I’ve been keenly aware of this for most of my life. Indoor circulated air has always had adverse affects on me. My eyes burn, I get dizzy, my throat sometimes will swell. Many people in my circle of friends experience the same thing. We can’t spend much time in box stores and places without circulation. Also some people’s houses! Many people don’t open windows. I’ve had old roomates who lived in the most stale and smelly environment, never allowing air flow. I don’t understand why people don’t experience how unhealthy that is.
I spent lots of time with my aunt in a rehab center this summer, and my portable CO2 meter was *always* over 3000 while there, which is insane (it should be under 750-800). None of the windows opened, the doors were always closed tight even on beautiful days. It was heartbreaking. In June the facility dropped their mask requirements for visitors, and what do you know-- their covid numbers spiked within a week for both patients and staff. (If you're not going to filter the building air, then filter your face. It's one or the other, and ideally both. But since masks have become so politicized, it's more of a reason to work on indoor air quality.)
@@MNP208 Yes, there are several, but the "gold standard" portable one is the Aranet. About $180 on their website. I own 3 of them and use them to monitor indoor air at home and when I'm at medical appointments.
This is a nonsense statement. You’re forgetting about confounders. What I mean is if I would say children who get dropped off in Mercedes-Benz get better test scores in school versus kids dropped off in a Toyota Yaris. Can I say that driving in a Mercedes-Benz is the reason why the kids are smarter? Of course not… It’s because Mercedes-Benz is associated with wealth and parents with wealth tend to send their kids to better schools versus people that drive Toyota Yaris. It’s the wealth associated with the Mercedes-Benz and the lifestyle associated with being wealthy in general. Think about what happens in June? Summer starts people begin interacting more with one another. You get more contacts… so yeah, of course Covid cases are going to go up… It happened, nationwide… The problem with the studies sided by 60 minutes is one it’s an Italian Study posted in a less than reputable source. If you read the study, you’ll see that the schools in which these new VAC systems were implemented in or wealthy schools. Study does not take into account the confounders associated with the lifestyles of people who attend a wealthy school …
Masks can be harmful, so the better idea is to do what you can to promote/improve health physically, mentally, and metabolically. [Also your nose can be a filter if you're willing to breathe nasally].
Turns out the air we breathe every day is pretty important, who knew? But seriously it's great that this important topic is getting the exposure it deserves.
Us citizen. US has all the potential, skill, resources, and supply of components to lead the world. Our performance has proven we only achieve about 75% of our potential. Quit looking to the US for the solutions. Look at the problem and what solution works best for you or your country. Pray for our AI robot overlords to replace Politicians and parts of Government. You would see a dramatic improvement in a short time
I like how the old folks said "we were good''. No. Ya'll didn't wear a proper mask now did you? Nope. Everyone should have. Or they could have gone outside to sing and do their church stuff.
omg Im a nurse and I 100% agree with his words - this was airborne from the beginning - everyone knew it and so many died bc of ignoring that…they didnt want to talk about it bc they didnt have enough airborne masks for us and it would have made them liable
I knew it was airborne too. I mean that is why they closed so many stuff indoors. Even now I usually always wear my mask to indoor places. If I eat at a restaurant it's pick up or outdoor eating on patio.
Our finance, the private institutional financialization that has taken over everything, is 100% behind every avenue of our failure. We are very 3rd world in our statistics now. Imagine a nation with non-stop propaganda about it’s stellar performance, that is really just extremely corrupt, while 50 million of it’s citizens live in horrendous poverty. And it gets worse every year.
Totally agree, you can survive today and arrive with issues years later. And Nobody seems to make the associate. Industrial building chemicals, to detergents ,to city air... It all Adds Up eventually.
Fun fact, it's required per code to have the ventilation fan running 24/7. However, AHJ's don't enforce it which is why the ventilation comes on and off with the thermostat.
There are a couple of things this guy is not talking about as far as the HVAC of existing buildings. As a 36 year licensed HVAC contractor this would be a massive and very expensive upgrade for an existing building. Increasing a buildings MERV filter rating is just a mask itself. The more air exchanges per hour an AHU-make up air unit- ventilation unit have to perform can be very expensive. To increase air exchanges per hour involves new or upgraded equipment and temperature conditioning of the new amounts of air entering a building. That would involve raising the total cooling or heating capacity of a building in order to condition the extra volumes of air. VERY EXPENSIVE! Something he didn’t even talk about is possibly adding Ultraviolet lighting into the AHU’s of a building. Unlike a paper filter that eventually gets saturated…..ultraviolet lighting kills the germs using a spectrum of light as the germs that WILL pass through any filter comes in contact with it. This is a cheaper and more efficient way to control airborne germs in existing building. Most building owners will not upgrade to systems unless pushed by the government. And then……you only think rent is high now in an office building. I do totally agree with him that indoor air quality always needs to be an issue for public health but, one way is not always the best for the same building situation.
Thank you for raising awareness about the importance of indoor air circulation. This is a very simple way to prevent the spread of all kinds of diseases that requires no action on behalf of the people inside of the building.
Cant believe not once did they mention like air purifiers. I had a whole house air purifier installed in my home in 2021 during the pandemic, cuz i have medical conditions. Not gonna lie, its super expensive... mine was $1499 with lifetime warranty. I could tell a big difference in air quality. Its also more than just to protect against viruses.
