Reviewing the Top 3 Finals callout at the 2021 Arnold Classic, featuring: 1. Nick Walker 2. Iain Valliere 3. Steve Kuclo Don't forget to follow me on Instagram: / tomn8er1
Upon further review, some of the calls made here I'm not totally sold on. Namely Iain over Steve in SC and ST (those could go either way and I change my mind with seemingly every viewing) and Steve in MM. Keep in mind I whipped together the script after one or two looks and once the recording is done it's kinda set in stone. In any case I think we can all agree that Walker took this handily and that's what matters most. 🤙🏻
I think lains physique is just not a fan of the camera and the judges are seeing details we can't. I have to give it to him maximizing not so great genetics or structure. To give him even more creedence he wasn't really even on this show. Delts were down ams were not super detailed yet he still hangs. You should do a top 3 vs top 4-6 comparison so we can see how Lain and steve compared to sergio, akim and brett.
Yes it was too close between Iain and Steve Nick walker over all score 17 Iain 43 steve 45 man nick walker far ahead of these two no comparison but yes Iain has too many flaws and Steve little off in conditioning it was very close though
looking at high quality pics on instagram, iain looks a 1000 times better there. I think it might be the case that the live stream just doesn't do him justice (as always). Hard to tell for sure without being there.
@@okankorad57 100% think he’s one of those people where the live streams don’t always do him justice. Actually thought based on the live stream that Iain had the edge in the end because Steve faded in both pre-judging and the night show, and his back was absolutely woeful… then after seeing some pics afterwards which accentuated how much better Iain’s conditioning was than Steve’s, I think he absolutely 100% deserved second.
Am I the only one who is soon excited to see Nick in the Olympia. If he keeps improving the way he does he has a shot at top 3. It will be interesting to see him up against Big Rommy and Brandon
@@jakeesparza5948 nah I don't think I'd be a great judge, at least not without a lot of practice. What they're doing is making snap judgements in second or two. That's very different and much harder than re-watching a video multiple times and freeze-framing shots, then picking the guys apart one body part at a time.
Bro I totally agree what you said about how Ian is too flawed to be placing highly at all these shows. I feel like the only real strength he has is conditioning
That's his main draw yes. He's got great quads and presentation from the side, a nice FLS. But otherwise yeah, I don't really get why the judges seem to love him so much.
Tomn8er I also notice that even thought his conditioning is good, he doesn’t have much sharp separation anywhere except the quads and delts. Idk how that is possible, but Steve is kinda the same way, I guess it’s a genetic thing?
Yeah, 2nd and 3rd place are both weak really. Steve has a wide waist, shitty back and arms and no separation. Ian only looks good in a front lat spread. No tris or calves, and his posing routines are the worst I've ever seen - although I haven't seen his routine here yet!! In some routines he doesn't even hit a front double biceps!! WTF!! That is THE bodybuilding pose!!
Yea doesn’t have the pleasing physique. But he did his homework to suck it it in actual posing so that it doesn’t look ovious. When he is flexing, it looks decent and that what matters. His posing practice has made it not look bad
7:49 Ian's legs in relaxed from the back look comical. The complete lack of calves make his legs look like a lollipop. Not sure if he should get calf implants. Also Nick is great now but I feel his midsection is gonna be blown out soon. Ramy is the only mass monster that seems to have avoided the bubble gut.
I think if you measured Iain's calves they wouldn't be THAT small; it's just that his soleus muscle juts out so far it washes his calves out, giving him no sweep to the ankle.
His calves used to be really good, just type Iain Valliere 2014 in UA-cam, pretty sure he already did something sus before and it backfired, similar to Dexter Jackson 1999, they have the same look later on as Iain’s now
@@sam88wise22 Dexter never had good calves with muscles, he only had the "good" with some kind of implants/SEO. Then he gave up to implants and that was left was the weak calves.
Knew that Steve would end up falling and Ian would probably end up climbing spots in the finals, Kuclo tends to fade and Ian tends to improve in the finals/the more they pose. I think thats really all the difference Ian needed, it was a close 2nd/3rd otherwise and I think both guys have their major flaws, so naturally the guy who improved and brought a slightly more overall complete package to finals was the one who ended up taking 2nd.
agreed, and we see that happen all the time. Jay Cutler and Ronnie in 2001, and even Hadi last year. Not many know this but he was actually 2nd in the prejudging beating both Brandon and Phil decisively. He came in worse at the night show while both Phil and Brandon improved and both ended up placing ahead of Hadi.
Ian could easily be one of the worst bodybuilder from genetic standpoint. No triceps horse shoe No calves Flat and very small chest Uneven lat insertions and totally asymmetrical back. Uneven and very small abs (to those who have seen his conventional abs and thigh) For all those ian fanboys out there I am not questioning his work ethic. Very few bodybuilders on planet can out do him in hardwork.
Ian has pretty good flow, more of like an athletic physique. In which case if he can bring up his pecs, back, and add more size to the quads without washing out the detail, he'll be deadly. His genetics are much better than people give him credit for.
Walker has such a powerlifter/weightlifter build. He has that dense look too that looks like he lifts heavy. Crazy how he comes with that conditioning with that power build.
Yea like his neck muscles all the way up his head are huge, idk how he gets them like that. But does he even lift heavy? When I've seen him briefly, he lifted very slow and controlled. Like he's really strict in how he moves the weight, as an old school guy it's almost surprising he can get so huge lifting like that.
@Nicholas Holland exactly. It's really the separation and thin skin that is making the difference, most of these guys don't have proper separation and or have thick skin that covers their muscles. Iain is probably just as conditioned as Nick, but his thick skin and bad separation isn't really showing it
In the area of 30 seconds"live timing without the pause" that walker held his legs tensed ,fully flexed or very near in the rear double bicep through the rear lat spread. The others relax or release tension in between. He has an elite athlete mindset. That was as well done.
Steve not as conditioned as iain and kinda fading out on finals. Steve was wining on scorecards during pre judging but as usual he faded out in finals and ian's conditioning improved. You can check the scorecard and see that it was a matter of two points
Man, these guys are looking more and more unhealthy by the day. I feel like one of them will suddenly burst one day. Nick's midsection looks gross. And Where's that old school seperation? None of the guys have it.
