In the interregnum of December 14 [O. S. December 26], 1825, a group of officers raised an uprising against the autocracy. They wanted to establish a republic in Russia, or a constitutional monarchy and destroy serfdom (almost eighty percent of the inhabitants of the Russian Empire were almost in the position of slaves) The uprising was suppressed, the leaders were hanged, other officers were either sent to hard labor or to the Caucasian war as privates. Soldiers who participated in the uprising were beaten to death with shpitsruten (a standard metal ramrod for muzzle-loading firearms.) Ответить
@@adamhall5298 Not true. We recall the USA, for example, the veterans' march on Washington in the summer of 1932, or the Ludlow massacre in 1914. The path to the kingdom of freedom, in any state, goes through blood.
You're comparing apples with pears. Look at the outcomes, Russia is still stuck at kleptocracy level with complete disregard for human life and dignity. The US is a deeply flawed democracy.
@@adamhall5298 It is you who have no concept of the flow of history. Are the USA and the Russian Federation cast in bronze? Haven't they been changing all this time? One moment: in the history of the United States, the civil war of the north with the south and Karl Marx, the founder of scientific communism, writes a welcome letter to Lincoln: "Dear sir! We send congratulations to the American people on your re-election by a huge majority. If the moderate slogan of your first election was resistance to the power of slaveholders, then the victorious battle cry of your second election reads: death to slavery! From the very beginning of the titanic struggle in America, the workers of Europe instinctively felt that the fate of their class was connected with the starry flag. Wasn't the struggle for territories, which marked the beginning of this harsh epic, supposed to decide whether the virgin soil of vast spaces would be given to the labor of a migrant or disgraced by the footsteps of a slave overseer?..." Another moment was the October Revolution in Russia and for the first time in the world the rights of workers to work, rest, treatment and study were legislated.
One of the best depictions of field artillery I’ve seen. Nothing about this scene comes out as “Wilhelm scream”. No exaggerated and dramatic jumping when artillery strikes the line, no Platoon-esque “falling dramatically from gunfire”. The grapeshot fires, and your line is torn apart a dozen men at a time, as though they’d been hit with a sledgehammer at high speed. Meanwhile you’re standing there, praying to every god there is that you not get hit…gruesome, visceral, and absolutely realistic
@@Yaivenov The sponge creates a vacuum which deprives any existing embers of oxygen. To create a proper seal the sponge needs to be dampened; not soaking wet. A wet sponge is incredibly dangerous. It increases the risk of misfires and can create clumps of smoldering powder encapsulated in soaking wet powder which can then cook off the next powder charge. I’ve shot 19th century artillery many times and studied the manuals and loading procedures of the period.
@@mackenzieblair8135 vacuum doesn't do what you're suggesting. You need to quench/cool the combusting material. Also at this point the powder charges are themselves encapsulated in waxed paper/lead foil.
@@WissHH- do you really know anything about this historical event? It wasn't a peasant uprising or a mass mutiny among the conscripted soldiers, but rather an attempt of coup performed by a very tight and secretive group of military officers at the day of Nicolas I's coronation. It was caused primarily by the lack of political freedom, violently stern standards of military discipline and consistent incompetence of the previous emperor. Neither the officers who staged the coup, nor the elite soldiers of leib guard regiments were "starving". They were demanding freedom, education and respect, not food- and that's one of the reasons why they were absolutely ignored by the general public and easily overwhelmed by loyalist forces.
I absolutely love the sound of the canon sizzling as they are swabbed out and the steam escaping out through the touch off port. So detailed and realistic. You don’t see that in movies.
@@jameshetu6885 Now, I've never fired a cannon (various small calibre things though), but I suspect you'd have to shoot one a *lot* for it to reach temperatures sufficient to boil water. Such a mass of metal would take some time to heat from the extremely brief moments the burning gunpowder is actually in the barrel. And the slow firing rate means you'd need far longer, and more shots than are taking place here, to accrue that amount of heat. Each cannon might only take two or three shots in this scene.
Another place where grapeshot was used was in Lyon after the French army suppressed the Girondist uprising. Dissatisfied with the slowness of the guillotine and conventional firing squads, the Revolutionary tribunals decided to try using grapeshot for mass executions of suspected Girondist rebels. It was abandoned after soldiers were forced to finish off the surviving condemned with swords, knives and bayonets, and subsequently refused to carry out any more grapeshot firing squads.
In a situation like that on the battlefield there was some serious psychology at play. The artillerymen knew that if they ran or surrendered, the attacking infantry would be content to seize the position. If the artillery fired, then it would be a fight to the death against a much more numerous enemy hell bent on revenge. Battlefield stories are full of reports of artillerymen being bayoneted and sabered as their position is overrun.
Civilians who where their also reported hearing the officers telling the men that they wouldn't fire the cannons since both sides are russians and we saw how that turned out.
Several Hessian artillerymen were killed at Trenton (26 Dec. 1776) when the 3-lb. battalion guns they were trying to bring into action on Queen Street were overrun. One of the few wounds suffered that day on the American side was inflicted on a future POTUS, LT James Monroe, who was slashed in the hand by a Hessian artillery NCO's hanger-sword during the brief struggle for the guns.
My favorite part of this scene is the rising tension. Before the guns are fired, you can see and hear the moral weight of what is about to happen. The man running with the canister shot in his hands is nervous, the spectators are anxious of what might happen. The rebel officers are trying to rally their men with words that “they won’t dare fire at us”. Best of all, when the order to fire is given, the men do not fire immediately. They stand still, and refuse to fire until the officer has to do it himself and takes the first shot. Why should they shoot at their fellow countrymen? HOW could they shoot at them with such a horrible weapon? With this incredible weight on their shoulders, the men either freeze, or refuse to fire. Unfortunately when the first cannon goes off, it is already too late and the other cannon crews follow their grim orders.
In nineteen ninety-three, a mirror situation turned out. The tank soldiers refused to shoot at the Supreme Soviet of Russia, and then the Yeltsin authorities bribed officers to form crews for tanks from them, which shot the Supreme Soviet.
Veterans of the Napoleonic Wars were on both sides. For example, general Miloradovich, the hero of the war of 1812, was killed by Kakhovsky, one of the leaders of the Decembrist movement.
The saddest thing is that the soldiers were not rebels at all. The officers simply took advantage of their official position and led their soldiers out under buckshot without explaining anything to them.
@@wrtltable What worst the officers leader that was suppose to exacuted the coup got cold feet even the one that only had one job to kill the Tsar and then they just go for a walk or go back without informing the other officer who already going with the coup alongside theire soliders. At least the soldiers had their chances to go back to their barrack and thing will never happen until the officers screw that up.
Most of these soldiers were idiots. Standing in a tightly packed formation against a cannon and not even returning a single shot despite their entire platoon being armed. They could have fell back to the buildings, split up and used them as cover and fought an urban warfare setting, but I guess that would require an IQ higher than 80
While I really appreciate the depiction of grapeshot, it's actually the reaction of the people that get me to fall in love with this scene. I can feel my own heart race as the first shot is being loaded up. Officers give assurance to the men, another's breathing is picking up, spit is being swallowed and the soldiers stiffen while the onlookers are shaken by the sound of the order. Be it the crowd and even the guy holding the fuse, I bet jitters are high, "oh God, is this really happening?" I'm going to have to look up the history on this, and watch this movie. Thanks
I used to own a piece of US Civil War grapeshot. It was about an inch or so in diameter and was made of iron. These cannons look a bit smaller, the 6 pounder being one of the most common size guns during the Napoleonic era, so I imagine that's what these would have been, so the grapeshot would have been something like an inch in diameter or close to it. The grapeshot would have been devastating on anything it came into contact with.
In fact, the rebels did not stand unanswered, this is how it really was: A volley of blank charges was fired at the square, which had no effect. The first volley was fired above the ranks of the rebellious soldiers. The rebels responded to the first volley with buckshot with rifle fire, but then, under a hail of buckshot, the flight began. According to the eyewitness of those events, V. I. Shteingel: “It was possible to limit ourselves to this, but Sukhozanet fired a few more shots along the narrow Galerny Lane and across the Neva to the Academy of Arts, where more of the curious crowd fled! Crowds of rebellious soldiers rushed to the Neva ice to cross to Vasilyevsky Island. Mikhail Bestuzhev tried on the ice of the Neva to again form soldiers into battle formation and go on the offensive against the Peter and Paul Fortress. The troops lined up, but were fired from cannons with cannonballs. The cores hit the ice, and it cracked, many drowned.
oh man, I could believe it. loaded with gear and heavy clothing. plus it is so cold. that would be a bad a bad way to go, but i guess that's better than dying from grapeshot in the belly
@@difenol5750 Sometimes, if you take a grape to the chest or head. But a leg or arm? You lose the limb and die in agony over the next two minutes. Stomach shot that doesn't hit your spine? Maybe days to die, all the while in terrible agony. Drowning is quick and painless by comparison.
