I think untold means you will never know the what the families pain and suffering is also we will never know how many people are still out there he murdered there could be dozen’s more and now old Ivan is dead we will never know 🇦🇺
this person altered dozens& dozens of lives. that seems pretty significant. ask the family if he had any significance to the course of their lives. youre just typing random buzz words. What does his size matter? jeez
Ivan wasn’t the sole monster of Belanglo. His close family clearly knew what he was up to and benefited from items he stole from those he murdered. The whole family is sus AF in this case.
One of the bodies took 3 cops to move the log it was hidden under. There was clearly 2 different MO's during most of the murders. There was smoke butts all over the crime scenes yet he didn't smoke. He wasn't alone
@charliekezza Problem is, he was alone when he attacked Paul Onions, he was alone when he abducted the two women in 1971, he was alone when he tried to abduct the other two women in 1977, he was alone when he tried to abduct that other British backpacker in 1982. It could be that, like his murder stage when he behaved out of the realm of his normal every day life, he smoked and drank during those phases too. Or he just let him victim smoke/drink. He was also a very strong and powerful man for his size. Of course, he could have been with someone else on some occasions, but it was only Ivan who handed out all that camping equipment and clothing. None of his brothers did.
@@lyndoncmp5751and he was alone when he tried to get me in his van in 86/87 But…..he said he had to go pick up his brother. Ivan had connections to other rotten people too.
I've lived in and around the mentioned Liverpool area for most of my life. The 'backpacker murders', as they were known, were very big news around here at the time. I got 'chills' when you mentioned Byron Bay, as I lived up there surfing & working in the 80's & 90's as well as nearby Brunswick Heads, where Malat also lived his sick twisted existence. I'm so glad, and I suppose lucky, that our paths never crossed. May he rot in hell. 💀
I've never hitchhiked and never would! I did help a man holding a gas can and walking towards a gas station a mile away; saw his car. It looked legit. I took him to the station and on the way back he alarmed me by saying " you should never pick up people you don't know". ( In an unfriendly creepy tone) Instead of thanking me. Then asked me for 5.00. He said he would give me back 10.00 instead of the 5.00 for helping. I told him no I didn't have anything, as once you give them money they want more . He got out. It surprised me that time and bothered me enough that I won't do it again. Be careful everyone ❤
@@karenhoward6712actually it’s much safer in this “day and age”. Criminals think twice because of how hard it is to get away with it. Why do you think the most serial killers ever were back then??
@@Tampafan33have a look at how many long term missing people there are in Australia. Many really young and many Indigenous Australians. You wouldn’t know from the media.
How ironic, I just went down this rabbit hole last night! It started when I read a Reddit post where this girl and her mother were camping in Australia, when this guy shows up at night and tells them he had to protect them. Then he sits down and sharpens a stick with a big knife, even though the mother asked him to go away. The next day they ask some nearby residents about him and they’re like, “oh, that’s just Ivan, he means no harm”. Years later they see him on the news and it’s this guy 😳
It is horrifying to realise that I, as a teenager in the 70's and living in Sydney's south west, used to hitch-hike with my friends all the time... to the Blue Mountains, the south coast, and Central Coast.... I don't remember hearing about any crimes,,, nor was there any warnings about hitch-hiking.... My husband at the time was an avid bush walker and used to walk in the National parks and nature reserves that were named here.... Scary stuff..😮😮
Thinking about campaigning to punish judges for letting out labeled sex offenders, domestic violence and all crimes violence who end up re-offending. what if judges got punished for their poor judgment?
He said his family wasn’t involved, but his brother Richard knew there were dead bodies in the forest. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was part of the killing spree. It was a terrible time for young people here in Australia. The nephew was so proud of his uncle he actually changed his name to Milat. Just shocking
@@ileanaacacostaacosta1813 didn’t one brother change his name because he didn’t want the stigma? Don’t blame him, but at least he must be decent . But yep, wouldn’t trust a Milat.
I grew up in the Parramatta area of Sydney. I was finishing high school when they started finding the bodies in Belanglo. I was always told never to hitch-hike due to the danger of being abducted and murdered. People still hitch-hiked all around the area where these poor souls disappeared, even while it was all over the news. RIP to all his victims.
I grew up in that time and was never comfortable getting into the car of someone I didn’t know so never did. That said, in the middle of a blizzard in about 1975, i was sent home from work early and picked up two young high school boys walking home in it. They rode with me about 2 miles until I came nearer to their homes. I couldn’t have left them struggling out there.
Hitch hiking eventually fell out of favour, thanks to maniacs like Milat. There are few things so high risk as stepping into a total stranger's vehicle. And few better ways to entrap victims, for a serial killer/rapist - even male victims, as this case demonstrates.
Makes me feel old. Lol Idid it, but now can't believe any of us did. We also walked between friends' houses in the hours between dawn and dusk, even hiked to the river or lake for late night campfires. By the mid 80s, we all knew things were changing fast and not for anything good. We felt it became much riskier.
Thank you for doing this video. Gordana Kotevski wasn't a backpacker. She was abducted walking to her aunts house from a shopping centre. 10 minute walk if that.
