What Happens in the Midnight Hunt Side Stories?

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  • Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
  • The planeswalker Arlinn Kord certainly had her hands full defending the Celestus during the events of Innistrad: Midnight Hunt, but that wasn't the only thing happening on the plane.
    The set also gave us five side stories that cover characters like Liesa, Forgotten Archangel, Vadrik, Astral Archmage, and even creepy Old Stickfingers.
    What was your favorite legendary creature doing while Kaya, Chandra, and Teferi tried to help Arlinn stop the eternal night from falling? Find out right here!
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  • @DejMills
    @DejMills 2 роки тому +166

    First of all I love your content and respect your opinions. I respectfully disagree about your point about the crone. I don’t think that non-cis gender identities need a story explanation every time. We don’t complain about pandering when a straight cis person is included in the story and certainly don’t ask for a good reason for it to be included.
    I think a big problem stems from the idea that there is a “default” type of person.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +164

      My criticism of this particular short story was that it took the time to tell us a given character was trans, but did so in a very inorganic way. While representation is great and we certainly need more of it, if you want it to be break away from the idea of a "default" type person, I'm not sure dedicating a paragraph singling someone out ONLY for being trans is the best way to do it. Magic has had some great stories featuring trans characters, and I even pointed out how well this story handled Vadrik being gay - but I still think they presented the trans character's history in a really unflattering way.
      So just to be clear, I'm not saying the inclusion of a trans character was a problem. How they chose to reveal her being trans (clunky exposition) and then what they did with that information (absolutely nothing) are the things that could have been improved upon.

    • @DejMills
      @DejMills 2 роки тому +93

      @@MagicArcanum I appreciate the reply and clarification, I haven’t read the story so I didn’t have the context of the paragraph. I agree, singling a character out just for the sake to say “hey look!” is poor inclusive writing.
      Trans inclusion can be very challenging to write, especially for folks who aren’t trans. Hopefully in time these stories can evolve and learn how to do it better.
      Thanks for taking the time to answer my concern, you’re top notch Ryan.

    • @alexallen2431
      @alexallen2431 2 роки тому +74

      @@DejMills This has got to be the most civil exchange of ideas/beliefs on the internet. I'm here for it.

    • @elibecker1992
      @elibecker1992 2 роки тому +12

      I am only aware of the mardu leader(?), The smiles at death person. (Who had a AMAZING story).
      What other trans MTG characters are there?

    • @DejMills
      @DejMills 2 роки тому +10

      @@elibecker1992 I don’t remember any off the top of my head but Spice8Rack has a great video about it

  • @hunterking43
    @hunterking43 2 роки тому +81

    "The angel says, 'I was dead.'" God I love deadpan answers like that.

  • @timothylemasters9282
    @timothylemasters9282 2 роки тому +64

    Leisa wearing the skin of the demon she is bound to is brutally metal and I love it.

  • @infernotitan1158
    @infernotitan1158 2 роки тому +91

    Whoa. Leisa getting literal Demonskin Armor seems super cool. Huge fan of that

  • @judgegemini8900
    @judgegemini8900 2 роки тому +23

    Stickfinger is such an interesting character, really enjoy his more ancient-feeling and old invincible horror type of lore behind him

    • @Cali4niaAesthetic
      @Cali4niaAesthetic 2 роки тому +3

      He reminds me of the "pagan nature deities" in horror movies who have alot of potential for background and purposes, especially with being summoned to simply guard a farm. I like how it shows the depth of creatures like this; they can destroy villages and eradicate generations, or just be an animated scarecrow that looks badass.

  • @adrianpadalhin854
    @adrianpadalhin854 2 роки тому +146

    I haven't really read any of the stories since the travesty of War of the Spark, so I really appreciate your videos. They give people like me a way to get in touch with the lore without having to invest too much of our time reading them.

    • @reillocb
      @reillocb 2 роки тому +13

      Same, war of the spark really took the wind out of my sails. Killing the excellent vraska we got in ixilan still hurts, let alone decidedly male gate lol

    • @KoonsieN7
      @KoonsieN7 2 роки тому +4

      @@reillocb For me is not capping off the obvious Chandra × Nissa ship in favor for something more hetero with Chandra x Gideon.

    • @benpearson49
      @benpearson49 2 роки тому

      Same. I had some tentative hopes leading up to War of the Spark. These hopes were then stomped on.
      I started playing around 7th edition. Even when I'm not actively involved, I usually take an interest.
      Magic has never been the greatest thing in fantasy literature, but the storyline used to at least be interesting. These days, we're lucky if the story's just coherent.