@@difenol5750 there are probably many more wounded than instantly killed by the grapeshot. Being shot isn't just an off switch, and there's more places you can be shot and survive, than shot and killed
Turn your cannon into a giant shotgun, the whole first rank of troops is dead. If you're in the second rank you'd begin to wonder if you actually want to be there.
The ideology of shooting a weopen round that splinters into mutple small projectiles to effectively kill mutple and injury dozens of others is just like having a flame thrower and Molotov cocktails and etc Not only it's a brutal way to kill and injure but strikes fear knowing how savage and barbaric it is then compared to simole clean bullets to kill and even injury more
@Dalion Heart Only five Decembrists were actually executed. About 80 were transported to Siberia. The rest were sent to fight the Turks in the Caucasus.
And the look he gives after the Decemberist leader fired at the retreating officer was a pure "why did you DO that". He really managed to exemplify how apprehensive the Tsar was in this moment.
He didn't have to do it. If he didn't do it, and if he respected the normal demands of the rebels, then he'd probably have been welcomed with open arms by all the Russian Empire's people. Instead, he thought that brutality would be enough. Almost Stalinesque.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 this was in 1835, many of the Decembrists fought Napoleon and were influenced by him. If the Tsar gave into their demands, they could soon demand a republic. And that would mean the end of his life, considering how republics were formed back then.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 that is not how government works, he could hypothetically have done it if there wasn't a rebellion, however after there was no way he could have done it, also the leaders wanted his death, so it was either him or them
Honestly, this has to be one of the greatest battles ever put to film. You can just feel the raw terror of it all, seeing the brutality put in place, watching the blood spray out, the people being shot at with grapeshot. I'd put this scene up there with scenes like the first battle in Saving Private Ryan it's that well done.
Seems a bit more like a slaughter and a route at this point, but I haven't seen the whole film yet. Agreed wholeheartedly on the quality of it, though!
Hacksaw Ridge did a great job. It's quiet, then all hell breaks loose. Bullets flying everywhere, artillery landing, and absolute, total chaos. It took me a few seconds to realize it was chaotic on purpose: That's what real battles are like.
@@K25_the_first the fact that Russia never had a government that wasn't brutal or inept, usually both And "Close Range" for a grapeshot is easily 50-100 metres, absolutely mental to think how powerful such a Shotgun is when it's a 12 Pounder gun, though I believe the one used here is like a 3 pounder
Guys, before you say anything, just remember that these are commanders that have been educated in a hundred years of linear combat. They know why they stand rank and file against enemy cannons.
@@w_od9611 Then why not a bayonet charge? Or marching forward? If you don't have artillery also, how can you assume this goes any differently if you don't close the distance? It just doesn't make sense...
@@joeleonard9965 Beacuse it is harder to maintain proper advance under such an artillery fire. Taking the facts that they didn't have cavalry for atack against artillery brigades + Tsar had guard cavalry and infantry battalions which could easily repell any atack from rebel side.
@@joeleonard9965 Beside they are outnumber. What ever they do they it will not work. If the Tsar have only artillery then it fine to charge. But that not the case, they don't even have calvary. If they broke square formation they are an easy target to get pick up by Calvary. If they got shot by grape shot or infantry first.
Everything about this scene is obviously incredible, but perhaps my favorite part is the music. It's intense, it's visceral, and it's modern-an aspect that makes the scene feel so much more real and tangible. You get the sense that this isn't just something that happened long ago, but that could be happening right now. Truly phenomenal film-making.
This film, Union of Salvation, was really damned good. Best depiction of 19th century artillery ever put on film. Too bad its hard to find on DVD for American players. I watched it online for a few dollars before the War. Worth a watch.
How the hell is it good? It doesn't provide historical context, it doesn't describe characters' motivations, just one-sided "Tsar good, decembrists bad". An abstract propaganda of emptiness.
From the memoirs of Nicholas the First (popularly nicknamed Palkin): "...Having left for the square, I wanted to see if there would be an opportunity, surrounding the crowd, to force surrender without bloodshed. At that time, a volley was fired at me; bullets whistled through my head and, fortunately, none of us were wounded. The workers of St. Isaac's Cathedral started throwing logs at us from behind the fences. It was necessary to decide to put an end to this as soon as possible, otherwise the riot could be communicated to the rabble, and then the troops surrounded by it would be in the most difficult position."
This moment 100% impacted Nicholas. The rest of his reign was marked by a very authoritarian rule (even for the time) and the violent suppression of many rebellions. I think this uprising told him very early on that the best way to silence a revolutionary is with grapeshot.
@@bigj1905 This tsar, Nicholas the First, led the Russian Empire to defeat in the Crimean War of 1853-1856. Progress was in full swing all over the world, and Russia became like a foul-smelling swamp.
@@vadimanreev4585 tragic that what followed the “foul swamp” of tsars were 80 million murders. The greatest horror story in world history. The Tsars were benevolent and king in comparison.
Именно благодаря этому через 100 лет победят большевики и устроят ад на Земле, прямо или косвенно убив десятки миллионов моих соотечественников, а их наследники будут править до сих пор. Либералы-февралисты, свергнувшие императора, посчитали что большевики не посмеют разогнать зарождающийся парламент, если они сами себя разоружат и распустят боевые подразделения, что они и сделали. Конечно большевики только посмеялись над этим и с помощью банд пьяных матросов Петрограда просто разогнали всех, а тех кто упорствовал расстреляли. Если вы считаете себя силами добра - сражайтесь, вы не имеете морального права позволять себе быть мягким, так как зло беспощадно и подло.
They were their brothers in arms as this is after the Napoleonic wars. Also the grape shot was used in small quantities with the intent to break up the rebel lines. If this was a real war Vs a foreign enemy the grape shot would have been devastating.
The "Life-Guard" is one of the highest formations to exist in the "Ancien Regime" armies. They literally "guard the life" of the Tsar. The fact that the person who they are meant to give their lives for so callously slaughtered them, in full view of his civilian subjects, is what you're ignoring. This even reflected very poorly on the populations' understanding of the Tsar, and helped form the anti-Tsarism that came to be represented in even more violent lone-wolf terrorism and then finally in the equally brutal Bolsheviks. In the future, the rebels wouldn't treat their own as their friends. But that was a double-edged sword, as history has shown us (the Bolsheviks massacred fellow Russians en-masse with even more glee).
Damn the courage of the guy at 2:13 to look around, see the entire group around him dead and to walk up and take the solider infront of hims place is js crazy, even if it was standard for all soldiers back then
When they talk about the brutality of the Bolsheviks in the twenties of the twentieth century, you need to understand that the majority of the country's population approved of their actions. Because the people, for three hundred years of slavery, have suffered grief.
@@vadimanreev4585 no, it's a lie. Even most the revolution supporting part of the society the majority supported social-democrats, which even won the soviet election, so Lenin and Trotsky just dismantled soviets by the brutal force of Petrograd Revolutinary Comitee, lol. Bolsheviks were nothing more but a red ISIS supported by the minority of the most cruel psychopaths
@@vadimanreev4585lmao, your source? Nearly half the county was against the Bolsheviks. Serfdom was horrible but that doesn’t mean that the majority of the county wanted the brutality and terror the Bolsheviks inflicted to happen. You can’t make generalizations for people in times where you haven’t lived without proof. “Bolshevik seizure of power was not universally accepted” (Wikipedia) Tambov Rebellion (Wikipedia)
@@samarmstrong6569 My dear man! To refute you do not need to bother yourself much. The Tambov uprising took place in Russia and covered several tens of thousands of people. There were already a hundred million people in Russia at that time. So not all of Russia rebelled. How did the Ukrainian population feel about the Bolsheviks? More people joined the Red Army than the white one, and after twenty years of Soviet rule, NINE million Ukrainians fought in the war with the fascists in the red army, and no more than two hundred thousand people joined the Fascist.
The rank and file soldiers, who had large numbers cut down by grape shot and then had more drown in the frozen river they retreated to, were not in the coupe itself and in fact were told that the man they thought was the Czar was being usurped by his younger brother.
