Test & Review: 2020 MV Agusta F3 800, part 1
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2020
- www.DaveMossTuning.com
Well, we've hit the big time! A manufacturer has finally given us a press bike to test. Thank you, MV Agusta. Luckily we don't have to blow sunshine up your arse. Your bike is, in fact, excellent. While no motorcycle is perfect, your 2020 F3 800 is a brilliant machine that every rider would love to own. Our aim here is to help riders understand that, and help riders who do buy one to get most out of it.
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I love Dave Moss. No drama, practiced but not slick. You can tell he loves racing, and loves helping racers tune and learn to tune their bikes. IMHO this is the the kind of help you want. Thanks for the good work Dave.
Thanks for the kind words Jonathan. I try my best with every single rider I meet :)
Outstanding Dave and Dave. By far the most comprehensive video so far. Most people will appreciate how much work goes into putting this together. Best wishes for Christmas and the new year.
Glad you enjoyed it and remember the process works for any rider and their motorcycle.
Merry Christmas! And thank you for quoting metric measurements for everything!
ESSENTIAL watching by anyone who gives a shit about their bikes. Thanks Dave.
Thank you!, Hwy 190 from Porterville through Springville to Quaking Aspen
Agreed. This bike setup guide should be part of the MSF course. Very comprehensive.
It's so Great seeing these in depth videos. I learn so much watching them. Especially multiple times.
2nd Dave, thank you for putting both metric/imperial units wherever you can so anyone can easily understand. 1st Dave even I've seen every single you record for the past 1.5 years (and videos before as well), I'm still looking even on basic setup with maximum attention, still have something to learn. Thank you and marry christmas
I sincerely appreciate you leveraging the content and increasing your knowledge base!
Incredible process walk-trough! I absolutely love how you explain the reasoning of what you are doing and why you are doing it!
Best Christmas present, thank you!
Merry Christmas for the Daves!
Thanks so much!
As always, thank you for saving our motorcycle experience on a daily basis. Merry Christmas to you, Dave and Dave, giving myself a premium membership has been by far the best present I've done to myself in a long long time. Ciao from Italia!!! 😃😛
Our pleasure!
Thanks for this invaluable lesson in bike setting up. Have a Happy New Year!
Just seen this info and it is AWSOME thank you so much this will help me have more understanding with my bikes and make me a better rider. Keep teaching and you all be safe out there
Wow! What an education in setting up a new bike, from setting up the ergonomics to reading the tires. I only wish I had a new MV ! Thanks Dave.
Excellent, a must watch and be ready to take notes. Thank you!
Merry Christmas to The Daves! What a fantastic setup + review. Please do more of these. Especially with nakeds pls
Dave, absolute genius you have an exceptional talent, and make a real complicated and complex subject make alot more sense, many many thanks from a UK rider. Rob.
Thank you Rob. Glad you enjoyed the video and hope it empowers you to hav a go yourself!
A good friend imported this same model from the USA. Really appreciated this video. Excellent work. Watched this in Guyana, South America.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video ! I wish we had a suspension guru like you on the French UA-cam. Your videos are essential to every motorcyclist !
Merry Christmas !
Thanks! 👍
Excellent, excellent. So good I had to say that twice! I enjoyed following the process and pulling together all the stuff I've seen in your other videos
Start with ergo's then fork bottom out followed by rebound damping in that order :)
I am not jealous 😁
Wish you both a merry Christmas, a happier new year and more subscribers.
Your accent is all over the shop! but this is a bloody good video for setting up any bike, and that MV looks lovely! thank you for this no nonsense, well explained video!
Greetings from Germany. Thanks for the great video about the gorgeous mv agusta f3. I've got a 675 ✌🏿 looking forward to the following videos of the mv!
Hope you have enjoyed the series so far and part 3 will be coming out soon.
Super Vid Dave, cheers... Just bought an F3 and the susp needs set up properly.. Great help on here 👍
Great content! So technically accurate and thorough. Hard to find this level of expertise on UA-cam.
Thank you for your supportive comments.
This was incredibly useful for the F3 I just purchased. Thanks Dave!
Learned so much about configuring the bike to your self… thanks
…amazing content and a plethora of educational content. Hats of mate! 👏👏
This man is a damn wizard with assessing bike geometry and handling. Jeez
A great Christmas gift, this video!
Have a Merry Christmas, and get into 2021 safely and healthily, folks!
