I don’t know I nearly cried when I sold mine, (was noticeably faster, 2 e5- 2670) and it was 2016 then. I did regret not doing some things differently, like motherboard choice. but its all behind me now I have a single 14C xeon cpu now.
FACT. I had a dual xeon 2689w system with 64gb ram, much faster than this one as it scored about 2000 in cinebench (employed as a 3d animator) and a simple 1st or 2nd gen ryzen 7 cpu is far better. similar multi core score and MUCH higher single core. zero reason to get old xeons the second the ryzen cpu's came out.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff where you able to get the dual xeon system to go into a sleep state? I have S5520hc with dual xeon and the dam thing wont idle. in one month it raised my electric bill $150 :/
As a former HP field engineer, there was a 3rd option for cooling, a closed loop liquid kit. And because I worked on these 800 all the time, I chose a Z600. More reliable, smaller and lighter.
Ray Mond - Please, please, please could you help me out? I have a HP Z840 I am trying to upgrade and could really do with your technical knowledge. Thank you in advance.
@Will I paid $85 to get a used 750 ti 2gb vram until I could get my hands on a 3060 for $550 😑 I remember being reluctant to switch to pc, when you could find 2060s in the $200 price range and cheap second hand deals, then when I finally decide to, prices are inflated and dictated by ethereum profitability on eBay and nothing is in stock.
My friend's dad gave me his old gtx 960 around January, February this year. I sold it and bought a gtx 980 for 280 euro. The 980 wasn't the best deal of my life, but I either suck with that 960, or I buy a better card.
If you're doing serious repair you can really only debug with the power supply turned on. This is a rare case of failure that should not happen under normal circumstances, even if you plug and unplug everything.
Unless you’re running jobs concurrently through VMs (or otherwise), dual Xenons will usually look a little underwhelming compared to single CPU home systems. The benchmarking software isn’t really optimised to measure the systems’ true capabilities.
Yes and you will often run into issues if you try just running Windows on the system. Instead throw something like Proxmox on there and make a few linux VMs.
Not only that, but a dual cpu system is bad for gaming. While the avg fps is good, the 1% and .1% lows are awful. This is a thing on all dual cpu system
You can but there are a few caveats. This board only does PCI Express 2.0, and some of the slots are 1.0. When I put a USB 3.0 x1 card in my machine I couldn't get full speed because I didn't have enough PCI Express lanes at fast enough speed to hit full throttle. I mean, yes, its better than 2.0 by a long shot but its still bottle necked a little.
I have same model maxed out as well. it's a nice workstation and provides enough horse power to build a lot of docker instances. You've also hit the problem of buying older hardware square on the head. Newer systems can be a lot faster and better.
What I love most about these servers...PCIe lanes. Like seriously, I can put three nvme drives in raid0 and a gpu and just go crazy. Also, seriously, USB3 is easy, PCIe.
really nice to see a build similar to one i did. I used a supermicro X8D board with dual X5660 xeons and 128GB of ram with raid 1 300GB SSDs and raid 1 2TBs and a RX 580 in a corsair case
I picked up a couple of these on the cheap and they're solid workstations. I'm using one for photogrammetry and 3d modeling and the other as an ESXi server.
As a help desk technician, HP has wonderful customer service in my experience so don't feel embarrassed. When I spoke to them I felt like I was talking to one of my veteran coworkers
With all those PCIe slots, there's no excuse for not adding a cheap USB3 card. Could even get one of the USB 3.1 cards that use a 2x connector as you've got plenty of 4x or 8x slots that otherwise are not useful for non sever stuff.
I do have a USB3 card in mine. Interestingly it struggles to run multiple 2.5 HDDs off of a single card (not all of them power up). (And yes, there is power supplied by a SATA power adapter to the card.) Under windows 10 I get the occasional IO hang for 30s or so, and tried removing the USB3 card (same behaviour) and haven't got round to plugging it back in.
I own 2x Z820 and 2x Z600. They are great machines for workstation use, for rendering and 3d work, or for video encoding because of the high core counts. The only down side is the amount of power these things pull. It's massive. Great video. Cool I am seeing people picking these machines up now. Especially because if you look around, you can even find Z800/Z820 for around the $400 to $500 mark in the dual processor configuration.
I still have a Dual X5680 / 48GB Dell T7500 Workstation. It's really fast upgraded with SATA III controller and SSD. Probably not worth doing anymore though.
Always like seeing HP Z workstation content and Xeon content! I've done so many custom transplanted z400 Xeon builds and also a few Z420 and z620 builds. Actually z620 setup serves as my test bench with an E5-1620. Do a video on trying to flip this system, then a follow-up using it's newer brother the Z820 :) dual Xeon E5-2667v2 CPUs would make for an interesting comparison to the upcoming 16 core Ryzen
Hi, I have to setup an economic PC for 3 CAD. I thinked to use HP Z420 QC with the E5-1620v2 with 32 GB of RAM, Nvidia Quadro K2000 and an SSD. All for about 450$. What do you think about performance? Is It still good or i have to move to a ryzen 3 config?
Fabio Di Nicolantonio | Ortona if you can at all go for something faster than E5-1620v2, it's the slowest CPU for that socket, quad 2.8GHz with no turbo. I have this as a visual studio workstation and it's slow for that, infuriatingly so.
@@fabiodinicolantonioortona1407 I would say upgrade your CPU to the E5-2680 (V1 variant not V2), it gives you 8 cores, 16 threads, 2.7ghz base and 3.5ghz boost. Its offically not supported by HP, however many have had no issues using that that processor with the HP z420, also people have used Registered ECC without issues either on that board. I hope this helps :)
@@fabiodinicolantonioortona1407 I did one with a Z440 and that has an e5-1650 v3 32gb ram and a GTX 1080 all for less than $700 after tax and shipping. I felt like I made super saavy move because at the time server chips were pretty cheap and I figured I'd just pick up a new CPU if I needed to upgrade, but there's demand for these high clocked high core count CPUs now so an upgrade isn't as cheap as I'd once thought it would be.
I built one of these, for a decent bit less than you paid, way back at the end of 2015. I've since moved to a Z820, and am already looking to upgrade again. The *biggest* problem with the Z800 is the 2TB limit of the onboard SAS/SATA controllers, which was the primary reason I upgraded away from the Z800...
Dawid, your production quality has improved so, so much! It's been awesome to see you evolve from a single celled amoeba UA-camr to whatever multicellular organism you are today. 😄
Capacitors in a power supply stay charged for months even years, and can easily deliver a fatal shock. Don't do what this guy did without proper protection, he doesn't even realize how incredibly close to disaster he got.
Months? Years? I agree he was careless but no, sorry, that's bullshit. We'd be using them instead of batteries if that were true. It *is* true they can stay dangerous for longer than most people would expect. But not weeks or even days. Furthermore, modern safety standards require bleeder resistors that remove the energy quickly. That's why you don't die when you touch the prongs of your power brick while stuffing it in your bag. The amount of energy stored in the capacitors of a computer power supply is also unlikely to be large enough to kill you, even if it would do some pretty nasty damage. While it's very wise to be careful around mains capacitors (short them with the tip of your screwdriver before touching), this is really more a worry with things like vintage audio equipment which usually has big bulk capacitor banks and was built before those safety standards existed, or devices like plasma TVs or CRTs which use thousands of volts.
