You'd think they could just give him a bit of hush because he might have other things to do. Like fly the plane. You almost need a social secretary to deal with this.
Back in 2020 I did a ferry/reposition from Teterboro to La Guardia in a Citation. We took off to the south and as soon as we got on NY Approach, we got a left turn to the east, straight over Newark. I was in the left seat, but I was not the pilot flying. So, I was busy and "heads-down" with checklist duties and programming. Suddenly, my partner says, "MARC, look outside!" We were directly over the southern tip of Manhatten, at 2000 feet, and no traffic in the sky! This was the peak of the Covid! I took a quick picture of lower Manhatten and went back to work. To look at the picture now it's weird because it's a GREAT picture, but there's no cars on the streets! ATC says, "you guys got LGA in sight?" "Yep". "Cleared for a visual, contact tower." There was only ONE other aircraft over NY at that time, a police helicopter over the east river at 500. That day, WE owned the sky over New York City, and it was frickin' weird.
During the end of COVID i got cleared through the bravo VFR through LAX at night and day without using any special flight rules etc was pretty wild too
Awesome story. I flew quite a few times THROUGH New York airspace in a C-182 at 3000 feet with no other traffic around. Normally, we always have to fly around NY airspace in such an aircraft. There were times we would call ATC just to see if the radio was still working, as we heard nobody else on frequency. Those were pretty amazing days.
I’ve launched out of LAX VFR before. Ended up getting a phone number, not because I had a violation. ATC was confused and didn’t know what to do with me. They wanted to rehash the flight from my perspective because some of the controllers made mistakes. They launched me squawking 1200!
1) NYC traffic 2) TSA security. 3) US customs. Both are international airports, so an international flyer wouldn't have to enter the US to take a connecting flight out of the country.
We had one particular commuter that would file a VFR flight plan for a bunch of its flights if the weather supported it. They were not tower-to-tower, they flew through multiple ARTCCs that way.
Pilot didn’t confuse the controllers. The controllers confused the controllers by not emphasizing that they were VFR when they passed the info on to the next person. VFR is very unusual at a large airport with crowded airspace, but it’s great for a short hop like this, saves time and money. I’ll bet the pax that were waiting for that airplane were glad they took the short route.
LGA as with all other NYC airports are clogged up. Its normal practice for them to require IFR filings due to their flow control programs. Some operators and GA have been gaming the system by departing VFR and getting IFR clearances to LGA enroute. This gets around ground delays and flow control but makes the airline delays longer. NY center has been cracking down on VFR departures to their busiest airports and thats why the controllers seemed so surprised. LGA is normally on some kind of flow or traffic management program.
Maybe a dumb question, from a VFR pilot, but how can they fly on a "route number" when they don't have a flightplan and make it as a VFR flight, why don't they just use the registration then? 🙂
I love it! The RJ pilots are usually really fresh with all the FARs and rules plus all their training, check rides, ground school, etc. This guy thought outside the box. 👍 VFR isn’t just for 172s 🤷🏻♂️😂
I believe once when a Caribbean island lost telephone communications with Miami Center, we departed VFR and once at like 6,000 got our clearance when we spoke to Miami Center . In an Airbus, but like 20 years ago.
Several years ago I was working as a test pilot for a company modifying Boeing aircraft. We leased a 767 from Delta in support of a contract requiring a test flight upon completion. Delta supplied a Captain to fly with me. Prior to the pre flight brief the Delta Captain requested I file the flight plan and fly the test. He admitted that he had neither filed a flight plan nor conducted a departure and flight under VFR rules in over 20 years.
Airline pilots dont file their own flight plans when on the job. VFR flights are also very unusual. Unless the guy flew as a hobby in his own time, its not unusual for an airline pilot to go a long time without filing their own flight plan or flying VFR.
