Macworld Boston 1997-The Microsoft Deal
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2006
- Here we see Steve Jobs & the almost bankrupt at the time Apple Computer making a temporary deal with Bill Gates & Microsoft. The crowd was not too happy about it.
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It was the most win-win business decision I can think of. Microsoft didn't get broken up and Apple didn't go out of business. Both companies prospered greatly as a result.
You have the wrong version of the story. First off, the money wasn't a voluntary investment by Microsoft. It was a settlement for a patent dispute in which Microsoft was accused of violating one of Apple's parents. Still a win/win because it let both sides avoid a nasty and expensive court battle.
1. This didn't prevent Microsoft from being broken up because the anti-trust case was specifically relating to Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer with Windows 95. Regardless, the very idea that Microsoft could somehow prove they aren't a monopoly by investing in a competitor doesn't make much sense because all it really proves is that you're so big of a monopoly you need to create the illusion of competition.
2. Apple wasn't on the verge of bankruptcy, they weren't doing well by any means at that time but they had a lot of reserve cash to keep them afloat while they reworked their business plan. If this 150 million was the only thing "saving" Apple then Apple would have gone bankrupt later that year because they posted a 160 million dollar loss.
I like how the crowd boos Bill Gates who is helping to save the company and they didn't boo the Pepsi guy which kicked Steve Jobs out of Apple earlier which caused the company to almost die.
late af but oof ikr
@@Mryeast-gv3ow Ikr again
@Niko Furious John Sculley, big player in Apple's earlier days.
Before Steve was fired, he really didn’t know how to manage Apple. Only after when he came back did he TRULY know how to run Apple
Microsoft DOS and Microsoft 98. Ahh the good old Microsoft system !!
"Since we believe in choice"
Translates to
"Shut up, I wasn't finished"
lmao
This was probably the most important move that Steve Jobs in his career. The turning point of Apple. He basically shut out all the Microsoft haters and rallied all the Apple lovers.
yes another moves important
ipod
iphone
change from powerpc to intell
launch of iPad where none wanted a tablet, they did.
if he hadn't done this . Government would've broken up Microsoft in pieces.
@@josecarlosxyz funny enough tablets existed before the ipad, the ipad was just marketed better.
@@josecarlosxyz except without the MS deal, Apple would've gone bankrupt long before those.
It took real guts to do recognize what it took to right Apple's ship, and how to rid itself of past baggage. Brilliant move. I still hate Microsoft, but am glad they (MSFT) agreed to SJ's terms. Of course, the rivalry resumed with the introduction of the iPod. Who could forget the Zune?
Steve said it: 7:25
"We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose."
By this point in time, everyone (and Steve himself) knew that Microsoft was not going to lose its massive market share that it had anytime soon.
And Microsoft needed this deal for other reasons too. The company was dealing with antitrust lawsuits. So in order for Microsoft to stay whole, it had to help nurse Apple back to health to serve as its competitor.
Yeah. Steve had to do this, this was around the time Apple was slowly dying and going backrupt. He started to do anything he could
Even though I'm surrounded by Apple products all day and being a fan, it's hard to watch Bill Gates getting booed. He didn't deserve this.
+Devran “Cosmo” Uenal I'm sorry but I think he did. The only reason they bought 150$ million worth of shares and ported Office and IE, is because they were sued over the quicktime / VFW source code "theft", at lack of a better word. So they settled that with this "benevolent" act.
+Ricardo Rebelo not true, google it if u want know what happend dont bouther to explain it to you
+Ricardo Rebelo Heeeeeeey Ricardo, you work out home depot bro? you little mehican? work mexican work. Por favor?
Devran Uenal he had a bad reputation at the time for being a monopolist
yeah, but still no real reason to be rude :(
It's funny bill wants to help and they booing him
John Louis
Back then, Bill was hated. His reputation was pretty bad. Thankfully, he changed his image and he's a pretty cool and well regarded guy today.
But their Microsoft system, DOS and Windows 98 were great Operating System though
@Carlos Urroz Bro it's been 3 years. Everyone knows antivax kids don't make it past 3. He's gone.
@Carlos Urroz RIp in Pieces indeed, my friend.
