Sermon: Household Baptisms? Final Look
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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Perfect for my drive. Sundays are so good for new apologia sermons. 🙌
Can you pleqse post a copy of the outline Dr. White references in this sermon? The one from your bulletin.
I'm a Presbyterian now up to this 7th sermon in this series. I'm trying to better understand the other side and their arguments. Of course I'm always willing to conform to Scripture. I understand this subject is a very difficult debate.
Can you rebuke what he teaches?
Thanking God for this series James !
Can you label the series by number so they're easier to find? 😀 love that you're doing this
I'll submit my public request again that an intern go through and organize all the sermon series in Apologia's library as playlists. Each series getting it's own play list. The titles don't lend themself to knowing to which series a particular sermon belongs.
@@WorkingCows anything else they can do for you, your highness? What have YOU done for them? For anyone?
I didn’t know you broadcast live. Dr. White you don’t know this but you are my mentor whether you like it or not. I watched your podcasts some multiple times. God bless you and your ministry. I also regularly watch the sermons of Apologia church.
Lol whether you like it or not
He's one of mine too. He just doesn't know it.
Thank you so much for this teaching.
Do they post their bulletins on Apologia Church? It would be very helpful to read along with them.
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Regarding Romans 6, I think the emphasis of Paul -- in connection to sanctification -- was on actual union with Christ in His death, burial, resurrection and not on water baptism. Perhaps Dr. White was emphasizing the water baptism there too much.
So Paul actually describes all of these things as taking place in relation to water Baptism; so no, it's not emphasising too much to acknowledge the fact that the Roman church was Baptised into Christs death by full immersion(the sign of Jonah) so they might share in his resurrection.
As Verse 4 puts it : *We were buried, therefore, with him through Baptism into death, so just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory the Father, so shall we also walk in the newness of life...*
Note that burial is necessary for the new life we are to walk in. I don't see how you square that with sprinkling practice. You can say the emphasis of Paul's teaching is the effects of Baptism, sure enough, but you can't separate that from the clear description Paul gives.
I’m a presby joining a reformed baptist church. It really ticks me off that both sides can’t overlook this issue and unite. (Not ignore it, but decide to not let it divide us).
Opposite way for me. No division within the local body over it, yet. Matters more to me that they're faithful to the word. I have no interest in joining a baptist church that's bowed the knee to covid cult, CRT, etc. "Weightier matters of the law" comes to mind
I think it is harder for the Baptist side to unite over this difference.
If a Baptist is in a Reformed Church and they are convinced in credo baptism, the church ought to make their case, but it isn't quite so big a deal if they leave it to a matter of conscience. If a Reformed Christian is in a Baptist church and is convinced that their newborn are covenant members and wants them baptized even after the church make its case, it would be really awkward for that pastor to baptize the infant, and awkward to bring the child to a different church just to baptize them.
I've heard of a few pastors that would do it, but usually I hear of it because of how scandalized other baptists feel about it.
reformed presby for life baby!
i appreciate mr white and durbin a lot though
Thank you sir.
Pastor God Blessed You All. What kind of baptism is this pastor
Could you please post on rumble so I can exile youtube from my content
It's Jim.. yeah Jim.. Jim the anabaptist fireman...
Any one have a personal experience with The Holy Ghost? Babtism in water is not necessary. Just ask the thief on the cross .
I just started watching the video so forgive me if I'm prematurely asking you this question. I agree with you... baptism is not necessary for salvation. Does white say it is somewhere in the video?
And yet Christ did it as an example for us Mat 3:15
@@page76metalcraft19 No, I just had a friend asking me, and put the comment in. I meant no disrespect. God Bless
@@gaildrake5940 I understand that it is a show repentance,or turning from sin, but there is so much more the father wants to give us in this life. I have been babtised , but also with power through the Babtism in the Holy Ghost. The same power that raised him from the dead. We are going to need this gift to stand in the last days. God Bless
@@brittsbit770 who said He only wants us to be baptized; but if it was important enough for Him who did not need baptism to be baptized than it’s important for us
clear!
baptists gonna baptists
Baptism washes away sins..
Where in scriptures that God prohibits household baptism?
Look 1 Cor.10:1-2
1 Peter 3
Baptism that saves.
1 Cor.10:1-2
1 peter 3:18-20
You dont know 2 Timothy 3:16
Is old testament is not scripture?
So do you believe the new testament isn't scripture? It's speaking about the nature of scripture
The bible is OLD TESTAMENTUM and NEW TESTAMENTUM.
2 TIM.3:16
TRINITY IS STARTS IN GENESIS 1
JOHN 1:1-14
GEN.17
LUKE 22:20
they baptised all households in acts - the key is that children were included in the old testament through circimcision on the 8th day - paul says in galatians baptism now replaces circumcision as the entree into the new covenant - remember the new testament is not a rejection or an abandonment if the old but a fullfillment or flowering of the old - the better question is this - if children were included in the old covenent where in the new testament does it say now they aren't? it doesnt
But you entered the old covenant community by birth and you enter the new by new birth. Otherwise if you're striving for consistency, let's only baptize males and not females
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Amen! a point often missed and or taken for granted......
