak, they don't deserve to have them.

  • @saoirsevicteoiria2759
    @saoirsevicteoiria2759 11 місяців тому

    One of the reasons I like your channel is that you are typically a very respectful narrator of these kinds of cases, and broadly I think you did a pretty job here too. However, around the 6m30 mark, your language implies that some of the blame for Tobias's death is due to the fact that the child who discovered Nina's body wasn't believed -- however, not only would any parent prefer to think that their child hadn't found a body, these parents also hadn't heard of a missing child. The fact that they came forward later to report that their child had found the body suggests they were either upset that they hadn't believed their child, and/or furious that the police hadn't informed the public of the Nina's disappearance, both of which are understandable and further suggest that they did care. I'm not suggesting you pull the video, but perhaps pin a correction (not exactly the right word) to the top of the comments so as to avoid suggesting fault on the part of anyone bar the criminal and police.
    Nina having home troubles did not, after all, make her safer on the streets than any other child her age; if anything, it may have made her more vulnerable.

  • @tracytracy622
    @tracytracy622 11 місяців тому +3

    DC, youre a terrific storyteller, and I love your work. Except this one. It's the case and the perpetrator. It's gruesome and I had to stop watching the video 😞 Those poor children..... May they rest in peace. Condolences to their families.

    • @AthyDuGard
      @AthyDuGard 11 місяців тому

      Yes there was a little *too* much detail regarding the crimes for me. It's just so heartbreaking. 😞
      I'm thankful the perpetrator was caught & convicted, though.

  • @lovescoffee9780
    @lovescoffee9780 11 місяців тому +1

    My heartfelt condlences to the families.

  • @bethphillips1276
    @bethphillips1276 11 місяців тому +1

    “Thought it was a scarecrow” is crazy.

  • @blueratou
    @blueratou 9 місяців тому +2

    Failed by the authorities and adults missing the opportunity to investigate what could have saved the boy's life . His own mother had to find him, lifeless.

  • @liviavallendenez
    @liviavallendenez 11 місяців тому +5

    For those who celebrate Thanksgiving...please be safe and safe stay home.

  • @carlcushmanhybels8159
    @carlcushmanhybels8159 11 місяців тому +1

    Appreciate your clear and sensitive work here. I do wonder, a detail, why do German authorities blur the faces of the murderer? (I figure it was German authorities who did so.) 'Ah the tender privacy and feelings of wanton brutal rapists and murderers'

  • @vicsaunders9710
    @vicsaunders9710 11 місяців тому

    As always well told.👏

  • @mdj-ie7rj
    @mdj-ie7rj 11 місяців тому +3

    I lost a son 14 years ago. And although his cause of death was not as horrific as these children’s; the pain of losing him was crushing. Tobias was such a kind and gentle boy. I can only imagine his mother’s heartbreak. 🤍🪽

  • @seandelap8587
    @seandelap8587 11 місяців тому +20

    How many times has it been assumed to be a mannequin yet its never a mannequin so why would you assume that first

    • @michelleprieur1
      @michelleprieur1 11 місяців тому +2

      I don't understand why people criticize that when it's a natural reaction. The human brain is wired to protect itself from horrible and frightening sights. You don't know how you're going to react until you're in the situation. SMH.

    • @laurasayers9397
      @laurasayers9397 11 місяців тому +4

      It's never a mannequin 😢

    • @MdnightWnd
      @MdnightWnd 11 місяців тому +4

      I think it's in part because most people don't want to get involved, so they explain it off as something else to excuse themselves.

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MdnightWndPlus, it's incredibly rare, so they're thinking it must be something else. I know myself, though. There is no way I wouldn't check into it. At the very least, they could have called police to check it out.

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 11 місяців тому +2

      Because finding a dead body is probably rarer than finding a mannequin.

  • @TheSaneHatter
    @TheSaneHatter 11 місяців тому +2

    My thoughts and comments are numerous:
    - Rarely have I been able to say, "f--k this guy" about a criminla with so much conviction.
    - Clearly, the notion of prosecutors and law enforcement being "soft" or indifferent isn't unique to the United States.
    - The early discovery of the girl's body, and the police's refusal to believe it, is a sad and very revealing twist on the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf": they really owed those kids an apology for not believing them. When kids make up stories, we really need to ask why, instead of dismissing them.

  • @sarielle85
    @sarielle85 9 місяців тому +1

    As there are people, who always assume the worst, there are people who refuse to believe or consider things they don't want to be true. There is often some magical thinking involved, as they assume, either consciously or subconsciously, by believing or even considering a bad thing (like there being a real murdered child) they make it happen in the first place - the advanced form of "positive thinking" so to say.

