Can You Play A Game of Tetris... Forever?
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
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MORE TETRIS STRATS: tetris.wiki/Playing_forever
SHUEY187: • Tetris Demonstration -... - Ігри
Hey. Do me a solid and share this video with everyone on Earth.
Got it
Can I adapt this video to book form for the people without a screen?
Speech 100 i n t e n s i f i e s
Does the replication of earth on Minecraft count?
Best I can do is like, remain subscribed, and give you a compliment.
You're doing a great job. I greatly enjoying the variety of topics you cover on your channel.
Oh, i have this friend that is immortal and is faster than the speed of light. If you want to i can get him to test this out.
Or her... i am not sure how to find the gender of a glowing orb of light.... it keeps telling me that its a celestial being here to destroy earth but i gave it Mario odyssey and it keeps speed running it so I think we are fine.
Please send them this video!
Is their name tool assisted speedrun?
Ahh yes, Tool Assisted Speedrun. I think his nickname is TAS. TAS is _SUPER_ good at videogames for some reason, like better than anyone else!
@@thelemoadegd9144 He does need someone else to teach him everything though. Dude can't play a new game on his own.
Did the orb come from the hole?
I can imagine someone doing a "AI play Tetris Forever" Livestream
Chewable careful... that may be the gateway to SkyNet...
We should spam this video to Code Bullet
Have you ever seen that video where a machine learning AI that's programmed to do trial and error so it can eventually best any game, plays tetris? It ends up just pausing the game, indefinitely. Because the only way to "beat" tetris, is to not play. You'll otherwise always lose.
@@duffman18 The trial and error (bruteforce) AI of those videos is actually not what's being presented, but rather the AI that uses algorithms to find out what "winning" is.
The way it does it is by looking at the bytes of memory the game uses from a pre-recorded gameplay video, then tries to find out which bytes it should try to increase to get a better score.
The reason it gets stuck is because the pausing the game is a local maximum in terms of "points", and there's not really a good way for it to have one tile-structure give more points than another
Not a livestream, but Michael Birken has some videos on an AI that plays the NES version until it's impossible to play more. And also a tetris printer algorithm that "cheats" by looking into the future. I think both of those have no bagging though.
If there's interest for an AI playing tetris forever I could probably set up something like that, isn't too difficult to code tetris + an AI that follows an algorithm
So we need queen Elizabeth to play Tetris.
yes
Yep
sure why not
yup
no we need my uncle
0:14
If it's that easy to learn, how come 6 year old me thought that it was a building game? and tried to build a house? and got mad because the lines kept clearing?
Go to minecraft first
@@WishingWell24 No...can't be that...let's keep thinking
I feel that. I thought I was supposed to build to the top
meanwhike 6 year old vince started playing tetris and is now the fastest tetris player in the world
i thought you were supposed to build to the top as fast as you could and was confused why i always lost right as i got to the top of the screen
Alternate title: How to do the longest full clear set-up
this is now how i pc in competetive tetris
@@IDGs_space only if you wanna get a fuckton of garbage before the first clear :'^)))
@@IDGs_space not gonna work man
Theres a perfect clear with 1 bag but its luck
@@jknifgijdfui There's not. You'd need 2 O's in the first bag. There is a setup so you can PC with a like 74% chance with 10 Pieces +1 Hold though
Tetris is like life. Your successes disappear while your failures pile up.
I reported you for your underrated true comment. Thanks for reminding me my life.
This feels like you’re calling me out
Your score...
But by planning ahead you can avoid any long term failures and fix the problems that seem to be forced upon you
Did you get this from Death Battle?
I miss playing Tetris on an actual arcade cabinet. Man those were the good old days when college campuses had pool tables and multiple game cabinets. BTW, I think the longest I spent on a quarter on Tetris was like 2 hours ... it could have been longer but I had a class and handed my game off to another person, lol. Fond memories.
How has nobody commented on this?
