“A Battlecruiser is a ship with battleship guns but is more lightly armoured than a battleship” FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THE DEFINITION CORRECTLY. I’m so tired of people saying that a Battlecruiser is a ship with battleship guns and cruiser speed, which is incorrect.
Njaa it has less armor to gain a far larger speed .... so hunting battle cruiser with battle ships ... though Borodino doesn't compared with for example Zao have torpedoes so less risk getting a bunch of them in your face while hunting Borodino. Someone (Aetam) had a game where the opposition went hunting their CVs but a Roma did a fair job of being rear guard so the enemy didn't got the CVs. While they lost one cv.
To be fair the best representation of a BC was Hood, which ended up with comparable armor to the Queen Elizabeth-class despite being designed much lighter initially. Battlecruiser is pretty useless as a descriptor.
@@almightydeity I would say the best representation of a BC is different across different nations. Alaska fits a better representation than Hood because she was lighter than a battleship but had battleship guns for taking out battleships. Compared to the WWI Germans who, as Vulture stated, were battleships with smaller guns
Not compact, rather light armed battleship hence few guns and weak protection, that's said it still a pretty damn big and heavy ship (45k tons as designed).
It's actually impossible to citadel from the nose, ignoring the length of the bow. There's a hidden blessing by Stalin eerrrm I mean 50mm internal deck, making it physically impossible as usual for Soviet "snipers".
The nose is so long that it would be impossible anyway. No shell would get through the nose, arm, and still get to the citadel. I think this might be the longest bow in the entire game.
@@Aerroon That's true but you know.. Kinda whatever. If a shell goes through there, a shell goes through there. You just take it. You can still dodge most shells by having a slim figure... Her AA looks great too.
@@Aerroon no auto bounce on the upper, but that icebreaker is still liable to bounce and only ranged shots should citadel easily. You still sacrifice a lot for T8 high velocity 16"s.
I suppose every Russian ship having an icebreaker is probably the most realistic thing about most of them. I mean they would need it just to leave Port.
Where is it's freeboard? It's one thing to give ships good armor and make the citadel difficult to pen but this BS of not being able to hit Soviet ships broadside cause not enough of it is above the water is getting ridiculous. At this rate they should take flooding dot during hurricanes.
She basically has 4 Petros of freeboard though. She's got decent armor to angle with but she's remarkably easy to punish for the slightest mistake minus that Russian 50mm nose plate. She'll eat more pens than petro but you're about as likely to citadel through that long nose
Nice video Aerroon. Did you reccomend Warspite in the current meta? I want to play a fun ship without much rage and can do the job done. My favorite is Jean Bart.
@@danh7411 I have been fighting against a few in ranked, she can hit pretty damn hard and isn't an easy target to deal with, but with her being so slow one can run/hide/kite her pretty well. If you like BB's, are OK with slow ships and can position well, and can aim you will do well.
Arizona is highly recommended as an all round BB... The smaller caliber, 12 very accurate guns with Plunging fire leads to a lot of good hits and less overpens than Warspite. It has great range so its not terrible when Uptiered. 12 guns also tend to be more consistent and less trollish/frustrating than 6. Arizona is Fantastic for learning BB fundamentals.. its fairly maneuverable, good armor, but rewards Angling. Learning to watch shots, you can fire 6 front guns, wait for enemy shells, then quickly turn and fire the back 6 and be able to angle again before the next volley comes. I highly recommend Arizona just as an all round good, solid, carry capable ship. Smaller caliber works better vs Cruisers & T6 tends to have a *lot* of Cruisers
Yeah, I take the Constellation and the just announced returning Missouri for Radar BBs over this ship. The guns seem nice, but only 6 guns just doesn’t do anything for me when I am going to get cross map deleted by a stiff breeze.
it‘s so the ships length-width ration is preserved, which is (irl) necessary for high speeds :) she isnt actually that much longer than other T8 BBs, just looks like it because of the strange turret layout
I’m a firm believer that no mods should be abound in wows. I see yours and it shows what angle the enemy ship is and what’s the nose and what’s the stern. Line of sight should be your actions not a stupid mod
Alas the glorious Soviet navy gets yet another Cold War fantasy ship while the Germans dig out their WWI blueprints to compete. WG will never change...
