Honestly, I think that Orb Mother will have more to do with Pazuul than Parvos. A Narmer drone is currently monitoring it and Sentients are known to be good hackers, after all.
@yayorodriguez685 (Edited) this is wrong, we cured his infection in a past event, sadly old event lore is very hard to dig so ive never heard of this, him dying in new war is still canon incorrect, infected alad v is basically fake canon. The most recent show of him is during the new war where his ship is destroyed with him on it.
Ever since they first introduced Kuva and upon us learning about it being used not only for Orokin/Queens Transcendence into a new body, but also the ability to change one into a Cephalon, I had this thought that what if in the creation of a Cephalon it separated mind (Cephalon) from body. And since we know Ballas was the one who turned Ordan Karris into Ordis, I doubt Ballas would leave such an "empty husk" of such talent behind without use and inject the Helminth virus into it making another of His "Frames of War". Been YEARS since I first had these thoughts about it and is the only thing I secretly hoped and held on for since.
An important thing with Albrecht's perception of the Indiference; He expects that during Void Travel others will witness the Indiference as him, as Albrecht's Other. But from our own experience we know that the Indiference doesn't hold one form, but rather that it shows itself as one's self; for us, as Wallie.
Yep, I feel like his overconfidence will end up being a flaw at some point, probably right when we're about to actually confront wally for the first true time.
@@TheDsIEGE When the Infinity collides with the Forward and Reverse Rotation Techniques, this is born. The expulsion of imaginary mass… Imaginary Technique: HOLLOW PURPLE. 🤞🤌🫴🟣
Okay so there’s this guy… Ball Ass he- he big time horned up right? So he likes Margy and when she die he want to kill everyone who- well actually he just want to kill everyone (we no like Ball Ass).
Just try to explain what DE just show us, youre fighting a computer virus that evolve over centuries, gaining nigh immortal bodies and they like the backstreet boys.
As the Granum void goes, its notable that both in the quest and just in terms of her mechanic. Protea doesn't teleport to new places, she takes herself and others to places they''ve already been. So to save Granum and end up with him in the Granum Void, it would infer that he had already been there before.
"Protracted negotiation" - torture. Nef's mom might just have lied and told Nef Anyo what he wanted to hear and given Nef's inflated ego, he of course didn't question it.
Don't worry, thoughts on Tennocon and Warframe 1999 are on the way, but... I wanted to get this out first as it will most likely have relevance with The Lotus Eaters Coming this August! Hope you enjoy!
Just wanted to bring to your attention, Party of Your Lifetime, has a lyric saying "this is only the beginning". I doubt this is important to the lore, but with how much Wally talks about "It ends where it began," I wonder if the answers to his tale are going to end with these future updates. I hope not as his seeds have been so heavily sown into the world.
Hey, if you haven’t heard them, the voice actor for Albrecht used to read Audiobooks, and his voice is AMAZING. However you may feel about the Ender’s Game series, listening to Entrati voice it is just *chef’s kiss*
Based on the last section, I feel like the indifference wants us to pursue the details of the deal we agreed to, and is using parvos to try and get us to take another deal that would likely give it more control over us. Wally not expressly stating the conditions of the original deal is a long term strategy to play us into its many, many hands
Parvo has stated he heard WHISPERS when he was a farm hand, at the time it seemed to be a philosophical statement. But with the grimoire boss encounters it take an unnerving meaning!
Yep and the reason he's after Dante and entratis lab junk is brcause he's after dante's book. Its not easy to catch but the book will appear only once after the first time leverian reads the truth lore about Dante at the end. Right sfter he's done the book appears until you look away like how the wall specter in our ship poofs.
After reading it, it hurts, seeing her dialogue, the hope that she could (potentially) have hoped to raise Sirius…… It is with that, that my hatred for ballas has only exponentially grown more vigorous, tenfold.
We *cannot* let Parvos see our dojos. With his professed hatred of "preserving" Warframe remains, if he witnesses Dagath's Hollow (or in my clan's case, the three Hollows, directly next to each other, on their own separate level of the dojo) he's going to have a stroke. ...On second thought, yes Mr. Granum, go right ahead! Warframe artifacts this way!
That's exactly what I said when becoming the new designer! I think it had something to do with miscommunication when the update came out? We also have like two Venkids labs...
When it comes to "Mara Lohk" it is also something of note that at least at some time DE's internal narrative documents refer to the player character as "Mara". Could be a coincidence, what with Mara Detron being a thing in the game, a weapon we got with the very first visit by Baro Ki'Teer, a man who brings stuff from the Void. Where Wally lives. Pull connecting strings between all these characters at your own discression. In seriousness, Mara Lohk could be a kind of title refering to "main character". Us. Eternalism and all that, we are all the main characters of our strands of Khra. But all of us also exist in each eachother's strands. Mara Lohk in this sense could indicate a sort of axis or anchor point around which all events so far tend to revolve.
@@TheDsIEGE Oh yeah, for sure! Makes it tricky that each word in voidtongue probably isn't so much a word as it is a concept. And those tend to have weird fluid meanings depending on context. Assuming DE went that far with their worldbuilding on all this.
All right lads, who here knows about Warhammer40k? I think the void is like the warp, a relm where the laws of physicality are unwritten and emotion rules as king! Take Duviri as the prime example. Envy, Sorrow, Fear, Rage, and Joy are embodied as entities we can interact with. But i think that Wallie was made from the collective apathy of the Orokin...
"From Brooding Gulfs are we beheld By that which bears no name" What if those sensitive to the Void are not born that way, but chosen, by Wally himself?
I'd say that "Child of the void" is a likely translation of Mara Lohk. Quite a while ago it was revealed that the devs use Mara as the name to refer to the Operator when writing the scripts for the quests so they might've based thr phrase off of that
that quite makes sense, "mara lohk" being "void child" also makes sense concidering the first baro kiteer weapon he ever brought back from the void the first time he arrived was the mara detron... the "void detron"
Can I say the fact that he got his hand cut off over a uncommon resource that I don't even have to try to get before it litters my inventory is always so deeply funny and sad to me. Then I remember what he did to his brother and that he crated the corpus and I get over the sad part. Theory-could the man in the wall have had no idea of real space until either Albrecht or because time is non-linear in the void the Zeriman came bursting in. like the metaphor of the "hand and the fish" but if this is the case is the man in wall the "fish" or the "hand".
There's an old Star Trek series book called "The Wounded Sky" that posits what might happen if a sentient but un-time-bound and unaware universe suddenly has to figure out how to exist after meeting individual beings from our entropic universe. Could this be what's happening?
