Extended Highlights: Stefan Edberg v Andre Agassi | Indian Wells Final 1990
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Stefan Edberg my all time favourite .. his volleys were like an artisan's craft .. his rivalry with Boris Becker specially on grass was electric .. remember the three finals 1988-90 at Wimbledon .. Tennis was sublime then!!
Yes, and such a shame it didn't become four in a row, when he lost in the 1991 semi-finals to Michael Stich, not even losing his serve once in the process (6-4 6-7 6-7 6-7). I still remember him walking up to the net to congratulate Stich, as he was coughing.
@@Federerfan22 Kudos to you for bringing back the memory.. Now it flashed through my mind as if it happened yesterday. By the way I was 21 in 1991!!
All the best
@@travelfan70 Thanks and you're welcome. I was 18 myself. That 1989 French Open final hurt even more, though. I wish he'd won that match, more than any other (Edberg himself does too.)
1991 wimbledon was probably best tennis ever by Stefan Edberg, incredible he didn't pass to the final, i remember like it was yesterday that match vs Stich
@@Gianluca-xn7ri You are very right
Of all the players from that "Swedish tennis invasion", Edberg was my favorite. Such flow, finesse the way he played.
I agree with you
Totally agree!
Wow! What a great match!. I almost forgot how beautifully Edberg played the game. I first saw him at the U.S. Open when he was just 16 or 17.
Stefan Edberg is the best volleyer of all time. Crisp, smart, talented, textbook. Never out of balance, easy in the eyes smooth volleys, great timing on approaches. Simply perfect.
Hyman Sahak Yes Edberg definitely a roll model and perfect example on the technique and tactics of volleys. He has textbook technique. However John McEnroe is an absolute magician with his volley. I don’t know if you could teach his technique or his touch. I have watched him play on grass courts and his soft hands applied spin that kept the ball so low opponents could not hit it or reach it on one bounce. McEnroe is always an unrelenting net rusher. Serve / volley, approach/ volley plus chip and charge on return of service. I would rate Edberg #1 on technique and McEnroe #1 on tactics and touch.
thomas medeiros
Agreed. If you want to teach a student how to volley, you show Edberg. McEnroe is a special specimen. When he injured his back in 85, he was never the same player and never won another grand slam as he couldn’t split step properly on his volleys anymore. He was playing at 60% capacity which wasn’t enough to win grand slams, especially with players getting better with new equipment and fitness.
I guess there’s a difference from the best technical volley - I think Edberg has a very strong case and is a good role model - versus most effective volleyer - where McEnroe may be superior; but I’d never teach my kid to emulate him. Nobody else, even pros, could get away with not bending their knees.
Definitely the best volleyer because his groundstrokes look so bad lol. Edberg’s my favorite player, but sometimes when I’m watching these old matches, I think I could take Edberg from the baseline.
@@chrono106 he had a great backhand, but yeah, his forehand wasn't exactly a weapon.
Feels like Agassi is a tennis time traveler, playing against Edberg and then later on his carrers against Federer.
He played Connors(1952) and Nadal(1986) as well,and Connors played(and lost ) to Pancho Gonzales(1928) and Ken Rosewall(1934).
@@aleksthegreat4130 You know your tennis sir.
To have the precission of Edberg with that flimsy racquet is insane. That shows how much talent he had
C'mon man, by all means no flimsy. This is the legendary pro staff 85. Pretty solid and firm thing. It's one of the racquets with most feel and precision. If I recall correct he was playing Bow Brand natural gut at 25kg. Heaven to play with...
skylaxx Courts were as fast as paddle courts or even faster back then so to have that precision is still awesome
ppm120667 Dont confuse power with speed. Carpet pretty much dissapeared and grass is as slow as rebound ace since 2008. Power affects players evenly, surface benefits serve and slice players since the ball goes faster in comparisson
Tennis lovers all know the racket is ps 85, not flimsy
@@tatsf226 exactly
Variety of shots and net play definitely make this game much more enjoyable to watch than most games these days.