  • @serenhafwilliams-davies5915
    @serenhafwilliams-davies5915 11 місяців тому +3

    😢💔

  • @oldcollegecoed
    @oldcollegecoed 11 місяців тому +2

    I’m confused…Why a trial if he admitted guilt? Is this normal in Germany? Here in the US, there’d be a guilty plea hearing & sentencing hearing, but no trial.

    • @gorillaguerillaDK
      @gorillaguerillaDK 11 місяців тому +4

      In most European Courts, we still have a trial yes.
      It might be slightly shorter, if the defence decides to not have anyone testify aside from their client, and the prosecution might decide to call less witnesses - also, if it’s something that normally would be a jury trial, they might drop the jury…
      Most European countries can also keep an individual in custody for a longer duration prior to the trial, if the court orders so - and in several countries, plea deals doesn’t exist!

    • @gabriellahedarv1782
      @gabriellahedarv1782 11 місяців тому

      In Sweden we don’t have different trials for conviction and sentencing. Everything happens in one trial.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому

      ​@@gabriellahedarv1782She didn't say anything about multiple trials.

  • @skreemqueen7520
    @skreemqueen7520 10 місяців тому

    So senseless. My sympathy to both families. I’m thankful the murderer was caught as I don’t believe he would have ever stopped on his own.

  • @jeffcampbell1555
    @jeffcampbell1555 11 місяців тому +5

    Jan O covered himself in blood at the murder scene. Yet he wasn't seen and stopped going home?

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 11 місяців тому +1

      Its a smallish place, there was probably nobody out on the streets.

  • @TheReal78
    @TheReal78 11 місяців тому

    Not only that but I don't want to put my kids in danger over someone else's problems!

  • @emmettorafferty1006
    @emmettorafferty1006 11 місяців тому +1

    Heartbreaking a horrible evil person

  • @leighrinker
    @leighrinker 11 місяців тому

    I get the sentiment but justice is never served for a murderer. My grandfather was murdered. For the family the public system can't do justice. The families can never heal. As long as that pain is there and their lived one is gone .... the wound still bleeds. Because it's senseless.

  • @joekulik999
    @joekulik999 11 місяців тому +1

    It's pretty obvious to me that simply locking someone in a prison cell for years accomplishes Nothing. The proof of that is how many repeat offenders there are. Furthermore, it's also obvious to me how many criminals had a bad childhood of some type. Although most people with bad childhoods never commit a crime, that doesn't help explain why so many criminals did have a bad childhood.
    Society must change from just punishing those who have already commited a crime to also consider how to prevent crime in the 1st place. It seems to me that really focusing on children with severe behavioral problems would be a place to start.
    If all of this sounds utopian, then consider that there was no crime as we know it today before 1800, before the Industrial Revolution. The 1st organized police dept in America was established in NYC in 1842, and the 1st modern prison was Eastern Penitentiary in Philadelphia was was completed in 1832. Yet no one ever asks why there was very little crime before the Indusrial Revolution. That's probably because fully answering that question would lead to an indictment of the Raw Capitalism that fueled the Industrial Revolution, and which still fuels the World Economy even today.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому

      No one asks that because it's utter nonsense.

    • @KaylaDiamond-q3t
      @KaylaDiamond-q3t 11 місяців тому

      I enjoyed your comment gave me food for thought.

  • @lyedavide
    @lyedavide 11 місяців тому +9

    This is another case which makes me that capital punishment should be considered appropriate. Imagine having to pay taxes that will contribute to feeding, housing and provision of medical care for the monster who killed your child. RIP Tobias and Nina.

    • @larapalma3744
      @larapalma3744 11 місяців тому +1

      Exactly

    • @realtalk6195
      @realtalk6195 11 місяців тому +2

      How about you stop trying to impose your own views on other countries?
      While the death sentence can get rid of dangerous murderers, it can also lead to the deaths of countless men who are innocent or mostly-innocent of what they are accused of. That is unacceptable.

  • @theaslash857
    @theaslash857 Місяць тому

    Why do they have the murderer's face pixilated and his last name not revealed? He freely (and joyously it seems) admitted his guilt--why does he get these rights?

  • @shifajamaima7173
    @shifajamaima7173 11 місяців тому

    Oh My God. This is horrifying. What a horrific death those kids suffered. How can a child tell u that he has seen a body and you not curious enough to go check it out. And the other heard cry for help and didn't bother go check it out, even if kids play there, they should have checked it out. But instead they decided to ignore it. If only they checked it out maybe the kids would still be alive. Can't imagine the pain those kids went through. Rip Tobias and Nina

  • @Leelz247
    @Leelz247 5 місяців тому

    Poor Nina, no one knew she was gone and the police didn't care to dig deeper into her disappearance.