Love your content. You give unbiased assessments and are one of the few channels to point out the obvious at this show. Iain Valiere’s flawed physique. I’ve been saying all year, something is wrong with the state of bodybuilding or the way it’s being judged when a ‘top’ guy is missing so many key body parts and lacking symmetry. Is it a positive direction for the sport to have someone considered elite with a weak chest, weak triceps, shallow abs, overly wide hips, a back lacking details, poor symmetry, and no calves? Should that type of deficient physique be consistently winning or placing well at top level shows?? No. This is not something to be prized. Especially when the goal is to be as close to perfect as possible. You don’t pay extra to get a diamond with more inclusions, you pay for it to be as flawless as possible! Yes, good posing is there to help hide weaknesses and accentuate your strengths, but when you are missing the triceps in a side triceps, isn’t there a point where you should get penalized?? I mean this guy is missing whole body parts! Isn’t this a little like showing up to a ‘wellness’ competition with no butt & thighs and always winning or placing near the top?!? I’m exaggerating a little, but if that happened, wouldn’t you be saying to yourself, “Hmmm… Something’s not quite right here...”. Even Arnold brought this up during the commentary. He mentioned Iain’s lack of symmetry and weak body parts. Iain works hard and comes in conditioned. I respect that, but this is also about genetics, structure & symmetry. Sometimes you don’t have what you don’t have. One thing covered up well I could accept, but for an elite level pro to be missing so much and still get rewarded so highly is both puzzling and troubling to me…
There is something odd about Iain’s physique, quite honestly even if Kuclo was fading he still looks a little better than Iain. Also, I see Nick Walker’s physique being washed up later on synonymous to Branch after placing 2nd at the Olympia.
I agree. No hate at all toward Ian as I like to watch some of his content on YT and appreciate his attitude...BUT....when you're a professional bodybuilder, you put yourself on a stage practically naked for the sole purpose of having your physique JUDGED by everyone. So, judging is what people will do. No hate, just the name of the game.😉😎
Both Iain and Steve suck. Plain and simple. These 2 guys finishing 2nd and 3rd show the sad state of the Open class. I wouldn't even try to state all their weak points. Look at Steve's front double bi at 0:21! His arms suck, his waist is wide, he has no separation at all and never has. On the plus side Steve has very good calves - whoopee doo!! You've covered Iain's weak points, except for his posing routine which is the WORST I've ever seen!! Iain doesn't even hit a front double biceps in his posing routine, and no surprise - because it sucks. Iain's only good poses are from the side, and his front lat spread. Every other pose looks bad! I won't even mention his calves - oops - just did!! Iain and Steve suck, but Nick isn't much better. Nick's left arm is the best in the history of bodybuilding. It's ridiculous. In off season photos it must measure 24"?? But it's twice the size of his right arm, and that gut is going to be a problem. Future Mr Olympia?? Maybe if he lives that long, and can improve that horrible front lat spread pose?? Which i'm sure he can't!!
I don't wish ill to anyone but this show served Sergio Jr right. Dude was trash talking about all the shows this year that he didn't do, said the winners didn't have to go through real competition, kept posting about his old glory trying to foreshadow others spotlight and now when he went up against all those winners he placed behind them all. Like someone said in one of his posts, the biggest achievement of his is that he's the son of Legendary Sergio Oliva.
Yeah his comments about lack of competition were bogus. When he won the NY Pro a couple years ago the lineup was also pretty weak. I still feel 6th was probably too low for him though.
Sergio Jrs. Biggest Legacy: Being the son of Sergio Sr. Thats priceless bro. Hes a crybaby ass poooopoo diaper wearing millennial. Cant wait foe the excuses
More horrible lighting. You can see striations in ian's quads every now and then, but then all 3 go back into the darkness. Wish we got a fair look where we could actually see conditioning
Totally agree. It’s honestly insane that companies putting on events where the main attraction is viewing, in detail, the competitors, and the lighting sucks nearly every time.
@@Day-ZDuke its amazing that ian, a guy who thrives on fine detail and conditioning, gets all this hate for his placing when we actually cannot tell what the hell he really looks like in this show
@@nick128_9 Iain wasn't beating Nick in this show. I've seen Iain in person in Tampa where he was severely out conditioned by Phil Clahar. Enough so that most people in attendance thought he didn't do enough to win. Iain is a fine bodybuilder but he's not the next great bodybuilder.
People don't hate him personally. It just some people don't think he deserve the spotlight with glaring weaknesses such as sunken chest, weak triceps and no calves. Phil Heath should pass the nickname "the gift" to Iain.
@@testtset7946 idk why people keep saying that. I saw him in Tampa and thought he lost to an aging Phil Clahar. There's nothing about him that really pops but he has glaring weaknesses that immediately grab your eye. In Tampa by far the most holy shit guy on stage was Phil. He looked like a vascular slab of granite turned into a person.
Modern open bodybuilding is so poor nowadays. The quality just isn't there. Some decent individual body parts. All have poor to mediocre rear development. Calf development is poor in all. They all look awkward in the front lat.. No deep separation in any of them.. These guys need to look back the way in order to improve their physiques.
I really don’t understand iain’s placing. His mediocre back and other lagging body parts make him look frail when he stands next to guys with more quality muscle. His only genuinely good shots are his front lat spread, quarter turns, and his fdb. Does that change the fact he’s a high level competitor either way? No. However, I haven’t agreed with a single high placing he’s received recently.
To add one other thing: I wish I could give his side chest and triceps more credit. His whole body looks great, but when the namesakes of the pose are that glaringly weak, it should really effect how the pose is judged in my opinion.
@@Tomn8er oh ya I read it and to some extent I agree with those two being anyone’s game. I absolutely see why it could go either way regarding the side chest. I’d disagree with the side triceps though, I personally thought Steve had it pretty handily. Like you said in your prejudging video Steve hits the pose pretty well. His execution tonight was a bit worse by comparison but I think his still-pleasing presentation and solid triceps give him a distinct edge over Iain. Certainly Steve’s legs are the “worst” of the three but the difference isn’t glaring enough that I’d throw away the pose. Iain’s toothpicks he calls calves even out the superior side leg in my head anyways.
@@kirillnovikov9077 the simile I can think of for the side chest and tri is something like a cake made of frosting. Ya it’s technically a cake, but you’re missing what’s making it a cake!
Thing is he is placing high in these shows because noone is coming in to place him lower. The competition just isn't there. You will see his flaws once he stands next to Brandon, Ramy, Hadi, Hollingshead, Walker, Bonac, Hunter, and DeAsha
Hunter? 🤣 Literally the most overrated up and coming body builder out there; Virtually no back. Also Bonac is quite questionable considering how much he regressed when he cut ties with his old coach. I'd say Nick could easily place 4th behind Hadi, Brandon and Ramy. Could even beat Brandon if he hasn't fixed his leg issue.
I agree with Iain placing so high in the shows. I have no idea wtf the judges are looking. Zero calves and triceps are non existent. Chest is sub par and lat inserts are mid back. Seriously has to be politics playing a role here.
Just not a fan of nick walker .. cool guy just his structure I’m not a fan of… too blocky looking for my liking.. but that’s his dna 🧬 gene structure so can’t change much
Agreed Tomn8er Nick has to find a better way to hit the front lat spread pose and maybe throw forward 1 quad in the ab & thigh like Cutler use to. It helped Jay hide his box'y shape as the eye was drawn to the separation in the abs & quad rather then looking for the perfect X frame - very few in open have!