One of the things I have considered is that the Man In The Wall has told us how to beat him or something to a similar affect. Because whenever he speaks, I don't think he's lying to us. In Whispers in the Wall, he says something like "Its not going to get better if you keep picking at it" which may be comparable to the constant aggravation of the situation is what is causing the issues. You think about Ballas ripping a hole into the Void. As well as Albrecht being a Paranoid Maniac, who keeps on messing with the void and the Man in the Wall. It seems like if you leave it alone and close the portals, it would stop being a problem. If anyone can contradict the idea that Wally does lie directly, then please do. I remember during Sacrifice, he responds "good" to you thinking you killed Isa, but didn't try and convince you.
"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?" Xata = truth Mara lohk = child of the void, i.e. us My best guess is this line translates to "Will you keep true [to the deal], child of the void?"
I doubt this will happen but I hope we can give Albert the same infested strain that his family got that way he will be properly punished and wouldn't be able to time travel anymore. Plus we would be able to tell him apart from his double ganger.
We learn from that Alad V manifestation that infestion is indeed reversible. So there might be a possibility there. Also and in the Belly of the beast, apparently glassing (The method used by the Orokin to make cephalons) as well.
Parvos saying " Entrati violated time" is that a reference to Entrati stealing a finger, going back in time, or ducking his deal? This is why I love this game! The questions.
Speaking in desire hits really different now. When Wally approached us, it was at the time of our most desirable. The desire to save the other children aboard the Zeriman. Maybe in the Drifter's timeline, there wasn't enough of a desire to help the others so Wally never showed up. I could always be wrong but that makes sense to me. "But you have to WANT it". Parvos IS probably the only one who could truly understand Wally
In the song “Sleeping In The Cold Below” Parvos Granum is described as having “The Devil in his eye” and now I’m even more sure this video is on the right track
Now that you've shown the "let's shake on it" part, I kinda know where this is going... The Indifference is taking form of influent people during the game, making contradictory actions over them, making "deals".It feels like it's the actual "Devil from the Void"
With the doppelgangers, perhaps they're like a Time Lord's incarnations where, despite presenting differently, they're all ultimately the same person underneath.
Parvos is a cunning and resourceful man He knows what he wants and how to get it, he will use who he needs to get what he wants Cutting some sort of deal with Wally is not entirely out of the question for Granum
When Parvos talked about hearing the language of Desire, I thought he was figuratively talking about money; he heard the sound of credits in someone's pockets.
I think the man in the wall is able to take the appearance of anyone he makes a deal with. Wether this is his ends or his means is a terrifying unknown
What I find interesting with the Protea Prime trailer, the hound from a sister of parvos was brought into being with a Sevagoth progenitor signaled by the hologram of Sevagoth’s helmet. This might have been DE’s hidden teaser of their next prime Warframe that was introduced in Tennocon, Sevagoth Prime.
It is either going to be Granum's hubris in deal-making that will subject him to Wally's whims, OR, in some way through his mercantile wisdom, may be able to strike a deal to Wally's detriment.
also since in the end of tennocon they kinda reveal that 1999 is not a seperate universe or anything like that... but straight up in the past... when the man in the wall got into the origin system at the end of new war.... he then followed Entrati back to 1999 and eventualy he would get to Parvos granum after waiting long enough and completing the loop... whatever he did inbetween going to 1999 and contacting parvos we dont know yet..... also i think void tounge is straight up a whole language they made... unlike all the other languages in warframe its not just "reskinned english" proto-orokin is somewere inbetween were its all written phoneticaly unlike normal orokin.... but void toung i do belive is a whole real constructed language... especialy since its in songs and has subtitles ingame. But thats just a theory, well parts of it atleast and it seems to make sense
I didn't consider Mara Lohk was reffering to us, but that's a good idea because if alberect heard it as much as we did he'd probably make note of it. I also wonder if we have our own requium sequence that could possibly be a threat to our own immortality.
I think Parvos may not be saying everything about his origin. Him being uniquely sensitive to Wally could be similar to Rell's experience, however any contact with Wally always has a conduit. I suspect he may have come into contact with kuva somehow, just like we heard him for the first time in War Within.
One thing to consider is warframes officially were being produced during the war with the sentients no? Just before the Zariman stuff happened but after the Entrati discovered void travel and Albrechts encounter with the man in the wall. Thus, Granum would have had knowledge of this through that, not before entrati at all. Furthermore, this means he could very well have stolen information albrecht had written about the void and potentially found a way to contact it in order to create his 'specter particle', or the theory was already invented by the Entrati family and it was part of the research he stole. The actual timeline of stuff is always in a flux and its never directly stated, but granum absolutely was around during the old war.
Welp I just had a scary thought. What if the reason these lines said in the void tongue language we the players can't understand are said in in void tongue because it's meant to represent the fact that the man in the wall is actively breaking the 4th walk and talking directly to us, the player behind the screen, and that WE can't understand it because WE have yet to make the deal ourselves? While the other times when we can understand what he's saying is because we are hearing him talk to the characters in game and are understanding what's said through them when its directed at them, being the reason for why those lines seemingly come through in English/whatever language you play the game in natively. That is some Meta lore right there, and if this is the actial case, then Implications from a narrative standpoint is mindblowing amazing.
Can't believe that, after years, rewatching that Deadlock protocol final message, I finally saw what would end up being so big of foreshadowing: "But what about you? Tell me; friend: what is it you... DESIRE?" The Tenno are commonly called "Void Devils" at several points in the game and what is a common theme associated with the Devil? DESIRE And who would be the equivalent of the Devil in Warframe? Yup, probably Wally, have been suspecting it a lot since a few updates ago, but now I'm convinced, Parvos definitely has some kind of deal with Wally
@TheDsIEGE in one of the special previews that had the group messages someone said they heard a roar I think that roar was the man in the wall speaking on void tongue
When I first entered the Mall, Elonor made a remark that she knows I'm there. She also later said that she expected two of us (or two of me). She is clearly talking directly to the Tenno, and she does so telepathically, so that leaves a possibility that she got that tidbit from us.
Ballas is a possibility. Maybe the cost Lotus had to pay the void to hide the moon in the void was yeeting Erra and Ballas into the future? It would explain why Natah remembers Erra being destroyed, and why Ballas just shows up, ageless and untouched by time, right after the moon is pulled out of the void.
I kind of assumed for a long time that Parvos has encountered the Man in the Wall because in his lore there was a *whisper* which helped him Also in the song "Sleeping in the cold below" there's a sentence "There's a man on high with the devil in his eye, and a golden hand I'm told" while the devil in his eye could be the description of his personality. I still think it means he has encountered the man in the wall at some point
Yeah, we also don't know the syntax of void tongues. There is nothing to indicate it is for instance set up in a manner to japanese, if only there were more context clues. But we know from in game lore that Lohk means void and xata means truth, but it could have a myriad of meanings. Don't know what Oull means, but a current hypothesis, it could mean Desire, as that word has been prominent throughtout the ordeal with Parvos Granum, and is a word not yet defined in void tongue. So this is pure speculation, but could Voull be the antithesis of Oull, meaning that what the man might be saying is something along the lines of "Want to deny the Void becoming truth?" But that is very, VERY speculative...