Not sure about all of them, but my college has multiple arcade cabinets
Funny story I remembered: there's a shopping center near where I lived and me and my friends were going to the play area. There was lots of games but we usually played guitar hero. We took turns and we were doing really good and one of my friends started to play and he was going really good. People started to look at him play while standing behind and we were like "dude we're famous lol" when he finished and acted like everybody was watching him, he found out that they were just waiting for their turn.
@@dovahkitten9732 I mean you can still play it on normal too
@@imthesleepyskeleton5462 yeah but then you gotta pay
Once I saw a guy playing Tetris with invisible blocks
Agdq tetris the grand master presentation? That was one of my firsts as well
That's Tetris the Grandmaster 3 Terror Instinct. You gotta play through the credit roll with invisible pieces, then you can achieve the highest rank in the game.
@@Fat3Distr0 And to even get a chance at the invisible credit roll, you also gotta have full control over your pace during the entire main game, which already forces you to play at a stupid speed. And not only do you have to survive the invisible roll, you also gotta clear enough lines/tetrises to get the Grand Master grade. AND THEN when you get it actually you don't, because the account system requires you to get a promotional exam first which requires you to have at least 4 out of your last 7 runs being GM-worthy and then to do another GM-worthy run to actually pass the exam. Only after all of this you can get a shot at putting a GM run in the arcade machine's leaderboard.
TGM3 is for masochists with infinite determination to be kicked in the crotch.
@@mystral_fox Sprint with ghost is one thing, but now try that in 20g.
Also please realise that what you consider "not that hard" may be a lot harder for someone who doesn't have enough training to break 30s in sprint, let alone 60s, which is most people.
@@rastas_4221 I just feel like pointing out just the invisible part isn't enough to convey the stupid level of dedication you have to put in this is all
Austin is always asking the important questions that nobody else will.
I mean, he didn't discover this, I saw some videos from a few years ago talking about this strategy...
Jerod Wood This isn’t important nor is it the first time someone’s asked this question. I don’t know why he made this video
“This video really makes you FEEL like Tetris” - 9/10 IGN
"Preety good, too much blocks - 8/10"
Yael Feldman You’re nitpicking and biased I win bye bye.
SUPA MARIO BRUDDAH'S 2 BAYBEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mutanda Effiong Game of da year!
This is nothing compared to Knack 2
The short answer is that it depends:
Classic Tetris uses a “true random” sequence of pieces, meaning that eventually you’re guaranteed to get a sequence of S and Z (the objectively hardest to deal with) pieces that becomes impossible to deal with, resulting in a top-out.
In modern Tetris which uses the 7-bag randomiser, it’s trivial to continue forever since you are guaranteed a perfect clear every 10 pieces.
Even the classic games generally have measures to avoid having the player get the same piece multiple times in a row, but it still isn't deterministic and you can still get D96 O-pieces in a row if you use RNG manipulation in the NES version.
He does say that modern tetris uses the 7-bag system. He just called it random for some reason though.
Edit: classic tetris isn't 100% random either. It's more of a diceroll. However, if the game notices that you "rolled" the same peice again, it'll 're-roll' and give you that peice. Even if it's still the same. So not 100% random, it tries to not have lots of repeats.
Perfect clear every 10 pieces? I’m pretty sure that’s not possible in all circumstances.
@@CaboozledPie Actually it could be, just be Zetris and have the PC finder lol. But the normal setup and Grace system do not guarantee you to have a PC every 10 pieces.
@@CaboozledPie It's possible.
I love how he still managed to make a meaningful quote at the end
No because I’ll lose my mind to the music after playing for more then 3 hours
Heresy
NES Tetris song 3 is eternal
Play CD-i Tetris then
You can last 3 hours?
The beat is boppin though
Me: Oh look a video about tetris!
Austin McConnell: No matter what you do you will die someday, just reminding you!
Me: :(
Stop saying :(
@@veovanhpaliphasouk8171 Why?
@@veovanhpaliphasouk8171 :(
@@veovanhpaliphasouk8171 :( !
@@veovanhpaliphasouk8171 :(
Nice video to teach new players about the playing forever loop.