Which is unfortunate because Constantin had privately abdicated in favour of his brother, but that wasn't publicly known yet (Constantin was still in Warsaw). That's why the soldiers thought they were doing a counter-coup against Nicholas' coup.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 "Privately abdicated" is whatever was concocted after the event, since the loser would not dare contending it. It would be like miraculously discovering the men you stole a car from had privately donated it to you free of charge a bit earlier, how convenient. Especially since most of the previous century in Russia was called 'An Era of Palatial Coups' with inheritance wills of the emperors forged. Basically those soldiers indeed participated in a counter-coup that was mythologized long after the events to keep up the appearances.
@@zhukov7923 Probably the closest thing they had to excitement back in the day. They used to make spectacles out of executions; watching a man hang for piracy was the equivalent of going to the movies.
@@zhukov7923 this kind of warfare was so far removed from civilian populace that it was a spectacle to many of this time, something very, very heavily romanticized by artists and propaganda. In one of the earliest battles of the American Civil War it was observed that people had settled on a nearby hillside to picnic as _spectators_ to the battle; they very quickly ran when the hill itself began to take musket and cannon fire. Even today we experience this effect; there are many stories from the US military of 18 year-olds soiling themselves in Iraq and Afghanistan because their entire perceptions of war and combat came from Call of Duty.
Wow Im traumatized just watching it! This needs to be shown in the theaters and on tv to remind people of awfulness of war ! I have so much respect for the people who came before me!
We are all standing on the shoulders of giants. Thousands of years of defeats and victories, scientific discoveries and obscurantistic oblivion have created the current civilization
officer: Glory to Constantine and the constitution! soldiers: what is a constitution? officer: well... uh... that's Konstantin's wife soldiers: aha., glory to Constantine and the Constitution!
Quickly read up on it, they wanted to make the empire into something more akin to a mix of the UK and USA. Constitutional monarch; 12 sovereign States within the empire by economic lines, all with access to a sea or major river system and their own legislatures; division of powers; two legislative houses, etc. And Konstantin as emperor.
@@Tounushi It matters little that they were in Russia, if you tried to change from absolute monarchy to a constitutional one you would either need a revolution or be very careful on what reforms you propose so you don't take to much power from the king in one go
2:13 the balls you have to have in that situation, like that dude took the meme “oh no, anyway” to heart. All his boys just dropped around him and he’s like “gotta get back in position” Edit: man the keyboard warriors really came out on this one “it’s your duty” stfu ya nerds y’all be sippin
After all this are no raw conscripts this is the russian imperial guard, the more discipline men of the russian army and quite some veterans of the napoleonic wars
It is still "sanitized" nobady screams in death pain for a long time, call for there mothere, or scream in horror of the wound they have taken, I have get un-maned (groin hit) they all die "relatively" fast and silent.
One of the better depictions of grape shot I've seen on film as a reenactor. But if it were real it would be far, FAR bloodier and gruesome... as in body parts flying everywhere 'gruesome'. However, I do appreciate the movie showing how a battery load of grape would eviscerate battalions whole companies at a time.
The subtitles in this video are not always accurate. E.g. at 0:29 he actually says: "Let me take the guilt for this blood", at 3:47 the officer shouts not just "Follow me", but "Follow me! To Neva!" (a river in St Petersburg - it was frozen at the time, and the officer hoped to cross the ice with the troops to capture the Armoury on the other bank and retry the offensive), at 4:07 soldiers shout not "Run", but "Run to Arsenal!" (Armoury) and "Until the victory, lads!"
Shostakovich's 11th "The Year 1905" has a similar scene depicted musically - the Russian army firing into a crowd of demonstrators with Maxim Guns. Absolutely chilling music.
@@bjorneisenseite9025 It wasn't a movie. In fact, there is no movie. It was a symphony - written in 1957, and sometimes described as "a film score without the film". The version on Naxos by the Liverpool Symphony, with Vasily Petrenko as conductor, is particularly good.
My God, I truly feel for every soldier over the millennia who has died just standing there in position. Can you imagine the millions who have been mowed down over the centuries by arrow, cannon fire or so many other weapons? War is truly hell.
@@Tugboatpb it's historically inaccurate and has poorly written characters. There was a 1.2H comedy review of it (only in Russian, unfortunately) which is much more enjoyable than this move. So, yeah, battle scenes are great, everything else sucks big time.
@@evilbabai7083 damn that sucks. I've greatly warmed up to this era of history and want to watch more of it. The cinematography of this scene is excellent
@@Tugboatpb yeah, that's a common problem of mainstream movies in Russia since "Cinema Fund" was established - they make a good presentation to get money and then make a shallow lazy cash grab of a movie that eventually flops at the box office. And sometimes it's not only bad, but even offensive, misrepresenting historical events and portraying it's figures in absolutely disgusting fashion, twisting their actions and motivation. Quick tip - if you see movie reviewed by BadComedian, skip it or watch the review instead.
Can you believe this really happened? Like this was a regular occurrence during this time period. The testicular fortitude it must’ve took to stand in a fucking straight line and just get peppered with grape shot is astounding.
Walking slowly to maintain cohesion toward an entrenched enemy position walk 60ft infront of them unload 2 volleys point blank stick a sword on your gun and charge.... idk how they charged with their balls hanging so low.
Well it didn't really happen this way. The rebels were fired at with blanks and didn't respond. Then they were fired at over their heads with live rounds and the Decemberists replied with aimed shots. Then they were hit with with live rounds, including grape, slaughtered, fled, tried to regroup on the ice, and the ice was hit with canon balls. You can imagine what happened next.
@@christophdollis1955 I guess the Movie needed to cut for budget and time reasons, you can only put so much in hour 30 minute. Wish they made extended version for non cinema releases with more scenes and details, I'll pay for those.
@@moogiibat5845 I was a bit annoyed that this movie showed the Decemberists just stupidly standing there after being hit with grape shot repeatedly. In fact, they fired the first aimed shots.
To hear officers, who are trained to mantain their calm and composture, starting to scream in fear and agony maniacally, withiut knowing what to do, and see grown ass men with koustaches looking around confused, that has to be one of the scariest sights
Have to wonder what would have happened had they convinced their men to charge the cannons before they began firing, still many would die from the cannons but if they had reached them it would have been interesting to know how things could have gone
@@radziwill7193 is this based on the numbers from the actual event, I don’t know a lot about it but it does seem interesting. Movie makes it look fairly even but that could just be artistic liberty
@@lrl2394 yeah they didn't have the numbers. This is based on the real events of the Decemberist uprising where they were hugely outnumbered. If they actually fought they would have been crushed. Their only bet was to stand there and hope the army wouldn't dare shoot at their own officers and veterans. The Decemberist story was a tragic one. They were essentially officers and veterans who marched through Europe to defeat what they were told was the tyranny of Napoleon, only to realise that France was much more liberal and prosperous than Russia. They wanted reforms but due to how autocratic and conservative the Tsarist administration was, they were convinced an armed uprising was the only solution and grew desperate, resorting to a series of suicidal coup and mutiny attempts.
*"They won't dare to fire at us!"* I mean... You already capped their horsemen at the start of this rally, so in this situation it's one of those "an eye for an eye" concepts.
Andrei Kravchuk. I've not seen this movie yet but I saw two other movies directed by him. Honestly I didn't like them much (that's why I'm still hesitating with watching this one) but I have to admit that they were done very professionally from the technical side.
The outset was different. One was set to do his own interpretation of a historical events while the other was set to do anglo-saxon propaganda. There was never a chance
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Grapeshot is one of those “so simple yet so devastating” inventions. I mean at the end of the day all you really do is to dump a bunch of small metal balls into a cannon. The result, however, speaks for itself…. The gods help whatever poor bastard that found themselves on the receiving end of that barrel…
In reality, this would be so much worse. Firing grape into a packed crowd at that range would have literally torn their bodies to tiny pieces. The people in this scene fall with their arms and legs still intact, but in reality, it would have looked much worse. I imagine that the producers of this film didn't want to traumatize the audience with gore and dismembered body parts, which is understandable.
I imagine that receiving grapeshot from a cannon while holding formation is probably just one the most horrifying situations to be on a battlefield. Every muscle in your body and your mind just screaming at you to run and take cover. And you can't even watch what happens you simply blink and the men on your left and right all fall crumpled to ground like dolls having their strings cut. You raise your rifle to fire back but you can't see your targets anymore the cloud of gunfire from the cannons and your men returning fire leaves the field shrouded in a haze while death and terror are all around you.
