@@austinjones8420 you get the day off. No one celebrates it. It's the day you return items. I. E. The day you put your stuff back in boxes and return them.
Too pure? He celebrates the death penalty, especially when folks are violently and inhumanely brought to "justice," and is fine with personally carrying out a dog genocide. He's an ass.
it breaks my heart to see simon's reaction at the end of this video... i honestly had to listen to it in two parts, because i couldn't take the whole thing at once. there are truly despicible and evil people out there. but one of the things that i love most about this channel is how much simon CARES. you can see it in his face, hear it in his voice. he genuinely cares about the victims. even when they're not kids, but expecially when they are kids. and the pain he felt at the end of this video was so raw... and echoed what i was feeling as well... go hug your kids Simon... and go do some Decoding the unknown so you can laugh at dumb people to cheer yourself up.... please. you're a beutiful person. take care of yourself.
There are some people who really, really challenge your belief in a good and fair justice system, not because they got away too easy but because there isn't any appropriate punishment.
@@Religion0 One of the reasons I believe in God is because if He *doesn't* exist, then what's even the *point?* There are so many people who are never caught, so many people who *are* caught but *nothing* that could be done to them would ever balance the scales, and so many people who are convicted for crimes they didn't commit. If there is no God, there is no final justice and I don't think I could bare to live in a world like that.
That last quote from the mother broke me and the tears came. I had to look away. I turned back to see Simon get up and leave. And it I felt like he’d just lost it with me.
Same. I watch so much true crime and consume so much information about the horrors of this world, but I have never cried. I’ve felt the pain of empathy, along with complete and utter outrage and disgust. But those mother’s words were just too visceral, and I had to stop and just cry.
My heart breaks for Keith Bennett’s mother, Winnie Johnson, she never stopped looking for his remains. Police recently went looking again but were unable to find him. I hope one day he will be found and returned to his family.
I believe they found a skull a couple of weeks ago when looking for him, I haven’t seen anything about whether it’s confirmed his yet but hopefully he can finally be laid to rest with his family soon
@@meganphillips3393 It wasn’t human remains it was organic plant matter apparently. Personally I think it was a publicity stunt for the author and his book but that’s just me. 🤷♀️
@@bigtguitars7312 she passed in 2012, not knowing where he was. Watching the last few interviews with her is…I want to cry just thinking about it. He still has some family alive. The police announced later that no human remains had been found.
I want to thank the writer for finishing the episode talking about the families and survivors of this ordeal, it was very poignant and respectful, these people are all too often ignored in true crime.
That's one of the reasons I appreciate this channel many of the writer and Steven himself value the victims and families and don't hide or shut out that the horror affects them at times.
The fact they refused to give the locations of the last bodies to just mess with the parents even after their arrests is one of the most fucked up parts of this case. its sad.
Simon, I’ve heard this story multiple times and it disturbed me, but that was it. Your telling of the story actually hurt my heart. Your empathy is palpable. Your raw emotions translate in your story telling and although it is taxing on you, please know that it is appreciated and respected. I don’t know what you do to make yourself feel better but whatever it is, go do it 🥰
Poor Jen. Her part of the process is having to listen to these over and over and find the right bits and cuts. Find the right level/tones to keep it entertaining, informative, and respectful. She makes that tough balance look easy. Great script, Chris, and compassionate reading, Simon. Ugh... Off to rewatch the Maple Syrup heist.
Club Jen 👋👋👋💝 Dont worry. She's proffessional..... at that stage it's just work. detached. words. research and artistic process.. Just like Stephen King is not hiding in the closet while writing. She's probably wacthing with us and then going through the emotions while taking in the story.
How the ever loving f**k did Chris manage to listen to that tape without vomiting or needing serious mental health support? I've never listened to it but the idea of listening to a child going through such an awful ordeal is something that I can't imagine ever doing. 😢
Well, I kept it together until the end - I can’t even - I’m always ok until Simon isn’t….but it’s important to remember, all the victims. Those who died and the enormous ripple effect of those left behind. 😢 you are genuinely a good man Simon. ❤
I've rarely seen anything more unnerving than when the Hindley and Brady photographs "came alive"...or anything more heartwrenching than when Lesley's photo animated. I took to blocking my view when the photos appeared later. But not Lesley's. It was important to not block her out, to negate her suffering.
When my wife and I went to the UK on holidays just before COVID, we went to saddleworth moor and we laid some flowers on the fence line. I heard about this case years ago and it’s always stuck with me. It wasn’t much, but I felt like even from across the world, those poor kids won’t be forgotten.
Hey Simon! I want you to know I’ve always appreciated the effort from which you go to in order to try and maintain as much respect and dignity for the victims and their families as can be conscripted, and bring even more! You bring an essential element of humanitarianism to the True Crime genre that I don’t think you give yourself enough credit for. Take care of yourself, and put yourself and your family’s health, welfare, and safety first before putting a thought to your audience! Your audience will always be patient with you and understand!
@@shaunabrahams7796 I don’t generally watch them as I have really bad migraines, and Simon’s voice is really nice to listen to when I can’t handle a lot, so I didn’t realize that was a thing. However, that seems more like a decision on Jen’s part than Simon’s, though he did ultimately decide to put it up. Also, I think it’s up for interpretation whether or not it’s disrespectful to animate the recently deceased’s faces. I, personally, don’t view it as much different than watching home videos of lost loved ones, and recall the comfort it was to my family the little clips we had of my grandpa. It was a video, yeah, but he was just mostly making faces at the camera. Those stills really helped my grandma after he first died. But I can absolutely see how people can find it disrespectful, too!
Yer I agree it's not his fault its Jens but when you say it's up to interpretation. He has John Kilbride with an animated smile while describing him being sexualy assaulted and having throat cut. It might be passable if these animated images where happening during a bit talking about the child's life but how and where its done is wrong
My dad was actually a milkman during this period and delivered milk to Brady and Hindley's neighbour... He was 17. This case has always fascinated me, glad to see Simon and the team do it justice.
Just wanted to give you a big hug at the end, Fact Boy. Winnie Johnson fought so hard for Keith, and Myra Hyndley was all sweetness and light to her in public but called her a bloody nuisance in private. Also, personalish fact, Hyndley died in 2002, a few months after my Dad, in the same hospital and was cremated in the same crematorium. Felt irrationally angry about that for the last 20 years. How dare she.
Irrational or not, I can see why you'd be upset. It seems that most humans, me included, don't want to be near what we consider to be "bad". Almost as if it would rub off on us even though that's not technically how it works in a physical sense.