Though when I think about it, this kind of loops being possible in the modern official tetris variants contrasts with the proof of the game being literally impossible to play forever under a truly random and unrestricted piece sequence. There's a paper out there showing that it's impossible to survive a sequence of a few thousand S/Z pieces, and if we assume each piece is always as likely as any other to be picked at any time, eventually such a sequence will occur, forcing the game to end.
Neat example of how the changes that were made to the game affects its dynamic, in my opinion.
the master of wack setups commenting on a video about a wack setup? how incredibly in character of you
@@sisisit10 Hey I had to say something right
new players should be banned from seeing this video. They will only go out and try to do it themselves, getting frustrated that they max out because of garbage with their .5pps. The stack reaches up to 16 lines out of 20, so any simple attack or opener an opponent uses would send 4+ lines to max them out. Also, were you not paying attention to when he told u about modern tetris and the 7 bag rng?? that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to get 3 pieces in a row.. much less a series of thousands of s and z pieces. Now going back to the impossible 3 pieces in a row... if this occurs, sequences like abcbba could also happen, making the perfect clear impossible with keeping the pattern
@@donnguyen166 Alright so:
>"getting frustrated that they max out because of garbage"
The whole video is implying that you're playing in singleplayer. He's mentioning how the game gets faster over time, which to my knowledge in guideline VS games only happens in Tetris 99.
>"were you not paying attention when he told you about modern Tetris and 7-bag"
I did. I was just making a note to how there is also a mathematical proof that _without that very thing_ your game has to end at some point. Looks like you didn't pay attention to the conclusion of my comment.
>"new players should be banned from seeing this video"
If you're implying I'm a new player, I'll let you know that I've been making Tetris videos for the past 3 years or so.
I think that instead people like you should be banned from commenting without even trying to understand the point of neither the video nor the comment you're replying to.
Lilla Oshisaure lmaooo. dudes really called you a new player but any tetris player worth their salt knows your name and pfp by heart
Wow. I mean, we all spend Quarantine differently, but my god!
Austin is slowly turning into the next Vsauce
Yes, I am also perfectly content with this metamorphosis.
Lol no. Vsauce was amazing, this isn't that. Vsauce is still pretty good. Exurba1a maybe
I’d be severely disappointed if Vsause made a video this useless
*G O O D*
Exept a bootleg version.
Im gonna be honest, i have been trying this strategy for 40 minutes now, and its not really working that well. . . I mean imma spend another 3-20 hours trying to figure it out , but
Are you using the original NES version?
Are you using a modern version of Tetris, like you were told?
Are you immortal like the video said?
Lol that escalated quickly.
Because the math is off, in his video he somehow pulled out 2 O pieces and 2 L pieces out of thin air, after he talked about the balancing point, I made a comment about how the math is off you might not see it though
Nobody:
Absolutely no one:
AustinMcConnell: Just like Tetris, eventually we all die.
There is an tool assisted speedrun on youtube that goes on for 12 hours. It uses the NES version.
NES Tetris is the _ONE TRUE VERSION!_
@@connorking8503 lmao nes tetris isn't even the original version.
I bet whoever made that TAS got bored by then. And seeing what ridiculous amounts of time people put into TASing, that takes a lot lol
@oledakaajel What does that have to do with Connor’s statement? It’s like saying ‘Uh, actually I only play the true version of Minecraft, aka cave game.’
The NES does neither use a bag or a good randomised; it instead randomises the next block based on your input, meaning you can decide which the next block is with your inputs. Something a TAS would use.
Next video: Can you keep walking in Death Stranding forever?
How are you on like every channel I watch‽ I just don't understand
@@sheepgod887 he's just a youtube commenter. like owo or justin y.
Yes, it’s called playing the game.
I cu everywhere
Nah.
This specific solution would stop working once you hit 20G (moving to the bottom instantly) since you lose the ability to maneuver certain pieces to the right places, but is an interesting watch and a cool method regardless
currently though, all versions that has a marathon mode doesn't have 20G marathon so it's fine
oh, and swapping a left and center loops would fix that because naturally the left loop's higher in stack, so you can slide pieces around. That combined with pre-rotating pieces and having good movement would fix things perfectly.