What you said is technically true, but anything built in the last 75 years by any kind of decent company will have discharge resistors across the caps to bleed them off quickly and safely. They will remain charged for only a second or two. The discharge resistor would have to have failed open to keep the cap charged, and even then, it will certainly not be for months or years. It will be a few minutes at most. We also don't know if he waited or not, with video editing and such. If you are not sure, just short out the cap and you know it's discharged. I will tell you what often lacks the discharge resistors these days. Cheap knockoff stuff from China.
Absolutely, please add a disclaimer in the video, this is terribly dangerous. I am use to work on audio and guitar amplifiers, you have to discharge de capacitors before manipulating any power supply like this. The moment he touched the PCB with his bare hands made me terribly uncomfortable
If you do some digging you can find some custom BIOS's that will allow some a small amount of overclocking, just make sure you have a revision 3 motherboard.
I built a dual CPU Opteron system with a total of 32 cores, 8 memory channels, and 256 GB of RAM for about $700 not counting graphics cards and storage. It performs slightly better than my Ryzen 2700x in tasks that can take full advantage of all 32 cores, and the CPUs run cooler than those Xeons.
Amazing experience.. I do upgrade the z820 server with 96GB and dual Xeon of E5-2696v2 and GTX 1080.. the cpuz result for dual Xeons hits the i9-7950xe score in multi thread test. Sadly the single core score is equivalent to 3rd gen CPU in 2013 so, not good deal for high FPS gaming. Then I decided to use this machine for FAH application and I loved it
I have not built my home pc in years. Last year I got a new Dell Precision at work so I brought my old Precision with a Xeon home, slapped my old 1050ti in there and works great for my needs. I also have a really old Precision with a Xeon in my network closet running my Rust server. I love taking these old pc's home.
If you want to use one as a Windows desktop? Yeah I generally wouldn't bother. But if you want to use one on Linux, or especially if you want to use one as a server with virtualization? Then absolutely go with a dual CPU system. Dual CPU systems just work when you use them for what they are intended for. You can pick up a Dell R710 or R720 server on ebay for cheap these days, dual CPU systems with plenty of registered memory. Throw Proxmox or ESXi on there and chuck on a bunch of Linux VMs and self host a ton of fun things like Plex, NextCloud, BitWarden, etc etc.
you really should have mentioned that not only Z800 doesn't provide USB3, it also doesn't come with SATA 3. It's a SATA 2 machine and the internal HDD transfer speed is also very slow compare to SATA 3, even when it's RAIDed on windows disk manager there's speed difference.
@03:10 -- Intel CPU Corner indicator goes to the hinge lever corner. there's also 2 notches in the sides of the CPU and Tabs in the socket, it won't lay flat unless it's in the correct orientation. You can also unscrew the backplate via the torx screws on the front of the socket, and use the included backplate with the hyper 212. the socket retention frame really isn't needed. with a single x5670 overclocked to 4.5 and tuned well was able to break 1050 in R15 -- high end machines are breaking 18,000 these days one a single CPU...
Excellent thinking. But I noticed that the cpu fans you placed, are directed upwards. There is no ventilation upwards, the vents are backwards. You need to monitor the temp because of throttling.
I have two HP Z800s and a Z820 and absolutely love them. It's amazing how much RAM and how many CPU cores you can get for the price when buying these machines refurbished. My Z820 I bought for less than $1,000 US and it has 64 GBs of RAM and 12 cores. It came with a decent HDD and graphics card, but I've upgraded those since. I don't game. I do a lot of photography, some video editing, and do a lot with virtual machines. They work out extremely well for my needs. I keep wondering: "How many more years am I going to get out of this amazing machine?" The other thing I did was added a 4-port Ethernet add-on card (giving me 6 ports total). It was spendy (almost $200), but it has been well worth it.
everytime i see dual xeon it remembers me to a week before i decided to host a server. i had this dual xeon system with 48gb i sold it for 50 bucks after months of advertising since no one wanted to have it lol. the regrets wen i wanted to buy a server back lol
I have a Z800 system, but I built it in pieces and put it inside a regular case. Took some modification, but it works pretty good. There are wiring adapters to convert ATX power to Z800 power, and had to get different threaded screws to keep the Intel LGA1366 coolers in, tapped holes in the case for the non-standard stand-off locations, and built fan adapters to plug fans into the non-standard plugs. Everything works perfectly. Also the screws are the exact same as case screws, threading wise. You could have just gotten some thumb screws of sufficient length and it would have worked.
This dropped into my recommended today. The production quality, loser suckface insults, and your beard has grown tremendously in the last 2 years. Keep up the good work.
@@Phunker1 server processes requests, and uploads them to the internet. while a workstation does video editing, 3d shape rendering, and stuff like that.
x5675's dayum kicked it old school but even 2 years ago in dual form in multi-threaded apps they did pretty well. The Z800 is a workstation, not a server, used them and the Z600 series for years, great machines.
I freaking LOVE how the 2 hyper 212s look side by side ! Awesome stuff man :D Btw : Dunno if u forgot or just didn't update the gleam winner page ... What happened to the ssd giveaway xP
Oh crap, I did realise the page could be updated. I announced that there was a winner on twitter and I sent the SSD about two weeks ago. I'm very sorry, I will go update the gleem page. Those two coolers look so awesome right? It looks all super powerful. :D
I sold my dual Xeon 2687W precision workstation on ebay for around $550 with 64gb of ram and firepro gpu back in June. Performance wise, it was on par with a 2700x for most single threaded and FPS/gaming benchmarks while destroying it on multithreaded workloads, it did 2200 Cinebench R15 score. The only reason I sold was the power consumption, and how uncomfortably hot my room would get with it on. I don't really see the value in socket 1366 anymore Because 2011 & 2011-3 have come down in cost a lot while giving huge advantages in ipc and power consumption.
That's a pretty awesome build, and was seriously considering doing some upgrading to my machine while watching this. However, my current machine with its Asus P6X58-E WS motherboard, Xeon W3690 overclocked at 4.2ghz, 48gb of 1600mhz non-ECC RAM, and RTX 2080 pushes the envelope a little more than I would get going to a dual X series processor setup like this, even if I used X5690s. Curiosity has the better of me though: I wonder how that PC would perform with dual Xeon X5687 processors... They're 4 core processors instead of 6, but they run at a stock speed of 3.6ghz, and they're cheap, I think I paid $25 for one just recently. With a locked multiplier there's not much overclocking potential, however you might be able to squeeze a little more out of it, perhaps up to 3.8 or 3.9ghz.
Though I really dig Xeon based systems and this one really does it for me, there's just something about recycling old server grade PCs that is soo cool... When you compare this type of setup to more modern setups and especially against Ryzen, it's hard to justify it for the price. At the time of this video though, Ryzen was definitely more expansive.
It's hard to justify the price itself though. Dual X5675 with 48GB of ram, was not worth anywhere close to $700 in 2019. I just checked and a similarly specced R710 have been selling for only £120 on ebay... Even in 2019 they were only ~£150, and even less in the US, this wasn't worth more than $200. Look up "My 20 core/40 thread, 128gb ram "budget" (~$600) home server build" on reddit. Dude shows a build of dual 10 core E5-2660v2 CPUs with 128GB of memory for only $600. Much much better performance, much better power consumption, more RAM, and cheaper...