Grossly (and this really is grossly) simplified: VFR (Visual Flight Rules) means: The pilot navigates on his own and flies wherever he wants to go. The opposite is IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) where the pilot files a flight plan and flies according to this plan. New York is a crowded air space, so normally they fly IFR, meaning the controllers oversee the airspace and coordinate the planes according to their files flight plans. As said: This is grossly oversimplified.
This is NOT too rare. Long Beach Airport (KLGB) near LAX does this on occasion. Complete with vectors (non-radar while within the Delta surface area), to restrictions, handoffs to SoCal TRACON and then with radar vectors outside of the Delta. All while the jets or turbo props are under VFR and no filed IFR flight plan. I’ve done it numerous times.
Because they were still going to be in Class B, and the controllers need to have positive ID on him. Flight following was not an option, essentially required in Class B. No pax on board so VFR was legal.
Endeavor 5578 cleared to LGA via vectors Van Wyck Expressway / Grand Central Parkway. Expect Visual RWY 31 approach. Climb and maintain 3000.. Departure Frequency 135.9. Squawk 0332. Reply
Dude has to work on his comms lol. Clear, concise, correct. Lot of “umms” “ahhs” and asking for things like three times. Not to mention how much time would be saved just telling departure “climbing 3,000, VFR to the west inbound LaGuardia…” I know I know, I’m being a bit of an asshole. Ultimately better to have perfect clarity than say the right thing and have ambiguity. Thing is, the “right thing” to say and how to say it is usually so since it avoids ambiguity or clogging up the comms, and of course the most important rules in aviation are to look cool and sound cool…
@Jump-n-smash think what was special is that a major airport normally only does IFR since VFR are typically non-commercial planes (small planes) and smaller airports/fields.
For the larger jets, especially commercial flights, you file a flight plan and fly IFR. But sometimes filing flight plans takes a while, and since this jet was only going to LaGuardia, they decided to just fly VFR. That way it's faster. The "special" part is simply that it's not common for flights out of airports that handle large airliners to have a flight under VFR.
I used to watch a plane repo show and things always seemed odd in that business! They always had to file a flight plan though if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, that was a while back. Maybe some official wanted that plane off of and out of JFK property?
I heard him say Repo Flight as well, but I think he was referring to a repositioned flight, moving the aircraft from JFK to LGA for a future flight. That plane repo show was interesting to watch too!!
No betting required. They said right at the start that it was a repo flight. There would normally be a flight plan, though. Something just went wrong with the paperwork and they didn't want to wait for it to get fixed.
@@thomasdalton1508 except this is all purely electronic, a PDC is issued by a traffic controller after having received the flight plan (e-filed by the airline) and approved it
If it's a nice day, fly vfr on these short flights. Really shouldn't be that big of a deal. I don't know rather to laugh over ATC or be upset do to the obvious lack of training on Vfr to vfr.
JFK to LGA??! That's the real boggle. Once you factor in airport wait and lpad times, you can probably drive that faster (and cheaper). I'm assuming they're just moving a plane?
@@rudiklein YOU made it seem like you thought it was the other kind of 'repo' so your snarky comment and more so your foul language can be considered uncalled for.
People like to say Jay is guilty because he is fighting back. I would like to remind you that if you was accused of raping a child you would probably react the same way. JayZ should fight back with all he have because its disgusting this guy who is trying to cash in off the diddy situation he going after Jay because they know Jay and Diddy are close. I would also point out that people can act a certain way when they are out and about and be come a totally different person behind close doors how many of you can say you know your friends 💯
Not weird. A clearance to enter Class B airspace is not required if the airplane is departing from an airport located within Class B airspace. When an aircraft is departing from an airport within Class B airspace, it is already considered to be in the airspace and is typically in communication with Air Traffic Control (ATC). However, depending on the specific departure procedure and route, the pilot may be required to maintain communication with ATC and follow specific instructions to transition through or out of the Class B airspace. In general, as long as the aircraft is departing from a controlled airport within Class B airspace, ATC will provide instructions, and clearance to enter Class B airspace is not required at the moment of departure. After departure, if the aircraft needs to enter another part of the Class B airspace or fly through it, the pilot will need to be in communication with ATC and follow any further clearances and instructions that are given.
