Why Ground Zeroes is a Perfect Stealth Experience
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes is one of the best experiences available in the entire franchise currently. And if you missed out on giving it a go that's something you need to fix ASAP. Here's a video that may or may not convince you to go and do just that.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:23 - Part 1: Tactical Espionage
8:48 - Part 2: More Than a Demo
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The grab the cassette tape mission is actually super interesting because the cassette you grab is actually a dud and the real cassette can be found when you confront the insider gent who will then tell you the real location. He reveals that the one he put out for you is fake in a dialogue with his buddy that you can totally miss because he just says it when chilling with the other guard
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT THIS IS SO COOL
That whole philosophy is the core of this game and the next game. Always seeking more information thru playing the missions again and again. What would normal be "easter eggs" in other games are integral to figuring out all of the story and the gameplay.@@Ghooly
A dud!
@@yeoremuthare677😂
People are so quick to say mgsv had like 0 story but they just didn’t explore like you mentioned. THAT kind if ludonarrative is how the story is primarily conveyed. That and the tapes. The cutscenes are the big moments, but the mysteries and intrigue are IN the gameplay, found through exploration and replaying missions
when I first bought MGSV from my local game shop they accidentally put the Ground Zero disk in the game case instead of MGSV. I played for a little while before realising it wasn't MGSV and I am glad I tried it out. It was almost like I paid for MGSV, got to play GZ as a demo for free then went back and got the disk swapped for no extra cost !!
Pretty good mistake!
Also surprised to see they helped you out if it was game stop you would’ve been screwed
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
GZ is MGSV.
@@trey__918 MGSV is both GZ and TPP
Legendary rare positive GameStop moment.
This game tears me apart because phantom pain is one of my favorite games but even I can’t justify why the open world is that big with that little to do. The design of the camp in GZ is better than any map in phantom pain.
I think the map is big to just walk and traverse with rather then doing the stuff around the map
@@DailyDoseofShortsVideosno it’s because the game is unfinished and planned more to do but never got to do it
To be fair, you barely need to traverse it. There are few missions that actually make you go through it and you always have other options other then walking. In the open world you can basically call a taxi either from helicopters or the boxes around bases to be even faster.
@@zzodysseuszz wrong
@@Cool_Adam if it's not unfinished it's empty bland and boring.
The open world is really bad, there's no point to it.
To me though comparing to previous releases the game does feel somewhat unfinished or rather quite rushed.
I loved Ground Zeroes. The atmosphere of the main mission is awesome and the map is used to great effect with each unique mission. Liked the one with taking out the sniper team. Lot of content
In all honesty, that mission might just well be the best stealth experience we ever got in a video game. Considering stealth games are pretty much dying out, i can't see anything else topping it moving forward.
Realism and a more grounded gameplay is the reason as to why i preferred Ground Zeroes to MGSV.
Sure, it was basically a demo that only had one mission but that whole facility infiltration and atmosphere it had really felt like MGS1 all over again which is why i loved it.
thou tbh i liked venom's character more than bigboss
Totally agree
In my opinion GZ is not the most “buttery smooth” gameplay in the whole metal gear franchise since that title goes to TPP.
i dont care so much that it reminds me of mgs1, that game gets enough fanservice, its more that its a very well designed and meticulously pitched together experience. There is never a sense that things are a time waster, and the map is just really fun to get through.
@@jmgonzales7701Tell me you never played MGS3 without telling me
This game introduced me to the metal gear series as a free ps plus game back in 2015. Been hooked ever since.
Didn't realize how quickly time went by "It's been nine years" lmao
The intro had me hooked. The vibe of this series is the style of games i love, and also just my personal interests match the writing and inspirations for the games. Classic
setting a metal gear game in a recreation of Guantanamo bay was raw as fuck and almost for the setting alone i find myself replaying gz fairly often.
Always thought that looking MGSV as a whole Ground Zeros was the best mission, be the great level design and story. Heck the side quest were better thought out than most in Phantom Pain, I really wishes that the main game were segmented in big areas like Camp Omega rather than a big open world
It was the best mission of MGSV and it was the better produce cutsenes and story. Its funny how perspective changes things since GZ was "divisive" in 2014 because it was short but that short segment was amazing and when you go to the rest of MGSV yes it's longer and smoother but better? I don't think so. It ended up been the most important segment of the entire game.