DDs are always more threatening to let live. Even a 1-2k HP DD can secure a victory by just capping and contesting. Kaga that late in the game is liable to be 2/3 squads on her TBs given how bad the player was. Not to mention how bullshit shooting a near-broadside CV is. Feels like "will for victory" is on for most salvos.
Ranged shots will be more effective. Problem is with German BBs is that vertical dispersion they have as well. I know IJN BBs can very easily punish this ship from ideal distances. Don't expect citadels from average AP though
I really dislike how weegee is making cap skils depended ships - to make ships workable you need unique build to utilize all gimmicks and negate weaknesses just like with weimar.
Higher velocity though. Russian 406/50 is so much better than Lenin's 45's. Sure you lose out on 30% of your alpha but most times Lenin will be forced to only use 2/3 turrets or risk pens if you're off by 5-6° on your angle.
I'd argue the consistency of those 50 cals at close would already be pretty worth it for the tier. Her only major weaknesses are over-angling and snipers when she's bow-tanking. Beyond that she's a fantastic cruiser killer and flanker.
WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER RADAR CRUISER/BBIN GAME. I'm not a DD player, but FUCK the amount of radars that my DD friends have to play with. They pretty much won't play any more because every t8+ game a few radars on the enemy team
That bow is so long and without any useful object on it. Like seriously other would have AA gun at there but that long useless bow of this ship has nothing
Speed and speed and speed, though fluid dynamics is partly invisible in World of Warships (otherwise destroyers would be far more careful about coming near a friendly BB.... close enough will create a suction between the two bodies..) Fluid dynamics ? One problem with the large french destroyers in WWII were that they were somewhat hard to keep at station while going fast together with the french fast BBs (which they partly were built for.) It was so bad so it was in fact possible to collide with the larger ship....
Destroyers tend to be the scarier ships in the immediate future than the CV. One of the reasons CVs are as strong as they are is because they can spot destroyers.
What's longer: Borodino's bow or War & Peace, which begins with a wonderful description of the Battle of... Borodino?
the bow of Vladivostok maybe ?
Or Sovietsky Soyuz
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“A Battlecruiser is a ship with battleship guns but is more lightly armoured than a battleship” FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THE DEFINITION CORRECTLY. I’m so tired of people saying that a Battlecruiser is a ship with battleship guns and cruiser speed, which is incorrect.
Njaa it has less armor to gain a far larger speed ....
so hunting battle cruiser with battle ships ... though Borodino doesn't compared with for example Zao have torpedoes so less risk getting a bunch of them in your face while hunting Borodino.
Someone (Aetam) had a game where the opposition went hunting their CVs but a Roma did a fair job of being rear guard so the enemy didn't got the CVs. While they lost one cv.
That definition is off though, the German battlecruisers during WW1 had battleship levels of armour but smaller guns.
To be fair the best representation of a BC was Hood, which ended up with comparable armor to the Queen Elizabeth-class despite being designed much lighter initially. Battlecruiser is pretty useless as a descriptor.
@@TheStefanskoglund1 so what different to large cruiser
@@almightydeity I would say the best representation of a BC is different across different nations. Alaska fits a better representation than Hood because she was lighter than a battleship but had battleship guns for taking out battleships. Compared to the WWI Germans who, as Vulture stated, were battleships with smaller guns
Ahh yes, the ship that you had no idea about just a few days ago...also she's a long girl
That match was almost 2 months ago though. That's why I said "at the time".
@@Aerroon U lied? my faith in humanity restored xD
Soviets proposes a compact battleship on a budget. Ends up longer than an Iowa.
Not compact, rather light armed battleship hence few guns and weak protection, that's said it still a pretty damn big and heavy ship (45k tons as designed).
holy smoke this ship got nose so long you can make her a hybrid aircraft carrier
Don't give them ideas...
@@angrach6569 thank you
...Aaand months later that's exactly what they'll do!
Oh,no 😐
@@angrach6569 too late! Check out the Kiev-class/Admiral Gorshkov CV
It's actually impossible to citadel from the nose, ignoring the length of the bow. There's a hidden blessing by Stalin eerrrm I mean 50mm internal deck, making it physically impossible as usual for Soviet "snipers".