I have that air monitor that they show attached to the wall. It's called the AirThings View Plus and its totally awesome. It completely changed the way I think about air. Sleeping with my dog in my room and my window closed would have me wake up to a CO2 reading above 3000. No wonder I was feeling groggy in the morning! The 2.5ppm particle info is also super handy and I have since bought an air purifier. Life is pretty good now!
Benjamin Franklin noted in the 1800’s that opening windows to improve air circulation reduced the transmission of the common cold. Meanwhile, our political establishment instituted arbitrary, blanket policies that led to loss of life, diminished quality of life, and an economic shutdown, the results of which are still not fully realised. The $33T national debt, coupled with large, entrenched annual deficits will have disastrous consequences for the future of our nation.
This makes me sick. I'm an HVAC tech in a hospital and these are the standards that we have always maintained. While he was working from home and sheltering in place we were out there risking our health to ensure proper air quality. Just because he never thought of it doesn't mean that it hasn't been thought of. SMH
Air Quality is a huge issue to me, goes Far Beyond any airborne microbes. How about the Smoldering Chemicals from building materials: Carpets, Glue, Drywall, Paint ect. Cant even open a window due to city traffic exhaust. The list goes on....
I said this to my circle of friends back in 2020 and even made some social media posts about this. Furthermore, I also argued that Taiwan, which did really well, is hot and humid year around, so the use of AC is very common. The high humidity and frequent rain provided moisture particles for the virus to bind to and quickly drop to the ground because of gravity. Taiwan's early success was likely and largely due to this effect and that they were more compliant with mask. I am certain that if we go back and look at data, we will find environments with high natural or man-make air filtration effects had lower transmission rate. Vast parts of the US has very dry and Americans are very liberal with use of indoor heating, so the air is very dry and helped suspending the virus particles in the air. Anyway, we all need to get HEPA filters for our homes, and hopefully ones with ultraviolet light that disinfect the HEPA filter intakes or outlets.
I acquired bacterial pneumonia at a restaurant with a poor air system in 2014. In 2020, someone that had felt sick for a few days ran into me and expelled hot breath in my face and gave me COVID-19 that lasted for nearly eleven months.
When I was vaping a lot it made me think differently abou the air around me. Vaping puts color to the air coming out of your lungs. It just hovers. It made me mindful of the air quality around me no matter where I'm at. Hopefully the pandemic makes it to where our air quality is better. I under stand lungs can clean themselves. But only up to a point. Breathing in silica dust is permanent. And that stuff is everywhere. When you sweep its bad. I try to wear masks when I sweep. And I bought a air filter/purifier for my apartment. I breathe in dust all day at work (I try not to, but it's next to impossible.) and when I'm at home it's my sanctuary.
Now if you can just get everyone (who didn’t learn from the pandemic or even believe it exists) to cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze. People don’t learn.
NY and NJ nursing homes were devastated as they were hit with the first wave in March 2020 where no one was masking. Some nursing homes lost 20 patients in a single week. A doctor told me he lost more patients in one month than his whole career. When that original Wuhan strain of the virus made its way to the Midwest cities their nursing homes were ready with medical grade masks and none of these cities were hit remotely as bad as NY and NJ. Even by time that the majority of seniors were fully vaccinated nationally nobody surpassed NY and NJ for nursing home terminal cases. And simply look at Japan and South Korea who are densely populated, have a large senior population, and no shortage of cancer patients (particularly stomach cancers). These two countries masked diligently as a matter of civic responsibility. They had fewer infections than mask shunning Florida had total terminal cases. And since their September 2023 surge in covid wastewater testing they were the only state on the eastern seaboard where a majority of the counties had covid hospitalizations well above the national average. Unsurprisingly as the Dean of Baylor Medical College noted recently the counties wifh the fewest vaccinated and boosted seniors were the very counties that were sticking out like a sore thumb for increased hospitalizations.
@MNP208 correc. Dean Klotman does a weekly UA-cam video on the state of vaccination and Texas. While we're on the topic. I've looked closely at Texas because they unlike Florida are very transparent about their covid data. Their November 2021 report in year one of vaccination was the largest of its kind review of all statewide testing and hospital admissions for covid. This included the peak of the Delta variant outbreak in that summer that devastated South Texas. They stratified all results by age, sex, vaccination status from January to October 2021. The MedCram UA-cam channel perhaps the most viewed by U.S. medical school students did an entire 30 minute analysis of Governor Gregg Abott's Department of Health report. The results were startling and mirrored those of many other high population centers that came later. But with some interesting findings that contradicted the narrative that covid was only taking 80 year olds. The average age was in the early 60s (not even Medicare eligibility age). And the group that saw the greatest reduction of terminal outcome (vax vs unvax) were those under age 25. This report was the impetus for many of the private sector vaccine mandates to return to the office.
The Asian countries like South Korea and Japan people have been costumed to wearing masks before covid even hit. Even in China too! I know because I have been there before covid (way before covid). People wore masks there. Either because of pollution or health reasons. So....they are costumed to doing it already. As the United States is was NOT costumed to wearing masks. It just was not in the U.S. culture. That is why you had people complaining about masks or just not wanting to do it. Then there is always ALWAYS are you wearing a properly fitted mask and the correct one?