0,5x speed compared to today's tennis
@@g2tennis and yet still more enjoyable
Variety of shots, net play, the use of angles, the mind working. It’s all so much better than today. Now they just knocked the shit out of the ball and make 20 errors is set. It seems like 95% of today’s TENNIS is completely unwatchable. Not even going to mention women’s tennis which is horrible!
this is interesting match,becaurce they played on slow court
@@LetsBuildThatApp speak for yourself
Stefan Edberg - my favorite player ever!
Same here
Can't get more contrast in play and personality than these two. Great times.
Stefan Edberg - the last of the great genuine serve and volley greats along with McEnroe. Won matches despite not having a great serve like Becker or Sampras.
Edberg's serve was very good. Not fast like Becker or Sampras', but he got consistently good spin & kick on the ball that allowed him to get to the net.
@@hehehehehahahaha2025 Yes! People should not underestimate the power of movement. Even today, most male players hit kick serves around 90mph -- sometimes even as first serve on the Ad side for right handed players. I can hit a pretty mean one -- not as good as Edberg, obviously -- and regularly get bounces around 5-6 feet at the baseline. The number of bad returns I get off that is pretty big. Even players who are better than me in my doubles league struggle with it.
No wonder Pat Rafter later said that, had he known earlier, he would have kicked on first serves more often. Movement on the ball really kills a returner's ability to be aggressive all the way up to the top of the game.
This match sums up the reasons why the 90's were a great era of tennis: It had the greatest serve & volleyers and the greatest counterpunchers. We don't see that battle of the tactics anymore.
I couldn't agree with you more. I played college tennis in the 90's in Southern California and also had the opportunity to attend Indian Wells every year. It was the best decade for tennis. SO much variety, I loved it.
@Berk Arslan There is no discredit. There was just a much bigger variety of game back in the 90's. Not every player camped out on the baseline, especially at Wimbledon. I miss that serve and volley game so much.
greatest serve and volley yes. greatest counters? I dont know about that one.
The question is, whether one of these guys, in the shape and state of game they had here, would be really competitive today. And whether the big players of 2000 til 2020 would have a chance without their modern rackets and strings. i dare say, that the level today is higher.
Nadal VS Federer??? Have you watched tennis in the last 10 years??? F@#k
this match is so intense and I love Stefan keeps really calm with crazy footwork and tatic. Just like federer
Edberg is - like Agassi - such a legend. No one else except maybe Federer has so much style and destructiveness in his volleys! Thank you for uploading this!
Have to disagree re Fed's volleying. Imo, and I go back to remembering the great Aussie and American volleyers, Fed was a terrible volleyer. Fred Stolle said that considering Fed was the no. 1 player in the world at the time, he had never seen a no. 1 player with such weak volleys. He may have improved since then, esp with Edberg for a coach, but he does not compare with natural volleyers, imo.
@@michelez715 Agreed!
The last 20 years(2002-2022) have been bereft of at least one serve and volley player of the calibre of an Edberg,Becker,McEnroe or Sampras) .
Unless rackets and strings, surfaces, change, we will never see the contrasting styles of Edberg and Agassi again. Pity.
Andre Agassi have 8 major titles and Stephan Edberg have 9 major titles in singles and doubles together actually
Andre Agassi won 1 atp finals title and Stephan Edberg have 3 atp finals titles(Singles+Doubles) actually bro
In 1990 Andre had not even figured it out yet ! Wish there was some serve and colliers today ! Edbergs backhand volley was amazing
Edberg's serve and volley, net play and drop shots. Beautiful.
Edberg is the best volley player of all time. What an elegant style
Agreed
McEnroe.
@@KingCast65 yes
@@ml_gamer8344 Like the way he would contort his body to make sure the racket face was where it needed to be is just flat out ridiculous. Even here.... ua-cam.com/video/oM-GPHFF4FI/v-deo.html
@@KingCast65 no. McEnroe made so many mistakes at easy points. And Edberg was faster and just better
Edberg my favorite player 😍Forever .
Agassi the greatest returner
Those times were great times. What a clash of styles. Great match!