@@smark1180if you’ve ever departed out of a Class B Vfr though, they’ll state “cleared out of the bravo”. Two way radio comms is never enough to just be in the bravo
@@jakeoesterreich8037 "Two way radio comms is never enough to just be in the bravo" I have no idea what that means. Furthermore, your comment implies that ATC will always say "cleared out of the bravo," which may not be universally true. While the phrase is commonly used, ATC might use different phrasing depending on the circumstances, such as "you are clear of the Bravo," or simply give instructions like "proceed VFR" after the aircraft is no longer in Class B airspace. This clearance is the confirmation that the pilot is free to continue their flight outside the restrictions of Class B airspace. ATC might provide further instructions or require the pilot to remain in contact while transitioning to other airspace. Regardless, none of this is relevant to my reply to the OP.
Me think a visit with Chief Pilot, Delta Airlines is diffinitly in the cards....an intense review of petformance and of past check ride evaluations to determine continued employment is apt. It would of only taken ops a moment or two to refile. The stunned reactions of Departure & Tower to the legal but highly unorthodox VFR flight displays reason enough.
why? No passengers. He was flying 11 miles. What's the problem? Just because departure and tower are confused, the pilot needs to be investigated? Come on.
@@dq9275 There are no Commercial pilots flying for Endeavor, nor for any Part 121 carrier in the USA. Even if they were operating under Part 91 they are not Commercial pilots.
@@CanyonBlue737Captyea I get it man but to act like the title saying commercial pilots instead of atp pilot is going to make a difference.. it’s not. Just enjoy the video without the “well technically”
@@thomasdalton1508 Wait, let me guess....you use the term "commercial airline pilot" too, right? Tell us you don't know anything about air carrier operations without telling us you don't know anything about air carrier operations. If by "Commercial operation" you mean the minivan groundling, office cubicle definition of "people give them money for their services" then you're correct. But correct only in the most minivan groundling of ways. Go minivan clickity-click on their website and see what they require for pilot certificates. Now go clickity-click on Google and see what their Operating Certificate from the FAA says. (hint...no where does it say "Commercial") But by all means, tell us more about how a Part 121 air carrier is a "Commercial" operator. Maybe your local banner tower and crop dusting operators took Endeavor's operating certificate? You minivan groundlings are so silly.
I'm surprised the pilot remained calm in a situation where urgency is important, given the need for discretion for that type of flight. I would've probably said "recovery flight" instead of "repo." I wonder how long it took them to track down the jet.
What are you talking about? Repo is short for reposition, it means they are flying without passengers, which in turn means they are allowed to fly VFR instead of IFR.
You’re misunderstanding. It’s not a repossession flight. It was a repositioning flight. Meaning it was just the pilots taking the plane from JFK to LGA because that’s where it was needed. I can see how that’s mistaken tho, the pilot said “repo flight”, and to most of us repossession is what comes to mind….even myself as a controller.
@@JamesAMG imnot a native and understand nothing about aviation. Why are some people mistaking this as a repossession flight and, if that was the case, why would it be scary (or at least weird)? To be quite honest, what is a "repossession flight"?
"Can we just sort of, fly there?"
Apparently, yes.
This lol
@@thatairplaneguy Top answer lol
Lol
You'd think they could just give him a bit of hush because he might have other things to do. Like fly the plane. You almost need a social secretary to deal with this.
He should have requested a few touch and go just to really mess with them on arrival
“Endeavor 5578 cleared for the option.”
Hahaha…la guardia tower, endeavor 5578 requesting pattern work.
"think this thing can do a barrel roll?'
Hilarious
Funniest thing I've read all day.
Ground: You're gonna have to contact company and refile your flight plans.
EDV5578: I'M JUST GOING ACROSS THE STREET!