I haven’t seen this film but that is definitely the most realistic artillery depiction of the period I have ever seen. Props to the director/effects ppl.
That’s canister Grapeshot was used more on ships and it was was too Big to make such a spread and damage as shown But this is a accurate representation of canister
Grapeshot was very rarely used that close, being the only times was if an artillery position was being charged and possibly overrrun by infantry or cavalry and would only have been one single volley, and formations didn't positions themselves directly in the line of fire of cannons while standing still. This movie is pure fantasy on a real event, at least the fight, the partial infiltration of the officer corps by masonic Judas puppets is accurate, and that the soldiers look confused about what's going on and that they didn't know that they were in fact being led in rebellion by foreign infiltrators and a handful of indoctrinated traitors, the rebels officers, is also accurate. The masons praying to God is almost has bad as the formations being grapeshoted, as its inaccurate as they were and are all godless anti-european degenerates, and this is no exaggeration, the forefathers and creators of Marxism after their other artificial ideology, liberalism/republicanism failed miserably and was rejected and fought against uninamously by the populace in every country, so they took to infiltration, subversion and destabilization, and indoctrination(by infiltrating academias), all financed by their banks, corporations, and masonic puppet state(USA and England, the latter post 16882, the former since its creation)
Was looking for a scene that used canister/grapeshot. Hollywood focuses on the long range cannon balls but once the enemy was in range, they would employee the dreaded grapeshot. A Shotgun on steroids!
Picket's charge scene in "Gettysburg" showed artillery switching from shells to canisters as enemy went closer and its effects quite well. Without gore for age restrictions considerations of course.
I never sae this movie but from the scenes I know I just love the look. It captures how brutal line warfare actually is. I just love how they show grapeshot is just as much a psycological weapon as it is to kill and maim.
I understand why they went straight for the targeted grapeshot (more cinematic). But actual events had the loyalists fired blanks rounds. Then, over the Decemberists heads. The third load was targeted.
It's really impressive to me how Russians are still able to make really impressive and high-quality movies and yet, almost nobody talks about them. Sure, they're obviously nowhere close to matching the highs of Soviet cinematography, but they've not degraded as much as the cinematic stage of most other nations.
The Russian middle class tried to reform but the Romanovs met them with the grape shots. 100 years later the Romanovs were at the end of the grape shots.
In the interregnum of December 14 [O. S. December 26], 1825, a group of officers raised an uprising against the autocracy. They wanted to establish a republic in Russia, or a constitutional monarchy and destroy serfdom (almost eighty percent of the inhabitants of the Russian Empire were almost in the position of slaves) The uprising was suppressed, the leaders were hanged, other officers were either sent to hard labor or to the Caucasian war as privates. Soldiers who participated in the uprising were beaten to death with shpitsruten (a standard metal ramrod for muzzle-loading firearms.)
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Damn...
Just another normal day in Russia
@@adamhall5298 Not true. We recall the USA, for example, the veterans' march on Washington in the summer of 1932, or the Ludlow massacre in 1914. The path to the kingdom of freedom, in any state, goes through blood.
You're comparing apples with pears. Look at the outcomes, Russia is still stuck at kleptocracy level with complete disregard for human life and dignity. The US is a deeply flawed democracy.
@@adamhall5298 It is you who have no concept of the flow of history. Are the USA and the Russian Federation cast in bronze? Haven't they been changing all this time? One moment: in the history of the United States, the civil war of the north with the south and Karl Marx, the founder of scientific communism, writes a welcome letter to Lincoln: "Dear sir!
We send congratulations to the American people on your re-election by a huge majority.
If the moderate slogan of your first election was resistance to the power of slaveholders, then the victorious battle cry of your second election reads: death to slavery!
From the very beginning of the titanic struggle in America, the workers of Europe instinctively felt that the fate of their class was connected with the starry flag. Wasn't the struggle for territories, which marked the beginning of this harsh epic, supposed to decide whether the virgin soil of vast spaces would be given to the labor of a migrant or disgraced by the footsteps of a slave overseer?..." Another moment was the October Revolution in Russia and for the first time in the world the rights of workers to work, rest, treatment and study were legislated.
One of the best depictions of field artillery I’ve seen. Nothing about this scene comes out as “Wilhelm scream”. No exaggerated and dramatic jumping when artillery strikes the line, no Platoon-esque “falling dramatically from gunfire”. The grapeshot fires, and your line is torn apart a dozen men at a time, as though they’d been hit with a sledgehammer at high speed. Meanwhile you’re standing there, praying to every god there is that you not get hit…gruesome, visceral, and absolutely realistic
Do you mean a jackhammer? Instead of a sledgehammer.
Other than the wet sponging and the guns not being depressed enough.
@@mackenzieblair8135 Wet sponge was done to extinguish any residual embers in the bore. Very much a real thing.
@@Yaivenov The sponge creates a vacuum which deprives any existing embers of oxygen. To create a proper seal the sponge needs to be dampened; not soaking wet.
A wet sponge is incredibly dangerous. It increases the risk of misfires and can create clumps of smoldering powder encapsulated in soaking wet powder which can then cook off the next powder charge.
I’ve shot 19th century artillery many times and studied the manuals and loading procedures of the period.
@@mackenzieblair8135 vacuum doesn't do what you're suggesting. You need to quench/cool the combusting material. Also at this point the powder charges are themselves encapsulated in waxed paper/lead foil.
Imagine after years of battling against Napoleon then you had to go through this
you'd be surprised what the lack of food will do to a people
@@kitkat47chrysalis95 my brother in Christ, Decembrist uprising had nothing to do with food
Ikr I'd have probably just gone home.
@@CoffTheBirb nothing? The endemic poverty and continue famines sure nothing related
@@WissHH- do you really know anything about this historical event? It wasn't a peasant uprising or a mass mutiny among the conscripted soldiers, but rather an attempt of coup performed by a very tight and secretive group of military officers at the day of Nicolas I's coronation. It was caused primarily by the lack of political freedom, violently stern standards of military discipline and consistent incompetence of the previous emperor. Neither the officers who staged the coup, nor the elite soldiers of leib guard regiments were "starving". They were demanding freedom, education and respect, not food- and that's one of the reasons why they were absolutely ignored by the general public and easily overwhelmed by loyalist forces.
Revolutions are romantic, until you're actually in the revolution
Oh touché
Revolt, not revolution.
Ideals are peaceful my friend, history is violent.
@@chronos5090 very true statement, touché
A Revolution is not a dinner party - Chairman Mao
To cannon, all men are equal.
Not really to cannon
@@ethanramos4441 Yeah, to cannon... it knows not friend from foe... it only does what its told to do when loaded and ignited.
@@TheAngelOfDeath01 Oh I see I forgot it’s a quote from Napoleon
@@TheAngelOfDeath01 Napoleon meant that cannon knows not aristocrat from peasant as far as I know, cannon doesnt care if you are rich or poor
@@Caesar88888 Yeps, that's the inspirit of the French Revolution way of putting it, but you are quite right.
The metal sound when the cannons are going off really makes you feel the brutality of war. Just an observation.
The audio and visuals are quite beautiful.
I absolutely love the sound of the canon sizzling as they are swabbed out and the steam escaping out through the touch off port. So detailed and realistic. You don’t see that in movies.
@@jameshetu6885 Now, I've never fired a cannon (various small calibre things though), but I suspect you'd have to shoot one a *lot* for it to reach temperatures sufficient to boil water. Such a mass of metal would take some time to heat from the extremely brief moments the burning gunpowder is actually in the barrel. And the slow firing rate means you'd need far longer, and more shots than are taking place here, to accrue that amount of heat. Each cannon might only take two or three shots in this scene.
Another place where grapeshot was used was in Lyon after the French army suppressed the Girondist uprising. Dissatisfied with the slowness of the guillotine and conventional firing squads, the Revolutionary tribunals decided to try using grapeshot for mass executions of suspected Girondist rebels. It was abandoned after soldiers were forced to finish off the surviving condemned with swords, knives and bayonets, and subsequently refused to carry out any more grapeshot firing squads.
Damn I feel like I read about that too before. Absolutely brutal. Not as brutal as the shit that went down in the Vendee but still terrible.
It's amazing how often in history someone has thought "it's taking too long to kill all these people!"
Hell yeah dude.
@@TESkyrimizer
Vendee rebels had it coming.