It was incredibly difficult for Edberg to reach the net following his kick serve with Agassi returning well inside baseline: it was the main reason for the end of marvellous serve and volley style of play. See how many times Edberg is forced to stay at baseline after 2nd and also 1st serve, it's quite atypical for his aggressive style of play.
That 1990 was a big turning point: Agassi and Edberg faced also in Lipton Key Biscayne final a week later (won Agassi in 4 sets) and twice at the Maters (ATP finals) in Frankfurt (1 win for each player but Agassi won the final in 4 sets). It was a very even battle, but in the years to come the odds were all against Edberg and his serve and volley. Amazing how Edberg succeeded to win two US Open in 1991 and 1992, when his game was already packaged to be put in the history of this sport. He succeeded because...1) he didn't meet Agassi; 2) he played "in paradise" in 1991 and 3) he was a true survivor in 1992, where he risked to go out every time from 4th round to the SF. In final he was lucky with a very bad version of Pete Sampras, a player that always suffered Edberg, anyway.
Sampras successfully played SV during the whole 90s. Agassi was a monster at service return -- I think he probably would have had the balls of returning guys like Karlovic or Roanic sitting on the baseline and would have made it work.
One of the things that killed SV is some courts slowed down. Faster surfaces (grass and indoor carpet) are also not a big part of the ATP tour, so there isn't a huge space for aggressive players to earn, say, a top 20 spot. Another thing is that head sizes went up. Most of your game as a SV is forcing a bad contact on the return so that you get some cheaper volleys to make. That's how Edberg did it -- he almost never flattened the ball because movement really kills. Well, 100 si is wildly more forgivable than 85 si. If the ATP said we're shrinking max head size down to 85, we might see a change in tactic.
Another possibilities is that culture may be playing a role. We don't have a clean experiment in front of our eyes and some of the no one plays SV anymore may be that players' don't have the volleys and instinct to do it anymore. If no one teaches it, practices it at lower levels, etc. you're having a very small pool of talent from which to draw the one guy who could do it if it was possible. Sampras did speak to this in the 2010s and he said he believed his game would have had a chance to make him competitive even today. Maybe.
But, besides pros, that game is definitely viable for amateurs. If you can hit a decent kick serve reliably, you'll get less than ideal returns floating and you can kill that. Amateurs aren't professionals and it's WAY easier to hit your good serve with plenty of top spin than it is to return it when you don't practice enough.
An era of contrasting and beautiful Tennis
Edberg was the best hard court player from 1990 to 1992.
I dont know every statistic. But in this time Boris Becker was my favorite in these years. He won 3 times against Edberg by 3 games...but Edberg was also one of my favorit players ;)
Yes two U.S Open titles!!
Incredible match. Agassi on the rise here and you can tell how good he's going to get. Edberg's serve wasn't the hardest by far, and his forehand was suspect. But the man was a force of nature at the net. When he got there it was generally over.
Edberg's serve had good pace and tremendous kick. I saw him live at the Hamlet Cup on Long Island.
@@billcook5132 Yes, great kick on that.
generally
Many of the great serve and volley players didn't aim for massive flat first serves - many played with a lot of spin on the serve. The idea being that a slightly slower serve would give them time to follow it in to the net, and the spin would force a weak return that would leave an easy volley. In Edberg's case (and Pat Rafter's), it was the kick on their serves that was hard to deal with and slowed the ball down just enough to allow them to get in behind it. In the case of players like Navratilova and McEnroe, it was the lefty slice serve out wide.
@@zeddeka Yes. If Edberg had a harder first serve, he would've been a step short on his way to the net. The one he used was quite apt for his game.
Epic match. I love it. Back before strings and rackets newer techniques allowed for so much pace that you could actually have contrasting styles of play. I love 'em both but glad Edberg won LOL.
Christopher King Strings and Rackets arent better today. Its called marketing. Fitness is better and Balls/Courts are slower today.
Sebastian Hirschberg Raquets are way more powerfull because of materials, strings and head size. Do you even play tennis?