    • @Mordra
      @Mordra Рік тому

      It happened to me as well, it made me quit MtG alltogether ahaha

  • @diogenesthemimic6676
    @diogenesthemimic6676 2 роки тому +19

    I always loved the side stories. Things like "the larger narrative " can get old very fast with the same cast of characters. These stories help fill out the picture and make the multiverse feel more like a multiverse, instead of a marvel movie.

  • @MagnaMagum
    @MagnaMagum 2 роки тому +15

    I can only imagine how cool it would be for Wrenn to help Teferi bring back Zhalfir in Dominaria United. It would be a huge emotional moment for Teferi and could really help create a true "United" feel.

    • @dragonfire72
      @dragonfire72 Рік тому +1

      Well hey you weren't wrong about the plot, just what set

  • @itaiayalon3385
    @itaiayalon3385 2 роки тому +43

    I sometimes find the side stories as interesting as the main story, sometimes even more, love the idea, great video!

  • @nik700
    @nik700 2 роки тому +6

    16:13
    I already mourned for Gisela once, don't give me hope!

  • @raniertartarus1636
    @raniertartarus1636 2 роки тому +17

    The side characters of a story, especially in this set, are more about character development and and can be the MVPs of the set. And I like those things ❤️❤️

  • @KnicKnac
    @KnicKnac 2 роки тому +2

    Time is a weird soup.
    The Old Stick Fingers take would be a fun Halloween D&D session of investigating mysterious murders and fighting a animated scarecrow.

  • @Dennis-gt4mt
    @Dennis-gt4mt 2 роки тому +7

    I really hope Liesa will have an impact in the Next set. She is such a great Character.
    Nice video once again. Love to watch them every time.

  • @Jaebird88
    @Jaebird88 2 роки тому +3

    My only takeaway from the Stickfingers story is how much it makes me think of Pumpkinhead. That aside, Teferi taking in a new way to view magic will definitely play a role in restoring Zhalfir. I mean, why even call it "Dominaria United" if that wasn't the case?

  • @ShawnSansonetti
    @ShawnSansonetti 2 роки тому +3

    I always had the idea the sides stories were there to take your mind off how... "subpar" the main story was. That being said, I thought this was the best group of sides i could remember. Wrenn was a really deep adventure that really brought depth to an unexplored character as well as Teferi (there's stuff he doesn't know?). The Wilhelt was amazing; I loved the continued saga of Gisa & Geralf though letters. Their interactions are as enjoyable as Arcanum content!

  • @Pyraxian1
    @Pyraxian1 2 роки тому +6

    Thanks for covering these! Was hoping Liesa's return would be a bit more.... interesting? But only because she's a personal favorite.

  • @tylerfoster2814
    @tylerfoster2814 2 роки тому +8

    I definitely prefer the side stories, as they're not bound by the larger narrative.
    I thought the empty bed in the house at the end of the Vadrik one was an interesting loose thread. I also believe that perhaps the meeting of Liesa and Sigarda may play a role in the next set. It would be interesting if they fuse like their sisters did under Emrakul's presence.

    • @rafaelsousa2633
      @rafaelsousa2633 2 роки тому +1

      I think they imply that the father of the girl was Old Stickfingers. Or he became it or possessed by it. The story ends with the rhyme "Old Stick Buddy \ In the muddy \ Dragged them in \ Wears their skin"

  • @adamdenzinger576
    @adamdenzinger576 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you for making my drive to work enjoyable

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +3

      EYES ON THE ROAD!

    • @adamdenzinger576
      @adamdenzinger576 2 роки тому

      Lol audio only

    • @FutureOverYou
      @FutureOverYou 2 роки тому

      @@MagicArcanum b...bu...but your magnificent mustache! It must be viewed and revered. 😜

  • @MTGJosh
    @MTGJosh 2 роки тому +2

    I actually love when we hear your interpretation of the prose and content, interesting stuff!
    Also I genuinely feel like your channel is the absolute best when it comes to lore explanation, and story summaries. I have said it before on your previous videos but your voice truly makes for great listening and it is so important to not be put off by your cadence. Great video as usual!

  • @ryanadams0922
    @ryanadams0922 2 роки тому +1

    I say this before I will say it again. You have no idea how much I am grateful that you are the the cliffnotes of the Magic lore universe and it helps me greatly and I thank you.

  • @rodrimaux1128
    @rodrimaux1128 2 роки тому +6

    I love Gisa and Geralf stories, its like watching children play but with epic toys. Btw how would you rate these stories?