Just make a rotation system that puts the piece high up in the air after rotating
That seems like a very you solution to the problem lol
@@Oshisaure oh hi oshi! There is another way to stack 'infinitely' even with 20g, its in the hard drop wiki
*“FERB I KNOW WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO TODAY”*
Lol underrated comment
@@eduardodionisiobenedetti8846 forever* not just today,fixed it for you
@@karmare4494 they are gonna create robots that will play Forever
Austin telling me things I didn't know I wanted to know again.
*Tragic Fact:* Alexey Pajitnov's son, Dmitri, died on a skiing accident back in 2017. Dmitri Pajitnov was the first year medical student at St. George's University and the member of the Heavenly Resort Ski Patrol on Lake Tahoe.
I absolutely adore Tetris. It’s in my personal top 10 favorite games ever. During my 9th grade finals, all I had available was my school-issued iPad to entertain myself during Geometry, where I had exempted the final exam. I played the same game of Tetris on that iPad for an hour and half without stopping, and it was some of the most fun I’ve ever had playing a video game.
Great video as usual! As our team's working on a puzzle game that uses a Tetris-like bag generation system, it was SUPER weird hearing the process explained by someone (since we explain it at our convention booths a lot)!
You can just tell from all the strats and analysis that this man has been playing tetris all day long since the quarantine began
Honestly I’ve been doing that, just looked at my statistics on the site I use, I’ve been playing Tetris for on average 21% of the day since the start of quarantine
@@bcunningham3718 What site ? Jstris, tetrio ?
he still only counter clockwise spins, so i doubt
hes gotta learn how to spin clockwise
*This* kind of stuff is what I subbed for lol. When the channel was refocused last year or so to be almost entirely about “creating" itself, I wasn't as interested. Now I'm right back into things. Don’t get me wrong, absolutely make vids about things you find interesting, that’s the beauty of it, but part of that beauty *is* the grab bag feeling that was lost for a while.
Preach!
Same, I'm happy I stuck around though :)
Same, I'm happy I stuck around though :)
THANKS AUSTIN!!! I appreciate you so much I need more things to keep me entertained. I LOVE YOUR VIDS. Keep making em.
Arguably, one of the most important parts of playing forever is the game having lock delay. Lock delay is the time it takes between your active piece hitting the ground, and it locking into place. If the game has no lock delay, the pieces will eventually get too fast to move effectively.
Either way, the speed has a hard cap of one frame per movement regardless
I love the randomness of your content! Keeps things fresh and interesting, as well as fascinating. Keep it up!
Another thing I'd love, is to see the CTWC guys try this out! That would be super cool!
Classic Tetris has more randomness, such that you're gonna get S and Z pieces inevitably.
"can you play a tetris game forever"
in this quarantine? *maybe*
Okay, but can someone make a follow up video with a TAS script? That would be the cherry on top.
Today on "things that I guess I kind of knew in the back of my head, but never really set in": "Real" Tetris only randomises a full set of pieces at a time.
“Tetris Forever” would be a good name for a Tetris game.
puyo puyo tetris 4 ever
Every time you make a video, i always walk away wanting to do something creative. Really nice for these months of quarantine
0:36 This would legit be a cool art style for a Tetris game (because God knows we need more of ’em!)
Wait.... does this mean infinite guaranteed perfect clears?
Also if you call them all clears, *i will look for you, I will find you, and I will corner you and kick you*
All clear is for Puyo Puyo
That's so cool he included jstris and tetr.io, which are notre very well none but deserve more attention
And the music in tetrio is super good. But I mean the music in jstrs is obviously better lol
@@myrmyxo lol
tspin quad
You know the saying: “You live playing ТЕТЯIS, you die playing TETЯIS.”
This is why I like classic Tetris with true random piece generator. Each game is unique and one can have long stretches without I piece
Big props for featuring a lot of the mainstream Tetris options out there!
Even including Nullpomino w/ Shuey's footage!
A really good speedrunner that runs about anything could do that, his name is TAS, I’ve never seen his face but he is everywhere
TAS couldn't do it since the order of the blocks is random.