Back in 2020 I did a ferry/reposition from Teterboro to La Guardia in a Citation. We took off to the south and as soon as we got on NY Approach, we got a left turn to the east, straight over Newark. I was in the left seat, but I was not the pilot flying. So, I was busy and "heads-down" with checklist duties and programming. Suddenly, my partner says, "MARC, look outside!" We were directly over the southern tip of Manhatten, at 2000 feet, and no traffic in the sky! This was the peak of the Covid! I took a quick picture of lower Manhatten and went back to work. To look at the picture now it's weird because it's a GREAT picture, but there's no cars on the streets!
ATC says, "you guys got LGA in sight?"
"Yep".
"Cleared for a visual, contact tower."
There was only ONE other aircraft over NY at that time, a police helicopter over the east river at 500. That day, WE owned the sky over New York City, and it was frickin' weird.
Do you have this picture posted anywhere?
Oooooooohhhhh.!!!!!!😮
During the end of COVID i got cleared through the bravo VFR through LAX at night and day without using any special flight rules etc was pretty wild too
Awesome story. I flew quite a few times THROUGH New York airspace in a C-182 at 3000 feet with no other traffic around. Normally, we always have to fly around NY airspace in such an aircraft. There were times we would call ATC just to see if the radio was still working, as we heard nobody else on frequency. Those were pretty amazing days.
Would love to see the pic
Love the little chuckle the pilot does when saying "we are VFR" at 3:51
"New York Departure, Endeavor 5578... can we get VFR flight following?" 😆
I’ve launched out of LAX VFR before. Ended up getting a phone number, not because I had a violation. ATC was confused and didn’t know what to do with me. They wanted to rehash the flight from my perspective because some of the controllers made mistakes. They launched me squawking 1200!
Why didn’t they simply request (a) taxi to La Guardia?
Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!. Demand one of those quirky little British jobs. Ask if it can fly like the car in the J.K. Rowling stories. Who needs wings?
Tell me you’ve never seen the traffic on the Van Wyck without telling me 😂
"Endeavor 5578, taxi LGA terminal via Belt Parkway, Grand Central Parkway, Brooklyn-Queens Expressway, remain this frequency"
Where do you stick the EZ Pass?
1) NYC traffic
2) TSA security.
3) US customs. Both are international airports, so an international flyer wouldn't have to enter the US to take a connecting flight out of the country.
Never happened to this atc controller perhaps, but VFR tower to tower used to be a common practice.
I dispatch for Flexjet and I can say in the part 135/91k world it is a completely normal everyday occurance, although we do prefer IFR.
Juan! You are the man!
I used to fly VFR and an ATR 42, and 72 all the time down the Hudson into Newark for Continental Express
We had one particular commuter that would file a VFR flight plan for a bunch of its flights if the weather supported it. They were not tower-to-tower, they flew through multiple ARTCCs that way.
Cue the guitar music
Pilot didn’t confuse the controllers. The controllers confused the controllers by not emphasizing that they were VFR when they passed the info on to the next person. VFR is very unusual at a large airport with crowded airspace, but it’s great for a short hop like this, saves time and money. I’ll bet the pax that were waiting for that airplane were glad they took the short route.
No it was an aircraft reposition , not repossession. They move aircraft to different airport for revenue flight without pax.
@@akmguru1062 Re-read the comment...
It's great to see everyone willing to be creatively practical to get the job done with the least fuss!
took longer to get clearance to TO than the whole flight lol
The shortest the flight, the harder it is
Perfect example of you miss all the shots you don’t take. Good thing he asked!
is this from a few years ago? I recall a similar video from a few years back
📌Description: 09/AUG/2019
Reposition(VFR) flight from JFK to LGA by Endeavor CRJ-200.
Where'd you find that? No date in the description.
I thought I already heard this one awhile back. Thanks.
Nice my brother 🛩️
Delta's shortest flight is Nantucket to Hyannis. I think it's 7 minutes. I used to fly it all the time back in the '80's.
