Emotional! Oh Father - Madonna Reaction
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- We're reacting to Madonna's Oh Father. What a song!
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She wasn’t abused as a child. She was neglected to a degree by her father who was grieving and left to a succession of nannies until he married one that she didn’t get on with. The video is showing her reaction as a child and how it affected her relationship with men (she was getting divorced from Sean Penn at the time) who didn’t necessarily treat her well. But it also shows how as an adult she was able to understand and make peace with her father who she has a great relationship with now.
Thank you so much for the additional background info! It really helps to put the song/video into a larger context. :)
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Yes, just as you have said, and it is a commentary on the Catholic Church patriarchy, who her Catholic Italian father partly represented for her (her mother was Catholic also but French Canadian)
Neglect is abuse. Sorry to take issue in this regard.
@@s.tupper4159I concur. Neglect is abuse.
As others have said, neglect is abuse. I remember the first time I saw Breakfast Club and Ally Sheedy - after being asked by Emilio Estavez what her parents do to her - says, "They ignore me," I had to stop the movie until I could pull myself together. I was abused. The physical abuse wasn't too bad, but the emotional abuse thoroughly messed me up for years. It wasn't until my forties that I finally was able to fully move on from the damage. The worst thing about abuse is that, as a child, you literally have nothing to depend on except your parents, the ones responsible for you, the ones who are supposed to love you and protect you. My father sexually abused my sisters and at least one of my brothers that I know of, he was physically abusive (to a much larger extent to my older siblings than to me and my younger brother), and he was emotionally abusive to a degree that took me literally decades to recover from. My mother didn't help things; she was always quick to shower us with hugs and kisses, but in the end, she enabled his abuse. She constantly made excuses for him, said he was abused as a child himself (so why the hell would he continue the cycle with his own children?).
But in the end, it all boils down to the same thing. We were children. We depended on our parents. We believed in them because we had to; there was literally no other option. So whether it was emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, or as you claim, being "neglected to a degree" because of bullshit, it all hurts, it all leaves scars, it all damages children who have no way to protect themselves when they don't feel safe or seen.
The cover was by sia, madonna's mother died when she was 5. The oh father song and the video are masterpieces
Thank you so much for the background info about Madonna's mother - very appreciated! Such a great song and video! :)
Madonna''s Mother is also named Madonna - Madonna Junior was the eldest girl, and she looks just like her mother too - Her mother was a radiology nurse, and in those days (1950-60s) when they did not protect themselves from radiation, she contracted cancer. Her father an Italian Migrant who is an engineer with Chrysler, so he was kept very busy with a large Catholic family to support. Madonna Senior and her father hadn't disclosed the cancer diagnosis and one day, her mother was alive though frail and the next, she was gone. The sewing of her mother's mouth was the last image of her mother. She was terribly scared of that image as it would haunt her to this day (her most recent Madame X record cover Madonna has her mouth sewn up like the last image of her mother); she said that the adults should not have let her see her mother with her mouth sewn shut because she didn't understand why and she never spoke to anyone about it. Her father was overwhelmed with grief and a large young family that he couldn't look after for a while and separated the children, who stayed with various family members.
Madonna said that due to her name and striking resemblance to her mother, her father couldn't bare to look at her nor call her name as it always reminded him of the loss. When the family returned, her father hired a nanny and soon after he married the nanny. This was when it became even more unbearable for Madonna as her new stepmother detested her due to her name and striking resemblance to her husband's deceased wife, and she witnessed her husband who would treat Madonna like a princess and could not say no her (possibly feeling guilty for neglect) - what ended up happening is the stepmother was abusive to Madonna and drew blood on one accusation when Madonna answered back to her as she would always do, Madonna refused to call her mom and the stepmother was furious - reminding her that she's not her mother - That was the dynamics of her childhood home. She left home at 20 to further her career as a dancer in NYC, where she got a scholarship to the prestigious Alvin Alley Dance School and spent 5 years living hand to mouth in the streets of NYC and a lot of abuse. The abuse didn't stop after she became famous.
She hit the worldwide charts in late 1984 with Like a Virgin, and the following year, she married the famous yet egotistical Sean Penn in August 1985. Soon after that, he was abusing her physically and mentally (I know the fans refuse to accept the bad stuff in her life, and they still insist it's media gossip, not fact , but it's not, and there is a police report with the policeman stating how she entered his office bruised and bloodied where she accused her husband Sean - later she retracted the charges).