@@muccisebastian9300 yes, i play and you know that pro players still play rackets from 1995? for instance murray plays a racket from 1995 and dont forget, that agassi there played oversize already, so thats not an argument. and djokovic is playing a racket from 1999...so get ur facts real first ;)
Sebastian Hirschberg Djokovic uses the head graphene 360, and even if you were right those are two monster players, they could play with a frying pan if they wanted to.
@@muccisebastian9300 He isnt using the Graphene, no top pro is using what he is advertising. Djokovic is using a realy old mold from ti radical mp. Again: what changed are the balls and the courts. And of course the fitneslevels of the players.
Borg the superstar inspired thousands of Swedish children to take up tennis instead of ice hockey, soccer or skiing.
As a result of this we saw greats like Wilander,Edberg,Järryd, Sundström,Nyström, Carlsson etc succed at the tennis tour and Edberg & Wilander was my favorite players.
From 1974 to 1992, Swedish men won 24 of the 76 Grand Slam events, just one fewer than the 25 won by American men in that stretch. A Swedish man won at least one major title in all but two of those years, and Sweden won the Davis Cup four times. In 1988, Swedes swept all four majors, with Edberg winning Wimbledon and Wilander claiming the other three. Apart from the Australian Rod Laver’s victories in all four majors in 1969, the Swedish sweep in 1988 stands as the only time in the Open era in which one country ran the table.
Lovely tennis! Much more interesting and versatile than nowadays 30-shots baseline rallies only.
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Never really noticed till this video, but it seems Edberg was one of the few to really open up on his backhand. Very reminiscent of Wawrinka and Thiem’s backhand in the way he finishes with his chest open. I can see why he said he’d still prefer his backhand to Federer when he was coaching him.
Edberg backhand was stronger than his forehand as per me. What do you say sir?
Rajesh V as per me? Huh?
@@JiraiyaSama86
Dear shockwave. Just interested to know your opinion on edberg forehand vs back hand. His game had a priceless beauty which is missing in current era of raw power and over sized rackets
Rajesh V I definitely prefer his backhand over his forehand. As for his game, at this point, I feel it’s a bit wrong to compare eras. Each era should have its own place and be appreciated for what it is. Despite the prevalence of power hitters and baseliners, there are actually different varieties of power hitters. You have some who mix it up with some flair. You have some who hit incredibly well on the run. Topspin vs flat hitters. You even have some notable players that aren’t predominantly hard hitters like Simon, Medvedev. Even now, you have a younger generation with a few that’s trying to add something to the mix. Overall, you just have to find a way to appreciate each Era.
If I want some more classic matches with serve volley and other specialists, I’ll look more to McEnroe and Edberg Era. If I want more gladiatorial matches, I look to the modern Era.
@@JiraiyaSama86
Thank you very much for your wonderful summary of old and current era. I still love tennis and there is a different kind of beauty in modern tennis. My mind is still clinging to old school serve and volley as I started watching tennis from that point. It was nice interacting with you. Wish you an enjoyable time!
Edberg at the net = trouble for the player across the net （no matter who you are)
Incredible match by Edberg!
Great match and nice rallys from both Edberg and Agassi.
What a great match!! Edberg and Agassi proving a perfect foil for each other. Stefan was world no.1 at that time, on merit. Agassi would eventually take their head-to-head 6-3.
Edberg's peak years were from 1985-1992.
Agassi was a force as early as 88' with only Wilander and Lendl stopping him at Roland Garros and Flushing Meadow respectively.
But in that period of 85 to 92 , Edberg had a 3-3 H-H against Andre'.
Amazingly, Edberg and Agassi did not play their first official match until 1989 despite both being on the tour as early as 1983/84 for Stefan and 1985/86 for Andre'.
To be fair they did play 3 exibition matches in 1988-89 with Agassi winning all 3.
One of these exibitions has surfaced on youtube:
ua-cam.com/video/1HdFV6dBlIM/v-deo.html
But ways more variety back then.....out and out serve and volley against a slugger.....that's what modern tennis misses now.
Now it's baseline all the way.......or serve and baseline.....until you can come in for a winning volley.