I don't normally cry at these, but that last line just absolutely destroyed me. Simon deserves all of the applause here for how much empathy he managed to show, Chris for his amazing script, and Jen for her amazing editing Hard hitting episode.
The more Casual Criminalist videos I watch, the more I am in awe of this team's dedication. These are some of the most indepth and heart wrenching stories but they push through. Thank you guys and may those taken rest easy
I grew up on the estate where these monsters lived and committed these awful crimes. 30odd years later though. I've met Keith's mum and brother a few times at charity events. My heart would always break for them.
You from hatters? I'm from on the moors near walker wood reservoir, it still gets so quiet up there that I'm certain they weren't the only ones to bury people up there.
@@ewancarey5847 yes I am. My friend actually lived at the house next door to where the Hindley/braidy home once stood. Wouldn't be surprised at all that plenty of other poor souls are buried up there. Also wouldn't at all be surprised if they themselves had more victims up there.
My great grandma served Lesley-Ann her lunch at school. My Dad said he never saw his grandmother cry, but the closest he ever saw her coming to it was whenever she recalled Lesley. It apparently haunted her until she died in 1996.
@@k.stewart007small world. I grew up on hattersley and my sister's friend lived in that house in the 90's. My sister stayed there a few times. I think she was to young to know about what happened next door
My cat went missing a year ago and even though I know it's extremely unlikely she's alive, I still click on every "found cat" post that looks even remotely like her, still whip my head around at stray cats on the street, still check if her microchip details are the same. I cannot even fathom having to deal with those same emotions, but for your child. How absolutely agonising that would be to be almost certain they're dead, but never quite sure. Always in pain from their loss but never getting closure, constantly getting your hopes raised then dashed over years, and even decades.
I found a cat once.. about a year ish old no chip but hungry and sweet. A dumbbell no street smarts so for sure lost from loving home. We tried like crazy to find the owner.. in the end we had nearly 18years with the little trouble maker. He always wanted to escape to eat grass so he could puke on something important in our home. He was spoiled rotten his whole life and even had a little sister kitty to annoy like crazy. We loved him so and I often think of his original people not knowing how well we cared for him. I always wish there was away to make them feel better but they must’ve been heartbroken. It was a big city and he had no chip. (Till we chipped him). I always hope ppl remember that sometimes..sometimes things do work out and their lost love is all right. I hope yours was✨💞✨ xo
I can usually get through these episodes alright, but that last part managed to make me break down into tear, it was so heartbreaking. Those poor families. Excellent work on the script Chris, great job as always Simon and Jen working on the video.
Yeah this is a hard listen. 37 year old man and still getting teary-eyed and sad. Hearing about those parents especially the one hearing her own child on audio tape.
Poor Jen. Her part of the process is having to listen to these over and over and find the right bits and cuts. Find the right level/tones to keep it entertaining, informative, and respectful. She makes that tough balance look easy. Great script, Chris, and compassionate reading, Simon. Ugh... Off to rewatch the Maple Syrup heist.
Bless him there’s always a point where Simon’s bubbly nature just… gives way under the horror of these crimes. On the one hand, I hope Simon never loses his cheerfulness but on the other, I wish everyone handled true crime like this.
I’m profoundly calloused to true crime and I don’t say that proudly. However, its little things like the closing moments of today’s episode, Simon and Chris able to bring tears to my eyes, that reassure me I’m still human.
Same. I was listening while cleaning my room, and hearing about kids being murdered didn't really prompt a reaction from me. I think it's the knowledge that this is well in the past and the murderers have been caught and punished for their crimes that makes it so my empathy doesn't kick in... which is a scary thought, honestly. I'm not proud of that. But then seeing that mother in the video and hearing/seeing Simon's reaction brought me to tears.
Very much the same. I have a disconnect with these things. They don't seem real to me. I know they are, but it just doesn't sink in. Hearing about the mother looking for her lost boy got me though. She never found him.
Hard. Fucking. Same. I'm a true crime buff and a woman on the internet so I like to think I'm inured to a lot of the unpleasant things people can do. That last Dismembered Appendix got to me, though. I'm practical enough to know if that boy was my son the chances of me getting him back and giving him the proper rites are just shy of zero. I hope I'd give him a memorial stone in the family plot and figure out how to live with a gaping rent in my heart. But I know there's a good chance I'd say to hell with reason or sense and comb the moors just as she did. Just shy zero isn't zero.
I so enjoy when Simon talks about his kids. You can so tell how much he and his wife are enjoying being parents. Before I had kids, and I'd watch my true crime stuff, crimes against kids did upset me. But after I became a Mom I couldn't hardly stand it. Those kind of horrific crimes this man and woman committed would make me extremely mad and sad because I would think of my own kids. It is so wonderful to see Simon and his wife so enjoying being parents. Just a tiny bit of advice coming from a Mom of 3, that are now all grown, enjoy every minute now. They truly do grow up so very fast.
I am not ashamed to admit this one had me in tears multiple times, hearing about the pain and loss felt by so many, and the relief at hearing those murderers died imprisoned or incarcerated after they were caught.
That last line, you made me cry at work. What an absolutely brutal way to end such a horrible story. Also Canada has boxing day, known for clearance sales.
My thoughts from before I had a child, to after I did, is amazingly different. I agree with you, and him, u put ur own kids in that place, and, beforehand u would be sad, after uve had kids, ur heartbroken. Although, honestly, the man, I’m sure is the scummy piece of sh** behind this whole idea, she was just probably brainwashed. She is a victim, not as much as the real victims, but a victim none the less
@@jeffersonott4357 I agree she was probably brainwashed. It’s difficult to understand that both are possible at the same time, but I’m confident she wouldn’t have done what she did if she hadn’t met him.
@@VormirBlas Aye. I agree. Most likely she was a victim too, in her own way. It doesn't excuse, but it at least explains. Explanations are very important, and we can hopefully use them to prevent this kind of thing happening in other places.
@@LaylaSpellwind She was certainly not a victim, she was a callus murder who laughed at victims as they were tortured to death. It's true that she probably would have never murdered anybody if they never met, however it's also probable that without a willing accomplice to lure these innocent children into their clutches that Brady wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill so many children. It is not unique by any stretch to have two people meet and support each other in murder. There is however a bias towards women murderers that they didn't mean it and it's a man's fault (even if the man is the victim) but this isn't always the case, and people shouldn't go down that rabbit hole. In the case of Fred and Rose west for example their own children said that Rose was the more cruel and would egg Fred on to do more murders. It's almost a type of toxic masculinity to believe women aren't capable of such cruelty without a man pushing them. And it is incorrect.