Winning the Olympia this year??? He was great at this show but the competition isn't even close to the Olympia. I think he's 5-8th at the Olympia which is a great accomplishment.
PERFECT analysis, sir. I agree with you on each detail in the individual poses as well as overall. And yes, you're right, Hadi vs. Nick at their best would be INSANE - oh yeah, throw Flex Lewis in there too! Nick will definitely be Top 5 at the O unless Brandon, Phil (is he competing?), Hadi, Roelly all show up in insane shape.
Walker is definitely gonna be a contender for the Olympia, then on down the road in the not too far distant future, a contender for the bubble gut bonanza as early signs of development in that area are already emerging which should make Dave Palumbo and Big Lenny very VERY nervous at this juncture.
After watching Arnold classic I dont think any other guy can challenge top 5(ramy, hadi, brandon, bonac and nick) of olympia, these top 5 will be miles ahead. There will be a battle for 6th spot.
@Samoht Still Lives!!!! May be you are right but none of the other olympia 2nd call out guys can match his conditioning or muscle maturity. He can atleast secure that 5th spot
Bonac, Roelly, Cedric missing from this show. I was looking forward to a few of those comparisons. Nick looked great. I like Justin. He could have deserved 3rd. This was still a good lineup. Bummed Akim came out of shape. Oliva looks like he's putting on a ton of size.
3:30 nick is hands down the best, but i like how iain hits this pose, because his traps are up…and that variation just makes you look bigger….the other 2 guys just have a straight line across from shoulder to shoulder.
Thanks Tom for pointing out Nick’s midsection when everyone else is acting like it isn’t concerning at all. While Nick still hasn’t completely destroyed it yet, it’s alarming how it’s gotten worse already from the New York Pro and he’s already teetering a bit on distention at 26 years old. People are acting like since his abs are defined that means his midsection is good.. does everyone forget that Ronnie Coleman was a thing?
love this bodybuilding channel, especially the fact that you actually talk about bodybuilding and give insightful analysis not just give some vague comment like he looks sharper. Thank god you don't "report" on bodybuilding drama that is actually based on IG comments
Ian should definitely no be getting second or third, and he SHOULD NEVER win a decent bb show. He should be in the top 10, but with no calves, very very weak back, narrow clavicles, very week chest, and no triceps. In bodybuilding from the major groups of muscles, you have back, arms, quads and hams, shoulders, chest, abs, calves, and forearms. 1/2 of his back is missing, 1/2 of his arms (triceps, is missing or is just plain ugly, or there), 1/2 of his chest is missing, and his calves are missing. I would estimate give or take that a 3rd or 33% of his muscle groups are not there, and will never be there, because it's genetics/injury related. What he does have left which is 67% of a bodybuilder, is not perfect, average-ish and his lines are pretty ugly on a small somewhat narrow structure, with good biceps and quads. So in his current form he should look like 50% of a Mr. O, and and like 60-70% of a Arnold winner level stage. With ideal conditioning, working on his back, chest and tris, his max potential ever should be 70-75% of a Mr. O and like 85-100% of Mr. A. Looking at his competition in Arnold he should have gotten 4-5 th. It doesn't matter how conditioned he is, conditioning in the first 6, except Nick was like 85-90% in the same range, but the were structures in the first 6 that are easily above 15% differential in mass/structure/flow. This is bodybuilding, so structure, mass should ALWAYS come first, otherwise don't make it bodybuilding, this is about building your body, adding mass to it, first and foremost, aesthetics after. A decent show has decent competition, so you can always pick somewhat complete bodybuilders with decent conditioning, so picking 2/3 rds of a bodybuilder in the first callout is not excusable. The only possible explanation is corruption. Fuck Iain and the corrupt judges
I personally would have Steve winning the side chest and side tricep because if you don’t have a chest for the side chest or any triceps for the side tricep then you don’t meet the mandatories of the pose and don’t deserve to win it, plus Ian was just so flawed, with no calves, no triceps, small chest, and a narrow back, that to me is not worthy of second place at the Arnold classic so I would have Ian in 3rd and Steve in 2nd but nick still is the winner.
Naahhh fuck that I honestly don’t ever reply or comment on people opinions cuz obviously he is entitled to his own. But when it’s this off, in my opinion, I gotta say something. No fuhkinggg way in hell is steve beating nick in the most muscular and the exact reason he didn’t in the most muscular awards. Cuz nick blew everyone out of the water. Damn near the most conditioned. And 100% the most muscular on stage. I feel like people forget everyone is built different. Yes nick may not have the structure of the guys like Steve, but his detail and overall muscularity outweighs that factor, in almost everyone opinion. That’s why he fuhking killed it🥳
The Ronnie Coleman should have his own award and competition. No one has sacrificed more for the sport of bodybuilding!! Bodybuilding is his life and he's always representing it. Let's give him his flowers while he's still with us. Please Please Please!! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Mr. Olympia
Definitely agree with what another commenter said. Iian improved and Steve got slightly worse for finals. Since it was really close the whole way, they rewarded the guy who improved which makes sense. Another aspect is that streve couldn’t really “expose” iian that much. He has a much betttwr chest and tricep, but iians posing for those side shots is way better. Iian has weak ab and thigh, but Steve couldn’t pull a very impressive pose off either . Iian has a mediocre to bad back lat spread, but Steve’s condition made that shot quite lacking. Same thing with back double, tho I think iian was just overall better. Basically any of the really weak spots of iian are also weaker areas of Steve for this show (outside of claves lmao) and Justin just lacks the legs to push himself above those guys.
Nothing against Iain but I really don't see how conditioning can carry him so much on these top tier shows, his physique is absolutely flawed, no round muscles bellies, small chest, no tricep shape, no calves, weird proportions, mediocre back, maybe it's the damn photos and in person he appears way better but so far I really don't know man, I feel like Steve has the superior physique, better build, I think that Steve's downfall was the fact that he was starting to fade HARD especially from the back during the finals
I'm glad to hear you don't care if it's unpopular because Nick has one of the best most muscular poses in bodybuilding and he also has the best rear double bicep and bodybuilding maybe ever. They haven't quad shot on Nick you're correct about that's when his place looks wide is in that one pose. Also rear last bread wasn't close bro go back and look at the picture when they're in the pose next lower half smokes their ass along with the fact that he's so much thicker in the upper back and more defined it's not even close. However, his rear double bicep is probably his best post. Is front of a biceps nice too and both his side shots are really good. Next worst pose by far is the last spread and front relaxed. He cleans those up before this Olympia and he's going to be tough. He has brought tremendous conditioning for the New York the Arnold and Olympia in 21
Not to hate or anything but Iain's triceps are totally flat from a bodybuilder point of view, no separation between triceps muscles, no horseshoe, Just a plain muscle. Same story with his calves his legs are pretty good but his calves throw off the whole scene. I also agree with Tom about Ian lagging in side chest, His far peck doesn't 'protrude' or like jut out like Nick's or Steve's pec does. I dont know if these points are due to his training style or due to his genetics, if its his training style or something that he can change then he should work on it. Nick has really good physique if only Nick had a smaller waist nuke everyone at every show.