Playing at their peak, Becker,Edberg,McEnroe and Sampras would have taken chunks out of the "big 3"'s 60 slams.
Great match. Both are top level player and fantastic sportsmen.
I miss those times when tennis was more tactic than power...
Just a great match from start to finish. Agassi didn't yet have as big a serve as he would but the hustle was there. Beautifully played by Edberg.
edbergs half volleys, beautiful
Wow 🤩
Edberg was such a beautiful player .
fantastic stephan edberg!!!!!
Andre and Pete were without a doubt the link between old tennis and new tennis. They came from classic slow paced strokes and they quickly adapted and improved their game by hitting faster and heavier balls. One from the net, the other one from the base line. Edberg was close to that modern improved tennis but he was the last of his era and he didn't finish making the jump. A genius playing over the net, ultimately overpassed by his younger pals.
Agassi yes, brought new game style and evolved it wonderfully. Sampras no, Becker did that 6-7 years before Sampras. Others were there, Ivanišević, Krajicek etc. Pete just did it quite a bit better and more consistently that the rest of the generation, but his type of game was already well developed before he arrived to the scene.
yes edberg is really a touch player. this is an unusual hard court match in that era; the court is slow and the balls are heavy, which means you get to see him rally from the back with agassi. most of the time when hes at the back, lots of topspin off the forehand (perhaps the worst forehand for a world no.1) trying to outmanoeuvre agassi/zero in on an approach shot
@@userdjee834 I wasn't talking about this type of game. I was talking about the game that came immediately after this. Where Courier and Becker were already slow. Andre kept accelerating and also Sampras with that serve and that improved all around the court game.
@@martingimenez339 Me neither, I was talking about Sampras' game. And Becker's, and Ivanišević's, and Krajicek's. That type of game arrived when Becker won Wimbledon in '85 and defended the title in '86. Important detail were then newer generation graphite racquets that made it all possible. Pete Sampras was truly great at it, the best clearly, but he didn't invent it. Bum-Bum Becker was the first there, and he also followed and learned from those before him, of course.
@ppm120667 Well said. I'm always telling those who say today's tennis is better, faster, more athletic etc (it's usually Fed/Nadal/Djokovic fanboys who have seen little, if any, tennis before this era) to watch the whole of that magnificent ATP Masters Final in Hanover between Boris Becker and Pete Sampras in 1996. It is simply one of the great matches, played at unrelenting pace and with magnificent skill.It is as good as anything we see today, 25 years later.(They don't watch it of course because they have closed minds and fixed opinions.)
At his best, it felt like Edberg was playing shots with a blindfold on. Look how connected the racquet is
That kit Agassi's wearing is easily the best tennis kit ever. Love the Nike Air Tech Challenge IIs from this kit.
Exactly, People are selling that nice one in ebay for 1000 Dollars, lol
What kit are you referring? The one he wore on the head?
John Liang kit = outfit
@@McGradey So the wig is not considered as part of that outfit...
John Liang I can’t believe you’ve done this
Edberg is a great volleyer!
1:38. What a pickup!!
Stefan Edberg is my all time favourite..
This was the era that classic tennis was turning to modern strong gland stroke style.So there were various playing style and shots. It was very fun to watch.
My favorite Edberg. His serve n volley and brilliant backhand remains etched in my memory.
15:22 Sneak attack by Stefan, hehe.
the SABS! he does it 2 or 3 times here...
@@DanielBoonelight Also in the second match point 🤣
Good match. Stefan never stopped attacking. Positioned his serve amazing volleys.
For the beginners, or casual tennis fans, Stefan Edbergs volleys and half volleys may look ordinary or unremarkable, but if you've played this game for quite some time, they are just as awesome as a Federer inside-out forehand
Id rather watch this match than a Djokovic Nadal "hit til you bleed" contest.
Indeed... the rallies are still a bit harder than during the Borg era tough
What I really liked and wish back from this era: no excessive grunting and they did not need a towel after every point... but had to fix the strings after every point... i can live with that .)