Also that GZ mission is the only MGS chapter that you can say it's very dark and realistic with no campiness like we have in all the rest of the series. Its very strange how Kojima treated GZ and I wonded why was that aproach taken for only one short mission but was abandoned in TPP. I guess that was the point of been a phantom I guess.
I think the main reason GZ shines brighter as a stealth game over TPP is because in GZ you don't have the freedom to approach from any angle. You don't have the security of being able to disengage at any time and come back from the other side.
Though in TPPs defense I will say MGS games have always been a 'choose your own difficulty' game. If you don't like supply drops don't use them. If you don't like buddies don't use them. I for one cannot stand tranquilizers. I think they make things way to easy but the beauty of MGS is you don't have to use it. There's no point where it's required.
You can try to argue "I shouldn't have to limit myself for a game to be good" and in most cases I would say you are right... but not when it comes to MGS. As I said you choose your own experience in these games and the games are built in such a way that you are able to do just that. You can absolutely go OSP on any mission only relying on CQC/Knife. I mean the game even lets you turn off all hud elements if you think marking makes things to easy.
Story telling aside, just purely looking at variety and gameplay, TPP is one of the best in the series. Great assortment of weapons (even if they're not real) that are fully customizable to your liking. Plenty of outfits to suit whatever style you like. So many fun toys to support the three main gameplay styles. Those being perfect stealth, lethal stealth and weapons free. (if you think going loud isn't an MGS thing to do let me just point you towards the forced encounters in previous games like the stairwell in MGS1) And a pretty sizeable modding community for extra content. (currently playing as MGS2 Snake with David Hayter's voice and loving it)
My main complaint is the variety of sneaking type locations. You've got Afghanistan (desert), central Africa (plains/jungle), FOBs (Big Shell)... but where's the urban maps? I know there's a few bases in the game but there's not enough indoor facility type sneaking to scratch that MGS1 itch. You've got everything else but it's missing a MGS1 style map. I modded the GZ map into TPP and it's amazing but even that isn't quite the same as MGS1. Someone please make an arctic map with heavy focus on indoor facility infiltration... If it had that I believe TPP (gameplay wise) would be the definitive MGS experience.
Oh and one more complaint about TPP... Skullface is such a weak villain and you don't even get a boss fight with him. But that's not really a gameplay complaint.
I feel people honestly just get held up on the fact that the game is supposedly unfinished. Even though Kojima himself said it was. I mean just look at all the prior games. Especially MGS4. His full vision was never realized in any of them. So TPP isn't any different.
There is a LOT to talk about with TPP and I don't even necessarily loathe it. I've got a very complicated relationship with it though. But the idea that it isn't feature complete is ridiculous I agree. I don't know why some people still parrot that as the truth when it's been refuted so many times.
@@Ghooly Just to clarify I do agree with your takes in this video. I don't know why I started ranting Lol.
@@NeuroticMei lmao thanks. It was a really interesting read though I love hearing metal gear rants haha
@Ghooly the biggest thing about tpp is the organisation of the mother base. Why do I have to organise it, I almost just got Merked by a small ginger in a straight jacket, now you want me to go find hundreds of top notch soldiers some desert in Africa?!?!?
Skullface is amazing just jn a TPP kind of way. The game is Very different to the rest of the series and jts not a problem hat theres No „bossfight”. Thematicalyl and story wise, skullface is fucking amazing and gives such a great loop on the whole series
If we ever get a delta style remake of Peace Walker, I would hope that it's made of several maps like the GZ prison camp.
I mean, Peace Walker Remake is definitely going to happen, and I think you are going to be right- Peace Walker
I mean, Peace Walker Remake is definitely going to happen, and I think you are going to be right- Peace Walker
I mean, Peace Walker Remake is definitely going to happen, and I think you are going to be right- Peace Walker
I mean, Peace Walker Remake is definitely going to happen, and I think you are going to be right- Peace Walker
Fucking hope a peace walker remake happens so we can play as stupid sexy MSF bandana-less BB again lol
This and Tanker of MGS2.