@@Jonny2myren its not 100% random... were u not paying attention to the 7bag? Anyways, im slow AF in the tetris community with a 40l sprint of 51 somthing something seconds, and i could do this no problem indefinitely. you have to note this has nothing to do with speed or skill, but rather just by memorizing a few easy things
and wtf does tas have to do with this... He doesnt ~even play~ the game shown in the video. Tas plays classic tetris like nes, NOT modern tetrises. Nes tetris rng would work, cuz if u get a 3rd pieces in a row, or even a 3rd pieces before your 7th, ur finished
@@donnguyen166 That's not that bad, that's like 2.4 PPS
i'm getting very confused and frustrated. Right before the so called "flip point" you used four bags for the z,t,s combo and four bags for the o,L.The I piece only is presented as having two bags however, so in practice the middle column is way too high, causing the end of the flip point to be to way too high! Am i doing something wrong or is this method flawed?
It's his method, he placed the I J loop only once when it should be placed down twice
Thanks for the exsistential dread at the end there Austin!
but seriously great video, keep it up
Thanks for teaching me how Tetris block selection works. I made my own Tetris game and was wondering why it was so hard
Well boys I know what I am going to do until the Quarantine ends.
I am the man who arranges the cartridges that will bring me to the championship
I remember when I was little, playing one of the early versions, and I was surprised to find out that when you beat level 24, you went to level 24. The speed did not increase or anything, so I was able to beat level 24 several times in a row. I did not need the ability to swap my piece. That seems like cheating to me. I was not beaten by the end of my life, end of my free time, or lack of dexterity. I'm don't remember if it was an unlucky sequence of pieces or simple distraction that lead it to end.
Ah yes the _perfect player_
I was scrolling through my recommended and saw this video. Granted, I watch a ton of Tetris vids, so I thought this was a just an upload from Doremy or Zetris. But no, I saw it was from you and I squealed as I imagined two of my favorite things coming together for one vid!!!
WOO! AUSTIN MCCONNELL IS THE MAN!!! Austin McConnell’s videos are so awesome, ue’s even inspired me to create my own UA-cam channel! Keep up the great videos, Austin!
I feel like this leaves an important question unanswered: How long can the game handle this?
I dont mean like, processing power. I mean how long can the game last before the frame rate is literally not high enough to allow execution of the pattern before the pieces fall, if that ever even happens. This requires cementing which version of the game is in question, but it helps tie a lot of loose threads when I'm coming into this thinking "He's gonna talk about how long a Tetris TAS can last".
If the games locks its speed out after a while due to hardware limitations then it can be done indefinitely
uh what??? the framerate would never drop since the pieces arent rendered after they are cleared, not to mention tetris is a very light game to run....
@@donnguyen166 The frame rate won't drop. But the pieces may be so fast that they move down 5 spaces in one frame because the FPS was never high enough to deal with that speed.
Chiaki’s AI seeing this: P A N I C
𝕓𝕒𝕙𝕒𝕒𝕙𝕒
Thanks for reminding me this,I hate you
Jeesh these are some hard-hitting questions Austin.
This is awesome. I'm gonna try this!
0:35 Minecraft: Hold my beer
Before Minecraft took the gold, Tetris was number 1
TETRIO MADE IT IN
Oh hey god ! I got destroyed last time lol ; ;
why no like
@@adilacma not know
YES
Had no idea he played Tetris kinda surprising
Thanks for the mention, much appreciated! :)
I was playing Tetris while I got the notification for this video. Quarantine got us all playing it again lol
ahh yes! my two favourite things in the world; austin and tetris
0:35 laughs in Minecraft.
“One of OR”
Before Minecraft took the gold, Tetris was number 1
I've been casually following speed runs for years, so discovering this technique was fascinating. There should be a whole movie on how it was developed, and other techniques.