Simon's commentary on this horrific case was as brilliant as ever. Then the reaction at the end of the appendices just put a huge lump in my throat. Credit to everyone involved in this episode, but especially to Simon
You can hear that Simon is a great father and they care deeply for their kids, as someone who watches Simon for a long time before he became a father I'm happy for him
While there were many CasCrim videos where I've shead a tear, this one by far was the worst. The thought of that little girl... her mother, those policeman and any other person who had to endure hearing that cursed tape... My heart goes to all off them, I cannot fathom such horror. My highest praises to the whole CasCrim team. Work on such video must be hard. Writing it, reading and editing mean that you need to dive deep, make reshoots, watch/listen multiple times etc. Which - especially in case of cases where children are involved - must be tough at times.
When Simon just got up and walked away after this one ....all the feels....and tears. This one hurt bad as a parent....especially that about the recording (i have a 10 year old child)....wow. First CC to actually make me truly cry.
On the day that Keith Bennett was taken 😥 my friend's 14 year old cousin was out shopping for his mum and was approached by Myra Hindley but heeded the warning about strangers from his mum and had a very lucky escape 🤯 Also the UK band The Smiths was named after the couple that apparently exposed the Moors Murderers
Pretty sure the band isn't named after the guy who exposed the murders but because Morisssey thought it was the most ordinary name. They do have a song about the murders called Suffer Little Children
I usually cry and some point in these, but not like this. Absolutely heartbreaking. A horrific story but so respectful to the victims and their families. Great work Chris, Simon and Jen
I was a long-time viewer of Today I Found Out, Biographics, etc., when I stumbled on Brain Blaze (formerly Business Blaze), then this channel and Decoding the Unknown. I've been glad to see more of actual Simon in these later channels. On days like today, when the actual Simon we see is the one whose heart is breaking for abused and murdered children, I wish a hug could travel across the internet. I'm glad he has a wife and children to deliver actual hugs.
I teared up at the very last bit. This was a fantastic script (and episode). I wanted to say thank you, for bringing the respect and remembrance that every vixtim deserves (not just in this case, but all the others covered on your channel, and the thousands more we may never be made aware of). Thank you for not glorifying the perpetrators also (though this channel is especially professional in keeping the focus on the victims, rightly so). Thanks Chris for your meaningful and elegant prose, and thank you to Jen for adding the photos and video footage. Altho that eye blinky effect was a bit distracting at times).
I could have gone a lifetime without the last minute of this video. That hit me harder than any other video I've watched on this, or any other channel.
I think of all of Simon's channels, this is probably the one we have seen him grow and mature the most. I've gotta hand it to him. That last piece at the end was one where I knew exactly how he must have felt. That wasn't a "script is over, time to turn off the camera" moment. I never thought I'd feel the same way too, but he's right about having kids changing you. I don't know how to describe that, other than a "nope, I'm done. Can't do this one anymore," moment. Now I need to go hug my kids.
I'm right there with you Simon. It hits so much closer to home when it's children who are harmed. Yes, when John and Jane Doe grab a middle aged dude and knife him behind the bar it is a tragedy, but when there's kids involved it becomes such a more heart wrenching tale. As far as recordings, I couldn't imagine being Leslie's mother and hearing that recording, I'd have gone ballistic and don't think I could have recovered. There was a fairly recent UK murder of an Arthur Labinjo-Hughes where there is a publicly available recording of the boy just before his death, you can hear him crying "nobody loves me, nobody's going to feed me" as he struggles to lift something as light as a blanket. All I could think is that it's certainly not true that nobody loved him because in that moment I did, and when my wife saw the article about him she did too. I listened to it while at work, and I could barely make it through the rest of my daily calls. I couldn't imagine being the first one to hear that knowing what was going to happen to him just hours later. I went home and hugged my son and daughter probably a good 4 minutes each just telling them I love them. Sick monsters like Arthur's parents and these monstrous animals exist, and it is horrific what they do to the most innocent among us. So you go do the same Simon, hug yours, hug them tight.
My grandad was part of the jury on this case. Whenever those monsters would be on the tv even years later he would turn as white as a sheet. He told us how bad the tape was (not in full detail but enough for me to know I never want to read the transcript or hear it). The sh*t they did, they deserved the death penalty.
I've never shed a tear due to any of your videos before, Simon, but the ending of this one rattled me. A really good episode despite how I'm currently feeling. Thanks for all the content, my good man.
@Arden A. W. I'm pretty sure he raged about him just disappearing. I'm pretty sure he walked away to go cry after this video, and I'm right there with him. Normally there's not so much information on the victims families available, and hearing it all makes it so much harder.
I give Simon credit for making it to the end of this one. Very emotional the ones with the kids. I favor Simon walking out on the end as he does in Into the Shadows on this one. Every time Simon mentioned it made him think of his kids I swear I thought the same thing just before he said it. The last image with the mother really hit me. Well done Simon.
Myra - so glad she was never released. So glad. Or him. But her "I've changed, I've changed" rhetoric, the way they let her study and have graduation photos ... those parents never got to see their kids graduate anything, not even their 21st birthdays. Bless you, Simon and team, for caring so much. xxx I've watched so many docs on this but you guys brought to light a few extras from those beautiful parents who lost so much. And now I'm in tears. Held it until Winnie ...
The team for this channel never ceases to amaze me with how considerate and kind they are when handling any type of case. Simon manages to walk the line of respectful while still bringing comedy to the story without making a joke out of the victims or what happened to them. Its become a real issue in the true crime community. Nothing against makeup and crime time channels, i love several of them, but it is really bizzare to see these people getting ready for a normal day while describing the most horrific acts imaginable. Simon makes it feel like a mini documentary in a way, and manages to break the tension when he needs to and let the story speak for itself other times. This is by far the best true crime channel i think I will ever find on the internet.
Ten minutes in and Simon is still sounding relatively jolly. Knowing the details of this case and knowing Simon's limits from previous episodes, I'm expecting a hard tonal shift pretty sharpish.
Much love, Simon; I can see how much this one took out of you. I wish you a large mug of your most comforting beverage and a solid, peaceful night's sleep.
The presentation of emotions affects the overall outcome of any piece of media in some form or another. I've seen many different versions with this case. When it comes down to this type of media content ( a podcast/youtube docu-series channel), I've yet to discover anything that comes even close to surpassing this one. From Simon's raw emotional blurbs, whether positive, negative or neutral, to the work the writers put into crafting the scripts, to matching the video edits with the arch of the story. In my honest opinion, this deserves nothing less than a metaphorical standing ovation in the form of a youtube comment. Take a little breather Simon (and all included). You deserve it.