These stories always have “Hollywood endings” flowers and sunshine smh! That guy needs to tell the truth! There’s a lot of businesses that CANNOT and WILL NOT ever make these important improvements for employee health
There’s always a hot or cold spot in the buildings I’ve worked in. These are not old buildings (built w/in last 5 years) yet they can’t get HVAC to work so that people aren’t freezing or boiling up. Adding this layer of super filtration is great but if they still can’t get the basics down…It doesn’t help that an entire wall on the west-facing side bakes all afternoon; the HVAC doesn’t pivot with the changing heat build-up. The buildings are also built on Superfund toxic waste sites, which have residual TCE moving up from the ground into buildings. Constant 24/7 air circulation/filtration is required to avoid setting off alarms.
The caveate to this demo although very good is that multiple people were singing so if more than one choral member had covid it would be twice as bad but also what is not shown is that everyone in the room was inhaling then exhaling that infected air spreading it around the room even faster.
Agreed. I kinda wish they showed all of the mannequins exhaling at once to really drive the point home. But even with one mannequin, it was still plenty "aerosoley" in there!
I can't believe that everybody isn't thinking this way. I mean it's common sense. I remember in 2018 when I worked for a company. And I was in a room in the building called secure master banking room. There was no air filtration system in that room. When 1 person got sick, everybody the whole room all 32 people got sick.
There is no way that a service industry where most Americans work will change anything about air handling because it would cost too much. The industry would rather hire another worker to take them places of those sick than fix the problem that got their workers sick
And yet, MANY hospitals and medical centers have horrendous indoor air quality. I take my Aranet CO2 monitor with me to medical appointments over the last 2 years, and the ventilation in every place but one was terrible. So, it either 1) is a surprise to many hospital administrators, or 2) hospital administrators don’t care at all about minimizing spread inside their buildings. 🤷🏻♀️
@@JustAnotherViewer10 Seven states currently use the "ASHRAE standards". This requires air cycling (ACH air cycling per hour). "may require different pressure relationships and higher ACH rates, depending on the specific pathogens involved". Some rooms will have different ACH values depending on the need. Are you saying examination rooms have poor air quality? The video primarily uses footage from New York. I don't find this to be giving the whole truth.
@@user-nl8tm8jl8l I am saying that hospitals and exam rooms have poor quality. I am aware of the ASHRAE standards. Currently, ASHRAE Standard 62 is the current (and outdated) standard for indoor air quality. The updated standard is ASRHAE 241, but it has not yet been incorporated into building codes. The problem is that the ASHRAE standards are only required to be met when the building is constructed but unoccupied, and there is not one checking to see if buildings are continuing to maintain IAQ standards. There is no authority and no forcing function. I am in a lot of groups fighting for improved IAQ standards in loads of buildings, and I can tell you that in the overwhelming majority, indoor air quality is absolutely terrible, FAR above the CDC-recommended standard of 600 ppm of CO2.
You learn something every day. Very interesting report. I wonder how many businesses in America are going to penny pinch, or become forward thinkers & create more & more “healthy buildings?”
What about airplanes? They’ve always been petri dishes of bacteria. I think for a while there they tried to do some thing, but it cost too much money to cool down the air. Know anybody who takes a flight, takes a health risk.
Retrofitting can be impossibly expensive, but at the design stage, it really isn’t. It’s mostly just a matter of setting an industry standard. Construction relies heavily on standards. Doing the engineering work to deviate from a set standard would be more expensive than cheaping out on HVAC for a new building
I run a company that solely retrofits ventilation systems in mid to high rise multi family residential buildings in NYC. It’s not even close to impossibly expensive. Knowing how to do it the right way the first retrofit is what makes it not impossibly expensive.
@@MrJohnctwomey That's interesting. I guess compared to stuff like masking and social distancing and other more trivial measures, it seems more expensive. But that doesn't really account for the loss of life or the loss of time in terms of quicker reopening that could have occurred had there been better ventilation systems in place.
Here's the irony. People spent untold amounts of money on insulation making their buildings airtight reducing the need for heating and cooling Now apparently need to spend more money on bringing outside air back in. Plus the additional expense for the cooling/heating of that outside air they otherwise would not have.
That's not exactly true. It's not ideal to have uncontrolled air changes. Once the building is tight, air changes can be controlled and adjusted by occupancy. Additionally, there are systems like energy recovery ventilators that allow for the air to be exchanged while reducing energy usage.
4:13 that’s not even close to what it looks like when you breath air,,,,there’s way better models of that clear looking air movement that shows how it looks when you exhale
But belief in surface spread created so many jobs. Scrubbing on the stairs railing, scrubbing the library shelves, scrubbing doorknobs. Round and round and round they go.
What's obvious to you may not be to someone else. We weren't running ads about COVID being airborne and a focus on air quality, among other things. I had to seek out information about COVID. Lots of other people rely on the government which doesn't always have our best interest at heart, especially the USA.
As a critical care nurse of 20 years, I say, the main way to avoid viruses like covid 19..is to not bioengineer them in DARPA-funded labs to infect humans in the 1st place.
Oh, the arrogance of mankind. Mother Nature has been in charge long before we took our first steps. Mother Nature will still be in charge long after we are gone.
If all the choir does the same thing outside after practice, but only half of them, those who attended, caught it, then it’s fair to say who caught it at practice and who didn’t.
But more air changes in a room means more energy consumption. The more people breathing also increases the co2 in the atmosphere which is killing the planet.
