Euro Spec BMW E36 M3 Track Test & Brake Upgrades -- Part 2
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- We install the MSport rotors, Msport custom brake lines, and Hawk Street/Race pads supplied by Marcor Performance on Moose's Euro spec E36 M3. E46 spec front rotors are used along with Porsche 996 C2 4-pot Brembo calipers and an adapter bracket that completes a "poor man's" big brake kit, and the follow up track test confirms that this setup works extremely well, cutting 2-seconds off the car's lap time at Toronto Motorsport Park.
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due to the calipers coming off a mid engine car it is normal to get a higher rear brake bias, usually people run a stickier pad in the front than the rear to compensate. with same pads front and rear there is a 6%higher rear brake bias. learned this doing the 4 pot front and rear on my US M3
Adam Contreras where can I get more info about that? Are you saying that if you swap front and rear 996s, the car will brake more at the rear? (in the car that you put the 996s)
Or the braking % is 6% higher in comparison to the original on the Porsche car?
@@zeascerqueira bias moves to the rear by 6%
I decided to catch some vids that I missed and it just happened that I got to watch Moose install brakes while Rhinestone Cowboy played softly in the background. It was a thing of beauty.
haha, living the dream
Those headlights are rancid. I'm lovin the brake upgrade.
You guys need a bigger following, awesome channel. All the best from the UK 👍
I do wish them a bigger audience, but seeing all the toxic people on other "bigger" channels makes me sick. Rather have a smaller audience that's supportive and amazing, that one huge mess.
Any chance of dropping these headlights to the ocean and putting in the oem ones?
Yes, good chance of that. Moose doesn't love them, but they came with the car when he bought them. We'll change them out for some fresh OE ones eventually.
johng69er OEM or high quality angel eyes > literally anything on an E36.
johng69er well can I be a regular wanker at least?
It's a Euro spec M3. What's more real than that?
its the real m3 engine
Lol that wwf shirt, i haven't seen that in years
Moose has two speeds; Sleep and Kill
You should replace the rear subframe bushes they are likely to be torn on that age and they can rip the sheet metal of the chassis apart where it mounts. It will make a huge difference and make the rear feel more planted.
Sweet video. That was me in the viper. Lol a buddy told me to check this out.
Right on!
Project car! Awesome content. Keep this one going!
You can also get some adapters from rallyroads.net in the US. They make 'em as a complete front/rear 996/986s caliper kit. This might solve your bias issues. You can even get Z06 caliper adapters, but these won't clear the stock 17 inchers.
Love the E36 stuff
Wow! 2 sec. on brake opgrade 🖒 Nice. Cant wait to see more Moose3
More Moose and his Bimmer! Im mentally adding these mods to my imaginary BMW project list
Looks like Pete has been hitting the gym!
I run almost the exact same setup on my E46, using RallyRoad adapters and lines. Pedal feel is pretty great and I haven't gotten them to fade yet (obviously nice pads/fluid/rotors help with that). Definitely worth the money when compared to most other BBK setups!
what calipers do you run?
I thought our LGT was weird in the rear with the flexline-hardline-flexline, I guess Subaru isn't the only manufacturer that does that.
Cool video! I also have the poor mans 996 upgrade but I went with front and rear, floating e46 m3 rotors, and pfc 08 brake pads. You can brake a lot later and clock in faster lap times with some real tires and racing pads
what about that eurospec e28?! I want to see more!
I would have shaved the calipers instead. Spacers are nice for some stance, but I find that they change the steering feel.
Hype for this build
You can also do a clutch pedal mod. In stock situation there is a restriction in the clutch line that prevents the clutch from biting too hard. Friend of mine did the mod a few years back and he was really happy with it.
On a normal E36 there is also a rubber thing in the steering pin. Alberto Bigboost just made a video about that. Some nice handling upgrades that aren't too expensive :)
Oh and try turning those Koni shocks a bit in the rear to reduce that under steer and excessive roll :)
The M cars don't have a CDV from factory unlike non-Ms
Moose, what a bad ass.
DP (and Moose), the brake bias issue will be down to the new, bigger front pistons needing to be filled by more fluid than before in order to clamp the rotor with an equal force. Essentially, since the rears are the same as before, they're getting pressurised earlier relative to the fronts and locking up. I'd recommend Moose install a bias valve to bleed off rear pressure, and if it feels like the pedal throw is too long and light then upgrade to a larger bore master cylinder.
Based on research (from Racers using this setup) , this 996 Caliper does not throw off the Bias that much. The rear brake lock-up is primarily due to an ABS fault (That we think is a bad speed sensor) that is turning off the ABS. Apparently these cars do not like running with ABS off, and it causes rear brake lock up. For some reason BMW has base bias that is front heavy, and it is managed electronically thru the ABS system ...weird
That would make sense!
I love moose as a personality! He is a big funny pile of moose.
I usually hold down brake pedal with a pole to keep fluid from running out.
Yeah more BMW stuff!!! (and always more rotary stuff).
Must have have this car for a while, can't find led tails for the e36 anywhere
This thing is freakin awesome!! 👍 keep up the great work guys. Love the way 4 piston front brakes look. Would love a big brake kit on my RSX but the stock brakes with pads/rotors are good for the street. RSX is light enough to not really need them. But the looks alone absolutely kill. Always been one of my favorite parts of a car
Coilovers and lots of other suspension goodies, wheels and tires, and shorter final drive ratio out back.
E28... very cool, very nice
bedding the hawk street/race pads destroyed my advance auto rotors lol. took the car to gingerman and melted the piston boots lol
When I grow up I want to be as sexy as Moose.
I know it wont happen,but dreams never die :(
Keep the drive alive!