They're booing him becaue he more or less stole the idea of a GUI from Apple years before. But Apple stole that very same idea from Xerox soooo...
"We are shipping Internet Explorer as the default browser" NOO "You can change it" *claps*
"Microsoft is investing $150 Million in Stock" BOOOO "It is non-voting stock" *claps*
Techkid6 Gaming why does everyone hate Microsoft?
@@hieu_dinh facepalm, watch the movie called "pirates of silicon valley"
100tg like
@@hieu_dinh because it is basically an apple rally
Haha stock go brrr
"Apple has decided to make Internet Explorer its default browser on the Macintosh"
Guy in the audience - NO!
lmao
Lolololololoolololololololololololol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TheSampLamp That's wrong. It was always shit. The version they ended up releasing for the Mac was a little better, but Navigator still surpassed it.
I can feel the distress from here
@@blueion4019 Nope
steve really has a way of presentation and delivery that is unmatched
"BOOO! HE'S HELPING US! BOOOOO!"
And on that day, a handful of people started using Linux
well said ...
Steve forgot this as soon as Apple got back into play... but bill just kept quiet..... I think Bill gates is the hero here
yeah, Bill gates is one of those guys who does a lot n keeps quiet!
+neizetetz Gates was making an investment in the future of software for his company... and a HUGE boost to his portfolio.
indeed, What satya nadella did with windows 10 and apps for android and ios is a huge investment on the future too!
+Ananda Priyadharshan Yea he was a hero stealing visual based interface from Apple :) and incorporating it into his own operating system :)
+lampacafe the reality is that both Apple and Microsoft stole so much from earlier tech companies that neither has the right to claim any moral high ground on the issue of stealing ideas. Apple deserves credit for being an early innovator in developing the GUI, but to claim that other people "stole" from them is absurd when they "stole" it from Xerox (yeah, those guys used to make more than just copy machines)
I wonder if there were some Apple zealots who would rather see Apple fade away to nothing, than accept Microsoft's help.
Medalion they all on android now
@@NLS87 Not
apple fans follow their brand blindy, even in 1997
+diasslo so... do you use Internet Explorer? LMAO look at what you're defending boy, it got discontinued for how bad it was and zero use people gave it, I think you're following something blindly here...
***** I just like the OS, that doesn't make me a fanboy, screw Internet Explorer lol
@@OscarBuelna and yet, apple put a stand out today for 999. A imac pro..for 5k. not even. half the power of standard pc computers at that price
iphones that have no Aux port, Etc. the list goes on.
@@diasslo You are heavily mistaken in judgment. If anyone seriously believes Bill Gates didn't deserve this, then read on what he did with Internet Explorer: toastytech.com/evil/ieisevilstory.html
It has nothing to do with following anything blindly (oh, the irony of your statement). They also tried, in the scummiest way, to kill off Java, PR-DOS and GNU/Linux. And he got sued so fucking hard for it by the US government that he actually considered leaving Microsoft to try and escape damages. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
diasslo weren’t they booing at Jobs
Maximum respect for BILL GATES. He helped Apple up onto their feet again.
+Joshua Muzaaya true, though remember, this was during Microsoft's monopoly issues were at their height and Apple was about to go under..... so it was better for Bill Gates to have a weak competitor, than no competitor at all. It was win-win and kudos to Jobs for reaching out.
If anyone seriously believes Bill Gates didn't deserve this, then read on what he did with Internet Explorer: toastytech.com/evil/ieisevilstory.html
@@RedHairdo Yeah no shut up. If you actually think that he did deserve this then you are misguided
He just helped his own a$$ to prevent an antitrust lawsuit.
@sovo1212 doesn't change that apple would probably not exist today if it weren't for Gates helping out.
This was, indeed, the beginning of something wonderful.
Hi are you still there
This must’ve been the hardest thing for Steve Jobs to do, and for Apple as a whole at the time, amazing how he turned the company around so well and where it’s at today, wish he was still here to see it all, who knows what the company would’ve been like now with him around man.
the people booing bill gates are what i imagine to be apple cultists
Friez_
He is not serious dumbass
They are just booing the Internet Explorer only hahaha
Watch carefully
Friez_ R/WOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Those people booing had kids, and those are the hipster hippie cocksuckers that line up at 2am to get the new iphone these days.