Totally agree. Playing this game on hard with all the HuD and markers off is the best MGS/Stealth game I ever played. Holding up every guy in every mission had me more engaged than TPP ever did.
I have been saying for years, MGS is best when you are in a closed, mini-sandbox with a goal to achieve or reach; Peace Walker was exactly that, and it was in a lot of way the best way to play.
Phantom Pain was just TOO MUCH:
- Mother Base ? The novelty of visiting it wore off pretty quickly.
- Getting from one outpost on the map to another ? Tedious.
- The weapons, items, and vehicles ? Un-necessary.
Ground Zeroes was the closest to MGS perfection. If Phantom Pain was like it and Peace Walker (select a mission from the menu, get immediately dropped in, fulfill the objective, and exit the mission area), that would have been much better than what we got.
Totally. MGSV was such a failure in so many ways.
I think it gives much more freedom and creativity to the player. Which is why I think it's one of the best games of 2010s by far
Your second and third points contradict each other.
MgsV is a fantastic stealth game in part because the open world allows you to make your own approach, theres no reason to say that open world isnt a better idea than levels, if they remade shadow moses but stuck it on a big map why would you complain?
@@daniel8181 The open world in The Phantom Pain is terrible. It's genuinely the worst open world I've ever seen in a game. It's so plain and boring with nothing but blank pointless land in between outposts and bases. At least Ghost Recon: Wildlands let you use helicopters and planes to get around.
@@TheFirstCurse1 You seem like one of those people needs to find a reason to complain.
Ignoring that you have a jeep dropped off with you by default, and can call one any time, What exactly do you want in the space between?
I happened to have the game installed, so I booted up and it seems the longest distance between two two bases is Hunokua nioka station to nova braga airport, in between are two smaller camps.
I attempted to ignore the camps and drive right on through, but was shot all to hell and died, so we can assume that the camp is a valid enough place to consider a point of interest, keeping that in mind, here are the times I recorded not between contact and material, contact and animal, not even contact and contact, the following are times between deadly contact and deadly contact as recorded by a Casio A158We (known for its accuracy):
In Jeep: 00.25.28
On Foot (sprinting): 00.36.66
kiss my ass, find something else to complain about.
It will captures the felling of, military espionage.
While the phantom menace, feels more like gorilla wars.
Love both games
Only thing that bothered me was holding up an enemy doesn't change their icon above their head. So you don't know where the non held up enemies are. Also the dive has you stand up after diving if you hold forward. In TPP you stay crawling after diving.
I feel like I’m one of the only people that prefer GZ over the actual game TPP.
Trust me you aren't alone.
Pretty crazy tbh
Anyone with half a brain cell would. The production value alone is so obvious within the first few minutes of each game.
You literally aren’t the only one I have seen a lot of people preferring GZ over TPP both for wrong and good reasons
EVERYONE IN THIS COMMENT IS SAYING THAT, YOU AREN'T SPECIAL
You can or could download an app to your phone or tablet that acts as your pause screen, having a touch screen map on your lap while playing worked great, you could just glance down on occasion and still control snake. If it's still doable, I'd try it.
when i got my xbox my cousin gave me this game to try out and originally i thought to myself “i won’t get that interested in the game, although i’ll definitely give it a try” as it was my first non-racing game for my console. 5 years later and that very game has led me into a rabbit-hole of the mgs universe and stealth games
Fox engine runs so smooth on anything, a toaster can run it 60fps easy
Open world for MGSV was pretty useless. I wish the focus was more on a linear campaign that drops you in relatively smaller but focused playgrounds.
Funny enough, it was Far Cry 3 that introduced me to the "get the high ground, mark enemies, scout and plan the attack" gameplay loop.
Can't get enough of this since. Ground Zeroes and MGSV were both masterpieces. They could come out today, 10 years later, they still would be 10/10 games.
MGSV was not a masterpiece in any way, shape, or form. The story was rushed and unfinished, the open world is one of the worst I've ever experienced, there's no difficulty options whatsoever leading to an extremely easy (to the point of being boring and lame) experience, etc.
@@TheFirstCurse1 The story was finished, people were just mad because they didn't get their fix of cringe anime moments and endless exposition.