They don't do that anymore. Only cape air does that
Disappointed to learn that “repo” wasn’t short for “repossession.” Lack of urgency on the part of the pilot makes sense now
Fly it like you stole it.
I thought it was reposition
Should've gone for the 10year finance 😂
Reposition lol
Think this thing can do a barrel roll?
Vibe of flyboy on the radio calls is totally 'we're good with taking our sweeeeet time'
@1:46 "It looks like they're gonna actually let you do this [laughs]; this has never happened."
This has "there's nothing in the rules that says a dog can't play basketball" energy to it
I have been cleared right across LaGuardia and JFK several times VFR at 5500' - still always surprises me.
I once flew VFR from State College, PA to Teterboro, NJ in a Lear 35. That was fun, the controllers were similarly confused.
Why were they confused?
In this day and age, this is like going to the toilet without your phone...it is actually doable people but wierd
I never got in the habit: convinced I would drop it on the bowl.
LGA as with all other NYC airports are clogged up. Its normal practice for them to require IFR filings due to their flow control programs. Some operators and GA have been gaming the system by departing VFR and getting IFR clearances to LGA enroute. This gets around ground delays and flow control but makes the airline delays longer. NY center has been cracking down on VFR departures to their busiest airports and thats why the controllers seemed so surprised. LGA is normally on some kind of flow or traffic management program.
For completeness, it would be nice to get a date on this event.
It's been a few years. This is an old one.
09/AUG/2019
@@BenjyCohen 🤟
Maybe a dumb question, from a VFR pilot, but how can they fly on a "route number" when they don't have a flightplan and make it as a VFR flight, why don't they just use the registration then? 🙂
I was flying one day and heard an American Eagle take off from Roanoke to Dulles. VFR, and got flight following at 9,000 feet.
IS it the video or did he turn from assigned runway heading on his own on initial takeoff?
The video and the audio are probably out of sync
I love it! The RJ pilots are usually really fresh with all the FARs and rules plus all their training, check rides, ground school, etc. This guy thought outside the box. 👍
VFR isn’t just for 172s 🤷🏻♂️😂
I believe once when a Caribbean island lost telephone communications with Miami Center, we departed VFR and once at like 6,000 got our clearance when we spoke to Miami Center . In an Airbus, but like 20 years ago.
did he say repo as in repossession?
👏a courageous decision trying to go without babysitting (almost since they didn’t let you squawk 1200 😂)
... Only because he was in Bravo airspace.
@@adb012 Good thing he was cleared or was it implicit since he was already in Bravo airspace
@@lemd49 Didn't I hear the controller clear him into the bravo?
To clarify, this HAS happened between JFK and LGA, obviously not very common and requires certain conditions. Still, very cool.
Love how this channel just recycles stuff from YEARS AGO to keep the vids rolling....
Several years ago I was working as a test pilot for a company modifying Boeing aircraft. We leased a 767 from Delta in support of a contract requiring a test flight upon completion. Delta supplied a Captain to fly with me. Prior to the pre flight brief the Delta Captain requested I file the flight plan and fly the test. He admitted that he had neither filed a flight plan nor conducted a departure and flight under VFR rules in over 20 years.
..... other than simulator.
Airline pilots dont file their own flight plans when on the job. VFR flights are also very unusual. Unless the guy flew as a hobby in his own time, its not unusual for an airline pilot to go a long time without filing their own flight plan or flying VFR.
Cleared into bravo. Too late for that buddy.
OMG This is gold. Now I gotta go looking for the comms on the other end at LGA.
Had something similar out of Teterboro. Got PDC and ground had nothing on it. Something's up with PDC.
Was Endeavor 5578 flying VFR ?
I was about to ask the same
"sir, do you have an instructor onboard?"
In this case, I think it wouldn't be uncalled for for the pilot to say, "Sir/ma'am, do you have a supervisor nearby?"