@@lost4468yt in the technology space, the price and performance ratio changes daily, with that said.. I wouldn't make the same comparison that I did a year ago. While I do think recycling/reusing is awesome, I couldn't justify going this old verse newer tech.
@@paulscomedyclips Yeah I agree with reusing old equipment. I think this is pretty much on the barrier though, as it was the generation after this that dramatically dropped power usage. Our R710 uses like 220W at idle, which is ridiculous. But things like the E3/E5/etc, especially v2 ones, I think should be reused for a very very long time. They use much less idle power, and they're still more than powerful enough for most server applications. Because computational requirements have simple stopped increasing. I think that something like an E5 v2 or even v1 CPU will likely hold up well for at least the next decade, possibly even much longer.
@@lost4468yt you are right. I bought the same stuff in 2015 for the same amount of money. Z800 is getting very old now ( it is PCIe-2). I don't know why this guy was expecting something amazing. It is 2009 architecture. In 2019 is certainly not a bargain anymore. In 2021 it is not worth it. A 6 core amd ryzen 5 is way better than this and 3-4 times less power hungry. Even the z820 now is old. I am still keeping that beast for running old software because it has got 72gb ram, which is still a lot, but I will have to buy a new one some times in the future besides my personal PC. Besides, it runs very hot and noisy during the summer...
@@paulscomedyclips well for 200 dollars I got a CPU that has never bottlenecked by GTX 700 4GB and I got 24 GBs of cheap RAM for free and a whole ass computer it's a T7500 btw I consider it worth it for 250 dollars
I have a Z400 (the little brother to that machine), and I just put a PCIe USB3 5 port card in it to alleviate the slow USB transfer issue. Even though you can't overclock these machines, they're pretty much bulletproof for an everyday driver (the Z400 more so than the Z800, since it has a normal power supply). Mine is only a single Xeon W3580, but then again, I only paid $109 for it on Ebay, with free shipping!
In terms of specs, they are like a MAC PRO 5,1 but more expandable. They can be upgraded with modern SSDs, USB cards, and yes, even NVME drives. I have one of these motherboards put in a giant custom tower PC case, because its huge and can't even fit EEB cases like Fractal define 7 XL. There are aftermarket PSU cables for $10 to use a regular PC power supply (at least 600W 80+ gold). Total cost : $250 for board, 2 xeons, 48GB ram, ATX cable, 2 larger coolers with fans. Not bad. And many use cases, from Hackintosh to workstation, server, etc
I bought mine 3 years ago. From an eBay seller I could configure the base options I got 2 5675's with 128 gigs of ram. my current upgrades are an old PCI-E io Fusion SSD(75 dollars for what was a 5K drive? Yes please.) I have also changed the old 2 gig Quadro for a 1070 Geforce. My 800 runs like a dream
was thinking the same thing till I saw exactly how he was painting the side panels and at that point figured that it was amazing enough he knew how to operate a power tool let along have a tap and die set
I have a old HP workstation that even today will crush a Ryzen 5800x in multithreaded workloads.... The box has 2x E5-2699 v4's for a total of 44 cores, 88 threads and a max boost clock of 3.6GHz... With the 128GB of DDR4 in 8 channel, It will casually push out a little of 30,000 points in Cinebench R23... Short of buying into Threadripper 2990W again (which I'm not about to do) nothing comes remotely close for the type of workloads I put on this rig (scientific astrophotographic analysis/processing)... All that matters for my workloads is cores and ram. IPC only matters IF you have more cores... So with my 88 cores, 128gb of ram and a 2560 cuda cores in the machine as well, I couldn't think of a better machine... All up it cost me FAR less than buying even a Ryzen 7 5800x CPU and 16Gb of DDR4 3200..
Thats awesome you built a usable workstation out of 1366 socket,1366/x58 is a long living and quite powerful platform,not many even later platforms could out live it. Though my old x58 990x OC'd to 4.6Ghz scores just over 2,000 in R20 on water and it still has room if your willing to crank the voltage a little high. If you could get the bios one of the commenters mentioned below to enable slight overclocking you'd have a little beast on your hands.
likely the poor choice of an open tower concept,,, there's a reason components are supposed to be enclosed. I couldn't believe he is using these on any build for some one else.
This build is worth it if you actually do server stuff, and use the gigantic amount of RAM. For gaming, 600€ can get you a complete build with gtx 1660 and ryzen 5 2600, that'll do 20% more FPS. Also plug and play, no risk, warranty, modern motherboard, support for the next 10 years... But yeah, not quite as sexy as a dual Xeon setup :D
I bought a "Huananzhi X99" TF motherboard and a "2678v3" processor 12 cores 24 threads from Aliexpress a month ago, and it took me 218$, for such powerful hardware. I fixed a fixed turbo boost for all 3.3 GHz threads, reduced the voltage using the "EFI" driver(-50Mlv) which helps keep the turbo boost 3.3 GHz, even under heavy load.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff wait so you gpu actually went up in flames? Is it possible for that to happen with your average daily driver kind of pc or basic gaming pc?
I haven't watched your video in its entirety but a simple way to tell if a part is bad is it will overheat due to the short, . So find the short instead by finding its indicator, HEAT. Spray FreeOn (that was is/was it's trade name) or similar refrigerant on the board and that defective part will be the one whereupon the frosty freeze has melted. That is a good first clue to fixing it with a component and a soldering iron instead of replacing the full board blindly in the hope whatever was bad is replaced. That way of fixing stuff is like kitchen sinking it or carpet bombing it.
This is exactly what I did with the Dell Precision T7500. the second CPU is in via a riser card, but I got it running fine with 96gb of ram, a GTX 1060, a PCIe USB3.0 card, and one of those cheap 5.25" bay internal multi-card readers with USB 3.0 on the front side too. I put in a tape drive from an old Dell 500SC so I could archive old data, and I didn't really have anything else to use it for once I upgraded to the Ryzen 7 3800x, it outperformed it by quite a bit so I demoted this system to an incredibly overpowered Plex server and NAS.
I use one of these Z800 towers. Its a great machine and is an absolute beast at video editing. Mine's got dual Xeon X5660 @2.8 GHz, 176 GB DDR3 ECC registered RAM, a GTX 1080 8GB, 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO boot drive, 2 TB Samsung 860 EVO for games, and a 14 TB WDC easystore shuck for general storage. My Z800 tower was free, as I grabbed it out of a dumpster. The CPU upgrades were free, as they were given to me from my IT teacher (the tower originally had a single X5560 Nehalem, ouch). My GTX 1080 8 GB was $330, 500 GB SSD was $70, 2 TB SSD was like $300, 14 TB EasyStore was like $180, and RAM was $180 for 192 GB. The last stick died, so I'm with 176 GB. So overall, it was like $880 to upgrade this from its stock single X5560, 4 GB of RAM, Quadro FX1800, and 250 GB spinning drive to its current configuration.