We keep open windows year round. One in front and another in back for constant air flow. They're open just enough for a person to not be able to slip through and have a safety lock so they can't be raised; and have alarms. Our neighborhood is quiet and safe but I feel better because you never know. In winter it is great sleeping weather even in sub zero temperatures. We just layer on more clothes during the day and blankets at night. Lol
In 100 year old houses radiators are under windows to combat the free cold flow of fresh air that was considered healthful and a proven preventative of TB spread
The World Health Organization and CDC were two organizations that denied it (you can search for "admits Covid is airborne" to find some articles about that), and much of the official messaging is still mainly about washing hands and getting vaccinated, so I assume a majority of people don't understand how Covid spreads and that those without symptoms can be contagious.
Dear 60 Minutes: if you find this topic interesting, please investigate how Finland totally failed during the COVID-19 pandemic - our media and decision makers are so intertwined they will never initiate a real investigation on this issue themselves. On the contrary, they actually tried to diminish the credibility of people who were the best professionals if they happened to endorse the airborne transmission theory, probably one of the best examples is calling professor of pulmonary medicine, a head of the department at Helsinki University Hospital a "grassroots activist" in the context of COVID-19 article. This is truly bizarre. We should not be a third world country but when it comes to COVID, we seem to act like one.
How much was 60 Minutes paid to do this story? So flagrantly obvious and very disappointing that 60 Minutes is damaging its reputation with something like this. Using Covid with an example where the HVAC system wasn't on AND the elderly weren't wearing masks as rationale for this advertisement - gee the fellow they interview is a consultant and sells ventilation systems...do ya think he's the best, most objective individual to be touting this stuff? Maybe the guy has a little bit of a conflict of interest thing going on in terms of lining his pocketbook? Nah that would never happen in america...!! Where is Vivek Murthy in this one? Or any other number of known, credible, objective authoritative sources?
I was recently approached to take part in a scientific study, and one of the questions was Which gender are you? with a choice of 4 answers.... This "report" has about the same level of scientific legitimacy.
I’ve been keenly aware of this for most of my life. Indoor circulated air has always had adverse affects on me. My eyes burn, I get dizzy, my throat sometimes will swell. Many people in my circle of friends experience the same thing. We can’t spend much time in box stores and places without circulation. Also some people’s houses! Many people don’t open windows. I’ve had old roomates who lived in the most stale and smelly environment, never allowing air flow. I don’t understand why people don’t experience how unhealthy that is.
I live in Hawaii and it’s so nice to have so many open-air options!
I spent lots of time with my aunt in a rehab center this summer, and my portable CO2 meter was *always* over 3000 while there, which is insane (it should be under 750-800). None of the windows opened, the doors were always closed tight even on beautiful days. It was heartbreaking.
In June the facility dropped their mask requirements for visitors, and what do you know-- their covid numbers spiked within a week for both patients and staff.
(If you're not going to filter the building air, then filter your face. It's one or the other, and ideally both. But since masks have become so politicized, it's more of a reason to work on indoor air quality.)
I didn't know they made portable CO2 meters!
@@MNP208 Yes, there are several, but the "gold standard" portable one is the Aranet. About $180 on their website. I own 3 of them and use them to monitor indoor air at home and when I'm at medical appointments.
This is a nonsense
statement. You’re forgetting about confounders. What I mean is if I would say children who get dropped off in Mercedes-Benz get better test scores in school versus kids dropped off in a Toyota Yaris. Can I say that driving in a Mercedes-Benz is the reason why the kids are smarter? Of course not… It’s because Mercedes-Benz is associated with wealth and parents with wealth tend to send their kids to better schools versus people that drive Toyota Yaris. It’s the wealth associated with the Mercedes-Benz and the lifestyle associated with being wealthy in general.
Think about what happens in June? Summer starts people begin interacting more with one another. You get more contacts… so yeah, of course Covid cases are going to go up… It happened, nationwide…
The problem with the studies sided by 60 minutes is one it’s an Italian Study posted in a less than reputable source. If you read the study, you’ll see that the schools in which these new VAC systems were implemented in or wealthy schools. Study does not take into account the confounders associated with the lifestyles of people who attend a wealthy school …
Thank U for sharing.
Masks can be harmful, so the better idea is to do what you can to promote/improve health physically, mentally, and metabolically.
[Also your nose can be a filter if you're willing to breathe nasally].
Turns out the air we breathe every day is pretty important, who knew? But seriously it's great that this important topic is getting the exposure it deserves.
Us citizen. US has all the potential, skill, resources, and supply of components to lead the world. Our performance has proven we only achieve about 75% of our potential. Quit looking to the US for the solutions. Look at the problem and what solution works best for you or your country. Pray for our AI robot overlords to replace Politicians and parts of Government. You would see a dramatic improvement in a short time
I like how the old folks said "we were good''. No. Ya'll didn't wear a proper mask now did you? Nope. Everyone should have. Or they could have gone outside to sing and do their church stuff.
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omg Im a nurse and I 100% agree with his words - this was airborne from the beginning - everyone knew it and so many died bc of ignoring that…they didnt want to talk about it bc they didnt have enough airborne masks for us and it would have made them liable
I knew it was airborne too. I mean that is why they closed so many stuff indoors. Even now I usually always wear my mask to indoor places. If I eat at a restaurant it's pick up or outdoor eating on patio.