Ian is built like LIMU EMU FROM THOSE LIBERTY MUTUAL COMMERCIALS, IAN NO CALVES NO CHEST NO TRICEPS, JUST A BIG STRIATED BUTT HE SHOULD'VE BEEN IN LAST PLACE!!!! DAMN I MISS THE 90S BODYBUILDERS!!!!!
How many roids does it take to get that kind of physique. And it's always the same super steroid bodies been done a million times. Bodybuilding is no longer interesting to watch I like extreme but extreme is just too much anymore. Your painting false expectations in little kids heads of what is possible without peds. Would love to see bodybuilding come back down out of the clouds. Back to actual attainable physiques on natural hormone levels. But I suppose those days are long gone
Watched an hour of late seventies/eighties olympia compilations today and jeez do these guys look weird. Fucking legs look awful. Far too big and blocky. Cut down on the leg pressing and do more squats. Seems like they sacrifice conditioning for size. Walker will look like a turtle in 3 years as well
Nick is a clone of jay cutler just needs more improvement especially regards too the a a GUTTS....jesus and more latts...total and will be mr olympia....no doubt.....looks like future mr olympia....
Kuclo's legs have no seperation from the side, his back is terrible, and his abs are non existent...and he should have lost a another spot mininum just for his stupid wife being annoying. Iian's lack of calves is enough in itself that he should never ever be allowed to place higher than 2nd. It literally looks like he dosent even train them.....and Nick fing crushed it.
No disrespect and maybe video quality isn't great but top 3 here look more like 10 11 12 in terms of condition anesthetics quality etc. Bodybuilding still going backwards somehow...
Why do judges not factor calves in at all? I like Iain but his lack of calves proportionate to his quads really throws off his look. Bodybuilding shouldn’t just accept drumstick legs as the norm.
Nick was the best part of the show hands down he was the only thing that made the show good. Every other competitor came in off that’s the best thing everyone says you can hear it from all the commentary channels. The show commentators were laughable 😂. And the lighting was terrible. If this is what an arnold classic is supposed to be then this is disappointing. 😂
Nicks Sternum is not well developed, it’s why he looks weird in the front lat spread. Also makes his stomach look strange at the top in some poses. In contrast to someone like Arnold who has a sternum like a doberman pincher. Nothing Nick can do about that, but it might prevent him from being the best.
Cannot see how you’re putting Steve over Nick in MM. striated pecks and the width/conditioning crush Steve imo. Not even close. Nick top 5 hands clasped ever arguably.
Hady conditining is almost second to none,Nick has better arms and forearms,Olympia will be a great show,Ian thghs and calves,im sorry but in my modest opinion are not at Olympia level,i think that Hassan in the next two years if he hits the conditioning right will be a great contender too.
Kucklo has by far the best calves of the three. Walker has varicose calves, painfully so. Ian has less calf development than average female high school cheerleaders. Of course, calves no longer matter in these competitions of late.
Upon further review, some of the calls made here I'm not totally sold on. Namely Iain over Steve in SC and ST (those could go either way and I change my mind with seemingly every viewing) and Steve in MM. Keep in mind I whipped together the script after one or two looks and once the recording is done it's kinda set in stone. In any case I think we can all agree that Walker took this handily and that's what matters most. 🤙🏻
I think lains physique is just not a fan of the camera and the judges are seeing details we can't. I have to give it to him maximizing not so great genetics or structure. To give him even more creedence he wasn't really even on this show. Delts were down ams were not super detailed yet he still hangs.
You should do a top 3 vs top 4-6 comparison so we can see how Lain and steve compared to sergio, akim and brett.
Yes it was too close between Iain and Steve
Nick walker over all score 17
Iain 43
steve 45
man nick walker far ahead of these two no comparison
but yes Iain has too many flaws and Steve little off in conditioning
it was very close though
looking at high quality pics on instagram, iain looks a 1000 times better there. I think it might be the case that the live stream just doesn't do him justice (as always). Hard to tell for sure without being there.
@@okankorad57 100% think he’s one of those people where the live streams don’t always do him justice. Actually thought based on the live stream that Iain had the edge in the end because Steve faded in both pre-judging and the night show, and his back was absolutely woeful… then after seeing some pics afterwards which accentuated how much better Iain’s conditioning was than Steve’s, I think he absolutely 100% deserved second.
Am I the only one who is soon excited to see Nick in the Olympia. If he keeps improving the way he does he has a shot at top 3. It will be interesting to see him up against Big Rommy and Brandon
no one does these better than you tom, thanks for the years of content!
Ik he should’ve been a real judge
@@jakeesparza5948 nah I don't think I'd be a great judge, at least not without a lot of practice. What they're doing is making snap judgements in second or two. That's very different and much harder than re-watching a video multiple times and freeze-framing shots, then picking the guys apart one body part at a time.
@@Tomn8er not bad at all a YTer that's honest
Bro I totally agree what you said about how Ian is too flawed to be placing highly at all these shows. I feel like the only real strength he has is conditioning
That's his main draw yes. He's got great quads and presentation from the side, a nice FLS. But otherwise yeah, I don't really get why the judges seem to love him so much.
Tomn8er I also notice that even thought his conditioning is good, he doesn’t have much sharp separation anywhere except the quads and delts. Idk how that is possible, but Steve is kinda the same way, I guess it’s a genetic thing?
He must have more Instagram followers than Steve lol
@@Tomn8er because he's cbum brother in law
Yeah, 2nd and 3rd place are both weak really. Steve has a wide waist, shitty back and arms and no separation. Ian only looks good in a front lat spread. No tris or calves, and his posing routines are the worst I've ever seen - although I haven't seen his routine here yet!! In some routines he doesn't even hit a front double biceps!! WTF!! That is THE bodybuilding pose!!
Nicks waist is so wide it’s honestly the thing I see the most when he’s up there but man has he made the rest of his physique freaky
Yea doesn’t have the pleasing physique. But he did his homework to suck it it in actual posing so that it doesn’t look ovious. When he is flexing, it looks decent and that what matters. His posing practice has made it not look bad
it's a shame, if only his structure was little better
@@ahlawymasry8743
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Nicks waist is thin? pffffffffffffff
The shorter u are the wider waist u have. Thats what i observe
@@ahlawymasry8743 Sorry no ,that is one big waist my friend
7:49 Ian's legs in relaxed from the back look comical. The complete lack of calves make his legs look like a lollipop. Not sure if he should get calf implants. Also Nick is great now but I feel his midsection is gonna be blown out soon. Ramy is the only mass monster that seems to have avoided the bubble gut.
