Pilot sounds pretty chill for a guy in this situation. "I lost my airspeed indicator and I can see a little out the window". Hope he was wearing brown pants!
I've been there, in my case fog coming in to IAH, our divert. Finally saw the runway 50 ft AGI over the lights on the left hand side. In addition, it was our third approach and iffy fuel for a fourth. Once down, the fog was so thick we couldn't see to taxi so the controller had us stop in place and they sent a Follow Me car out. It was about 2am so there wasn't any other traffic coming in. Thank goodness for the talented ATC personnel who brought us in.
The stuff of nightmares. My IR instructor once got hit with some super-cooled droplets afew years ago. Wasn't even in a cloud. It happened fast. Hustled back to the airport barely able to hold altitude for a no flaps landing at 90 kts. I got chills just hearing him tell the story. Don't mess with moisture and freezing temps.
Yeah that would be the intelligent thing to do but no one loves pushing the limits of airframes in weather or performance more than single engine GA pilots.
@@icebox829 Night, IMC, ice. The only risk factor he seemed to avoid was high terrain. Easy to assume he wasn't IFR trained/equipped either. Some pretty shitty ADM there.
Both the controller and the pilot were great! The pilot did an outstanding job continuing to fly and not spinning in, especially after losing his airspeed indicator.
“Flying is long periods of boredom punctuated my brief moments of terror.” Beautiful job by that approach controller and the pilot. Shit happens but this guy held it together and lived to tell the story.
Amen! Everybody keeps giving props to this pilot. What was he doing there to begin with? The key to being a good pilot is use superior judgement to avoid putting yourself in situations where you have to use superior skills.
I remember one night with all my throttles pushed to the firewall going down, realizing that I would have to contemplate ditching at night in the rough sea below us as the math no longer worked out to make landfall or to see the light of day…… The calm voice of a controller and wisdom of an old instructor in the back of your head, speaking sage advice of the role of ground effect and landing a crippled ship loaded with ice Priceless
@@ottoottensen4836 you're right I woke up to the realization that no one's gonna keep you alive, but yourself… You flying proficiency your aeronautical knowledge Common sense… Act upon it If you've read all these comments, you probably know that cooperate graduate and get you awfully dead
I did my PPL in sunny southern Spain but with some great instructors, always making sure I could navigate via VORs and we did some ILS approaches in the FSTD when we had done all the mandatory things required for those initial simulator hours. Ofcourse I don't know if this plane was equipped with anything, great job by the controller
Most light training aircraft do have defrosters. Light aircraft which are certified to fly in icing conditions will have additional icing protection for the cabin windows; these can either be electrically heated window elements, or fluid-based protection systems. Light aircraft defrosters are not particularly effective at clearing the windows - the air which they blow is never especially hot, and they are simply ineffective against the accretion rate of ice when you enter moderate or severe icing conditions. The defroster is fitted mainly to "demist" the inside of the window.
Most general aviation aircraft have air cooled engines. Defrost is provided by cold intake air passing through a shroud around the exhaust pipe. At full throttle it can provide pretty hot air, but when the engine is at very low power during a descent to land, it doesn’t provide much heat. Your car is liquid cooled, and the heat is provided by running air through a radiator heated by coolant running through the engine. The engine thermostat keeps the coolant near boiling all the time, so you get a steady supply of hot air. Aircraft with deicing certification typically have an electrically heated piece of glass attached to the windshield to melt enough ice to see.
This aircraft is a piper Archer which does indeed have windscreen defrosting. It’s clear that the guy really doesn’t know how to use it. The aircraft also has pitot/static heating, which he clearly failed to switch on, as his airspeed indicator stopped working at 1:55. The biggest concern was that this guy had almost no control of the aircraft and the airframe was getting very iced up, evidenced by him being “full throttle” at 2:42. I’m a turboprop airline pilot, and we spend a LOT of time in ice, because we are generally stuck below 20,000’. I can confidently say that this guy was seconds from spinning into the ground.
Maybe pilot was a little too preoccupied with looking out the window and not paying attention to his instruments? That what it seems like. I can only imagine how frustrating that is. Controller was awesome!
That’s like saying we should all never get married again after divorce due to infidelity, never drive again after getting a speeding ticket. I bet he’ll be a better pilot from here on out.
Well, weather does what it wants! Some planes don't have full windshield anti-ice systems. I do think that all aircraft should have functional anti-ice.
Exactly right! A good pilot doesn’t put himself into situations where he has to use superior skills to get out of. It’s the “three D’s” before every flight. Am I doing something “Dumb, Dangerous, or Different?” I’d say he absolutely touched upon the first two D’s and possibly the third. If you can’t mitigate your D’s then you don’t fly that day.