Our finance, the private institutional financialization that has taken over everything, is 100% behind every avenue of our failure. We are very 3rd world in our statistics now. Imagine a nation with non-stop propaganda about it’s stellar performance, that is really just extremely corrupt, while 50 million of it’s citizens live in horrendous poverty. And it gets worse every year.
I think proper indoor air quality can prevent quite a lot of health problems later in life.
Totally agree, you can survive today and arrive with issues years later. And Nobody seems to make the associate. Industrial building chemicals, to detergents ,to city air... It all Adds Up eventually.
You can say that again!
"A patient cured (or a disease prevented) is a customer lost" for the pharmaceutical / chemical / agricultural complex.
Off topic, but Ruth Backland was my HS French teacher 40 years ago. She and her husband are wonderful people. One of my favorite teachers ever!
Fun fact, it's required per code to have the ventilation fan running 24/7. However, AHJ's don't enforce it which is why the ventilation comes on and off with the thermostat.
There are a couple of things this guy is not talking about as far as the HVAC of existing buildings.
As a 36 year licensed HVAC contractor this would be a massive and very expensive upgrade for an existing building.
Increasing a buildings MERV filter rating is just a mask itself. The more air exchanges per hour an AHU-make up air unit- ventilation unit have to perform can be very expensive.
To increase air exchanges per hour involves new or upgraded equipment and temperature conditioning of the new amounts of air entering a building. That would involve raising the total cooling or heating capacity of a building in order to condition the extra volumes of air.
VERY EXPENSIVE!
Something he didn’t even talk about is possibly adding Ultraviolet lighting into the AHU’s of a building.
Unlike a paper filter that eventually gets saturated…..ultraviolet lighting kills the germs using a spectrum of light as the germs that WILL pass through any filter comes in contact with it.
This is a cheaper and more efficient way to control airborne germs in existing building. Most building owners will not upgrade to systems unless pushed by the government. And then……you only think rent is high now in an office building.
I do totally agree with him that indoor air quality always needs to be an issue for public health but, one way is not always the best for the same building situation.
Layers of mitigations! No one method is best by itself. Gotta be multiple mitigations going on at once, yes 😊
What about opening windows or doors (?)
Thank you for raising awareness about the importance of indoor air circulation. This is a very simple way to prevent the spread of all kinds of diseases that requires no action on behalf of the people inside of the building.
Is it me or is this just common sense. All respiratory illnesses are transmitted by air.
Never a bad idea to upgrade your home filter to a Merv 13 or higher
This should be shown at public health officials all around the world. When it comes to indoor air quality, a revolution is coming!
Cant believe not once did they mention like air purifiers. I had a whole house air purifier installed in my home in 2021 during the pandemic, cuz i have medical conditions. Not gonna lie, its super expensive... mine was $1499 with lifetime warranty. I could tell a big difference in air quality. Its also more than just to protect against viruses.
They do talk about merv13 in the HVAC but yeah
This is a no brainer - they found that SARS spread through ventilation systems in 2018
I have that air monitor that they show attached to the wall. It's called the AirThings View Plus and its totally awesome. It completely changed the way I think about air. Sleeping with my dog in my room and my window closed would have me wake up to a CO2 reading above 3000. No wonder I was feeling groggy in the morning! The 2.5ppm particle info is also super handy and I have since bought an air purifier. Life is pretty good now!
That engineer who retrofits hvac systems has such a cool job (pun intended)
Benjamin Franklin noted in the 1800’s that opening windows to improve air circulation reduced the transmission of the common cold. Meanwhile, our political establishment instituted arbitrary, blanket policies that led to loss of life, diminished quality of life, and an economic shutdown, the results of which are still not fully realised. The $33T national debt, coupled with large, entrenched annual deficits will have disastrous consequences for the future of our nation.
Polluted toxic indoor air...yes.
This makes me sick. I'm an HVAC tech in a hospital and these are the standards that we have always maintained. While he was working from home and sheltering in place we were out there risking our health to ensure proper air quality. Just because he never thought of it doesn't mean that it hasn't been thought of. SMH
I was told the air filters could hold the virus for almost two weeks. How did you not die!
And shoutout to folks like you. I'd be surprised if modern hospital HVAC hygiene hasn't saved many, many thousands of people just on its own
Air Quality is a huge issue to me, goes Far Beyond any airborne microbes. How about the Smoldering Chemicals from building materials:
Carpets, Glue, Drywall, Paint ect.
Cant even open a window due to city traffic exhaust. The list goes on....
The point of the segment is that we need to do it everywhere, not just hospitals
They aren’t talking about hospitals. They’re referencing everyday buildings where people spend the majority of their lives.
What about airplanes? These are the most easy places of transmission, still are today!
I said this to my circle of friends back in 2020 and even made some social media posts about this. Furthermore, I also argued that Taiwan, which did really well, is hot and humid year around, so the use of AC is very common. The high humidity and frequent rain provided moisture particles for the virus to bind to and quickly drop to the ground because of gravity. Taiwan's early success was likely and largely due to this effect and that they were more compliant with mask. I am certain that if we go back and look at data, we will find environments with high natural or man-make air filtration effects had lower transmission rate. Vast parts of the US has very dry and Americans are very liberal with use of indoor heating, so the air is very dry and helped suspending the virus particles in the air. Anyway, we all need to get HEPA filters for our homes, and hopefully ones with ultraviolet light that disinfect the HEPA filter intakes or outlets.
