Discord: discord.gg/gUFaJxzrEp I recommend checking this video on Dudley: ua-cam.com/video/ZGlzEdFZrDw/v-deo.htmlsi=grYeuQPCp-5GIv0c (List of adaptations to watch of Dudley the Vagrant Engine) Carson’s Workshop; ua-cam.com/video/MxM09rGh9R8/v-deo.htmlsi=VAnWWjnwB_PIA6Es ua-cam.com/video/J1FgQLYcAp4/v-deo.htmlsi=nIMiF8gJk4oU5zh5 ua-cam.com/video/bqNygpu5p8Y/v-deo.htmlsi=5BLlWyR54_Q0Vami ua-cam.com/video/Klj2fkLJa7g/v-deo.htmlsi=TfEyns75N-6lOUiE NWR duck; ua-cam.com/video/CYtuihxc_JI/v-deo.htmlsi=-zqiq3RhEuD8S-C_ MasterOfTrainz; ua-cam.com/video/oEeasZtSWj8/v-deo.htmlsi=qyFHmg2yPYKq_z2I
Hit the nail on the head there. If I ever did anything with Dudley outside of his stories, I'd respect what he was designed to be and keep him an irredeemable monster.
Dudley's just unredeemable. In my RWS AU which I've brought up once with Alfred, Dudley has always been horrid and even his only surviving sibling No. 63952 "Capulet" (Yes, there is an O2 preserved in this AU, but he lives on a heritage line in Cheshire) never saw him a kind and responsible member of the class. While I gave Alfred his redemption because his actions as "98462" was by manipulation, Dudley was just a rotten egg from day one.
I remember not even wanting to watch the "Alternate ending" simply because the idea of Dudley is that you're not meant to like him after the story, you're supposed to know the type of character Dudley is, especially since BuriedTrick has said it's someone based of an abusive friend "There are people who do wrong and will never atone for it - that is Dudley."; This is something that I'm doing with a character in my own form of train-with-face series, as I knew someone who was a bad person (narcissistic, manipulative, verbally abusive towards his own friends), but I digress. Making Dudley likeable to the audience is not something that can easily be done because of the type of character Dudley is, through and through, and I feel like Buried Truck could easily give the audience more examples through more stories, having it follow Dudley rather than a character affected by Dudley, show Dudley lying, manipulating, abusing, doing whatever he can for his own survival.
It's just as the original story said. Dudley could have improved his behavior and become part of the NWR. But he chose his path, and sealed his own fate.
The funny part about all of this, is that the same person who made the video about Dudley, also made an idea for Dudley to be in Stories Of Sodor. And that idea was marginally FAR WORSE than what the American 8F did.
I’m planning on making an allegory with Dudley in the future so I can see how he doesn’t deserve any redemption arc. Thank you for clearing it up and have a nice day 👍
2:28 look Gary there I am look! In all seriousness though I do understand what the creator of the alternate ending was going for but it just doesn't work. Maybe in an alternate universe but in this universe Dudley was made out to be a despicable foul creature of sorts, and a force to be reckoned with so to speak. Even though it is sad when bad guys don't change their ways there are generally those people who will never change. And especially with all the context out there it's pretty clear what he was made out to be. I've been wanting to talk about Dudley for a while now in this video explaining what he's supposed to be is pretty good for those who don't really understand him. Keep up the good work man.
In my canon: after Dudley was sent away, he went rouge and became a diesel serial killer of sorts, and would occasionally go to sodor, until ‘arry and bert found and killed him
That's true. Not mention with the entire journey of Dudley's story...giving him a "redemption" at the end wouldn't make sense with all the shit he had done and the lack of remorse he had shown, that would be well...forced. Yeah, you can understand his reasons but that doesn't justify his actions and you're supposed to hate him for all the horrid things he did. He'll never let go of his toxic diesel prejudice, even towards good diesels like Bear, and reminder that Dudley in "Sparks Fly For Bear" intentionally pretended to be sorry to Bear just so he take advantage of his kindness and have him take over his goods train and deliberately lied to him about the faulty tanker and LIED AGAIN to the fat controller just to save his own skin (or metal plating...whatever) and get Bear in trouble. Not to mention... Buried Truck confirmed in a Twitter post that Dudley isn't meant to be an engine you shouldn't feel sorry for as his character was also inspired by real life abusive and manipulative person from his past. So not giving him a redemption...would also be respectful to the creator of the source material that is the RWS fan story that is "Dudley the Vagrant Engine". Also, I said this before and I'll say it again... Dudley IMO feels like the most twisted of all the Gresley designed characters in the Thomas franchise, fan-content included (obviously), and he's far more arrogant than the likes of Gordon and Spencer would ever be and he's far more selfish than Henry (in terms of his actual character, I mean) was.