I think if you measured Iain's calves they wouldn't be THAT small; it's just that his soleus muscle juts out so far it washes his calves out, giving him no sweep to the ankle.
@Samoht Still Lives!!!! Brandon is no mass monster.
His calves used to be really good, just type Iain Valliere 2014 in UA-cam, pretty sure he already did something sus before and it backfired, similar to Dexter Jackson 1999, they have the same look later on as Iain’s now
@@sam88wise22 Dexter never had good calves with muscles, he only had the "good" with some kind of implants/SEO. Then he gave up to implants and that was left was the weak calves.
@@ryutenmen yes, and I’m saying the same is probably true for Iain
Knew that Steve would end up falling and Ian would probably end up climbing spots in the finals, Kuclo tends to fade and Ian tends to improve in the finals/the more they pose. I think thats really all the difference Ian needed, it was a close 2nd/3rd otherwise and I think both guys have their major flaws, so naturally the guy who improved and brought a slightly more overall complete package to finals was the one who ended up taking 2nd.
Very good analogy!👍
agreed, and we see that happen all the time. Jay Cutler and Ronnie in 2001, and even Hadi last year. Not many know this but he was actually 2nd in the prejudging beating both Brandon and Phil decisively. He came in worse at the night show while both Phil and Brandon improved and both ended up placing ahead of Hadi.
Kuclo got robbed. Iain was flat.
@@lostinthehills1482 I wouldn't call it robbery when kuclo really fell short too
@@lostinthehills1482 Kuclo was soft...
Ian could easily be one of the worst bodybuilder from genetic standpoint.
No triceps horse shoe
No calves
Flat and very small chest
Uneven lat insertions and totally asymmetrical back.
Uneven and very small abs (to those who have seen his conventional abs and thigh)
For all those ian fanboys out there I am not questioning his work ethic. Very few bodybuilders on planet can out do him in hardwork.
People been spewing the same thing since his NY win, you're not special. Clearly he's doing something right.
@@testtset7946 reminds me of Bonac. Not that best genetics but he just beats people with better genetics with how refined/shredded he looks.
@@MaestroJericho bonac has way better genetics than iain
@@MaestroJericho wtf a two time arnold champ doesn’t have great genetics? Lol bonac has great genetics
Ian has pretty good flow, more of like an athletic physique. In which case if he can bring up his pecs, back, and add more size to the quads without washing out the detail, he'll be deadly. His genetics are much better than people give him credit for.
Walker has such a powerlifter/weightlifter build. He has that dense look too that looks like he lifts heavy. Crazy how he comes with that conditioning with that power build.
bro I think you perfectly explained why I love nick even tho people say he has bad structure but damn he looks so strong and powerful
Yea like his neck muscles all the way up his head are huge, idk how he gets them like that. But does he even lift heavy? When I've seen him briefly, he lifted very slow and controlled. Like he's really strict in how he moves the weight, as an old school guy it's almost surprising he can get so huge lifting like that.
dallas type beat
@Nicholas Holland exactly. It's really the separation and thin skin that is making the difference, most of these guys don't have proper separation and or have thick skin that covers their muscles. Iain is probably just as conditioned as Nick, but his thick skin and bad separation isn't really showing it
Nick gives me Jay Cutler vibes. Hes wide & filled out with muscle, well seperated ab lines & tree trunk legs.
In the area of 30 seconds"live timing without the pause" that walker held his legs tensed ,fully flexed or very near in the rear double bicep through the rear lat spread. The others relax or release tension in between. He has an elite athlete mindset. That was as well done.
Nothing personal against Iain, I'm just thoroughly confused with his placings. Tom said it best, too many flaws.
Exactly..
Steve not as conditioned as iain and kinda fading out on finals. Steve was wining on scorecards during pre judging but as usual he faded out in finals and ian's conditioning improved. You can check the scorecard and see that it was a matter of two points
Man, these guys are looking more and more unhealthy by the day. I feel like one of them will suddenly burst one day. Nick's midsection looks gross.
And Where's that old school seperation? None of the guys have it.
Love your content. You give unbiased assessments and are one of the few channels to point out the obvious at this show. Iain Valiere’s flawed physique. I’ve been saying all year, something is wrong with the state of bodybuilding or the way it’s being judged when a ‘top’ guy is missing so many key body parts and lacking symmetry. Is it a positive direction for the sport to have someone considered elite with a weak chest, weak triceps, shallow abs, overly wide hips, a back lacking details, poor symmetry, and no calves? Should that type of deficient physique be consistently winning or placing well at top level shows?? No. This is not something to be prized. Especially when the goal is to be as close to perfect as possible. You don’t pay extra to get a diamond with more inclusions, you pay for it to be as flawless as possible!
Yes, good posing is there to help hide weaknesses and accentuate your strengths, but when you are missing the triceps in a side triceps, isn’t there a point where you should get penalized?? I mean this guy is missing whole body parts! Isn’t this a little like showing up to a ‘wellness’ competition with no butt & thighs and always winning or placing near the top?!? I’m exaggerating a little, but if that happened, wouldn’t you be saying to yourself, “Hmmm… Something’s not quite right here...”.
Even Arnold brought this up during the commentary. He mentioned Iain’s lack of symmetry and weak body parts.
Iain works hard and comes in conditioned. I respect that, but this is also about genetics, structure & symmetry. Sometimes you don’t have what you don’t have. One thing covered up well I could accept, but for an elite level pro to be missing so much and still get rewarded so highly is both puzzling and troubling to me…
This. People don't hate Iain personally, but he sure has flawed physique in both upper and lower body.
There is something odd about Iain’s physique, quite honestly even if Kuclo was fading he still looks a little better than Iain. Also, I see Nick Walker’s physique being washed up later on synonymous to Branch after placing 2nd at the Olympia.
I agree. No hate at all toward Ian as I like to watch some of his content on YT and appreciate his attitude...BUT....when you're a professional bodybuilder, you put yourself on a stage practically naked for the sole purpose of having your physique JUDGED by everyone. So, judging is what people will do. No hate, just the name of the game.😉😎
Both Iain and Steve suck. Plain and simple. These 2 guys finishing 2nd and 3rd show the sad state of the Open class.
I wouldn't even try to state all their weak points. Look at Steve's front double bi at 0:21! His arms suck, his waist is wide, he has no separation at all and never has. On the plus side Steve has very good calves - whoopee doo!! You've covered Iain's weak points, except for his posing routine which is the WORST I've ever seen!! Iain doesn't even hit a front double biceps in his posing routine, and no surprise - because it sucks. Iain's only good poses are from the side, and his front lat spread. Every other pose looks bad! I won't even mention his calves - oops - just did!! Iain and Steve suck, but Nick isn't much better.
