I had earphones in and when you asked if the helmet made you look terrifying .. the yells scared the shit out of me. so yes.. good job. the helmet in fact works
Yes, there is a leather cradle inside for the top of my head, and a padded band all the way around my head at forehead-height. The angle around the eyes is not steep, so is little danger, and the shape strengthens the edge. If you shuffle along, you will trip over everything. You don't need to look down over perfectly flat land, but there isn't any perfectly flat land in Greece.
Looking at the helmet, I really did not have the picture of a Stormtrooper come to my mind. It reminded me more of the tip of a penis. Not that this hasn't been pointed out before, but the shape of the top - in conjuction with the contrast of colour with the lower section - really makes it...erm..."stand out. " :)
The style of cuirass I have came in in the later 6th century, well before the Peloponnesian War, and there are many vase paintings showing this style of cuirass paired with this style of helmet.
Mandalorian helmets are based off of hoplite helmets. Clone Army helmets are based off of Mandalorian helmets, and Imperial helmets are based off of Clone Army helmets.
***** I'm not talking about the new models of Mandalorian helmets, but the old ones, during the Sith-Republic wars. Fun fact: Senate Guard helmets are inspired from those old ones.
Possibly, although I find them a bit mysterious myself, and I would question the value of a video in which the presenter says "I don't know much about these, but aren't they a bit odd?"
I did "Classical Civilisation" advanced level, and it was made clear to those taking this course that Classical art is good, and Hellenistic art is not.
Regarding the limited vision of the helmet - I would think that would be what was wanted. Remember the men fought in a formation where moving forward in formation was the optimum. So only able to look forward through the helmet would have been ideal. Single combat where you need a wide range of vision was not how the Greeks fought. Also, not being able to look down (and thus see your dead comrades) would preserve your forward momentum and decrease the tendency of panic.
MarvelDcImage The inability to see where your stepping could easily lead to some people falling down in your formations when they trip over rocks or bodies.
j4m You would assume that but the Greeks would not have kept the design if that was so. It could be also how they marched - how the feet are raised and lowered that allowed for them not to trip. Again, if this was a problem the helmet would not have been used.
Yes, on viewing it back I see that I was a bit gentle, but a quick tap demonstrates a ring better than a firmly pressed-down wallop. Also I didn't want to scratch the paint-job.
The cuirass comes up as far as it can without threatening to choke you. Of course, there are other ways to extend it without just increasing the height of the front wall - you could have separate parts for the neck. Possibly the neck area was important for losing heat?
+Lone Wolf Cuirass has been a part of the english language for a long time. And besides, the way he pronounces it is an almost perfect anglicization of the french vowels.
That helmet would encourage you to bend at the hips and straighten your back to be able to see the best. Much like how an American football player would run. That’s a great position to create power for thrusting motions (like with a spear?) So you could see the best while in the best position to use the weapon of the soldiers the helmet was designed for. The Greeks were freaking smart man.
I'm not so sure about that. You still needed to hold the Aspis in the other hand. the Greeks did use an almost rugby like ruck in terms of their formation, supporting the man in front of you with your shield. There are also images of soldiers in the Phalanx formation marching into battle upright. I think that if the artists, who very well could have been soldiers at some point, would try to depcit the phalanx accuralty. there of course would be some aspect of couched pushing since that is how the body is the most powerful, but you would still need to keep your head upright.
Iron was better for weapons than bronze, but bronze had many advantages. Iron is harder, so an iron spearhead has an easier time piercing a bronze breastplate.
But the discussion already happens here, and UA-cam is ideal, is it it not, for reply videos? It seems to be a duplication, but I've never really worked out what Facebook is for.
Its does look like a penis..serious question, was that intentional? the reason I think it could be is cause, you know..Greeks...masculinity, manhood, fertility and all that seems like something ancient, pre christian modesty, cultures could feasibly incorporate into their battle gear..
The slanting surface makes it so that a falling blade doesn't get a solid hit against the head. Like slanted armor on tanks, it helps to deflect and disperse kinetic energy. Granted, Greeks had a hard on for... hard ons, but they also had a brain. As do you, so use it.