The open world is not an open world, it's a sandbox used to connect missions.
The difficulty is up to you, and what you're up to use to beat missions. No point in filling it with stupid events, like in AC or FC, so ADHD kids won't get bored. "Man I walked in the desert for 2 whole minutes and nothing happened, that sucks".
Did you use air support every mission, resulting in a B rank max ?
What about the gameplay, the most important aspect of every video game ? Is it bad too ?
@@Palindrome3945 No, the story quite literally was not finished. There's unfinished cutscenes and the story feels incomplete. You can't even argue against that fact.
It 100% is an open world. You can't argue against that either. And you trying to defend how empty and lifeless it is is pathetic. It's objectively one of the worst open worlds in any game, and everyone besides apparently you agrees with that statement.
As for difficulty, even with the least amount of equipment possible and using a sneak suit during daytime it's still too easy. Stop defending the horrible decision to not have a difficulty option. The game is so easy that it's boring.
The gameplay is amazing, but it carries an otherwise terrible game. If it wasn't for the great gameplay it'd be one of the worst games I've ever played. However it can only carry it so far.
You know you have to support your claims, instead of just saying things you wish were true out of nowhere ?
You affirm a lot, saying I can't argue (it's funny because I did argue, but you just repeated your claims without arguing back yourself) but don't bring arguments yourself.
Anyway, I don't really care about your opinion about this game tbh. Stay mad. @@TheFirstCurse1
I really, really admire how GZ handled the stealth. It was such an unparalleled experience... I find myself going back to the game from time to time.
Despite how flawed TPP is, I still consider it my favourite game from the entire series, second to MGS2.
Every single facet of TPP was genuinely some of the most fun I've ever had playing a video game - the radio chatter, the buddy system, the attention to detail, all of it culminated for a fantastic experience. For me personally, of course.
This is to say that, I do believe GZ handled just about everything better stealth-wise relative to TPP, but I still prefer the latter over the former.
Great video, by the way!
Deus ex was so great at making a sandbox stealth level...not open world, yet so many ways to tackle a mission
Human revolution?
My favorite game ever! Favorite series ever😂 Great analysis! Thank you! Can’t wait for Metal Gear Solid: Delta!
Should have had an entire game of Ground Zeroes type levels. It would have felt like a modern version of chaos theory.
I honestly like this more than Phantom Pain. I don't know why people still hold a grudge against this game just because the price of it was insane (at the time).
The game was short that’s why
Don't get me wrong, I love messing about with the enemies in The Phantom Pain, But GZ really has that hand crafted feel that makes MGS games so great.
I have played every MGS at release going back to MGS1. Glad to see a celebration of GZ here. It's often overlooked for Phantom Pain (which I think is the best one, despite it's flaws) but I loved playing GZ. I think I'll replay it right now.
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nah mate, TPP is easily THE worst MGS game ever created. It instantly soured the entire franchise, and made people loathe Kocknami for all eternity. For a good reason.
@@GugureSuxTPP had the best gameplay and is not the worst metal gear game lmao . Replay ability and gameplay goes to TPP easily but environment and stealth goes to GZ
@@GugureSuxratio
Classical intel acquisition, I played that one way different on my first time than the short clip that was shown, I took the truck to its end destination, and hold up a guard in the basement, he was talking sussy and gave me the cassette, it was not the spy Kaz was talking about.
GZ is the goat of metal gear, while I love open world stealthing, I love that I can finish gz in a sitting and the level is really dynamic.
I would like to know opinion on the Hitman series. If you enjoy replaying the same level with different approaches, challenges and missions you'd be right at home with Hitman Trilogy. That was a great video btw. New sub !
Entirely agree! I put more time into GZ and loved the vibe. It felt more like MGS that TFP.
You had me until the end. While I agree Ground Zeroes is such a great game, The Phantom Pain expanded the design and your personal arsenal. You can repeat any of the missions and complete them with a variety of different strategies like GZ. Your imagination is given even more agency in TPP than GZ.
Anyways, I still enjoyed the video and thanks for sharing. We all could use more Metal Gear in our entertainment lives.