About 2 years ago I bought a HP Pavilion laptop for $639. It came with a Intel i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz(4.1 GHz Turbo), NVidia GeForce 1650 Ti(4GB), 16GB SD RAM Memory, Western Digital 1 TB m.2 SSD. I'm pleasantly surprised how well it's held up. I do a lot of video editing, 3d models, and it has no problem with all the newer games. The only 1 thing that I wish it could handle better is when using Unreal when trying to make virtual on set environments, and Unity when adding a lot of 3d models and characters for making video games. I guess what I'm trying to say is that bigger isn't always better.
You can overclock that chip, just not on a server motherboard. You can do so on a normal single socket x58 board, or an SR-2 if you can get your hands on it lol
Have a similar setup, z600 with a gtx1060, 24GB DDR3 and dual x5675 (6 core). And my two boys has a z400 each with a X5687 3.6@3.86ghz and that outperforms my rig in gaming, but mine rocks in demanding tasks where all 12 cores get to work. The z400 is a hidden gem for budget gaming. RAM and fast xeon CPU's for the 1366 socket are cheap on ebay.
You can rest assured the stock coolers are going to be all you will ever need. 16 year old workstation here that was stock cooled for 5 years hard service and a further 10+ years intermittent hard service with a couple of uprated Xeons. One of the best the board supports is adequately cooled by the stock cooler. It's quite loud but hey ho. These things are designed to bulletproof. Luv and Peace.
The Z800 is a brilliant machine - I've also installed Windows 11 on them with no problems - the only thing you can't do is boot to an NVME - but they do run on it at about 1800Mb/Sec!
@@The123tactics Any modern psu has over current/shortcut protection and fuses as do graphics cards.. I've build hundreds of systems never seen something actually go up in smoke. 🤔
can confirm I have seen a nunber of components go up in smoke on server platforms... They lack a lot of the standard protections you might find in consumer hardware from my experiences. (components killed - Delta High RPM Fan, Vega64, Dell PowerEdge T620 Motherboard, and WD Gold HDD) not sure how I killed the fan.... the fan cables had litterally melted and the fan let out magic blue smoke... mind boggles. Vega 64 smoldered to a husk by me running -12V through the card, T620 motherboard died from idk just heard a pop one day and the board never turned on again smelt like sonething fried but never could find visible damage. On consumer grade boards never killed a single thing. Servers are unforgiving and you do anything incorrectly no matter how minor something will die
Here in Germay the older dual socket baords and server are super cheap. I recently bulit a 2U IBM x3650 M2 with two Xeon 5650 (2*6c) and 48GB RAM for under 100€/$100 But my pride is my 500€/$550 Dual Xeon 2680, 16 Core Workstation with 160GB DDR3 ECC and some parts i had over. It's completly passive cooled and gets about 2000 points in CB R15 :)
I built a Z800 with dual 5690s, 96 gigs of memory and a 1080 ti a couple of years ago. One of the funnest builds I've done and I'm still using it. Main thing about putting one of these together is if you need copious amounts of memory but don't want to give up a kidney, this is definitely a viable route. Obviously, these CPUs are no longer dyno queens but they will still get the job done and game pretty good while they're at it.
this is one of your best I ever enjoyed a GTX 1080ti would have been more badass since this is and awesome build. Beautiful awesome look...excellent server and Video editing..
The two happiest days of one's life... the day you get your dual cpu system and the day you sell that system.
Haha!! I guess that's an exciting circle of life for a PC.
I don’t know I nearly cried when I sold mine, (was noticeably faster, 2 e5- 2670) and it was 2016 then. I did regret not doing some things differently, like motherboard choice. but its all behind me now I have a single 14C xeon cpu now.
It's expensive. And it's something almost nobody want.
FACT. I had a dual xeon 2689w system with 64gb ram, much faster than this one as it scored about 2000 in cinebench (employed as a 3d animator) and a simple 1st or 2nd gen ryzen 7 cpu is far better. similar multi core score and MUCH higher single core. zero reason to get old xeons the second the ryzen cpu's came out.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff where you able to get the dual xeon system to go into a sleep state? I have S5520hc with dual xeon and the dam thing wont idle. in one month it raised my electric bill $150 :/
As a former HP field engineer, there was a 3rd option for cooling, a closed loop liquid kit. And because I worked on these 800 all the time, I chose a Z600. More reliable, smaller and lighter.
Ray Mond - Please, please, please could you help me out? I have a HP Z840 I am trying to upgrade and could really do with your technical knowledge. Thank you in advance.
Question is this worth doing now?? And trying to game on it lol??
@@kcmullins6179 It will still perform almost the same as you saw in the video.
will that cooler work on a z600?
@@alfredoojeda7977 Sice it's a smaller case, i don't think it Will. IT barely fits to the Z800
$150 for a GTX 1060, those were the days my friend... 😭
The same thing I was thinking 😭😭😭
i bought 1070 in august last year for ~200, so happy
@Will I paid $85 to get a used 750 ti 2gb vram until I could get my hands on a 3060 for $550 😑 I remember being reluctant to switch to pc, when you could find 2060s in the $200 price range and cheap second hand deals, then when I finally decide to, prices are inflated and dictated by ethereum profitability on eBay and nothing is in stock.
Lmao was thinking the same thing
My friend's dad gave me his old gtx 960 around January, February this year. I sold it and bought a gtx 980 for 280 euro. The 980 wasn't the best deal of my life, but I either suck with that 960, or I buy a better card.
When you play with wires and it suddenly "Comes on!".
*Turn Power off before dicking with power and power supplies*
The Quadro catching fire is a lesson about not messing around with PCs while the PSU is turned on.
Yes.
If you're doing serious repair you can really only debug with the power supply turned on. This is a rare case of failure that should not happen under normal circumstances, even if you plug and unplug everything.
@@lost4468yt In this case you really should know what you are doing before you mess around with things you don't completely understand.
He loses some serious credibility for that honestly.
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Unless you’re running jobs concurrently through VMs (or otherwise), dual Xenons will usually look a little underwhelming compared to single CPU home systems. The benchmarking software isn’t really optimised to measure the systems’ true capabilities.
Yes and you will often run into issues if you try just running Windows on the system. Instead throw something like Proxmox on there and make a few linux VMs.
need to run Mac OS and windows (in a VM at the same time) so yeah I think its a good investment.
Not only that, but a dual cpu system is bad for gaming. While the avg fps is good, the 1% and .1% lows are awful. This is a thing on all dual cpu system
@@o-hogameplay185 search for NUMA and threadripper and gaming. You will understand what is the cause, and how can it be fixed / worked around.
what about emulation?
"Doesn't have USB3" - For about $10 you can surely add it via PCI-e?
You can, and that was what I did in a similar setup.
Ohh that I did, plus USB type C. Card was about $15
isn't that x58? i thought even with a usb 3 pcie the slot doesn't have that bandwidth? correct me if im wrong
You can but there are a few caveats. This board only does PCI Express 2.0, and some of the slots are 1.0. When I put a USB 3.0 x1 card in my machine I couldn't get full speed because I didn't have enough PCI Express lanes at fast enough speed to hit full throttle. I mean, yes, its better than 2.0 by a long shot but its still bottle necked a little.
Yep, you can do that indeed. Lots of USB 3 ports in fact! And you can add USB C while you're at it.
I have same model maxed out as well. it's a nice workstation and provides enough horse power to build a lot of docker instances. You've also hit the problem of buying older hardware square on the head. Newer systems can be a lot faster and better.