Edberg to me is by far the best volleyer ever. Amazing coverage of the net from right to left, plus the capacity to stretch backwards to smash on a lob. Amazing talent and athleticism (is that the word in English?)
Missing an option in youtube to change the picture format to 4:3, since this is obviously the proper aspect ratio of this video. It's close but still slightly stretched.. ^_^
Stefan magistral!!! un gran idolo de los 90s
Agassi foot speed in this game is spectacular
Edberg had one of the most beautiful 1HBHs ever. That forehand, though.........
These courts are so fast
What a tennis. Brilliant.
Very clever play by Agassi at times, pushing Edberg back and away from the net with those moonballs.
Thank you finally extended highlights. Can you please always upload extended, not short
The players today are bigger and hit, serve, harder...but tennis in the 80s and 90s was far more interesting. Nothing now like
Edberg vs Agassi. Serve n Volley/Back-courter.
Here you can see how tennis evolves and the obvious inspiration Edberg has had on Federer especially on the backhand. But the technique of Edbergs volley can only be compared to Dustin Brown and perhaps Federer. I get nervous every time Edberg hits a forehand but that backhand wow.
Dustin Brown is a very good volleyer but Edberg is a legend of this game, serve and volley GOAT, chip and charge GOAT, backhand GOAT, backhand volley GOAT... #1 in both single and double... so Stefan cannot be compared to a very good player who reached his best ranking at #64...
I see Federer's game watching Edberg
Stephen had the most popular shirts...
Agassi's hyper mullet must've slowed him down.
Billowing in the desert wind
Heresy. The rear-projecting mullet probably helps encourage laminar flow.
It was a hairpiece. He talked about it in his autobiography.
Herpes? No wonder his game was erratic.
The good old days.
Even the courts looks better back then.
Alexander Kings lol no
never
I NEVER SAW EDBERG LOSING TEMPER . WHAT GENTILE MAN . ACTUALLY IAM FAN OF BOTH THESE PLAYERS .
Edberg really was the best volley player in history. It's amazing he won as much as he did considering his serve wasn't that good and neither was his FH or BH. Just an absolute master tactician. Incredible.
I would agree on his FH, that was a horrendous looking stroke. However with respect, I disagree on his BH. That was a shot of beauty. His serve during the early years wasn't a Becker or a Sampras booming weapon, but it had a wicked kick which allowed Edberg to move in for his Volleys. During the later stages of his career, his serve wasn't as effective as he lost speed coming in . The advancement of racket and string tech didn't help Edberg's game too.
@@renatoyap yes you make some good points. edberg didn't have the firepower of a becker, even though he had a pretty bh, he was really a touch player. which is why he didn't do well against the likes of courier.
No wonder Edberg being the idol of Federer..both playing in similar style..both use same slicing technique to return the serve..😙
@@Robin-ju3wc yes though sampras also returned serve that way. I would say federer's style is more similar to sampras; federer, unliked edberg, is not hampered by a lack of firepower
As the great competitor with Lendl against my idol Boris Becker, Edberg was fantastic to watch....his volley is probably the best.
Look at YToube to Edberg-Becker semis of RG...what a match it was...we don't have it anymore.
Agassi playing with Donnay Pro One
He wrote in his book that he just had his oversize prince racquets painted to look like the Donnays that were being sold
Still say that fellow Andre Agassi had the greatest return of Serve of all time - on an equal par with Novak Djokovic!
Agreed.It was even better than Djokovic's.It would often come back like a rocket.
Djokovic might have a higher percentage at returning serves but Agassi's was more spectacular. He hit countless winners on return of serve.
Agassi had great eye-hand coordination, and had the ability to pick the ball up easier than anyone. He moved into the return and drove it back hard, sometimes harder than the serve itself.
Andre Agassi won 55.78% of second serve return points (second in the all-time standings after Berasategui). He has also won 31.69% of the return games he played.
Court speed was quicker back then (although in the latter years the difference was much less) and the servers he faced - Sampras, Becker, Krajicek,Stich,Edberg, Ivanisevic, McEnroe and Federer.