To be fair, Taiwan invoked essentially defense production act to have 95s for the population, and as an island had quarantines in place
@@marcialitt4431Most Taiwanese worn regular surgical masks during the pandemic, so your information is not accurate.
Please report on the significant deathrate increase since COVID. comparing 2019 deathrates to present. What are people dying of now?
I acquired bacterial pneumonia at a restaurant with a poor air system in 2014. In 2020, someone that had felt sick for a few days ran into me and expelled hot breath in my face and gave me COVID-19 that lasted for nearly eleven months.
Shows the ignorance of humanity when you don't get that germs circulate in the air.
Remarkable!!! Only if cigar aficionados had this ground breaking technology!! Life saving & definitely worth the R&D investment!
Imagine if you had this technology in your bathroom ceilings?!
shocked they didn't mention the change to the airlines in the 1970's
When I was vaping a lot it made me think differently abou the air around me. Vaping puts color to the air coming out of your lungs. It just hovers. It made me mindful of the air quality around me no matter where I'm at. Hopefully the pandemic makes it to where our air quality is better.
I under stand lungs can clean themselves. But only up to a point. Breathing in silica dust is permanent. And that stuff is everywhere. When you sweep its bad. I try to wear masks when I sweep. And I bought a air filter/purifier for my apartment. I breathe in dust all day at work (I try not to, but it's next to impossible.) and when I'm at home it's my sanctuary.
What people cant see, they don't think much about. Ive seen people react to the air at work, and they don't get it.
Now if you can just get everyone (who didn’t learn from the pandemic or even believe it exists) to cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze. People don’t learn.
LAZY and selfish TODDLERS..... "MINE" .... sheesh
Never, many ppl still coughing openly no covering of mouth. I still mask and distance in stores.
That part 🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
What about students in schools?
It will be better to open your windows rather than inhale someone's microbes.
NY and NJ nursing homes were devastated as they were hit with the first wave in March 2020 where no one was masking. Some nursing homes lost 20 patients in a single week. A doctor told me he lost more patients in one month than his whole career. When that original Wuhan strain of the virus made its way to the Midwest cities their nursing homes were ready with medical grade masks and none of these cities were hit remotely as bad as NY and NJ. Even by time that the majority of seniors were fully vaccinated nationally nobody surpassed NY and NJ for nursing home terminal cases. And simply look at Japan and South Korea who are densely populated, have a large senior population, and no shortage of cancer patients (particularly stomach cancers). These two countries masked diligently as a matter of civic responsibility. They had fewer infections than mask shunning Florida had total terminal cases. And since their September 2023 surge in covid wastewater testing they were the only state on the eastern seaboard where a majority of the counties had covid hospitalizations well above the national average. Unsurprisingly as the Dean of Baylor Medical College noted recently the counties wifh the fewest vaccinated and boosted seniors were the very counties that were sticking out like a sore thumb for increased hospitalizations.
Is this Baylor in TX?
@MNP208 correc. Dean Klotman does a weekly UA-cam video on the state of vaccination and Texas. While we're on the topic. I've looked closely at Texas because they unlike Florida are very transparent about their covid data. Their November 2021 report in year one of vaccination was the largest of its kind review of all statewide testing and hospital admissions for covid. This included the peak of the Delta variant outbreak in that summer that devastated South Texas. They stratified all results by age, sex, vaccination status from January to October 2021. The MedCram UA-cam channel perhaps the most viewed by U.S. medical school students did an entire 30 minute analysis of Governor Gregg Abott's Department of Health report. The results were startling and mirrored those of many other high population centers that came later. But with some interesting findings that contradicted the narrative that covid was only taking 80 year olds. The average age was in the early 60s (not even Medicare eligibility age). And the group that saw the greatest reduction of terminal outcome (vax vs unvax) were those under age 25. This report was the impetus for many of the private sector vaccine mandates to return to the office.
The Asian countries like South Korea and Japan people have been costumed to wearing masks before covid even hit. Even in China too! I know because I have been there before covid (way before covid). People wore masks there. Either because of pollution or health reasons. So....they are costumed to doing it already. As the United States is was NOT costumed to wearing masks. It just was not in the U.S. culture. That is why you had people complaining about masks or just not wanting to do it. Then there is always ALWAYS are you wearing a properly fitted mask and the correct one?
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If you're building a new house install an ERV with dedicated ducts.
I was saying this since 2019 and people thought I was a total wacko....I'm so sick of normies, my whole life is plagued with their judgement.
These stories always have “Hollywood endings” flowers and sunshine smh! That guy needs to tell the truth! There’s a lot of businesses that CANNOT and WILL NOT ever make these important improvements for employee health
imagine if you published this back when we first learned it. instead of years later...
They've been yelling about it for years. Public health authorities (including the WHO and CDC) don't want to hear it.
Groundbreaking research from the University of Duh.
There’s always a hot or cold spot in the buildings I’ve worked in. These are not old buildings (built w/in last 5 years) yet they can’t get HVAC to work so that people aren’t freezing or boiling up. Adding this layer of super filtration is great but if they still can’t get the basics down…It doesn’t help that an entire wall on the west-facing side bakes all afternoon; the HVAC doesn’t pivot with the changing heat build-up. The buildings are also built on Superfund toxic waste sites, which have residual TCE moving up from the ground into buildings. Constant 24/7 air circulation/filtration is required to avoid setting off alarms.