Napoleon used it in 1795 in Paris
In a situation like that on the battlefield there was some serious psychology at play. The artillerymen knew that if they ran or surrendered, the attacking infantry would be content to seize the position. If the artillery fired, then it would be a fight to the death against a much more numerous enemy hell bent on revenge.
Battlefield stories are full of reports of artillerymen being bayoneted and sabered as their position is overrun.
Civilians who where their also reported hearing the officers telling the men that they wouldn't fire the cannons since both sides are russians and we saw how that turned out.
Which movie is it?
@@karandullet380 Union of Salvation, it's in the description
Shoot byden
Several Hessian artillerymen were killed at Trenton (26 Dec. 1776) when the 3-lb. battalion guns they were trying to bring into action on Queen Street were overrun. One of the few wounds suffered that day on the American side was inflicted on a future POTUS, LT James Monroe, who was slashed in the hand by a Hessian artillery NCO's hanger-sword during the brief struggle for the guns.
My favorite part of this scene is the rising tension. Before the guns are fired, you can see and hear the moral weight of what is about to happen. The man running with the canister shot in his hands is nervous, the spectators are anxious of what might happen. The rebel officers are trying to rally their men with words that “they won’t dare fire at us”. Best of all, when the order to fire is given, the men do not fire immediately. They stand still, and refuse to fire until the officer has to do it himself and takes the first shot. Why should they shoot at their fellow countrymen? HOW could they shoot at them with such a horrible weapon? With this incredible weight on their shoulders, the men either freeze, or refuse to fire. Unfortunately when the first cannon goes off, it is already too late and the other cannon crews follow their grim orders.
In nineteen ninety-three, a mirror situation turned out. The tank soldiers refused to shoot at the Supreme Soviet of Russia, and then the Yeltsin authorities bribed officers to form crews for tanks from them, which shot the Supreme Soviet.
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Dude narrated a 4 minute clip like he's the only one that got it
Seems like a good solution. If only we implemented it today against protesters on roads
@@FighteroftheNightman Congratulations on making a condescending comment, you get a cookie for that one. Open wide!
The sad part, most of these soldiers killed would have been Veterans of the Napoleonic Wars.
Veterans of the Napoleonic Wars were on both sides. For example, general Miloradovich, the hero of the war of 1812, was killed by Kakhovsky, one of the leaders of the Decembrist movement.
I say that every time I think about war
The saddest thing is that the soldiers were not rebels at all. The officers simply took advantage of their official position and led their soldiers out under buckshot without explaining anything to them.
@@wrtltable What worst the officers leader that was suppose to exacuted the coup got cold feet even the one that only had one job to kill the Tsar and then they just go for a walk or go back without informing the other officer who already going with the coup alongside theire soliders.
At least the soldiers had their chances to go back to their barrack and thing will never happen until the officers screw that up.
Most of these soldiers were idiots. Standing in a tightly packed formation against a cannon and not even returning a single shot despite their entire platoon being armed. They could have fell back to the buildings, split up and used them as cover and fought an urban warfare setting, but I guess that would require an IQ higher than 80
The metallic retort of the cannon was perfect, as was the imagery of the impact.
While I really appreciate the depiction of grapeshot, it's actually the reaction of the people that get me to fall in love with this scene. I can feel my own heart race as the first shot is being loaded up. Officers give assurance to the men, another's breathing is picking up, spit is being swallowed and the soldiers stiffen while the onlookers are shaken by the sound of the order. Be it the crowd and even the guy holding the fuse, I bet jitters are high, "oh God, is this really happening?"
I'm going to have to look up the history on this, and watch this movie. Thanks
Anyone else here after reading the "as the founding fathers intended" copypaste?
"Tallyho lads!"
@@kishascape No, but now I'm curious
Edit, watched it, loved it
I used to own a piece of US Civil War grapeshot. It was about an inch or so in diameter and was made of iron. These cannons look a bit smaller, the 6 pounder being one of the most common size guns during the Napoleonic era, so I imagine that's what these would have been, so the grapeshot would have been something like an inch in diameter or close to it. The grapeshot would have been devastating on anything it came into contact with.
During Napoleonic war leib-guard used 12 pounder cannons. So, in this scene decemberists was shot by 12 pounder cannons.
Canister shot used approx 1-inch diameter iron balls.
Grapeshot was significantly larger and primarily used by naval guns.
You owned a heckin ball of iron 1 inch in diameter?! That's like, le awesome, dude.
no shit
Actually it’s Canister shot. It’s full of musket balls.
In fact, the rebels did not stand unanswered, this is how it really was:
A volley of blank charges was fired at the square, which had no effect. The first volley was fired above the ranks of the rebellious soldiers. The rebels responded to the first volley with buckshot with rifle fire, but then, under a hail of buckshot, the flight began. According to the eyewitness of those events, V. I. Shteingel: “It was possible to limit ourselves to this,
but Sukhozanet fired a few more shots along the narrow Galerny Lane and across the Neva to the Academy of Arts, where more of the curious crowd fled! Crowds of rebellious soldiers rushed to the Neva ice to cross to Vasilyevsky Island.
Mikhail Bestuzhev tried on the ice of the Neva to again form soldiers into battle formation and go on the offensive against the Peter and Paul Fortress. The troops lined up, but were fired from cannons with cannonballs. The cores hit the ice, and it cracked, many drowned.
I thank you for your information
oh man, I could believe it. loaded with gear and heavy clothing. plus it is so cold. that would be a bad a bad way to go, but i guess that's better than dying from grapeshot in the belly
@@kyle18934 death from grapeshot is instant, unlike frost and ice.
@@difenol5750 Sometimes, if you take a grape to the chest or head. But a leg or arm? You lose the limb and die in agony over the next two minutes. Stomach shot that doesn't hit your spine? Maybe days to die, all the while in terrible agony. Drowning is quick and painless by comparison.
@@difenol5750 there are probably many more wounded than instantly killed by the grapeshot. Being shot isn't just an off switch, and there's more places you can be shot and survive, than shot and killed
Incredibly good looking uniforms
It Also shows how brutal Grapeshot was
Yes
Turn your cannon into a giant shotgun, the whole first rank of troops is dead. If you're in the second rank you'd begin to wonder if you actually want to be there.
The ideology of shooting a weopen round that splinters into mutple small projectiles to effectively kill mutple and injury dozens of others is just like having a flame thrower and Molotov cocktails and etc
Not only it's a brutal way to kill and injure but strikes fear knowing how savage and barbaric it is then compared to simole clean bullets to kill and even injury more
@@NaughtyNovaroo69 its a good thing it works for close ranges
Exactly! Not just ground exploding, but people falling like dominos. I love how they made it look realistic.
1:50 BEHOLD the luckiest man to ever exist.
Considering he would later either be arrested and executed, or would die on the ice shortly after this scene, I wouldn't consider him all that lucky.
Wind of ball might actually kill him
@Dalion Heart Only five Decembrists were actually executed. About 80 were transported to Siberia. The rest were sent to fight the Turks in the Caucasus.
dude probably shitted himself as he looked around right there
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125that's even worse...
The actor who plays the Tsar does a great expression of “I don’t want to do this, but I have to” , especially at 0:33 and 2:24.
He was the best actor in the movie in my opinion, great charisma and presence.
He captures the aristocratic presence perfectly
And the look he gives after the Decemberist leader fired at the retreating officer was a pure "why did you DO that". He really managed to exemplify how apprehensive the Tsar was in this moment.
He didn't have to do it.
If he didn't do it, and if he respected the normal demands of the rebels, then he'd probably have been welcomed with open arms by all the Russian Empire's people.
Instead, he thought that brutality would be enough.
Almost Stalinesque.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 this was in 1835, many of the Decembrists fought Napoleon and were influenced by him. If the Tsar gave into their demands, they could soon demand a republic. And that would mean the end of his life, considering how republics were formed back then.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 that is not how government works, he could hypothetically have done it if there wasn't a rebellion, however after there was no way he could have done it, also the leaders wanted his death, so it was either him or them
Honestly, this has to be one of the greatest battles ever put to film. You can just feel the raw terror of it all, seeing the brutality put in place, watching the blood spray out, the people being shot at with grapeshot. I'd put this scene up there with scenes like the first battle in Saving Private Ryan it's that well done.
Seems a bit more like a slaughter and a route at this point, but I haven't seen the whole film yet. Agreed wholeheartedly on the quality of it, though!