Press F for respect to the Nvidia Quadro, atleast it did something important before this happened
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Meh. The GPU is worth around 20 Bucks. Its just an Quadro 4000. Not to be confused with the K4000.
I was gonna say that Gpu is woah outdated. You can get one on eBay for around $60 all day.
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What I love most about these servers...PCIe lanes. Like seriously, I can put three nvme drives in raid0 and a gpu and just go crazy. Also, seriously, USB3 is easy, PCIe.
These looks more badass then modern gaming pcs I love these industrial design
I prefer the black side panels over the silver ones. Makes it look badass.
@@Chris-yy7qc The Z840 is completely blacked out.
You like blacked?
@@glhfgamerz8467 owo bbc chan
Never seen a workstation or server from the inside?
really nice to see a build similar to one i did. I used a supermicro X8D board with dual X5660 xeons and 128GB of ram with raid 1 300GB SSDs and raid 1 2TBs and a RX 580 in a corsair case
Gaming benchmark please
@@a8gaming951 for a system i had 4 years ago...... i dont have the same setup on that system anymore.
I picked up a couple of these on the cheap and they're solid workstations. I'm using one for photogrammetry and 3d modeling and the other as an ESXi server.
As a help desk technician, HP has wonderful customer service in my experience so don't feel embarrassed. When I spoke to them I felt like I was talking to one of my veteran coworkers
With all those PCIe slots, there's no excuse for not adding a cheap USB3 card. Could even get one of the USB 3.1 cards that use a 2x connector as you've got plenty of 4x or 8x slots that otherwise are not useful for non sever stuff.
That's a good point. The nice thing about this server is that it is very expandable.
And, they dime for dozen .
8).
I do have a USB3 card in mine. Interestingly it struggles to run multiple 2.5 HDDs off of a single card (not all of them power up). (And yes, there is power supplied by a SATA power adapter to the card.) Under windows 10 I get the occasional IO hang for 30s or so, and tried removing the USB3 card (same behaviour) and haven't got round to plugging it back in.
I thought the exact same thing, easy fix!
also get a PCIE to NVME M.2 drive and a SATA 3 expansion card and Hot plug SSD bay and run the on board SATA in raid
I own 2x Z820 and 2x Z600. They are great machines for workstation use, for rendering and 3d work, or for video encoding because of the high core counts. The only down side is the amount of power these things pull. It's massive. Great video. Cool I am seeing people picking these machines up now. Especially because if you look around, you can even find Z800/Z820 for around the $400 to $500 mark in the dual processor configuration.
What's your Z600 specs ?
God, I loved my first dual xeon setup. The stock coolers made it sound like a 747 taking off though
😂💀
I really enjoyed your more relaxed tone in this video. I been binging on your channel all day and this was one of the easiest videos to listen to.
I had a X5670 and it worked really well for games and stuff especially since I overclocked it to 4ghz. Those old xeons are great, nice video man
I still have a Dual X5680 / 48GB Dell T7500 Workstation. It's really fast upgraded with SATA III controller and SSD. Probably not worth doing anymore though.
Always like seeing HP Z workstation content and Xeon content! I've done so many custom transplanted z400 Xeon builds and also a few Z420 and z620 builds. Actually z620 setup serves as my test bench with an E5-1620. Do a video on trying to flip this system, then a follow-up using it's newer brother the Z820 :) dual Xeon E5-2667v2 CPUs would make for an interesting comparison to the upcoming 16 core Ryzen
I wish I still had it, I would have loved to upgrade it. I am thinking of doing another one of these videos at some point.
Hi, I have to setup an economic PC for 3 CAD. I thinked to use HP Z420 QC with the E5-1620v2 with 32 GB of RAM, Nvidia Quadro K2000 and an SSD. All for about 450$. What do you think about performance? Is It still good or i have to move to a ryzen 3 config?
Fabio Di Nicolantonio | Ortona if you can at all go for something faster than E5-1620v2, it's the slowest CPU for that socket, quad 2.8GHz with no turbo. I have this as a visual studio workstation and it's slow for that, infuriatingly so.
@@fabiodinicolantonioortona1407 I would say upgrade your CPU to the E5-2680 (V1 variant not V2), it gives you 8 cores, 16 threads, 2.7ghz base and 3.5ghz boost. Its offically not supported by HP, however many have had no issues using that that processor with the HP z420, also people have used Registered ECC without issues either on that board. I hope this helps :)
@@fabiodinicolantonioortona1407 I did one with a Z440 and that has an e5-1650 v3 32gb ram and a GTX 1080 all for less than $700 after tax and shipping. I felt like I made super saavy move because at the time server chips were pretty cheap and I figured I'd just pick up a new CPU if I needed to upgrade, but there's demand for these high clocked high core count CPUs now so an upgrade isn't as cheap as I'd once thought it would be.
Really awesome content. New place is coming along nicely.
Thank you. :D Now I just need to get rid of this PC somehow. :P
I built one of these, for a decent bit less than you paid, way back at the end of 2015. I've since moved to a Z820, and am already looking to upgrade again. The *biggest* problem with the Z800 is the 2TB limit of the onboard SAS/SATA controllers, which was the primary reason I upgraded away from the Z800...
Id say the biggest limitation is running into programs that require AVX to function.
Dawid, your production quality has improved so, so much! It's been awesome to see you evolve from a single celled amoeba UA-camr to whatever multicellular organism you are today. 😄
So you did it for the RAM.
Like, opening more than 20 tabs of chrome RAM.
wow buddy, 3 is the best you can get alright. no need to force doing your pc something that is impossible
@@justlixian293 heck I can’t even open 0.5 of a chrome tab..
Yes! I love using these old servers/workstations!
Did the Z420 in 11/2016 with 6 core Xeon, 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD for $730. Been great ever since. Another bargain is the Dell Power Edge R620's.
Capacitors in a power supply stay charged for months even years, and can easily deliver a fatal shock.
Don't do what this guy did without proper protection, he doesn't even realize how incredibly close to disaster he got.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 youre 100% right but for some reason I died laughing when I read your comment
Months? Years? I agree he was careless but no, sorry, that's bullshit. We'd be using them instead of batteries if that were true. It *is* true they can stay dangerous for longer than most people would expect. But not weeks or even days. Furthermore, modern safety standards require bleeder resistors that remove the energy quickly. That's why you don't die when you touch the prongs of your power brick while stuffing it in your bag. The amount of energy stored in the capacitors of a computer power supply is also unlikely to be large enough to kill you, even if it would do some pretty nasty damage. While it's very wise to be careful around mains capacitors (short them with the tip of your screwdriver before touching), this is really more a worry with things like vintage audio equipment which usually has big bulk capacitor banks and was built before those safety standards existed, or devices like plasma TVs or CRTs which use thousands of volts.
What you said is technically true, but anything built in the last 75 years by any kind of decent company will have discharge resistors across the caps to bleed them off quickly and safely. They will remain charged for only a second or two. The discharge resistor would have to have failed open to keep the cap charged, and even then, it will certainly not be for months or years. It will be a few minutes at most. We also don't know if he waited or not, with video editing and such. If you are not sure, just short out the cap and you know it's discharged. I will tell you what often lacks the discharge resistors these days. Cheap knockoff stuff from China.