I was born in 1965 and have read about these two. Have had the story drummed into me by relatives. Watched the documentaries about them. I am a horror/crime addict but I always end up shedding a tear when I think of the poor people who have had to hear the audio tape these monsters made.
I've seen several documentaries about these two and a movie about Lord Longford. I'm not heartless, but since it happened years ago and in a foreign country, I could step back from it. That is until you mentioned the poor mother setting a place at that table and getting her boy gifts. Dear Lord. My son is grown with his own toddler now. Maybe because we didn't have so much crime information available before the internet, but I don't remember being worried that something like this would happen to my son. But now, I think about it a lot with my grandson. I'm in tears for that mother.
The script on this was amazingly written. I've listened to other podcasts covering the Moors Murders and this one was the best by far. The writing was excellent, the editing was well done and respectful. Simon emotions are always hard hitting, he doesn't cover it up and you know he cares.
As a parent of 3 in a profession which criminals hate and have been known to target. I am moved my the empathy you present when you read these. I always hear you question what could be done better in the investigations and I embody that.
I recall at the time public opinion was very much to bring back hanging for them (I think they just missed the cutoff point?). One of the senior police said he wished that anyone who disagreed with the death penalty for them could listen to the horrific tapes they made. No qualms then, but it was so long ago now I may be misremembering. A very well-done episode; kudos.
All fiction is about redemption (or lack thereof) bc no one has any interest in a random story w/o closure. Each death is a debt to be repaid. Terrific job as usual, Simon.
Simon not even giving a sign off at the end almost made me cry. It’s rare to see a video now he’s become desensitised break him, but he broke, broke hard.
Also Simon, milk men are still a thing. They deliver other things too like bread, eggs cheese, etc. We had this service for a while in Colorado as late as 2018 before we moved.
These heavy hitting casual criminalists are so tough to get through. Props to you Simon for recording them, and also to Jen and Chris. I had to move onto an old Brain Blaze episode to lighten my day. Good coverage all around.
I live in this area and an older friend told me her mum used to tell her not to go down to the market without her or the child snatchers would get her. They were both cruel and tortured the parents. They thought they’d finally found Keith about a week ago but it looks like it was another false start. It’s heartbreaking what this pair did to these families and the area!
Simon, you did an amazing job presenting this topic as usual. It's clear that these topics affect you seriously, please don't force yourself to read scripts that are too painful to read. Your empathy is admirable and you can leave those horrific stories to someone else. Take care of yourself 🙏🏼❤️
Oh Simon 😢 could see how hard that was for you, thanks for doing this nightmare fuel case and letting the poor victims of these creatures be remembered for a while longer...... this is their story......and you told it heartbreakingly well 🕯️
I don't know how the police could've listened to the audio of them torturing that poor girl, then sat down face to face with Ian and listened to him deny what he did.
Every time I think of Winnie looking for Keith on the moors I can't help but cry. She never ever gave up looking for her boy. I hope he is found one day
This episode, especially that ending, was heartbreaking and I started crying because of Simon's emotions. I really want to give Simon, Jen, and Chris hugs because there aren't words to describe how I feel.
The fact that he read that quote and walked away without saying literally anything shows how rough this episode was. Thank you for presenting it Simon, but maybe try to get your writers to not traumatize you on a weekly basis? Plenty of interesting non-child murder stories lol.
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Americans definitely have boxing Day
@@killtherapy4346 is it something we really celebrate though? I never have
@@austinjones8420 you get the day off. No one celebrates it. It's the day you return items. I. E. The day you put your stuff back in boxes and return them.
@@killtherapy4346 I see. Thanks for the insight
Me too, definitely !!!
Simon should have a channel where he reads happy stories. His heart is too pure for too much of this.
Too pure? He celebrates the death penalty, especially when folks are violently and inhumanely brought to "justice," and is fine with personally carrying out a dog genocide. He's an ass.
Yessss like the stuff you see in the faith in humanity Reddit etc
Not good for people to do stuff like this for your mental health also. Gotta have some balance.
"GET EM IN THE CHAIR" had never been more appropriate.
it breaks my heart to see simon's reaction at the end of this video... i honestly had to listen to it in two parts, because i couldn't take the whole thing at once. there are truly despicible and evil people out there. but one of the things that i love most about this channel is how much simon CARES. you can see it in his face, hear it in his voice. he genuinely cares about the victims. even when they're not kids, but expecially when they are kids. and the pain he felt at the end of this video was so raw... and echoed what i was feeling as well...
go hug your kids Simon... and go do some Decoding the unknown so you can laugh at dumb people to cheer yourself up.... please. you're a beutiful person. take care of yourself.
There are some people who really, really challenge your belief in a good and fair justice system, not because they got away too easy but because there isn't any appropriate punishment.
@@Religion0 One of the reasons I believe in God is because if He *doesn't* exist, then what's even the *point?* There are so many people who are never caught, so many people who *are* caught but *nothing* that could be done to them would ever balance the scales, and so many people who are convicted for crimes they didn't commit. If there is no God, there is no final justice and I don't think I could bare to live in a world like that.
I literally came here from the podcast episode because I couldn’t figure out what the sounds at the end were. Wish I hadn’t checked 😬😕
Same. I cried at the end.
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That last quote from the mother broke me and the tears came. I had to look away. I turned back to see Simon get up and leave. And it I felt like he’d just lost it with me.
Same. I watch so much true crime and consume so much information about the horrors of this world, but I have never cried. I’ve felt the pain of empathy, along with complete and utter outrage and disgust. But those mother’s words were just too visceral, and I had to stop and just cry.
That's exactly what happened to me. Had to look away, tears started, looked back and he was just done. Agreed, Simon. Much agreed.
My heart breaks for Keith Bennett’s mother, Winnie Johnson, she never stopped looking for his remains. Police recently went looking again but were unable to find him. I hope one day he will be found and returned to his family.
I believe they found a skull a couple of weeks ago when looking for him, I haven’t seen anything about whether it’s confirmed his yet but hopefully he can finally be laid to rest with his family soon
@@meganphillips3393 It wasn’t human remains it was organic plant matter apparently. Personally I think it was a publicity stunt for the author and his book but that’s just me. 🤷♀️
When they were digging recently I thought why his mum died some years ago so he can’t be returned to her
I believe they mean laid to rest near his family
@@bigtguitars7312 she passed in 2012, not knowing where he was. Watching the last few interviews with her is…I want to cry just thinking about it. He still has some family alive. The police announced later that no human remains had been found.
I want to thank the writer for finishing the episode talking about the families and survivors of this ordeal, it was very poignant and respectful, these people are all too often ignored in true crime.