I would lose my shit if he’s a past version,the original indifference, if the void itself was brought to the eternalism “time-cube”(or whatever you can call warframe’s timeline) via his entrapment
18:11 I know it was probably just for identification purpose with his fake hand, but I do wonder if Parvos offering the deal to Vala with his left hand (instead of Wally using his right) has some (at least thematic) significance. While he calls out Nef for his new corpus essentially being a self-serving attempt to imitate the original, is Parvos essentially doing the same thing when offering his deals of power inside the void?
The fact Parvos supposedly shuns sentimentality, but is pretty blatantly nostalgic for Ordan Karris and his bloody feats, speaks of a level of hypocrisy that would have the Indifference give one of its signature snide grins.
Despite Parvos’ stance, his journey reflects that of Albert himself. And just like Entrati, he seems…desperate. Even with our party standing in direct opposition of Parvos’ ambition, there’s an itch in the back of my head, that he needs to be saved as well. The Jade Light is known for disintegrating known-beings, shredding apart its information down to its most basic particles, a perfect weapon against the opposition of whoever is armed with the Jade Light…but, it is also rumored to be capable of rending even a soul, with the failed execution of Dagath. If anything, denying Parvos of the super weapon known as the Jade Light, we may have also denied ourselves a possible weapon against dealing with entities beyond the wall - something that Parvos is absolutely withholding information on for one supposedly fluent in Void Tongue.
I think aside from the already known meanings of Mara other meanings can be read, understand and embrace. We know Lohk means void and I think aside from the meanings of child and demon that the three above also make sense. Read refers to the poem and the void wants us to understand and embrace it to a degree or completely, I bet only to a degree as I believe the other versions of us killed in the Zariman via the handshake were in extremes of void embrace, either no embrace or too much embrace, only the one in the middle surviving due to being balanced out. It also explains why the dialogue options of certain levels are white, grey or black, it's you're degree of void embrace and you're ideology as well as morals taking shape changing you're and you're dopplegangers appearance as you're ideology and morals change.
Well done with this insight At first seeing Parvos, i thought him just another man from the old days attempting to bend things back to his day of being the one in charge. All his actions of wanting to take for himself, having the strength of women around him as his weapons instead of his soldiers, and seeing Jades gift as nothing moreso than a weapon to be wielded against those who oppose him. I still see him as that uet now....now, you have brought a new/old puppet master in as well Desire Capital D esire This is the naming of a being or entity and not just some manifest destiny that i thought Parvos was on. This is something as you said, that has opened communication with him and is making him its mouthpiece. Is this separate from Wally or is this another facet of TMITW? Curious to find out more Thanks D
The corpus gathered Jade particles to create Jade Exmis, the grinier would clash with the corpus like they always do and hijacked that tech only for the grinier to pick a fight with the infested giving them jades light as well. This is why every faction in the game has Jade Exmis and I hate it. All it does is give the Exmis one overhead beam of FU energy and it always kills me.
Okay but off topic why are we getting ANOTHER vehicle type when archwing rework is still in the vault along with k-drive and necramecha being hilariously underfleshed
I wonder if the sentence that we keep hearing, is what Parvos said to us, just different. Something like "Name your Desire, My Friend", it would explain why "Mara Lohk" is said, it translates to "My Friend".
My theory is that the Indifference gives people the ability to understand Void Tongue is they give in to it. They are meant to be words understood by its followers. The Cavia could understand it because they were dying and wally soothed them. And as a reward for listening, he gave them the ability to understand. Parvos was desperate, and wally implamted a tempting idea in his head in which he saw power. And Parvos is more intetested in getting what he wants than the means of getting them. In reward, wally give him the ability to understand his mysterious language. Albrecht and us can't understand it because we reject it. Albrecht fears ut and tries to fight against it. We don't trust it and go against its deal. Loid ignores it because he listens to Albrecht.
Would Wally ever consider giving a significant portion of his power to a vessel like Parvos? Edit : Siege, im fully convinced writers at DE take ideas from your introspective and tailor the story accordingly around, above or through your context implications
I am struck by how the landscape of major players in the Warframe universe has exploded since the Lotus awakened the Tenno. With the appearance of the Sentients, Parvos Granum, Albrecht Entrati, the Indifference, the Narmer the simple objective of stemming Grineer expansion has given way into a confusing game of shifting alliances with conflicting "end-game" (narrative) objectives for these parties. I am also struck by the words of the Lotus at that moment - "to restore balance" - and ponder its larger meaning, namely that of a cosmic arc that spans creation of existence to its end. So could it be that the "Indifference" has been the prime mover all along? For out of "nothing" came the Big Bang and processes still unseen guide the evolution of the universe.
*@DsIEGE* 💥 Parvos Granum is such a cool “antagonist”. Next to Vay Hex, of course. 👺 You couldn’t leave out your “Uranus” joke, could you? 🗿 “Won’t you lay me down under *Granun* *Crowns.”*
I'm starting to think that we need to look at Duviri as something else aside being the story of a book turned into reality. Picture it as some kind of board the Man in the Wall uses on which you can scribble on or erase with an eraser whenever you want whatever you like...like entire locations. Then you spoke about doppelgangers being a thing (which it's clear THEY ARE a thing) and something came to my mind, the figure of The Warden, he is the only one in ALL of Duviri saying that he is more than someone in Duviri, that he knows what's outside of there (probably talking about the Origin system on the other side of the Zariman). So what if the Man in the Wall noticing Duviri popping up and seeing this guy acting like Ballas, took the idea of making it's doppelgangers more like off-springs than just a way to only show himself? From there he also made all of the Murmurs
@@TheDsIEGE need to add a thing that might make my way of reasoning slightly less of a stretch. The fake Dax warriors are also able to shapeshift and they are basically void creatures
Just realized... I think the plan is something to the effect of The Indifference has now birthed enough Tenno using the Lotus as 'surrogate' and now they seek Jade for the ability to birth enough Warframes directly from Techocyte rather than slowly assembling them. Why is the Prologue quest 'The Lotus Eaters' just after Jade Shadows with massive themes of motherhood I could be totally wrong and we're just going into direct asymmetric warfare
My issue with the idea of birthing warframes directly is: A. unlike the slow assembly, it could take much longer for the children to become actually useful B. We still don't know WHEN jade became pregnant. My theroy is she may have been pregnant before being turned into a frame and ballas, being well...ballas, transformed her anyways...which is really fucked up and I kinda hope that's not the case but we have no idea
The next update being called Lotus eaters as a prologue to 1999 is...really curious. And kinda scary after the events of both Dante's Story and Belly of the Beast. In fact, Parvos being allied with the man in the wall is really interesting. Altough I will say....DE....This is cool and all ...but when are we gonna continue the grinner's story? They haven't gotten a large scale quest since War within :(.