The nose is so long that it would be impossible anyway. No shell would get through the nose, arm, and still get to the citadel. I think this might be the longest bow in the entire game.
Stern deck makes me think:
*hidden vodka generator powering the engine? Pog?*
Therapist: Russian Richelieu isn't real, it can't hurt you
Russian Richelieu:
Thank you Aerroon, excellent analysis of the Borodino. Especially appreciate the heads-up on her armor and secondaries.
Basically a Stalingrad hull, so you’d know how weak the broadside armor is
She looks like a fun ship. Frontal guns, radar, Kuznetzov... Is fun.
25mm bow tho
@@Aerroon That's true but you know.. Kinda whatever. If a shell goes through there, a shell goes through there. You just take it. You can still dodge most shells by having a slim figure...
Her AA looks great too.
It’s basically a Stalingrad at tier 8 with bigger guns but less of them that can specc into fire prevention.
Yep, but no improved autobounce angles.
@@Aerroon no auto bounce on the upper, but that icebreaker is still liable to bounce and only ranged shots should citadel easily. You still sacrifice a lot for T8 high velocity 16"s.
World of Russian Fantasy Warships...
That icebreaker was so obvious :D
I would ve been surprised if it hasnt one.
I suppose every Russian ship having an icebreaker is probably the most realistic thing about most of them.
I mean they would need it just to leave Port.
Bow main turrets only? Did the Soviet devs steal this design from the French devs?
Where is it's freeboard? It's one thing to give ships good armor and make the citadel difficult to pen but this BS of not being able to hit Soviet ships broadside cause not enough of it is above the water is getting ridiculous. At this rate they should take flooding dot during hurricanes.
This ship is taller than Vladivostok. Most BBs have less freeboard than her.
What? Borodino's freeboard is gigantic with 220mm citadel belt, that's enough for AP rocket cit from Manfred
@@danh7411 must just have been the angle of the recording it looked like a lot less
@@sleepygryph I wonder if you even watch video, Aeroon zoomed multiple times (even at beginning) show her massive broadside height.
She basically has 4 Petros of freeboard though. She's got decent armor to angle with but she's remarkably easy to punish for the slightest mistake minus that Russian 50mm nose plate. She'll eat more pens than petro but you're about as likely to citadel through that long nose
The secondary guns look like Nevsky guns right?
They are nevsky guns
They are Nevsky guns.. but nerfed. Useless guns.
*obligatory we have Stalingrad at home meme*
Surviveability More like a cruiser? So a Soviet cruiser, so more durable than other nations battleships...
I was thinking more like a regular cruiser. The dutch cruisers literally have more citadel protection than this battleship.
It's a mixed bag. Sure, 50mm deck, 60mm ice breaker but 220mm cit belt, that's enough for Manfred to AP rocket and cit you
Please, explain to me how just 3 pens and no citadels can cause 10k damage at 2:48?? My BB doesnt act that way yet enemy BBs do to mine.
That is quite a schnozz there? Thanks Aerroon.
Cause the turret place further back, she have some of the most compact superstructure and deck length of any BB.
Sooooo long, wait, that's what she said!
Nice video Aerroon. Did you reccomend Warspite in the current meta? I want to play a fun ship without much rage and can do the job done. My favorite is Jean Bart.
I don't know about that. A lot of people like Warspite. I didn't used to like her. I haven't played her in a long time though.
Warspite is one of the best tier 6 BB with Fuso, West Virginia and Izmail tho if you don't like slow ships, she won't be for you
@@danh7411 I have been fighting against a few in ranked, she can hit pretty damn hard and isn't an easy target to deal with, but with her being so slow one can run/hide/kite her pretty well.
If you like BB's, are OK with slow ships and can position well, and can aim you will do well.
Arizona is highly recommended as an all round BB... The smaller caliber, 12 very accurate guns with Plunging fire leads to a lot of good hits and less overpens than Warspite. It has great range so its not terrible when Uptiered.
12 guns also tend to be more consistent and less trollish/frustrating than 6.