That's one of the reasons I appreciate this channel many of the writer and Steven himself value the victims and families and don't hide or shut out that the horror affects them at times.
The fact they refused to give the locations of the last bodies to just mess with the parents even after their arrests is one of the most fucked up parts of this case. its sad.
They should have been drugged and tortured every day in prison until they coughed up the location.
They were digging again not long ago
@@DW51380they didn’t find him tragically
Should have pulled out their nails with pliers until they complied
Simon, I’ve heard this story multiple times and it disturbed me, but that was it. Your telling of the story actually hurt my heart. Your empathy is palpable. Your raw emotions translate in your story telling and although it is taxing on you, please know that it is appreciated and respected. I don’t know what you do to make yourself feel better but whatever it is, go do it 🥰
Poor Jen. Her part of the process is having to listen to these over and over and find the right bits and cuts. Find the right level/tones to keep it entertaining, informative, and respectful. She makes that tough balance look easy.
Great script, Chris, and compassionate reading, Simon.
Ugh...
Off to rewatch the Maple Syrup heist.
The Maple Sryup heist is a good one to go back to after a particularly difficult episode 👍
No matter how much Jen is paid, it’s not enough.
i only know of jen because simon always mentions her. but brilliant edits. love the video clips, music. amazing editor with big things in her future
Club Jen 👋👋👋💝
Dont worry. She's proffessional.....
at that stage it's just work. detached. words. research and artistic process.. Just like Stephen King is not hiding in the closet while writing. She's probably wacthing with us and then going through the emotions while taking in the story.
I hope they do the Gardner museum heist. That one has some quite amusing parts.
How the ever loving f**k did Chris manage to listen to that tape without vomiting or needing serious mental health support? I've never listened to it but the idea of listening to a child going through such an awful ordeal is something that I can't imagine ever doing. 😢
One of the best parts of Simon and staff is their crediting contributors and sources.
@Andi Agreed. Unfortunately it's shamefully uncommon on YT
What I love about Simon is his genuine and clear compassion for the victims. You’re a decent man, Simon.
Well, I kept it together until the end - I can’t even - I’m always ok until Simon isn’t….but it’s important to remember, all the victims. Those who died and the enormous ripple effect of those left behind. 😢 you are genuinely a good man Simon. ❤
I've rarely seen anything more unnerving than when the Hindley and Brady photographs "came alive"...or anything more heartwrenching than when Lesley's photo animated. I took to blocking my view when the photos appeared later. But not Lesley's. It was important to not block her out, to negate her suffering.
I thought I was hallucinating! There should be a warning if you’re smoking wacky tobaccy! Not fair. Lol
When my wife and I went to the UK on holidays just before COVID, we went to saddleworth moor and we laid some flowers on the fence line. I heard about this case years ago and it’s always stuck with me. It wasn’t much, but I felt like even from across the world, those poor kids won’t be forgotten.
Those last 2 follow ups actually brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for not asking if we liked it.
Hey Simon! I want you to know I’ve always appreciated the effort from which you go to in order to try and maintain as much respect and dignity for the victims and their families as can be conscripted, and bring even more! You bring an essential element of humanitarianism to the True Crime genre that I don’t think you give yourself enough credit for. Take care of yourself, and put yourself and your family’s health, welfare, and safety first before putting a thought to your audience! Your audience will always be patient with you and understand!
@MC Ellen Well said.
I agree but I think animating dead kids faces was a bit wrong of him.
But yer otherwise always enjoy his stuff
@@falconsoar7312 Thanks! I really hope he knows what a good job he does, because I’m worried he’s often very hard on himself :(
@@shaunabrahams7796 I don’t generally watch them as I have really bad migraines, and Simon’s voice is really nice to listen to when I can’t handle a lot, so I didn’t realize that was a thing. However, that seems more like a decision on Jen’s part than Simon’s, though he did ultimately decide to put it up.
Also, I think it’s up for interpretation whether or not it’s disrespectful to animate the recently deceased’s faces. I, personally, don’t view it as much different than watching home videos of lost loved ones, and recall the comfort it was to my family the little clips we had of my grandpa.
It was a video, yeah, but he was just mostly making faces at the camera. Those stills really helped my grandma after he first died.
But I can absolutely see how people can find it disrespectful, too!
Yer I agree it's not his fault its Jens but when you say it's up to interpretation. He has John Kilbride with an animated smile while describing him being sexualy assaulted and having throat cut. It might be passable if these animated images where happening during a bit talking about the child's life but how and where its done is wrong
My dad was actually a milkman during this period and delivered milk to Brady and Hindley's neighbour... He was 17. This case has always fascinated me, glad to see Simon and the team do it justice.
Just wanted to give you a big hug at the end, Fact Boy. Winnie Johnson fought so hard for Keith, and Myra Hyndley was all sweetness and light to her in public but called her a bloody nuisance in private. Also, personalish fact, Hyndley died in 2002, a few months after my Dad, in the same hospital and was cremated in the same crematorium. Felt irrationally angry about that for the last 20 years. How dare she.
I don't think it was irrational of you hon. I would feel the same way!
Irrational or not, I can see why you'd be upset.
It seems that most humans, me included, don't want to be near what we consider to be "bad". Almost as if it would rub off on us even though that's not technically how it works in a physical sense.
@4:00 you hit the nail on the head for how our memories work as well with a simple misremembering of a detail your memory is permanently changed.
it's always so sad when simon figures out its child murder
You know what's worse? Probably the child murder
I don't normally cry at these, but that last line just absolutely destroyed me.
Simon deserves all of the applause here for how much empathy he managed to show, Chris for his amazing script, and Jen for her amazing editing
Hard hitting episode.
Very sad very appropriate ending. Thanks Simon, for doing such a bang up job with this nightmare of a tale. ❤
The more Casual Criminalist videos I watch, the more I am in awe of this team's dedication. These are some of the most indepth and heart wrenching stories but they push through. Thank you guys and may those taken rest easy
I grew up on the estate where these monsters lived and committed these awful crimes. 30odd years later though. I've met Keith's mum and brother a few times at charity events. My heart would always break for them.
You from hatters? I'm from on the moors near walker wood reservoir, it still gets so quiet up there that I'm certain they weren't the only ones to bury people up there.
@@ewancarey5847 yes I am. My friend actually lived at the house next door to where the Hindley/braidy home once stood.
Wouldn't be surprised at all that plenty of other poor souls are buried up there. Also wouldn't at all be surprised if they themselves had more victims up there.
My great grandma served Lesley-Ann her lunch at school. My Dad said he never saw his grandmother cry, but the closest he ever saw her coming to it was whenever she recalled Lesley. It apparently haunted her until she died in 1996.