Here is the whole blown truth of this video single, and once I mention it, you shall see the connection. I know I'm right as I lived through it as her biggest fan since 1984 - All the men Madonna loved up to that point in her life had been abusive towards her, and here is as she had the three Father figures represented in the video.
1. Her father wasn't physically abusive but was mentally abusive and disconnected from her; she yearned for his love, so having the stepmother between them was a mechanism for her dad to keep his feelings in check. He honestly couldn't stand looking at her because he saw his wife in her eyes (her mother, Madonna is a French Canadian, and both parents were migrants).
2. Her husband, Sean Penn, was represented as the alcoholic who slapped her face and left bruises on her face - this was all in the police report; just before she left, Sean had tied her up on a chair and slapped her around, grabbed scissors and began cutting her hair. Madonna thankfully escaped, jumped into her car and drove to the police station, where she gave them her statement once Sean was sober, begging her to stay. Madonna had enough and told him she would withdraw the accusation to save his career, and because she was embarrassed as we, the fans saw her as a strong woman in charge of her life - you can imagine it was the height of her career.
3. (three just like the trinity) The Hierarchy of Order that is the "Roman Catholic Church" - so the priest in the video represented the father figures in the Church as they mentally abused her just by the guilt she continuously held for sinning in everyday life but most of all she felt an extreme burden and guilty when she decided to divorce Sean in 1988 - Madonna said she felt a tremendous amount of guilt and suffering, she felt like a failure because as a Catholic you can't divorce. The MEN of the cloth force unhappy couples or women in abusive marriages to remain together no matter the situation, so they end up living miserable lives.
Like a lot of women, Madonna had a complicated life with men, especially during the 80s and 90s.
So much more I can say - I hope this gives you an understanding of why Madonna expresses herself with religious ideology and is always championing minorities and women to empower themselves.
Wow - Thank you so much for taking the time to give us a better understanding of Madonna's story. It really helps to know more of her experiences and motivations as we go on this musical journey. Truly appreciated! :)
@@OurAnxiousReactions-Well, they recited that out of rag magazine articles and inaccurate biographies in large part.Madonna’s mother died at 32 from breast cancer already having six kids and a home to take care of, no clue where he got the radiology nurse story from, but not true. Lol
Her best ballad! Beautiful, sad, confessional...just perfect.
Such a beautiful song! :)
One of her GREATEST visual messages. This song has even more meaning today.
This video and song brings me to tears every time. Madonna is such a masterful storyteller.
My God, I STILL get chills at the bridge.
She writes the most amazing bridges
@@gamerlest509 Yessss!!!
My faves are Live to tell and Deeper and deeper bridges but that could change in the next half hour!!
@@gamerlest509 I feel you 💯
Yes madonnas mother died from breast cancer when she was 5 and she's felt that pain for years. Her and her father have a great relationship
I would love to see you go through Madonna’s whole videography from start to most current, she has had the most amazing journey from writing, producing, singing/vocals as well as, working her way through every genre of music there is. A young girl from Detroit came to New York to be a professional dancer and ended up the best selling female recording artist of all time and living legend.
We're very excited to follow Madonna's musical journey (and what a journey she's had!). :)
First of all, love the Madonna reactions! Keep em coming ladies. This is one of Madonna's greatest ballads. She is such a storyteller. This video is one the best music videos of all time and definitely in Madonna's top 5. David Fincher (the director) really knows how to capture and move within the frame and the cinematography is divine. As a filmmaker, I appreciate this on so many levels. Madonna's mother died when she was 5 and was probably the most singular impactful event in her life until at least her daughter was born.
Thank you so much! :) And we really appreciate your perspective and thoughts on this beautiful video as a filmmaker!
Madonna's ballads are the best.
Yes, her mother died of cancer when she was 5 or 6. She did see her mother's mouth sewn shut. She also referenced that on her Madame x album where she is styled resembling her mother and has her lips sewn together.
Thank you for sharing that! :) So interesting that she used that imagery for the Madame X album.
her mom passed when Madonna was 6 from breast cancer...Madonna felt alone and this video and song are loosely based on that, her father wasnt abusive but from what Madonna has said, got remarried very quickly, and Madonna left home at a young age of 19
this song always had me in tears
This song actually peaked at #20 in the US and ended her consecutive streak of back to back top 10 singles starting in 1984. Maybe it was too sophisticated for Pop Radio. Nonetheless a timeless song and video.