Hacksaw Ridge did a great job. It's quiet, then all hell breaks loose. Bullets flying everywhere, artillery landing, and absolute, total chaos. It took me a few seconds to realize it was chaotic on purpose: That's what real battles are like.
this is not a battle
@@ManabiLT Oder auch der Kampf um die Fabrik aus dem Film Stalingrad von 1993
First off Waterloo
Second off Zulu
Third and finally this isn’t a battle this is field artillery opening up on a peaceful demonstration.
This represents the complete brutality of canister shot or grapeshot at close range.
Complete brutality of every regime russia has had in any time.
@@Frankszky1923 what has that to do with his statement
@@K25_the_first the fact that Russia never had a government that wasn't brutal or inept, usually both
And "Close Range" for a grapeshot is easily 50-100 metres, absolutely mental to think how powerful such a Shotgun is when it's a 12 Pounder gun, though I believe the one used here is like a 3 pounder
Humans still use anti-personnel munitions, such as cluster bombs. The brutality hasn't changed, only the method of delivery.
The canister rounds are absolutely realistic. No fancy explosions on impact, but gives he'll to close infantry formations
Guys, before you say anything, just remember that these are commanders that have been educated in a hundred years of linear combat. They know why they stand rank and file against enemy cannons.
So why do they not shoot back? Is this what you do in linear combat?
@@catsandporn because they are too far to shoot it's either a bayonet charge to take over the artillery or stay and get mowd
@@w_od9611 Then why not a bayonet charge? Or marching forward? If you don't have artillery also, how can you assume this goes any differently if you don't close the distance? It just doesn't make sense...
@@joeleonard9965 Beacuse it is harder to maintain proper advance under such an artillery fire. Taking the facts that they didn't have cavalry for atack against artillery brigades + Tsar had guard cavalry and infantry battalions which could easily repell any atack from rebel side.
@@joeleonard9965 Beside they are outnumber. What ever they do they it will not work. If the Tsar have only artillery then it fine to charge. But that not the case, they don't even have calvary. If they broke square formation they are an easy target to get pick up by Calvary. If they got shot by grape shot or infantry first.
This scene blew me away.
says the one who cant aim
@@andrewcarlson3486 ahahahahahH
It blew them away too.
Grapes of wrath.
Clearly not.
Everything about this scene is obviously incredible, but perhaps my favorite part is the music. It's intense, it's visceral, and it's modern-an aspect that makes the scene feel so much more real and tangible. You get the sense that this isn't just something that happened long ago, but that could be happening right now. Truly phenomenal film-making.
Actually happens in almost every protest
With tear gas and rubber bullets
Russians have a lot of practice doing this to their own people. Especially over the past year and a half.
the music is pretty much the only thing i dont like about this scene, generic and doesn't really do the scene justice
@@michaelgreenwood3413brainwashed. an American tells a Russian about what is happening in Russia, because that’s what he was told on CNN😂😂😂
These guys have some damn fine discipline, I'd have run asap after the dude next to me got gibbed.
id have run at first day training when they told me i had too stand in a line and get shot at by some other blokes in a line
@@montaguegray7486 become skirmisher then lol
Those are the guys who fought off and beaten Napoleon's Le Grande Armee.
@@montaguegray7486 what´s so different about today battlefield where you can also et shot by another squad of men.
@@capscaps04 Because modern warfare conventions don't involve standing still in a wall of meat literally taking turns shooting at each other?
This film, Union of Salvation, was really damned good. Best depiction of 19th century artillery ever put on film.
Too bad its hard to find on DVD for American players. I watched it online for a few dollars before the War. Worth a watch.
There's the full movie on youtube
How the hell is it good? It doesn't provide historical context, it doesn't describe characters' motivations, just one-sided "Tsar good, decembrists bad". An abstract propaganda of emptiness.
The soldiers should’ve known they were in trouble when they heard the epic music...
It is always a bad sign.
your jokes are not epic
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Interesting that meme jumped languages
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From the memoirs of Nicholas the First (popularly nicknamed Palkin): "...Having left for the square, I wanted to see if there would be an opportunity, surrounding the crowd, to force surrender without bloodshed. At that time, a volley was fired at me; bullets whistled through my head and, fortunately, none of us were wounded. The workers of St. Isaac's Cathedral started throwing logs at us from behind the fences. It was necessary to decide to put an end to this as soon as possible, otherwise the riot could be communicated to the rabble, and then the troops surrounded by it would be in the most difficult position."
This moment 100% impacted Nicholas. The rest of his reign was marked by a very authoritarian rule (even for the time) and the violent suppression of many rebellions.
I think this uprising told him very early on that the best way to silence a revolutionary is with grapeshot.
@@bigj1905 This tsar, Nicholas the First, led the Russian Empire to defeat in the Crimean War of 1853-1856. Progress was in full swing all over the world, and Russia became like a foul-smelling swamp.
@@vadimanreev4585 tragic that what followed the “foul swamp” of tsars were 80 million murders. The greatest horror story in world history.
The Tsars were benevolent and king in comparison.
Как будто на фабриках в Англии, шахтах в Норвегии, на приисках Старого Запада и в колониях Нового Света счастливые и довольные люди розы нюхали.
@@СергейБелозеров-ц2хno Brasil sempre tomamos muito banho no mínimo 2 por dia eu tomo 4 banhos por dia e fazemos isso a seculos
Never count on your enemy's mercy or decency, it's a potentially fatal move.
Именно благодаря этому через 100 лет победят большевики и устроят ад на Земле, прямо или косвенно убив десятки миллионов моих соотечественников, а их наследники будут править до сих пор. Либералы-февралисты, свергнувшие императора, посчитали что большевики не посмеют разогнать зарождающийся парламент, если они сами себя разоружат и распустят боевые подразделения, что они и сделали. Конечно большевики только посмеялись над этим и с помощью банд пьяных матросов Петрограда просто разогнали всех, а тех кто упорствовал расстреляли.
Если вы считаете себя силами добра - сражайтесь, вы не имеете морального права позволять себе быть мягким, так как зло беспощадно и подло.
They were their brothers in arms as this is after the Napoleonic wars. Also the grape shot was used in small quantities with the intent to break up the rebel lines. If this was a real war Vs a foreign enemy the grape shot would have been devastating.
They did not think they were enemies.
The "Life-Guard" is one of the highest formations to exist in the "Ancien Regime" armies.
They literally "guard the life" of the Tsar.
The fact that the person who they are meant to give their lives for so callously slaughtered them, in full view of his civilian subjects, is what you're ignoring.
This even reflected very poorly on the populations' understanding of the Tsar, and helped form the anti-Tsarism that came to be represented in even more violent lone-wolf terrorism and then finally in the equally brutal Bolsheviks.
In the future, the rebels wouldn't treat their own as their friends. But that was a double-edged sword, as history has shown us (the Bolsheviks massacred fellow Russians en-masse with even more glee).
Damn the courage of the guy at 2:13 to look around, see the entire group around him dead and to walk up and take the solider infront of hims place is js crazy, even if it was standard for all soldiers back then
yeah, and imagine how brutal it was in a real battle, this was a revolution
When they talk about the brutality of the Bolsheviks in the twenties of the twentieth century, you need to understand that the majority of the country's population approved of their actions. Because the people, for three hundred years of slavery, have suffered grief.
@@vadimanreev4585 no, it's a lie. Even most the revolution supporting part of the society the majority supported social-democrats, which even won the soviet election, so Lenin and Trotsky just dismantled soviets by the brutal force of Petrograd Revolutinary Comitee, lol. Bolsheviks were nothing more but a red ISIS supported by the minority of the most cruel psychopaths
@@vadimanreev4585lmao, your source? Nearly half the county was against the Bolsheviks. Serfdom was horrible but that doesn’t mean that the majority of the county wanted the brutality and terror the Bolsheviks inflicted to happen. You can’t make generalizations for people in times where you haven’t lived without proof.
“Bolshevik seizure of power was not universally accepted” (Wikipedia)
Tambov Rebellion (Wikipedia)
@@samarmstrong6569 My dear man! To refute you do not need to bother yourself much. The Tambov uprising took place in Russia and covered several tens of thousands of people. There were already a hundred million people in Russia at that time. So not all of Russia rebelled. How did the Ukrainian population feel about the Bolsheviks? More people joined the Red Army than the white one, and after twenty years of Soviet rule, NINE million Ukrainians fought in the war with the fascists in the red army, and no more than two hundred thousand people joined the Fascist.
