Is The World's Most Expensive Race Bike As Fast As You Think?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2022
- The Olympics represent not only the pinnacle of athletic perfection, but also the forefront of sport technology. The Hope Lotus track bike is the epitome of this technology, combining radical aerodynamics and an incredibly strong carbon fibre construction to create the ultimate track bike. But how much faster is it than a standard track bike? We're in Derby to find out!
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What do you think of the Hope Lotus Olympic track bike? Let us know down below! 👇
Better than your grasp of mathematics.
i could of wooped his ass on my 5 year old daughters bike
Surprised by the time it took to ride 1km. Record is around 56 sec
GCN should now really make a video of how much doping really affects your performance. It’s due now!😬🫣
Well, first this HopeLotus Olympic track bike looks so wonderful and second, aerodynamic technology helps a lot for sure to ride and get some less seconds on any track bike. How much does cost. It is this Hope Lotus available online?
"Ollie's amazing strength and fitness" isn't a phrase we hear very often on GCN
Fortunately for Ollie Wood, the name isn’t synonymous with being dropped 🤷♂️
@@gcn you either drop the part of the surname, or get dropped
😆😆
Is this guy not featured on the channel often?
That’s a bridge too far
Struggling with the math “Almost bang on 4 seconds” - when I was at school this would have been almost bang on 3 seconds!
Closer to 3.5 seconds.
#GCNAlex, you’re better in math usually…
🤷♂️😬🤣
Yes, I was too - 3.07 sec. Just the position from the saddle to bars drop difference could have accounted for much of that.
Yes, in what world is 3.47 seconds almost bang on 4!
The editor put 1:21:06 instead of 1:21:60
It’s 4.01 seconds, you are the one who is struggling with maths (and possibly with hearing also)
gear ratios being the same would be a better test - also could have used power pedals to see the difference
Great point
Plus put him in the same position
@@bonjourmonsieur5280 and on the same width and drop bar may be even add a trispoke. I wreck on it would be around 0.8 to 1 second difference but it could be closer.
But that would mean that GCN would have to do focus on conducting actual journalism instead of mentioning their sponsors every 2 minutes.
@@vfnt that’s not journalism…it’s science
Honestly, with such different frame, wheels(nota to mention drivetrain) i was expecting a bigger difference...
Evidently in competition every fraction is worth a fortune, but this really is an extreme case of diminishing returns!
Just a shame power data wasn't collected... Maybe Ollie wouldn't be confortable sharing that info?
Loved the vídeo, very educative!
Drive train’s difference is minimum. I guess wheels is a big part (tri-spoke+disc vs normal), my guess is 2 seconds are due to that, then position (super bike is obviously lower), then maybe handle bar in the front and other small things. That transfer well to the road too, given same riding position, same wheel/tire, aero gains from frame is minimum.
this did one thign for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
It doesn't make that much of a difference when its going that slowly... at 70kph, its absolutely going to be necessary to compete.
It probably didn't make too much of a difference in such a short time because it takes a while to get up to speed on that big gear
Maybe the rider averaged like 20wats more on the first run... Because with such a small time differance looks like if the rental had just the same wheels would be as fast if not faster...
would of been interesting to see them using the same gear ratio's
And the same body position and bar width setup. I would imagine there’s 2 seconds available, plus the tri spoke must be worth another 0.5 to 1 second. But we’ll never know because gcn is an advertorial for the bike manufacturers.
@@tobycolin6271 Advertorial? But the bike isn't available to buy in shops?
@@Markhypnosis1 gcn would never allow an article to actiallly show how little difference there is between old tech and new. When they tested retro versus modern if they’d optimised the steel Merck and tested against a disc pinarello the disc pinarello f10 may have lost. They used the rim brake pinarello against a bike with 32 mm crossed spokes even if they’d popped in a radial shamal from the 80s they may have shown that we’ve achieved nothing in the last 30 years. A shamal narrowing the bars and hiding the cables would have more than narrowed the gap.
ua-cam.com/video/1mJ06mro5fw/v-deo.html
In the more recent video if Simon had run a modern 2x11 groupset the gap to would have been almost nothing
ua-cam.com/video/cVSBgeOCYfk/v-deo.html
For all the marketing spin the difference aero between a 2010 carbon bike and a modern one is practically zero and only by optimising the test can a modern disc bike beat a steel bike from the 70s.
