Quick Zenith Comments and Replies
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Edit, have tested. MS absolutely works with trauma, not sure what those commenters were on about.
Addressing a few comments and a quick thought on levelling. As another commenter pointed out, not all MS balls will hit, which I'm aware of and didn't account for in the original video. As was mentioned it was a holdover from the original build. Hope that helps and it was cool to see lots of engagement.
I'm the original commenter about the trauma stacks and the projectiles. I did comment on the previous video but ill post my comment here as well:
A bit of an update for the people interested. Turns out I WAS WRONG. I have spoken to Connor and other content creators and it turns out Trauma does scale the projectiles as well as it is a flat phys added to the skill itself. Connor advised me that with trauma, this particular version of the build can have 60% more damage than his version. I think it was more likely what @Aequus said, he was more focused on the end game version of the build and this one was more like a stepping stone. Another thing that I relised is that his multi-mirror version does not use phys on weapons because of the interaction with original sin. As original sin only cares about ele damage, if you were to scale phys you would need to convert it to elemental and then original sin would convert it to chaos, which is just incredibly inefficient compared to just scaling ele damage that original sin converts to chaos.
playing the build right now, its pretty decent, mana is an issue but i just crafted -mana cost on amu and ring and its fine. Would love to see further upgrades to this setup if you have the time, thanks for the build :).
The old comment was deleted somehow because all of the replies were removed as well, I dont know if it got flagged or what
So, i commented on your original post, mentioning things i found were wrong with the build and it started a 30-40 long comment chain of people asking for my PoB about the Zenith build.
Later this comment and the whole chain was removed and i assumed you did it. Which appearently is wrong, i aplogize if this was not the case.
Anyway the mana issues i mentioned were related to ice golem not being able to be cast with the unreserved mana you had, molten strike mana is fine.
Second, trauma is just a huge pad especially with more duration nodes/gem. it's impossible to sustain, even with high movement speed. you will on average be way under the maximum sustainable truma, and trauma causes for a gigantic amount of dps inflation.
Attack rate is going to make this build feel awful in terms of clearing
You already mentioned the quality config in the video so that was fine.
no returning projectiles but having 8 proj hits on in skill gems config as you adressed yourself is a huge inflation aswell.
The reality is this: this build is ''very very weak'' day 2/early game. i found this out myself making a PoB of my own.
However, people see anything that is not super tanky and below 10m dps as weak, but the reality is, a 2.5m non-inflated build is better than any 10m dps build that relies on tons of conditions to get there.
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This is what i believe to be an actual real version of this build.
0 padding, a no cluster tree, a good rage buildup to justify it actually being up.
An attack rate decent enough to make the build feel fine.
Sand stance, using lifetap to be 100% sure of mana cost early on.
I was going to make a video, but i feel everyone in the comment chain from last video will be watching this, so feel free to discuss it if you think it's worth discussing.
Once again, i apologize for assuming you removed the comments, i couldn't think of anything else why it would've been removed otherwise.
all my comments were in good faith and not with a purpose of flaming. Nor were any other people in the comment train. They just want the best build to start this with.
I'm ready for people being like ''lol only 2.75m dps'', but to keep attack rate good enough for clear to not feel bad. and not using any inflation but true and honest numbers, this is what you're league starting with. And that's just perfectly fine to league start with as this build ramps up insanely once you get some currency in.
Anyone who thinks you can get a 10M dps day 2 zenith league starter is in for a surprise.
Like i also mentioned. i'm not a build creator either, there might be oversights from my end, and i encourage everyone to name them if you see them.
I just want the best start i can get with this build, and i'll take any criticism to make it better.
Best of luck with the launch all!
You're way overcapped on accuracy, can unspecc eagle eye.
Your res are low, cannot be cursed for 1 point seems worth.
I'd go for nomadic teachings. I suspect the new jugg is gonna struggle against ele even with the new endurance charges without having spell suppress and/or spell block.
Battle trance seems excessive.
Iron grip is 4.5%, seems worth for 1 point or does it not work?
Can swap Diamond skin for cloth and chain.
The only real aura here is determination. I'd consider going blood magic.
Your gear is entirely trade dependent, whereas aqueuus is not.
Without unstoppable you'd need unwavering stance.
@@DrDanQ92 eagle eye is for attack rate, not for accuracy, i couldn’t find a cheaper 2 points for more attack rate.
cannot be cursed is a good point. Much more realistic while rolling maps.
iron grip i believe works but the main problem is attack rate not necessarily dps
cloth and chain is less ele res, but worth if you have more res on gear.
Very good call
Nomadic teachings should not be an issue, like connor shows in his original guide, he clears way higher content easily with the defenses he has. If you can find the points for it though, go for it!
As for battle trance, as stated in my notes in PoB this can be swapped out for fortify, either of the rage nodes could be swapped for it. but since we aren’t live yet it’s hard to say if the rage on hit nodes are needed or not to keep rage going smoothly during maps/bossing. This is something we’ll have to find out on the go.
Blood magic could be a good option, i think you really want the blood/sand aura’s too though especially since you get a 19% DR from flesh and stone which is worth fixing the mana for.
Trade dependant you obviously have a point but i don’t think anyone on ssf should really consider this type of build as all the scaling later on comes from trade dependant items. Nor do i think items like devoto’s or pillar are very ssf either.