@Ruby Williams nope, comment got removed but the guy named friez didn't get the joke.
This is the living embodiment and practical application of the second part of the phrase "Keep your friends close.... and your enemies closer". Genius move by Apple and Steve Jobs , who probably hated doing this, but knew it was necessary to survive at that moment in time. Nowadays.. Internet Explorer is nowhere to found on the Mac by the way , which was discontinued this year.
This wasn't a voluntary investment by Microsoft, it was a settlement they reached regarding a patent dispute. It also didn't save Apple. Apple had ample reserves to get them through tough times and if the 150M dollar investment was the only thing preventing bankruptcy then Apple would have gone bankrupt later that year when they posted a 160M dollar loss. Even in the worst case where Apple went bankrupt, they would have filed for Chapter 11 Restructuring and would have been able to get the company back on track.
Apple copied GUI from Xerox: No one batted an eye.
Microsoft copied the same idea from Apple: Everyone lost their minds.
Actually there was a deal between Apple and Xerox , Xerox bought Apple stock in exchange for GUI .
but unlike Apple and Microsoft, Apple and Xerox were not direct competitors. Apple almost went out of business because in parts of their own doing and the rise of the IBM PC compatible clones, which Microsoft had a big role in helping.
And if you had an Windows Xp, on the windows folder you could find a Xerox folder on it
Not to mention Xerox stole the GUI, too. They copied the entire idea from "The Mother of All Demos", which happened 5 years prior to Xerox having any GUI system. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos
Christopher Fernandes Apple copied the OS from Xerox, then Microsoft copied the OS from Apple. Does anyone else see the irony it started with a company that makes copy machines?
"since we believe in choice"
yeah, tell me that I have to deal with only itunes for every media file I transfer
"We believe in choice"
An oxymoron statement coming from Apple...
2:24 I started laughing at everyone booing Internet Explorer.
Shows it sucked, even back in 1997.
name a better one at that time.
Netscape Navigator boy... Are you serious, was that supposed to be a difficult question to answer? LOL. Everyone hated IE back then dude.
Lol with the guy asking for a better browser back then!
it has always sucked yea
you dipshit
"We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose"
Never a truer word said for any two companies in competition. Fanboys should take note of that
IE 5 on the Mac really *was* a solid browser for the time. Faster, lighter, more Mac-like in look and feel (even had color schemes to match the multi-color Macintosh systems of the time), and more standards-compliant than Netscape Navigator of the time. IE 5 on Windows, on the other hand, was a kludgey hog... You could really tell that they were two codebases sharing a common brand.
No it wasn’t dude
It wasn’t a more standards compliant than anything their competitors made. Their competitors like Microsoft made it way more than Apple dude. Fact. Shut up
@@godzpeedx7ii75 no, I will not shut up. It passed more ACID tests than other browsers of the time, including IE on Windows. You are perfectly welcome to be wrong though, I couldn’t care less about your opinion.
The show American genius is true…
yay same!
hu yuanze yeaa
hu yuanze same! I see this after watching American genius.
"We believe that internet explorer is the best browser"
+Adithya Rao actually it was the best browser on MacOS back then and much better than on Windows, what is strange.
@@apfelschorle1988 but now we need 64 gigs of ram for CHROME which is even less for it 😏😂
was pretty right.. in fact in 1997 Netscape was better, but with CSS and HTML 4 , IE became better.
Booooooo
"We made a deal to get Microsoft Office on Mac for 5 years."
EVERYONE CHEERS.
"We also made Internet Explorer the default browser."
EVERYONE BOOS.
Just goes to show that in 20 years nothing has changed--Office is still the shit, while Explorer has always just been shit.
Don't forget that explorer was there when no body else was with you. Until you cheat him with Mozilla or Chrome...
Benjamin Gadberry God bless edge
@1D 1R A C U 1L A 209 !! No, they booed IE (not Office) and cheered when they found IE was optional.