Groupset updates have done far more for speed than aero.
@@tobycolin6271 Sometimes they just release interesting videos to get views, and not as sponsored advertorials. They still get paid from UA-cam through monetization of their videos.
@@Markhypnosis1yes and I enjoy them but they always gave an outcome that supports their sponsors.
Yes, 3.07 is bang on 4
It's actually 3.47
@@Soda88 damn, those are 100th of a second, not thirds, you are absolutely right. Still rounds up to 3, not gonna correct the original comment for educational purpose
@@feedbackzaloop rounds down
It’s 4.01 seconds, people seem to be hard of hearing…
A competition between two bikes for 2nd place. The Eurobike reigns supreme.
The Eurobike would complete the Hour Record in 59 minutes
"Just go as fast as you can" is a weird way to make a comparison.
You either have to fix the speed and look at power data, or try to get power as even as possible and compare speed.
So in comparison from renting a bike to spending 15k on a bike you save 4 seconds. So nearly 4k a second...bargain 😂
Suuuuure but that was only for 1km, so it's 40s over 10km (the old bike would have been lapped twice on that distance), so a normal Gran Fondo is 400s / almost 7 minutes, that is actually massive (obviously not for the average hobby rider but yeah)
@@Jeppelelle It's the equivalent of 2.3km distance in an hour record attempt. Definitely significant
15k. Which part of the Hope bike are you talking about? :P That's the price for the frame, bars and forks. I believe the GB spec bikes are somewhere just over 25,000 of the Queens finest pounds.
The difference between $2000 and $20000 is an average speed of 1.5 km/h? Is that a lot?
@@vancemccarthy2554 if you want an olympic medal then yes
No comment on rider position being the same, no comment on gearing ratios being the same, tyre pressure, no power data, no warm up run with a bike he has never used before. And only one rep of each... While not quite garbage, this isn't scientific by any stretch of the imagination.
Both times much slower than my ride on a bumpy Kirkby outdoor track to set a qualifying time to compete as a junior in the '81 nationals. Not saying I was faster than Ollie, or my old track iron was faster than either of the bikes on this, but he hardly seemed to bury himself there.
I thought it was unusually fresh for a rider that did a kilo.
I'm not a particularly fast rider but 1 min efforts result in dry heaves, collapsing at the end, and occasionally tasting the last meal again. I guess you can't really do that twice for a video, but still - wouldn't be some dude chatting after 1 recovery ride.
Yes, for a Brit Cycling TEAM member, on a very high quality INDOOR track, I was a bit shocked at how slow those times were, even if the kilo (or any of the timed track events) is not his specialty.
I used to ride 1:18 or better kilos as a junior in the early 1970s, on an 400 meter outdoor track with a surface like Flanders cobbles, in wind, 52x16 gearing, on a bike that makes that 'track rental' steed seems like a modern high tech aero WONDER.
And I was a CLIMBER, NOT a sprinty track rider!
I was expecting a 1:12 or better on the 'slow' bike (even if it was totally wrong for him fit/sizing/gearing wise), and at least a 1:07 on the whiz bang aero tech alien bike from another universe.
I understand that he could not take this too seriously, and put in a full-on, max watt effort, but those rides were probably not even a 'Zone 2' output for him!!
You "should" be able to get a 4s difference just by changing to deeper section wheel. Could have saved Team GB about 14k per bike.
Not to mention the bar width and stack height the rental bike was set up with.
It was only 3 min and 7secs difference. See @ 6:29
@@vyas555 that is 3.7 seconds difference, not 3 min for 1km
@@djdonago1 sorry my bad. Thanks for correcting. Isn't it 3.47 secs?
this did one thign for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
How funny would it be if the first bike would have been faster.
Would be interesting to put a power meter on the bikes, and keep the power consistent, and compare times at the same power output.
The power meter readings are essential, with out its a pointless test
I think we need an Ollie vs. Ollie race!!!!