Chilling story. I am Australian and at the time I was studying and doing warehouse work which also employed backpackers so there was a lot of fear amongst them because some had hitchhiked. A few years later, I went backpacking around Europe where I met an Australian couple from Adelaide. We were talking about the dangers of hitchhiking and the guy reckoned he was picked up by Milat in the late 70s. He said he and a friend were hitchhiking to Queensland and a truck driver picked them up north of Sydney. The truck driver was trying to get them to smoke a joint and was quite aggressive about it. He said the guy was creepy and as soon as they could they got out. He always remembered the guy’s face and when Milat was arrested he recognized him as the truck driver. I never realized Milat was active north of Sydney because the guy who had told me that story, which was in 1996, and I both thought Milat was only active south of Sydney - interesting to hear that he was active in northern NSW.
Excellent job! it's still amazing to me that even after several videos on this case there are always details new to me. Also, thumbs up for the beautiful effort of getting pronunciation of our insanely non-English friendly town names mostly correct! Bulli (actually Bull-Eye), Taree (Tarr-ee) and Cronulla (Chron-ull-uh) were jarring but forgivable, especially in light of getting the majority of the numerous others right! We like to think of ourselves as 'normal', but even the Welsh seem logical compared to Aussie names!
I was coming to comment these but you wrote them up beautifully. Our place names really are wild sometimes, even to where I don't know how to say them, haha 😅 My dad and grandfather both like to make fun of them by saying them how they're written, like Goonoo Goonoo (gun-a-gun-oo) and Mudgee (muh-jee) 😂 and there are so many more!
Also wanted to add these to the list of place names DC was so close on saying correctly, Muswellbrook (muh-suhl-bruk) and Bungendore (buhng·uhn·daw). Props for Queanbeyan (kween·bee·uhn), though, even I say it wrong sometimes and know how it's pronounced 😅
I live in Australia and have read books about this horrible case. I truly believe that there are more bodies still in the forest. I remember when they raided his house, the cop in charge said he was hoping to find some evidence instead they found an Aladdin’s Cave of evidence, spread between multiple family houses. A horror crime rampage that could of been avoided.
Once in the mid 2010's my aunt was travelling solo to visit friends who had moved over 8 hours away down south from our hometown up north. She had never been to the area or surrounds they had moved to but had been to Sydney and nearer areas many times. She was a few hours away from her destination and a few hours outside of Sydney, going through a state forest, not knowing its name as she was simply following the gps. When she got this strong creeping feeling and a chill run down her back. Shortly after, she saw the entrance signs for the Belangalo state forest and realised where she was. She got the creeps again and was glad when she got out of the area as she said that it definitely has a certain energy to it. I'd like to visit the forest myself, not to be a lookiloo for the murder sites, but to just feel the energy of the place for myself and pay my respects to the souls lost. There's many places I've seen in media or read about that I'd like to visit for the same reason. Some places I just feel drawn to, sadly, many of these places have also had bad things happen in/ to them. Even though Milat is gone, I hope that at least some, if not all, of the unsolved cases possibly linked to him can be solved one day.
This story is beyond tragic. So many young people were robbed of their futures & their families sentenced to lifelong grief & suffering. I'm normally not a proponent of the death penalty, but it's warranted here.
I think that I had a run in with the Belanglo killer once, while hiking. He grabbed me from behind, but was surprised to find that I was well versed in hand to hand. These skills were honed during my 3 tours in Vietnam.
My gosh!!! He completely terrorized every area he went to. This is yet another example of how upbringing oftentimes has lasting effects, some in a very negative way. Sometimes, children can end up beyond chance to change. He had absolutely nothing good to offer the world. My heart goes out to all of the innocent victims. I can't even imagine how scary their last moments were. 💔😥💔
He was charged with 7 murders and one attempted murder. But I firmly believe that there are many more in the huge forest! Rip Caroline, Joanne, Anya, Gabor, Debbie, James & Simone 😢
I wasnt listening to this close enough, but the first doc i watched about this guy made me sick. Two people he got, he stabbed a girl in the spine so she was still aware what was going on but couldnt move and then murdered the person she was with. She was apparently alive like that for a long time. They found a person who he had shot in the head and he kept turning their body and shooting the head. Like how the fuck do you even get as sick as this? Some of the sickest stuff ive heard with this guy.
@tiffJM Peter Letcher was found in another forest a few years before, about 200km to the north. It's likely Ivan Killed him. Could be other bodies all over the place. He was very mobile and worked in lots of different areas. I don't think he killed them a very long way from where he picked them up. He had to drive in the general direction they wanted to go at first. I don't think Belanglo Forest was the only place he killed them. He possibly stayed away from picking up hitchhikers and killing them near where he likely killed Letcher after his body was found and changed to Belanglo.
My ex reckons he was picked up by him in 79,He fell asleep on Milats shoulder during the drive.Milat pulled over at the turn off to Belangalo and said to him "youre no fun,you wouldnt know if you were dead" and pushed him out of the car.!!!talk about lucky.😮
New sub! Also I had this playing on my phone while I worked (from home) and my mum was listening too. When you got to Chad & Melony and said they're from Inala, QLD we both looked straight at eachother. I'm from Inala and have never, not once heard of these two teens. I have no idea how that information escaped us both as well as our family. Unbelievable. According to sources online there's a few theories as there were other active rapists and serial killers around that time nationwide and in Queenland. We never heard anything on the news or local paper! I hope one day we can know what happened to them as well as every other victim you mentioned
I had heard of this before, but told in a very different way, one that started by highlighting the offender's background. I didnt put it together at first. When our Narrator finally spoke the offender's name, I said out loud "oh sh!t. It's THAT guy!" Truly a monster.