I'm willing to bet Parvos staged his own betrayal. It's the only thing that explains why he would need a frame like Protea; he was planning ahead. No doubt the traitors imagined it was their own idea, but we know how Parvos can be a master manipulator. He needed to know who was weak and corrupt among the Corpus and for them to openly reveal themselves in order to weed them out, not by subterfuge but by the sheer bluntness of his ideology. Now, he surrounds himself with only the most devout of Corpus; the ones he considers worthy to inherit and lead his new empire.
Ordan Karris was one of the strongest orokin-era warriors, and as far as we know, he wasn't a Dax (presumably didn't had their type and level of body "augmentation"). If Ballas used his body to make an warframe (since Loid was not vitrified, and Ballas is the type of douche that infested pregnant woman and a senior dax), it would be one of the strongest warrior-themed warframes...like a mix between styanax/excalibur with valkyr/garuda.
To me Ordan will always be better than Ordis as a character. Sadly, Ordis is something different now, inhuman, weaker, more afraid; that was likely intentional in his glassing as punishment for his defiance and bravery, corrupting his very self-chosen nature to make him suffer, even unknowing, forever. I really hope they don't just make Parvos some shallow caricature of greed/corporatism. He has gone too far in my opinion, but his initial defiance of the Orokin is almost as inspiring as Ordan's. Wally, the Tenno, whatever destruction comes again from Tau and the Void, the blame lies with Albrecht and the rest of our monstrous descendants, the Orokin themselves. I long to stand on a heap of blueskins with Tagfer and Wally, laughing and making a new bargain for the future, and I trust Granum over the old ilk trying to regain their grip on the origin system, for certain.
I had always hoped WE would find a way to get ordis more engaged, so the twist in this story is quite interesting. it will be very interesting to see where this eventually heads, I'm really surprised DE put that in there.
I believe it's related to the message behind the vitruvian man, squaring the circle or in no uncertain terms a representation of the body and mind, a harmony of science and spiritual, which is in theory what Entrati has always been. A man of science who continues to delve into the arcane to bridge the gap. I think the vitruvian form represents the perverted form of that, kind of like Entrati's personality manifested into an actual horrific monster. Almost like how the ghostbusters conjured stay puft, only much darker and more deadly.
@@TheDsIEGE yes can get a before and after view when jade becomes a frame and a small section of how the tenno felt of piloting the frames or just her operator instead and then last we see how she reacted when the tenno's attack happened the night of the Naga drums
If Jade was the sister of Ordan could account for the cephalon's intense loyalty to her remains, but is that plausible? Consider: as Orokin society was a rigid genetic caste system, family bloodlines would be central to selection of the service role of individuals. Thus being related accounts for the exceptionalism of Jade and Ordan as well as the high level of responsibility they were given by the Orokin. Additionally, it would be provide a convenient reason for their disobedience to Orokin legums as that behavioral "anomaly" could be a share trait.
What is the void tileset? I thought it was just orokin towers, but they would still all be destroyed. Is it possible that from the start we have been traveling back in time and never knew or thought about it?
I believe the void to be a kind of mirror to our own, the world within the vast dark of the universe. These towers seemed to have been hidden within the void originally and have "bled" into ours...
"No, that must be a different son" was hilarious
I lost it at that line when it came out.
He sounds *so* crestfallen. Like he's holding back tears. I *almost* felt a sliver of sympathy for him at that moment.
God that almost got me killed.
“With this most recent assault into the depths of Uranus”
*dramatic pause
The pause was the most important part, lol
P Diddy. The P is for Parvos
When Parvos returns after the 1999 update he better bring that third Orb Mother with him
That poor girl being trapped in that lake for half a decade 💀
he loves old artifacts...
He can put that jade light to good use😮
That Orb Mother is on vacation
She is just making a bubble bath for all her children.
Honestly, I think that Orb Mother will have more to do with Pazuul than Parvos. A Narmer drone is currently monitoring it and Sentients are known to be good hackers, after all.
Ever wonder why Nef anyo never comes around any more? It's because his body is so burnt from the roast his father😂.
Hahahahaha, i remember.
Never ask alad v why he is still alive and never ask nef anyo when his father resurfaced from void
@@theboythatslostinthewoods9003 no he died lmao, viso got him killed during the new war
@@Jordynowo no he died during the patient zero quest which takes place after new war being turned into infested and you kill him
@yayorodriguez685
(Edited) this is wrong, we cured his infection in a past event, sadly old event lore is very hard to dig so ive never heard of this, him dying in new war is still canon
incorrect, infected alad v is basically fake canon. The most recent show of him is during the new war where his ship is destroyed with him on it.
Ever since they first introduced Kuva and upon us learning about it being used not only for Orokin/Queens Transcendence into a new body, but also the ability to change one into a Cephalon, I had this thought that what if in the creation of a Cephalon it separated mind (Cephalon) from body. And since we know Ballas was the one who turned Ordan Karris into Ordis, I doubt Ballas would leave such an "empty husk" of such talent behind without use and inject the Helminth virus into it making another of His "Frames of War". Been YEARS since I first had these thoughts about it and is the only thing I secretly hoped and held on for since.
I'm hoping this story beat with ordis continues so we can possibly see what a "reverse" procedure actually looks like...
We get a second Umbra style frame, and it's the transformed Corpse of Ordan... with Ordis controlling it.
Hold on, I though cepalons got "glassed"?
An important thing with Albrecht's perception of the Indiference; He expects that during Void Travel others will witness the Indiference as him, as Albrecht's Other. But from our own experience we know that the Indiference doesn't hold one form, but rather that it shows itself as one's self; for us, as Wallie.
Yep, I feel like his overconfidence will end up being a flaw at some point, probably right when we're about to actually confront wally for the first true time.
Imagine explaining warframe's lore to your friend.
I could do it.
@@TheDsIEGE When the Infinity collides with the Forward and Reverse Rotation Techniques, this is born. The expulsion of imaginary mass… Imaginary Technique: HOLLOW PURPLE. 🤞🤌🫴🟣
Okay so there’s this guy… Ball Ass he- he big time horned up right? So he likes Margy and when she die he want to kill everyone who- well actually he just want to kill everyone (we no like Ball Ass).
Just try to explain what DE just show us, youre fighting a computer virus that evolve over centuries, gaining nigh immortal bodies and they like the backstreet boys.
@@TheDsIEGE i did it a couple hours ago
As the Granum void goes, its notable that both in the quest and just in terms of her mechanic. Protea doesn't teleport to new places, she takes herself and others to places they''ve already been. So to save Granum and end up with him in the Granum Void, it would infer that he had already been there before.
Very interesting catch there!!!!
15:29 “We ain’t found shit!” -Space Balls 😂
Screw granum, lol
Parvos is like most business owners who had roles or parts in our individual yet connected lives.
that's a really apt way of looking at it!!
"Protracted negotiation" - torture. Nef's mom might just have lied and told Nef Anyo what he wanted to hear and given Nef's inflated ego, he of course didn't question it.