Austin really has the most random content of any UA-camr and I love it
Sonic: I am the fastest
Flash: No i'm the fastest
Pro Tetris players: Amateurs
2:07 o piece WTF? SMASHBOYYY
we need to collectively call this technique "infitris"
I love that a good two minutes of this video is just explaining how and why the 4-wide strategy works so well
to play tetris forever, you will need to have infinite dexterity, lifespan, and freetime. No one has this.
Queen Elizabeth: *hold my crown.*
I really appreciate the level of detail in this when most other "can you play tetris forever" videos are just "no because we only considered the NES version of Tetris"
Thanks! Going to use this in my next 1000L run.
Tetris can run on either 32 bit or 64 bit operating systems. This means on a 32 bit operating system the highest possible score would be 2^31-1 or 2,147,483,647 (the 32 bit integer limit). Any more than this would cause it to roll over into the negatives at the minimum value of -2^31 (-2,147,483,648) stop going up or crash. On a 64 bit operating system the highest score possible would be 2^63-1 or 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 (the 64 bit integer limit) any more than this and your score would roll over into the negatives (it would go to the minimum value of -2^63 or -9,223,372,036,854,775,808) stop going up or just crash.
Omg I was playing tetris and this showed up, what
Elijah Peter
Looks like you need a VPN
Are we sure this isn't a SIGBOVIK paper?
excellent video!
“Even if you make the right moves, the clock will always win”
Wumbo and doremy: hold our t-spin
Does the title refer to how addicting it is that you can’t stop playing?
1:42 sooo... a TAS?
also the "pieces" are called "tetromino's"
ironically despite the game being so well known barely anyone knows that fact above.
I live for Tetris
Tetris Company actually prefers 'tetrimino' and that's the trademarked term, since 'tetromino' is the generic mathematical term for 4-block pieces
Thank you so much for making this less than 10 minutes
Legendary video
Vast applications of this information, a truly well done intelligent delivery
UA-cam: there's 9 comments, would you like to see them?
Me: "of course, yes please!"
Also UA-cam: no, Y O U F O O L
You can play a game of Tetris forever! Just pause it.
damn ur right xD
thats not playing it though
@Space Core damn bro thats crazy
You can also use this technique to optimize Tetris Effect, where any piece can be used in the middle well during Zone mode.
Even if all the numbers are correct (some are saying they aren't), the pieces can be given to you in such an order that the left side is impossible, such as getting the red piece first, or the right side is impossible, such as getting an L followed by a square. While holding fixes the issue partially, a combination of the two issues in a specific but not uncommon order causes the entire strategy to fall apart.
I was playing NES Tetris as this started autoplaying
Petition for 2 million subs special: trying this Tetris method as long as possible with TheOdd1sOut
Thanks man. I have been playing the same Tetris game for a month now.
This is why I love this chancel talks about everything random
This vjeo is heretical because it doesn't use the NES version.
the nes version sucks sorry man
Minecraft is actually the best selling game in the world.
"... becoming one of or the best selling video game in the world"
Tetris was the best selling video game ever until 2019. Since then Tetris remained second so it's still one of the best selling video games ever.
@@Oshisaure I like how all the tetris fans are destroying everybody who says something wrong in the comments lol. And O spin octuple when ?
Glad to see your still uploading. I got concerned after that last video.
while scrolling through different versions of Tetris, it showed Puyo Puyo Tetris, and that was my jam man, basically anime characters from different dimensions meet and have to do a thing, 2 different styles of play, and a whole lot of fun.
I feel like this would have been a very useful video for Code Bullet
Man I was trying so hard to figure out how you deal with inconvenient patterns be side I totally forgot we necessitated the hold feature
Oh boy another episode of Things I didnt know I wanted to learn
1:36
also the SRS rotation system. its a must-have in all modern games
you also have a problem where you always rotate counter clockwise. dont do that.
In the balancing loop it looks like the left and middle stacks might both demand the hold function at the same time, and you can only hold one piece. This might break the pattern.
Didn't think I was going to watch a video about Tetris today. But I'm glad I did.
This only fed my addiction to Tetris. Thanks :)
It's technically possible to play NES Tetris with a mod to reduce the scoring to the level of level 30 forever. Just really hard.