@@k.stewart007small world. I grew up on hattersley and my sister's friend lived in that house in the 90's. My sister stayed there a few times. I think she was to young to know about what happened next door
@@Ross-nd1eh your sister and I may have been friends with the same person.
My cat went missing a year ago and even though I know it's extremely unlikely she's alive, I still click on every "found cat" post that looks even remotely like her, still whip my head around at stray cats on the street, still check if her microchip details are the same.
I cannot even fathom having to deal with those same emotions, but for your child. How absolutely agonising that would be to be almost certain they're dead, but never quite sure. Always in pain from their loss but never getting closure, constantly getting your hopes raised then dashed over years, and even decades.
I found a cat once..
about a year ish old no chip but hungry and sweet. A dumbbell no street smarts so for sure lost from loving home.
We tried like crazy to find the owner..
in the end we had nearly 18years with the little trouble maker. He always wanted to escape to eat grass so he could puke on something important in our home.
He was spoiled rotten his whole life and even had a little sister kitty to annoy like crazy.
We loved him so and I often think of his original people not knowing how well we cared for him. I always wish there was away to make them feel better but they must’ve been heartbroken. It was a big city and he had no chip. (Till we chipped him).
I always hope ppl remember that sometimes..sometimes things do work out and their lost love is all right.
I hope yours was✨💞✨
xo
I can usually get through these episodes alright, but that last part managed to make me break down into tear, it was so heartbreaking. Those poor families. Excellent work on the script Chris, great job as always Simon and Jen working on the video.
Yeah this is a hard listen. 37 year old man and still getting teary-eyed and sad. Hearing about those parents especially the one hearing her own child on audio tape.
If we can't listen to these episodes without empathy for the victims, who are we?
Less pictures of the scum bags apart from that fantastic as always jen
Poor Jen. Her part of the process is having to listen to these over and over and find the right bits and cuts. Find the right level/tones to keep it entertaining, informative, and respectful. She makes that tough balance look easy.
Great script, Chris, and compassionate reading, Simon.
Ugh...
Off to rewatch the Maple Syrup heist.
Bless him there’s always a point where Simon’s bubbly nature just… gives way under the horror of these crimes. On the one hand, I hope Simon never loses his cheerfulness but on the other, I wish everyone handled true crime like this.
Man Simon, you're a brave one for tackling this messy case!
Those murderererersders are among the worst 🎉❤
“We’ll find you one day son” hit like an bomb. These things are a blight on this world
I’m profoundly calloused to true crime and I don’t say that proudly. However, its little things like the closing moments of today’s episode, Simon and Chris able to bring tears to my eyes, that reassure me I’m still human.
Same. I was listening while cleaning my room, and hearing about kids being murdered didn't really prompt a reaction from me. I think it's the knowledge that this is well in the past and the murderers have been caught and punished for their crimes that makes it so my empathy doesn't kick in... which is a scary thought, honestly. I'm not proud of that. But then seeing that mother in the video and hearing/seeing Simon's reaction brought me to tears.
That's just Simon's pronunciation. I still haven't got over him saying Medici in 2018
Very much the same. I have a disconnect with these things. They don't seem real to me. I know they are, but it just doesn't sink in. Hearing about the mother looking for her lost boy got me though. She never found him.
Hard. Fucking. Same.
I'm a true crime buff and a woman on the internet so I like to think I'm inured to a lot of the unpleasant things people can do. That last Dismembered Appendix got to me, though.
I'm practical enough to know if that boy was my son the chances of me getting him back and giving him the proper rites are just shy of zero. I hope I'd give him a memorial stone in the family plot and figure out how to live with a gaping rent in my heart.
But I know there's a good chance I'd say to hell with reason or sense and comb the moors just as she did. Just shy zero isn't zero.
Same, brother. I bet Simon went directly to hug his kids, as he should.
I so enjoy when Simon talks about his kids. You can so tell how much he and his wife are enjoying being parents. Before I had kids, and I'd watch my true crime stuff, crimes against kids did upset me. But after I became a Mom I couldn't hardly stand it. Those kind of horrific crimes this man and woman committed would make me extremely mad and sad because I would think of my own kids. It is so wonderful to see Simon and his wife so enjoying being parents. Just a tiny bit of advice coming from a Mom of 3, that are now all grown, enjoy every minute now. They truly do grow up so very fast.
I am not ashamed to admit this one had me in tears multiple times, hearing about the pain and loss felt by so many, and the relief at hearing those murderers died imprisoned or incarcerated after they were caught.
That last line, you made me cry at work. What an absolutely brutal way to end such a horrible story. Also Canada has boxing day, known for clearance sales.
As a father of two young children myself, I felt that right along side you. This was a heartbreaking episode.
My thoughts from before I had a child, to after I did, is amazingly different. I agree with you, and him, u put ur own kids in that place, and, beforehand u would be sad, after uve had kids, ur heartbroken. Although, honestly, the man, I’m sure is the scummy piece of sh** behind this whole idea, she was just probably brainwashed. She is a victim, not as much as the real victims, but a victim none the less
@@jeffersonott4357 I agree she was probably brainwashed. It’s difficult to understand that both are possible at the same time, but I’m confident she wouldn’t have done what she did if she hadn’t met him.
@@VormirBlas Aye. I agree. Most likely she was a victim too, in her own way.
It doesn't excuse, but it at least explains. Explanations are very important, and we can hopefully use them to prevent this kind of thing happening in other places.
@@LaylaSpellwind
She was certainly not a victim, she was a callus murder who laughed at victims as they were tortured to death.
It's true that she probably would have never murdered anybody if they never met, however it's also probable that without a willing accomplice to lure these innocent children into their clutches that Brady wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill so many children.
It is not unique by any stretch to have two people meet and support each other in murder. There is however a bias towards women murderers that they didn't mean it and it's a man's fault (even if the man is the victim) but this isn't always the case, and people shouldn't go down that rabbit hole.
In the case of Fred and Rose west for example their own children said that Rose was the more cruel and would egg Fred on to do more murders. It's almost a type of toxic masculinity to believe women aren't capable of such cruelty without a man pushing them. And it is incorrect.
@@theantilifeequation8150 True, and if we take what prison guards say, that female inmates are more violent, then its natural.
Simon's commentary on this horrific case was as brilliant as ever. Then the reaction at the end of the appendices just put a huge lump in my throat. Credit to everyone involved in this episode, but especially to Simon
Okay, that ending just... floored me. Literal tears in my eyes. Such an awful case.
Seeing the mum at the end made me shed a tear.. the way Simon walked off it all hit me at once this was a hard one especially when your British.