  • @gothic22d
    @gothic22d 2 роки тому

    Thanks for bringing us all these great stories.

  • @jaceyang3375
    @jaceyang3375 2 роки тому +4

    gj this is the go-to channel for magic lore content!

  • @yukaritomo6330
    @yukaritomo6330 2 роки тому +5

    I think Gisa abandoning Threbon(?) and taking her zombie army with her might have some story impact as surly some other faction will try to claim or re-claim the city with her gone.

  • @JCetto.2612
    @JCetto.2612 2 роки тому

    Time Is relative...
    Watching this video (that is 11 minutes or so) feels like an instant...
    Waiting for the next video is maybe a week but it feels like an eternity...
    Time is relative...
    Loved this video Ryan and Nicole! Thank you!!

  • @GozMaster
    @GozMaster 2 роки тому +1

    great synopses appreciate the Cliffs notes.

  • @obadijahparks
    @obadijahparks 2 роки тому +2

    I liked the side stories the most. I think I ship teferi, and wrenn. Stickfingers felt like a certain frog tale I heard back in the day. These stories were well written in my opinion. The main story can't really be judged until we get part two. Please don't start a ship war. I'm pretty sure teferi is taken, I don't remember that story.

  • @zackwalker2172
    @zackwalker2172 2 роки тому +7

    These side stories seem to be setting things up for Crimson Vow. Imagine Stickfingers and Liessa mowing down hordes of neonate vampires together.

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 2 роки тому

      I think Liesa is more going to get Sorin to stop moping and do something.

  • @willie6278
    @willie6278 2 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430
    @GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430 2 роки тому

    7:00 this short story REALLY reminds me of The Haunted Mask Goosebumps book! One of the very best ones and a fave of mine haha

  • @bigpattyboy36
    @bigpattyboy36 2 роки тому

    Hey - Really enjoyed this summary. Thank you !

  • @wingshad0w00982
    @wingshad0w00982 2 роки тому +3

    The liesa and Gisa stories probably have some bearing on the future plot. I’d imagine Leisa has a bigger part in the story, but who knows at this point.

  • @KnightsofGaming2016
    @KnightsofGaming2016 2 роки тому +1

    Ooh boy, new video!

  • @EffinChat
    @EffinChat 2 роки тому +1

    I've finally got used to the flow Nicole's new surname in the opening... By which I mean I now mouth along with it in the same way that I used to

    • @tazaf
      @tazaf 2 роки тому

      Glad to see I'm not the only one saying the words in my mind each time (much like I did during Star Trek TOS intro) 😅

  • @phinox123
    @phinox123 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for covering these. I read the main story but never got around to the side story for this set but I still really wanted to know what happened.

  • @delasvegas9644
    @delasvegas9644 2 роки тому +3

    The one with Gisa is my favorite

  • @err0rc0degames
    @err0rc0degames 2 роки тому +4

    Wake up babe, new magic arcanum video dropped

  • @RealLofiVibes
    @RealLofiVibes 2 роки тому +1

    It was so cool seeing wrenn in the story. Was not expecting her to be as caring and good natured as she was but it was wholesome and awesome!!! Its always nice to see folklore/tales of other worldy creatures even in worlds with magic planeswalking each plane has there own monsters and ghosts of the planes. The 3rd story was my fav outta the bunch. I love the idea of stickfingers. Like i said its awesome seeing folklore of the planes. Stickfingers is one of my fav creatures in the whole set. So this has been eatting me for awhile and im wondering your take on it. At the end of the story this paragraph is said
    As his mount's hooves struck the cobbles, Vadrik kept thinking about the second bed, made up in the old farmhouse. Thinking how odd it was that the bed was still made. Thinking about the green twinkling he'd seen in the house before they'd met Stickfingers in the grove. How odd it was that Ariosa had survived, unscathed.
    What did they mean by this? Is the bed for stickfingers is ariosa some how a ghost? Iv asked people before and most said they where just putting the old horror Troup of the evil is never gone or something similar.
    I found Gisa's story really kinda cute. The banter between Gisa and wilhelt was funny as heck.
    It was interesting seeing Liesa back and the story was really good too. I like the idea of turning a demon into her armor. As for crimson vow id guess we see her in the story possible with sigarda near the climax of the story

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah I wasn't sure what to make of the extra bed. I took it as 'there are still some mysteries here, but my job is done and I wanna go home!'