Arizona is Fantastic for learning BB fundamentals.. its fairly maneuverable, good armor, but rewards Angling.
Learning to watch shots, you can fire 6 front guns, wait for enemy shells, then quickly turn and fire the back 6 and be able to angle again before the next volley comes.
I highly recommend Arizona just as an all round good, solid, carry capable ship. Smaller caliber works better vs Cruisers & T6 tends to have a *lot* of Cruisers
@@martinpalmer6203 I see. I'll check out Arizona
It’s literally Nelson but it has a radar instead of superheal
Is that angle add on can be downloaded alone without any other mod? If so where? Thanks
I think it has to come from a mod pack.
Big, clumsy glass canon? i take it.
Looks like a ship Pinnochio would sail ;~)
Or maybe Buratino? (Long nosed puppet like Pinocchio)
WG: Deletes Lenin
WG: Introduces worse Lenin with Radar..
makes sense...
Yeah, I take the Constellation and the just announced returning Missouri for Radar BBs over this ship. The guns seem nice, but only 6 guns just doesn’t do anything for me when I am going to get cross map deleted by a stiff breeze.
Long ship is long... wtf did they drink/smoke/inject this time o.O
it‘s so the ships length-width ration is preserved, which is (irl) necessary for high speeds :) she isnt actually that much longer than other T8 BBs, just looks like it because of the strange turret layout
@@juri8723 Actually she is longer than Iowa, is influenced on Stalingrad hull (fine line and narrow for high speed demand).
seems like wg has NELSON envy LOL
Nah, this is Richelieu envy. Nelson envy was Lenin
@@almightydeity Ur right, every Nelson envies Lenin :p
Unfortunately Consumables Enhancements going away in 0.10.7.
The skill is replaced with "Brisk".
The Summer of the Battlecruisers
Whats the reticle you have that shows the targets aspect to you?
Only in Russia a tier 8 battleship is one consisting of tier 9 BB guns/half a nevsky in secondaries and a stalingrad hull + the radar
What the heck, it basically looks like a Russian Richelieu!
It's way bigger though. This ship is longer than Iowa.
When you think about armor, which is more stressful Florida or Borodino?
Borodino. Larger citadel and tier higher.
@@Aerroon really. I better not buy this one.
I hate too much soft armor BB.
I don't feel to buy any recent announced ship this year.
lol those two secondairies in the back are a joke
one shell hits the water next to the ship and the other shell hits 5km away "realistic"
6:58 for those wondering. I came down to here to mock them, too
I'll call this ship a RADARINO for now. LEL
It gets normal Repair party? Mkay.
It will be fun to crush this with Lenin :)
I’m a firm believer that no mods should be abound in wows. I see yours and it shows what angle the enemy ship is and what’s the nose and what’s the stern. Line of sight should be your actions not a stupid mod
Alas the glorious Soviet navy gets yet another Cold War fantasy ship while the Germans dig out their WWI blueprints to compete. WG will never change...
i recon that a tier 3 battle ship can sink that this
you would need to get good shots on her... while she is definitely able to run away while giving a good nose bleed...
If those T3s can even hit a long slim bow. Few things are more frustrating than bow-aimed salvos straddling either side harmlessly.
Hi, are you using mod or what setting that the secondaries turn around and u can see AA firing. I can't see it on mine :(
it's a setting, "animate small objects", no clue where it is
but it is in the base game
@@sillysaili Thank you..I turn it off long tiime ago :D
How come her back turrets don’t turn?
They're secondaries. They only turn if they have an angle to fire and something is close enough.
Put all the main armament forward, you gotta do something to balance the weight 😀
is it worth it to improve the duration of 12km radar? yes the answer is always yes
its not the ship, its the team that makes a difference in a game
0:30 that’s what she said
Shouldn't a BatCruiser have a BatCave ?
vs tier 8 o 9?
Borodino has a stalingrad hull
Can she be obtained with coal?
RU battle cruisers before British cuz wargaming LOL
Chuckes in German
Sheeesh
Well i have constellation so idk why id grab this lol
Interesting ship maybe it's fun to play and looks like a mini slava
How so????? For starters; this has 2 turrets and Slava has 3?