Well actually intense colors like black or red and shapes in the shields were a personal choice of each warrior and used as identification and intimidation. Some great warriors were known and their allies recocnised them and often the enemies feared them. Imagine listening stories about the achievements of a certain warrior and seeing him in front of you. If you were not brave enough you would hesitate and pick another enemy or turn to defence mode against that guy making his work easier.
From your description of the eye space situation I am reminded of the boxing posture wherein one tucks in the chin keeping it down thus both protecting the throat but also making the chin less of a target. I wonder if the helmet is designed for a particular posture, something like a chin-down look-up style allowing for lateral and advancing movements, using the cheek guards to maximum efficiency in protecting the throat and face and maintaining as many sightlines as the helmet will allow.
This is likely. When struck from above I imagine the natural tendency for men to tuck their heads downward would happen. It looks quite protective of the neck in this position.
I've seen a number of these Helmets with engraved inscriptions of the side that said everything from "I am blessed by Aries" to "I am going to kill you all" just a suggestion for decoration!
Ah, yes! Those're the ones! I fell in love with their design, when I was a kid and used to read a book on ancient armory my father had. It'd be awesome to see you covering those. I'm sure I'm not the only one absolutely fascinated by vandal style armor.
Please stay on youtube. I have a full fledged obsession with Lindy Hop dancing now thank you very much. Evita Arce and Alice Mei are absolutely addicting to watch. And the Lindy comps involving two couples are great too.
Thanks for the reply. Have you tried putting the helmet up in the way all the fashionable heroes did on the vases? I wonder how easy it would be to push it up and down and how well it would sit on your head like that.
The sutton ho I wore was hand forged by the guy who owned it, and is just all sorts of lovely. The vasalgarde was a bit big for me, and it was quite heavy compared to other helms. A simple goggle fits most periods and cultures.
Its interesting to see how well the helmet protects your throat. I remember reading once (the source escapes me) that the Spartans specialised in using their very short swords to cut the throats of enemy hoplites in the crush of a phalanx battle.
About the looking down thing, I suppose that's why you see so many statues and paintings etc depicting the helmet worn with the cheek guards sitting up on the top of the forehead, rather than down covering the face. Wear it 'properly' only when there is risk of enemy spears poking you.
Lindy, your great man and thats why i watch your productions ,this has to be one of the strangest helmets i seen you wearing. In fact, i laughed? its reminds me of something ..I cant say what but I think many men will understand me.. What do I know ..really strange
Thats a pretty good helmet design if you ask me. Ok visibility while keeping the soft vital things safe. Maybe it would be better if the eyeslit was widened a little and the nose peice extended?
I'm guessing that since they were originally cast bronze they worked out the best compromise for utility and material limitations through trial and error - and once they got it right didn't change it until materials improved.
Got one yesterday, cheap 18 gauge steel one, no liner so it does wobbly quite abit when on your head, but they were atleast kind enough to supply an arming cap free of charge
Turning one's head, yes, but tigermuppetcut was talking about tucking the chin, which boxers do, precisely to avoid neck injury. If you keep your head straight up and you get whacked in the face, that pushes the head backward and is very bad for your neck. By tilting your head forward a bit you help prevent this from happening.
Whenever we talk about helmets it always makes me giggle to learn how difficult it is to see down and imagining all these super elite armor clad warriors, soldiers, and knights... Constantly tripping and falling over eachother like a Benny Hill theme song
i have read about the phalanx being notoriously succeptible to rough terrain, and people getting trampled in battles, so the lack of downward visibility is a wonderfully welcome explanation
I wasn't alluding to a piece of armor, but to the shield and group based tactics they employed. Cheek plates that long just make me think of the helmet getting caught on the edge of a shield. The only time they would offer any protection is when you're out of formation or stance. What's your favorite shisha and smoke trick?