As Ollie rightly points out - it is likely the tires, wheels, position - bar width! - and maybe not the crazy expensive carbon or very strange design. Up against other real race bikes at the track championships it was pretty clear that it was the riders on those bikes that made them fast - not the bikes. Harry Lavrijsen on his bike up against anyone in the world on the Hope? My money is on Harry.
Surely the next video is how close can you get the hire bike to the Hope bike by upgrading parts.
Gearing would surely be the major factor here !
good grief those are very slow times. age 16 on a piece of crap bike i did somewhere in the 1 21 or 1 22 range... and that was slow back in the 1970s
Even though 3 seconds may not seem like much at first, in a short 10km race that 3 second difference grows to 30 seconds, even if the riders are exactly the same level!
With different gear ratios and tyres there is no way of telling if that bike really is 3 seconds faster than the hire bike.
But hey it helped the GB men to clinch 7th in the Team Pursuit, their worst result since 1996...
The test is nonsense
I would think at least 10 seconds
Surely for a fair test the gear ratios should have been the same. Normally for videos like this we'd be inundated with the details of the gears etc
Hi Aideen, we were comparing the Hope Lotus to a bog-standard hire bike, which comes fitted with the gear ratio featured in the video, maybe looking at how much we could close the gap between the two with easy upgrades would be interesting? 🤔
@@gcn if you can't change the hire bike you could have changed the Hope.
So about 3K per second...
I'll take that track bike anyday.
Would have loved an amateur or GCN presenter to give us context, I bet the difference is a lot less for a norm
More or less 1 second off each lap. So for a rider like me, not really worth the cost differance.
this did one thign for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
it looks cool tho
Is this about 2kph difference? Can someone check it for me? I agree with comments about power meter. Not about changing the bike gear ratio handlebars wheels etc. That's not what the "test" was about.
If you did some stem and bar swapping, you might gain a second on the original set up of the rental bike......PS. How much would that rental bike cost??
It's a bit over 3 seconds difference, not almost 4 seconds
Really thought it would be more. I wonder if they slammed the bars and gave him narrow ones on the hire bike - how much faster that would go?
In korea you can customize the fix gear to look like an olympic track bike.
Would love to see a comparison between a super bike and a top spec bike (or at least one closer to what an enthusiast would ride). Rather than the 2 extremes.
That hire bike is nicer than my own
Would of been interesting to see them using the same gear ratio's and the same tires and tire pressure.
With the level of effort that was put in there, I genuinely thing Hank or Connor would be quicker on the hire bike than Track Ollie on the Hope Lotus…
For having a PhD on staff, I figured that the science would be much better.
Come on - gearing different too!?
This could have been a valid test comparison if an honest effort had been made to match the rider's position on both bikes.
Did gearing match?
What result might have been attained with just the addition of a simple, economical, aluminum, aero clip on bar set to the hire bike followed by a matching fit up?
The Hope bike was not set up for the timed track events either though, albeit yeah, about as aero optimized as any mass start/sprint track machine could be otherwise.
"He's over there with his feet up"
He literally has his feet down.
기어비와 자전거 셋팅 동일하게 해놓고 타면 실제 차이는 아주 미세할 듯 그래도 0.001초를 다루는 트랙경기니 값어치는 있겠지만
yes
So not a "random" superbike but Ollies own.
Great !
Math class mate? That's 3 seconds.
Good maths 3.07 seconds is nearly bang on 4 seconds......
In the UK does 3:07 round up to four minutes?
yes, its science, you add the 3 and the seven the x 4
Does the bike come with pedals?
Alex 3.47 sec wow where were the watts lost?
Less than 1s per lap? Doesn't seem much considering the costs.
Is that Chris boardmans bike
Different 'Lotus bike'
The Hope bike was using a 104 inch gear, the hire bikes are on an 84 inch gear, massive difference
Which is understandable considering who is likely to ride each bike.
4sec in just one km. Got to think how much faster will it be in an hour. There is when tech is put in to work!
I love all the California brands out here in the big leagues; lazer and AM Classic I miss the 420 wheels
Lazer is Belgian.