How did you get that convoluted mess out of Galatians? 😕
So in case you weren't aware all genuine believers are given new birth through the Holy Spirit; this is how one becomes a Christian. So as Baptists we're not saying that circumcision has no relationship to Baptism, but we *are* saying that to the extent this is analogical it is only so in relation to the new birth; the very one that Nicodemus satirized but Jesus insisted upon. God bless.
Why doesn't he debate/discuss with Lutherans? No baptist view existed before the reformation. Wouldn't this be important?
Incorrect, lol
@@horrificpleasantry9474 who was a baptist before the reformation?
Ask Google. I know you have an internet capable device. If you are unwilling to learn, why should I waste my own time for your sake when it will make no difference?
@@horrificpleasantry9474 you're the one saying that I'm incorrect and are unwilling to correct me.
I'm obeying the scripture that says not to cast pearls before swine, and reject a divisive man after 2 warnings. ✌️
How about EUCHARIST is not an old COVENANT PATTERN TOO?
Passover to EUCHARIST covenant pattern right?
We do believe believers baptism and covenant household baptism
I must say. I disagree much with apologia, but I listen because I love the pursuit of truth. God bless, from a dispensationalist believer who is not on the same page that Jesus is God, but is the word of God made flesh.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that they didn’t believe that Jesus was God, but that they did believe he was the word made flesh. Could you help me understand your conviction?
To call yourself a believe but deny Christ is contradicting, praying for you bc without Christ you are headed for hell.
@@lindsaybarlow7946 I believe everything the Bible says about Jesus. To include that He is God's word, Lord, the Christ, etc.
What I do not fully understand is why those on the internet would said I am not in Christ for not believing extra biblical teachings.
For example John 8:58 Jesus says before Abraham ἐγὼεἰμί (I am). Simply placing himself as existing before and after Abraham thus elevating His status over Abraham.
Pastors will preach that this means Jesus proclaimed to be God using code or analogy or metaphor. But I just don't see it in the scripture.
Since Jesus is God's word He would have to therefore exist before Abraham. Where I get genuinely confused is how or why the word of God must therefore be God.
I'm not saying it's impossible and I used to proclaim it so. I just lost that proclamation as I study more intentionally to understand the Bible.
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 thank you for your prayers. Sincerely. I would never deny Jesus as the Christ. Jesus is my Lord, and savior, who died for my sin and was risen by God. I believe all the proclaimed titles of Jesus in the Bible.
I ask God the Father through Christ Jesus that the Holy Spirit, who lives in me, bless me with understanding and believing all the truths of Christ Jesus, my Lord. Amen.
@@searching4adventure85 John 1 doesn’t mean anything to you ?
you tell me why not to baptise an infant when they did it in the early church then my friend
Except that that they didn't!
The _Didache_ (aka _The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations,_ c.90-150, 7:1-4), for example, reserved baptism for persons old enough to have received instruction and to have fasted for at least the day before.
Similarly, Justin Martyr (c.100-c.165) viewed baptism as rendering the Christian "spiritually regenerated as new-born babes" ( _First Apology_ 34) and restricted it to those who "are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins" acquired when they were "brought up in bad habits and wicked training" ( _First Apology_ 61).
Even the _Apostolic Constitutions_ (c.375-380) restricted to those who had fasted and received instruction beforehand (7.2.22, 7.3.34). The only mention of paedobaptism was in the context of a criticism of those who would delay their own baptism till they were approaching death (so as to avoid compromising the perceived efficacy of their baptism) but would hypocritically baptize their infants, thus denying those infants the same opportunity (6.3.15).
Galatian was before Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, not even knowing the names. Paul after Saul who was first Adam portrayed the letter looking outside, Paul knew it is looking inside where the second Adam is not letter Saul thought to be secular history, its all allegory that first adam can't look for it in themselves till they wake. Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
but the arguments ARE compelling and sufficient. I believe ultimately we must baptize children because not doing so causes confusion. It's not in scripture that's true. scripture is not exhaustive of all knowledge or practice.
The children are His. Bringing them to Him says nothing of baptism just like bring me your first fruits or your best. Its about conviction and faith.
No offense to you, but do you have a more intelligent argument to make?
the catholic church says to be baptize and the catholic church was started by jesus - so jesus teaches through the magesterium of the church
Sola Scriptura is not scriptural.
Your position is self refuting
@@horrificpleasantry9474 That doesn’t even make sense.
@@wolkenpower you're appealing to the authority of Scripture to support your denial of the authority of Scripture. Your conclusion cannot be supported this way, instead it's falsified
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Scripture is authoritative but it’s not the only thing that’s authoritative. Saint Paul himself told the Thessalonians to “hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”
@@wolkenpower you're not engaging with the issue at hand. What you said was internally contradictory
baptism is one of 7 sacraments instituted by christ
My goodness! This is probably the most BORING preacher I've ever listened to 😂
🙄
James White is so far from boring...he is pretty much a genius
Some people need sparklers and fog with their sermons/preaching...this is called biblical exposition. The word of God is Potent
Lol ok. You don’t realize it but this comment tells us more about you than anything else.
Messages are only boring to those who don’t want to listen