"months" are me eyes burnt from reading this
Absolutely, please add a disclaimer in the video, this is terribly dangerous. I am use to work on audio and guitar amplifiers, you have to discharge de capacitors before manipulating any power supply like this. The moment he touched the PCB with his bare hands made me terribly uncomfortable
If you do some digging you can find some custom BIOS's that will allow some a small amount of overclocking, just make sure you have a revision 3 motherboard.
You can usually check electrolytic caps with an ESR meter without having to demount them.
I built a dual CPU Opteron system with a total of 32 cores, 8 memory channels, and 256 GB of RAM for about $700 not counting graphics cards and storage. It performs slightly better than my Ryzen 2700x in tasks that can take full advantage of all 32 cores, and the CPUs run cooler than those Xeons.
I'll totally incorporate the "it's the final wipe-down" singing part to my pc building process...
yet, it was dusty inside on the final reveal :(
Amazing experience.. I do upgrade the z820 server with 96GB and dual Xeon of E5-2696v2 and GTX 1080.. the cpuz result for dual Xeons hits the i9-7950xe score in multi thread test. Sadly the single core score is equivalent to 3rd gen CPU in 2013 so, not good deal for high FPS gaming. Then I decided to use this machine for FAH application and I loved it
i love how dawid's voice went from like a gentle kid that knows about computer to a computer karen in 2 years 🤣
I have not built my home pc in years. Last year I got a new Dell Precision at work so I brought my old Precision with a Xeon home, slapped my old 1050ti in there and works great for my needs. I also have a really old Precision with a Xeon in my network closet running my Rust server. I love taking these old pc's home.
Every video i watch about dual CPU systems talks me out of building a dual CPU system...
If you want to use one as a Windows desktop? Yeah I generally wouldn't bother. But if you want to use one on Linux, or especially if you want to use one as a server with virtualization? Then absolutely go with a dual CPU system. Dual CPU systems just work when you use them for what they are intended for. You can pick up a Dell R710 or R720 server on ebay for cheap these days, dual CPU systems with plenty of registered memory. Throw Proxmox or ESXi on there and chuck on a bunch of Linux VMs and self host a ton of fun things like Plex, NextCloud, BitWarden, etc etc.
you really should have mentioned that not only Z800 doesn't provide USB3, it also doesn't come with SATA 3. It's a SATA 2 machine and the internal HDD transfer speed is also very slow compare to SATA 3, even when it's RAIDed on windows disk manager there's speed difference.
you kinda look like the guy I sold one of those cpu fans collars to! lol
@03:10 -- Intel CPU Corner indicator goes to the hinge lever corner. there's also 2 notches in the sides of the CPU and Tabs in the socket, it won't lay flat unless it's in the correct orientation. You can also unscrew the backplate via the torx screws on the front of the socket, and use the included backplate with the hyper 212. the socket retention frame really isn't needed. with a single x5670 overclocked to 4.5 and tuned well was able to break 1050 in R15 -- high end machines are breaking 18,000 these days one a single CPU...
Excellent thinking. But I noticed that the cpu fans you placed, are directed upwards. There is no ventilation upwards, the vents are backwards. You need to monitor the temp because of throttling.
I have two HP Z800s and a Z820 and absolutely love them. It's amazing how much RAM and how many CPU cores you can get for the price when buying these machines refurbished. My Z820 I bought for less than $1,000 US and it has 64 GBs of RAM and 12 cores. It came with a decent HDD and graphics card, but I've upgraded those since. I don't game. I do a lot of photography, some video editing, and do a lot with virtual machines. They work out extremely well for my needs. I keep wondering: "How many more years am I going to get out of this amazing machine?" The other thing I did was added a 4-port Ethernet add-on card (giving me 6 ports total). It was spendy (almost $200), but it has been well worth it.
everytime i see dual xeon it remembers me to a week before i decided to host a server. i had this dual xeon system with 48gb i sold it for 50 bucks after months of advertising since no one wanted to have it lol. the regrets wen i wanted to buy a server back lol
I have a Z800 system, but I built it in pieces and put it inside a regular case. Took some modification, but it works pretty good. There are wiring adapters to convert ATX power to Z800 power, and had to get different threaded screws to keep the Intel LGA1366 coolers in, tapped holes in the case for the non-standard stand-off locations, and built fan adapters to plug fans into the non-standard plugs. Everything works perfectly.
Also the screws are the exact same as case screws, threading wise. You could have just gotten some thumb screws of sufficient length and it would have worked.
This dropped into my recommended today. The production quality, loser suckface insults, and your beard has grown tremendously in the last 2 years. Keep up the good work.
0:50 Don't open power supplies and handle the bare circuit board like this. Some of the capacitors in it are like 200 volts and can kill you.
HP Z800 is a workstation, not a server.
Same thing
@@Phunker1 nope, it's completely different.
@@YR7A So fill me in on your logic.
@@Phunker1 server processes requests, and uploads them to the internet. while a workstation does video editing, 3d shape rendering, and stuff like that.
@@YR7A And where do you think lies the difference in the technology that is used to complete these tasks?
x5675's dayum kicked it old school but even 2 years ago in dual form in multi-threaded apps they did pretty well. The Z800 is a workstation, not a server, used them and the Z600 series for years, great machines.
I freaking LOVE how the 2 hyper 212s look side by side ! Awesome stuff man :D
Btw : Dunno if u forgot or just didn't update the gleam winner page ... What happened to the ssd giveaway xP
Oh crap, I did realise the page could be updated. I announced that there was a winner on twitter and I sent the SSD about two weeks ago. I'm very sorry, I will go update the gleem page.
Those two coolers look so awesome right? It looks all super powerful. :D
I sold my dual Xeon 2687W precision workstation on ebay for around $550 with 64gb of ram and firepro gpu back in June. Performance wise, it was on par with a 2700x for most single threaded and FPS/gaming benchmarks while destroying it on multithreaded workloads, it did 2200 Cinebench R15 score. The only reason I sold was the power consumption, and how uncomfortably hot my room would get with it on. I don't really see the value in socket 1366 anymore Because 2011 & 2011-3 have come down in cost a lot while giving huge advantages in ipc and power consumption.
That's a pretty awesome build, and was seriously considering doing some upgrading to my machine while watching this. However, my current machine with its Asus P6X58-E WS motherboard, Xeon W3690 overclocked at 4.2ghz, 48gb of 1600mhz non-ECC RAM, and RTX 2080 pushes the envelope a little more than I would get going to a dual X series processor setup like this, even if I used X5690s.
Curiosity has the better of me though: I wonder how that PC would perform with dual Xeon X5687 processors... They're 4 core processors instead of 6, but they run at a stock speed of 3.6ghz, and they're cheap, I think I paid $25 for one just recently. With a locked multiplier there's not much overclocking potential, however you might be able to squeeze a little more out of it, perhaps up to 3.8 or 3.9ghz.
Now that it is harder to get parts this idea is sounding really good.
Though I really dig Xeon based systems and this one really does it for me, there's just something about recycling old server grade PCs that is soo cool... When you compare this type of setup to more modern setups and especially against Ryzen, it's hard to justify it for the price. At the time of this video though, Ryzen was definitely more expansive.