Don't worry, thoughts on Tennocon and Warframe 1999 are on the way, but... I wanted to get this out first as it will most likely have relevance with The Lotus Eaters Coming this August! Hope you enjoy!
Make sure to explore the mall, the 1999 crew have a lot of interesting dialogue
@@DogeZzzz I believe I got it all recorded... I'll go back and check tomorrow
I think aoi asks what Mara lohk is.
Just wanted to bring to your attention, Party of Your Lifetime, has a lyric saying "this is only the beginning". I doubt this is important to the lore, but with how much Wally talks about "It ends where it began," I wonder if the answers to his tale are going to end with these future updates. I hope not as his seeds have been so heavily sown into the world.
@@greap2294I think thats Eleanor (Nyx) who says that
him offering a seat on the table for biz and eudici AND you sounds so unnerving
I know right?
Hey, if you haven’t heard them, the voice actor for Albrecht used to read Audiobooks, and his voice is AMAZING. However you may feel about the Ender’s Game series, listening to Entrati voice it is just *chef’s kiss*
I've spoken to him on twitter and we follow each other, his voice it incredible and perfect for Entrati!
@@TheDsIEGE Oh yes when I first heard it with the Entrati memory lore I was entranced!
Wait....the enders series is read by entrati? 2 of my favorite things together, amazing
My first thought was that Albreht was voiced by Wayne June, narrator from Darkest Dungeon. They have similar voices
Based on the last section, I feel like the indifference wants us to pursue the details of the deal we agreed to, and is using parvos to try and get us to take another deal that would likely give it more control over us. Wally not expressly stating the conditions of the original deal is a long term strategy to play us into its many, many hands
Parvo has stated he heard WHISPERS when he was a farm hand, at the time it seemed to be a philosophical statement. But with the grimoire boss encounters it take an unnerving meaning!
Yep and the reason he's after Dante and entratis lab junk is brcause he's after dante's book.
Its not easy to catch but the book will appear only once after the first time leverian reads the truth lore about Dante at the end. Right sfter he's done the book appears until you look away like how the wall specter in our ship poofs.
"The deepest parts of Uranus..." 😂 I will try and make a more thoughtful comment after the video but that got me lol
I feel this comment is loaded with thought! I strategically placed those uranus jokes!!
@@TheDsIEGE 🤣👍
Parvos remains one of my favorite characters in game, dude is a planner but isn't infallible. Also has very specific morals.
Nice overview of Parvos and what he may up to currently.
Also new Jade lore (from her POV) has appeared in Tenshin's place on the relays
Gonna check that out, right now
For real
After reading it, it hurts, seeing her dialogue, the hope that she could (potentially) have hoped to raise Sirius……
It is with that, that my hatred for ballas has only exponentially grown more vigorous, tenfold.
I can't wait for Lotus to be a mimic mimicking a mimic ever since she saw the man in the wall /s
Gonna get real confusing in here real quick, lol
We *cannot* let Parvos see our dojos. With his professed hatred of "preserving" Warframe remains, if he witnesses Dagath's Hollow (or in my clan's case, the three Hollows, directly next to each other, on their own separate level of the dojo) he's going to have a stroke.
...On second thought, yes Mr. Granum, go right ahead! Warframe artifacts this way!
I've seen some of these dojos and you're absolutely right. Kid in a candy store
Why does your clan have THREE?
That's exactly what I said when becoming the new designer!
I think it had something to do with miscommunication when the update came out?
We also have like two Venkids labs...
When it comes to "Mara Lohk" it is also something of note that at least at some time DE's internal narrative documents refer to the player character as "Mara". Could be a coincidence, what with Mara Detron being a thing in the game, a weapon we got with the very first visit by Baro Ki'Teer, a man who brings stuff from the Void. Where Wally lives. Pull connecting strings between all these characters at your own discression.
In seriousness, Mara Lohk could be a kind of title refering to "main character". Us. Eternalism and all that, we are all the main characters of our strands of Khra. But all of us also exist in each eachother's strands. Mara Lohk in this sense could indicate a sort of axis or anchor point around which all events so far tend to revolve.
I agree, I just want to know what the rest of it says, lol
@@TheDsIEGE Oh yeah, for sure! Makes it tricky that each word in voidtongue probably isn't so much a word as it is a concept. And those tend to have weird fluid meanings depending on context. Assuming DE went that far with their worldbuilding on all this.
Aka the one true Tenno. :D I love how this theory comes back!
All right lads, who here knows about Warhammer40k?
I think the void is like the warp, a relm where the laws of physicality are unwritten and emotion rules as king!
Take Duviri as the prime example. Envy, Sorrow, Fear, Rage, and Joy are embodied as entities we can interact with.
But i think that Wallie was made from the collective apathy of the Orokin...
I've actually heard this comparison numerous times, but I also agree Entrati has... tainted wally.
"From Brooding Gulfs are we beheld
By that which bears no name"
What if those sensitive to the Void are not born that way, but chosen, by Wally himself?
I think this is becoming more and more plausible
I am not entirely opposed to ordis becoming a badass ally.
I've been wanting this for years
I'd say that "Child of the void" is a likely translation of Mara Lohk. Quite a while ago it was revealed that the devs use Mara as the name to refer to the Operator when writing the scripts for the quests so they might've based thr phrase off of that
The rest is so important... can't wait to find out!
that quite makes sense, "mara lohk" being "void child" also makes sense concidering the first baro kiteer weapon he ever brought back from the void the first time he arrived was the mara detron... the "void detron"
Can I say the fact that he got his hand cut off over a uncommon resource that I don't even have to try to get before it litters my inventory is always so deeply funny and sad to me.
Then I remember what he did to his brother and that he crated the corpus and I get over the sad part.
Theory-could the man in the wall have had no idea of real space until either Albrecht or because time is non-linear in the void the Zeriman came bursting in. like the metaphor of the "hand and the fish" but if this is the case is the man in wall the "fish" or the "hand".
Yes, I think it very well could be that exact thing!
There's an old Star Trek series book called "The Wounded Sky" that posits what might happen if a sentient but un-time-bound and unaware universe suddenly has to figure out how to exist after meeting individual beings from our entropic universe. Could this be what's happening?
When the distortion in Nef Anyo's voice is at it's worst, his voice reminds me a lot of CABAL from Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun.
One of the things I have considered is that the Man In The Wall has told us how to beat him or something to a similar affect. Because whenever he speaks, I don't think he's lying to us. In Whispers in the Wall, he says something like "Its not going to get better if you keep picking at it" which may be comparable to the constant aggravation of the situation is what is causing the issues. You think about Ballas ripping a hole into the Void. As well as Albrecht being a Paranoid Maniac, who keeps on messing with the void and the Man in the Wall. It seems like if you leave it alone and close the portals, it would stop being a problem.