Hi Moose, this mod just totally messed up your brake bias. The porsche is rear heavy while the bmw is 50/50 so they need a different bias from the factory. Using the porsche calipers you end up with much too small of a surface area on the sum of all the pistons in the caliper. Reducing your front braking force results in too much brake bias. If you need help with the math or an explanation on how to calculate it, please contact me. As an alternative upgrade people also use the e31 840ci calipers. Lol, This is not a brake pad deposition issue! Its not just a poor man's BBK but also a BBK for those that are physics illiterate ;-)
Shoulda ripped the splash guards off they heat soak and hold heat . Also blocks air flow to the inside of the rotor .
Those vader seats worth around 1000€ in europe, if Moose really want to track his car, he should sell them and get some buckets for basicly the same price.
Definitely on the To-Do List! He already has a Momo race bucket, just looking into seat mount brackets at the moment.
Did Moose put that front rotor on the wrong side? Looks like the vanes go the other way, I could be wrong.
How does this affect the brake bias adding 996 calipers to the front of the e36?
We want more mazda!! and more Moose (Athough he stresses me out!!)
I bet you could save another second or 2 easily for free by swapping the upper strut mounts. I ended up with over neg 3 degrees by swapping mine but im lowered on coilovers.
You forgot the missing caliper clips on the rear. The spring keeps slop and noise out of the rear.
Kevin Bowers they also missed the pad springs that sit under the pin and over the pad that hold the pads tight on the dowels on the front calipers too, a very big no no.
The front pad springs were installed, just not easily visible in the video
Oh shit I just looked again, they did too I'll eat my words.
Hello. can you explain why 996 brakes don't turbo ok on e36 BMW. why 996 turbo not go on e36 bmw?
can someone please send me the PART NUMBERS FOR THE PORSCHE 996 calipers?
What's mooses backround for cars has he always been a BMW guy?
Nope, he was a Honda guy in his earlier years (like so many of us), but he's been into the E36 and E46 chassis for a few years now.
David Pratte what Honda chassis do you recommend for starting on?
Bad choice going with drilled rotors in my opinion. They are very prone to failing/cracking on track. Should have chosen either a slotted or even just a good plain vented rotor.
more moose plz
Great content
More m3
Who are you kidding, this is a project car now😂
Nice!
where are the wheel studs
i lol'd at 'murder spec gloves'
Hi do you have a site for the adapters for the 996 calipers please
Did you need to remove some material from the caliper to get it to fit under the 17" wheel? Looking to do this on my M3 but have the DS2 17" wheels. I thought I read somewhere that you need to machine off some of the caliper mounting surface to get it to fit.
questionn is this work on any e36 i got a 325is e36 will it work i wanna upgrade to brenbos
Extended stud kit in hubs, or you will regret it.,also the master cylinder may not flow enough volume for the four pot calipers. Bmtroubleyou tech by trade here.
Can you put the 996 breaks on both the front and the back of the e46?
You guys are at the track a lot, what's the cost like when you go? Is there a membership option, or just a track session fee you pay everytime you go?
Is that licence plate held on with zip ties?
Does the e36 m3 stainless steel lines still fit on the front calipers? Or really need a custom set?
Can you guys please call the M3 the Spruce Moose? hahahaha Howard Hughes
Will these calipers work on 330ci e46?
oem understeer, nice term xD
Before 301
Street/race pads are noisy as fuck they're like putting piglets between the caliper & disc during low speed decel...
That wwf shirt just LMAO!!
where there any modifications to the caliper its self, because i read around and heard about having to shave 12mm off at the base on the caliper. just wondering since ill be doing something similar.
Moose didnt do any shaving but mentioned it may need to be done depending on fitment.
Moose should do a steering shaft upgrade, like Alberto Big Boost! The factory shaft has a rubber flex disk that deteriorates and gives out with hard drifting, replacing it with a solid piece will cause steering bind. the proper way to upgrade this is with a flexible rod like the one made from SIKKY MANUFACTURING. (They also make parts for s chassis and cover the vital parts of drivetrain components and LS swap kits.) This is not an advertisement!?!
Sometimes kisses and sometimes FIST....well that escalated quickly :o
Is that a front or rear 996 caliper that you use here in your video?
Man that radial adapter looks dinky as fuck... flex flexy? But I'm no rocket surgeon.
CNC'ed Billet steel, Grade 8/10 hardware - No Dinky
Jackie N Hard than my dinky
Definitely invest in another jack. All these upgrades and a crap jack
That E28! Is it Mooses?
Edgaras Steponavicius its PT's. It has been in previous videos.
Nope, that's Pete's daily driver
David Pratte do another vid on it?
David Pratte Hasn't he said before that he is going to 2jz swap it? Or that was a joke?
clean jdm chasis? i thought it was a euro? 2:20
It was imported from Japan but it is a euro car. JDM isnt right term to use, our bad.
Moose said knuckle
Dang it, why did I sell mine.
Lose all the sound deadening but leave the interior cards..keep people guessing ;)
Euro spec e36 m3 in the usa ??
Car is in Canada, not the US
Andrew D my bad here in Australia we have some many euro spec e36 m3 cheap too but the later e36 m3 are more expensive
headlights and tail lights should be replaced too!
carfreaks1024 good for at least 5 seconds at TMP
Liability honor content quantity probably regional country tradition Chinese.
Ricardo Mcgrath ricer
Great parts and Jokes haha
Moose must throw his wife around like a wet tracksuit in bed
Street/Race sucks.. make sure you clean your wheels daily.The corrosion gets onto your wheels and is basically impossible to remove!!! I had them on my Integra...never again..
TheDuckRace i had oem dc2 type r wheels and i cleaned them every week and they still got ruined and I only drove on the street
elliot438bcfc Exactly. These pads ruined my wheels. They were 80%street 20%autocross.
he looks like hodor