As someone who has written narcissistic characters in my own sentient talking vehicle series. I completely understand where the Buried Truck was coming from with this argument. I've been around narcissistic people, including family, and I can 100% see why Dudley was designed the way he was. A narcissistic prick of a locomotive that doesn't ever deserve redemption. In my own experience in writing stories about sentient talking vehicles, I for one find characters like Dudley to be A LOT OF FUN TO WRITE in their original irredeemable form. Especially when you get to write moments where the protagonists with main-character syndrome attempt to make the antagonist see sense then BOOM antagonist goes 10 times more villain-like than before, and in the end gets their comeuppance. Being forced to redeem such characters, or seeing someone who probably doesn't see the full picture write a redemption story for them takes that fun away somewhat, and kind of feels a little bit cliche in the case of TTTE. I get where the American 8F was coming from - to an extent with the concept of "What if Dudley could be redeemed?" However, I for one wouldn't chop a story in half and insert my ending in there. Now to be fair, the writing wasn't too bad, and the transition, filming and overall quality of the video are good. But and this is a huge BUT using the last story for a redemption arc wasn't the right choice. What I would've done, if I absolutely had to, is leave the original arc alone and write a separate story in which Dudley returns and actively tries to redeem himself if say, a character such as Bear rescued Dudley from scrap. But even that is a stretch, and something significant would have to happen in order for a character like Dudley to change his ways. Something I wish a lot more people would understand, from a writing perspective is that if a writer of a story like BuriedTruck wanted fans to go and write a redemption arc for a character cast as a villain, they'd make sure to put a small but significant detail in the story to "Leave the door open" for future possibilities. In this case, I think it's safe to assume if BuriedTruck intended fans to bring Dudley back, he intended him to return not as a redeemable character but as a Villain. This is the same as what Wilbert Awdry intended with Diesel, to send him away un-redeemed never to be seen again.
Dudley reminds me of a casino player, in the sense that first mistake was to play the game, and once he bids every thing he, has nothing, by playing dirty and trying to cheat the system he got in a worser position than before....after all who wouldn't be manipulative and unforgivable at a casino..?
dudley reminds me of diesel. think about both are irredeemable engines who lied manipulated and caused harm to others and they hate the opposite engine type to the point of wanting them gone.
Yeah, the only difference is the Diesel come back in the TV series, where he does learned from some of his mistakes over the years, he was more a mid bully in the TV series while RWS series he was only appear once when Sir Topham Hatts learns about Diesel mischievous ways, I guess everyone likes Diesel in the TV series so he come back to be more mischief Diesel than devilish Diesel, if you think about it.
Dudley not getting a redemption is part of why the original version works so well and I do prefer it that way. However, we can't overlook the reality about what he and countless other engines had to deal with on the mainland. It's well-established by this point that more and more steam engines on the mainland were being scrapped as they were no longer needed (reflecting what was happening on British Railways in real life at the time) and the general attitude of diesels on the mainland towards steam engines has been well-established too. We know what engines such as Oliver had to endure to reach Sodor to survive, and all of that gets you thinking, surely Dudley can't be the only steam engine who thinks and acts this way? Who's to say that there weren't other engines who were just as desperate to survive by any means necessary?
4:29 yeah this is what made me realize Dudley is kinda similar to a friend I had for 3 years since 2021. When you said that Dudley was based on a manipulative and toxic person the buried truck had to deal with in his own life, I began thinking Dudley was like my own online friend. But I thought it was too harsh or something. But this tweet/line? It felt kinda personal to me. My friend always would act mean or rude to stuff he didn't like, and when we got into fights he would say hurtful things to me. And yet, he never really changed. Everytime we would fight or fallout, he apologies for what he said to me, but then the next time it happens he does the same thing again. I really do hope he can change his ways one day. But honestly now that I'm thinking about it and looking back on those experiences, as well as reading Dudley's stories and basis for his character, I don't think he'll really change his ways. It's kinda sad, but the buried truck is right. Not everyone changes for the better. Some people are just like that, and we can't exactly change them so easily Sorry for rambling, I just kinda felt personal when finding out more about Dudley, you know? Great video, and sorry for rambling for so long
Yah all I can say is that he and Alfred would get along perfectly, one is a manipulative, narcissistic person who hates diesels (•coughs• racist) while another just wants to see the world burn. ----- That aside, Dudley is the example of someone who’s pretends to be a good person but the moment they’re alone with someone they hate the mask comes off and their true colors show.
@@ScorchZaneTrains If I was there as an employee when Dudley got caught I would’ve yelled out as he was leaving “have fun with Alfred in hell you manipulative, narcissistic, RACIST ASSHOLE!!” 😎😎😈😈 (yah I can be mean)
My main take on this is if you're going to let your characters be free to adoption by others be prepared for some changes and if I'm being honest if you're going to base a character off of someone personally in your life you probably shouldn't let them be free to adapt especially when it seems like that character situation is different from the person in your life situation
Dudley wasn't just designed to be irredeemable, he was designed to die. Because out of every large tender engine, why else would Buried have chosen the LNER O2? Of which none were preserved?
@@sdmedia1323 damn two birds one stone. But I don’t think the basis is really a big concern, given how a lot engine classes went extinct between the 50s and 60s, but I see what you mean.
I haven’t watched the video fully, but I do understand what you are saying here. You are right. Some people (or engines) are irredeemable, and Dudley is one of them. He outright damaged Henry just so he could stay on Sodor longer and told lies about Bear to make everyone turn on him! Not to mention, his tirade in the climax of Lifting The Curtain just shows he’s gone mad. When people have gone mad, they are beyond saving. Dudley shows zero remorse for his actions and thought survival was a good justification for them, which it’s not! I mean, what justifies damaging property and telling lies about someone?! Nothing! If someone wants him to be redeemable, he/she is gonna have to change his character up enough for it to be earned, which is disrespectful to The Buried Truck as he’s stated in those Twitter posts you showed!