If anyone can contradict the idea that Wally does lie directly, then please do. I remember during Sacrifice, he responds "good" to you thinking you killed Isa, but didn't try and convince you.
"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"
Xata = truth
Mara lohk = child of the void, i.e. us
My best guess is this line translates to "Will you keep true [to the deal], child of the void?"
I doubt this will happen but I hope we can give Albert the same infested strain that his family got that way he will be properly punished and wouldn't be able to time travel anymore. Plus we would be able to tell him apart from his double ganger.
he would deserve no less, it's becoming more and more apparent
So Albrect is the bad guy? I thought it was Wally impersonating him?
Would that satisfy Tagfer though? (human) Loid would probably hate it.
We learn from that Alad V manifestation that infestion is indeed reversible. So there might be a possibility there. Also and in the Belly of the beast, apparently glassing (The method used by the Orokin to make cephalons) as well.
I wonder whats the unum is she can manipulate time too and she is connected to the strands of khra
We may end up tapping her as an ally in the future. She shouldn't forget that she owes us.
Parvos saying " Entrati violated time" is that a reference to Entrati stealing a finger, going back in time, or ducking his deal?
This is why I love this game! The questions.
Speaking in desire hits really different now. When Wally approached us, it was at the time of our most desirable. The desire to save the other children aboard the Zeriman. Maybe in the Drifter's timeline, there wasn't enough of a desire to help the others so Wally never showed up. I could always be wrong but that makes sense to me. "But you have to WANT it". Parvos IS probably the only one who could truly understand Wally
In the song “Sleeping In The Cold Below” Parvos Granum is described as having “The Devil in his eye” and now I’m even more sure this video is on the right track
Now that you've shown the "let's shake on it" part, I kinda know where this is going... The Indifference is taking form of influent people during the game, making contradictory actions over them, making "deals".It feels like it's the actual "Devil from the Void"
With the doppelgangers, perhaps they're like a Time Lord's incarnations where, despite presenting differently, they're all ultimately the same person underneath.
Parvos is a cunning and resourceful man
He knows what he wants and how to get it, he will use who he needs to get what he wants
Cutting some sort of deal with Wally is not entirely out of the question for Granum
When Parvos talked about hearing the language of Desire, I thought he was figuratively talking about money; he heard the sound of credits in someone's pockets.
what do you think now?
I think the man in the wall is able to take the appearance of anyone he makes a deal with. Wether this is his ends or his means is a terrifying unknown
What I find interesting with the Protea Prime trailer, the hound from a sister of parvos was brought into being with a Sevagoth progenitor signaled by the hologram of Sevagoth’s helmet. This might have been DE’s hidden teaser of their next prime Warframe that was introduced in Tennocon, Sevagoth Prime.
It is either going to be Granum's hubris in deal-making that will subject him to Wally's whims, OR, in some way through his mercantile wisdom, may be able to strike a deal to Wally's detriment.
also since in the end of tennocon they kinda reveal that 1999 is not a seperate universe or anything like that... but straight up in the past... when the man in the wall got into the origin system at the end of new war.... he then followed Entrati back to 1999 and eventualy he would get to Parvos granum after waiting long enough and completing the loop... whatever he did inbetween going to 1999 and contacting parvos we dont know yet.....
also i think void tounge is straight up a whole language they made... unlike all the other languages in warframe its not just "reskinned english" proto-orokin is somewere inbetween were its all written phoneticaly unlike normal orokin.... but void toung i do belive is a whole real constructed language...
especialy since its in songs and has subtitles ingame.
But thats just a theory, well parts of it atleast and it seems to make sense
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I didn't consider Mara Lohk was reffering to us, but that's a good idea because if alberect heard it as much as we did he'd probably make note of it.
I also wonder if we have our own requium sequence that could possibly be a threat to our own immortality.
I think Parvos may not be saying everything about his origin. Him being uniquely sensitive to Wally could be similar to Rell's experience, however any contact with Wally always has a conduit. I suspect he may have come into contact with kuva somehow, just like we heard him for the first time in War Within.
One thing to consider is warframes officially were being produced during the war with the sentients no? Just before the Zariman stuff happened but after the Entrati discovered void travel and Albrechts encounter with the man in the wall. Thus, Granum would have had knowledge of this through that, not before entrati at all.
Furthermore, this means he could very well have stolen information albrecht had written about the void and potentially found a way to contact it in order to create his 'specter particle', or the theory was already invented by the Entrati family and it was part of the research he stole.
The actual timeline of stuff is always in a flux and its never directly stated, but granum absolutely was around during the old war.
Welp I just had a scary thought. What if the reason these lines said in the void tongue language we the players can't understand are said in in void tongue because it's meant to represent the fact that the man in the wall is actively breaking the 4th walk and talking directly to us, the player behind the screen, and that WE can't understand it because WE have yet to make the deal ourselves?
While the other times when we can understand what he's saying is because we are hearing him talk to the characters in game and are understanding what's said through them when its directed at them, being the reason for why those lines seemingly come through in English/whatever language you play the game in natively.
That is some Meta lore right there, and if this is the actial case, then Implications from a narrative standpoint is mindblowing amazing.
Can't believe that, after years, rewatching that Deadlock protocol final message, I finally saw what would end up being so big of foreshadowing:
"But what about you? Tell me; friend: what is it you... DESIRE?"
The Tenno are commonly called "Void Devils" at several points in the game
and what is a common theme associated with the Devil?
DESIRE
And who would be the equivalent of the Devil in Warframe?
Yup, probably Wally, have been suspecting it a lot since a few updates ago, but now I'm convinced, Parvos definitely has some kind of deal with Wally
Please don't ever stop with the Uranus jokes
I definitely don't plan to, lol
Hey I just wanted to say Eleanor asked "what a Mara Lolk is" how do you think she even heared it?
her dialogue is... troubling. I recorded it all today and will be working on a video with all the little things I uncovered there for this week.
I assume she read it from our minds as she is shown to be able to do that
@TheDsIEGE in one of the special previews that had the group messages someone said they heard a roar I think that roar was the man in the wall speaking on void tongue
@BaronVonToasst she may have also read Albert's mind
When I first entered the Mall, Elonor made a remark that she knows I'm there. She also later said that she expected two of us (or two of me). She is clearly talking directly to the Tenno, and she does so telepathically, so that leaves a possibility that she got that tidbit from us.
Ballas is a possibility.
Maybe the cost Lotus had to pay the void to hide the moon in the void was yeeting Erra and Ballas into the future?
It would explain why Natah remembers Erra being destroyed, and why Ballas just shows up, ageless and untouched by time, right after the moon is pulled out of the void.
Hmmm... interesting thought here...
When you explain warframe lore to a newbie: the newbie:" MY HEAD HURTS!"