Happy holidays!
Merry Christmas you two cant ride until probably March or April well steady riding anyway this is the next best thing never have enough knowledge when it comes to setting up my suspension
What a great Christmas Gift for your subscribers as a video! Merry Christmas Dave!
Same to you!
Very fine video, Dave. Really educational and much appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it!! Thank for taking the time to comment.
Yes Dave! Emailed the other day - London - Christmas came early
Great Videos Dave I absolutely Love and Appreciate the Video's yourself and Mr Williams are giving to us, amazing information. I find myself saying what needs doing now even before you say it in the video. Thank you 💖
Thanks for making time to learn new skills via our videos and become more aware of what needs to be set up for you and your motorcycle! I hope with that understanding, you can pay it forward via conversation.
Excellent! I've got a F800 RC 2016, and have never set it up for myself. No excuse now!
I’m in love with these bikes have Been eyeing them perfect timing
DO IT!!!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New year to you when it gets here Dave.
Same to you!
@@catalystreactionsbw cheers Dave.
Very Merry Christmas to you Dave. See you soon
Your so damn good on explaining what you do!
Keep the great job going 🙌
Thank you - glad it makes sense :)
What an incredible video.
That was a super good video Dave. You always go great work.
Thank you for watching - glad we are creating content you enjoy!
My Xmas present Dave !
Happy Xmas from Hadrian’s wall and all the best for 2021
one of my all time favorite bikes some day ill own one
Super awesome Dave! I have the same bike... excellent ! Big help! Thanks!
Thanks for the upload! Merry Christmas guys!
Same to you!
Thank you for a brilliant video. I have a 2019 Brutale 800 and I will now be able to make some adjustments for a better ride thanks to your content.
Glad it helped!
Wow, loved this review. And the bike is my dream bike, my dream company. It is a masterpiece. Congrats on your channel and your video.
Thank you very much and I appreciate you taking the time to share your kind words!
Beautiful bike , thanks Dave. Finally something good in 2020
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great job Dave! Can´t wait to watch part 2. Will you explain to us the "Custom" map settings too?
Congratulations dave....merry Christmas and happy new year's.
Same to you!
outstanding video cheers
Thank you for the entire Thinking and evaluating process
My pleasure and thank you for watching! Hope this inspires you to make changes and if you do, please share the results.
I can do that Dave (said the red eye). As you wish here a few results =)
Actually you inspired me years ago, with the freemium knowledge around of yours, to be willing to adjust my bikes. And therefore to critically question settings, whether they are more or less comfortable, safe or unsafe.
To ergonomics:
Adjusting break- and clutchlever on the handlebars felt good, and I did error on the side of beeing a little too low (without ever having to chase the break/always by instinct beeing able to immediatly find the breaklever) rather too high. Rule was, arms and wrist in a anatomical natural elongation (line).
It felt fine, however after around 2 hours of riding there was a slight stinging in the fingertip of the Middle Finger, whilst pulling the break. Obviously the ring-ligament got stressed a little from the pull in an unfavourable angle. Raising the breaklever about 2mm fixed that, from there on no matter how long the ride there was never a sting again. Wrist was fine as well, since it forms the straight line as mentioned above.
Coming from you, I did also drop the clutchlever for the foot a little more than I was used to. There was never a comfortissue to begin with, however once I started to become a unity with my bike, getting used to powerdelivery, there was the rare occasion of a false neutral. The gearbox needs a firm "foot" that is clear, but under high acceleration-load it was more prone to false neutrals. The issue however was me, my foot with lack of force in that situation. Dropping the foot-clutch-lever 2 teeth, to get it a bit lower, got me the right leverage for those situations. It was a riders issue, but the change in position made it easier for me to proper shift gears.
On Supension:
Upgraded the rear shock with an aftermarket, bcz A) OEM had only 3 clicks of adjustment, B) more importantly I had zero free sag if the rider Sag was correct. Spring too soft. Aftermarket shock fixed it.
More important though, front fork has 3 clicks total, and was as per manual set to 3 clicks out. Preload was right in the middle. This combination yielded me a Pogostick-front. And actually when going downhill on enginebreaking at lets say 40km/h, I would take my hands of the handlebar and the front would oscillate a little. Just a few millimeter, but enough to be a visible pre-stage of a tankslapper. Highly Unstable and Usafe! This would be amplified on tougher roads or higher speeds for sure.