TheOmega277 The trend with hoplites was always to get lighter. As time progressed, they realized that a little les protection was more than offset by an increase in agility and better visibility. Hell, the Spartans got rid of the Corinthian helm in the mid-5th century BC and replaced it with the much simpler pylos helm.
they did not actually want soldiers looking down at the carnage too much. troops were expected to keep their eyes forward on the enemy, and simply trample on the fallen- even if it was your own men. much harder to stomp on your friend if you can see him crying in agony! They weren't dancing around- they were stomping. There is also a reason why closed/semi-closed face helmets are slightly away from the face (hence obstructing vision). One reason, is so you can actually get your head into it! even modern closed motorbike helmets keep the chin guard away from the face, and obstruct downward vision. it is a trade off.
Yes it is. One of the SCA fighters in my area has a helm like this one and many a time I have seen him with it resting on his head like a vase shows . His is a custom helm that he can slide right back onto his head and have the chin strap on at a moments notice.
I learned when I first got a helmet. I heard the ring put a thick padding in it. I use something they wouldn't have had cause I used a stirofoam padding in mine. but cotton and some fabric should do.
Hey lindy, do you wear something underneath the helmet, like a cap or something, to make it more comfortable? Also, the frame around the eyes appear to jut out and then curve inward significantly, would that not direct thrusts into your face? I remember when some mates and I tried moving in phalanx formation with shields, it was with small, shuffling steps. With comrades to help you stay upright, I didn't need to look down while moving. Not sure about achilles-tendonophobes on the ground though!
I would also have your opinion on the Norse spectacle helmet. As Björn Half-hand said. I think they look very threatening but I have never tested the vision of them.
I believe the reason you find the Corinthian helmet reminds you of a stormtrooper helmet is that the Corinthian helmet was a primary inspiration for mandalorian helmets, which were the basis for clone trooper armour and that was the predecessor to storm trooper armour
I was thinking about many of the points you made in this video over the last couple days and I had a thought about not seeing down very well. It was about the tactical mentality the hoplites had. The hoplites seemed more of a stand-your-ground and maintain formation type of fighter and advance in a more steady pace(usually) than the more 'barbaric' styles. Since you are moving slower you have time to watch ahead and during the fight stay in roughly the same area so needing down sight lessens
I would say the gap is less for vision and more so you can yell loudly and communicate with your formation. (Especially after watching you deafen yourself with your new helmet) BUT i also think that the area youre wanting to see is likely just shield if your close and unnecessary if you've got ~15ft of reach on your spear thrusts potentially at a distance. Alternatively, try and position yourself as if youre about to engage a target youll notice you'll hunch a little leaning forward giving you a slight tilt aswell to see most of the enemies body (so slightly looking up with the toughest/thickest part of the helmet facing your opponent. Awesome videos as usual :)
The length of the cheek-plates was also designed for discipline: To keep the soldier looking up and towards the enemy. Just like the old high, stiff collars of the Napoleonic Era were designed to keep soldiers from turning their heads but rather looking forward at the point of attack or the enemy. "Prepare to fire! Face front!" For a soldier then, what was happening on your flanks was NOT your business; only that which was in front of you.
Considering a Hoplite that looked down would probably only see his huge hoplon shield? I wonder whether looking down would have been very important. I do though think that seeing incoming blows to the front of the shield and up into the neck would have been important. Also consider how later helmets gave even less visibility. An armet or a salet for instance. Were they stepping over bodies? Does it perhaps say something about the nature of battles for the most part?
Something in response to what you were saying about the downward visual arc being restricted: Due to the long spears favoured by the Achaeans especially in Homer's texts, looking down wasn't really much of a concern to warriors. It seemed favourable to lower one's head, allowing the cheek-plates to lock with the top of the cuirass and create a second layer of bronze to one's shield to protect from incoming blows. Due to the long reach of the phalanx formation there was typically no need to look down. Though I admit that for menial tasks the helmet is somewhat of a hinderance.
Nice, the Sutton looks a little to exquisite for my taste. Those looks like ones for kings and Jarls. Ordinary Spangen helmets are maybe to simple but Vasalgarde and the Googled helmets look very good to me. I am pleased to hear that they offer good vision as well. That was what I was concerned about.