Explorer has never been crap
@@m.i.studio5990 no
Apple. Creating fan boys since 1997. How do you like your $1000 display stand ??
it's not 1000, it's 999 lol
bill gates later lent 3 million dollar the next year
Mahe Nair I love it I keep it on a chain around my neck I get jealous looks from people with AirPods and Gucci necklaces and Louis Vuitton bags 😁
Since 1997? More like the late 70s
At 2:40, just as everyone starts booing, you can hear one guy yell "Don't!"
flarn2006 lol it's amazing people hates internet explorer since 1997
Legend Troll Ha ha i realised the same :D
Well, I have a colleague. Even though my office computer's default browser is Chrome now, he always go out of the way to use Internet Explorer.
Precious.
How is Steve Job dead if we're watching him on UA-cam right now?
+Dog UA-cam is a time machine... XD
Huh? Ok idk how to answer the question
*****
Are you from the future???? Did I die??? XD
*****
😯
+Dog Jaden, please.
It's not easy to say this but honestly Microsoft saved apple assess that time .
And both company's are brilliant
Extremely rude to boo him like that.
I love the way people "claps and boos" when Jobs talks about all these millions going here, and there when 99% of the audience still working on his credit.
Imagine if this existed in gaming...
Xbox helping PlayStation.
The Internet would explode.
Andre Lavandero it just happened. Sony Azure partnership :)
Nah. Imagine Nintendo buying Sony shares
It is happening............Microsoft has signed a partnership with SONY so that Sony could develop it's cloud gaming Service on Microsoft Azure Servers.
There is a dedicated video made by Tech Altar..........if u want to know more.
@InitechEmployee NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
4:45 LMAO that never fails to crack me up, that image of a smiling Bill Gates popping up on the big screen at a Mac Expo. That's equivalent to Satan himself suddenly appearing in front of a church congregation.
It felt exacrly like the « 1984 » ad for the Mac. The irony of life. 😂
Lol
ROFLMFAO so true
LOL TRUE
Legit lol 😆
This is awesome. I have gained a TON of respect for Microsoft and Apple combined. Competition is key to great products, Microsoft realized this and responded...
17 years ago. Can't believe UA-cam is that old.
And so began the ascent of Apple.
This deal literally saved Apple
I think a more accurate way to put it is, it gave them the chance to save themselves. The deal alone wouldn't sustain them forever, and the 2 products that made Apple what it is today were the iPod and later the iPhone, neither of which Microsoft had any involvement in. But of course Apple could never have developed those products in the first place if they had gone under back in the 90's, which Microsoft was instrumental in preventing.
It's ok to say they owe microsoft. Bill literally saved there ass from bankruptcy.
2 mins of silence for all those workers down there when they saw Gates on the big screen.
When Gates was around Apple couldn't do anything about Microsoft. Jobs was obsessed of Microsoft's growth. He really spoke some bad things about Microsoft. But Gates helped them. If this thing had happened to Microsoft, I am damn sure Jobs wouldn't have helped them. This shows how great and humble Gates is. I like Jobs innovative thinking. But, he was definitely not a good person. R.I.P Jobs.
Everytime I watch an Apple event for some reason it reminds me of David Koresh and his Davidians
I loved how steve drank his water before making the announcement
Who watched this after watching Genius?
JV TV me
Me
Just
I did a few minutes ago
😂😂😂
Every Apple nerd should watch this before opening their mouths!
Apple doesn't have nerds. Apple has 'rebels', 'revolutionaries', 'artiste's' and a host of other corny bullshit motherfuckers. The cornball bullshit gets no larger than the corn-filled shit found in their camp. Nerds don't give a shit about 'polished aluminum corners' and elegant design. Nerds care only about an open, free ecosystem be it on the desktop or in the mobile OS.
To refer to Apple users as 'nerds', cheapens the meaning of 'nerd'.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam I agree with you, sir!
Apple doesn't simplify technology, they dumb it down. They take decisions that should and CAN be made by consumers and restrict them.
For example, try changing a batter on an iphone or adding an SD card to an iphone. In the Android ecosystem you have the choice if you want it, in the Apple ecosystem if you want to replace your battery, you have to leave it to the 'battery replacement professionals'? What's the point of that? Is it too complicated for regular people to do?