The rank and file soldiers, who had large numbers cut down by grape shot and then had more drown in the frozen river they retreated to, were not in the coupe itself and in fact were told that the man they thought was the Czar was being usurped by his younger brother.
This!
Which is unfortunate because Constantin had privately abdicated in favour of his brother, but that wasn't publicly known yet (Constantin was still in Warsaw). That's why the soldiers thought they were doing a counter-coup against Nicholas' coup.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 "Privately abdicated" is whatever was concocted after the event, since the loser would not dare contending it. It would be like miraculously discovering the men you stole a car from had privately donated it to you free of charge a bit earlier, how convenient.
Especially since most of the previous century in Russia was called 'An Era of Palatial Coups' with inheritance wills of the emperors forged. Basically those soldiers indeed participated in a counter-coup that was mythologized long after the events to keep up the appearances.
1:51 look at one guy survives one grapeshot Volley, wounded a little, covered in blood, loses his hat and is still standing. What are champion
Incredible scene! the uniforms and the atmosphere is gorgeous in every ways!
1:56 Is it just me or does Russia seem to have a long history of its citizens dying unnecessarily?
Who the hell even stands in the way of a military standoff, especially when they see cannons lining up.
@@zhukov7923 Probably the closest thing they had to excitement back in the day. They used to make spectacles out of executions; watching a man hang for piracy was the equivalent of going to the movies.
@@zhukov7923 probably didn't have a clue that they were using grapeshots instead of the normal ball shot
Because Russia has been ruled by totalitarian and parasitic despots and nobles since its very inception.
@@zhukov7923 this kind of warfare was so far removed from civilian populace that it was a spectacle to many of this time, something very, very heavily romanticized by artists and propaganda. In one of the earliest battles of the American Civil War it was observed that people had settled on a nearby hillside to picnic as _spectators_ to the battle; they very quickly ran when the hill itself began to take musket and cannon fire.
Even today we experience this effect; there are many stories from the US military of 18 year-olds soiling themselves in Iraq and Afghanistan because their entire perceptions of war and combat came from Call of Duty.
God I wish those hats were still in style.
Wow Im traumatized just watching it!
This needs to be shown in the theaters and on tv to remind people of awfulness of war ! I have so much respect for the people who came before me!
We are all standing on the shoulders of giants. Thousands of years of defeats and victories, scientific discoveries and obscurantistic oblivion have created the current civilization
officer: Glory to Constantine and the constitution!
soldiers: what is a constitution?
officer: well... uh... that's Konstantin's wife
soldiers: aha., glory to Constantine and the Constitution!
Quickly read up on it, they wanted to make the empire into something more akin to a mix of the UK and USA. Constitutional monarch; 12 sovereign States within the empire by economic lines, all with access to a sea or major river system and their own legislatures; division of powers; two legislative houses, etc. And Konstantin as emperor.
@@Tounushi they were too hasty, those kind of reforms must start slow or otherwise you meet the bullets and the powder
@@lordkfc1297 And in Russia, any hint of reforms is usually met with bullets and powder.
@@Tounushi It matters little that they were in Russia, if you tried to change from absolute monarchy to a constitutional one you would either need a revolution or be very careful on what reforms you propose so you don't take to much power from the king in one go
@@lordkfc1297 Ah yes the reforms must start slow to the point that you are the only last european country to reform and it came very late.
Jesus, grapeshot may as well be a fucking machine gun
Famous last words, "They won't dare to shoot"
2:13 the balls you have to have in that situation, like that dude took the meme “oh no, anyway” to heart. All his boys just dropped around him and he’s like “gotta get back in position”
Edit: man the keyboard warriors really came out on this one “it’s your duty” stfu ya nerds y’all be sippin
its ingrained in them, you just stand
It was your duty to stand, you stood for what you represented. He may have regretted his choices but he wasn’t going back.
After all this are no raw conscripts this is the russian imperial guard, the more discipline men of the russian army and quite some veterans of the napoleonic wars
Nah bro his brain is probably hearing white noise from the shock.
In moments like this you can't think and without training will default to your instincts. Hence why soldiers drill & train over and over.
How the fall and the brutality of the impacts make this scene unique
It is still "sanitized" nobady screams in death pain for a long time, call for there mothere, or scream in horror of the wound they have taken, I have get un-maned (groin hit) they all die "relatively" fast and silent.
@@kirgan1000 The only (almost) completely non-"sanitized" war movie is Come and See. Nothing comes close to that.
One of the better depictions of grape shot I've seen on film as a reenactor. But if it were real it would be far, FAR bloodier and gruesome... as in body parts flying everywhere 'gruesome'.
However, I do appreciate the movie showing how a battery load of grape would eviscerate battalions whole companies at a time.
The subtitles in this video are not always accurate. E.g. at 0:29 he actually says: "Let me take the guilt for this blood", at 3:47 the officer shouts not just "Follow me", but "Follow me! To Neva!" (a river in St Petersburg - it was frozen at the time, and the officer hoped to cross the ice with the troops to capture the Armoury on the other bank and retry the offensive), at 4:07 soldiers shout not "Run", but "Run to Arsenal!" (Armoury) and "Until the victory, lads!"
Thank you
Shostakovich's 11th "The Year 1905" has a similar scene depicted musically - the Russian army firing into a crowd of demonstrators with Maxim Guns. Absolutely chilling music.
Russia moment.
@@andro7862 Exactly lol.
Which movie?
@@bjorneisenseite9025 It wasn't a movie. In fact, there is no movie. It was a symphony - written in 1957, and sometimes described as "a film score without the film". The version on Naxos by the Liverpool Symphony, with Vasily Petrenko as conductor, is particularly good.
My God, I truly feel for every soldier over the millennia who has died just standing there in position. Can you imagine the millions who have been mowed down over the centuries by arrow, cannon fire or so many other weapons? War is truly hell.
It wouldn't take a lot of grapeshot to make me run like hell. These guys have brass balls!
"They won't dare to shoot us!"
NICHOLAS I: Bazinga!
I've been looking for this dang movie, thank you man.
Movie name?
@@HalfPraetorian союз спасение
“They won’t dare shoot us!”
The loyalists: “Bet”
I just realized that, in 2 years, it will be 200 years since the Decembrist Revolt
When the lieb guard runs, you know it’s fucked up
Ah yes giant shotgun
Hmm
I can't believe they filmed this back in 1825
Powerful. Also love the costumes/scenery. Effects of this still living with us -
These are the finest looking uniforms in the history of warfare.
Мужики в форме!
©Badcomedian
I like they included the metallic ring when the cannons fire. It's accurate and something you don't get firing just blanks.
While the rest of the movie might be crap and innaccurate... this isn't. This is exactly how horrific it is to be on the receiving end of grapeshot.
I remember when I grapeshotted 50 men, this is accurate.
Is the movie bad?
@@Tugboatpb it's historically inaccurate and has poorly written characters. There was a 1.2H comedy review of it (only in Russian, unfortunately) which is much more enjoyable than this move. So, yeah, battle scenes are great, everything else sucks big time.
@@evilbabai7083 damn that sucks. I've greatly warmed up to this era of history and want to watch more of it. The cinematography of this scene is excellent
@@Tugboatpb yeah, that's a common problem of mainstream movies in Russia since "Cinema Fund" was established - they make a good presentation to get money and then make a shallow lazy cash grab of a movie that eventually flops at the box office. And sometimes it's not only bad, but even offensive, misrepresenting historical events and portraying it's figures in absolutely disgusting fashion, twisting their actions and motivation. Quick tip - if you see movie reviewed by BadComedian, skip it or watch the review instead.
today, they just cancel you on social media and block your bank account
Can you believe this really happened? Like this was a regular occurrence during this time period. The testicular fortitude it must’ve took to stand in a fucking straight line and just get peppered with grape shot is astounding.
Walking slowly to maintain cohesion toward an entrenched enemy position walk 60ft infront of them unload 2 volleys point blank stick a sword on your gun and charge.... idk how they charged with their balls hanging so low.
Well it didn't really happen this way. The rebels were fired at with blanks and didn't respond. Then they were fired at over their heads with live rounds and the Decemberists replied with aimed shots. Then they were hit with with live rounds, including grape, slaughtered, fled, tried to regroup on the ice, and the ice was hit with canon balls. You can imagine what happened next.
@@christophdollis1955 I guess the Movie needed to cut for budget and time reasons, you can only put so much in hour 30 minute. Wish they made extended version for non cinema releases with more scenes and details, I'll pay for those.