The caveate to this demo although very good is that multiple people were singing so if more than one choral member had covid it would be twice as bad but also what is not shown is that everyone in the room was inhaling then exhaling that infected air spreading it around the room even faster.
Agreed. I kinda wish they showed all of the mannequins exhaling at once to really drive the point home.
But even with one mannequin, it was still plenty "aerosoley" in there!
I can't believe that everybody isn't thinking this way. I mean it's common sense. I remember in 2018 when I worked for a company. And I was in a room in the building called secure master banking room. There was no air filtration system in that room. When 1 person got sick, everybody the whole room all 32 people got sick.
Meanwhile you are standing almost on top of each other as you speak to one another....so much for air "quality"
There is no way that a service industry where most Americans work will change anything about air handling because it would cost too much. The industry would rather hire another worker to take them places of those sick than fix the problem that got their workers sick
"apparently, covid is airborne, more than 6 feet" -dr. genius LMAFO
I work the hvac coil cleaning business. You all have no idea how dirty these hvac units are 😂😂. Like omg its terrible
Very informative and important; great job 60 Minutes!
This information is odd because many hospitals already exchange the air in hospitals. This isn't a surprise to Hospital Administrators.
And yet, MANY hospitals and medical centers have horrendous indoor air quality. I take my Aranet CO2 monitor with me to medical appointments over the last 2 years, and the ventilation in every place but one was terrible. So, it either 1) is a surprise to many hospital administrators, or 2) hospital administrators don’t care at all about minimizing spread inside their buildings. 🤷🏻♀️
@@JustAnotherViewer10 Seven states currently use the "ASHRAE standards". This requires air cycling (ACH air cycling per hour). "may require different pressure relationships and higher ACH rates, depending on the specific pathogens involved". Some rooms will have different ACH values depending on the need. Are you saying examination rooms have poor air quality? The video primarily uses footage from New York. I don't find this to be giving the whole truth.
@@JustAnotherViewer10Same here! My doctor's office exam room was over 1900 just last week. (I love my Aranet4. It's so cool!)
@@user-nl8tm8jl8l I am saying that hospitals and exam rooms have poor quality. I am aware of the ASHRAE standards. Currently, ASHRAE Standard 62 is the current (and outdated) standard for indoor air quality. The updated standard is ASRHAE 241, but it has not yet been incorporated into building codes. The problem is that the ASHRAE standards are only required to be met when the building is constructed but unoccupied, and there is not one checking to see if buildings are continuing to maintain IAQ standards. There is no authority and no forcing function. I am in a lot of groups fighting for improved IAQ standards in loads of buildings, and I can tell you that in the overwhelming majority, indoor air quality is absolutely terrible, FAR above the CDC-recommended standard of 600 ppm of CO2.
You learn something every day. Very interesting report. I wonder how many businesses in America are going to penny pinch, or become forward thinkers & create more & more “healthy buildings?”
What about airplanes? They’ve always been petri dishes of bacteria. I think for a while there they tried to do some thing, but it cost too much money to cool down the air. Know anybody who takes a flight, takes a health risk.
How have we made improvements in food quality? I really don’t think so.
Such an obvious solution. The only reason this doesn't happen is probably because it's expensive for people to implement.
Retrofitting can be impossibly expensive, but at the design stage, it really isn’t. It’s mostly just a matter of setting an industry standard. Construction relies heavily on standards. Doing the engineering work to deviate from a set standard would be more expensive than cheaping out on HVAC for a new building
I run a company that solely retrofits ventilation systems in mid to high rise multi family residential buildings in NYC. It’s not even close to impossibly expensive. Knowing how to do it the right way the first retrofit is what makes it not impossibly expensive.
@@MrJohnctwomey That's interesting. I guess compared to stuff like masking and social distancing and other more trivial measures, it seems more expensive.
But that doesn't really account for the loss of life or the loss of time in terms of quicker reopening that could have occurred had there been better ventilation systems in place.
@@MrJohnctwomey key phrase: “can be”
Here's the irony. People spent untold amounts of money on insulation making their buildings airtight reducing the need for heating and cooling Now apparently need to spend more money on bringing outside air back in. Plus the additional expense for the cooling/heating of that outside air they otherwise would not have.
That's not exactly true. It's not ideal to have uncontrolled air changes. Once the building is tight, air changes can be controlled and adjusted by occupancy. Additionally, there are systems like energy recovery ventilators that allow for the air to be exchanged while reducing energy usage.
@@mtgibbs It also cleans the incoming outside air filtering out pollen or other pollution, so you are left with fresh filtered air.
@@Neubs-xv8tw Yes, that's a great point.
This was obvious from the beginning.
MERV 13 is a fairly low standard. Surprised that’s considered state of the art.
Thanks for shedding some insight. People don't know.
MERV 16 catches particles down to 1 micron and I believe that is the size of the covid 19 virus.
Yes iirc, Merv 13 is the lowest it should be, right? The minimum!
4:13 that’s not even close to what it looks like when you breath air,,,,there’s way better models of that clear looking air movement that shows how it looks when you exhale
Imagine having this technology to vent humidity and toxic fumes from bathroom via negative pressure ducts in the ceiling?!
That's why people get sick on airplanes.
Exactly!!!
Wow, this is such an insightful post! Thank you for sharing this valuable information
with us.