Interesting point about the sound being channeled back to your ears. Perhaps the ear holes in later helmets weren't just to improve hearing, but to also help prevent you deafening yourself in combat.
Lindy in 2013: says "I've rambled far too long as it is" at the end of a 6 minute video
Lindy in 2021: does an hour-long video about ladders
Was going to say something similar
The reservoir tip only comes in the Trojan model.
underrated comment.
Best comment, pants down. I mean hands down.
You're too naughty. Funny, though!
@Andrew Harper *groin
I had earphones in and when you asked if the helmet made you look terrifying .. the yells scared the shit out of me. so yes.. good job. the helmet in fact works
Same lmao
This is not a Greek helmet, it's a Jewish helmet. You can tell because it's clearly circumcised.
No. Not that shitposting comment... 0_0
@@sakeytoes Because it's a silly comment.
@@Einomar But the resemblance is there
Second best comment.
The Jewish never circomcitioned theyare helmets so where for are you communicating nonsensically?
Yes, there is a leather cradle inside for the top of my head, and a padded band all the way around my head at forehead-height. The angle around the eyes is not steep, so is little danger, and the shape strengthens the edge. If you shuffle along, you will trip over everything. You don't need to look down over perfectly flat land, but there isn't any perfectly flat land in Greece.
i agree
Between the phallic helmet and pronouncing cuirass as 'queer ass', really found myself stifling a giggle.
Getting stabbed in the cuirass is a regrettably common occurrence.
*stiffing
it was quarter to one in the morning and my volume was up at 0:45
+jabbathehutton RIP eardrums
quarter after 12 in the morning for me... Why am I watching UA-cam 4 hrs before work
+jabbathehutton Lol, the same.
+jabbathehutton same here! Then I heard outraged thumping on my floor........the neighbor's ceiling.........
rattinox hahahah!
Looking at the helmet, I really did not have the picture of a Stormtrooper come to my mind. It reminded me more of the tip of a penis. Not that this hasn't been pointed out before, but the shape of the top - in conjuction with the contrast of colour with the lower section - really makes it...erm..."stand out. " :)
Hans-Christian Bauer, it is more similar to Mandalorian and Clone Trooper armor, and was probably an inspiration for those.
stand up*
That "helmet" looks very phallic
My phallus looks very helmet
my hallmus looks very velvet
Well, there is some fact about phallus, ancient greeks believed that "phallus" brings protection from the bad spirits
@@wolfpackrogue3893 how?
@@andrij3078 Would you approach a man with his hose just hanging out in its battle pose?
The style of cuirass I have came in in the later 6th century, well before the Peloponnesian War, and there are many vase paintings showing this style of cuirass paired with this style of helmet.
Ah. Difficult to know how to react to this comment.
Wink nudge
Hmm
And please paint the top part of you helmet as well...
@Molon Labe I think he said paint
@Molon Labe I think you didn't see the SHAPE of the upper part of the helmet for Simon to make this comment
What are you pair on about? He didn't reply to Simon.
@@ROFT the unpainted helmet looks a bit like the head of a mans nob. Thats what they are on about.
@@john.harrison well obviously, but why mention Simon? Unless that's a euphemism for glans?
Mandalorian helmets are based off of hoplite helmets. Clone Army helmets are based off of Mandalorian helmets, and Imperial helmets are based off of Clone Army helmets.
***** I'm not talking about the new models of Mandalorian helmets, but the old ones, during the Sith-Republic wars. Fun fact: Senate Guard helmets are inspired from those old ones.
Those look even more-so like Barbutes, my dude.
That's what I was thinking as well.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 The Barbute was based on the Corinthian helmet during Italy's Classical Period Retro phase.
In-lore explanation perhaps, but I would assume in reality everything was designed off Ralph Mcquarrie's drawings.
Yes, it has a cradle on the inside for my head, and there are examples with this shape of cheek piece.
Possibly, although I find them a bit mysterious myself, and I would question the value of a video in which the presenter says "I don't know much about these, but aren't they a bit odd?"
It is accurate in shape. Indeed, many of the helmets had much narrower slits between the cheek pieces.