I think it's rather fitting that he doesn't reform because to quote Henry from NWR Origins "While the majority of engines hopefully do change, there are some that just don't." And the fact that he doesn't redeem himself makes this feel more adult. If he did redeem himself, then it would feel like something for little kids.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 He could have just done what Oliver did: escape to Sodor and ask The Fat Controller to purchase him. The Fat Controller would have purchased him since he’s well aware of modernization at this point. Also, Dudley could have learnt to see not all diesels are bad and actually give diesels like Bear a fair chance to prove themselves good sorts
Dudley went his own way…It goes to show how low people will go to get what they want…Sometimes it’s too late and impossible to forgive them… Like Dudley purposefully caused crashes on the railway! All the engines just have crashes by accident…But Dudley damaged railway property and endangered people with his recklessness…We’re talking about a railway…It’s not a playground…It’s one thing if these were accidents…BUT these events were specifically planned (except the cannonball one..I think it’s called that?…But still Dudley was being an idiot)
I mean, TBT DID ALSO say that we’re allowed to use Dudley for our own projects. (As long as we give credit, but that part is self explanatory at this point.) I don’t see it as character assassination, but more so a “What if” concept.
In my TTTE Universe, after Dudley left Sodor in Lifting The Curtain, he broke down at Barrow-In-Furness. Arry and Bert (Who Work At The Barrow Scrapyard In My Universe), then took him to the scrapyard where he met his demise at the hands of the cutter’s torch. He now haunts the mainland as a ghost, looking for unsuspecting diesels to take to the afterlife.
To me there is no redemption for Dudley (no matter what Thomas headcannon it is), he’s a sad reminder that (like I said in a community tab) there are terrible people out there far beyond the point of redemption, and if you try, it’s almost next to impossible. Even in a world of talking trains and other machines, this is a something that could’ve happened in the railway series. There I am Gary, there I am 7:10
The situation here with Dudley is similar to one I’ve had where during Middle and High School there was this kid I was hanging out with who acted like he was supposedly my friend and we’d talk a bit but later he started outwardly acting like a jerk where he wanted to use me for stuff like money (would get mad if it was unavailable) and doing his homework while outright insulting me. To me it seemed like I was an idiot he could easily screw with (I have autism so it was hard to tell if he was up to no good), even trying to make me agree with the things he liked or wanted to do and also giving attitude if I didn’t comply. He clearly was a bad “friend” who after a while just mostly wanted to use me only and have everything just about him which got worse during high school where I was then actively trying to avoid him after a while. Thankfully the pandemic had me away from him and we haven’t really dealt with each other much since but he’s still been trying to message me acting “pleasant” and not acknowledging he was a bad “friend”; I don’t think he gets the message that him being a user will eventually make someone want to drive away from him. I’ve been out of high school since 2022 and I do plan on officially ditching him as soon as possible via messaging him and even blocking him afterwards where I never want any contact with him again.
I think of the story where the bad engines go. I think of that story when you see people's character. Some people are just awful, and they succeed in life. Even though they are toxic people to be around, they succeed and never change cause they don't want or need to. The alternate ending is just dudly winning, which happens in real life, but do you really wanna do that and have it be a happy ending? I don't see it as a happy ending. I guess I am just a stickler for people getting their comeuppance in the end.
I mean no disrespect to The Buried Truck, but people wanting or trying to redeem Dudley was really inevitable for several reasons. First, there's a BIG difference between Dudley and a diesel like Diesel or Diesel 10. Dudley doesn't hate the other type of engine purely out of spite. He hates them because they actually wronged him by threatening his life. It's a lot more difficult to overcome a prejudice if it's the result of something traumatic or a wrongdoing, because you seemingly have "proof" that your belief is true. Next, those that are pro redemption know this doesn't justify his actions, but Dudley wasn't lying about it being survival. From his perspective, he was doing what he had to do to survive, like Douglas when he stowed away with Donald, or Oliver when he ran away to Sodor. As selfish as he was, it's really hard not to be selfish when you're fleeing from a place that's either a hellhole or treats you like dirt. Finally, diesels like Diesel, Bowler, and Spamcan, have been given redemption stories and arcs, even though they weren't meant to return and redeem either. So if they're "allowed to", why can't Dudley get one? Is he really any worse? Especially since they didn't have scrap looming over them when they came. So while I get the point about redemption not being for everyone, with these points, fans wanting to redeem Dudley should NOT be a surprise. Even Bear had sympathy for Dudley. I'm sorry, but with Dudley's motivation being to be preserved, and the threat of scrap, Dudley was doomed to be unintentionally sympathetic. We already have irredeemable steam engines in the form of Alfred and Crovan in "The Three Railway Engines". Also, Dudley becoming a "good guy", doesn't mean he becomes 100% good. He can still be gruff and standoffish, especially to diesels, but puts up with them because he knows where he'd be without the NWR.
Look Gary there I am. Wow, this video is great and very well-done. You did an excelent job explaining how the story works and why Dudley's villian arc does good without a redemption. ... And something I prolly shoulda went more in-depth about in my video, ahahah.