I'm excited to try out GZ soon. Still wish that Big Boss wore some camo in the day missions because a dark suit with golden bands under daylight isn't remotely covert. LOL
It’s just Kojima / Shinkawa art-style. He has a knack for space-type outfits with futuristic add-ons here and there.
@@SaveliySakharov I noticed that Big Boss gets the more flashy sneaking suits compared to Solid Snake. My fave one of BB is the one from Portable Ops.
I wish modders could be able to bring back the more heavier movement and cqc from gz to pp.
Turn off markers in display settings and use mods to increase soldiers sight and hearing. Now it’s more realistic on top of how awesome is already is.
It's insane to think that I bought ground zeroes in my PS3 XD the fox engine was so well optimized.
I went back to 100% GZ after 100%ing TPP and the increased difficulty of GZ (increased guard vision, claustrophobic level) was very much appreciated. Sometimes in the TPP the immersion was broken for me because of how much they toned down the guard vision, thankfully on PC with Infinite Heaven you can bump it up. I wish there were more locations like Camp Omega in TPP. Nova Braga airport, OKB Zero, and FOBs capture some of it, but don't really hold a candle to Omega. I was a bit miffed when I realized that there were almost no building interiors at the Afghanistan Central Basecamp. Also agree with the daytime levels as well, are there even any missions in TPP that force daytime?
Solid video! (Pun intended) Really well paced and super chill to watch, keep up!
Thank you!
Like 10 years late to the party but this convinced me to give it a shot
Hope you enjoy it!
Great video it makes me wanna play Ground Zero.
I haven't yet played the Metal Gear Solid 5 games.
GZ is the definition of " another simple mission for the Legendary Big Boss, but everything is smelling reeeaally bad"
Your use of music from the first Tekken Tag Tournament just gave me a major nostalgia blast mate! I was also shocked that I enjoyed Ground Zeroes more than The Phantom Pain.
Oh dang we got a Tekken enjoyer here. Great video, now I'm itching to dowload GZ again.
that tekken 4 music in the background you’re cultured
Very appreciated thank you for this ❣️
One thing I noticed with Ground Zeroes that was annoying was how the aiming worked with "points". As in when using a scoped weapon, you could only turn the scope in certain increments, instead of smoothly. I literally could not snipe one of the enemies in a guard tower because the aiming would jump between two spots when trying to slightly adjust my aim and he happened to stand in between those 2 spots the game decided I could aim at.
I just replayed geound zero recently. its such a tightly made experience, it was really enjoyable! A lot of full blown games you go back too have a lot of faf or demand a real time sink, but a retrospective virtue this game is its really high fun-to-timesink ratio.
For example Compared to some of the annoyances of TPP like the long drives between locations.
Another awesome thing about MGS GZ is that it runs GREAT on the steam deck. I recently went on vacation and ended up 100% the game. Great game to have on the go for a quick stealth badass fix when you need it!
It's crazy how Ground Zeros clears Phantom Pain in almost every gameplay metric. As well as atmosphere and writing.
I 100% agree with this video. Im literally playing ground zeroes whilst watching this lmao.
In this game we played as Big Boss in his actual prime, with experience, skill and confidence in his role. In the MGSV:TPP, well you know how it goes. It makes sense that his Big Boss feels much more grandiose.
Really good video, nice gameplay :) I really enjoyed GZ back then. Keep up the good work man :)
Thank you very much!
I wonder...
The cardboard box can represent a sort of safety, as you said, but through the events of GZ we see that Mother Base is no longer safe. The threat seems to see all, know all. They were comfortable, safe, in their "box" (Mother Base) and now they no longer have that safety. So we no longer have our cardboard box.
Their "cardboard box" cant protect them from the rain.
Just like all the imagery (E-52-3) and dialogue through MGSV; GZ is a mirror image of TPP.
GZ was stealthy (no tools). TPP was all out war (all the tools).