    • @rafaelsousa2633
      @rafaelsousa2633 2 роки тому +1

      I think they imply that the father of the girl is Old Stickfingers. He either bacame it or possessed by it. The story ends with the rhyme "Old Stick Buddy \ In the muddy \ Dragged them in \ Wears their skin"

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +1

      I'm not sure how the girl's father could have suddenly become Stickfingers, when there are children's rhymes that seem to go back generations. It is more likely he was killed by the horror and/or skinned, as the last song suggests, but that doesn't explain why she'd keep the bed made, other than to say that she missed him being around.

  • @raulpacheco7488
    @raulpacheco7488 2 роки тому

    You should try. Everything about Vampires. Perfect for October. Reeeeally love all the content. Don't miss a single episode , haha

  • @felipeborban3337
    @felipeborban3337 2 роки тому

    Excellent work as Ever!!
    In my point of view(after reading it, of course) the return of Liesa have more things to do with her been ''Pact bounded'' with the demon than the returning mana stuff and I know I'm dreaming high but the main lore ended with Sigarda fighting Sorin, if Liesa suddenly appeared as last moment hero would be amazing haha!

  • @7Alberto7
    @7Alberto7 2 роки тому

    Yup Teferi and Wren was a great little story,can't wait to see those 2 in Dominaria again
    Thank you for the stories as alwais you make them awesome everytime,i read them but you make them better!
    100% agree on the "FORCED INCLUSION" most of the time it suck

  • @Clauses878
    @Clauses878 2 роки тому +1

    Actually I'm more excited to see the sisters see each other, knowing me we might have another Innastrad expansion coming up. Cause I wanna see her in the armor now.

  • @mathieubakker947
    @mathieubakker947 2 роки тому

    Nice video

  • @Magnivore519
    @Magnivore519 2 роки тому

    "omg where were you"
    "Yeah sorry about that I died."

  • @unclerobbieslug
    @unclerobbieslug 2 роки тому

    i love lore and, the amount of art and work it takes to pass it on. Storytelling is the greatest form of communication, details about fictional characters that make it seem pushed or forced are just unnecessary. I am glad our community is diverse and excepting, we get it. just dont fake it, on with the lore!

  • @dennismarinos2129
    @dennismarinos2129 2 роки тому

    I feel kind of bad not reading the actual stories but dahm i adore those videos

  • @aramessor5709
    @aramessor5709 2 роки тому +20

    as a trans person, i agree the inclusion did feel quite a bit forced, and while i do appreciate the effort by the authors, it would be nice to have inclusion that doesn't need to be thoroughly explained beforehand

  • @Hacibeyrocks
    @Hacibeyrocks 2 роки тому +2

    So Liesa is now an angel who came back from the dead and also wears the dead body of a demon she killed as armor? That is metal as f*ck!

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +2

      Going to be interesting to see if she has any screen time with Sigarda, as they clearly have different approaches to helping the humans.

    • @Merc1987
      @Merc1987 2 роки тому

      @@MagicArcanum hoping it's a Thor arriving in Wakanada situation. All hope is lost then BOOM and a BRING ME OLIVIA!

  • @GoriNapalm
    @GoriNapalm 2 роки тому +1

    Innistrad having eternal night destroys my expectation for a return to Shadowmoor/Lorwyn

  • @blizz2748
    @blizz2748 2 роки тому

    Its because of these videos I am able to create a dnd 5e campaign based on these stories. More of a mega campaign with multiple separate parties working across the realms to deal with the troubles that brew

  • @Merc1987
    @Merc1987 2 роки тому

    I am definitely building a heavy metal themed Liesa commander deck.

  • @TeaRanosaur
    @TeaRanosaur 2 роки тому

    Given how many planeswalkers end up on innistrad, im going to choose to believe that sayings about things like elephants have entered common vernacular due to all these travelers.

  • @MrPooleish
    @MrPooleish 2 роки тому +1

    I always thought Leisa was a double agent. Working with Demons and Devils to undermine them. Guess Avacyn's fratricide makes more sense if Leisa was actually working with them.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +1

      I think Avacyn drew the line at "working with demons" and didn't really care if there was supposed to be a "to undermine them" part coming later.

  • @matchuful
    @matchuful 2 роки тому

    heres a thought is garth one eye the same guy whose been in liliana's head talking to her

  • @ratlyfriend
    @ratlyfriend 2 роки тому +2

    maybe its just my love for innistrad, but I really enjoyed the side stories for this set. They weren’t revolutionary or anything, but they were pretty fun in my book

  • @syntaxerror2409
    @syntaxerror2409 2 роки тому +1

    The side stories are spicy 🔥

  • @loganmott1817
    @loganmott1817 2 роки тому +1

    I was hoping that ludevic would have had a short story, like does he become the hubris side did he finally change himself into an abomination or is that his Magnum opus?