I kinda prefer the other ending where Dudley can be redeemed and it has a potential of more stories about him. See Dudley is a gresley O2 so here is my idea and that is his relationship with his cousins : Ryan (I want to keep Ryan in my headcanon), Gordon and Spencer.
Well, this certainly has made me think. And while I do respect theburiedtruck, and what Dudley's character represents, me and a friend of mine have already had him redeemed. Although it's a bit different from how the American 8f did it. And while I like the idea of him redeeming himself, I do know that life doesn't always work like a cliche Disney film and there are bad people in this world who do bad things and have no regrets. So yeah. That's what I have to say here. I am gonna have Dudley redeemed, but not completely. After all, gotta respect the source material.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761Well, I can't really go into too much detail in of people plagiarizing the idea, but I will tell you this. Lifting the Curtain, doesn't happen. And Dudley saves the passengers AND Bear in Cannonball.
I watched the "Dudley the Vagrant Engine" saga a little while ago, and it's currently one of the best adaptations in TTTE I've ever seen. What was shocking about it was just how realistic Dudley's character is. There are people who are incapable of feeling remorse for their actions, and knowing what such people can do is frightening. For me personally, the point when Dudley became beyond redeemable was the incident with the landslide. The fact he was willing to endanger the lives of his passengers just to spite Bear and boost his own ego and then lie about it shows that he really is a monster.
We see Dudley’s fate in that one spooky fan episode…also I like the original arc and had no idea Dudley was based on a real person…I simply thought the alternate ending was a creative twist but the original ending flows a lot better and is true to life…something HIT and Mateo royally screwed up
I do understand what Dudley is supposed to be, and I've watched the adaptations of his story, including the one made by The American 8F. But even with this, I still think that The American 8F gave Dudley a realistic scenario where he could get redeemed. In my eyes, when analyzing a villain, I go by the phrase, "Nobody is born evil, they're either raised evil or made evil by circumstance". Dudley to me, fits a sort of villain that was made to be irredeemable, but given a bit of thought about what he's doing and for what reason, it discredits the idea that was meant for him. In reality, when survival is all that matters to you, it's hard to feel remorse for your actions, and sometimes it's downright impossible. It can lead you to do things irrational to your narrative, like Dudley damaging Henry to stay longer on the Island. It's hinted that he did this to also prove himself to Sir Topham hat so that he couldn't get sent away. Even if these were selfish reasons for doing what he did, he still had reasons, and that tells me that, if he was given the proper chance and guidance, he could be redeemed. To me the only way to tell if someone is truly evil, is if he commits heinous acts with no reason at all. If you think about it for a moment, the reason Dudley did all that he did was because of "Survival in an age of scrap", kind of gives a small sense of sympathy for him (though it is miniscule). In the time and place the story is written in, it's safe to infer that almost all steam locomotives have been scrapped on the mainland, heck, even in the first part of the story, Dudley states, "My days are numbered on the other railway", this can give us the idea that diesels have pretty much dominated British rails, and Dudley would do whatever it takes to survive, and it would make sense why Dudley hates diesels as they were the ones who replaced his family and friends. It's kind of hard to move past prejudice against others when said others are the cause of many of the deaths of loved ones, or others that one cares about. I think that The American 8F thought about this, and decided to make an alternate reality, showcasing what could've happened in a scenario like the one Dudley was put in. It gives more depth to his character and gives him as sense of an actual character, rather than just a cardboard cutout. When it is explained by The Buried Truck that Dudley was inspired by a narcissistic and manipulative person in his life, basically gave me the impression that he was supposed to be nothing more than a cardboard cutout copy of that person, just as an engine. When it is said that his reason was for survival, it discredits that cardboard cutout copy he's is supposed to be, because as I said before, people will do anything when their narrative and reason is simply to survive, even if it is morally wrong. In conclusion, I think that Dudley's character, while intentionally was supposed to be irredeemable, is somewhat the opposite. When someone is given a reason or motive to their actions, it shows that they were influenced by a certain circumstance they lived with for a long time, and conversely when they are given zero reason or motive to their actions, it shows they are far past saving, and deserve any punishment they receive. Dudley while supposed to be written to be too far past saving, was written in a way that showed he could change with time, patience, and a new perspective.
I couldn't agree more. That's why I'm personally not a fan of Dudley. As Hector the Horrid showed, people have reasons behind their behavior, even if it doesn't justify it, and Dudley is no exception.
I hope you never know what its like to live in an abusive relationship, because that's basically what Dudley was meant to convey. There is real trauma as a direct result from whom Dudley is based on, and his pattern of behaviour is so transparently abusive it amazes me you think he would take back anything he has done up to this point. Tons of people have justified horrid atrocities under the guise of survival. People like Dudley thrive on controlling the narrative and playing the victim. You think he wouldn't sooner try to get Gordon out of the picture should he have stuck around? Anything short of sending him away would have been seen as a tacit approval of his actions. It is important to understand where people are coming from yes, but its also important to set a precedent that abuse cannot be tolerated. Diesel was supposed to be that kind of character in the original RWS books but as the show runners kept bringing him back, his story lost all the impact it once had and he's now just seen as that rascal who keeps causing trouble but always comes back regardless. Add in Dudley onto that redemption pile and his story becomes doubly meaningless because he's 10 times the threat that diesel was. A cancer to the very spirit of honesty and kindness that Sodor was meant to embody. Dudley cannot be redeemed just the same as we cannot redeem those depicable people who inspire characters like him. That's because they will never accept responsibility for their actions, and giving them a pass when they've demonstrated they're still fully willing to do the same things that hurt others in the first place is both irresponsible and horrifyingly insensitive to those they've hurt.