IMO, Agassi id the greatest returner of all time. Djoko is nearly as great, has better reach, and hits better when reaching. So, overall, it's very close. But, for any ball that Agassi can get good stick on, he's the best.
Thanks for the upload and trip down memory lane. Had to laugh at Agassi employing the same dependable tactics as your 4.0 weekend hack - hit moonballs to your opponents backhand.
Much like watching old men slice every shot and then they are rated 5.0.
i started to love tennis cause of colored shirts of Agassi ) its incredible how slower was the game, after 2000 as soon as the balls bounces a bit higher the point is over
I believe there was some drama over Agassi wearing something other than traditional white. Maybe a problem with Wimbledon not allowing it.
the game seems strangely slow -- were the courts that much slower?
Hard courts have gradually been speeded up every year. Some hard courts like Cincinnati are about the same speed as grass now. Back then grass was very fast, hards were average and clay was extremely slow. Grass has been slowed down a bit now by cutting the grass much shorter, hards have been speeded up, clay has also been speeded up a bit more, in RG sometimes it plays like a hard court with less watering and less loose clay on top of the solid layer. All courts have less disparity of speeds now.
No, they weren't slower. These days Indian Wells and Miami are pretty much the slowest hard courts on tour. Canada, Cincinnati and the US Open have never been slower than they were in 2018. Also many indoor tournaments are medium speed these days. In the 90's indoors were very fast carpet courts. Also the US hard court swing was faster back then. Many players like Courier, Muster, Murray, Federer, Hewitt have also said the same thing.
Courts weren't slower, but racquets were much flexier, less stable than today, and heavier. Strings were softer as well, because that goes into that kind of frame, natural gut. Wonderful video. Edberg was my fave when I was a kid..
@@georgedadon Take a look at the mecir v noah final in the same event, 1989. or lipton 1987. It seems a lot slower here for seem reason and the balls seems really heavy this tournament. perhaps it rained a lot before the final here in 1990.
Times have changed. Edberg was my idol and I thought he was so good ( he was of course) but if you look at his backhand and compare it to Wawrinka's it is day and night. Had he played now, he would have adapted of course but I didn't think it was so much slower.
Edberg best volleyer I’ve ever seen. McEnroe also great volleyer but his was the combination of that crazy serve he had
When tennis had variety
Half the comments are these guys would get killed today the other half are Oh I miss the good old days when there was real tennis. Seems no one can just appreciate tennis from multiple areas. Or at least respect it even if you don't like it
Thank you for that comment. I find myself irritated by so many statements that don't seem to truly understand the game of tennis. Seems also, no one remembers Agassi made a fine showing in the final of the 2005 U.S. Open against Federer, and did well until the 4th set when Federer magic took over. One of the things I enjoyed while watching this video, was remembering just how differently Agassi played in those days. His game continually evolved, and within a few years, he wasn't playing anything like what we see in this match against Edberg. As for Edberg, while his volleying was always a wonder to behold, I don't think he was able to change/evolve his game in order to stay around a few more years. I miss watching both of them.
That high-spin-moonball-to-opponents-backhand-side tactic worked very well.
WHAT A GREAT CHAMPIONS BOTH ONLY ONE POINT DIFFERENCE .. IT COULD GO EITHER WAY BUT SOMETIMES KEEPING COOL HEAD WINS .
Wouldn’t it be great to see more top acroon from the 90’s?!? Thanks
These 90s guys played like every point counted and were suprisingly light given the weight of the hair
That sound of hard Court. I could go to sleep it
Legendary
Edberg y Federer los más grandes.
Pathetic how slow the courts are now
Why is it pathetic? It’s just different. Some prefer faster. Some prefer slower. Personally I like slower. You have to earn your points. Nothing comes free.
sublime edberg!!! 💙💙💙
Agassi, the first hard hitter in tennis! He revolutionized the game. Edberg in those days was a highly stilistic gifted player. Just compare his serve to nowadays players. In this video one can see how tennis has changed in terms of playing style and speed.