Firstly well done with pronouncing all those Australian words! A friend of mine used to hitch on a regular basis between Bangalow and Melbourne. He was at a service station on the southern tablelands between Sydney and Goulbourne looking for a lift. This man offered to give him a lift. He didn't know what it was about the man but after years of hitchhiking, he found there was something about this fella that just made all the hairs on his neck stand up so he declined. It wasn't until Milat's photo was broadcast on the television some years later that he realised that Milat was the man!
His nephew Matthew Milat was a psychopath also, and murdered one of his best friends and is in jail now too. Something very dark happened with that evil drunk granpa Milat to have that many criminals as children and grandchildren..yechhh
Very true but I’d also like to point out that the eastern Australian areas where these happened is no where near outback, remote and slightly isolated, but not outback. Well at least not by my terms anyway.
This makes the “Wolf Creek” horror film franchise all the more horrific. I had no idea the films were based on actual crimes- and it seems the brutality shown to victims in the movies wasn’t just exaggerated by Hollywood. These poor people experienced a demise every bit as terrible (if not worse) than what the movie screens were showing💔
Even without evidence, most people (me included) are fully convinced that he committed if not all, then most of the murders he was implicated in. It’s so infuriating that only one of his brothers has denounced him fully. Everyone else just defends him. Pretty sure that several of his siblings were involved in one or more cases. And disappearing in the Australian wilderness means you’ll likely never be found. Outside of the cities, Australia is just one, huge, remote and hostile place.
I find it unthinkable but not unexpected, given the extremely lax and lenient sentences handed out by Australian courts that Milat was never locked up for good after his early crimes against women. The unfortunate feeling I get is that we, in our mistaken belief in our "enlightened" approach to punishment and rehabilitation, should admit that despite the "cruel and unusual punishments" meted out during the "dark middle ages", such as breaking at the wheel and burning at the stake, the people at that time in history got one thing right: the punishment should not only fit the crime, it must cause sufficient pain and suffering over a prolonged period of time to the condemned in full view of the public in order to be an effective deterrent. It is truly a shame that in this day and age, I am persuaded that there is a place in criminal punishment for forced labour death camps and gulags. That Milat's grand nephew idolized him and set out to "make his own mark" in criminal history is, for me, sufficient evidence that for the worst of the worst, the very harshest and most cruel of punishments should be allotted. Such inhuman beasts should receive as much mercy as they showed their victims.
Yes and no, on the punishment. Over and over,research has shown that the number one deterrent factor is likelihood, if not certainty, of being caught and held accountable. That's a big reason I support universal DNA collection and retention, although not being held by law enforcement. But there are people for whom deterrence makes no difference. They are wired differently and need to be locked away. Period. These "minimum tariffs" in Australia and the UK make "accountability" a joke.
I watched the movie & it appeared to be loosely based on Ivan Milat, but it wasn't a documentary style of movie. Sort of like the movie Silence of the Lambs, which was loosely based on Ted Bundy & Ed Geins.
Then there was Bradley John Murdoch who in 2001 brazenly stopped an English couple Peter Falconio & Joanne Lees (tourists travelling around Australia) on the Stuart Hwy under the guise of alerting them to a problem with their kombi van. What happened to them both (especially Joanne) was purely terrifying 😒
If you ever get the chance to watch the interviews with Milats other brother i highly recommend. He says the family apart from him still stood by Ivan after everything, he is deeply traumatised by what his brother did.
Hello Dark Curiosities: you are a talented wordsmith. The eloquent way you craft your narrative is vividly masterful. The music is also perfectly suited. Thank you: from Charlotte, NC
Belanglo state forest is used heavily by NSW scouts for hiking and camping events every year, and every time we go . theres always the scary stories of what happened in the forest. kids are warned not to touch bones , even those obviously animal, these storeies well recited to those who grew up in the area, we are taught to never hitchhike, and to never hike in a forest alone. the stories of these murders are well known and hit close to home
Now that I'm old, I wonder how young people could hitchhike -- something I never did. But my friends did, and when our parents told us about dangerous disappearances, I laughed it off as them not being cool. So glad that deep inside, I believed them, and I wish more people would have done.
I wish our world was one in which people could explore the many forests with harm ..this disturbs me greatly…. but thank you for sharing Dark Curiosities.❤
I really enjoy your videos - thank you so much for them! The script for this one seems a little overwritten in places - instead of the direct language you usually use, this seems uncharacteristically flowery and embellished in places.
In terms of the number of victims, this is the worst serial-killer story I've heard since Andrei Chikatilo. This story virtually BEGS to be either dramatized or committed to writing, preferably by Australia's own media industry.
Jfc. It took me a moment to figure out which case this was. Correct me if I'm wrong -- but didn't this psycho paralyze some of his victims so that they couldn't fight back? This guy freaks me out, and no way he did it all alone (in my opinion).
Other than Marat, there's another element connecting all these murders: young woman thinking it's safe to hitchhike. Say this is victim blaming all you like, but as these awful cases prove, it is NOT safe for young woman to accept lifts from anyone they don't know. I wouldn't recommend it to young men either, as Onion's case proves, but at least he escaped with his life. Many of these young women were with partners, but that's still not safe. Don't hitchhike. EVER.