Fork oil change to thicker oil and adding preload got me to into the "down up standstill"-bounce area. However on a very hot summerday it still wants to go for a second bounce. I will have to try one step thicker oil, going to 20W and see how it works.
Ohh yeah, I added a bunch of preload, bcz I was almost bottoming the front on twisties, and for sure reached mechanical bottom when practicing emergency breaking to a standstill.
The bike mentioned here is a Kawasaki ZZR 600, built '97, bought from a dealer as used first hand bike, which was decomissioned for almost 10years in the garage of the previous owner. I wanted to add a bike, that can handle twisties and long motorcycle travels, and is in good basic shape. No electronic shenanigans and to improve riding upon.
Take care!
@@faithpath8283 Excellent work and thank you very much for sharing all of your experiences for everyone to learn from, no matter what they ride! A tip of the hat to you!
Excellent job!!! Merry Christmas from greece!!
Thank you! Cheers!
absolutely marvelous video. a wealth of information I feel most riders overlook. and I get it, proper setup take time and test ride and adjustment and more time and I guess could be considered boring. but proper suspension setup can transform a bike from meh to oh hell yeah
By far the most detailed review ever. Thank you very much sir 🙏😍. Have a happy Christmas celebration with your family and stay safe always. Can’t wait for part 2.
Muqsit from Malaysia
Thank you :) Part 2 will be mid to late January!
@@catalystreactionsbw nice. Looking forward to it 😁👍
Nice video! Merry Christmas from the Netherlands!
Happy holidays!
A fantastic video! really looking forward to what may be next :)
Thank you very much!
Great video. I own a dragster 800rr. That triple is awesome
It sure is!
Great setup review! Its good that you cover the basics and technical aspects of a proper setup. That way every individual can modify their own setup slightly for their needs.. ..you know when someone is a cyclist when they talk about "sit bones" lol! Merry Christmas
Thank you - I don't try to emulate traditional reviews at I feel they miss the mark - it is all about the owner and what they need to make the bike work well for them.
I don't own an MV and probably never will but when I see you put up something so comprehensive I just had to watch. I am running Rosso Corsa II as well (and really like them after several set of supercorsas and one set of Rosso III) so was interesting to see what you had to say about the tires. You haven't touched my Tuono in nearly 5 years but I have gotten a fair bit quicker on her since that time so hopefully I can make it to one of the track days you are working this next year for a more dialed in setting.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Love the Ross II's far more than the III's as they are very difficult to dial in right with hot pressures due to too many soft compounds.
Thanks for this video and setup
Any time!
Nice one Dave
Bikes based off the Cagiva 500 series are still the sweetest looking almost 30 years later.
Merry Christmas!
What an awesome video. Gotta try tuning my 2000 F4 750...!
Please have a go and use the 6 steps video to get you started: ua-cam.com/video/0kCGoDjtnM4/v-deo.html
I wish we have someone like him here in the Philippines.
Thanks Dave. I need to look into my F3 suspension settings next season. My initial impressions are that it's too stiff. Rode it this season with stock settings. And yup the mirrors suck. I put convex mirrors on to see.
It will be interesting to see how much fork and shock travel you use to show if it is indeed stiff or actually too soft.
More reviews please, especially gear like tires, pads, and knobs, and etc
Christmas has come early !
I have been waiting for long for this episode
Fantastic review and explaination of how to set-up this bike. Can´t wait to watch the 2nd part
Will be at the end of January latest. Holidays are getting in the way!
@@catalystreactionsbw Greeting from Spain, happy Holidays
@@dongxu2059 Same to you and all th best for 2021!
I love that bike .
Nice bike!
Thank you
love 25:06 haha, now I will use this when checking my pressure instead of rolling back and forth
Nice ball bag adjustment at 18:52 Dave. 😂
Perfect video
Glad you think so!
Qué video tan genial! 👌🏻
Vidéo au top
Great video ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you!!
It’s a great bike, if it only start! I owned one but I sold it as it was hard to start most of the time and MV couldn’t fix my bike.
mine would sporadically stop by itself instead- same with the unable to fix
Which model? The Euro4 generation? They have a new sprag cluch so it's very strange that you would have that trouble. If you have an older MV Agusta which has the older version of the sprag clutch then you could've just retrofitted that with the new sprag clutch and the problem would've gone away.
ua-cam.com/video/vZa7U9lYdY4/v-deo.html
Also, with basically all Italian bikes you always have to make sure your battery is one of the good enough quality ones like Yuasa. If you don't buy the right kind of battery no matter what you do you'll always have problems.