  • @dannichris87
    @dannichris87 9 місяців тому +1

    Jesus this is DEPRAVED

  • @TheReal78
    @TheReal78 11 місяців тому +1

    I am a big fan of mind your own business except when it comes to protecting a child!

  • @bkitteh6295
    @bkitteh6295 Місяць тому

    Why is the murderer's identity obscured?

  • @suzimonkey345
    @suzimonkey345 11 місяців тому +2

  • @cherylbglover
    @cherylbglover 11 місяців тому

    No way to know if the boy wouldn't have come to harm. Just mean the place he was found may have been different.

  • @karenk3458
    @karenk3458 11 місяців тому +2

    RIP! 😢😢😢😢😮

  • @ingridfong-daley5899
    @ingridfong-daley5899 11 місяців тому

    What is a "proud job-seeker"? @7:37 It sounds like a British euphemism for something, like "being on the dole" but i don't see it exactly.

  • @GoBlueGirl78
    @GoBlueGirl78 11 місяців тому +2

    Algo bump 😊

  • @kanivea
    @kanivea 11 місяців тому +2

    Its never a mannequin

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому

      Cases where it _is_ a mannequin don't get UA-cam videos made about them.

  • @DKWill09
    @DKWill09 11 місяців тому +4

    Since when in the system we went from censoring out the face/pics of the victim to now covering the criminal and showing the faces or other pics of the victim

  • @janflannery8637
    @janflannery8637 11 місяців тому +6

    I do not care for his back ground. He murdered.

  • @swedishmom
    @swedishmom 11 місяців тому

    Terrible crime!! Poor poor kids 😢 Rip 🥀🕯️🥀

  • @joannathemadd
    @joannathemadd 4 місяці тому

    Jan’s father may have had a premonition

  • @thomasmyers9128
    @thomasmyers9128 7 місяців тому

    Funny they blurred out the criminals…

  • @redtobertshateshandles
    @redtobertshateshandles 11 місяців тому

    We have the insane, and the stupid. I'm not halfway through the video yet.
    We're doomed.

  • @patriciaclark9957
    @patriciaclark9957 10 місяців тому +3

    Why do they always say the victim was found in a pool of his own blood? Has anyone ever been found in a pool of someone else's blood?

  • @oceanwhite1061
    @oceanwhite1061 11 місяців тому

    Love this channel but I’m sorry you Can’t say say for sure that Tobias wouldn’t have been murdered still, he may have The chosen that spot again

  • @sadielevens1144
    @sadielevens1144 11 місяців тому +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @suzimonkey345
    @suzimonkey345 11 місяців тому +2

    🌹❤️🌹❤️🌹

  • @tracyrasmussen8117
    @tracyrasmussen8117 10 місяців тому +2

    I'm shocked that the parents thought their kid was making up the story of finding a dead body! They should've still went and looked. Then if it's a lie, deal with that.

  • @henriettadenzig3825
    @henriettadenzig3825 11 місяців тому +2

    Prayers for the family for answers and justice

  • @spongefun
    @spongefun 11 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful kids which made them more of a target for the sicko.

  • @Col92015
    @Col92015 11 місяців тому

    He sounds like another Ted Bundy.

  • @matthewfergusons4318
    @matthewfergusons4318 10 місяців тому

    It's a shame it sounds like he's a sweet kid rest rip

  • @0mola59
    @0mola59 11 місяців тому +1

    Its always that same sentence
    HE HAD A TROUBLED PAST
    Every criminal always use that to the extent that i no longer believe it

  • @carolyndalton7775
    @carolyndalton7775 11 місяців тому +1

    😀

  • @eustab.anas-mann9510
    @eustab.anas-mann9510 5 місяців тому

    Thank God I'm not German.

  • @larapalma3744
    @larapalma3744 11 місяців тому

    How extraordinary.
    I HATE HIM and cheerfully and lovingly reciprocated his actions.
    But. Drawn out over YEARS

  • @audreymuzingo933
    @audreymuzingo933 11 місяців тому +2

    I just don't understand people at all I guess. Is it not weird for two 9-year-olds to be too scared to tell anyone they found a dead body? Scared of what exactly? I get being scared by seeing the body itself, but I would still be telling every grown-up and every kid I came into contact with, starting IM-MED-I-ATE-LY, until someone believed me and went to check. And this was TWO kids mind you, so either or both could have been heroes.
    And then there are the parents of the girl who finally did tell ...... how the hell do you just straight up ASSUME that your 9-year-old can't possibly tell the difference between a mannequin and a real person? Assume she's _probably_ wrong but check anyway? -YEAH. Hope she's wrong but check anyway. -YEAH. The "she has a vivid imagination" thing is no excuse.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому +1

      It's all very obvious to us, but then we've just watched a UA-cam video explaining everything.