Nick's left arm is the best in the history of bodybuilding. It's ridiculous. In off season photos it must measure 24"??
But it's twice the size of his right arm, and that gut is going to be a problem.
Future Mr Olympia?? Maybe if he lives that long, and can improve that horrible front lat spread pose?? Which i'm sure he can't!!
I don't wish ill to anyone but this show served Sergio Jr right. Dude was trash talking about all the shows this year that he didn't do, said the winners didn't have to go through real competition, kept posting about his old glory trying to foreshadow others spotlight and now when he went up against all those winners he placed behind them all. Like someone said in one of his posts, the biggest achievement of his is that he's the son of Legendary Sergio Oliva.
Yeah his comments about lack of competition were bogus. When he won the NY Pro a couple years ago the lineup was also pretty weak. I still feel 6th was probably too low for him though.
He just doesn't look improved. Still needs to fill out parts of his frame. And that with all this time off
Facts, he still living off his father's name sadly.
Sergio Jrs. Biggest Legacy:
Being the son of Sergio Sr.
Thats priceless bro. Hes a crybaby ass poooopoo diaper wearing millennial. Cant wait foe the excuses
Couldn't agree more all that talk portraying himself as a Top 5 Olympia competitor, looks like he got what he deserve.
Ian is paying someone under the table lol
😂😂 I think it’s because of his size and the judges like it
More horrible lighting. You can see striations in ian's quads every now and then, but then all 3 go back into the darkness. Wish we got a fair look where we could actually see conditioning
Totally agree. It’s honestly insane that companies putting on events where the main attraction is viewing, in detail, the competitors, and the lighting sucks nearly every time.
@@Day-ZDuke its amazing that ian, a guy who thrives on fine detail and conditioning, gets all this hate for his placing when we actually cannot tell what the hell he really looks like in this show
@@nick128_9 Iain wasn't beating Nick in this show. I've seen Iain in person in Tampa where he was severely out conditioned by Phil Clahar. Enough so that most people in attendance thought he didn't do enough to win. Iain is a fine bodybuilder but he's not the next great bodybuilder.
Iain is becoming the King of Controversial Decisions. Some people really hate him.
One of those things you need to see in person
People don't hate him personally. It just some people don't think he deserve the spotlight with glaring weaknesses such as sunken chest, weak triceps and no calves. Phil Heath should pass the nickname "the gift" to Iain.
@@testtset7946 idk why people keep saying that. I saw him in Tampa and thought he lost to an aging Phil Clahar. There's nothing about him that really pops but he has glaring weaknesses that immediately grab your eye. In Tampa by far the most holy shit guy on stage was Phil. He looked like a vascular slab of granite turned into a person.
Yea he has nothing that stands out like wow. The only thing that stands out is his weaknesses
It’s so weird when he’s relaxed there’s nothing there but when he hits the shots it all comes out.
Iian’s calves from the back are so ridiculously bad. His nickname should be Captain Peg Leg Iian Valliere
Modern open bodybuilding is so poor nowadays. The quality just isn't there. Some decent individual body parts. All have poor to mediocre rear development. Calf development is poor in all. They all look awkward in the front lat.. No deep separation in any of them.. These guys need to look back the way in order to improve their physiques.
The Tomn8er is back thank god!!!
I really don’t understand iain’s placing. His mediocre back and other lagging body parts make him look frail when he stands next to guys with more quality muscle. His only genuinely good shots are his front lat spread, quarter turns, and his fdb. Does that change the fact he’s a high level competitor either way? No. However, I haven’t agreed with a single high placing he’s received recently.
To add one other thing: I wish I could give his side chest and triceps more credit. His whole body looks great, but when the namesakes of the pose are that glaringly weak, it should really effect how the pose is judged in my opinion.
Agreed and I'm really torn about him in those side shots for that reason. See my pinned comment.
He looks strange with no calves no horse shoe
@@Tomn8er oh ya I read it and to some extent I agree with those two being anyone’s game. I absolutely see why it could go either way regarding the side chest. I’d disagree with the side triceps though, I personally thought Steve had it pretty handily. Like you said in your prejudging video Steve hits the pose pretty well. His execution tonight was a bit worse by comparison but I think his still-pleasing presentation and solid triceps give him a distinct edge over Iain. Certainly Steve’s legs are the “worst” of the three but the difference isn’t glaring enough that I’d throw away the pose. Iain’s toothpicks he calls calves even out the superior side leg in my head anyways.
@@kirillnovikov9077 the simile I can think of for the side chest and tri is something like a cake made of frosting. Ya it’s technically a cake, but you’re missing what’s making it a cake!
Thing is he is placing high in these shows because noone is coming in to place him lower. The competition just isn't there. You will see his flaws once he stands next to Brandon, Ramy, Hadi, Hollingshead, Walker, Bonac, Hunter, and DeAsha
Hunter? 🤣 Literally the most overrated up and coming body builder out there; Virtually no back. Also Bonac is quite questionable considering how much he regressed when he cut ties with his old coach. I'd say Nick could easily place 4th behind Hadi, Brandon and Ramy. Could even beat Brandon if he hasn't fixed his leg issue.
@@tiddybagel bro I'm talking about Iain
@@tiddybagel I have Nick top 4 at Olympia
@@ejg34 Hunter will get smoked by Iain infact i see hunter placing 8th-9th this year.
@@tiddybagel Brandin won’t fix legs. Nick will probably be top 3 unless others are off.
Well deserved win for the mutant, surprised Ian came second, I guess Steve needs to be drier.
I agree with Iain placing so high in the shows. I have no idea wtf the judges are looking. Zero calves and triceps are non existent. Chest is sub par and lat inserts are mid back. Seriously has to be politics playing a role here.
Sadly the golden era of body building is far gone . . .
Dude, it's been 30 years
Too bad Bonac couldn’t get over here in time. Would have loved to see those two go at it here
This is a tremendously descriptive, detailed breakdown Tomn8er. Fantastic content!
weak top 3 imo, not a fan of these guys physiques at all.. mens open bb definitely aint what it used to be.
The bodybuilding field is garbage now, compared to just 7 years ago... Wolf, Branch, Compton, Kai, Cedric, etc. etc. would annihilate this group...
NICK MUTANT WALKER IS COMING TO SHOCK EVERYONE AT THE OLYMPIA 💪🥇👍
Just not a fan of nick walker .. cool guy just his structure I’m not a fan of… too blocky looking for my liking.. but that’s his dna 🧬 gene structure so can’t change much
I think to understand how Ian does so well in comps u have to see him in person as in every video I've seen of him in comp he doesn't impress me.
The condition of Ian and Steve is horrendous imo. Compare them to the early 00's why the hell conditioning is not so top tier anymore???