When I saw "the moors murders" I immediately thought, oof Simon's not going to like this one
Ha!!!!! me too!! Poor poor fact boy
He's British he's heard of the murderers
@@thomasbaker6563 he said he'd heard 'of' it but knew no details
@@thomasbaker6563 you must be new, cause there are kids and he always bemoans doing ones with kids.
@@Ashley-wi4ng it's about as infamous as British crime gets
You can hear that Simon is a great father and they care deeply for their kids, as someone who watches Simon for a long time before he became a father I'm happy for him
“the past everybody” 😂 I love that line from Simon
I love it too😄 'it was the worst'
@Laura Same!!
While there were many CasCrim videos where I've shead a tear, this one by far was the worst. The thought of that little girl... her mother, those policeman and any other person who had to endure hearing that cursed tape... My heart goes to all off them, I cannot fathom such horror. My highest praises to the whole CasCrim team. Work on such video must be hard. Writing it, reading and editing mean that you need to dive deep, make reshoots, watch/listen multiple times etc. Which - especially in case of cases where children are involved - must be tough at times.
When Simon just got up and walked away after this one ....all the feels....and tears. This one hurt bad as a parent....especially that about the recording (i have a 10 year old child)....wow. First CC to actually make me truly cry.
Simon's reaction at the end of the video genuinely had me in tears
On the day that Keith Bennett was taken 😥 my friend's 14 year old cousin was out shopping for his mum and was approached by Myra Hindley but heeded the warning about strangers from his mum and had a very lucky escape 🤯
Also the UK band The Smiths was named after the couple that apparently exposed the Moors Murderers
huh, strange. I have been singing Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now all evening
I didn't know that about The Smiths!
Pretty sure the band isn't named after the guy who exposed the murders but because Morisssey thought it was the most ordinary name. They do have a song about the murders called Suffer Little Children
I usually cry and some point in these, but not like this. Absolutely heartbreaking. A horrific story but so respectful to the victims and their families. Great work Chris, Simon and Jen
8:40 - Chapter 1 - Abandon all hope
12:15 - Mid roll ads
14:05 - Chapter 2 - The moors murders
43:00 - Chapter 3 - Investigation & trial
54:55 - Chapter 4 - Aftermath & confessions
1:19:25 - Dismembered appendices
PS: I do think the "genius" killers is more a ironic/sarcastic jab at Leopold & Loeb inflated egos...
agreed.
I was a long-time viewer of Today I Found Out, Biographics, etc., when I stumbled on Brain Blaze (formerly Business Blaze), then this channel and Decoding the Unknown. I've been glad to see more of actual Simon in these later channels. On days like today, when the actual Simon we see is the one whose heart is breaking for abused and murdered children, I wish a hug could travel across the internet. I'm glad he has a wife and children to deliver actual hugs.
I teared up at the very last bit. This was a fantastic script (and episode). I wanted to say thank you, for bringing the respect and remembrance that every vixtim deserves (not just in this case, but all the others covered on your channel, and the thousands more we may never be made aware of). Thank you for not glorifying the perpetrators also (though this channel is especially professional in keeping the focus on the victims, rightly so). Thanks Chris for your meaningful and elegant prose, and thank you to Jen for adding the photos and video footage. Altho that eye blinky effect was a bit distracting at times).
I could have gone a lifetime without the last minute of this video. That hit me harder than any other video I've watched on this, or any other channel.
I think of all of Simon's channels, this is probably the one we have seen him grow and mature the most. I've gotta hand it to him. That last piece at the end was one where I knew exactly how he must have felt. That wasn't a "script is over, time to turn off the camera" moment. I never thought I'd feel the same way too, but he's right about having kids changing you. I don't know how to describe that, other than a "nope, I'm done. Can't do this one anymore," moment. Now I need to go hug my kids.
Heartbreaking. It broke my heart even more to see Simon's reaction at the end. Same, Simon, same. The tears couldn't be stopped this time.
First time an episode made me cry. Very brave of you to make it through.
I love that Jen knows of Simon’s love for The Office and consistently uses clips for mematic effect
I'm right there with you Simon. It hits so much closer to home when it's children who are harmed. Yes, when John and Jane Doe grab a middle aged dude and knife him behind the bar it is a tragedy, but when there's kids involved it becomes such a more heart wrenching tale. As far as recordings, I couldn't imagine being Leslie's mother and hearing that recording, I'd have gone ballistic and don't think I could have recovered. There was a fairly recent UK murder of an Arthur Labinjo-Hughes where there is a publicly available recording of the boy just before his death, you can hear him crying "nobody loves me, nobody's going to feed me" as he struggles to lift something as light as a blanket. All I could think is that it's certainly not true that nobody loved him because in that moment I did, and when my wife saw the article about him she did too. I listened to it while at work, and I could barely make it through the rest of my daily calls. I couldn't imagine being the first one to hear that knowing what was going to happen to him just hours later. I went home and hugged my son and daughter probably a good 4 minutes each just telling them I love them. Sick monsters like Arthur's parents and these monstrous animals exist, and it is horrific what they do to the most innocent among us. So you go do the same Simon, hug yours, hug them tight.
I've read extensively about the Moors murders . It breaks my heart everytime. Thank you for handling this case sensitively for the victims.
Thank you, Simon, for forcing yourself through this one. I had never gotten all the horrible details, and now I understand why. You're a legend!
My grandad was part of the jury on this case. Whenever those monsters would be on the tv even years later he would turn as white as a sheet. He told us how bad the tape was (not in full detail but enough for me to know I never want to read the transcript or hear it). The sh*t they did, they deserved the death penalty.
I've never shed a tear due to any of your videos before, Simon, but the ending of this one rattled me. A really good episode despite how I'm currently feeling. Thanks for all the content, my good man.
Simon, once again showing that just because he reads it doesn't mean it's just words. Mad respect, as always.
Wow, just fucking wow. That ending, your exit, I hope you are ok Simon. Please be OK.
Yeah same, hope he is okay, never seen a video where he just walked off before
@@mlee6050 he did with the Pedro Lopez one I believe.
@Arden A. W. I'm pretty sure he raged about him just disappearing. I'm pretty sure he walked away to go cry after this video, and I'm right there with him. Normally there's not so much information on the victims families available, and hearing it all makes it so much harder.
@@dillongage I’m not saying he didn’t. I’m saying he walked away like they said. It’s hard for anyone to hear about these cases.
I give Simon credit for making it to the end of this one. Very emotional the ones with the kids. I favor Simon walking out on the end as he does in Into the Shadows on this one. Every time Simon mentioned it made him think of his kids I swear I thought the same thing just before he said it. The last image with the mother really hit me. Well done Simon.