I did "Classical Civilisation" advanced level, and it was made clear to those taking this course that Classical art is good, and Hellenistic art is not.
I never thought of having a Lindybeige page. What would it be useful for that I can't do with my website?
Regarding the limited vision of the helmet - I would think that would be what was wanted. Remember the men fought in a formation where moving forward in formation was the optimum. So only able to look forward through the helmet would have been ideal. Single combat where you need a wide range of vision was not how the Greeks fought. Also, not being able to look down (and thus see your dead comrades) would preserve your forward momentum and decrease the tendency of panic.
You weren't paying attention. He can see side-side just fine. Every direction except down and immediately in front of him.
+megadeathx It is limited vision looking down and you don't want the hoplite looking in any direction other than forward I imagine.
MarvelDcImage The inability to see where your stepping could easily lead to some people falling down in your formations when they trip over rocks or bodies.
j4m You would assume that but the Greeks would not have kept the design if that was so. It could be also how they marched - how the feet are raised and lowered that allowed for them not to trip. Again, if this was a problem the helmet would not have been used.
MarvelDcImage Have you ever considered that they might not want to buy new, practical helmets for their entire army?
Yes, on viewing it back I see that I was a bit gentle, but a quick tap demonstrates a ring better than a firmly pressed-down wallop. Also I didn't want to scratch the paint-job.
Rip ears
You look freakishly like Meryn Trant from Game of Thrones.
The greatest swordsman who ever lived killed by Meryn fucking Trant?
MrJarth It was because Trant had armor. And a big fucking sword.
I wonder why.
Antidiocese Have some chicken...
dorsin174 actually he looks more like the main athens guy from 300
This is like, a war version of ashens
They are not similar at all but he reminds me of ashens
Athens
OHMYGODYES
Ray Noonan no...Ashens
@@Big_Loo Hes making a joke
@@Big_Loo it's. A. Joke.
Is it me, or does Lindybeige look quite a bit like Graham Chapman while in the helm?
Rest in peace in peace?
Now I can't get the image out of my mind
+Dax Garson YES! I was just coming to the comments to say that!!
+Dax Garson Oh my god!
Especially in a flat top.
0:50 dropped my phone :p
Terrifying! 0:45
00:50???? What happened?
The cuirass comes up as far as it can without threatening to choke you. Of course, there are other ways to extend it without just increasing the height of the front wall - you could have separate parts for the neck. Possibly the neck area was important for losing heat?
The Corinthian helm is my favorite helmet in history. I like the ones with the crest.
Nice helmet
nohomo
"queer ass". Internet Gold
+Patrick Moore Metatron was doing this for a long time. Killed me.
it should be cuh-ee-rass... stupid english people cant pronounce anything foreign
Lone Wolf Ker-is. With a southern twang. All else is wrong.
+Lone Wolf Miriam-Webster and Oxford dictionaries both say "Kwi-Rass", while Webster also accepts "Kyu-Rass". Your source?
+Lone Wolf Cuirass has been a part of the english language for a long time. And besides, the way he pronounces it is an almost perfect anglicization of the french vowels.
Vendel style? Watch this space?
Just found this channel by accident, and I'm rather impressed. I'm taking notes. Thanks, man!
That helmet would encourage you to bend at the hips and straighten your back to be able to see the best. Much like how an American football player would run.
That’s a great position to create power for thrusting motions (like with a spear?)
So you could see the best while in the best position to use the weapon of the soldiers the helmet was designed for. The Greeks were freaking smart man.
I'm not so sure about that. You still needed to hold the Aspis in the other hand. the Greeks did use an almost rugby like ruck in terms of their formation, supporting the man in front of you with your shield. There are also images of soldiers in the Phalanx formation marching into battle upright. I think that if the artists, who very well could have been soldiers at some point, would try to depcit the phalanx accuralty. there of course would be some aspect of couched pushing since that is how the body is the most powerful, but you would still need to keep your head upright.
Iron was better for weapons than bronze, but bronze had many advantages. Iron is harder, so an iron spearhead has an easier time piercing a bronze breastplate.