Can someone clarify the situation for me here ? I'm still learning so I'd like to understand what's unusual
Grossly (and this really is grossly) simplified: VFR (Visual Flight Rules) means: The pilot navigates on his own and flies wherever he wants to go.
The opposite is IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) where the pilot files a flight plan and flies according to this plan.
New York is a crowded air space, so normally they fly IFR, meaning the controllers oversee the airspace and coordinate the planes according to their files flight plans.
As said: This is grossly oversimplified.
Surprised they're allowed to do this in their Ops Specs
I was at 9E when this happened and if I recall, this caused a bit of a stir…
That is one confusing runway heading!
I remember a VFR repo flight from a number of years ago
This is NOT too rare. Long Beach Airport (KLGB) near LAX does this on occasion. Complete with vectors (non-radar while within the Delta surface area), to restrictions, handoffs to SoCal TRACON and then with radar vectors outside of the Delta. All while the jets or turbo props are under VFR and no filed IFR flight plan. I’ve done it numerous times.
Me on Vatsim requesting shortcuts. Never thought someone would do it in real life.
That didnt look like rwy heading?
We’re going to “let you depart VFR”? Ha!
an RNAV or ILS approach VFR would really confuse them.
Brilliant!
what was the Plain 747 ???
No, I believe it had some logos on it...
@ScottiStudios 🧑🏿👍🏿
Student pilot here. Why wasn't Endeavor told to squawk 1200?
Because they were still going to be in Class B, and the controllers need to have positive ID on him. Flight following was not an option, essentially required in Class B. No pax on board so VFR was legal.
Even when I fly helicopter vfr, I will flight follow (if my altitude allows reception) and will get a discrete transponder code
Did they not seen it before there was a video last year from the same UA-cam site where they did the same exact thing
This is the same event, they’re just uploading old content
Could have cleared a lot of confusion with the controllers if he used his tail number instead of Part 91 callsign.
Couldn’t they just have taxied there?😂
I once had a Mig29 go vfr at 1500ft 😁
All the USMC infintrymen had their ears perk up at the sqwak code.
Haha
Why?
All infantryman jobs in the Marine Corps fall within the 03XX range. 0332 more specifically is a machine gun position.@@retiredatc8720
I mean rules are rules so VFR for this flight made the most sense lol
Endeavor 5578 cleared to LGA via vectors Van Wyck Expressway / Grand Central Parkway. Expect Visual RWY 31 approach. Climb and maintain 3000.. Departure Frequency 135.9. Squawk 0332.
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VFR is the most obvious way to fly. This guy is off the leash
Just a little jaunt. Couple rights, couple lefts.
Must be quite cool to do a VFR hop in a mainliner jet in this area. Good practice anyway.
And on VATSIM they would have refused any VFR flight ;P
Burned more carlories than fuel this time
This happened years ago
Dude has to work on his comms lol. Clear, concise, correct. Lot of “umms” “ahhs” and asking for things like three times. Not to mention how much time would be saved just telling departure “climbing 3,000, VFR to the west inbound LaGuardia…”
I know I know, I’m being a bit of an asshole. Ultimately better to have perfect clarity than say the right thing and have ambiguity. Thing is, the “right thing” to say and how to say it is usually so since it avoids ambiguity or clogging up the comms, and of course the most important rules in aviation are to look cool and sound cool…
Happens all the time.
Not sure if I wasn’t paying attention enough, but I don’t understand what happened.
So there was no flight plane and the plan and had to go VFR to La Guardia. Ok… what’s so special about this?
@@Jump-n-smash Commercial airliners in the NY airspace never fly VFR, so it's unusual for the controllers to see that.
@Jump-n-smash think what was special is that a major airport normally only does IFR since VFR are typically non-commercial planes (small planes) and smaller airports/fields.