@@NightwingPoE Jugg lost the armour taken as ele which is a huge deal for ele mitigation, especially without suppress / avoidance / spell block. I don't know how much armour the original build ran but this is why I'd heavily consider more max res.
New flesh and stone is obviously powerful but a lot of times it won't be useful whereas 10% more life always is. It's a big dps boost too with a better link than lifetap and less headache early on.
The ssf point is mostly a point about early leaguestart in trade as this specific setup requires a lot more. Pillar and go is a lot less requirement. But maybe these items are very cheap/accessible early on.
Anyway these are just minor nitpicks/considerations.
@@DrDanQ92 the blood magic is very convincing, all just makes sense, i don’t think the hit on elemental defense is that heavy on this build early on as it never had a ton of armour to begin with so i think it’s basically equal. Would have to check on this further to make sure though. As for ssf, ofcourse iron fortress and crown of eyes are nowhere near ssf, but i’d actually say the weapon is easier to craft than the chance of finding a pillar would be.
And for the record it’s absolutely not nitpicking, the blood magic could prove a crazy good option as it gives 8-10% more dps from taking a more useful link.
Do you plan to play this at league start? and if so whats your aim for swapping into it? As soon as you get certain items or once you hit a specific level too?
Good work, I'm personally staying away from Trauma/Boneshatter because of new 3.25 rare monster modifier that gives you the crushed debuff. Feel like thats gonna make our trauma hurt us a lot more when we encounter it :/
If that's your only problem with it then it should be fine because before they added that they had overwhelm which made monster damage bypass most of your phys dr the self damage from trauma is not high enough to make that flat 15% phys dr debuff to matter on this JUGG
What kind of content would you suggest for this build? Im not a delver and clearspeed is looking very lack luster (finishing atlas and getting challanges done seems tough).
I’m gonna farm expedition with it, i wanted to start slam, but slams looks sketchy so, i’m gonna play ms
I know i’m not the creator but i hope it helps)
@@nitothegravelord7798 oh my brain totally glossed over expedition that does feel like a good idea. Don't need a ton of clear for it. I'm probably gonna start sunder for the acts and swap when possible
Harvest also shouls be good with this
@@mochmaster45 yeah, i thought so too, and the build has enough sustain and max hit to actually farm it and not dying so ye, good luck on the start, mate!
Im going essence early into harvest/expedition depending how it feels. After simu might be really good. Depending on how geared u are
I played Trauma Molten Strike in ToTA with Brightbeak and since my Projectiles dealt non-zero damage I'm gonna go on a limb and say Trauma does apply to the balls
So, I just stumbled across your first video and now about this and I think your PoB looks absolutely fine. People screaming about "low ehp" really expect like 50mio dps and 200k ehp on day 1 gear, you can literally never please them.
anyway, most importantly: Are you looking into verifying that the trauma works on the balls? Like, since this would brick the build thats the biggest question mark at this point. I have no clue how one would test this so we prob. kinda need your help on this :D
Also, this is what ChatGPT wrote about this:
In "Path of Exile," Trauma is a unique mechanic that affects melee attacks. Specifically, Trauma is a debuff that stacks on the player each time they use a melee attack skill, causing them to take increased physical damage over time with each stack.
Molten Strike, including the Molten Strike of the Zenith variant, is a melee attack skill that also generates projectiles upon hitting an enemy. The key point here is understanding how Trauma interacts with the different aspects of Molten Strike:
Melee Hit: The initial melee hit from Molten Strike will apply Trauma stacks to the player, as it is a melee attack.
Projectiles: The projectiles generated by Molten Strike are secondary effects and do not count as melee attacks. Therefore, they do not apply additional Trauma stacks to the player.
In summary, Trauma stacks will apply to the player when they perform the melee hit of Molten Strike, but not for the projectile impacts.
ChatGPT doesn't understand shit about PoE, stop using it.
Its hard to take these kinds of comments seriously.
why would you use ChatGPT as a source of reliable information?
trauma stacks are each an individual buff that adds flat physical damage to attacks, with a trade off that each trauma stack also causes the user to deal physical damage to themselves. each trauma stack will add damage to the strike skill, and it will add 50% of that value additionally to each magma ball. this is clearly explained through the descriptions of trauma and molten strike. take some time to read, and i suggest using the wiki instead of chatgpt.
@@Adrostos if the wiki was clear on it I wouldnt have asked for other sources. Also, I know ChatGPT is not reliable, hence I asked about it. So what exactly is your problem? Arent people allowed to ask questions anymore? I had conflicting infos about a problem and I didnt find a clear answet but I guess you are just better than any1 else.
@@Adrostos if the wiki was clear on it I wouldnt have asked for other sources. Also, I know ChatGPT is not reliable, hence I asked about it. So what exactly is your problem? Arent people allowed to ask questions anymore? I had conflicting infos about a problem and I didnt find a clear answet but I guess you are just better than any1 else.
@@venntof.9095 You edited your first comment. originally you were adamantly stating misinformation as fact. after you edited it looked more like you were legitimately asking the video author if the interaction has been tested and verified.
what a cowardly move. to change you blatant misinformation into a new comment and then try to use the changed rhetoric to have some sort of moral high ground. youre pathetic. next time if you dont know something for sure, dont type it out like a factual statement. loser.
Need to check if trauma applies to the balls. 😂
It does, I tested. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't but a few commenters said it in the last video. However, a quick google search shows many trauma MS videos. Also, as a man, ball trauma can absolutely happen X