Myra - so glad she was never released. So glad. Or him. But her "I've changed, I've changed" rhetoric, the way they let her study and have graduation photos ... those parents never got to see their kids graduate anything, not even their 21st birthdays. Bless you, Simon and team, for caring so much. xxx I've watched so many docs on this but you guys brought to light a few extras from those beautiful parents who lost so much. And now I'm in tears. Held it until Winnie ...
The team for this channel never ceases to amaze me with how considerate and kind they are when handling any type of case. Simon manages to walk the line of respectful while still bringing comedy to the story without making a joke out of the victims or what happened to them. Its become a real issue in the true crime community. Nothing against makeup and crime time channels, i love several of them, but it is really bizzare to see these people getting ready for a normal day while describing the most horrific acts imaginable. Simon makes it feel like a mini documentary in a way, and manages to break the tension when he needs to and let the story speak for itself other times. This is by far the best true crime channel i think I will ever find on the internet.
Ten minutes in and Simon is still sounding relatively jolly. Knowing the details of this case and knowing Simon's limits from previous episodes, I'm expecting a hard tonal shift pretty sharpish.
It's kinda eerie seeing Simon so energetic and happy at the beginning of this episode, Hope he's ok
The animated mug shots is such a creepy subtle addition.
I actually cried at the end. I can‘t even imagine the grief and devastation the parents went through. It’s just horrible.
Much love, Simon; I can see how much this one took out of you. I wish you a large mug of your most comforting beverage and a solid, peaceful night's sleep.
The presentation of emotions affects the overall outcome of any piece of media in some form or another. I've seen many different versions with this case. When it comes down to this type of media content ( a podcast/youtube docu-series channel), I've yet to discover anything that comes even close to surpassing this one. From Simon's raw emotional blurbs, whether positive, negative or neutral, to the work the writers put into crafting the scripts, to matching the video edits with the arch of the story. In my honest opinion, this deserves nothing less than a metaphorical standing ovation in the form of a youtube comment. Take a little breather Simon (and all included). You deserve it.
Those poor mothers, my heart just breaks for them. I hope they were greeted by their children when they passed.
Thank you for remembering the family's. Everyone else in the comments section is crying for Simon.
I do too. 💞✨
Simons rant about choosing restaurants 😂😂😂😂 that had me going!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
I saw that documentary. I still have a need to cry at that scene. Now I'm sure she is with her baby boy and hopefully at peace.
The morphing portrait photos are BEYOND haunting
I was born in 1965 and have read about these two. Have had the story drummed into me by relatives. Watched the documentaries about them. I am a horror/crime addict but I always end up shedding a tear when I think of the poor people who have had to hear the audio tape these monsters made.
The Mail and People did surprisingly well covering stories like these back in the day.
I've seen several documentaries about these two and a movie about Lord Longford. I'm not heartless, but since it happened years ago and in a foreign country, I could step back from it. That is until you mentioned the poor mother setting a place at that table and getting her boy gifts. Dear Lord. My son is grown with his own toddler now. Maybe because we didn't have so much crime information available before the internet, but I don't remember being worried that something like this would happen to my son. But now, I think about it a lot with my grandson. I'm in tears for that mother.
The script on this was amazingly written. I've listened to other podcasts covering the Moors Murders and this one was the best by far. The writing was excellent, the editing was well done and respectful. Simon emotions are always hard hitting, he doesn't cover it up and you know he cares.
As a parent of 3 in a profession which criminals hate and have been known to target. I am moved my the empathy you present when you read these. I always hear you question what could be done better in the investigations and I embody that.
Thank you for another great video as always... This case was absolutely tragic.
The Mario "Here We GO!" cut was *chef's Kiss*. perfectly timed and the perfect flippant tone to lighten the mood.
I recall at the time public opinion was very much to bring back hanging for them (I think they just missed the cutoff point?).
One of the senior police said he wished that anyone who disagreed with the death penalty for them could listen to the horrific tapes they made. No qualms then, but it was so long ago now I may be misremembering.
A very well-done episode; kudos.
All fiction is about redemption (or lack thereof) bc no one has any interest in a random story w/o closure. Each death is a debt to be repaid.
Terrific job as usual, Simon.
Simon not even giving a sign off at the end almost made me cry. It’s rare to see a video now he’s become desensitised break him, but he broke, broke hard.
Your videos don't usually make me cry, but the end of this one really got to me.
I have never wanted to hug someone more then after this episode. Hope your day was much better after you where done recording Simon. 😔
This had to be watched in several pieces, but stories like these are made a touch easier by Simon and his writers expert story telling - Thankyou
Also Simon, milk men are still a thing. They deliver other things too like bread, eggs cheese, etc. We had this service for a while in Colorado as late as 2018 before we moved.
We still have them in the UK, they naturally became really popular again during the first lockdown
These heavy hitting casual criminalists are so tough to get through. Props to you Simon for recording them, and also to Jen and Chris. I had to move onto an old Brain Blaze episode to lighten my day. Good coverage all around.
I live in this area and an older friend told me her mum used to tell her not to go down to the market without her or the child snatchers would get her.
They were both cruel and tortured the parents. They thought they’d finally found Keith about a week ago but it looks like it was another false start.
It’s heartbreaking what this pair did to these families and the area!
Damn. I spontaneously burst into tears at that last line. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Simon, you did an amazing job presenting this topic as usual. It's clear that these topics affect you seriously, please don't force yourself to read scripts that are too painful to read. Your empathy is admirable and you can leave those horrific stories to someone else. Take care of yourself 🙏🏼❤️
Oh Simon 😢 could see how hard that was for you, thanks for doing this nightmare fuel case and letting the poor victims of these creatures be remembered for a while longer...... this is their story......and you told it heartbreakingly well 🕯️
I don't know how the police could've listened to the audio of them torturing that poor girl, then sat down face to face with Ian and listened to him deny what he did.
Every time I think of Winnie looking for Keith on the moors I can't help but cry. She never ever gave up looking for her boy. I hope he is found one day
Ooh, I have studied this case very closely but I'm going to watch this for simon's comments. This is a blimming heavy case.
This episode, especially that ending, was heartbreaking and I started crying because of Simon's emotions. I really want to give Simon, Jen, and Chris hugs because there aren't words to describe how I feel.
The fact that he read that quote and walked away without saying literally anything shows how rough this episode was. Thank you for presenting it Simon, but maybe try to get your writers to not traumatize you on a weekly basis? Plenty of interesting non-child murder stories lol.
That ending made me cry. That poor lady and her son deserved better.