But the discussion already happens here, and UA-cam is ideal, is it it not, for reply videos? It seems to be a duplication, but I've never really worked out what Facebook is for.
Its does look like a penis..serious question, was that intentional? the reason I think it could be is cause, you know..Greeks...masculinity, manhood, fertility and all that seems like something ancient, pre christian modesty, cultures could feasibly incorporate into their battle gear..
The slanting surface makes it so that a falling blade doesn't get a solid hit against the head. Like slanted armor on tanks, it helps to deflect and disperse kinetic energy. Granted, Greeks had a hard on for... hard ons, but they also had a brain. As do you, so use it.
I get a steady trickle of comments like this. All I can say is that they sound fine and normal on my kit.
Fleshy colors... Bad choice ;)
@@SimonWoodburyForget the flesh tones make it look remarkably phallic.
Lmao simon u are really missing the point here. The helmet looks like a dick.
"I do look a bit like a star wars imperial trooper." No. You look literally like a bellend.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Your walls are skin colour??
Well actually intense colors like black or red and shapes in the shields were a personal choice of each warrior and used as identification and intimidation. Some great warriors were known and their allies recocnised them and often the enemies feared them. Imagine listening stories about the achievements of a certain warrior and seeing him in front of you. If you were not brave enough you would hesitate and pick another enemy or turn to defence mode against that guy making his work easier.
From your description of the eye space situation I am reminded of the boxing posture wherein one tucks in the chin keeping it down thus both protecting the throat but also making the chin less of a target. I wonder if the helmet is designed for a particular posture, something like a chin-down look-up style allowing for lateral and advancing movements, using the cheek guards to maximum efficiency in protecting the throat and face and maintaining as many sightlines as the helmet will allow.
This is likely. When struck from above I imagine the natural tendency for men to tuck their heads downward would happen. It looks quite protective of the neck in this position.
I've seen a number of these Helmets with engraved inscriptions of the side that said everything from "I am blessed by Aries" to "I am going to kill you all" just a suggestion for decoration!
Ah, yes! Those're the ones!
I fell in love with their design, when I was a kid and used to read a book on ancient armory my father had. It'd be awesome to see you covering those. I'm sure I'm not the only one absolutely fascinated by vandal style armor.
Don't fight any little people.
So you are saying don't fight Tyrion Lannister while wearing this helmet?
The greatest weakness of the Corinthian Army? ENEMY MIDGET ATTACK!
you wont need a helm against little people, they can't reach your head very easily if at all
Justin What if they come at you with a pointy stick?
A spear? well a helm won't do much good unless you have a visored medieval helmet on, this one has an opening .
I wouldn't do anything energetic with the helmet that way - mine would soon fall off - but it is a way to get some fresh air on your face.
Yes, my eyebrows are immediately behind the brows of the helmet.
Please stay on youtube. I have a full fledged obsession with Lindy Hop dancing now thank you very much. Evita Arce and Alice Mei are absolutely addicting to watch. And the Lindy comps involving two couples are great too.
I was wearing headphones when you shouted, is it normal I can't hear?!?
Thanks for the reply. Have you tried putting the helmet up in the way all the fashionable heroes did on the vases? I wonder how easy it would be to push it up and down and how well it would sit on your head like that.
It DOES look a bit like a bell end from the front, though. Was that intentional?
Nice quote from Mitch Hedberg at the end.
The sutton ho I wore was hand forged by the guy who owned it, and is just all sorts of lovely. The vasalgarde was a bit big for me, and it was quite heavy compared to other helms. A simple goggle fits most periods and cultures.
Its interesting to see how well the helmet protects your throat. I remember reading once (the source escapes me) that the Spartans specialised in using their very short swords to cut the throats of enemy hoplites in the crush of a phalanx battle.
This is like a educational bad lsd trip.
things that exist in the classical period in proffusion:
brambles
rocks
other things
Getting a Greek helmet from India? Is the Greco Bactrian kingdom back?
Some beating around the bush in the comments below.
Some later helmets had hinged cheek pieces that folded upwards.