Btw Emily, you are so lucky to have such a wonderful, open minded mom like Brenda who you can share things like that with and who has such a love for music/ art. It's very special. :)
We're both lucky to be able to share this musical journey with wonderful people like you! ❤️
When I came out in 1990 to my father, he didn’t accept it very well and we didn’t speak for a couple of years after he threw me out of the house. Fast forward 30 years and he finally told me why he reacted in such a terrible way to me, and that I’d found out he was sexually abused as a teenager. We finally made peace with one another and he told me how proud he was of my life with my husband. Then he passed away in 2020 and I played this, that’s when the final verse hit me hard, as many people don’t really mean to be cruel. Somebody hurt them too.❤
Thank you so much for sharing this. Can't imagine how difficult it must've been to be rejected when you initially came out to your father...
How beautiful that you two were ultimately able to come together again (and how wonderful that he was able to express how proud he was of you before he passed). ❤️❤️
Ladies did you notice the falling pearl motif that keeps showing up in different scenes? Oh Father has to be her most underrated singles and videos (during that peak of her career)
Thank you for pointing out the falling pearls - We'll have to rewatch that one to check it out! :) Such a moving song and video.
This is a masterpiece, one often overlooked. Thanks for your very insightful reaction. Madonna is a nice plate for reactions, as her lyrics are multilayered. Please go on your Madonna journey. It will be a pleasure to follow. If i may, I suggest Live to Tell, live from the Confessions Tour.
Thank you so much for the kind words! We appreciate the suggestion as well and will add it to our reaction list :)
Well, I would definitely suggest the Live To Tell video first and foremost as it’s another beautiful song/ballad.
@@OurAnxiousReactionsPlease do it!! We will love it, I’m sure!!
one of her more underrated songs
Great reaction!!! This song is highly underrated in my opinion. I think you both picked up on so many of the details that a lot of people miss. So many of Madonna's songs have double or even multiple meanings. I'm not a very religious person, but for some reason I find the undertones of her faith (Catholic ) and spirituality laced throughout so much of her music comforting. Madonna was very much affected by the death of her mother at such an early age, and with 8 children to raise after losing his wife, I'm sure it wasn't easy for any of them. 👑💙
Thank you! We're so happy you liked it. :) And we completely agree about the song being highly underrated.
@Our Anxious Reactions…Oh Father…evoked the male figures that one way or another she’s had a love/hate experience that shaped her life and career; from her biological father, to God/Jesus, the pries/the Pope/the Church with a male dominated hierarchy, her former husbands and past boyfriends. The premature death of her beloved mom at age 30 when Madonna was just age 5 haunted her specially her seeing her mom’s lips stitched up during her mortuary viewing was an image that indelibly imprinted in her memory. It could also symbolized her struggles with censorship throughout her career. The close-up cover photo of her 2019 Madam X album of her deathly ashen hue face and her lips sewed up with the letters MADAMEX speaks to this.
This song resonated with people who have similar traumatic experience. In 2004 she wrote a sort of sequel to this song-Mother and Father-which is as introspective. Really appreciate your insightful reaction to this song and for covering Madonna’s music and artistry.
@@briandubois-gilbert8182 Thank you so much! Madonna's music has taken on a completely new meaning for us due to the wonderful insight and context we've been given by viewers. We will definitely add Mother and Father to our Madonna reaction list! :)
This song was written for a friend for what they had gone through as a child. As song one who survived an abusive childhood, this song was a refuge for helping me heal
Thank you so much for sharing that with us. It's incredible how the right song at the right time in our lives can give us strength and help provide the emotional healing we need. Sending so much love to you. ❤️❤️
Madonna has said later in her career that the anger she felt for her dad for many years was that after their mother died, that they rarely as a family was ever able to speak about what happened. Shortly after their mother died her father remarried and he didn't want to talk about what happened, and the kids didn't ever feel like they got to grieve. It changed Madonna, and because of that she became who she is today; because of the heartache of her mothers death.
Thank you for sharing that background info with all of us. ❤️
One of the best videos ever made. Hauntingly beautiful.
yes her mom died young and she was profoundy affected by her loss and her dad's anger afterwards - this video is about how they coped afterwards and struggled but came to understand each other and forgive
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Queen of Pop
How beautiful xxx
Beautiful and stunning haunting video - should have won loads of awards but alas nada 🙄
So yes, madonnas mother died when she was 5 years old. This song is in regards of Madonna’s father marrying the housekeeper. Madonna had some resentment towards that. This video and song was the representation of that experience. No, madonna was not abused by her father, she actually loves her father, but as a middle child she was outcasted and rebellious.