***** Im guessing you havent even used one. My friend despises apple, but he used one and is now getting one to use alongside his PC. They aren't that different, the only thing thats different is the architecture and software, its still a computer. I use it for its simplicity to efficiently produce high quality media production at a face pace, something PC's don't really have. Its not an amazing gaming platform, but its still an option. I use it for occasional games, while my PC runs main games. (though i use consoles for gaming). So you can't really bad mouth the Macintosh, since without them, computers wouldn't be nearly the same as they are today thanks to Apple.
"They really aren't that different"
"The ARCHITECTURE and SOFTWARE are different"
"I use apple to produce high quality media, something PC's don't have"
"They really aren't that different"
lol What drugs do you have to take for that to make sense?
And what did Apple contribute to computing? Not much. Seriously, not much. If you think Apple made the PC what it is today, you live in a fantasy world.
11:58 the guy on the right lol
Lmao
4:44 "Welcome Peasants"
One of my friend's, Alan, was present in the audience. I always thought the scene of this in the movie Pirate of Silicon Valley was somewhat dramatized, but then he reported about the 'booing', especially when Bill Gates appeared on the screen.
Office came in: everybody claps. It shows that MS Office has no competition, even today.
Look at all the iDork's in the crowd having a heart attack lol.
InvisibleYetVisible you're just poor and can't afford it so you just complain
Pooppo Popopisfh your the one who seems like a , I've seen you comment on this same video like 8 or 10 different times.
InvisibleYetVisible "iDorks" 😂 Brilliant!
Steve had the balls to sign a deal with the Devil (as it were)...
Bill had the balls to help out a company full of people that would rather see him dead (just saying what everyone in the audience probably was thinking.......... most likely).
I don't know about Microsoft (today).... but look at where Apple is now, after the fallout of this deal from 1997. Great things can happen if you learn to face the music.
rkmugen he needed a compeitor
Wow... I had no idea that this conference was so aggressive. Full of admiration for this character, an incredible and driven innovator who truly does think differently.
Nope that’s false
And everything was fine until the google nation attacked
Now we have a new challenger on board
nope firefox came before google so firefox attacked
@@jacobdestroyer9647 *sigh*
Its "Everything changed when" not "Everything was fine until"
I was in that crowd! One of the coolest times I ever saw Apple go through as there was again hope for a further. And look at where we are now.
"Since we believe in choice" but no choice of payment in App Store .. we want 30%
Others here have commented similarly, but missed one key point; Microsoft in 1997 was making more revenue selling software to Mac users than Apple made selling computers. That was what was going around the campfire, so to speak. Anyway, if you love Apple you owe a little gratitude to the folks in Seattle.
Anyone else here after reading it in Steve Jobs bio?
Things that annoy Apple fans:
- Being offered Microsoft products
- Microsoft investing in Apple
- 1K monitor stands
7:25 has so much wisdom and humility. Without it, you don't see Apple where it is today.
If videogame companies had leaders like Steve, the industry would be a lot better
I don't think Apple would have done the same Thing for Microsoft....
An epic moment is the computing industry!
5:45 i love bills smile when he says mac office 98. dude really loves what he does.
10 years and the man has brought Apple back from the brink, genius.
Hello from the future
If only you’d known at the time how immensely correct your statement was to be.
Steve Jobs was a great general in all the sense than Sun Tzu expected. The Apple purists saw that day how dady did business for real. Cheers where you are now Steve.
Man every time I watch this I can't help but realize that Steve totally blocked the 1984 ad out of his mind to have allowed the optics to have unfolded as they did. Either that or the situation at Apple was very very dire.
4:45 troll face
Shut up
Lol
top 10 late 90's anime trollfaces
11:55 haha. That guy shaking his head just can't handle it.
His god just told him that he's not really god.
Uderrated
"Since we believe in choice..."
Oh so I can put MacOS on my PC then?
Apple: LOL Not that much choice.
Life in the 413 let’s be happy they don’t go after hackintoshers.
Life in the 413 You can if you make a Hackintosh. I had one, a repurposed HP.
bloody fuckin hell!!! Two Legends on the same stage!!!! Take a bow!!