Ivan Milatwasxa vicious monster. 2 movies loosely based on his crimes were made for the Big screens called “ Wolf Lake” one in 2006 and a sequel “ Wolf Lake 2” I believe in 2013. The same actor played Milat’s character in both films . . There was a very similar case in the United States where backpackers and hikers were murdered in the US. And the bodies were dumped in the Wood d areas. Not sure if it was California or the Appalachian trail in Eastern US through the Carolina’s and Virginia .
I don't recall the scripts being quite so flowery and verbose before? The lady has created an excellent true crime channel, but she'd do well to reign in the tortured metaphors and keep it simple. Too much description, storyteller-style, is a barrier, not a bridge to communication!
@eadweard. Yes, but as I said, there are places where they aren't commonly called that. Sure, it may be mentioned here and there, but usually by a different name. Like in certain places, Jeep like vehicles are all called Jeeps even if they're not. It's regional. Just like a lot of other names for things. I call a pressed toasted sandwich a breville because that's what I grew up with, but others call it a jaffle. Same with swimming garments or thong shoes. The list goes on.
So sad. You tend to tell the stories well but may I ask why you keep calling the victims by their surnames? I feel it's rather impersonal. Surname only for perpetrators I find more fitting
Except for changing a few words now and then, this was almost like reading the whole Wikipedia article on the case instead of giving it a personal note tbh. The case is so frustrating and sad and it would be been very interesting to get a bit more insight in the channel owner's thoughts on how everything went down.
A small, insignificant little man, yet he caused so much untold pain and suffering .
and what do you mean UNTOLD? If it's untold, how did u learn of it? Get a dictionary!
I think untold means you will never know the what the families pain and suffering is also we will never know how many people are still out there he murdered there could be dozen’s more and now old Ivan is dead we will never know 🇦🇺
Size doesn't really come into the equation.
Isn't that usually the case
this person altered dozens& dozens of lives. that seems pretty significant. ask the family if he had any significance to the course of their lives. youre just typing random buzz words. What does his size matter? jeez
Ivan wasn’t the sole monster of Belanglo. His close family clearly knew what he was up to and benefited from items he stole from those he murdered. The whole family is sus AF in this case.
One of the bodies took 3 cops to move the log it was hidden under.
There was clearly 2 different MO's during most of the murders. There was smoke butts all over the crime scenes yet he didn't smoke.
He wasn't alone
That curly red headed relative kid of his was up to the same crap they say. He might have been with him learning. Smh.💔
@charliekezza
Problem is, he was alone when he attacked Paul Onions, he was alone when he abducted the two women in 1971, he was alone when he tried to abduct the other two women in 1977, he was alone when he tried to abduct that other British backpacker in 1982.
It could be that, like his murder stage when he behaved out of the realm of his normal every day life, he smoked and drank during those phases too.
Or he just let him victim smoke/drink.
He was also a very strong and powerful man for his size.
Of course, he could have been with someone else on some occasions, but it was only Ivan who handed out all that camping equipment and clothing. None of his brothers did.
@@lyndoncmp5751and he was alone when he tried to get me in his van in 86/87 But…..he said he had to go pick up his brother. Ivan had connections to other rotten people too.
@@moyamontgomery1468
Seriously? What happened? Where and how did it go down, if you care to share? Cheers.
Really sad stories. Just a cold blooded, murderous psychopath. It’s frightening to know that there are evil predators like this bastard in the world.
I've lived in and around the mentioned Liverpool area for most of my life. The 'backpacker murders', as they were known, were very big news around here at the time. I got 'chills' when you mentioned Byron Bay, as I lived up there surfing & working in the 80's & 90's as well as nearby Brunswick Heads, where Malat also lived his sick twisted existence. I'm so glad, and I suppose lucky, that our paths never crossed. May he rot in hell. 💀
I've never hitchhiked and never would! I did help a man holding a gas can and walking towards a gas station a mile away; saw his car. It looked legit. I took him to the station and on the way back he alarmed me by saying " you should never pick up people you don't know". ( In an unfriendly creepy tone) Instead of thanking me. Then asked me for 5.00. He said he would give me back 10.00 instead of the 5.00 for helping. I told him no I didn't have anything, as once you give them money they want more . He got out. It surprised me that time and bothered me enough that I won't do it again. Be careful everyone ❤
OMG….you’re so fortunate, especially in this day and age. Yes, PLEASE don’t ever do it again!!
@@karenhoward6712actually it’s much safer in this “day and age”. Criminals think twice because of how hard it is to get away with it. Why do you think the most serial killers ever were back then??
@@Tampafan33We just haven't found the current serial killers.
@@Tampafan33have a look at how many long term missing people there are in Australia. Many really young and many Indigenous Australians. You wouldn’t know from the media.
As a local whose kids and grandkids have always camped at Belangelo there is no doubt there are more victims or that one of his brothers was involved.
what proof do you have?
How can you tell?
How ironic, I just went down this rabbit hole last night! It started when I read a Reddit post where this girl and her mother were camping in Australia, when this guy shows up at night and tells them he had to protect them. Then he sits down and sharpens a stick with a big knife, even though the mother asked him to go away. The next day they ask some nearby residents about him and they’re like, “oh, that’s just Ivan, he means no harm”. Years later they see him on the news and it’s this guy 😳
Woah 😦
That is WILD
Lordy!