You can't always mitigate risk. I was at a training school where the instructors have all been missionary pilots (aka experienced at reading the weather because no TAF or METAR are available in many locations in 3rd world countries), I was the first to takeoff with 5 planes lined up behind me. METARS and TAFS all around our school said the clouds were 2000 AGL. I took off and was in them at 400 feet and started icing. I could see light above me so kept climbing. Once I was above it, there was a low cloud about 10km in diameter sitting right over our airport. Thankfully, I had my IFR rating at that time, if it had been a new pilot that took off before me, it would have ended badly. My plane was not rated for ice so I had to go to another airport and wait for the low cloud to move. It didn't. It descended and turned into fog and I had to wait 3 hours before I could return. I was the only solo student that day, so that means 6 student pilots, and 5 instructors had all looked at the same sky I had looked at, and none could see there was a second layer lower than forecasted or reported at neighbouring airports. You can't mitigate everything.
I remember one night with all my throttles pushed to the firewall going down, realizing that I would have to contemplate ditching at night in the rough sea below us as the math no longer worked out to make landfall or to see the light of day…… The calm voice of a controller and wisdom of an old instructor in the back of your head, speaking sage advice of the role of ground effect and landing a crippled ship loaded with ice Priceless
What a GREAT Controller. The pilot is surely lucky.
Yeah. Great job 👏
Pilot sounds pretty chill for a guy in this situation. "I lost my airspeed indicator and I can see a little out the window". Hope he was wearing brown pants!
I've been there, in my case fog coming in to IAH, our divert. Finally saw the runway 50 ft AGI over the lights on the left hand side. In addition, it was our third approach and iffy fuel for a fourth. Once down, the fog was so thick we couldn't see to taxi so the controller had us stop in place and they sent a Follow Me car out. It was about 2am so there wasn't any other traffic coming in. Thank goodness for the talented ATC personnel who brought us in.
I faced the same back in 2018. GOD was with me that day. I can feel the pilot.
No question that the controller deserves big props!! The pilot remained pretty calm too.
That could've gone a whole lot worse, huge props to the controller for staying so collected
huge props! lol
The stuff of nightmares. My IR instructor once got hit with some super-cooled droplets afew years ago. Wasn't even in a cloud. It happened fast. Hustled back to the airport barely able to hold altitude for a no flaps landing at 90 kts. I got chills just hearing him tell the story. Don't mess with moisture and freezing temps.
Yeah that would be the intelligent thing to do but no one loves pushing the limits of airframes in weather or performance more than single engine GA pilots.
@@icebox829 Night, IMC, ice. The only risk factor he seemed to avoid was high terrain. Easy to assume he wasn't IFR trained/equipped either. Some pretty shitty ADM there.
Well done APPROACH. I can’t imagine the helpless feeling that controller felt.
Great job 👏
Both the controller and the pilot were great! The pilot did an outstanding job continuing to fly and not spinning in, especially after losing his airspeed indicator.
“Flying is long periods of boredom punctuated my brief moments of terror.”
Beautiful job by that approach controller and the pilot. Shit happens but this guy held it together and lived to tell the story.
OUTSTANDING JOB Controller! Wowsers! Great JOB!
Good Job on Both sides. Well done.
Great controller!
It really is!
Awesome controller!
EXCELLENT!!! AWESOME
Was holding my breath there when he kept going right
GREAT JOB FROM THE CONTROLLER. GOD BLESS HIM
Good Job, Men 🤗
.... that sounded scary
Flying in icing conditions without anti/de-ice equipment is highly problematic...
Usually a short-lived problem.
Amen! Everybody keeps giving props to this pilot. What was he doing there to begin with? The key to being a good pilot is use superior judgement to avoid putting yourself in situations where you have to use superior skills.
@@jumboJetPilot Absolutely, good judgement is job #1.
Great controller. Good coms with pilot.
I remember one night with all my throttles pushed to the firewall
going down, realizing that I would have to contemplate ditching at night in the rough sea below us as the math no longer worked out to make landfall or to see the light of day……
The calm voice of a controller and wisdom of an old instructor in the back of your head, speaking sage advice of the role of ground effect and landing a crippled ship loaded with ice
Priceless
And then…you woke up
@@ottoottensen4836 you're right I woke up to the realization that no one's gonna keep you alive, but yourself… You flying proficiency your aeronautical knowledge
Common sense… Act upon it
If you've read all these comments, you probably know that cooperate graduate and get you awfully dead
That's a scary situation, lucky pilot and professional controller.