Agreed Tomn8er Nick has to find a better way to hit the front lat spread pose and maybe throw forward 1 quad in the ab & thigh like Cutler use to. It helped Jay hide his box'y shape as the eye was drawn to the separation in the abs & quad rather then looking for the perfect X frame - very few in open have!
Really missed your videos Tom, hope you are well and thanks for the content
I think Valliere’s chest may be showing signs of that weird atrophy.
He's beating it up too hard. Its when you tear it up too much with heavy weights and it doesn't heal right.
yeah, he shown the early symptom of pectoral gaps.
If NICK W comes in Better than this Arnold,i predict him winning the Olympia 💪🥇👍
Winning the Olympia this year??? He was great at this show but the competition isn't even close to the Olympia. I think he's 5-8th at the Olympia which is a great accomplishment.
PERFECT analysis, sir. I agree with you on each detail in the individual poses as well as overall. And yes, you're right, Hadi vs. Nick at their best would be INSANE - oh yeah, throw Flex Lewis in there too! Nick will definitely be Top 5 at the O unless Brandon, Phil (is he competing?), Hadi, Roelly all show up in insane shape.
Remember when people were debating Blessing vs Nick hahahaha.
Walker is definitely gonna be a contender for the Olympia, then on down the road in the not too far distant future, a contender for the bubble gut bonanza as early signs of development in that area are already emerging which should make Dave Palumbo and Big Lenny very VERY nervous at this juncture.
Iain has some of the best glutes of all time. Do a top 10 glutes Tom!!
Gtfoh. Ian gets handouts BECAUSE he is the current Mr.Classic Olympias COACH AND BROTHRR IN LAW
POLITICS AT ITS FINEST SIR
After watching Arnold classic I dont think any other guy can challenge top 5(ramy, hadi, brandon, bonac and nick) of olympia, these top 5 will be miles ahead. There will be a battle for 6th spot.
@Samoht Still Lives!!!! May be you are right but none of the other olympia 2nd call out guys can match his conditioning or muscle maturity. He can atleast secure that 5th spot
I hate Ian's body... Like he has no chest whatsoever no fullnesss
Bonac, Roelly, Cedric missing from this show. I was looking forward to a few of those comparisons. Nick looked great. I like Justin. He could have deserved 3rd. This was still a good lineup. Bummed Akim came out of shape. Oliva looks like he's putting on a ton of size.
3:30 nick is hands down the best, but i like how iain hits this pose, because his traps are up…and that variation just makes you look bigger….the other 2 guys just have a straight line across from shoulder to shoulder.
Nick fucking delivered it. Hype was worth it
For sure
He's handling his business, everybody dropping out ain't his problem.
@@nukeboy4939 Even without them dropping out I think he would have still won..
Thanks Tom for pointing out Nick’s midsection when everyone else is acting like it isn’t concerning at all. While Nick still hasn’t completely destroyed it yet, it’s alarming how it’s gotten worse already from the New York Pro and he’s already teetering a bit on distention at 26 years old. People are acting like since his abs are defined that means his midsection is good.. does everyone forget that Ronnie Coleman was a thing?
I totally agree ...Doesnt look very esthetic a thick waist and stomach out ..
The lighting at the 2021 Arnold classic sucks!
Iain was WAAAAAAAAY better than Steve
big respect to them all but these physiques are ugly.
I haven't seen anyone flatter than ian on stage ever
love this bodybuilding channel, especially the fact that you actually talk about bodybuilding and give insightful analysis not just give some vague comment like he looks sharper. Thank god you don't "report" on bodybuilding drama that is actually based on IG comments
why does the stage lighting suck so bad... just turn everything in the back off
No calf Valliere is an atrocity
i personally had iain 5th 🤔🤔
Iain looked great. If you can't see his attributes you are blind. All builders don't have the same structure.
What attributes do you speak of?
Thanks for putting this together so quickly!
The quality of physiques and judges ain't the same as before.
These guys fuqin suck!!
Ian might be harder than nick in certain areas💀💀💀 *sus*
Nick deserved the win, but the best he'll do at the Mr O is 5th or 6th.
Brandon ramy n hadi are going to expose him they have the muscularity and aesthetics to go with it
Arnold Classic usually have a pretty strong lineup but this year it was weak. Hope for a better average next year.
I think they got it right. And an excellent top 3 it was, congrats to Nick, dude looks insane. Ian looked amazing too
By the time nick has matured that muscle he will be untouchable 😎
Honestly been over a yr since ive seen ian and his calves still look so horrible
whats blue underwear guy doing in top 3 lol, that shows the low level of competiton
6:34
Why does steve use bikini pro hips on his shoulders?
Hi, Mr. Tomn8r, Wheres Arnold's voice intro, come on Sir, bring it back. Please.
I honestly can't believe how big Iains arms are and has no horse what's so ever... He's all long head of the triceps
Word has it, that lain had to leave early, cos someone stole his calves😬
Gratz to Nick ridiculous performance really happy for him !
4:23 also no claves. Even Arnold himself was laughing at him
Ian should definitely no be getting second or third, and he SHOULD NEVER win a decent bb show. He should be in the top 10, but with no calves, very very weak back, narrow clavicles, very week chest, and no triceps. In bodybuilding from the major groups of muscles, you have back, arms, quads and hams, shoulders, chest, abs, calves, and forearms. 1/2 of his back is missing, 1/2 of his arms (triceps, is missing or is just plain ugly, or there), 1/2 of his chest is missing, and his calves are missing. I would estimate give or take that a 3rd or 33% of his muscle groups are not there, and will never be there, because it's genetics/injury related. What he does have left which is 67% of a bodybuilder, is not perfect, average-ish and his lines are pretty ugly on a small somewhat narrow structure, with good biceps and quads. So in his current form he should look like 50% of a Mr. O, and and like 60-70% of a Arnold winner level stage. With ideal conditioning, working on his back, chest and tris, his max potential ever should be 70-75% of a Mr. O and like 85-100% of Mr. A. Looking at his competition in Arnold he should have gotten 4-5 th. It doesn't matter how conditioned he is, conditioning in the first 6, except Nick was like 85-90% in the same range, but the were structures in the first 6 that are easily above 15% differential in mass/structure/flow. This is bodybuilding, so structure, mass should ALWAYS come first, otherwise don't make it bodybuilding, this is about building your body, adding mass to it, first and foremost, aesthetics after. A decent show has decent competition, so you can always pick somewhat complete bodybuilders with decent conditioning, so picking 2/3 rds of a bodybuilder in the first callout is not excusable. The only possible explanation is corruption. Fuck Iain and the corrupt judges
I personally would have Steve winning the side chest and side tricep because if you don’t have a chest for the side chest or any triceps for the side tricep then you don’t meet the mandatories of the pose and don’t deserve to win it, plus Ian was just so flawed, with no calves, no triceps, small chest, and a narrow back, that to me is not worthy of second place at the Arnold classic so I would have Ian in 3rd and Steve in 2nd but nick still is the winner.