Keep reading his nephew did the same
most of the family are wack jobs I bet there are a lot more people he did in just haven’t found them 🇦🇺
It is horrifying to realise that I, as a teenager in the 70's and living in Sydney's south west, used to hitch-hike with my friends all the time... to the Blue Mountains, the south coast, and Central Coast....
I don't remember hearing about any crimes,,, nor was there any warnings about hitch-hiking....
My husband at the time was an avid bush walker and used to walk in the National parks and nature reserves that were named here....
Scary stuff..😮😮
Thinking about campaigning to punish judges for letting out labeled sex offenders, domestic violence and all crimes violence who end up re-offending. what if judges got punished for their poor judgment?
We wouldn't have any judges left.
@@Boo-dawg.💯🎯
Usually they have judicial immunity from any such consequences.
Bro we all know you ain't gonna do shiz 😂
Punish parents. They chose to have a child and not get that poor kid the proper mental healthcare that child obviously needed. Super selfish of them.
So many missing women and girls. It’s sad how uninterested police seem with solving cases of missing women.
And men and boys.
And Indigenous Australians.
The long number of long term missing people in Australia is shocking.
This was VERY well researched.Great episode lim glad you mentioned ALL of the people you mentioned.
He said his family wasn’t involved, but his brother Richard knew there were dead bodies in the forest. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was part of the killing spree. It was a terrible time for young people here in Australia. The nephew was so proud of his uncle he actually changed his name to Milat. Just shocking
His nephew was uncertain of his sexual orientation.
yes!
That family is rotten and evil
@@ileanaacacostaacosta1813 didn’t one brother change his name because he didn’t want the stigma? Don’t blame him, but at least he must be decent . But yep, wouldn’t trust a Milat.
Didn't Richard's work records show that he couldn't have done it? He might have known something though.
I grew up in the Parramatta area of Sydney. I was finishing high school when they started finding the bodies in Belanglo.
I was always told never to hitch-hike due to the danger of being abducted and murdered. People still hitch-hiked all around the area where these poor souls disappeared, even while it was all over the news.
RIP to all his victims.
Its wild to me that people ever trusted other people enough to even consider hitch hiking
I grew up in that time and was never comfortable getting into the car of someone I didn’t know so never did. That said, in the middle of a blizzard in about 1975, i was sent home from work early and picked up two young high school boys walking home in it. They rode with me about 2 miles until I came nearer to their homes. I couldn’t have left them struggling out there.
Hitch hiking eventually fell out of favour, thanks to maniacs like Milat. There are few things so high risk as stepping into a total stranger's vehicle. And few better ways to entrap victims, for a serial killer/rapist - even male victims, as this case demonstrates.
Makes me feel old. Lol Idid it, but now can't believe any of us did. We also walked between friends' houses in the hours between dawn and dusk, even hiked to the river or lake for late night campfires. By the mid 80s, we all knew things were changing fast and not for anything good. We felt it became much riskier.
Yup
Until Ivan it was pretty safe to hitch hike in Australia
Thank you for doing this video.
Gordana Kotevski wasn't a backpacker. She was abducted walking to her aunts house from a shopping centre. 10 minute walk if that.
Chilling story. I am Australian and at the time I was studying and doing warehouse work which also employed backpackers so there was a lot of fear amongst them because some had hitchhiked. A few years later, I went backpacking around Europe where I met an Australian couple from Adelaide. We were talking about the dangers of hitchhiking and the guy reckoned he was picked up by Milat in the late 70s. He said he and a friend were hitchhiking to Queensland and a truck driver picked them up north of Sydney. The truck driver was trying to get them to smoke a joint and was quite aggressive about it. He said the guy was creepy and as soon as they could they got out. He always remembered the guy’s face and when Milat was arrested he recognized him as the truck driver. I never realized Milat was active north of Sydney because the guy who had told me that story, which was in 1996, and I both thought Milat was only active south of Sydney - interesting to hear that he was active in northern NSW.
Excellent job! it's still amazing to me that even after several videos on this case there are always details new to me. Also, thumbs up for the beautiful effort of getting pronunciation of our insanely non-English friendly town names mostly correct! Bulli (actually Bull-Eye), Taree (Tarr-ee) and Cronulla (Chron-ull-uh) were jarring but forgivable, especially in light of getting the majority of the numerous others right! We like to think of ourselves as 'normal', but even the Welsh seem logical compared to Aussie names!
I was coming to comment these but you wrote them up beautifully.
Our place names really are wild sometimes, even to where I don't know how to say them, haha 😅
My dad and grandfather both like to make fun of them by saying them how they're written, like Goonoo Goonoo (gun-a-gun-oo) and Mudgee (muh-jee) 😂 and there are so many more!
Also wanted to add these to the list of place names DC was so close on saying correctly, Muswellbrook (muh-suhl-bruk) and Bungendore (buhng·uhn·daw). Props for Queanbeyan (kween·bee·uhn), though, even I say it wrong sometimes and know how it's pronounced 😅
I live in Australia and have read books about this horrible case. I truly believe that there are more bodies still in the forest. I remember when they raided his house, the cop in charge said he was hoping to find some evidence instead they found an Aladdin’s Cave of evidence, spread between multiple family houses. A horror crime rampage that could of been avoided.