Timely.
Elementary classrooms!!
They told us about this. They kept telling us, in the beginning 🤷🏽♀️
Why can a colleague of mine in Canada not see this video?
LOL. At least Amazon warehouse workers dont have to worry about the air they breathe.
Great analysis +
Put two HEPA air purifiers in my Dad's home, his breathing has now improved.
60 Minutes is still on TV?!?
But belief in surface spread created so many jobs. Scrubbing on the stairs railing, scrubbing the library shelves, scrubbing doorknobs. Round and round and round they go.
Better late than never.
People who ignore the obvious shouldn’t be treated like victims. Like why did the other 50 some people stay away? Because they knew better 😮
What's obvious to you may not be to someone else. We weren't running ads about COVID being airborne and a focus on air quality, among other things. I had to seek out information about COVID. Lots of other people rely on the government which doesn't always have our best interest at heart, especially the USA.
As a critical care nurse of 20 years, I say, the main way to avoid viruses like covid 19..is to not bioengineer them in DARPA-funded labs to infect humans in the 1st place.
Now install trap doors under workers' desks who have BO or wear too much perfume/aftershave.
What are we supposed to do to keep the air in our homes healthy?
Oh, the arrogance of mankind. Mother Nature has been in charge long before we took our first steps. Mother Nature will still be in charge long after we are gone.
So the choir couldn’t have caught it when they left choir practice?? C’mon man!
No kidding! This is such biased reporting.
If all the choir does the same thing outside after practice, but only half of them, those who attended, caught it, then it’s fair to say who caught it at practice and who didn’t.
But more air changes in a room means more energy consumption. The more people breathing also increases the co2 in the atmosphere which is killing the planet.
Felt like a combination of a hvac commercial and a commercial for Amazon career recruitment... Than a DUH covid segment...
His motivation is sales not safety.you can see the greed for potential earnings in his eyes.
“Everyday of the year” but you sleep with the windows open “every night”. Not everynight? Everyweek? Everymonth?
Ventilation Ventilation and Ventilation.
Stilll going to continue working from HOME
How is this news???
ASHRAE 62.1 62.1 ?????????
It’s been there for a while …..
Taught me never to trust a damn thing I hear from the government ever again
This is what Hrant Cardone was talking about
Just go outside. Being indoorsy is kinda creepy anyway
Why don't we all just stop breathing??????
Lock you down inside your home and then tell you that the air quality is bad .... inside your home .... Why lockdown at all?
We also opened our windows as recommended since ancient romans 🤣 when a virus spreads you leave doors open, basic science
We keep open windows year round. One in front and another in back for constant air flow. They're open just enough for a person to not be able to slip through and have a safety lock so they can't be raised; and have alarms. Our neighborhood is quiet and safe but I feel better because you never know.
In winter it is great sleeping weather even in sub zero temperatures. We just layer on more clothes during the day and blankets at night. Lol
In 100 year old houses radiators are under windows to combat the free cold flow of fresh air that was considered healthful and a proven preventative of TB spread
Not everyone lives in your climate zone. Open the windows in Texas and you not only run the HVAC more, but also warp your wood floors due to humidity.
@@benbohannon
Yes. Climate zone matters. I live in Ohio and normally it is in August when its hot and humid but not like Texas.
I put liquid vape CBD’s in my indoor air system. Now I see space aliens in my backyard.
they sing the way to heaven
lol who says it was not airborne
The World Health Organization and CDC were two organizations that denied it (you can search for "admits Covid is airborne" to find some articles about that), and much of the official messaging is still mainly about washing hands and getting vaccinated, so I assume a majority of people don't understand how Covid spreads and that those without symptoms can be contagious.
Dear 60 Minutes: if you find this topic interesting, please investigate how Finland totally failed during the COVID-19 pandemic - our media and decision makers are so intertwined they will never initiate a real investigation on this issue themselves. On the contrary, they actually tried to diminish the credibility of people who were the best professionals if they happened to endorse the airborne transmission theory, probably one of the best examples is calling professor of pulmonary medicine, a head of the department at Helsinki University Hospital a "grassroots activist" in the context of COVID-19 article.
This is truly bizarre. We should not be a third world country but when it comes to COVID, we seem to act like one.
Millions of lives.
And the researchers have stock in the companies they recommend..
Cmon. We're hip to the game
… airborne… duh. If only the people in power listened to “the science” instead of pharmaceutical $
Here comes 1000 dollar a month air filters.
How much was 60 Minutes paid to do this story? So flagrantly obvious and very disappointing that 60 Minutes is damaging its reputation with something like this. Using Covid with an example where the HVAC system wasn't on AND the elderly weren't wearing masks as rationale for this advertisement - gee the fellow they interview is a consultant and sells ventilation systems...do ya think he's the best, most objective individual to be touting this stuff? Maybe the guy has a little bit of a conflict of interest thing going on in terms of lining his pocketbook? Nah that would never happen in america...!! Where is Vivek Murthy in this one? Or any other number of known, credible, objective authoritative sources?
Wow, who knew, monday morning quarterbacks are a thing?
Mercury as pesticide☠️
No one in those building getting sick building syndrome
I was recently approached to take part in a scientific study, and one of the questions was Which gender are you? with a choice of 4 answers....
This "report" has about the same level of scientific legitimacy.
I theorized all of this in March 2020.