The live Blonde Ambition Tour version takes a like a prayer interpretation
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Madonna's mother was only 30 when she passed away.
Thank you for sharing that with us.
If you haven't already, please do a reaction to "Like A Flower"....it was recorded during the "Ray Of Light" album recording sessions but never made the album
Madonna’s mother dyeing when she was 5 is the catalisar to the woman she became. These are her words
Growing in a family of 5 or 6 siblings with only a strict father figure around can explain her rebellion spirit and her competitive sharpnesses. I’m guessing here 😎
The sewed lips are a reference to her mother, she had her lips sewed on her coffin before burial. On the cover of her last record she makes again the same reference
I feel that you both summarized this video better than anyone that I've heard before. Simply Great.❤
Thank you so much! ❤️
@@OurAnxiousReactions You're very welcome. It's refreshing to see such sweet wholesome life affirming and positive conversations that give people a sense of heartfelt generosity of spirit. The light of Love truly shines inside of both of you. You are so appreciated.
Awww, you're incredibly sweet. Thank you so much for being here with us. ❤️
Nice song,sad song
Madonna is named after her mother (Madonna) who died when she was 5. It was the most traumstic event in her life. She visits her mother's grave site in the documentary Truth or Dare where you see the inscription "Madonna Ciccone" on the gravestone - which would eventually go on to be the most famous name in the world. Her father was a strict Italian Catholic man from a different generation who shut down emotionalally after his wife's death, and he remarried the housekeeper. That, along with the strict regime from her Catholic School Nuns gave Madonna the perseverance and discipline to forge her monumental career. No artist has been able to take their life and incorporate it so brilliantly into her art and music. So many people think Madonna is her stage name; couldn't be further from the truth. Madonna Louise Veronnica Ciccone is the woman behind tbe Pop phenomenon "Madonna" - the greatest pop artist ever.
Thank you so much for sharing this. :)
Love this reaction. Subscribed immediately. More Madonna, please! Bedtime Story is a really interesting video, also not the most popular Madonna song but definitely worth analyzing, and my personal favorite Ghosttown (more recent and very beautiful) - something to sink your teeth into.
Thank you so much for your support! :) We really appreciate the recommendations and can't wait to do a deeper dive into Madonna's work. So much to explore!
madonna is soooooo HUGE . SHE IS AN ICON
Check out “Bad Girl”. Her deceased husband; now guardian angel is desperately trying to protect her from being the next victim of a serial killer because she’s sleeping around to fill the void of his passing.
This video is Art.
One of my all time favourites from Madonna… 💚
Thank you for watching this video, Madonna never had the courage to show this video to her father. In the video, he also refers to his troubled relationship with Sean Peen.
Thank you so much for recommending it! :)
Please do “Promise to Try”. A little known song about her Mom passing.
She’s describing her relationship w her father, who wasn’t necessarily abusive, but wasn’t emotionally available or talked ab her mother’s death and how he went autopilot and married the housekeeper to keep some kind of nuclear family. I think the scene where she’s in bed and the guy wakes up and slaps her represents her and Sean Penn in a symbolic way. She’s talked ab how she thought getting married would complete her, but when she and Sean didn’t work out it was a shocking/blow to her. Tabloids said Sean hit her, but I think if that was actually true she’d straight up be talking ab it now bc of where she is in her career. The way she sings “I never felt so good about myself,” I die.
Please do bad girl - another fincher masterpiece with Madonna ❤and imo her all time best music video
We'll definitely do Bad Girl when we get to that album - Can't wait to see it! :)
Madonna's mother died when she was very very young.
Bello video y bella canción! ❤❤❤❤❤
This song is not completely autobiographical. Madonna did lost her mother when she was 5 years old but she wasn't abused like situation she portrayed in this video. After her mother died, her dad married again and had two more children. Before her mother passed away they were 6 brothers and sisters including Madonna. So, because her dad remarried, she felt betrayed, but she stayed focused on finish her high school and move on and persuit a dancing career, but everything ended in a successful as a singer. In real life Madonna always been her dad favorite's child. In this video she also, portrayed a abusive husband (Sean Penn), and that really happened in real life.
Thank you for the background info - It always helps to have more context for a song/video. :)
Please watch the Blonde Ambition live tour concert
Amazing and deep song. You should watch Janie’s got a Gun by Aerosmith.
undertakers usually stitch the mouths shut of those that died screaming
Please react to Madonna - Sooner or Later live at the 1991 Oscars
Thank you for the recommendation!