My brother in law was a police officer working on this case.
Wow, how horrible to have to see these
Once in the mid 2010's my aunt was travelling solo to visit friends who had moved over 8 hours away down south from our hometown up north. She had never been to the area or surrounds they had moved to but had been to Sydney and nearer areas many times.
She was a few hours away from her destination and a few hours outside of Sydney, going through a state forest, not knowing its name as she was simply following the gps. When she got this strong creeping feeling and a chill run down her back. Shortly after, she saw the entrance signs for the Belangalo state forest and realised where she was. She got the creeps again and was glad when she got out of the area as she said that it definitely has a certain energy to it.
I'd like to visit the forest myself, not to be a lookiloo for the murder sites, but to just feel the energy of the place for myself and pay my respects to the souls lost.
There's many places I've seen in media or read about that I'd like to visit for the same reason. Some places I just feel drawn to, sadly, many of these places have also had bad things happen in/ to them.
Even though Milat is gone, I hope that at least some, if not all, of the unsolved cases possibly linked to him can be solved one day.
This story is beyond tragic. So many young people were robbed of their futures & their families sentenced to lifelong grief & suffering. I'm normally not a proponent of the death penalty, but it's warranted here.
I watched a movie about this case. The movie is called "Ivan Milat: Killer in the Forest. Thank you for sharing this story with us.👍
Feel terrible that I lost track of the victims (their number). So much carnage -difficult to fathom
To this day I say he had help doing this and there are more victims out there just haven’t found them 🇦🇺
Agree
Love your channel and always click right away. Thank you for all your work and time to give us these horrific stories ❤take care
I think that I had a run in with the Belanglo killer once, while hiking. He grabbed me from behind, but was surprised to find that I was well versed in hand to hand. These skills were honed during my 3 tours in Vietnam.
My gosh!!! He completely terrorized every area he went to.
This is yet another example of how upbringing oftentimes has lasting effects, some in a very negative way. Sometimes, children can end up beyond chance to change. He had absolutely nothing good to offer the world.
My heart goes out to all of the innocent victims. I can't even imagine how scary their last moments were.
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Found you! Another point to me.
Good Grief! What's the total number of victims in this thing? I couldn't keep up. What a monster!!!😖
And these are just the ones we can prove. He's believed to have murdered several more. Absolute monster.
He was charged with 7 murders and one attempted murder. But I firmly believe that there are many more in the huge forest!
Rip Caroline, Joanne, Anya, Gabor, Debbie, James & Simone 😢
He was doing all this over a 25-30 year period,scarey.
I wasnt listening to this close enough, but the first doc i watched about this guy made me sick. Two people he got, he stabbed a girl in the spine so she was still aware what was going on but couldnt move and then murdered the person she was with. She was apparently alive like that for a long time. They found a person who he had shot in the head and he kept turning their body and shooting the head. Like how the fuck do you even get as sick as this? Some of the sickest stuff ive heard with this guy.
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Peter Letcher was found in another forest a few years before, about 200km to the north. It's likely Ivan Killed him. Could be other bodies all over the place. He was very mobile and worked in lots of different areas.
I don't think he killed them a very long way from where he picked them up. He had to drive in the general direction they wanted to go at first. I don't think Belanglo Forest was the only place he killed them. He possibly stayed away from picking up hitchhikers and killing them near where he likely killed Letcher after his body was found and changed to Belanglo.
Holy heck ...this is outrageous.
I keep hearing that 90% of the animals that can kill you outright are native to Australia. Makes sense to me.
Two legged animals.
Except those two legged animals are not native to Australia they were an introduced species and have caused havoc ever since
Thank you! This case is fascinating and you told it perfectly! ❤
My ex reckons he was picked up by him in 79,He fell asleep on Milats shoulder during the drive.Milat pulled over at the turn off to Belangalo and said to him "youre no fun,you wouldnt know if you were dead" and pushed him out of the car.!!!talk about lucky.😮
Lucky and, I suspect, untrue :)
New sub! Also I had this playing on my phone while I worked (from home) and my mum was listening too. When you got to Chad & Melony and said they're from Inala, QLD we both looked straight at eachother. I'm from Inala and have never, not once heard of these two teens. I have no idea how that information escaped us both as well as our family. Unbelievable. According to sources online there's a few theories as there were other active rapists and serial killers around that time nationwide and in Queenland. We never heard anything on the news or local paper! I hope one day we can know what happened to them as well as every other victim you mentioned
The fact that he would paralyse them and they just had to lay there waiting to be killed is beyond awful.
He and his mates tortured them for hours
I had heard of this before, but told in a very different way, one that started by highlighting the offender's background. I didnt put it together at first. When our Narrator finally spoke the offender's name, I said out loud "oh sh!t. It's THAT guy!" Truly a monster.
Firstly well done with pronouncing all those Australian words!
A friend of mine used to hitch on a regular basis between Bangalow and Melbourne. He was at a service station on the southern tablelands between Sydney and Goulbourne looking for a lift. This man offered to give him a lift. He didn't know what it was about the man but after years of hitchhiking, he found there was something about this fella that just made all the hairs on his neck stand up so he declined.
It wasn't until Milat's photo was broadcast on the television some years later that he realised that Milat was the man!