@samoli11 I don't think Diesel was intended to be an abuser. He never mentally abused Duck, and his turning the engines against him, while not justified, were payback for a perceived wrongdoing. Had Duck stepped in when Diesel tried to move the trucks, he may have still been mad, but not driven to the point of revenge. Also, Duck wasn't much better, being bigheaded from City of Truro visiting, and deliberately not telling Diesel which trucks to take.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 yeah because all diesel did was spread lies, not to mention duck wasn't fully incident when he was in the yard with him. Plus I don't Awdry was meant to go that deep, given he didn't have a lot when he started writing and even was making the books.
I think Dudley could have a redemption arc but faking the whole thing and have bear, mavis ,and boco all in diss repear by faking illness but once all are in the works his boiler bursted and tried working through but slowly fell apart.
I still want to know how Dudley would play a role if he arrived in early years of the NWR me and my Dudley fanboy friend I've been thinking about this too
If I did a alternate ending for Dudley, here’s what I would do: Dudley did get preserved but he ended up being an attraction at a theme park similar to the Disneyland Railroad. All he can do is watch the trains pass by as he give crowds rides around the park and tries his hardest not to lose his sanity. But I think Dudley deserved his punishment, don’t you?
Dudley does not need to be redeemed, and He should not BE Redeemed. It completely undermines what he did and honestly shows that some people just don't understand Dudley's character. I mean no disrespect to TheAmerican8F. I think the way he wrote it was pretty good. But Dudley is NOT a good person, he manipulated the other engines, lied multiple times, and treated Bear like crap. Just to "earn" his place in the NWR. And when he gets caught, he does not admit what he did was wrong and tried to manipulated STH into keeping him on. Dudley is not only the main character in his stories, he's the villan too, and we don't need another redemption arc after so many "bad" characters have already turned "good".
He was later sentenced to death for 60 counts of engine murders, 29 counts of arson, 43 counts of human murder, and 23 counts of hate crimes against steam engines.
As a person who is frequently belittled in school I think it’s a very valuable lesson that not everyone has regrets about bad descions and it’s important to realize that
i admit i didn't understand what Dudley is all about, until i saw this and now i understand he's narcissistic manipulative and despises diesels and sabotage and turns everyone against Bear just so he can survive and find a home, but he dug his own grave.
I think the whole sob story Dudley makes in that alternate ending can still work if it's made obvious that Dudley doesn't regret any of the things he's done. He try's to act like he never meant to make the other's turn on Bear, but once he realizes no one is falling for it, he shows his true colors.
what do you think of my head-canon for Dudley Basis: He remains a GNR O2 Build Date: 1932 Personality: Still a Deceptive and Manipulative Saboteur Livery: LNER Black (1932-1948), BR Black (1948-1968) Number: LNER 3481 (1932-1946), LNER 3971 (1946-1948), BR 63971 (1948-1968) Scrapped: 1968 He now roams the rails on his way to The Fat Controller's Railway as a Ghost
Dudley isn't a sympathetic character at all. He has no remorse and no hesitation. He's one of those characters who's hearts got hardened by past traumas. And that's the genius of his character.
Personally, I do think Dudley can be redeemed (i'm not on Twitter, Facebook etc so I have no idea about the personal issues around him). My Headcanon for him is he would be found years later on "scraps door" on a siding hidden behind trucks on BR at a station and yard brought by the next Topham Hatt or after who has no idea who Dudley is, Dudley is still repairable and is given a second chance and new lease on life and chooses to use it to redeem himself (having realized all his lying, cheating and manipulations got him nowhere) but the Engines of Sodor find this extremely hard but they eventually do forgive him.
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@ScorchZane No I was just kidding 😂But I do think that even if the American 8f doesn't get the character that TheBuriedTruck wanted for Dudley, he definitely should be allowed to give his own take on Dudley.
I know how to have him redeemed To just not have him as a saboteur Like mine “lieutenant Dudley Adams” named after a dauntless pilot is preserved at the vicarstown rail museum and he was simply just a normal O2 built, ran, withdrawn then preserved
I mean yeah whether he lived or didn’t is up to out imaginations since Buried never implied Dudley’s fate (well some say he may be that ghost Diesel encounters).
I view it as a “What if?”, I don’t believe that The American 8F was saying “Hey, this scumbag who hurt you in real life deserves a second chance.”, I believe it’s saying “Hey, what if this fictional character wasn’t completely evil and could be redeemed?”.
I didn't know Dudley was inspired by a irl person TheBuriedTruck knew (did he ever mention If Dudley is the person's real name?) I get what TheBuriedTruck is saying, but if I were him, I'd just try not to pay it too much attention.