No, the first hard hitter in tennis was not Agassi, Agassi was the guy who took the ball early and hit on the rise with a compact swing from both side yet generate tremendous pace and depth. Lendl was the real pioneer of the modern baseline game, he took the fitness training into a much professional level that other players of his generation and later generation followed. Lendl's mechanical looking game, lack of on court charisma and his eastern European origin was a complete contrast to his main rivals like McEnroe and Connors, while we appreciate the genius of McEnroe and fighting spirit of Connors we overlooked what Lendl bought into the development of the physical aspect of the game.
@@jliang70 they were both pioneers. They used the wrist lag forehand which gave them more pace and spin on the ball.
All of those guys were hitting with the maximum speed and spin their equipment allowed. Connors hit the ball hard, as did Borg and Lendl hit it harder than them. Even harder than Agassi. These guys today are using crazy strings, light racquets and 100sq in frames. Totally different equipment
@@chuckfriebe843 Just on the fitness aspect, isn't it a myth to say that Lendl pioneered super-fitness in tennis?Borg was doing it years before Lendl got there. Borg remains one of the quickest men I've seen and he had great stamina.
Lendl and Becker probably hit harder than Agassi
@6:38 😭🤣🤣
one of the times Stefan beat Agassi, Agassi has a career edge winning 6 losing 3; great throwback match
Wow. What a match Man!!!👍👍👍👏👏👏
I considered serve and volleyers arrogant back then, and I was just a kid.
The demise of the serve and volley strategy, and net rushing in general, vindicates my feelings from that time.
THAT WAS A FANTASTIC BLOCK FROM EDBERG . NOW A DAYS SOME PLAYERS CRYING WHEN THE OTHER PLAYERS GO FOR BODY SHOT . EDBERG REFLEXES ARE SO GOOD HE WOULD NOT COMPLAINT. HE IS A PANTHER AT NET
That forehand lag from Edberg is killing me!
I play the same way. Coaches keep correcting me to go into the ball with my hand stretching back. But I like my way of playing.
It's his grip. He holds it toward the backhand grip, like Richard Gasquet.
@@dealerovski82 Is your backhand better than your forehand? I bet it is.
@@ajwasp3642 yupp :)
geil. das war noch tennis
3:33 long haired agassi tries hitting ball right at Edberg only to get volleyed over his head ends up chasing ball and losing point😂
So what?
Unos Maps Edberg made agassi look as goofy as the long hair he was stylin’ back then.😂
Sublime at the net!!
Yes but the point at 3:52 was the sign of times to come, giving a clue as to why Serve and Volley has generally died out in tennis.
Serve and volley has died out because of many reasons but certainly not because there are better baseliners. Serve and volley died as surfaces were slowed down, balls fluffier and slower, not enough grass courts, coaches teaching long back swing to the kids thus developing a general antipathy for the style!! But be assured that it will again be back before long!! I still relish the thought of blistering Nassau balls on a fast grass court!! Best wishes to all co-commentators here!!
Agassi essentially had 2 careers. In the first he was a colorful clown with a great forehand. In the second he was a machine, the fittest player on tour with an assassins killer instinct. It was then that he became a legend.
was that the days of the wig?
geez it's a slow game back then hey... and the moon balls!!! so many!!!
at least...the thing that stands the test of time today is the volley technique. at least that is good!
Well, tennis racquets were very inferior back then, so it's understandable that the game is much slower. Volleyers back then though were like 10 times better than today's.
Those moonballs was a tactic of Agassi to keep Edberg behind the baseline and punish his one handed BH.Agassi had some endurance issues during his early career running out of gass after heavy ball pounding.
WOW forgot how great they were
First time seeing Agassi rage 15:43
che giocatore Stefan,che signore.
dopo Connors,il mio preferito.
Toupee was in full effect
This version of Agassi HAD to have been the inspiration for Billy from Stranger Things
Amazing how much the game has changed besides racquet tech. Today most top 20 players would have round around backhand and hit inside out. Agassi adapted to this tactic.
it was agassi who actually started that style and the upcoming players copied him