Also, did you try squeezing the clutch lever just a slight bit when it didn't start? The few times my pre-Euro4 MV didn't want to start all I had to do was squeeze the clutch lever a slight bit and it started (I'm not saying that will help in all cases).
@@pistonburner6448 yes Euro 4 at MV Augusta Thailand they were aware of the sprag clutch they took months to try to fix the bike and they gave it to me back without being fixed it was still hard to start. So disappointed they couldn’t fix it cause the engine was great!
@@Miguelito0oO None of what you're saying makes any sense. "They were aware of the sprag clutch"??? "Couldn't fix it"?? What does that mean?? If they're aware of it as of course they were then they'd change it into a new one and it would be fixed!
First of all the starting problems of MV Agustas are always fixed and always have been, it just possibly came back after some time in the past with the old design which is not used anymore and can be replaced on all bikes. How old was your bike? What battery was in it? And so you say that "hard to start"...so it actually did start but you just complain about it not firing up on the first try every time, that's your issue? Let me guess: you heard the stories about the starting problems and then you went to the mechanic, who said the bike works fine as far as they can see...
And if "they couldn't fix the bike" (unbelievable claim by you...) then how come you were able to sell it? Did you sell it for a fraction of the market price of a fully functioning bike?
@@pistonburner6448 right, it didn’t make sense to me that MV Agusta Thailand couldn’t fix my bike that’s why my desperation!
Merry Christmas ✌🏻
Happy holidays!
Oh, you are a really strong man! I tried to lift the front wheel of my bike as you did (25:10), I couldn’t do it.
He used the kick stand to leverage it off the ground.
@@Unryl2 I tried the same way but still, it’s a F4. May be heavier
Great info, really enjoy these videos...I might live longer :)
Great
Look sir !anyway it’s a best 800 Cc motorcycle you could ask for from mv agusta when comparing to other brands in the market , only thing is tft display is missing for that expensive one while other brands following the new tech with tft display in 2020
Fair comment - we will see what MV does for 2021.
Brilliant!
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video that.
Thanks!
Best video I've ever seen on suspension set-up, so congrats on that. Very interesting.Thanks!
But at the risk of being the typical UA-cam commenter, I really didn't like the lines taken on the road. I ride a lot of mountain roads (Switzerland) and it's as if I'm on the bike. I'm thinking, "Eek! Don't turn in so early!" No doubt you are a track and road demon, but to me, this seemed all wrong. Sorry!
Comments are appropriate and welcome. Lines on a road I did not know very well at all as it was my first hour or so on it were far less than ideal.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks for taking it like that. I was thinking that I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself.
What a fantastic Video ! There is one niggle i have, i`d love to see some of the bike during the riding parts of the video, to have an attitude reference (hey i`m a pilot) So maybe a chest mount Gopro or a chin mount and the angle set to wide.. as you keep your head up it´s hard to get a feel of what lean your bike is at :) But other than that fantastic work as always !
Noted and we will be investigating different mounts, most probably for the tank. That will give you the horizon perspective. What do you pilot?
@@catalystreactionsbw Dave, do a helmet mount. If you have a GoPro, angle the camera up 45 degrees so that when you're leaned over the camera lens is level. Settings:+ 4k, 23 frames per second, set ISO to min and max 100 and get a set of ND filters for proper motion blur - otherwise, GoPros never provide a proper sense of speed. Result should look something like this: ua-cam.com/video/buPRC5S2ifM/v-deo.html
@@catalystreactionsbw i fly since 20years in the skydiving industry, Short Skyvans :)
thanks for thinking about the suggestion !
Talk about Christmas Gifts... This is an immense amount of knowledge for any backroads rider. Thank you kind Sir.
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching. Whats content will you use to improve the handling of your motorcycle?
@@catalystreactionsbw Waiting for my custom shock to arrive, after install and first set-up by suspension techs, will look closely at the tire wear after each ride to see what the wear pattern looks like, then make adjustments to the set-up if needed. Will start to record settings for each bike, riding condition, riding style.
