HOW TO BEAT HUMANKIND ON ANY DIFFICULTY | The Power of Trade in Humankind
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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Despite @thespiffingbrit latest video claiming Humankind is a perfectly balanced game, I'm here to tell you it is indeed perfectly balanced. If perfectly balanced means trade, trade, and more trade that you can exponentially duplicate and multiply to gain insane bonuses, sending your FIMS resources flying!
How does trade work in Humankind? This video will answer that key question, exploring how to trade in Humankind game, what trade treaties to pick and how to get the ai to accept your trade treaties. Luxury and strategic resources can be traded in Humankind, and any traded resource will also be held by the user/ creator too. In Humankind, traded resources still benefit the owner (regardless of how many copies are traded).
I'll also discuss how to monitor and understand trade routes in Humankind, and how to create trade routes. The insane yields generated by trade routes in humankind, largely thanks to the massive yields luxuries like tea, gold, porcelain, really alllll of them! You will absolutely snowball and never run our of stability if you can trade and collect as many luxuries as possible.
Thanks for watching this Humankind game video about trade and how to break humankind game by exploding your yields and easily beating the AI on any difficulty. So Is Humankind A Perfectly Balanced Game With No Exploits? Well there is only one way to find out! . Humankind is wonderful and i'll continue to cover it right here on my JumboPixel youtube channel for humankind gameplay, humankind updates, humankind guides and more! #Humankind #HumankindGame #Exploit
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You made the video after I asked you about it during your stream the other day! Thanks so much!
I did! Hope you like it :)
I think they are cheap and so powerful to incentivize people to actually trade with the AI instead of just obliterating them and taking resources by force. I like it.
I love getting to trade. All depends if I cant survive 10000000 hunnic hordes running at me.
@@maxpowers4436 in Humankind difficulty, none of the AI on my continent want to trade luxury. So I took them.
@@maxpowers4436 stupid hunnics! Had to rush crossbow in my last game n they still barely win.
I felt the same - peace was more rewarding as I bought all luxuries from all cyvilizations
One additional thing I found in my trade game was adopting the civic to attach and absorb with money instead of influence.. you can form a gigalopolis (30+ territories in 1 city) fairly easily on a big map. And with that all your trade routes fall under all effects (e.g. wonders like empire state building, infrastructure +money per trade route, etc.). I didn't realize it until I absorbed all my cities but it more than doubled my income. Last thing about huge cities, Teutons with the faith generation from their emblematic district are super broken with Angkor Wat, and you can sustain massive numbers of territories + pops without building a ton of farmer's quarters. I think I had something like 450 pops on a city with maybe 7-8 farmers quarters in contemporary era (of course this was trading for every food luxury, wondrous effects, and all food infrastructure upgrades).
He touched on it indirectly near the end, but every strategic resource has an associated "infrastructure" that gets better the more of that resource the player has. For instance, the animal barn gives 5 food for every horse and the forge gives 5 production for every copper, which are quite powerful in the early game. The armory gives 25 experience for every iron, so you can end up with 2-3 stars of veterancy on every new unit with enough iron, which is always good. And so on. Even better, strategic resources are usually much cheaper to trade for than most luxuries. It gets quite silly on huge maps.
This might be good to mention to rush the patronage technology so that you have the chance to be the 1st to build Manufacturies on resources With which you are competing with the AI.
I played one game so far, and the resource bonuses immediately seemed very powerful. I didn't know extra copies give you more benefits even without the patronage, but I did rush that tech when I saw the bonuses. Never needed to worry about stability afterwards .Unfortunately, resources were so clustered that I had either enough for patronage on my own, or all my copies were through trade so I had nowhere to build the patronage building, so I couldn't get as much as I'd have liked. And because on that first game I teched out way ahead of the AI, I was fuming as the AI didn't know what to do with their salpater resource nodes, let alone their uranium. I could never build many top-tier units because I didn't have the resources for it in my territory, and the AI couldn't work theirs.
The purchasing system is pretty weird though. A one-time sum and then you get the bonuses for as long as the trade route isn't interupted, which could be next turn or until the end of the game. I think the trade system needs some rebalancing.
Loving all your Humankind content Jumbo. Keep it coming!
One minor thing:
I think I would have also mentioned the hanging gardens of Babylon. Which can give you a wonderous effect long before you ever unlock the research
No kidding? Well *that* changes the priorities of wonders. Damn.
@@softxpandguest708 you still have to have a majority. Which can be tough that early in the game. But in some instances, it is very powerful
Good tip! I had included that in my top humankind tips video so the info is already on the channel, but I agree! :D
@@JumboPixel fair enough lol. It's just an easy detail to miss, especially since it doesn't specifically mention it on the wonders screen
@@AllanEnraged Remember, you can trade for a 'majority', which is a bit insane but there you go.
Playing a another game and before I thought it was production that let me out pace the AI, no its trade. Playing on Empire and one of the AIs was ahead of me(large map few AI, hadn't meet anyone until near medieval era) started to trade with them and I quickly caught up(focused pop on money for awhile to buy all the trade goods). Trade is crazy, im ahead on tech with maybe one research district per city and I never have a pop on research.