Her mom died young, Madonna was 5
Amazing reaction. Madonna Drowned World(Substitute For Love) official music video reaction. Her personal take on fame. Verry deep like this one. Thanks for listening.
Thank you so much! :) Can't wait to hear Drowned World (Substitute for Love) when we get to that album - sounds like it will be beautiful.
Lovely reaction - wishing you much success with your channel. Another great Madonna ballad and video is Power Of Goodbye. Would love to see your reaction to that. :)
Thank you so much for the sweet comment! :) And thank you for the recommendation as well!
Madonna is the dominant "post modern" performer, and she uses concepts and ideas from the entire history of entertainment and art to highlight something she wants to address. The brilliant Bad Girl music video is one of the most interesting examples. Whereas in videos like Oh Father, she draws from classic films like Citizen Kane to enhance the imagery ad set a tone, in Bad Girl, she uses the ideas presented in the film Looking for Mr. Goodbar, (1977) which revolved around the negative side of sexual exploration and the dangers of casual sex, and adds an additional layer of a lost lover and the meaningless of a life lived with sex instead of love. Very unusual for an artist such as Madonna who is often seen by her harshest critics, as a sexual-only entertainer. In her best videos, she's is always pointing out hypocrisy and sometimes even her own. She is outstanding. Keep 'em coming.
Really appreciate the insights into her songs and videos - Thank you so much! :)
@@OurAnxiousReactions A true pleasure to relive my youth with you both lol
silvo wasnt abusive to his children just strict she took some artistic liberties. the video is about the cycle of abuse
This is not autobiographical as far as the imagery goes. Madonna's Mother died when she was 5 yrs old. And she has spoken very openly about how it has affected her life in so many ways. In fact she is such an amazing Mother other 6 children. She's very much into the arts. The 4 children she adopted from Malawi would never see 1/1000th of what she brought to her life. Her Father was not abusive at all. He's in his 90's and she's talked about the hard times growing up and what he meant to her because he ended remarrying. So I think a lot of her life experience molded her into what she became. She works her ass off. She's also a perfectionist, which people can't deal with, so she gets the raw end of the stick from her 2 brothers and the media. But there would be no Lady Gaga, Britney without the lead roll she took in showing woman can do anything. ❤
Madonna has definitely been a trailblazer! Thank you for sharing that info. :)
Madonna's father was a ver strict man, and he was very religious and forced his children to be religious. He was so religious that he was called "the preacher" in the neighborhood. Her mother died when Madonna was 5 and after that her relationship with her father was not the best. They would fight a lot. Madonna had a very sad childhood and she grew up blaming herself for her mother's death, she thought she died because she was an evil little girl. As she grew up Madonna became more and more rebellious against his father's religious values and against the church. In this song she takes her father and the Church and blends them into a male authority figure, the "father" or "Father". And she also mixes there a bit of her ex husband who became violent to her. So yes, the relationship with her father, with the church and with her husband are all connected as a pattern. It would be interesting that you react to her song "Papa Don't Preach" which also deals with the male authority figures in her life, her father and the church represented by the Pope, in this Pope/Papa/Father figure.
Thank you for providing that additional information and context! :) We actually reacted to Papa Don't Preach on our other channel (before starting this reaction channel). You can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/Up7NvEO9fYo/v-deo.html
@@OurAnxiousReactions thank you! I'll check it out
Good reaction and decent interpretation of the song. The cycle of abuse is real.
I don’t believe her father physically abused her but abuse takes many forms and her mothers death has affected her immensely in her life
It’s veryyy autobiographical
They sew or use wires to keep mouths of corpses shut at funerals.
Her mom died when she was 7 years think
Sia 😊
Sia :)
sewing the mouth shut is a thing or at least used to be.
Madonna would have had 18 consecutive billboard top 10 hits at this point( less than 5 yrs.) beating both Elvis & the Beatles.Unfortunately this single broke the streak...a shame!
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Please react to Rain from Erotica. Anothe great ballad and a vdo.
Thank you for the suggestion - We'll put it on our reaction list! :)
Too much focus on the lyrics, not enough attention to the music, singing, and the beautiful VISUALS...this is not a good reaction.
On a lighter note. Sis’s cover is truly terrible. She slurs through it and it is truly bizarre and painful 👎
first time watching this channel. Um, who cares who covered the song. Doesn't relate to your reaction.
I really can’t stand pausing when playing… ESPECIALLY when it just starts… very annoying to watch… not a genuine reaction if you keep pausing
We're sorry you didn't enjoy it.
@@OurAnxiousReactions cant please everyone!