Should have put the same gear ration on them
I never could understand the weekend warriors paying thousands for bikes. Literally the only time shaving fractions of a second comes into play is when you've reached optimum physical performance and you're in a race where beating someone by an inch matters. This guy saved 3.07 seconds off a kilometer on track conditions. Riding on the road, you'd barely notice a difference between a bike built by NASA or a $169 700c bike from Walmart. When I was commuting on a bike, traveling 40+ miles per day, I took great pleasure flying past $2000+ Specialized and Cannondales on my yard sale Huffy "mountain bike".
I think Alex actually did a faster time on the same bike during an earlier video with Manon… get the feeling that Ollie really wasn’t trying. I’ve been riding track for barely a year and pulled a 1:15 kilo on an outdoor velodrome with cheaper bike than that rental.
Normally love all the track content on the channel, but this was pretty average
46 km/h, very strange / weak for a track specialist
Clearly we caught him on his day off 😅
I suppose we could call the next level above the superbikes the *hyperbikes* like the nomenclature used in the automotive industry.
Did not that chap from Scotland set a record on a bike made with washing machine parts and such? Orbee was his name?
If you swaped the gear ratios around the Hope would have been slower - come on guys the 50+ riders are doing 1.10 or less for 1Km!
On a full aero track TT bike/kit, on indoor tracks, even faster than that nowadays!
Bloody expensive 4 sec.
Aren’t toe clips only allowed on the track?
Not a fair test, the other bike was not using the same gear ratio
this did one thign for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
its a hire bike, you are not allowed to change anything on them at the velodrome
this did one thign for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
Engine matters more than gear doesn't mean you have superbike doesn't mean you're fast although it's lighter it gives you a little bit of watts and etc it's about how good and strong the rider is no matter what he rides whether it's an entry level track bike if you're a weak rider slow and weak then you're going to lose everytime but if you're a strong rider like the quadzilla of cycling no matter what bike you're riding you're still gonna win but change your chainring and cog to give you speed and power
This video was awesome
How did I go from Panigale v4s to this. YT needs to get better with their algo
He’s gonna go put his feet up…
His feet are notably not up in any shot. Like not even flat but when he’s laying down are literally below his heart.
So basically, as long as the athletes don't have the same kind of bike no one can say who is the best athlete. All the competions are useless.
To be fair that's not much at all. iIdon't know exact price for both but do math and present how much does these 3 seconds cost?
finally ollie doen't get dropped 😂
That's a ridiculously small gain, cost considered. Set the hire bike up a bit better (same gear, same tires, optimised position) and i'd be just 2 seconds. So the real message is: don't waste you're money on expensive stuff if you're not going to the olympics.
4 seconds in a km is a big difference, especially for those at the top of the sport
About 8% quicker for 500% more dollar 🙈
this did one thing for me.. it tells me that if a bog standard frame can be that close to the most aero $$$$$ bike in the uk... then buying a stock aero bike fom your local bike shop is absolutely pointlessly not worth it!!
Hmmm gear ratio looks massively different 🤷♂️ surely both bikes on the same tyres same ratio at a set power would show a true comparison 🤔
Agreed
@@Da5idc ide love to see how much time difference that test would make, I reckon it would be within a second or two, maybe less if the ride position and bar width was identical as well 🤷♂️
Then maybe the hope wouldn't look so good
@@nicholkid exactly what my brain was thinking! Ide love to see a third bike thrown in, again same power gearing position etc but say around the £3K price point. Whilst I think the Hope would win I reckon it would be an extremely tight margin!
@@nicholkid Don't mock the Hope!
It allowed the GB men to claim 7th in the Team Pursuit. Oh wait...
WXR from Malaysia is the most expensive track bike. Not the Lotus bike...
But the Lotus/Hope is the slowest of the expensive bikes.
Worst overall medal haul for Team GB since 2008 and in the men's Team Pursuit the worst result since 1996.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 Yup.27 yo Canadian girl Kelsey Mitchell whupped everybody in the sprints. 4 years after she converted from soccer. LOL.
It's ~3 seconds not 4 seconds.
Put the same gears on the cheap bike and see him kill it! 4 seconds, didn't impress me!