So someone witnessed seeing a vechike chasing a woman and did absolutely nothing 🤬....how many times do we hear this !
Enough, right? SMH 🤦🏼♀️
His nephew Matthew Milat was a psychopath also, and murdered one of his best friends and is in jail now too. Something very dark happened with that evil drunk granpa Milat to have that many criminals as children and grandchildren..yechhh
Wow! This one was intense. Thanks so much for your very thorough research and explanations. ❤
Thank you for the new video! I can’t wait to watch it.
Monster doesn’t even come close to being an adequate discrimination.
Unfortunately far too many people come to Australia thinking it's safe, it's not. Especially in these outback type places.
Very true but I’d also like to point out that the eastern Australian areas where these happened is no where near outback, remote and slightly isolated, but not outback. Well at least not by my terms anyway.
The murder rate in Australia is extremely low.
This makes the “Wolf Creek” horror film franchise all the more horrific. I had no idea the films were based on actual crimes- and it seems the brutality shown to victims in the movies wasn’t just exaggerated by Hollywood. These poor people experienced a demise every bit as terrible (if not worse) than what the movie screens were showing💔
Wolf Creek was inspired by the murder of Peter Falconio and the attack of his partner, Joanne Lees, as well.
Even without evidence, most people (me included) are fully convinced that he committed if not all, then most of the murders he was implicated in.
It’s so infuriating that only one of his brothers has denounced him fully. Everyone else just defends him. Pretty sure that several of his siblings were involved in one or more cases. And disappearing in the Australian wilderness means you’ll likely never be found. Outside of the cities, Australia is just one, huge, remote and hostile place.
I find it unthinkable but not unexpected, given the extremely lax and lenient sentences handed out by Australian courts that Milat was never locked up for good after his early crimes against women. The unfortunate feeling I get is that we, in our mistaken belief in our "enlightened" approach to punishment and rehabilitation, should admit that despite the "cruel and unusual punishments" meted out during the "dark middle ages", such as breaking at the wheel and burning at the stake, the people at that time in history got one thing right: the punishment should not only fit the crime, it must cause sufficient pain and suffering over a prolonged period of time to the condemned in full view of the public in order to be an effective deterrent. It is truly a shame that in this day and age, I am persuaded that there is a place in criminal punishment for forced labour death camps and gulags. That Milat's grand nephew idolized him and set out to "make his own mark" in criminal history is, for me, sufficient evidence that for the worst of the worst, the very harshest and most cruel of punishments should be allotted. Such inhuman beasts should receive as much mercy as they showed their victims.
Yes and no, on the punishment. Over and over,research has shown that the number one deterrent factor is likelihood, if not certainty, of being caught and held accountable. That's a big reason I support universal DNA collection and retention, although not being held by law enforcement. But there are people for whom deterrence makes no difference. They are wired differently and need to be locked away. Period. These "minimum tariffs" in Australia and the UK make "accountability" a joke.
They made a movie about this crime 💀. It was called Wolf 🐺 Creek and it was so scary .
Wolf creek isn’t about old Ivan just somebody in the outback
That's not about Ivan. It's about a different man who attacked 2 female hitchhikers in the outback. It's a true story. Watch 60 minutes Australia.
I watched the movie & it appeared to be loosely based on Ivan Milat, but it wasn't a documentary style of movie. Sort of like the movie Silence of the Lambs, which was loosely based on Ted Bundy & Ed Geins.
@jenniferlisow2901 But it is based on an actual case that happened, not Ivan Milat.
Then there was Bradley John Murdoch who in 2001 brazenly stopped an English couple Peter Falconio & Joanne Lees (tourists travelling around Australia) on the Stuart Hwy under the guise of alerting them to a problem with their kombi van. What happened to them both (especially Joanne) was purely terrifying 😒
If you ever get the chance to watch the interviews with Milats other brother i highly recommend. He says the family apart from him still stood by Ivan after everything, he is deeply traumatised by what his brother did.
Hello Dark Curiosities: you are a talented wordsmith. The eloquent way you craft your narrative is vividly masterful. The music is also perfectly suited. Thank you: from Charlotte, NC
They did a horror movie loosely based on him years ago called Wolf Creek
That's based on another crime that happened to 2 female hitchhikers, if you watch 60 minutes Australia you'll see the true story.
and our legal system is a joke, and i cant see it changing in my life time😞
are you a surgeon? whats with that silly mask?
Belanglo state forest is used heavily by NSW scouts for hiking and camping events every year, and every time we go . theres always the scary stories of what happened in the forest. kids are warned not to touch bones , even those obviously animal, these storeies well recited to those who grew up in the area, we are taught to never hitchhike, and to never hike in a forest alone. the stories of these murders are well known and hit close to home
Well done, nailed the pronouncements of all of the Australian towns haha.
Another great, informative video
Now that I'm old, I wonder how young people could hitchhike -- something I never did. But my friends did, and when our parents told us about dangerous disappearances, I laughed it off as them not being cool. So glad that deep inside, I believed them, and I wish more people would have done.
One of FOURTEEN kids!?