It's hard to justify the price itself though. Dual X5675 with 48GB of ram, was not worth anywhere close to $700 in 2019. I just checked and a similarly specced R710 have been selling for only £120 on ebay... Even in 2019 they were only ~£150, and even less in the US, this wasn't worth more than $200.
Look up "My 20 core/40 thread, 128gb ram "budget" (~$600) home server build" on reddit. Dude shows a build of dual 10 core E5-2660v2 CPUs with 128GB of memory for only $600. Much much better performance, much better power consumption, more RAM, and cheaper...
@@lost4468yt in the technology space, the price and performance ratio changes daily, with that said.. I wouldn't make the same comparison that I did a year ago. While I do think recycling/reusing is awesome, I couldn't justify going this old verse newer tech.
@@paulscomedyclips Yeah I agree with reusing old equipment. I think this is pretty much on the barrier though, as it was the generation after this that dramatically dropped power usage. Our R710 uses like 220W at idle, which is ridiculous.
But things like the E3/E5/etc, especially v2 ones, I think should be reused for a very very long time. They use much less idle power, and they're still more than powerful enough for most server applications. Because computational requirements have simple stopped increasing. I think that something like an E5 v2 or even v1 CPU will likely hold up well for at least the next decade, possibly even much longer.
@@lost4468yt you are right. I bought the same stuff in 2015 for the same amount of money. Z800 is getting very old now ( it is PCIe-2). I don't know why this guy was expecting something amazing. It is 2009 architecture. In 2019 is certainly not a bargain anymore. In 2021 it is not worth it. A 6 core amd ryzen 5 is way better than this and 3-4 times less power hungry. Even the z820 now is old. I am still keeping that beast for running old software because it has got 72gb ram, which is still a lot, but I will have to buy a new one some times in the future besides my personal PC. Besides, it runs very hot and noisy during the summer...
@@paulscomedyclips well for 200 dollars I got a CPU that has never bottlenecked by GTX 700 4GB and I got 24 GBs of cheap RAM for free and a whole ass computer it's a T7500 btw I consider it worth it for 250 dollars
I have a Z400 (the little brother to that machine), and I just put a PCIe USB3 5 port card in it to alleviate the slow USB transfer issue. Even though you can't overclock these machines, they're pretty much bulletproof for an everyday driver (the Z400 more so than the Z800, since it has a normal power supply). Mine is only a single Xeon W3580, but then again, I only paid $109 for it on Ebay, with free shipping!
nice video. I guess the cooler should rotate 90 degrees to have the best airflow like the stock coolers were attached.
In terms of specs, they are like a MAC PRO 5,1 but more expandable. They can be upgraded with modern SSDs, USB cards, and yes, even NVME drives. I have one of these motherboards put in a giant custom tower PC case, because its huge and can't even fit EEB cases like Fractal define 7 XL. There are aftermarket PSU cables for $10 to use a regular PC power supply (at least 600W 80+ gold). Total cost : $250 for board, 2 xeons, 48GB ram, ATX cable, 2 larger coolers with fans. Not bad. And many use cases, from Hackintosh to workstation, server, etc
Great video Dawid! Got the performance and the looks, great build ;D
And the final wipedown lol
Haha!! Had to clean that shit up. :P
Thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I bought mine 3 years ago. From an eBay seller I could configure the base options I got 2 5675's with 128 gigs of ram. my current upgrades are an old PCI-E io Fusion SSD(75 dollars for what was a 5K drive? Yes please.) I have also changed the old 2 gig Quadro for a 1070 Geforce. My 800 runs like a dream
You could have run the appropriate sized tap through the mounting holes.
was thinking the same thing till I saw exactly how he was painting the side panels and at that point figured that it was amazing enough he knew how to operate a power tool let along have a tap and die set
@@mathewhoffer4541 True that ;)
I have a old HP workstation that even today will crush a Ryzen 5800x in multithreaded workloads.... The box has 2x E5-2699 v4's for a total of 44 cores, 88 threads and a max boost clock of 3.6GHz... With the 128GB of DDR4 in 8 channel, It will casually push out a little of 30,000 points in Cinebench R23... Short of buying into Threadripper 2990W again (which I'm not about to do) nothing comes remotely close for the type of workloads I put on this rig (scientific astrophotographic analysis/processing)... All that matters for my workloads is cores and ram. IPC only matters IF you have more cores... So with my 88 cores, 128gb of ram and a 2560 cuda cores in the machine as well, I couldn't think of a better machine... All up it cost me FAR less than buying even a Ryzen 7 5800x CPU and 16Gb of DDR4 3200..
We from Namibia love the T-SHIRT!!!!!!
$40 USB 3.1 PCI-E Add in card with usb-c
makes the world of difference
"as far as cpu coolers go im not going to use those... danty loser coolers" haha! i love you dawid
Thats awesome you built a usable workstation out of 1366 socket,1366/x58 is a long living and quite powerful platform,not many even later platforms could out live it. Though my old x58 990x OC'd to 4.6Ghz scores just over 2,000 in R20 on water and it still has room if your willing to crank the voltage a little high. If you could get the bios one of the commenters mentioned below to enable slight overclocking you'd have a little beast on your hands.
USB to slow. *It's a server. it has expansion slots. Get a usb card :)
Dawid, I like a lot the background music choices you make into your videos. Superb! Cheers
Wait... HOW did you accidentally set the gpu on fire? What did you do and why that happened
likely the poor choice of an open tower concept,,, there's a reason components are supposed to be enclosed. I couldn't believe he is using these on any build for some one else.
Dawid and your crazy weird projects, I really enjoy watching all your videos.
Couldnt you just add a pcie to usb 3.0 to have usb 3.0?
Haha!! Yeah, I really could have. It was just an observation after finishing the build.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff figured I would mention it. Sometimes people overlook things that would be obvious to them if they were watching someone else.
I added one to mine and it never really worked that well. Lots of debate online which card works well with.
Those old Xeons were beasts. I'm still using my old W3690 here.
Smell of "Hackintosh"
This build is worth it if you actually do server stuff, and use the gigantic amount of RAM.
For gaming, 600€ can get you a complete build with gtx 1660 and ryzen 5 2600, that'll do 20% more FPS. Also plug and play, no risk, warranty, modern motherboard, support for the next 10 years... But yeah, not quite as sexy as a dual Xeon setup :D
I'd say a lot of these machines will come into their own when games get into more threads
All or a sudden..oh wow!!
and by that point the CPU will be to old and the best GPU you could put in it will also be to old
the game would need to be programed to make use of 2 cpu's if the computer has it.
@@skarloey2334 master slave
I bought a "Huananzhi X99" TF motherboard and a "2678v3" processor 12 cores 24 threads from Aliexpress a month ago, and it took me 218$, for such powerful hardware. I fixed a fixed turbo boost for all 3.3 GHz threads, reduced the voltage using the "EFI" driver(-50Mlv) which helps keep the turbo boost 3.3 GHz, even under heavy load.
I wish there was footage of the flaming graphics card.
Haha!! Same here, it was pretty crazy.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff wait so you gpu actually went up in flames? Is it possible for that to happen with your average daily driver kind of pc or basic gaming pc?