About the looking down thing, I suppose that's why you see so many statues and paintings etc depicting the helmet worn with the cheek guards sitting up on the top of the forehead, rather than down covering the face. Wear it 'properly' only when there is risk of enemy spears poking you.
That and helmets of any sort that cover the majority of your head and face get hot.
like a welding helmet
I was always under the impression that the horse hair crest was to denote officer ranking.
Lloyd, you think that roaring sound effect might be a bit loud compared to the regular speaking volume, for those of us using headphones?
The Man From Earth commie facist
Lindy, your great man and thats why i watch your productions ,this has to be one of the strangest helmets i seen you wearing. In fact, i laughed? its reminds me of something ..I cant say what but I think many men will understand me.. What do I know ..really strange
Thats a pretty good helmet design if you ask me. Ok visibility while keeping the soft vital things safe. Maybe it would be better if the eyeslit was widened a little and the nose peice extended?
I'm guessing that since they were originally cast bronze they worked out the best compromise for utility and material limitations through trial and error - and once they got it right didn't change it until materials improved.
Got one yesterday, cheap 18 gauge steel one, no liner so it does wobbly quite abit when on your head, but they were atleast kind enough to supply an arming cap free of charge
The more you know: Birds see their beak, hoplites see a trapezium.
Turning one's head, yes, but tigermuppetcut was talking about tucking the chin, which boxers do, precisely to avoid neck injury. If you keep your head straight up and you get whacked in the face, that pushes the head backward and is very bad for your neck. By tilting your head forward a bit you help prevent this from happening.
lindy you know scary it is when that noise comes out
Whenever we talk about helmets it always makes me giggle to learn how difficult it is to see down and imagining all these super elite armor clad warriors, soldiers, and knights... Constantly tripping and falling over eachother like a Benny Hill theme song
The helmet makes him look worried.
i have read about the phalanx being notoriously succeptible to rough terrain, and people getting trampled in battles, so the lack of downward visibility is a wonderfully welcome explanation
Dammit, does that mean, that corinthian helmets wouldn't have been developed in a world with dwarves, halflings and gnomes?
Marvelous quotes of wisdom at the end!
He looks like Meryn Trant from Game of Thrones in that helmet
Terryn ment
In Brazil there is a soccer team called corinthians, with devoted fans, they would be confused with this.
Makes you wonder about the fighting style they were designed to protect against.
I wasn't alluding to a piece of armor, but to the shield and group based tactics they employed. Cheek plates that long just make me think of the helmet getting caught on the edge of a shield. The only time they would offer any protection is when you're out of formation or stance.
What's your favorite shisha and smoke trick?
why was this model of helmet abandoned? It seems like the perfect helmet
No visibility, or ability to hear. It was great protection, but very encumbering.
Helmets in the medieval era seem way worse though
Yeah, it surely has better visibility than the Medieval "full" helmets...
Also these look the most bad ass!
TheOmega277 The trend with hoplites was always to get lighter. As time progressed, they realized that a little les protection was more than offset by an increase in agility and better visibility. Hell, the Spartans got rid of the Corinthian helm in the mid-5th century BC and replaced it with the much simpler pylos helm.
anomaly P meaby because it looks like a penis
I love your videos. Thank you for making them and share with the world.
they did not actually want soldiers looking down at the carnage too much.
troops were expected to keep their eyes forward on the enemy, and simply trample on the fallen- even if it was your own men. much harder to stomp on your friend if you can see him crying in agony!
They weren't dancing around- they were stomping.
There is also a reason why closed/semi-closed face helmets are slightly away from the face (hence obstructing vision).
One reason, is so you can actually get your head into it!
even modern closed motorbike helmets keep the chin guard away from the face, and obstruct downward vision.
it is a trade off.
Yes it is. One of the SCA fighters in my area has a helm like this one and many a time I have seen him with it resting on his head like a vase shows . His is a custom helm that he can slide right back onto his head and have the chin strap on at a moments notice.
"Now if I look down I can bash myself with my 'queersass"
great vid and knowledge and dry british humor mixed perfectly...love your channel!
You look more like magneto on his wedding day than a stormtrooper imo.