Wow …. Unreal !! 🙄🙄🙄
I did my PPL in sunny southern Spain but with some great instructors, always making sure I could navigate via VORs and we did some ILS approaches in the FSTD when we had done all the mandatory things required for those initial simulator hours. Ofcourse I don't know if this plane was equipped with anything, great job by the controller
Thanks God for his safety ❤
It reminded me of the old GCA
Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good
Good good good atc.
Am not a pilot - don't planes have heaters to clear the windscreens like cars?
Airplanes that are not certified to fly in icing conditions don’t.
Most light training aircraft do have defrosters. Light aircraft which are certified to fly in icing conditions will have additional icing protection for the cabin windows; these can either be electrically heated window elements, or fluid-based protection systems. Light aircraft defrosters are not particularly effective at clearing the windows - the air which they blow is never especially hot, and they are simply ineffective against the accretion rate of ice when you enter moderate or severe icing conditions. The defroster is fitted mainly to "demist" the inside of the window.
Most general aviation aircraft have air cooled engines. Defrost is provided by cold intake air passing through a shroud around the exhaust pipe. At full throttle it can provide pretty hot air, but when the engine is at very low power during a descent to land, it doesn’t provide much heat. Your car is liquid cooled, and the heat is provided by running air through a radiator heated by coolant running through the engine. The engine thermostat keeps the coolant near boiling all the time, so you get a steady supply of hot air. Aircraft with deicing certification typically have an electrically heated piece of glass attached to the windshield to melt enough ice to see.
This aircraft is a piper Archer which does indeed have windscreen defrosting. It’s clear that the guy really doesn’t know how to use it. The aircraft also has pitot/static heating, which he clearly failed to switch on, as his airspeed indicator stopped working at 1:55.
The biggest concern was that this guy had almost no control of the aircraft and the airframe was getting very iced up, evidenced by him being “full throttle” at 2:42.
I’m a turboprop airline pilot, and we spend a LOT of time in ice, because we are generally stuck below 20,000’. I can confidently say that this guy was seconds from spinning into the ground.
Maybe pilot was a little too preoccupied with looking out the window and not paying attention to his instruments? That what it seems like. I can only imagine how frustrating that is. Controller was awesome!
Yeah, the right full turns while he says he has it have graveyard spiral written all over them!
that pilot needs to put away his PPL. to get into that situation.. unacceptable.
That’s like saying we should all never get married again after divorce due to infidelity, never drive again after getting a speeding ticket. I bet he’ll be a better pilot from here on out.
Wow. Professionalism.
BTDT more times than I care to remember.
DAng. He was close to spiral of death. Deutscher saved his live!
This should NOT happen.................
But it did, and two guys worked together to work it out. If and when this happens again let's hope the next set of people is this lucky.
Well, weather does what it wants! Some planes don't have full windshield anti-ice systems.
I do think that all aircraft should have functional anti-ice.
Exactly right! A good pilot doesn’t put himself into situations where he has to use superior skills to get out of. It’s the “three D’s” before every flight. Am I doing something “Dumb, Dangerous, or Different?” I’d say he absolutely touched upon the first two D’s and possibly the third. If you can’t mitigate your D’s then you don’t fly that day.
You can't always mitigate risk. I was at a training school where the instructors have all been missionary pilots (aka experienced at reading the weather because no TAF or METAR are available in many locations in 3rd world countries), I was the first to takeoff with 5 planes lined up behind me. METARS and TAFS all around our school said the clouds were 2000 AGL. I took off and was in them at 400 feet and started icing. I could see light above me so kept climbing. Once I was above it, there was a low cloud about 10km in diameter sitting right over our airport. Thankfully, I had my IFR rating at that time, if it had been a new pilot that took off before me, it would have ended badly. My plane was not rated for ice so I had to go to another airport and wait for the low cloud to move. It didn't. It descended and turned into fog and I had to wait 3 hours before I could return. I was the only solo student that day, so that means 6 student pilots, and 5 instructors had all looked at the same sky I had looked at, and none could see there was a second layer lower than forecasted or reported at neighbouring airports. You can't mitigate everything.
Hat-tip to Controller
Praise YHVH he made it down!!
This sounds fake, or at best reenacted.....
I remember one night with all my throttles pushed to the firewall
going down, realizing that I would have to contemplate ditching at night in the rough sea below us as the math no longer worked out to make landfall or to see the light of day……
The calm voice of a controller and wisdom of an old instructor in the back of your head, speaking sage advice of the role of ground effect and landing a crippled ship loaded with ice
Priceless