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Yeah it is odd he got left out, isn't it?

  • @asomelord
    @asomelord 2 роки тому +1

    So you're telling me that in the past 15 years of magic nobody went to Zhalfir and said "Just Naturalize it"

  • @schumerus6786
    @schumerus6786 2 роки тому

    The first with Wrenn and Teferi may be important

  • @kakerlake4468
    @kakerlake4468 2 роки тому

    Theses side stories are kinda great, I personally prefer that they don’t impact the main story but if they do, I prefer that it’s a few of them.
    The only thing that I would is that theses story actually explore the world other than just tell events, i would love to see a story about nephalia, the mountains (i think kessig) with maybe the dragons and devils that live there, and i was hoping a side story about these weird light thing in the sky

  • @TheRealSpellstar
    @TheRealSpellstar 2 роки тому

    An angel wearing armor made of the still-living, torn apart body of a demon that she is bound to is the most metal thing I've ever heard

  • @DaDunge
    @DaDunge 2 роки тому

    I think Liesa may be able to rouse Sorin, after all talking to creatures of darkness is what she does. And he clearly mourns Avecyn and she's proof that Avecyn will eventually return.

  • @kionashi
    @kionashi 2 роки тому +9

    I don't mind when characters are incidentally gay or trans, I mean, if we want to normalize LGBTI characters in media, them being LGBTI shouldn't be their defining characteristic, just as Teferi being straight isn't important for his story I don't mind if some girl is an interesting character that just happens to be trans.
    Now, I must say for a horror theme plane, I think it would be cool to have some side stories where there is no happy ending at the end, of course I don't expect Teferi or Wren dying or anything, but the minor characters like the tanner girl or the mask lady should be able to die in their stories. I think that would sell a lot better the treat of the plane

    • @sunlocked5838
      @sunlocked5838 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, I feel like the elder doesnt need to justify her transness in the story the same way that I dont need to justify being gay in my life. Because like, it makes it feel like being straight and cisgendered is the "default."

  • @jacob4920
    @jacob4920 2 роки тому

    I'm glad Liesa is back (I think her name is actually pronounced LEESA, not LYSA. But, you know, "tomatoes/tomahtoes"). I first heard of her in the Magic side-story regarding Avacyn going insane, and converting Gisela and Bruna to her side. Liesa is actually mentioned in that story (not by name, but it's her) while talking with Sigarda, and trying to woo Sigarda to "purge the human filth."
    It makes me wonder if Liesa and Sigarda are going to become the new "Night and Day" protectors of Innistrad, when all this is resolved. With Sigarda protecting humanity during the daylight hours, and Liesa, who seems to thrive in the darkness, protecting the night, and keeping the vampires/werewolves in check. A sort of "Batman/Superman" type of relationship. I like Liesa, and hope to hear more from her. Because she seems like an intriguing "x-factor" on Innistrad. She is an Angel, but definitely comes across as the more "gothic" type of Angelic being. She also seems like the type of Angel that Sorin Markov might be interested in becoming the new protector of his plane, just because of her ability to form peace/relationships with Demonkind.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Liesa had been dead for a long time already before the events of Shadows over Innistrad and Avacyn's corruption so I don't think it was her mentioned in the story.

  • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
    @roguepsykerhaaker4813 2 роки тому +8

    I really want Algli to be a legendary card in crimson vow. Maybe she can buff black cards and therefore Liesa.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +8

      I like the idea but I wouldn't cross my (stick) fingers lol

    • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
      @roguepsykerhaaker4813 2 роки тому

      @@MagicArcanum I'm aware tht it's wishful thinking but I would be so happy if they did it

    • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
      @roguepsykerhaaker4813 2 роки тому

      She did use ancient words and spells to empower the demon who is now the armour of Liesa, so she already has the skills she needs. In theory anyways

  • @hihowdyhellohi5231
    @hihowdyhellohi5231 2 роки тому

    I think Saryth could and should survive because they’re such a cool concept

  • @bryantmoyle1706
    @bryantmoyle1706 2 роки тому +1

    Wait, Teferi messing with enchantments? BANT TEFERI WHEN?

  • @rafaelsousa2633
    @rafaelsousa2633 2 роки тому +1

    What did you think about the ending of the Old Stickfingers story? I think they imply the father of the girl was Stickfingers

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +2

      There was definitely more to the mysteries of that village but I think Vadrik was just glad to have survived and was eager to get home.