@@moogiibat5845 I was a bit annoyed that this movie showed the Decemberists just stupidly standing there after being hit with grape shot repeatedly. In fact, they fired the first aimed shots.
@@christophdollis1955 Well, they did fire and fataly wounded the cavalry that charged before the artillery scene. They do look stoic tho.
2:28 you could tell that wasn't his first time being on the wrong end of a cannon.
Russian warfilm always Amaze me with it's accuracy. Not like Hollywood war film
The movie sucks in terms of accuracy. It paints the conflict as one-sided "Tsar good, decembrists bad" without providing context to any of this.
1:44 Bro went from daring Russian commander to Lord Beckett in a span of about 0.2 seconds
To hear officers, who are trained to mantain their calm and composture, starting to scream in fear and agony maniacally, withiut knowing what to do, and see grown ass men with koustaches looking around confused, that has to be one of the scariest sights
Have to wonder what would have happened had they convinced their men to charge the cannons before they began firing, still many would die from the cannons but if they had reached them it would have been interesting to know how things could have gone
They would have been killed by superior musket fire and bayonets.
@@radziwill7193 is this based on the numbers from the actual event, I don’t know a lot about it but it does seem interesting. Movie makes it look fairly even but that could just be artistic liberty
@@lrl2394 yeah they didn't have the numbers. This is based on the real events of the Decemberist uprising where they were hugely outnumbered. If they actually fought they would have been crushed. Their only bet was to stand there and hope the army wouldn't dare shoot at their own officers and veterans.
The Decemberist story was a tragic one. They were essentially officers and veterans who marched through Europe to defeat what they were told was the tyranny of Napoleon, only to realise that France was much more liberal and prosperous than Russia. They wanted reforms but due to how autocratic and conservative the Tsarist administration was, they were convinced an armed uprising was the only solution and grew desperate, resorting to a series of suicidal coup and mutiny attempts.
They where heard telling their men that the loyal troops wouldn't shoot on them since they are all Russians and cannons proved that wrong.
@@HansenDing jesus man, sounds like russia every few decades
1:47 *WHOA! That was close,* he thought.
2:10 *My hat!*
*"They won't dare to fire at us!"*
I mean... You already capped their horsemen at the start of this rally, so in this situation it's one of those "an eye for an eye" concepts.
This is the most accurate portrayal of linear warfare i’ve ever seen.
Essentially a giant shotgun……appears extremely effective
1:26 I love how chill that drummer is lol
Just the SOUND of it firing...
Whoever produced/directed this movie should provide some lessons on movie making to Ridley Scott.
Andrei Kravchuk. I've not seen this movie yet but I saw two other movies directed by him. Honestly I didn't like them much (that's why I'm still hesitating with watching this one) but I have to admit that they were done very professionally from the technical side.
The outset was different. One was set to do his own interpretation of a historical events while the other was set to do anglo-saxon propaganda. There was never a chance
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Grapeshot is one of those “so simple yet so devastating” inventions. I mean at the end of the day all you really do is to dump a bunch of small metal balls into a cannon. The result, however, speaks for itself….
The gods help whatever poor bastard that found themselves on the receiving end of that barrel…
A cannon with grapeshot is basically a shotgun that has been scaled up 50 times.
Sometimes you don't even need small metal balls. Just nuts, bolts, nails and such will do too.
They were betrayed by their own already during the planning. Like it so often goes.
In reality, this would be so much worse. Firing grape into a packed crowd at that range would have literally torn their bodies to tiny pieces. The people in this scene fall with their arms and legs still intact, but in reality, it would have looked much worse. I imagine that the producers of this film didn't want to traumatize the audience with gore and dismembered body parts, which is understandable.
I just love how the people on the sides are watching this like if it's a SPORTS event! 🤣🤣
Public executions were a common spectacle back then. Not too surprising they'll be here to watch this
There were no TV and internet back then, y'know ;)
People living the moment
This is actually historically accurate, many battles had spectators in the past
@@JayzsMr First Battle of Bull Run. Have a nice picnic while watching the Army of Northeastern Virginia get pimp slapped.
Their discipline is phenomenal. As men fell, their comrades on either side simply closed in to reform the lines.
I imagine that receiving grapeshot from a cannon while holding formation is probably just one the most horrifying situations to be on a battlefield. Every muscle in your body and your mind just screaming at you to run and take cover. And you can't even watch what happens you simply blink and the men on your left and right all fall crumpled to ground like dolls having their strings cut. You raise your rifle to fire back but you can't see your targets anymore the cloud of gunfire from the cannons and your men returning fire leaves the field shrouded in a haze while death and terror are all around you.
"What are you going to do? Fire grapeshot at me?" - Man who was grapeshotted
Can confirm the new grapeshot ability for the Dawi in Warhammer 3 tears through even the most heavily armored chaos troops
I haven’t seen this film but that is definitely the most realistic artillery depiction of the period I have ever seen. Props to the director/effects ppl.
I don't think I'm familiar with a better depiction in cinema of what grape was like until probably Scott's Napoleon epic
Survive the Napoleonic war but not in the Hands of their Countrymen
That’s canister
Grapeshot was used more on ships and it was was too Big to make such a spread and damage as shown
But this is a accurate representation of canister
I forgot about grapeshot being used in cannons like that, it seems like it was extremely effective.
Grapeshot was very rarely used that close, being the only times was if an artillery position was being charged and possibly overrrun by infantry or cavalry and would only have been one single volley, and formations didn't positions themselves directly in the line of fire of cannons while standing still.
This movie is pure fantasy on a real event, at least the fight, the partial infiltration of the officer corps by masonic Judas puppets is accurate, and that the soldiers look confused about what's going on and that they didn't know that they were in fact being led in rebellion by foreign infiltrators and a handful of indoctrinated traitors, the rebels officers, is also accurate.
The masons praying to God is almost has bad as the formations being grapeshoted, as its inaccurate as they were and are all godless anti-european degenerates, and this is no exaggeration, the forefathers and creators of Marxism after their other artificial ideology, liberalism/republicanism failed miserably and was rejected and fought against uninamously by the populace in every country, so they took to infiltration, subversion and destabilization, and indoctrination(by infiltrating academias), all financed by their banks, corporations, and masonic puppet state(USA and England, the latter post 16882, the former since its creation)
@@alexmag342 are your circuits frying
@@alexmag342 Least deranged Portuguese
@@alexmag342 smartest Portuguese
@@alexmag342 least schizophrenic monarchist
i love how only one contingent, the one at 3:44; stood still while others ran.
The cannons have zero recoil and I can't stop seeing it.
Damn, the Russians know how to make epic movies that make Hollywood filmmakers look like innocent babies. I wish we had more great Russian cinema.
As a Russian, I can tell you this is literally the only good scene from the movie
@@mrpatriarch7814 but this scene will surpass a dozen modern Hollywood scenes.
@@mrpatriarch7814no the whole movie is great , no idea what you are talking about
Never take a hat to an artillery fight
One of the best movies of you can get it!
Was looking for a scene that used canister/grapeshot. Hollywood focuses on the long range cannon balls but once the enemy was in range, they would employee the dreaded grapeshot. A Shotgun on steroids!
Picket's charge scene in "Gettysburg" showed artillery switching from shells to canisters as enemy went closer and its effects quite well. Without gore for age restrictions considerations of course.
@@090giver090 there are even a few commands you hear during Pickett's charge for the union artillery to load double canister.
I never sae this movie but from the scenes I know I just love the look. It captures how brutal line warfare actually is. I just love how they show grapeshot is just as much a psycological weapon as it is to kill and maim.
"Everyone is willing to fight, until they actually have to fight."
The generals rank depended on the length of their sideburns
Superb Russian production, far better than Hollywood ones.
I understand why they went straight for the targeted grapeshot (more cinematic). But actual events had the loyalists fired blanks rounds. Then, over the Decemberists heads. The third load was targeted.
It's really impressive to me how Russians are still able to make really impressive and high-quality movies and yet, almost nobody talks about them. Sure, they're obviously nowhere close to matching the highs of Soviet cinematography, but they've not degraded as much as the cinematic stage of most other nations.
This film is a masterpiece. I wish I could watch the entire film with English subtitles
The Russian middle class tried to reform but the Romanovs met them with the grape shots. 100 years later the Romanovs were at the end of the grape shots.
1:12 “Remember; No Russian.”
I come back to this video and THIS IS WHAT I FIND!!