The other contenders were no where near of Nick walker. Nick walker was far more great than others
This may have been Nick's peak. I don't know that he'll ever do better.
Naahhh fuck that I honestly don’t ever reply or comment on people opinions cuz obviously he is entitled to his own. But when it’s this off, in my opinion, I gotta say something. No fuhkinggg way in hell is steve beating nick in the most muscular and the exact reason he didn’t in the most muscular awards. Cuz nick blew everyone out of the water. Damn near the most conditioned. And 100% the most muscular on stage. I feel like people forget everyone is built different. Yes nick may not have the structure of the guys like Steve, but his detail and overall muscularity outweighs that factor, in almost everyone opinion. That’s why he fuhking killed it🥳
The Ronnie Coleman should have his own award and competition. No one has sacrificed more for the sport of bodybuilding!! Bodybuilding is his life and he's always representing it. Let's give him his flowers while he's still with us. Please Please Please!! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Mr. Olympia
Definitely agree with what another commenter said. Iian improved and Steve got slightly worse for finals. Since it was really close the whole way, they rewarded the guy who improved which makes sense.
Another aspect is that streve couldn’t really “expose” iian that much.
He has a much betttwr chest and tricep, but iians posing for those side shots is way better.
Iian has weak ab and thigh, but Steve couldn’t pull a very impressive pose off either .
Iian has a mediocre to bad back lat spread, but Steve’s condition made that shot quite lacking.
Same thing with back double, tho I think iian was just overall better.
Basically any of the really weak spots of iian are also weaker areas of Steve for this show (outside of claves lmao) and Justin just lacks the legs to push himself above those guys.
Not impressed with the lineup. How tall ( short ) is Walker?
Nothing against Iain but I really don't see how conditioning can carry him so much on these top tier shows, his physique is absolutely flawed, no round muscles bellies, small chest, no tricep shape, no calves, weird proportions, mediocre back, maybe it's the damn photos and in person he appears way better but so far I really don't know man, I feel like Steve has the superior physique, better build, I think that Steve's downfall was the fact that he was starting to fade HARD especially from the back during the finals
I'm glad to hear you don't care if it's unpopular because Nick has one of the best most muscular poses in bodybuilding and he also has the best rear double bicep and bodybuilding maybe ever. They haven't quad shot on Nick you're correct about that's when his place looks wide is in that one pose. Also rear last bread wasn't close bro go back and look at the picture when they're in the pose next lower half smokes their ass along with the fact that he's so much thicker in the upper back and more defined it's not even close. However, his rear double bicep is probably his best post. Is front of a biceps nice too and both his side shots are really good. Next worst pose by far is the last spread and front relaxed. He cleans those up before this Olympia and he's going to be tough. He has brought tremendous conditioning for the New York the Arnold and Olympia in 21
Not to hate or anything but Iain's triceps are totally flat from a bodybuilder point of view, no separation between triceps muscles, no horseshoe, Just a plain muscle. Same story with his calves his legs are pretty good but his calves throw off the whole scene. I also agree with Tom about Ian lagging in side chest, His far peck doesn't 'protrude' or like jut out like Nick's or Steve's pec does. I dont know if these points are due to his training style or due to his genetics, if its his training style or something that he can change then he should work on it. Nick has really good physique if only Nick had a smaller waist nuke everyone at every show.
Nick have a big problem.
Wide waist & bubble guts.
Ian is built like LIMU EMU FROM THOSE LIBERTY MUTUAL COMMERCIALS, IAN NO CALVES NO CHEST NO TRICEPS, JUST A BIG STRIATED BUTT HE SHOULD'VE BEEN IN LAST PLACE!!!! DAMN I MISS THE 90S BODYBUILDERS!!!!!
How many roids does it take to get that kind of physique. And it's always the same super steroid bodies been done a million times. Bodybuilding is no longer interesting to watch I like extreme but extreme is just too much anymore. Your painting false expectations in little kids heads of what is possible without peds. Would love to see bodybuilding come back down out of the clouds. Back to actual attainable physiques on natural hormone levels. But I suppose those days are long gone
Watched an hour of late seventies/eighties olympia compilations today and jeez do these guys look weird. Fucking legs look awful. Far too big and blocky. Cut down on the leg pressing and do more squats. Seems like they sacrifice conditioning for size. Walker will look like a turtle in 3 years as well
Nick is a clone of jay cutler just needs more improvement especially regards too the a a GUTTS....jesus and more latts...total and will be mr olympia....no doubt.....looks like future mr olympia....
Kuclo's legs have no seperation from the side, his back is terrible, and his abs are non existent...and he should have lost a another spot mininum just for his stupid wife being annoying. Iian's lack of calves is enough in itself that he should never ever be allowed to place higher than 2nd. It literally looks like he dosent even train them.....and Nick fing crushed it.
No disrespect and maybe video quality isn't great but top 3 here look more like 10 11 12 in terms of condition anesthetics quality etc. Bodybuilding still going backwards somehow...
Why do judges not factor calves in at all? I like Iain but his lack of calves proportionate to his quads really throws off his look. Bodybuilding shouldn’t just accept drumstick legs as the norm.
Nick looked great, but he's on the edge of losing his gut.
Nick was the best part of the show hands down he was the only thing that made the show good. Every other competitor came in off that’s the best thing everyone says you can hear it from all the commentary channels. The show commentators were laughable 😂. And the lighting was terrible. If this is what an arnold classic is supposed to be then this is disappointing. 😂
Nicks Sternum is not well developed, it’s why he looks weird in the front lat spread. Also makes his stomach look strange at the top in some poses. In contrast to someone like Arnold who has a sternum like a doberman pincher. Nothing Nick can do about that, but it might prevent him from being the best.
A Very Good Analyzing, Well Done Brother!
And Congrats To The New Kid In Town Nick Walker!
Cannot see how you’re putting Steve over Nick in MM. striated pecks and the width/conditioning crush Steve imo. Not even close. Nick top 5 hands clasped ever arguably.
Hady conditining is almost second to none,Nick has better arms and forearms,Olympia will be a great show,Ian thghs and calves,im sorry but in my modest opinion are not at Olympia level,i think that Hassan in the next two years if he hits the conditioning right will be a great contender too.
Kucklo has by far the best calves of the three. Walker has varicose calves, painfully so. Ian has less calf development than average female high school cheerleaders. Of course, calves no longer matter in these competitions of late.
Heeee guy.... Ian have no calves.....he took the seconds place.....foufffff what kind of judgements is this ??? in the end symmetry is worse...
Nick is going to be lucky getting top 30 Olympia😂….
Nick calling out Big Ramy may have been premature. BR doesn't just have size, he have an asthetic structure where nick comes with just size.
ohhh my shit Walker smoked all of em. I knew he was gonna.