  • @alessandroselicati5393
    @alessandroselicati5393 2 роки тому

    It's true that with time creatures made of mana, like demons and angels, will reform, but we've only seen It with demons, and it seeme that Liesa was revived thanks to the pact with the demon lord. So either angels take a VERY long time to reform, or only demons reform, probably due to the black nature of the plane

  • @RazielNightfall
    @RazielNightfall 2 роки тому

    I like the side stories being side stories.

  • @HazelVandice
    @HazelVandice 2 роки тому

    I would be cool if Liesa and Sigarda could have a reunion in Crimson Vow. Although that would probably happen either before or after Sigarda "talked" with Sorin.

  • @tgs9929
    @tgs9929 2 роки тому

    I like these for world building and giving lore to characters but I do wish some of these would relate to the main plot better. I like how they had Niko show back up at the end of Kaldheim and hope we see more of that. Maybe Liesa will get more in the next set.

  • @Wolfirhart
    @Wolfirhart 2 роки тому

    7:35 "And now she's dead..." said no one living on Innistrad ever.

  • @JBXyooj
    @JBXyooj 2 роки тому

    Return of the Flight of Dusk!

  • @alexanderforbes1452
    @alexanderforbes1452 2 роки тому

    Gissa confirms that Innistrad both has elephants, and, even more unlikely in my mind, topiary.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Right?! Who has time to be shaping bushes when there are zombies and vampires and werewolves and spirits and demons all trying to get at you?

  • @Kahadi
    @Kahadi 2 роки тому

    I'm thinking these stories will, for the most part, play a role later in some form. But maybe not the rest of this block
    Teferi and Wrenn will almost certainly return for the Dominaria set's storyline.
    Old Stickfingers... Probably not directly, but might indirectly in the form of showing that there's more horrors and aid for Innistrad than we realize. Perhaps an early hint to other ancient magics and horrors that protect at a cost, like Old Stickfingers itself. Maybe some will be summoned to protect towns against the other monsters, maybe some will be summoned only to betray those they are meant to help. But as for Old Stickfingers itself, I can't see it playing a big role, at least not any time soon.
    As for Saryth, Sinnia, Leinore, Katilda, and the mask... I can see that being more like the Old Stickfingers importance. Once again showing the people of Innistrad desperate for new protectors, turning to old legends and stories for help. The Coiled One that Saryth was trying to summon was, in Saryth's mind, exactly that, a snake-like god she wanted to summon to chase away the darkness, but which Katilda believed would bring disaster instead. Both this and Old Stickfingers seem like warnings and foreshadowings of problems to come. Actually, what happened at the Celestus seems like another instance of that, something intended to help that ended up making things worse, but The Coiled One and Old Stickfingers seem like specific beings that would be summoned as guardians, with more to come over time.
    As for Liesa... She could be another foreshadowing of the same thing, as the demon was summoned as a guardian and she returned as one as well. But I feel she might also foreshadow a much later story, perhaps something to come when we eventually return to Innistrad again years from now. After all, she is a reminder that demons and angels can both come back in Innistrad given enough time, so perhaps foreshadowing an eventual return of all of the angels, maybe a new story with Withengar or angels facing a similar problem to Liesa? Or perhaps Liesa herself being a future problem? I can see this more setting up an eventual plot, if not foreshadowing other events or ideas like before. If this story has any direct connection to this eternal night storyline, it would be foreshadowing an end to the problem, but if that is the case, I can only see it bringing a new issue. Perhaps a return of the demons as the new protectors, keeping the other monsters in line to keep them from wiping out humanity, but not going as far as the angels did. They allow chaos to continue and merely keep the others from wiping out humanity to doom the plane, making humans more like cattle to them. This would bring an end to the current problem, resolving the eternal night, the midnight hunt, and putting an end to the current plans, but lead into an eventual later story with humans dealing with demons as the new threat, perhaps summoning something more powerful, maybe something trapped in the moon?

  • @zexionthefirst6767
    @zexionthefirst6767 2 роки тому +6

    On the note of diversity: Often times, though clearly not always, there will be a subset of people who hold the premise "This instance was bad," and use that to justify the conclusion "Therefore they should not have tried, and shouldn't try in the future."
    In your case, I feel you make it very clear that YOUR conclusion is "Therefore, they need to keep trying, and use the good representation they've already shown us they can do as a minimum baseline."
    That distinction is extremely important. And for what it's worth, I apricate it.

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +5

      Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say and thank you for noticing!