I had a thought! What if there was an alternate ending to 8f's alternate ending? Basically, he apologizes, but doesn't mean it? He uses his situation (and maybe twists it or lies a bit about it) in order to garner sympathy just so he can stay longer and find even more devious ways to cause more problems?
dudley the vagrant engine Well, you know what happened to him? Well purpose he was sent to scrap yard. It was too late for him, Donald said What happened easy? He was taking to the smoking shot door shot and there was a clunk and a clench. The grab a grabbed the dudley the vagrant engine And there was a and when the door phone opened , he was scrappedAnd there was a and when the door The door is Slowly opened and he was scrap And you saw the whole thing Henry and Gordon and James
She's a villain character introduced late into the series she's in. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. She tries to make others believe that she's innocent. But making others felt bad while getting away scot-free. She tries to gain power by turning everyone against the new students, but that fails and she's imprisoned in Tartarus. (One of the show's locations) Then later, tries to gain power (litteraly) and praticipated in an all-out attack against the main characters, but fails again 'cause the aforementioned students convinced everyone of each of their kind to work together and friendship. Thus causing the main characters to survive and make Cozy and the two other villains she helped, 'taste the rainbow'. The three villains were then imprisoned in stone. Yay!
Oh I see, well it depends on how a character was made, since Dudley made from a personal vendetta Buried went through, he expressed his thoughts when Dudley was sent away with no redemption. So really that depends, it’s just some characters just don’t have remorse or redemption and that’s fine for Dudley, since it would not work out well if he did get redemption (otherwise you might as well talk this with Buried).
Fellow MLP fan right here: Honestly, I really wish Cozy Glow could be reformed and not be treated the way Hasbro treated her in the final two seasons of FIM. :/
Well Like The Burid Truck Said Dudley Is Like A Person In Real Life Who Did All The Things That Dudley Did On Sodor Well He's Not The Only One I Also Have That Kind Of Person Too But I Don't Have To Say Anymore I Don't Want To Remember It Again
Anyone waiting for Halloween? 🎃👻 ☠️ This Halloween could be a major ark or breakthrough of Dudley’s story. What would Dudley as he’s a haunted demonic scrap engine? He could be more evil, bloody, and more murderous than Timothy?
@@ScorchZaneTrains Do you think that Dudley wants to get revenge on Donald, Bear, and the Fat Controller after they had done to him since lifting the curtain?
@@ScorchZaneTrains Well, in Carson Video Workshop’s video “Demons”. Diesel encounters a huge scrap tender engine that he tries to scare Ary and Bert. But when his backfired, he was forced to put the scrap engine back where he found it. When he got to the scrap engine to tow back, he heard some illusional voice that said “Sleep, You Disturbed, My Sleep”. He thought Ary and Bert are playing a trick on him. But they weren’t there. He was all alone with the scrap engine. So Diesel towed the Scrap Engine back out of the scrap shed. As he did that, he heard the same Illusional voice again that said “Sleep….”. Then he saw some fireflies on the scrap engine that illuminated the scrap engines. Diesel gazed at them and realized they’re not fireflies. They are eyes gazing out of the engines past. All of the sudden, all hell broke loose as a face appeared on the scrap engine as they’re never been on before. This scares Diesel so badly as race back as fast as he could as he and the other scrap engines disappeared. At the end, he thought everything just happen was an illusion. Or was it….
@@ScorchZaneTrains The appearance of this scrap engine’s face and shape in the “Demons” episode is similar to Dudley that fans thought he’s the scrap engine that scared diesel. Even the buried truck kinda confirm it too. This engine appeared in Carson Video Workshop videos “Demons” and at the end story of “Lifting the Certain” . I thought that the story of Dudley the Vagrant Engine hasn’t ended yet as we don’t know what happened to him. But after watching these two videos by Carson’s Video Workshop, I think this Halloween will have a great horror story and will have the final conclusion on what happens next to Dudley and what’s going to do.
Yeah tho that’s BTWF’s interpretation though since both would’ve been in the game if it wasn’t cancelled, it would be interesting to see next to each other
@@ScorchZaneTrains not really , because from what I remember in the btwf leaks before the game got cancelled ,87546 had a completely different model ,it was based out of one from trainz ,I'm not sure what class it is ,but it never got added ,likely because it didn't get a script added However there is a btwf copy game that made the exact same 87546 model from the ground up ,the game is called "tracks to great destinations"
@@1fstudiosthesecond392 hmmm I don’t think that model was the one in great destinations since if I recall correctly 87546 in BTWF before it cancellation and reboot was meant to be a tank engine
@@ScorchZaneTrains ok, so here Is what my story Is about: -narrator introduces peel godred. -gordon arrives with the express, and he goes into his siding, he hits the buffers hard due to him being tired, and James teases him about It. -the next day Gordon gets tasked with pulling a train to peel godred in the Mountains, due to being to many tourist, but James teases gordon, telling him, it's because he can't concentrate. -gordon complains because the way to the Mountains Is a One way set of tracks -the driver tells him the reason why. Gordon slowly grows to like and finally enjoy his way up the Mountains. -meanwhile James gets too vain and cocky with the express and accidently gets sent into a siding Just as Gordon thunders by. -that night, Gordon teases James that he should pull the Mountain train because It helps with concentration. -the end (Main inspiration: that One clearwater BTS Imagine of Gordon) What do you think..?
@@ScorchZaneTrains yeah, i am still writing some bits in It, i'm thinking about adding some facial reactions such as the buffers bashing, Gordon puffing on the Mountain, and Gordon thundering by James, but i think i might add some more.