Guaranteed he rode it off camera
And then you drive a Velomobile and need unter 50s for this 1000m :P
you have 5 rotating points, two wheels, two pedals, and a bottom bracket. The rotational friction difference between the two bikes could make that speed difference, but perhaps the biggest difference would come from the lower handlebars keeping his torso more level with the surface. There's way more variables than just frame A and frame B
Most expensive track bike! Not the entire world has a local velodrome!
Dear or dear, seems Alex did not get a good grade in maths at school. "Its almost bang on 4 seconds" he says, yet the time difference is actually 3.47 seconds, which is nothing like bang on 4 seconds. Factor in the different gearing ratios, wear on a hired bikes chainset etc, I can't see how this comparison has any value at all.
Was it almost exactly 4 seconds though.
just googled it and that lotus bike will cost about 15500 pounds
For the price its really 4 seconds of F##k all.
Id expect at least 8 seconds difference
Which proves my point that I’ve always maintained , Eddy Merckx’s record in HOT 🥵 MEXICO and on that simple old bike is better than all the records attempted by people like Francesco Moser and Bradley Wiggins !!!! END OF !!!!
Merckx was almost definitely on Gear and EPO tho.
@@theunitedempire6532 You are talking out of your backside !!!! I smell a Lance the needle Armstrong fan !!! You clearly are …………….and a flag-waving brexiteer too at that, judging by your name !!!
@@theunitedempire6532 Until the late80s/early90s EVERYBODY in cycling was doped.
The riders even argued against doping controls because they 'would make competitive cycling impossible'.
Doping has been an essential part of pro cycling since the 1890s starting with cocktails of arsenic and cocaine.
@@theunitedempire6532 There was no synthetic EPO way back then, NONE.
Now maybe you could claim that he was on amphetamines, and maybe, possibly borrowed/used the blood packing procedures from the Scandinavian XC Skiers, and distance runners of that era, because that did exist then. ???
is it cheap? hoping to get one for free.
love from the Philippines
Are the gearing the same …..
"Bang on 4 seconds"? Someone can't count.
He can count - he can't subtract.
3 seconds for $5000? $10,000? You can keep it.
Have you checked the ratio of those bikes before doing this? The moda bike looks a lot under-geared than the lotus.
The hire bike comes fitted with a smaller gear ratio as standard
@@gcn yes, but for an equal test try with the same ratio.
@@RoncoGarage Why is that an equal test? The comparison was between bikes as actually ridden. Once you had a baseline *then* you can start changing parts to see where the difference actually is.
@@jasonmcgrody9472 yes but in this test you can only talk about feelings.
When you put numbers in between, you have also to guarantee that the test you do doesn't make any disadvantage between the two. Same crank arm length, same gear ratio, and same tyre (measure at least). Than you can talk about numbers.
All that money they spent, this bike is so much like the diamondback Andean. They should just ride the same equipment for races and give the money to the athletes instead. Save the tech for against the clock if that’s all money can buy.
different ratios between bikes. the difference would of been even shorter between the two if they were both sporting the same setup.
at least I have to blame myself for being so slow in the 1k, not my old bike with big ratios. just my fat CdA.
My fixie has 53/13 Gear ratio my track bike day to day use is 60/14 but for velodrome both my bike will be changed into 68/12 normal average person's knee won't stand a chance😂
Avg mph? Top speed? Acceleration? %?
That Hope Lotus thing is not as super fast as it seems , a dirt cheap bog standard rental didnt do that bad.
I may be a pleb but that UK-made Moda bike itself is not bad and not that cheap.
@@watchesnwheels in my area used Moda framesets go for about 800-1000 € so not so cheap...
Not a fair comparison. Different gear ratios
0:32. There is nothing cheap about that bike to the average non user.
There should be a standard olympic bike. Then we would see who is the best.
I don't think there should be a standard Olympic bike but they should introduce a homologation system like in car racing: No bike allowed which has not been sold to at least 50 private riders already.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 With a price cap limit on them as well. 😉
Race bike.. looks more like a track bike
Pretty sure the Koga Kinsei is quicker 🤷🏼♂️
3 seconds