  • @petemagnuson7357
    @petemagnuson7357 2 роки тому +1

    In the teferi story, is there much indication that it happened recently? Or could it be a story from weeks or months before the rest?

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +2

      There is no definitive timeline established. We just have to ask ourselves how far removed from the current storyline WotC can have a side story (and still consider it a side to that main story.) I want to believe that if they are presenting this as a side story to Midnight Hunt, it happens close enough to Midnight Hunt itself that we can expect it to be within a reasonable amount of time. (Weeks maybe, but probably not months, and certainly not a year or more.)

  • @eliomolla8659
    @eliomolla8659 2 роки тому

    I would like your ranking/ recomendations of which stories to read. As they are one shots, I was thinking abount reading them, but WotC quality of writting and narrative is very inconsistent, so I would like to now if there is some must read or some to better avoid

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Tangles is probably the most important (or most likely to connect to later main story events.) The Dance of Undeath is the most "fun" in that it includes the letters back and forth between Gisa and Geralf, and The Dusk Reborn is probably the best written of the five.
      Sister and His Eyes, All of Them could probably both be skipped without feeling guilty about it.

  • @fleru5931
    @fleru5931 2 роки тому

    yess

  • @alessandroselicati5393
    @alessandroselicati5393 2 роки тому

    This is just a thought of mine, but given how the other sisters names are pronounced in Italian, Liesa should be pronounced LEE-EH-SA, like Lisa from Castlevania, with and E (pronounced like the E in grey) in the middle

  • @Circular_Square
    @Circular_Square 2 роки тому

    I was hoping to hear about Ludevic and Olag, hopefully WotC writes something interesting about them.

  • @TMFriedVO
    @TMFriedVO 2 роки тому

    What kind of famer would summon a horror to protect their house?
    Life on Innistrad sure is tough

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Well, a rich person in the village threatened to take the house since the owner was behind on payments. The farmer summoned Stickfingers, hoping to use it to scare off the rich guy, but the rich guy happened to steal the goat the farmer had intended to give to Stickfingers, which is what caused the confusion, and lead to Stickfingers killing the rich guy and several other innocent people.

    • @TMFriedVO
      @TMFriedVO 2 роки тому

      ​@@MagicArcanum Sounds like a typical Supernatural episode but oaky I guess

  • @lostmarble540
    @lostmarble540 2 роки тому

    I feel like there should be some kind of troubleshooting forum for planeswalkers. "so I got this curse that makes me want to murder planeswalkers. oh there's an artifact on Eldraine that could help me, cool I'll go check it out." "Aww man my time freezing spell is donking out on me again. Wait, you can just open up the logger and see what the problem is?"

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +2

      "After failing as the Living Guildpact, Jace opens the Planeswalker Help Desk on Ravnica. These are his stories..."

  • @felipebatista649
    @felipebatista649 2 роки тому

    As someone who actually asked for this video, thank you! Also, it might not have no relevance at all, but Liesa wearing demonskin armor is pretty metal.

  • @raydelmartinez2905
    @raydelmartinez2905 2 роки тому +1

    Liesa is so bad a$$ she is literally wearing a demon she made a deal with as armor, Liliana has competition.

  • @frandynamo2143
    @frandynamo2143 2 роки тому +1

    Love these videos! So interesting to hear about Liesa.. And I had no idea Vadrik was gay. Yay for representation!

  • @lennartvandereijk6126
    @lennartvandereijk6126 2 роки тому

    From what I've gathered about the development of the new Innistrad sets I believe Liesa will have no impact at all on Crimson Vow and, while I have less confidence concerning Vadrik and Rem even moreso, I expect that other characters will be filling the side stories for Crimson Vow. Aside from Katilda( in some form), I believe the other characters from that story will go the way of Old Stickfingers and remain only in their own side story. My thought regarding Tangled are very similar to yours, though I believe Teferi will ask a more acquinted nature mage(, that is also a planeswalker,) that will be the one who helps him for the events of the Dominaria United storyline.

  • @hammanhouse
    @hammanhouse 2 роки тому

    Thinking about what happened to Liesa... Do you think Gisela and Bruna can come back in a non eldrazi form? Gisela is my all time favorite angel in MtG and would love to see her back unbroken

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +1

      Maybe, but even if they can, it will apparently be at least a thousand years before it is possible.