Fantastic content. Helps explain why some of the AI were doing so well and I had to go to war to stop them. Definitely going to incorporate this into my game.
Trade is so powerful. It stacks resource buffs and stability for cities. I always try to grab as many monopolies on certain trade goods as possible for when I get patronage. If you have 2 or 3 manufactories up, you've effectively won.
I just got done watching a lord of the rings video so i appreciate the pause between eleven and tea.
I read that as 'between elven and tea'
This is the most complex game I've ever played. I'm completely new to the genre but I'm loving it. I have about 40 hrs in and still learning everyday. Thanks for the videos!
Awesome!!
Well you didn't play with Europa Univeralis IV ... ,🤭
Bought this game for 2 euros in my country with a discount. Really something fresh after civ. It was getting quite boring, but all those late game trades, wars and stuff really funny and I find it much more logical than civ
This video made me subscribe. 😎🤙🏼
Only 138 turns to reach contenporary era!?
I love trade, but I also really love making use of my fancy new military toys
Maybe empire should not get full benefit of luxury when buying it from another empire. Maybe half would be enough. I think there should be bigger benefit to making luxury yourself and hoarding all luxuries through trade is too good at the moment.
Hey Jumbo, can you do a guide about territories? I really struggle when I need to decide between joining a territory to an existent city or when to create a new city.
Rule of thumb, you want three territories in a triangle. Use the vertex between the three to stack unique districts so you can gain the benefits with fewer districts needing to be built.
@@softxpandguest708 so no more than 3 territories per city?
@@JBY I kinda just join things up, so I have 9 to my main city, it's still at 100% stability so why not.
@@JBY 3 Territories per city is my sweet spot aswell. You can do more (esspecialy on ur capitol) but just make sure you are always on your city cap (or prefferbly 1 over it).
@@JBY there are bonuses to your capital only based on territories on it... So i make the majority of my linked territories on my capital. Obviously i cant really do this on a non-pangea map (as other cities may be on islands or far away continents) but. And when picking huns or mongols your territories are kinda cities anyway so...
God bless the captalism
Hi, thanks for this informative explanation. You mentioned that buying resources is only a one time investment, but I see there's also a daily upkeep, so 25 gold a turn for upkeep when I am making 50 gold per turn (I'm in the 2nd Era) is not really viable. Is this from a newer patch?
I find that after one successful AI kill that with trade a rush to science victory makes more sense than jeopardizing access to luxuries through war. AI cities are usually smaller than yours and after a war are depleted down to almost nothing and so the bounty of victory is limited later in the game if you have already had some success. Not sure how I feel about that, but the pressure from the outside and the pressure to take more land eases after the medieval and maybe as late as early modern periods. Not sure if balancing is needed to allow for incentive to the AI to push harder for war when losing or for you as a player when winning to make late game war more of a thing. Heck, nukes when you have won hard are difficult to get online before science victory outright
I would argue that this is a feature.
Basically, the point humankind pushes is that "conquering the world" is not necessarily a good goal for the leader of a nation. The spread of an empire can easily become its demise and while people can be motivated to participate in wars, motivating them to conquer everything quickly becomes a problem. As Sun Tzu said: "there is no instance of a nation benefitting from belonged warfare".
As for strategic balance, this doesn't mean that going for a strong military is a bad idea. Having a strong military means that you do not have to yield to other empires demands and can make demands of your own that they may not be able to afford to refuse. Basically, everyone wants to get on your good side because of that. The problem is: you need to bully other empires to make the most out of that strength and they know that. They will seek to form alliances and strengthen their military to match you - and trade embargos are a quite powerful tool to achieve that. This can lead you to a point where going to war is the only option.
The way humankind approaches war is much closer to Clausewitz ideas of warfare than to the idea of a total war.
You can still get massive benefits from later war by going after a players monopoly, conquering manufactories and extra stars is my main reason for war every time. Also sometimes the AI gets some really strong cities, conquered Mykene at late medieval/early modern and it had like 40 pop, 50 districts and as much science as lots of my other cities (humankind difficulty).
The weird thing in trade is AI will buy my extracted resources automatically.
What if I dont want to sell my stratigic resources to the potential future enemy.
Then don't sign the trade treaty
Then keep your trade treaty to luxuries only :)
Those wonderous effects are really op but I think you need to have atleast one of the resources in your empire so you can build the artisan quarter or whatever the wonderous district is.
Yup! And you’ll need the patronage technology (or the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus)
@@JumboPixel I'd like to know your opinion on cruise missiles, and multirole fighters, everyone is talking about how busted nukes are in the game but you can essentially get the same effect with those two units that are significantly cheaper to make and in the multitole fighters case it can be used multiple time
Love the videos soon my bit for the algo
Was hoping the city building’s “on-trading” modifier was explained a but more. Is it per trade route or just ones passing through or starting/ending in a territory, is it per territory or just once per trade route?