I understand that Dudley may have a few fans here and there. But I could not agree more: Dudley is definitely irredeemable; the term malignant narcissist describes him perfectly. The way he divided Bear against the other engines is beyond forgivable. And if The Buried Truck did indeed base Dudley on a friend who was just like Dudley, I feel badly for him. There are snakes that lurk in the grass waiting to prey on good souls like Bear. And if The Buried Truck ever decided to bring Dudley back for another story, I wouldn't want to see it based on his redemption, but rather on his defeat.
I love redemption arcs (dimitri and sasha, my beloved) but dudley shouldn't have 1. He's a huge asshole, very narsacistic and didn't show any remorse, he's similar to william afton in that regard. At least diesel 10 is funny.
Why do people want to redeem Dudley so bad? If they want to do stuff with him, then write a story where Flying Scotsman calls him out for how he treated Bear, but Dudley still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions.
Because as awful as his actions were, he was right when he said it was survival. And Bear himself felt sympathy for Dudley. Personally, I think Dudley should've redeemed to make him different from Alfred, Crovan, and the first red engine.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 well the first engine we don't know if he or she was iredeemable or not, but we know 98462 and 87546 were rude as were likely as bad as each other.
I feel like everyone is overreacting at the alternate ending. So you are gonna try telling me. Everything is fine and dandy when diesel stayed yet when someone makes an alternate ending, WHICH IS NOT CANON MIND YOU. Everyone starts getting fussy. None can change my stance that when it comes to characters, this fandom kinda sucks
All though i personally do not hate the idea of Dudley being redeemed, i don't like it either. My reason is the life isn't a disney movie reason, and you'd have to tone down his actions in order to justify what he did, as Buried said, i like how 8F didn't just make him a good guy out of the blue, but you know, the harm was still done. Now that i know Dudley was based off of a real guy Buried knew, i honestly dislike the redemption idea even more, kinda feels disrespectful towards Buried, but if someone makes him a good guy, i honeslty don't care because there are much more important matters in life than talking choo choo trains.
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 how the hell are a bunch of talking trains gonna do with crossing over with say superheroes? Not to mention Thomas and the books he’s based off have a very different type of logic compared to any franchise who has intense action or weird circumstances
While i dont believe dudley does diserve to be redeemed, i dont hate the american 8f's alternate ending, i think of it as a what if concept, which is why i enjoy his content. I have to admit i have been friends with a person similar to dudley, he was mean, manipulative, deceptive and a huge bully to not just me, but most of the people that called him a friend, and when he said he would change, he would revert back to his old ways a while after (usually a month or a couple weeks later.) So i see where both TBT and the american 8F come from, and the perspective of dudley possibly being redeemed, but he wasnt because he chose to do those actions makes me think of that person, while yes, he could have changed, he never stuck to the new him. Not everything is sunshine and roses im aware, and i still hate him for being like that, but instead of wantint him dead, i just hope he realises his mistakes one day, and can never be happy because he remembered the legacy he left behind, as otherwise thinking he should be dead or being put through similar pain wouldnt make you any better than him, and you would just be just as cruel as they were to you, (also dont worry, hes gone from my life now. I havent seen him in over a month and i hope he never comes back.) In the end, i believe that while dudley should not have been redeemed, its ok to make what if scenarios to see what would have happened if he did, but it should be kept in mind that its not really what hes all about.
If you watched the whole video you’ll understand why Otherwise I guess I can tell, not everyone is meant to be redeemed, sure Thomas may be about friendship doesn’t mean it can’t deteriorate, sure it may be about talking trains doesn’t mean they can’t be scrapped, sure some engines can be redeemed but Dudley isn’t one of them. Keep in mind when Buried talked about Dudley it was like he was talking about that one friend Dudley was based was him.
Discord: discord.gg/gUFaJxzrEp
I recommend checking this video on Dudley: ua-cam.com/video/ZGlzEdFZrDw/v-deo.htmlsi=grYeuQPCp-5GIv0c
(List of adaptations to watch of Dudley the Vagrant Engine)
Carson’s Workshop;
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MasterOfTrainz;
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Hit the nail on the head there.
If I ever did anything with Dudley outside of his stories, I'd respect what he was designed to be and keep him an irredeemable monster.
Dudley's just unredeemable. In my RWS AU which I've brought up once with Alfred, Dudley has always been horrid and even his only surviving sibling No. 63952 "Capulet" (Yes, there is an O2 preserved in this AU, but he lives on a heritage line in Cheshire) never saw him a kind and responsible member of the class. While I gave Alfred his redemption because his actions as "98462" was by manipulation, Dudley was just a rotten egg from day one.
"rotten egg from day one"
So Dudley is stinky as heck
I remember not even wanting to watch the "Alternate ending" simply because the idea of Dudley is that you're not meant to like him after the story, you're supposed to know the type of character Dudley is, especially since BuriedTrick has said it's someone based of an abusive friend "There are people who do wrong and will never atone for it - that is Dudley."; This is something that I'm doing with a character in my own form of train-with-face series, as I knew someone who was a bad person (narcissistic, manipulative, verbally abusive towards his own friends), but I digress. Making Dudley likeable to the audience is not something that can easily be done because of the type of character Dudley is, through and through, and I feel like Buried Truck could easily give the audience more examples through more stories, having it follow Dudley rather than a character affected by Dudley, show Dudley lying, manipulating, abusing, doing whatever he can for his own survival.