For the larger jets, especially commercial flights, you file a flight plan and fly IFR. But sometimes filing flight plans takes a while, and since this jet was only going to LaGuardia, they decided to just fly VFR. That way it's faster. The "special" part is simply that it's not common for flights out of airports that handle large airliners to have a flight under VFR.
Disappointed to learn that “repo” was not short for “repossession”. Now the lack of urgency on the pilot’s part makes more sense.
whats so strange about them fly vfr?
I used to watch a plane repo show and things always seemed odd in that business! They always had to file a flight plan though if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, that was a while back. Maybe some official wanted that plane off of and out of JFK property?
I heard him say Repo Flight as well, but I think he was referring to a repositioned flight, moving the aircraft from JFK to LGA for a future flight. That plane repo show was interesting to watch too!!
I think in this instance they mean a repositioning flight rather than a reposession
If you're talking about Airplane Repo, that show is fake as hell.
@@KingInky13 Everything about that show seemed staged. It was like a reproduction.
This is a repositioning flight, not a repossession
Is this ai audio?
Fine if your Ops.spec allows, but at least get your callsign right who are you? Skywest? Endeavor? Good lord, please pick one and be consistent.
I'll bet it was a non-revenue reposition hop with only crew aboard, hence no flight plan on file.
No betting required. They said right at the start that it was a repo flight. There would normally be a flight plan, though. Something just went wrong with the paperwork and they didn't want to wait for it to get fixed.
the pilots said they had a PDC (Pre-Departure Clearance) so that does make the whole situation quite a bit more mysterious
@@MatthijsvanDuin There is nothing mysterious. Some paperwork got lost. It happens.
@@thomasdalton1508 except this is all purely electronic, a PDC is issued by a traffic controller after having received the flight plan (e-filed by the airline) and approved it
@@MatthijsvanDuin "Paperwork" is a figure of speech. It doesn't need to be actual paper!
It shouldn’t be that abnormal
Pilot sounds half asleep .
just very relaxed
but are you VFR?
If it's a nice day, fly vfr on these short flights. Really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
I don't know rather to laugh over ATC or be upset do to the obvious lack of training on Vfr to vfr.
Could've gone by barge
JFK to LGA??! That's the real boggle. Once you factor in airport wait and lpad times, you can probably drive that faster (and cheaper).
I'm assuming they're just moving a plane?
probably
they said it was a repo (repositioning) flight
It was a repo flight. I picture some other pilot chasing the plane on the tarmac. 😂
Reposition not repossession
@CKM1109 No shit, Sherlock.
@@rudiklein YOU made it seem like you thought it was the other kind of 'repo' so your snarky comment and more so your foul language can be considered uncalled for.
I thought this was against all airline SOPs
He's more the likely using the wrong flight number.
I was thinking the same. Wondered why atc didn’t ask them the squeak on their pdc.
This is old.
Whut
Repo flight? How embarrassing.
Repo = Reposition, not repossession. I just did one from a major airport to a maintenance base; they're fairly common in the airline industry.
@@dannenp3110 gotcha
They are talking so fast, when will the FAA put a stop to this madness
People like to say Jay is guilty because he is fighting back. I would like to remind you that if you was accused of raping a child you would probably react the same way. JayZ should fight back with all he have because its disgusting this guy who is trying to cash in off the diddy situation he going after Jay because they know Jay and Diddy are close. I would also point out that people can act a certain way when they are out and about and be come a totally different person behind close doors how many of you can say you know your friends 💯
😂😂😂😂😂
What has this to do with the flight ✈️🛫 😂
@@Palmstreet-u7x Potentially commenting on a vid from a different browser tab...or maybe an ad or smth
@@wildgurgs3614 i know how it happened, has happened to me before
Very weird that TWR never gave a class B clearance in the departure call
Not weird.
A clearance to enter Class B airspace is not required if the airplane is departing from an airport located within Class B airspace.