Please explain yourself as to how they look even remotely similar?
25mm bow, plus hidden plating...?
Hidden plating wouldn't stop pens though.
You sound like a Santa when you do "oh ho ho ho". :D
You chose overpens on a DD over shooting a broadside Kaga? Your game, your call.
DDs are always more threatening to let live. Even a 1-2k HP DD can secure a victory by just capping and contesting. Kaga that late in the game is liable to be 2/3 squads on her TBs given how bad the player was.
Not to mention how bullshit shooting a near-broadside CV is. Feels like "will for victory" is on for most salvos.
Im 4hrs in, with my 11 hour night shift, lets roll 😂
Hope it helps a little!
yeah, russian Siegfried except better, on T8?
not op? every salvo 6 to 7k! in my bismarck i mostly do 1 to 2k salvos, because it hits nothing and when it overpens.....
Perhaps better aim could help?
Ranged shots will be more effective. Problem is with German BBs is that vertical dispersion they have as well. I know IJN BBs can very easily punish this ship from ideal distances. Don't expect citadels from average AP though
I really dislike how weegee is making cap skils depended ships - to make ships workable you need unique build to utilize all gimmicks and negate weaknesses just like with weimar.
Weimar still is a T7 cruiser though. Beyond the dakka, she's still going to see less use than Belfast or Atlanta at her tier.
Not firing at broadside kaga gave me autism
For the same money of the Lenin, a worse ship with - 1 turret and Battlecruiser armor?
Higher velocity though. Russian 406/50 is so much better than Lenin's 45's. Sure you lose out on 30% of your alpha but most times Lenin will be forced to only use 2/3 turrets or risk pens if you're off by 5-6° on your angle.
If they reduce the reload time to between 17-20 secs then maybe it will worth it
It would be OP. These are Soyuz guns on a tier below Soyuz with already better dispersion, better sigma and a faster reload.
I'd argue the consistency of those 50 cals at close would already be pretty worth it for the tier. Her only major weaknesses are over-angling and snipers when she's bow-tanking. Beyond that she's a fantastic cruiser killer and flanker.
WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER RADAR CRUISER/BBIN GAME. I'm not a DD player, but FUCK the amount of radars that my DD friends have to play with. They pretty much won't play any more because every t8+ game a few radars on the enemy team
So let them reverse into cap and make the eneny waist it
Spot and encourage the BBs to give the radar cruisers a bit of shells ?
Because WG does not care about balance just money.
Tbf T8's got bigger issues than glassjaw BCs with radar. None of them are meta outside of Missouri, but of course that's returning as well.
Awe more fictional Russian warships that are OP, no surprise.
Napoleon is turning in his grave.
That bow is so long and without any useful object on it. Like seriously other would have AA gun at there but that long useless bow of this ship has nothing
Speed and speed and speed, though fluid dynamics is partly invisible in World of Warships (otherwise destroyers would be far more careful about coming near a friendly BB.... close enough will create a suction between the two bodies..)
Fluid dynamics ? One problem with the large french destroyers in WWII were that they were somewhat hard to keep at station while going fast together with the french fast BBs (which they partly were built for.) It was so bad so it was in fact possible to collide with the larger ship....
Yeah, cause we need more CV's and radar in the game.......
I mean why not just give every fucking ship radar, reload boost, 6km hydro
Or 1 ship that has all of that in one... Also 1.9 sigma with Russian railguns!
Using the Navigator at you skill level. Thats pretty sad!
That mod should be unavailable at T7 and above.
Radar reveals the sky cancer and Destroyer.
Smacks the destroyer with AP.
Not the best play in terms of hindsight.
Destroyers tend to be the scarier ships in the immediate future than the CV. One of the reasons CVs are as strong as they are is because they can spot destroyers.
I thought that she is an Italian ship lol
Low Rider
Dutch better? that can't be right. WG this ship needs to be fixed lol
Gekoloniseerd
this ship is perfect example of everything what is wrong with wows....
We don't need any more new ships in this game
Sovjet radar technology is the best in the world ... duh
Great… more Russian fantasy ships. More long range radar… great.
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Another gimmicky BS ship for WG whale hunting