Can't you just see the bliss on Jobs' smirking face? Ohh the love hahaha
2:24 people screaming "Noooo"
That history makes me cry. I've seen a history caught in video
2:25 The moment you are looking for.
3:25 The other moment you are looking for.
Thank you for the think different speech steve.
Steve jobs is - really - clever. Without him, Apple was collapsing. In 1997 he returned in Apple and became again the chairman, as he had been till 1984. Since then, Apple is rising again and has also become a good competitor to MSoft. He is a good businessman, as he understands the needs of the market.
This must have been a painful experience for Steve to go through. A lot of people really do not like Microsoft and the way that they conduct their business. Microsoft has always been seen as the enemy and he had to embrace them because Apple was not doing well at the time and was trying to recover its former greatness (which they would eventually did)
I wish I could remember where I was when this event went down... as a computer kid back then.
I felt the power of Steve Job speech through
Ok, time for hackintosh on my surface book
"We believe Internet Explorer is a good browser" - :D)
As weird as it is to say, wasn't Internet Explorer arguably the best browser back then? Apple was years away from making Safari, which of course was superior to IE, and this was also many years before Firefox and Chrome. What even was Apple's default browser before this deal? Netscape?
Netscape was better but you will have to watch Bill Gates The Godfather of Tech Industry, a documentary at UA-cam to understand how Microsoft internet explorer won from Netscape.
It is amazing how both of them pushed throw the boos.
Today October 30th 2014 they ended the day on the stock market worth $618.97 Billion :)
$2.02 T now. That's Crazy.
This must have been a difficult MacWorld for Steve. Apple seemed so small in comparison to Microsoft at the time. Times have changed. Now it is Microsoft that needs help with some categories.
Steve considers this his biggest keynote gaff as Apple was still very much in the doghouse and Gates loomed over like a giant overlord. "We thought someone was going to run up and toss a well timed hammer into the screen" [like the 1984 Macintosh Comercial] - atendee
This is without a doubt the most important keynote presentation Steve Jobs ever gave. Apple was in dire straits at that time - and yes, I remember well. This deal saved Apple and in 2024 we see that both companies have prospered. They jointly have a market cap of almost 6 trillion (!) $$$ Without the Microsoft deal in 1997, Apple would likely not exist anymore today.
Bill Gates is truly brilliant. One of the smartest philanthropic men on the planet. Jobs will be remembered for the iPhone and all that, which is great. Gates will not only be remembered for his massive contribution to Information Technology as a whole.... but for his philanthropic duties outside of Microsoft. The Bill and Melinda foundation is the largest transparently operated charity in the world.
Gates is altruistic, Jobs wasn't.
He did more than iPhone. Bill did copy his ideas...
***** Correct.
Bill stole Apples Software idiot!
SkyverGaming Oh god, it's an iBoy.... when did he do that then you fucking dork?
***** Tim has donated... And steve had medical bills cause he has cancer!!! Bill did still Apples software!
Love that the applause stop as soon as Bill mentions IE.
The two companies should colab more often, except out of their own free will. Imagine computers with the creative forces of both Windows and Apple.
What other browsers did Apple offer on the Mac at this time?
And what was the default browser before this partnership?
what was the publics initial reaction to this? was it good or bad?
"It's really great to be here. There's nothing like a party.
You work hard all your life,
especially trying to get Microsoft working.
-Bill Gates
So microsoft actually saved Apple?
Yup, they saved them from bankrupcy
I didn’t know that Microsoft had saved Apple
You raise a good point. I'm not sure they would infuse Microsoft with cash. However there is a point after this where they did something similar. The first versions of the iPod and iTunes were only developed for the mac and used the firewire connection. Once they switched over to USB and released the windows software (a first for apple software I believe) that is when the iPod really took off. The iPod would have remained a niche product if tied to the Mac OS.
2:39 For guy yelling "No!" at Internet Explorer.
steve: I heard you're making friends with the justice department?
billl: and your back on board in a sinking ship?
steve: if apple goes down u have no one to fight.
I see you're a man of culture aswell....
Steve Jobs is so awesome in the first minutes of this lion cage! 😂
2:39 Love how that one guy just yells "NO" XD
"We need all the help we can get"
Danm straight