The pause after "Within the deepest depths of Uranus" really caught me off guard 🤣
@12:05 That's when I fell in love with Parvos' character XD
I kind of assumed for a long time that Parvos has encountered the Man in the Wall because in his lore there was a *whisper* which helped him
Also in the song "Sleeping in the cold below" there's a sentence "There's a man on high with the devil in his eye, and a golden hand I'm told" while the devil in his eye could be the description of his personality. I still think it means he has encountered the man in the wall at some point
So there is Entrati-wally, and our Tenno-wally...now, maybe....Granum-wally...? And many, many more...
"through endless faces, countless forms, the multitude unfolds"...
lotus wally is also very likely since the ending of new war
@@TheDsIEGE yes, sir! Exactly.
Yeah, we also don't know the syntax of void tongues. There is nothing to indicate it is for instance set up in a manner to japanese, if only there were more context clues. But we know from in game lore that Lohk means void and xata means truth, but it could have a myriad of meanings. Don't know what Oull means, but a current hypothesis, it could mean Desire, as that word has been prominent throughtout the ordeal with Parvos Granum, and is a word not yet defined in void tongue. So this is pure speculation, but could Voull be the antithesis of Oull, meaning that what the man might be saying is something along the lines of "Want to deny the Void becoming truth?" But that is very, VERY speculative...
man I love Warframe and its lore. Shi give me chill every time
There's more jade lore next to teshin in the conclave area.
Showing my age here: "Who are you?" "What do you want?" Vorlons and Shadows playing chess with the universe until the pieces started fighting back.
interesting parallels there...
I would lose my shit if he’s a past version,the original indifference, if the void itself was brought to the eternalism “time-cube”(or whatever you can call warframe’s timeline) via his entrapment
18:11 I know it was probably just for identification purpose with his fake hand, but I do wonder if Parvos offering the deal to Vala with his left hand (instead of Wally using his right) has some (at least thematic) significance. While he calls out Nef for his new corpus essentially being a self-serving attempt to imitate the original, is Parvos essentially doing the same thing when offering his deals of power inside the void?
Almost like he's trying to mimic wally, maybe they could be at odds? Interesting thought
You are killing it with the puns sir xD
It's what I do!!!!
God damn I love Ballas. Lmao. Such a good villain.
The fact Parvos supposedly shuns sentimentality, but is pretty blatantly nostalgic for Ordan Karris and his bloody feats, speaks of a level of hypocrisy that would have the Indifference give one of its signature snide grins.
I've got my eye on Baro. What does he want with all of those prime parts? What's he got cooking up?
I am late...
Well, then... you owe me... so you should watch the whole video, lol
You are Late
That tone dip is so juicy though
Despite Parvos’ stance, his journey reflects that of Albert himself.
And just like Entrati, he seems…desperate.
Even with our party standing in direct opposition of Parvos’ ambition, there’s an itch in the back of my head, that he needs to be saved as well.
The Jade Light is known for disintegrating known-beings, shredding apart its information down to its most basic particles, a perfect weapon against the opposition of whoever is armed with the Jade Light…but, it is also rumored to be capable of rending even a soul, with the failed execution of Dagath.
If anything, denying Parvos of the super weapon known as the Jade Light, we may have also denied ourselves a possible weapon against dealing with entities beyond the wall - something that Parvos is absolutely withholding information on for one supposedly fluent in Void Tongue.
“And with this most recent assault within the depths of UrAnus……..” the pause killed me it’s like you wanted us to know you know 😂😂
The pause is everything. That's when you know it's good.
I think aside from the already known meanings of Mara other meanings can be read, understand and embrace. We know Lohk means void and I think aside from the meanings of child and demon that the three above also make sense. Read refers to the poem and the void wants us to understand and embrace it to a degree or completely, I bet only to a degree as I believe the other versions of us killed in the Zariman via the handshake were in extremes of void embrace, either no embrace or too much embrace, only the one in the middle surviving due to being balanced out. It also explains why the dialogue options of certain levels are white, grey or black, it's you're degree of void embrace and you're ideology as well as morals taking shape changing you're and you're dopplegangers appearance as you're ideology and morals change.
Well done with this insight
At first seeing Parvos, i thought him just another man from the old days attempting to bend things back to his day of being the one in charge. All his actions of wanting to take for himself, having the strength of women around him as his weapons instead of his soldiers, and seeing Jades gift as nothing moreso than a weapon to be wielded against those who oppose him. I still see him as that uet now....now, you have brought a new/old puppet master in as well
Desire
Capital D esire
This is the naming of a being or entity and not just some manifest destiny that i thought Parvos was on. This is something as you said, that has opened communication with him and is making him its mouthpiece.
Is this separate from Wally or is this another facet of TMITW?
Curious to find out more
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The corpus gathered Jade particles to create Jade Exmis, the grinier would clash with the corpus like they always do and hijacked that tech only for the grinier to pick a fight with the infested giving them jades light as well. This is why every faction in the game has Jade Exmis and I hate it. All it does is give the Exmis one overhead beam of FU energy and it always kills me.
it is pretty aggressive, lol
You can actually shoot and destroy crystal that is shooting these lasers at you
Your videos make me love the game even more!
Ordis: *chuckles* I'm in danger.
Okay but off topic why are we getting ANOTHER vehicle type when archwing rework is still in the vault along with k-drive and necramecha being hilariously underfleshed
Mostly for the new area... That being said, i hope it feels better than k drives, lol
What if the phrase is so simple as "DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW, (MARA LOHK)?"
I wonder if the sentence that we keep hearing, is what Parvos said to us, just different. Something like "Name your Desire, My Friend", it would explain why "Mara Lohk" is said, it translates to "My Friend".
Wouldn't that be something...
Im playing TFD at the moment and im not playing warframe....but always im hype about its story and want see where is going...
My theory is that the Indifference gives people the ability to understand Void Tongue is they give in to it. They are meant to be words understood by its followers. The Cavia could understand it because they were dying and wally soothed them. And as a reward for listening, he gave them the ability to understand. Parvos was desperate, and wally implamted a tempting idea in his head in which he saw power. And Parvos is more intetested in getting what he wants than the means of getting them. In reward, wally give him the ability to understand his mysterious language. Albrecht and us can't understand it because we reject it. Albrecht fears ut and tries to fight against it. We don't trust it and go against its deal. Loid ignores it because he listens to Albrecht.
There is another Parvos, but not just any Parvos...the Devil who is wearing his face.
Would Wally ever consider giving a significant portion of his power to a vessel like Parvos?
Edit : Siege, im fully convinced writers at DE take ideas from your introspective and tailor the story accordingly around, above or through your context implications
yes, he is quite disciplined which makes him quite formidable
I am struck by how the landscape of major players in the Warframe universe has exploded since the Lotus awakened the Tenno. With the appearance of the Sentients, Parvos Granum, Albrecht Entrati, the Indifference, the Narmer the simple objective of stemming Grineer expansion has given way into a confusing game of shifting alliances with conflicting "end-game" (narrative) objectives for these parties.