Thank you. Jesus🤦🏼♀️..just left my own comment about feeling bad bcs I’d lost count. Terrifying
Thank you DC🙏🏼🕊️🦌💔
I used to drive past the forest on the way to the south coast. It was early 90s too. Used to see a few hitchhikers back then. Chilling
I wish our world was one in which people could explore the many forests with harm ..this disturbs me greatly…. but thank you for sharing Dark Curiosities.❤
I really enjoy your videos - thank you so much for them! The script for this one seems a little overwritten in places - instead of the direct language you usually use, this seems uncharacteristically flowery and embellished in places.
"A practice not uncommon in the realm of nomadic wanderers."
I think these bits are the result of AI being asked to pad out the script.
R.I.P. to all the victims of this sicko 🙏🏾
As an Australian, this period was crazy.
Very Good Video 👍
How scary! 😵💫
That was depressing.
The whole Milat family was nuts
Crazy fella this one.
His whole family to be honest...
Understatement of the year.
It's horrible that this one man, with his family's knowledge, has caused so many deaths and sadness to all these victims' families.
My God, what an agonizing video. There is no end to the missing and murdered young people in Australia.
15:00 I woulda thought that hat was photoshopped on him for sure
Right??
No, that was his hat ...legit...
@@skippy5685 I know its real....when I first saw it it just looked odd at first
That was his hat
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In terms of the number of victims, this is the worst serial-killer story I've heard since Andrei Chikatilo. This story virtually BEGS to be either dramatized or committed to writing, preferably by Australia's own media industry.
It has been.
That's kind of like hitch hiking in reverse. A stranger in a car with you can be dangerous.
Milat was pure evil.
Love your work,
If someone was saying that they’d murdered someone you think you’d go to the police.
Jfc. It took me a moment to figure out which case this was. Correct me if I'm wrong -- but didn't this psycho paralyze some of his victims so that they couldn't fight back? This guy freaks me out, and no way he did it all alone (in my opinion).
Other than Marat, there's another element connecting all these murders: young woman thinking it's safe to hitchhike. Say this is victim blaming all you like, but as these awful cases prove, it is NOT safe for young woman to accept lifts from anyone they don't know. I wouldn't recommend it to young men either, as Onion's case proves, but at least he escaped with his life. Many of these young women were with partners, but that's still not safe. Don't hitchhike. EVER.
Yeah, among his victims, there were also some men too. Onions was lucky, plus he had prior military training so he could escape the bullet line.
Ivan Milatwasxa vicious monster. 2 movies loosely based on his crimes were made for the Big screens called “ Wolf Lake” one in 2006 and a sequel “ Wolf Lake 2” I believe in 2013. The same actor played Milat’s character in both films . . There was a very similar case in the United States where backpackers and hikers were murdered in the US. And the bodies were dumped in the Wood d areas. Not sure if it was California or the Appalachian trail in Eastern US through the Carolina’s and Virginia .
And the list goes on and on. Glad that man was locked away for good.
Holy Schmidt...just HOW MANY were offed by this guy & his weirdo fam?
Psychotic evil version of Beavis.
From what I hear, it was cash, ass, gas or grass. You can't hitchhike anymore. Serial killers are ready to pounce! Crazy world.😢
Silly remarks.
I don't recall the scripts being quite so flowery and verbose before? The lady has created an excellent true crime channel, but she'd do well to reign in the tortured metaphors and keep it simple.
Too much description, storyteller-style, is a barrier, not a bridge to communication!
4 "WD" vehicle? AI script read?
More likely she’s just unfamiliar with the abbreviation for 4 wheel drive. There’s many places outside Australia that call them by other names.
4WD is a fairly standard phrase, at least in the UK.
@eadweard. Yes, but as I said, there are places where they aren't commonly called that. Sure, it may be mentioned here and there, but usually by a different name. Like in certain places, Jeep like vehicles are all called Jeeps even if they're not. It's regional. Just like a lot of other names for things. I call a pressed toasted sandwich a breville because that's what I grew up with, but others call it a jaffle. Same with swimming garments or thong shoes. The list goes on.
@@eadweard. But I also agree that it would be more commonly known in 'western' countries, Australia, USA, UK etc
Thanku I live here thanku
Poor kids just wanted to travel
The rest of the family are involved and know exactly where the rest of the victims are....
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Golly. Purple the prose was.
Born bad. How's that death penalty sounding now?
Subtitles no available 😢
Very irritating for the hearing impaired.
Use the “cc” button for closed captions.
@@mikesanders8621 Press the closed caption button, “cc”. I see closed captions on my iPhone.
@@KohalaLover that wasn't an option.
Very useful for deaf people
He has dead eyes, black as night. Kind of looks like Saddam Hussein in the pic with the hat and gun.
So sad. You tend to tell the stories well but may I ask why you keep calling the victims by their surnames? I feel it's rather impersonal. Surname only for perpetrators I find more fitting
November echo echo delta lima echo plain and simple
世界知名连环杀手 伊万米拉特…😮
Pls pardon, just want to lyk that ‘Infamous’ or ‘notorious’ is more suitable
Except for changing a few words now and then, this was almost like reading the whole Wikipedia article on the case instead of giving it a personal note tbh. The case is so frustrating and sad and it would be been very interesting to get a bit more insight in the channel owner's thoughts on how everything went down.
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First view! Awesome
Hitchhiking! Yes, what could go wrong with that?
I’m sorry… but….
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I used to drive past the forest on the way to the south coast. It was early 90s too. Used to see a few hitchhikers back then. Chilling