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 11 місяців тому +2

      @@eadweard. Fair point. And the UA-cam creator who explained it also said that Tobias' death would not have happened if the girls had reported Nina's body and were taken seriously. That _might_ be true, but it's quite a stretch to say it so assertively. In fact for all we know, there are things she didn't say because they don't support her assertion. Like maybe the girls only saw the body from far enough away that they weren't sure it was a real person, or maybe they had reasons to be afraid to tell, like they weren't supposed to be in that location.

  • @AnnacolleenEtters
    @AnnacolleenEtters 11 місяців тому +2

    So many deviant killers say they were abused, as children, but I don't believe sex killers, ever. Most from today would think I was abused, and my peers, but our parents got punishments far worse, so why has crime steadily been downgraded, to make society feel safe, yet violent crime has increased since I was a child in the 60s?

  • @jeangemmel7895
    @jeangemmel7895 11 місяців тому +1

    RIP Tobias...........you are safe in the arms of Jesus now.
    RIP Nina..............you too are safe in the arms of Jesus.
    In November at 8pm it would have been pitch black by that time, why would a young boy of 13years be allowed out by himself so late?
    If your child, no matter how much of a vivid imagination you thought they had, said they had found a body in the woods would you not go to check it out ...................just in case? I know I would!
    The monster knew Tobias was a boy as soon as he made the little boy undress.......before he murdered him......why say he knew when he laid on top of the little boy's corpse that he was a male?? This monster knew Tobias was a little boy but he still wanted to kill him.
    It does not bear to think about the terror this little girl and little boy went through at the hands of this monster, and especially if Tobias already seen the dead body of the little girl.......even more terror welling up inside of him knowing this was how he was going to end up.
    This monster was 'a murderer waiting to happen'.
    The world is a beautiful place, the people not so much!

  • @caitlinthompson7540
    @caitlinthompson7540 11 місяців тому

    I can't hang with the stock footage. I just realized it loses my interest fast.

  • @gorillaguerillaDK
    @gorillaguerillaDK 11 місяців тому

    Well, I can’t help thinking that Jan O's dad was on to something….!

  • @cynthiariley1782
    @cynthiariley1782 11 місяців тому +1

    Such a sad case this is! I'm really glad I'm a gay woman. I don't have to worry about any of these guys who turn out to be psychotic and cause harm to women and children. Such bad things some guys do! My gosh!😨

    • @cleoldbagtraallsorts3380
      @cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 11 місяців тому +3

      It doesn't make you immune, look at poor Kitty Genovese and that young singer from Oregon, both were lesbians.

    • @cynthiariley1782
      @cynthiariley1782 11 місяців тому

      @@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 well I'm a gay women who lives in a very safe college area who is a hermit. I'm almost 59 years old.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 11 місяців тому

      What difference would being gay have made?

    • @cynthiariley1782
      @cynthiariley1782 11 місяців тому

      @@eadweard. Because being a gay women means you don't date any guys and don't marry guys. I have a caring and loving girlfriend.🥰

    • @smv9706
      @smv9706 11 місяців тому +3

      There’s a lot of abuse in same sex relationship FYI. It does not make you immune. It’s a pretty ignorant thing to say.

  • @TheReal78
    @TheReal78 11 місяців тому +1

    If my kid found a body I would say it's none of our business unless it's a child's. body. Adults do things all the time to get themselves took out which is none of my business but kids never deserve to be hurt!!

    • @timeforcoffee485
      @timeforcoffee485 11 місяців тому

      So everyone could ignore the murdered body of your father/mother/sister/brother/favourite aunt because, hey, it's none of their business? Thankfully, many of us do have empathy towards others and would do something about it.

    • @ThruHerSkull
      @ThruHerSkull 11 місяців тому

      This comment is disturbing on so many levels, I hope one day you can change this horrid way of thinking and know that living life is not a crime nor a justification for murder. So I guess all the elderly people that get viewed as paychecks that get murdered due to serving their purpose just don’t matter? Parents like you that get snatched off the street or robbed after work just trying to provide for their children, they can be forgotten as well? What about victims of mass murders? Do they deserve to die because they were out at the wrong place and wrong time? I pray you will never have to experience the pain of having a cherished and loved adult so cruelly and prematurely taken from your life. I hope you are not passing your revolting lack of empathy onto your children or even worse, letting it effect their lives.

  • @polliwoq7167
    @polliwoq7167 11 місяців тому

    okay but come on when do you ever go out and find a "discarded mannequin"

  • @Col92015
    @Col92015 11 місяців тому

    777