When an aircraft is departing from an airport within Class B airspace, it is already considered to be in the airspace and is typically in communication with Air Traffic Control (ATC). However, depending on the specific departure procedure and route, the pilot may be required to maintain communication with ATC and follow specific instructions to transition through or out of the Class B airspace. In general, as long as the aircraft is departing from a controlled airport within Class B airspace, ATC will provide instructions, and clearance to enter Class B airspace is not required at the moment of departure.
After departure, if the aircraft needs to enter another part of the Class B airspace or fly through it, the pilot will need to be in communication with ATC and follow any further clearances and instructions that are given.
@@smark1180if you’ve ever departed out of a Class B Vfr though, they’ll state “cleared out of the bravo”. Two way radio comms is never enough to just be in the bravo
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"Two way radio comms is never enough to just be in the bravo"
I have no idea what that means.
Furthermore, your comment implies that ATC will always say "cleared out of the bravo," which may not be universally true. While the phrase is commonly used, ATC might use different phrasing depending on the circumstances, such as "you are clear of the Bravo," or simply give instructions like "proceed VFR" after the aircraft is no longer in Class B airspace. This clearance is the confirmation that the pilot is free to continue their flight outside the restrictions of Class B airspace.
ATC might provide further instructions or require the pilot to remain in contact while transitioning to other airspace.
Regardless, none of this is relevant to my reply to the OP.
Me think a visit with Chief Pilot, Delta Airlines is diffinitly in the cards....an intense review of petformance and of past check ride evaluations to determine continued employment is apt. It would of only taken ops a moment or two to refile. The stunned reactions of Departure & Tower to the legal but highly unorthodox VFR flight displays reason enough.
why? No passengers. He was flying 11 miles. What's the problem? Just because departure and tower are confused, the pilot needs to be investigated? Come on.
They weren't Commercial pilots, they were Airline pilots. Big difference.
Not really.. they were acting as commercial pilots during this repo flight anyway.
@@dq9275 There are no Commercial pilots flying for Endeavor, nor for any Part 121 carrier in the USA. Even if they were operating under Part 91 they are not Commercial pilots.
@@CanyonBlue737Captyea I get it man but to act like the title saying commercial pilots instead of atp pilot is going to make a difference.. it’s not. Just enjoy the video without the “well technically”
@@CanyonBlue737Capt I'm pretty sure Endeavour is a commercial operation...
@@thomasdalton1508 Wait, let me guess....you use the term "commercial airline pilot" too, right? Tell us you don't know anything about air carrier operations without telling us you don't know anything about air carrier operations. If by "Commercial operation" you mean the minivan groundling, office cubicle definition of "people give them money for their services" then you're correct. But correct only in the most minivan groundling of ways. Go minivan clickity-click on their website and see what they require for pilot certificates. Now go clickity-click on Google and see what their Operating Certificate from the FAA says. (hint...no where does it say "Commercial") But by all means, tell us more about how a Part 121 air carrier is a "Commercial" operator. Maybe your local banner tower and crop dusting operators took Endeavor's operating certificate? You minivan groundlings are so silly.
I'm surprised the pilot remained calm in a situation where urgency is important, given the need for discretion for that type of flight. I would've probably said "recovery flight" instead of "repo." I wonder how long it took them to track down the jet.
What are you talking about? Repo is short for reposition, it means they are flying without passengers, which in turn means they are allowed to fly VFR instead of IFR.
@Laudian. I concur. I like what these guys do; it's quite entertaining to follow their processes and how they get things handled.
You’re misunderstanding. It’s not a repossession flight. It was a repositioning flight. Meaning it was just the pilots taking the plane from JFK to LGA because that’s where it was needed.
I can see how that’s mistaken tho, the pilot said “repo flight”, and to most of us repossession is what comes to mind….even myself as a controller.
lol "repo flight" is basically an industry standard for "ferry flight."
@@JamesAMG imnot a native and understand nothing about aviation. Why are some people mistaking this as a repossession flight and, if that was the case, why would it be scary (or at least weird)?
To be quite honest, what is a "repossession flight"?
Who??