Just ride the fuckin bike already mate! Just kidding. Great vids and tutorials. You truly are a god send my friend. I have never met you in person. Yet i feel like ive learned more from you than anyone or anywhere else motorcycle wise. So i want to say, Thank you
Hey Man it's not Gixxer : P
Yup Dave definitely talks to the Camera like he's your best mate teaching you something.
Been servicing my own bike since I started riding over 30 years and he never fails to teach me something new
I appreciate you taking the time to watch and get some information you can use to make your bike handle better rather than adapt to it.
You do not need to worry about correct position of the rear brake lever since this bike has no functional rear brake. Or you need to bleed rear MC every 400-500 km to get it back to functionality
Noted and thanks for sharing.
@@catalystreactionsbw I used to have 2017 f3 800 rc and rear brake disappear because of very close proximity of MC to the main heat source
Hello Dave, I love what you do as you help us to improve safety, comfort and also joy on our bikes. I'd like to have more information about the distance from the belly to the steering stem Vs the spine length. First of all, how do you measure the spine length? Is is the distance from the base of the neck (in the shoulder line) and the sacrum? Should this length be the same, higher or lower (which range) than the handlebar distance? I am really suffering on my MV F4 1000RR as I am only 1.64m...
The steering stem to belly button is one measurement, so that is reach. Spine is base of the neck to sacrum, then factor in arm length from top of the shoulder joint to end of the wrist on the hand side. From that you can draw your triangle. The angle from the spine and arms at the peak of the triangle is the important number for sport bikes. I am 170cm tall. My arm length is 22inches/56cm, my spine is 22 cm and the reach on my F3 800 is 22cm so my arm/spine angle is 60 degrees. 50 degrees is the most comfortable for me anatomically.
@@catalystreactionsbw are you sure your spine is only 22cm? Or is it inches?
@@claudiolorenzoraia1671 Ooppssss..... All measurements are inches so 56cm. I corrected the reply. Thanks!
I'm at 3:14 into this video and I'm already wondering why Dave is not mentioning moving the rear sets. Okay I'm going to continue to watch. If he brings it up then forget what I said.
For me the rear sets were well positioned and gave me excellent balance on transitions biomechanically. So, no comment on changing them (30" inseam fyi)
Like the look" cuz I read the book"
Hi. I appreciate your work. I've have an 1988 hawk gt 650 that Ive raced. I have rarcetech cartridge emulators in front and 900rr rear shock with stock hawk spring swapped on an approriate spacer. I set sag and whatnot for my 185lbs. And I just ride it and it works. My tire wear is beads of rubber building up on the very edges of the tread there are no upside down clouds on the edge just beads of spent rubber round the very edge?
Thank you Bobby. Rubber balls should be unique and 2-3mm in diameter. If this is what you have - all is well.
HI Dave great Vid, just got a used F3 i weight 75Kg how much changes we might be looking at for me here
Just go softer on fork and shock compression by 1/2 a turn. I wouldn't change rebound.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you very much Dave, thats kind of you to help out
What’s your favorite motorcycle glove? I haven’t found a perfect one yet for the right combination of tactile feedback and protection
I was so lucky to find a company that made a glove perfect for my hand - Insurrection. They went out of business so now I am looking for new gloves. Y2W-R and Racer Gloves (High Racer Glove) have the closest fit with excellent feel for me.
@@catalystreactionsbw it blows my mind how poorly stitched/made the fingertips are of even expensive riding gloves. They have a significant ridge where the two layers were stitched together. Right where you would need to point to press a bottom with your finger tips etc. crazy to me. I’ll check the ones you mentioned, thank you
@@catalystreactionsbw Those are the model names or the company names
Dave could you plz do a suspension setup on and 04-05 kawasaki zx10r. I can't seem to get the suspension equal 9th the bike front to rear. The rear is set to factory defaults and the front as well i weigh about 138.
For your bike, how old is the fork and shock oil?
no more trailers?
Is there a reason why you ride street with such low pressures? In case of my (heavier) Triumph Daytona 2002 with me (80 kg plus gear) and Rosso III I found out that I´m not supposed to go down much from the recommended 2,5/2,9 bar of pressure, because the feeling and response both become "mushy". Anything below 2,4/2,7 was worse.
Then you have found that lower pressures with your very soft carcass tyres does not work. Higher pressures give you more structure and feedback. Next time out try some Dunlop Q3+ as it would appear you definitely like a hard carcass tyre.
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