  • @thatoneguy7781
    @thatoneguy7781 2 роки тому

    I still feel cheated out of a proper ending to sub-plot of Chandra trying to figure out her personal feelings for Nissa that got abruptly and terribly ended in war of the spark

  • @Calaburst
    @Calaburst 2 роки тому

    i wonder if the other 2 angels will return as well given enough time

  • @Mrtfarrugia
    @Mrtfarrugia 2 роки тому

    They're going to make a demon skinsuit? Did anyone else start thinking about Silence of the Lambs or just me?

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      When you put it like that, I guess it is a little weird lol

  • @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
    @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 2 роки тому

    Did I miss any stories about Eliose? I think a PI in Innistrad would've made a good story :P

  • @Galbertao
    @Galbertao 2 роки тому

    Does the deamon mask has any of Griselbrand power on it? Because that would be a interest artifact for other deamons, witches and cults fight for. Maybe the key to ressurect him to, so he can demand the soul of Liliana
    And I actual love what they did to Liesa. Like Sorin, she wants a balance to Inistrad, and her metods was quite different and simbolic for an Angel. Hope to see a side history of tea time with her survival sister

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      Good question, because there is a Mask of Griselbrand card in the set, but it seems the one from the side story was themed around snakes more than demons, suggesting it was connected to Saryth somehow and not Griselbrand himself.

  • @mbates2010
    @mbates2010 2 роки тому

    I feel sort of cheated demons is one of my favourite tribes and I would have loved a giant demon snake in midnight hunt set

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah instead we got a legendary...Ooze?

  • @ILikePi31415926535
    @ILikePi31415926535 2 роки тому

    I don't mind side stories being just side stories, but considering the magic story has been about planeswalkers almost exclusively for over a decade leads me to believe the Teferi/Wrenn one will be relavant in the future at least.

  • @anlize3422
    @anlize3422 2 роки тому

    Hm. I THINK the Teferi and Wreen story will have a impact in the future. There is clear foreshadowing BUT we all know Wizards love to waste their good ideas and instead use bad ideas (yes Ikoria, I'm looking at you).
    That said though, I would LOVE to have Liesa actually take part in the main story of crimson vow. We had Sigarda appear and interact with Sorin, we don't know what happen after that but I guess Sigarda would be happy to see her sister again. And given how Liesa was portrayed and how Sigarda herself acts, I really don't think they would leave Innistrad to the vampires and the werewolves.
    Now, moving a bit on a tangent: At the end, you said that beings of mana on Innistrad can take a while but eventually reform. That opens the door for the other angels to return as well(which _could_ be something interesting if WotC gives the story and the freedom to some writers). However, I don't think that would include my girl Avacyn since she was created by Sorin(but that could also be worked out).
    Thinking about this tangent, if someone is willing to bent a few rules, we could see Griselbrand return somewhat, and that would have some implications with Liliana... and.. you know, advance the story somewhat.
    Now, closing the tangent with a few ideas of my own: Since time magic is a thing and we had a little something called Time Spiral, wouldn't it be interesting to see some kind of "time crunch" on Innistrad? Like, some really nasty thing pulling the long past, the present and a few possible futures together into one mix? That would include Avacyn at full power fighting with Griselbrand while Emrakul emerges from the moon as Innistrad is "ready for her" in the future. I don't know, I really enjoy thinking about this kind of "what if" scenarios and more than so on Innistrad(which is one of my favorite planes).

    • @MagicArcanum
      @MagicArcanum  2 роки тому

      It took Liesa a thousand years to reform, which means we wouldn't be seeing Griselbrand or Avacyn anytime soon. In fact, both had other unique circumstances to their death that might make it impossible for them to return - Griselbrand was destroyed by the Chain Veil, and Avacyn was 'unmade' by Sorin.

  • @inamecomeunico8935
    @inamecomeunico8935 2 роки тому

    I need more Liesa, I always wanted to know more about this odd angel which bargained with demons to seek peace, She Is basically reversed Sorin!
    And now it's the perfect time to make her an importante character, Sigarda has been the last hope for the humans, and that must be incredibile taxing for her, not to forget that she witnesed the horrifing fall of her other two sisters, She could really use some help.
    And camon how fucking badass Liesa Is?
    She's wearing armor made out of the corpse of demon, which is bonded to her, it's just so fucking cool!
    And seeing how she would react to all of the bullshit that has happened on Innistrad, while she was death...
    I don't know I really really hope that she's going to be important in Crimson vow.

  • @johanandersson8252
    @johanandersson8252 2 роки тому

    Liesa: - I’m back bitches.

  • @hihowdyhellohi5231
    @hihowdyhellohi5231 2 роки тому

    Still mad/sad we didn’t see Tacenda