On trading means for each passing trade route. Not just yours, but any trade route. If you hold the cursor on the Main plaza of that city you will see exactly how many trade routes pass though that city and to whom do they belong. Thus having a centrally located city can generate additional income from foreign trade routes as well.
Also, that map looks amazing. Can you share the seed?
It's a mod I believe. huge earth map mod
This seems a smaller map than the huge earth map. I would like to know where you got this as well
So the wonderous affect only happens once you get the patronage tech?
I'm going to do a water world map. See how that does... all about ships
I always spam out my resources early game. It doesn't seem to be nearly as effective compared to just focusing on production Early game
Just finished a game where I went all out on trade + alliances.. finished the game making 120k gold per turn it was absolutely marvellous. I just really wish the UI was clearer on AI relations like a paradox game with numbers and not generic thumbs up/down and obtuse "attitudes" or "feelings" about you. Like your example here, the AI kept rejecting the alliance trade agreement for cheaper routes but I already had every single route purchased.. I wanted to make it cheaper for AI to get my resources and they even had a negative "stat" that they wanted my luxury resources, yet still declined the offer. Was extremely frustrating and couldn't figure out why they kept refusing the deal despite having the "revered" relationship.
A.I. Relations in this game is weird I’ll have the A.I. Hatefilled but never declare war
How do you get the "world map"? 😮 I always get some random land
So what income do you generate from the ongoing trade of you own resources? It doesn't seem like there is any, yet it's implied there is. Do I not just get a one-time fee from the AI when they buy the resource? Seems like the income from trade routes comes entirely from infrastructures you build that give +gold for each trade route. But do those generate gold for you on both import and export trade routes? They are massively powerful gold engine. The whole trade system is very cryptic and hard to interact with in a meaningful way.
Yup - it goes both ways. It's a one-off payment to establish trade. You will however see som,e of those scaling benefits I mention at the end of the video (eg. +1 money per trade route)
So money is my biggest struggle rn. I have tons of resources and trade so I guess I just need to unlock patronage asap.
Yup! And don’t underestimate the power of having market quarters around - especially next to your luxuries on the map!
@@JumboPixel I have been placing those frequently as of late. How do you handle population growing larger than capacity? A lot of my cities are like 35/30 +1 per turn. Stability on all cities is 100% BTW.
sorry for stupid question... how did you get to play with the "real world" map?
Why is my influence going negating by the thousands ??
How did you get 11 tea? I never get more than 8 of one resource in a game on Huge maps
How did I not know this. I feel ashamed
My god turn 138 contemporary era and 45k money per turn? very nice, is normal pace? and witch difficulty? do you agree that war as winning condition is not worth? and u can always go science? Or maybe in this case u pollute the world and end the game turn 150:)
If you ever play a game with more turns you realise there's way more things that are broken.
like sweden's signature district generating 200 science per district ahahahah
Do you get Fame if you have a lot of money? Is there a competitive deed that gives you Fame? If not, I don't see where the problem is exactly.
Or you could just conquer all the resources and horde them.
Then I wonder why the AI don't make it anywhere!
It's stupid that I can't choose simply strategic resources trade. It's should be option for that. Maybe i won't share all my luxuries to get one horse?
And of course maybe I won't to sell something to other civs, maybe I only want to buy from them? I don't need money and I won't to help AI with my resources...
How the hell did you get to contemporary before turn 150?
I can’t quite remember for this game, but i was likely playing on either blitz or fast speed. Probably fast! (150 turn)
turn 138 and 45k gold per turn???? HOW????
how are you contemporary era pn turn 138? Like actually how
Looks like he’s playing on fast speed, as it says game ends at turn 150.
If I trade away a resource do I lose its benefits? :P
Nope! You just get a one time cash boost when someone buys it.
If every play-style is too strong, then does that mean the game is balanced? Lol
not if youre playing singleplayer
Huh? In Civ trading resources means you cant use them? wtf is that????
Almost first 😎
Year 15,772 lol
The video title pretty much sums up the current balancing of the game. 😢
Play as Germany use the U boats to raid trade routes as they are stealth and make money.
So you’re saying I shouldn’t go full Total War style and just wipe everyone else off the map ASAP, and actually trade with the people around me?
Sounds fishy.
Maybe it take you less time to just make a video about what isn't broken? I mean, you don't have to; I'm enjoying the videos. But I'm having trouble keeping track of all the build styles and systems that are OP. Seems like it would take less time to just tell us "don't double down on the X builds because they aren't a broken as the food builds, the trade builds, the science builds, the production builds, the influence builds, the horse builds..."
I make era guides which are more general, but it’s sadly never going to be possible to say: do x, y, z and win. Maps are so variable, opponents too! And with 60 cultures, each and every game will call for something different.
However, knowledge is always power.
Having a cake while eating the cake. Its dumb and no game i know has this mechanic. Ive played many, Civ, HoI, SC and alike. This is straight up stupid. Oh tes the incentive to trade i get it but doubling the resource for free and getting free bonuses for that to just make a mechanic more viable or even a must is bad game design.
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