I am also struck by the words of the Lotus at that moment - "to restore balance" - and ponder its larger meaning, namely that of a cosmic arc that spans creation of existence to its end.
So could it be that the "Indifference" has been the prime mover all along? For out of "nothing" came the Big Bang and processes still unseen guide the evolution of the universe.
We were the catalyst that literally everyone was waiting for, whether they knew it or not...
*@DsIEGE* 💥
Parvos Granum is such a cool “antagonist”. Next to Vay Hex, of course. 👺 You couldn’t leave out your “Uranus” joke, could you? 🗿
“Won’t you lay me down under *Granun* *Crowns.”*
Vay hek is the Goat, it will always be that way. And I feel like the Uranus jokes have only just begun here on the channel...
Anybody else getting Thanos introduction vibes? He has the golden gauntlet and sits on a rock in the void
I'm starting to think that we need to look at Duviri as something else aside being the story of a book turned into reality. Picture it as some kind of board the Man in the Wall uses on which you can scribble on or erase with an eraser whenever you want whatever you like...like entire locations. Then you spoke about doppelgangers being a thing (which it's clear THEY ARE a thing) and something came to my mind, the figure of The Warden, he is the only one in ALL of Duviri saying that he is more than someone in Duviri, that he knows what's outside of there (probably talking about the Origin system on the other side of the Zariman).
So what if the Man in the Wall noticing Duviri popping up and seeing this guy acting like Ballas, took the idea of making it's doppelgangers more like off-springs than just a way to only show himself? From there he also made all of the Murmurs
I've had this same feeling for a while. There's more to that place than we know for certain
@@TheDsIEGE need to add a thing that might make my way of reasoning slightly less of a stretch. The fake Dax warriors are also able to shapeshift and they are basically void creatures
There's a man on high, with the devil in his eye
uh i forgot if you mentioned this
Just realized... I think the plan is something to the effect of The Indifference has now birthed enough Tenno using the Lotus as 'surrogate' and now they seek Jade for the ability to birth enough Warframes directly from Techocyte rather than slowly assembling them.
Why is the Prologue quest 'The Lotus Eaters' just after Jade Shadows with massive themes of motherhood
I could be totally wrong and we're just going into direct asymmetric warfare
My issue with the idea of birthing warframes directly is: A. unlike the slow assembly, it could take much longer for the children to become actually useful B. We still don't know WHEN jade became pregnant. My theroy is she may have been pregnant before being turned into a frame and ballas, being well...ballas, transformed her anyways...which is really fucked up and I kinda hope that's not the case but we have no idea
The next update being called Lotus eaters as a prologue to 1999 is...really curious. And kinda scary after the events of both Dante's Story and Belly of the Beast. In fact, Parvos being allied with the man in the wall is really interesting. Altough I will say....DE....This is cool and all ...but when are we gonna continue the grinner's story? They haven't gotten a large scale quest since War within :(.
I CAN'T WAIT! LOTUS VS WALLY? SIGN ME UP!
@@TheDsIEGE dear God that fight cutscene would go hard
The Lotus Eater
We were just speaking about that very thing and wouldn't you know it...
@@TheDsIEGE
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can you name the seven?
i need the warframe community to treat the games lore like elden ring fans do ong
I'm willing to bet Parvos staged his own betrayal. It's the only thing that explains why he would need a frame like Protea; he was planning ahead. No doubt the traitors imagined it was their own idea, but we know how Parvos can be a master manipulator. He needed to know who was weak and corrupt among the Corpus and for them to openly reveal themselves in order to weed them out, not by subterfuge but by the sheer bluntness of his ideology. Now, he surrounds himself with only the most devout of Corpus; the ones he considers worthy to inherit and lead his new empire.
Ordan Karris was one of the strongest orokin-era warriors, and as far as we know, he wasn't a Dax (presumably didn't had their type and level of body "augmentation").
If Ballas used his body to make an warframe (since Loid was not vitrified, and Ballas is the type of douche that infested pregnant woman and a senior dax), it would be one of the strongest warrior-themed warframes...like a mix between styanax/excalibur with valkyr/garuda.
To me Ordan will always be better than Ordis as a character. Sadly, Ordis is something different now, inhuman, weaker, more afraid; that was likely intentional in his glassing as punishment for his defiance and bravery, corrupting his very self-chosen nature to make him suffer, even unknowing, forever. I really hope they don't just make Parvos some shallow caricature of greed/corporatism. He has gone too far in my opinion, but his initial defiance of the Orokin is almost as inspiring as Ordan's. Wally, the Tenno, whatever destruction comes again from Tau and the Void, the blame lies with Albrecht and the rest of our monstrous descendants, the Orokin themselves. I long to stand on a heap of blueskins with Tagfer and Wally, laughing and making a new bargain for the future, and I trust Granum over the old ilk trying to regain their grip on the origin system, for certain.
I had always hoped WE would find a way to get ordis more engaged, so the twist in this story is quite interesting. it will be very interesting to see where this eventually heads, I'm really surprised DE put that in there.
@@TheDsIEGE definitely going to be so interesting!
... Corpus eye decals.... They are wally's wtf.
Interesting, yes?
question. Why wally is a Vitruvian man? Did Da Vinci meddle with powers he didn't understand? Did he encounter the man in the wall too?
I believe it's related to the message behind the vitruvian man, squaring the circle or in no uncertain terms a representation of the body and mind, a harmony of science and spiritual, which is in theory what Entrati has always been. A man of science who continues to delve into the arcane to bridge the gap. I think the vitruvian form represents the perverted form of that, kind of like Entrati's personality manifested into an actual horrific monster. Almost like how the ghostbusters conjured stay puft, only much darker and more deadly.
im also here for the comments
Hey if you go to teshin Dax and you look behind him there's a feather that talks about jades life before she became a frame
That's a pretty crazy story huh?
@@TheDsIEGE yes can get a before and after view when jade becomes a frame and a small section of how the tenno felt of piloting the frames or just her operator instead and then last we see how she reacted when the tenno's attack happened the night of the Naga drums
If Jade was the sister of Ordan could account for the cephalon's intense loyalty to her remains, but is that plausible?
Consider: as Orokin society was a rigid genetic caste system, family bloodlines would be central to selection of the service role of individuals. Thus being related accounts for the exceptionalism of Jade and Ordan as well as the high level of responsibility they were given by the Orokin. Additionally, it would be provide a convenient reason for their disobedience to Orokin legums as that behavioral "anomaly" could be a share trait.
Interesting theory. They definitely had a history but it's tough to nail down specifics with such little info from him
What is the void tileset? I thought it was just orokin towers, but they would still all be destroyed.
Is it possible that from the start we have been traveling back in time and never knew or thought about it?
I believe the void to be a kind of mirror to our own, the world within the vast dark of the universe. These towers seemed to have been hidden within the void originally and have "bled" into ours...