I learned when I first got a helmet. I heard the ring put a thick padding in it. I use something they wouldn't have had cause I used a stirofoam padding in mine. but cotton and some fabric should do.
"...I do look a little bit like a Star Wars imperial stormtrooper." You're thinking of Boba Fett.
Hey lindy, do you wear something underneath the helmet, like a cap or something, to make it more comfortable? Also, the frame around the eyes appear to jut out and then curve inward significantly, would that not direct thrusts into your face? I remember when some mates and I tried moving in phalanx formation with shields, it was with small, shuffling steps. With comrades to help you stay upright, I didn't need to look down while moving. Not sure about achilles-tendonophobes on the ground though!
Damn, I spent $80 on a rubbish Corinthian helmet. At least it's still a good popcorn bowl for when the need arises though.
nah man use a ww2 brodie helmet. much better
@@danielc9826 kettle helmets are good for soup
i love the t visors on clone troopers. its just so cool
Fkin hell, 1:30 at night and that scream blew my ears and and my calmness if you know what i mean...
I would also have your opinion on the Norse spectacle helmet. As Björn Half-hand said. I think they look very threatening but I have never tested the vision of them.
I believe the reason you find the Corinthian helmet reminds you of a stormtrooper helmet is that the Corinthian helmet was a primary inspiration for mandalorian helmets, which were the basis for clone trooper armour and that was the predecessor to storm trooper armour
I was thinking about many of the points you made in this video over the last couple days and I had a thought about not seeing down very well. It was about the tactical mentality the hoplites had. The hoplites seemed more of a stand-your-ground and maintain formation type of fighter and advance in a more steady pace(usually) than the more 'barbaric' styles. Since you are moving slower you have time to watch ahead and during the fight stay in roughly the same area so needing down sight lessens
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I would say the gap is less for vision and more so you can yell loudly and communicate with your formation. (Especially after watching you deafen yourself with your new helmet)
BUT i also think that the area youre wanting to see is likely just shield if your close and unnecessary if you've got ~15ft of reach on your spear thrusts potentially at a distance.
Alternatively, try and position yourself as if youre about to engage a target youll notice you'll hunch a little leaning forward giving you a slight tilt aswell to see most of the enemies body (so slightly looking up with the toughest/thickest part of the helmet facing your opponent.
Awesome videos as usual :)
0:45 Wow! I didn't expect that. O_O
The length of the cheek-plates was also designed for discipline: To keep the soldier looking up and towards the enemy. Just like the old high, stiff collars of the Napoleonic Era were designed to keep soldiers from turning their heads but rather looking forward at the point of attack or the enemy. "Prepare to fire! Face front!" For a soldier then, what was happening on your flanks was NOT your business; only that which was in front of you.
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Considering a Hoplite that looked down would probably only see his huge hoplon shield? I wonder whether looking down would have been very important. I do though think that seeing incoming blows to the front of the shield and up into the neck would have been important. Also consider how later helmets gave even less visibility. An armet or a salet for instance. Were they stepping over bodies? Does it perhaps say something about the nature of battles for the most part?
I would never put that on my head... simply because it looks like a falace...
+Joonas Ahonen Phallus.
Something in response to what you were saying about the downward visual arc being restricted: Due to the long spears favoured by the Achaeans especially in Homer's texts, looking down wasn't really much of a concern to warriors. It seemed favourable to lower one's head, allowing the cheek-plates to lock with the top of the cuirass and create a second layer of bronze to one's shield to protect from incoming blows. Due to the long reach of the phalanx formation there was typically no need to look down. Though I admit that for menial tasks the helmet is somewhat of a hinderance.
My ears are bleeding now....
Nice, the Sutton looks a little to exquisite for my taste. Those looks like ones for kings and Jarls. Ordinary Spangen helmets are maybe to simple but Vasalgarde and the Googled helmets look very good to me. I am pleased to hear that they offer good vision as well. That was what I was concerned about.
please, stop that silly screaming
Interesting point about the sound being channeled back to your ears. Perhaps the ear holes in later helmets weren't just to improve hearing, but to also help prevent you deafening yourself in combat.