In my first playthrough of the main mission, I think I killed somewhere around 75 guards because I got caught and a tank was right there so there was no reason not to get in and start shooting
Great videos dude amazing work, I would love to see a comparison between ground zeros and phantom pain. Ground zeros feels more “grounded” pun intended and more realistic feeling while phantom pain feels kind of off I’ve noticed and I’ve never really seen anyone talk about it
This is weird for a game like this, I was wsiting for Phantom pain but for some reason, I grew with this. It's something special in a lot of ways and when it was made. A fan and kojima that made for the fans and was fun. But also the stealth, the machanics and atmosphere. Compare to tpp you got levels that have different atmospheres but the same sandbox, and where the enemies are placed that make it feel differently in its angles, like you get a characteristic of each of the position's of people and they are perivced where they are placed, just like in mgs2. But what is very interesting is that many things will be going off while your not present. And that tells alot. Information gose by very sutblely and swiftly and you go back for more of it. I still play it till this day. And aswell the anti-gun level with the clear blue atmosphere, gives this early 2010s feel, in some weird way. Just everything was back then and nice.
Your accent twists more than a Metal Gear story. I like it.
The game was so smooth and well optimized 😢😢
Wish more games had the fox engine
I would have liked to know how it's better than the full game, I hope you talk about this in the video dedicated to it
congrats for scoring a TD with the algo on this video, I'll have a look at your previous ones
UA-cam's algorithm really pushed this one , i love the video mate. One more sub added to your channel
Aggree, this is the best stealth game ever. I wish MGSV would've had the same level design,.
stealth perfection is a title I’d give to the hitman games, everything feels alive, stealth feels simple yet complicated, failing anything has consequences, but the thing that fails could be a chandelier under the target.
I'm glad people are finally coming around on Ground Zeroes, I remember plenty of people were upset that it was "too short" but after playing Phantom Pain I became disappointed that it wasnt as tightly designed as Ground Zeroes. Imo, Ground Zeroes is the best set of missions in all of mgs5, and thats rather unfortunate. Phantom Pain has so many problems that simply werent an issue in ground zeroes due to its laser focus on pure stealth action
Big Boss is the greatest war hero/war criminal that’s ever lived!
When i was playing ground zeroes i felt something was off, like the controls weren’t as tight as they could be. Then i started playing mgsv. The controls are perfection in that game. In conclusion, i think mgsv is the perfect stealth game
The stealth and level design is really great on mgsv. Since you like it i would strongly recommend to try hitman world of assasination trilogy. Its not open world of course but each level is open-ended with many many ways to deal with the targets, very replayable too and kinda goofy sometimes. I can see many similarities on those two games and even though they are very different i think that if someone enjoy mgsv will enjoy hitman too
I'm a gigantic Hitman WOA fan those games are incredible.
I agree with everything said in this video, Ground Zeroes is a perfect stealth experience. In defense of TPP, it is much more fun when you let go and start experimenting with everything it offers you, I enjoyed it much more on my second playthrough.
No wonder Venom Snake was so skill after this training
GZ vs TPP is a prime example and proof that well designed, hand-crafted, relatively compact LEVELS > fuck-huge, generated open world maps.
It's also so unbelievably higher quality GAME than its brother, and also a straight sequel to the equally amazing Peace Walker; the real "MGS5" game that sadly too few people even played.
Let’s not get too deep TPP was a good game easily the most funnest and re playable game in the entirety of metal gear franchise.
There is a spot in camp omega I hardly use is west side of the map where you start from. I hardly go past this camp site area only for.... that prisoner or just taking out the tank in da ja va missions. I would of loved if konami extended the level further. And for some reason I still get updates, for what reason idk.... some for tpp, that only options of stuff have changed but nothing else. But it would be nice to havd more into ground zeros. And go inside the buildings. As its a small game I think it would easily be done fitting more in.
It might sound like a weird take but I think The Last of Us Part II is actually very similar in design to Ground Zeroes. Most levels follow the structure of medium-sized environments with a ton of freedom in terms of which path to take and how to deal with enemies. Obviously the tools at your disposal are very different but the same sense of freedom and sandbox-like level design is very much there in certain levels, and I'd be surprised if Ground Zeroes wasn't a big inspiration for it
I can definitely see where you're coming from there. Some of those levels in tlou2 are really fun to figure out in ways similar to GZ.