@The One I had a power supply explode. Sounded like a gunshot and the computer went out. Room stunk of electrolytics for over an hour.
@The One it was quite the event. All is fine though!
@@ProfessorFartsalot Ah shit, that makes me so afraid of buying cheapo PSU
I haven't watched your video in its entirety but a simple way to tell if a part is bad is it will overheat due to the short, . So find the short instead by finding its indicator, HEAT. Spray FreeOn (that was is/was it's trade name) or similar refrigerant on the board and that defective part will be the one whereupon the frosty freeze has melted. That is a good first clue to fixing it with a component and a soldering iron instead of replacing the full board blindly in the hope whatever was bad is replaced. That way of fixing stuff is like kitchen sinking it or carpet bombing it.
Failure is the best teacher. Good job rising to the occasion.
This is exactly what I did with the Dell Precision T7500. the second CPU is in via a riser card, but I got it running fine with 96gb of ram, a GTX 1060, a PCIe USB3.0 card, and one of those cheap 5.25" bay internal multi-card readers with USB 3.0 on the front side too. I put in a tape drive from an old Dell 500SC so I could archive old data, and I didn't really have anything else to use it for once I upgraded to the Ryzen 7 3800x, it outperformed it by quite a bit so I demoted this system to an incredibly overpowered Plex server and NAS.
you've got me with that Europe quote.. :D
I use one of these Z800 towers. Its a great machine and is an absolute beast at video editing. Mine's got dual Xeon X5660 @2.8 GHz, 176 GB DDR3 ECC registered RAM, a GTX 1080 8GB, 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO boot drive, 2 TB Samsung 860 EVO for games, and a 14 TB WDC easystore shuck for general storage.
My Z800 tower was free, as I grabbed it out of a dumpster. The CPU upgrades were free, as they were given to me from my IT teacher (the tower originally had a single X5560 Nehalem, ouch). My GTX 1080 8 GB was $330, 500 GB SSD was $70, 2 TB SSD was like $300, 14 TB EasyStore was like $180, and RAM was $180 for 192 GB. The last stick died, so I'm with 176 GB. So overall, it was like $880 to upgrade this from its stock single X5560, 4 GB of RAM, Quadro FX1800, and 250 GB spinning drive to its current configuration.
"Ok, so we'll just have to take a quick moment to appreciate the fact that i'm a genius.." =)))))) EPIC
About 2 years ago I bought a HP Pavilion laptop for $639. It came with a Intel i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz(4.1 GHz Turbo), NVidia GeForce 1650 Ti(4GB), 16GB SD RAM Memory, Western Digital 1 TB m.2 SSD. I'm pleasantly surprised how well it's held up. I do a lot of video editing, 3d models, and it has no problem with all the newer games. The only 1 thing that I wish it could handle better is when using Unreal when trying to make virtual on set environments, and Unity when adding a lot of 3d models and characters for making video games. I guess what I'm trying to say is that bigger isn't always better.
Did you turn on hypertreading in the bios ? Because when i got mine hypertreading was turned off .
The 1366 bracket legs are tapped M3. All you need is a set of 10mm long brass hex stand-offs to screw the feet of the coolers into.
I bought one of these new and I still have it
Do you think I should buy a 1070 super? or is there a comparable option for cheaper?
Could've thrown a 2 X 5690 in there, but still no overclocking that chip.
You can overclock that chip, just not on a server motherboard. You can do so on a normal single socket x58 board, or an SR-2 if you can get your hands on it lol
Have a similar setup, z600 with a gtx1060, 24GB DDR3 and dual x5675 (6 core). And my two boys has a z400 each with a X5687 3.6@3.86ghz and that outperforms my rig in gaming, but mine rocks in demanding tasks where all 12 cores get to work. The z400 is a hidden gem for budget gaming. RAM and fast xeon CPU's for the 1366 socket are cheap on ebay.
you called HP customer service asking how to diagnose and fix a defected psu (internal components) .... seriously !
Yes
Their service is shit.
Dude. Thank you for wearing a NAMIBIA T-Shirt on this Video! Im gna make sure all Namibians I know see this Video.... big ups to you
Cool build. You could've gotten more bang for your dollar with a Z820 you already knew worked. But then, where's the fun in that, right?
You can rest assured the stock coolers are going to be all you will ever need.
16 year old workstation here that was stock cooled for 5 years hard service and a further 10+ years intermittent hard service with a couple of uprated Xeons. One of the best the board supports is adequately cooled by the stock cooler. It's quite loud but hey ho.
These things are designed to bulletproof.
Luv and Peace.
"why isn't the screen turning on" - classic wife
The Z800 is a brilliant machine - I've also installed Windows 11 on them with no problems - the only thing you can't do is boot to an NVME - but they do run on it at about 1800Mb/Sec!
They make a PCIe adapter for this.
@@om3ga85 Yes I know I have some - but you can't install an OS on it.
How on earth do you manage to set fire to a graphics card by wiggling around a power connector on the motherboard? 🤔🤯
GPUs can get up to 75w from the pcie slot directly
@@The123tactics Any modern psu has over current/shortcut protection and fuses as do graphics cards.. I've build hundreds of systems never seen something actually go up in smoke. 🤔
@@FullFledged2010 that's a quadro 4000 it was older
can confirm I have seen a nunber of components go up in smoke on server platforms... They lack a lot of the standard protections you might find in consumer hardware from my experiences. (components killed - Delta High RPM Fan, Vega64, Dell PowerEdge T620 Motherboard, and WD Gold HDD) not sure how I killed the fan.... the fan cables had litterally melted and the fan let out magic blue smoke... mind boggles. Vega 64 smoldered to a husk by me running -12V through the card, T620 motherboard died from idk just heard a pop one day and the board never turned on again smelt like sonething fried but never could find visible damage. On consumer grade boards never killed a single thing. Servers are unforgiving and you do anything incorrectly no matter how minor something will die
Here in Germay the older dual socket baords and server are super cheap.
I recently bulit a 2U IBM x3650 M2 with two Xeon 5650 (2*6c) and 48GB RAM for under 100€/$100
But my pride is my 500€/$550 Dual Xeon 2680, 16 Core Workstation with 160GB DDR3 ECC and some parts i had over. It's completly passive cooled and gets about 2000 points in CB R15 :)
power consumption??? ;)
"sacrificial GTX285" You can certainly tell this is from 2019. GTX 285 cards are getting over $100 on eBay right now
I still run a z600 as my main work computer.
Hi, what processors do you use?
@@nikolamijic Dual X5670
and did you installed them into the z600 ?
@@nikolamijic yep.
@@Phunker1 can we connect? nikolamijic AT gmail
I built a Z800 with dual 5690s, 96 gigs of memory and a 1080 ti a couple of years ago. One of the funnest builds I've done and I'm still using it.
Main thing about putting one of these together is if you need copious amounts of memory but don't want to give up a kidney, this is definitely a viable route. Obviously, these CPUs are no longer dyno queens but they will still get the job done and game pretty good while they're at it.
Once you go Workstation... it's difficult to return to desktop rubbish :)
plus a shit load of Pcie lanes
this is one of your best I ever enjoyed a GTX 1080ti would have been more badass since this is and awesome build.
Beautiful awesome look...excellent server and Video editing..