I always thought that if they do a bottom up MGS1 remake, Ground Zeroes should be a template. The gameplay, the base, the night setting. Keep the story the same but just flesh out shadow moses
This games had so much potential, its a shame they couldt quite live up to them
Good stuff. More MGS content plz
Mgsv both parts are awesome but lack some megabase the camp omega in gz and okb0 in tpp are both small
It's а real shame that TPP has so few missions where you need to infiltrate some kind of facility, like in GZ. Oil facility, OKB Zero and power plant that you can infiltrate only once because reasons. I wanted to include main soviet base, but it's jut way too open. So we have 3 missions that feels like GZ, but even they aren't as good, as "just a paid demo". It's a real shame
more metal gear love please :)
If the level design of Ground Zeroes is what you prefer compared to TPP then Hitman Blood Money, Deus Ex, and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory are the games for you
i heard somewhere that phantom pain is only 2/3 finished , they have to warp it up because there is some clashes between konami & kojima , is it true ?
Despite what a lot of people say and what you hear Kojima himself actually said that TPP was completely finished and was where he wanted it to be and as far as I'm aware we really only missed out on One mission
Yeah and it's super obvious too. The story doesn't feel finished at all, the open world is super empty with most of the bases being too similar, the upgrade system feels disjointed and wrong, there's no difficulty options, the post game content is just the same missions again but on "hard" difficulty, most of the story missions feel like side ops, etc.
The game is obviously unfinished. I don't know why but I'm assuming it was rushed for one reason or another.
Better than the phantom boredom
This teaser was the reason I got Phantom Pain. I was a bit disappointed that the final game was nowhere near as polished and overdesigned as GZ but I still enjoyed the systems driven gameplay of TPP. GZ felt more like a Hitman level and that was not carried over to TPP sadly.
But have you played SC Chaos Theory tho?
I liked GZ a lot more than TPP because the latter felt “too open.” I very much prefer GZ and the games before it because they’re only partially-open dungeon crawlers basically
well explained, so vantage point is what i was lacking to utilize and made the game annoying no matter how much time i retried, then there are those zombie robots which killed the game for me but i will retry this yet again
Lembro de jogar depois do 4 e pensar uau que incrível e lindo e depois ficar perdido procurando a Paz ao invés de prestar atenção nas fitas 😂...
I’ve been thinking about buying Mgs 5 but I have no idea what the difference is between the phantom pain and ground zero😅
Ground Zeroes is part 1 of the story and The Phantom Pain is part 2.
I think if you look at it from a metal gear perspective it definitely can feel like its lacking but the freedom in tpp is unmatched compared to most single player campaigns now. Its a good way to enjoy metal gear if your not that interested in the story and more focused on the gameplay.
It would definitely be nice to have some more intimidating places to sneak into tho
I feel like tpp was an attempt to bring in a larger player base to the series instead of the long time dedicated fans but the balance could have and should have been better.
Ground Zeroes map layout and mission is still the best and most memorable mission in all of MGS V imo
Tbh a lot of Phantom Pain missions really fell short compared to this
Ground Zero , to me personally, was the last ditch effort at a proper MGS title (granted being a "demo"... 6hr game play aside. Its all extra).
It was fun. It made me feel like I was playing MGS2/3 again for the first time.
Hell, I'm abliged to say that it was.... Pretty Good.
Edit. You've earned my respect and subscription. We'll played fellow.
Oh how I would've loved to see the timeline where MGSV:TPP was just more of GZ.
Camp omega is one of the best map i ever seen. And i like big boss show much more personality than tpp
imagine how cool a full game would be playing as big boss the entire time who is a certified legend. instead of a convoluted story about a guy who thinks he is big boss because of a helicopter accident and some hypnotherapy
I wish Phantom Pain levels were designed more like Ground Zeroes.
TPP isn't bad by any means, but the open world in that game feels shallow compared to camp omega.
I wish they stuck with GZ's formula and released Sandbox Maps akin to Camp Omega instead of the Open World stuff they have
I played GZ for like 30 to 45 mins before I went into TPP
Mgs gz has the best opening of all time
I always liked this better the suspense and atmosphere! Then phantom pain was just far to easy all you go to do is hide behind a hill the bases were far to small to make a impact
It's pretty funny how ground Zeroes takes the Box and camo away to make things a much more realistic Challenge and then TPP says "okay now you can have it back, just play a few hours"
this is how mgs v should have been structered. just very big bases with some area around them