It's just as the original story said. Dudley could have improved his behavior and become part of the NWR. But he chose his path, and sealed his own fate.
A sad yet very cold truth
Exactly!
very reminiscent of alfred from t1e2h3, and the words that henry told gordon when he suffered ptsd of alfred's death
The funny part about all of this, is that the same person who made the video about Dudley, also made an idea for Dudley to be in Stories Of Sodor.
And that idea was marginally FAR WORSE than what the American 8F did.
You need to remember this was before I made my review on Season 5; before I realized the flaws. I even said as much at the end of Part 2 of my review.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial
What was the idea? Or was it just the idea of him being in SOS?
I’m planning on making an allegory with Dudley in the future so I can see how he doesn’t deserve any redemption arc. Thank you for clearing it up and have a nice day 👍
I've always wondered if Dudley was always manipulative or did he just become that way when diesels came along.
Maybe the latter.
2:28 look Gary there I am look! In all seriousness though I do understand what the creator of the alternate ending was going for but it just doesn't work. Maybe in an alternate universe but in this universe Dudley was made out to be a despicable foul creature of sorts, and a force to be reckoned with so to speak. Even though it is sad when bad guys don't change their ways there are generally those people who will never change. And especially with all the context out there it's pretty clear what he was made out to be. I've been wanting to talk about Dudley for a while now in this video explaining what he's supposed to be is pretty good for those who don't really understand him. Keep up the good work man.
In my canon: after Dudley was sent away, he went rouge and became a diesel serial killer of sorts, and would occasionally go to sodor, until ‘arry and bert found and killed him
Considering Dudley was the scrapped engine from Demons, that sounds pretty logical to me
I belive he became a get away engine who helps thieves steal oil
Wait people thing Dudley can be redeemed?
Literally at the end of lifting the curitan donald says that its too late for him
Perhaps sometime after in a au after this he changed his ways
That's true. Not mention with the entire journey of Dudley's story...giving him a "redemption" at the end wouldn't make sense with all the shit he had done and the lack of remorse he had shown, that would be well...forced. Yeah, you can understand his reasons but that doesn't justify his actions and you're supposed to hate him for all the horrid things he did. He'll never let go of his toxic diesel prejudice, even towards good diesels like Bear, and reminder that Dudley in "Sparks Fly For Bear" intentionally pretended to be sorry to Bear just so he take advantage of his kindness and have him take over his goods train and deliberately lied to him about the faulty tanker and LIED AGAIN to the fat controller just to save his own skin (or metal plating...whatever) and get Bear in trouble.
Not to mention... Buried Truck confirmed in a Twitter post that Dudley isn't meant to be an engine you shouldn't feel sorry for as his character was also inspired by real life abusive and manipulative person from his past. So not giving him a redemption...would also be respectful to the creator of the source material that is the RWS fan story that is "Dudley the Vagrant Engine".
Also, I said this before and I'll say it again... Dudley IMO feels like the most twisted of all the Gresley designed characters in the Thomas franchise, fan-content included (obviously), and he's far more arrogant than the likes of Gordon and Spencer would ever be and he's far more selfish than Henry (in terms of his actual character, I mean) was.
@@megariderfire1994 Honestly i ever put in my universe a reference of the buriedtruck inccedent of the bully from his past
@@megariderfire1994
You can't give a motive like his and NOT expect someone to feel sympathy.
Some people just half to learn that not all stories can’t have all happy endings.
I didn't know Dudley was based on a person in buried trucks personal life. Dudley is definitely irredeemable.
As someone who has written narcissistic characters in my own sentient talking vehicle series. I completely understand where the Buried Truck was coming from with this argument. I've been around narcissistic people, including family, and I can 100% see why Dudley was designed the way he was. A narcissistic prick of a locomotive that doesn't ever deserve redemption.
In my own experience in writing stories about sentient talking vehicles, I for one find characters like Dudley to be A LOT OF FUN TO WRITE in their original irredeemable form. Especially when you get to write moments where the protagonists with main-character syndrome attempt to make the antagonist see sense then BOOM antagonist goes 10 times more villain-like than before, and in the end gets their comeuppance.
Being forced to redeem such characters, or seeing someone who probably doesn't see the full picture write a redemption story for them takes that fun away somewhat, and kind of feels a little bit cliche in the case of TTTE.
I get where the American 8F was coming from - to an extent with the concept of "What if Dudley could be redeemed?" However, I for one wouldn't chop a story in half and insert my ending in there. Now to be fair, the writing wasn't too bad, and the transition, filming and overall quality of the video are good. But and this is a huge BUT using the last story for a redemption arc wasn't the right choice.
What I would've done, if I absolutely had to, is leave the original arc alone and write a separate story in which Dudley returns and actively tries to redeem himself if say, a character such as Bear rescued Dudley from scrap. But even that is a stretch, and something significant would have to happen in order for a character like Dudley to change his ways.
Something I wish a lot more people would understand, from a writing perspective is that if a writer of a story like BuriedTruck wanted fans to go and write a redemption arc for a character cast as a villain, they'd make sure to put a small but significant detail in the story to "Leave the door open" for future possibilities.
In this case, I think it's safe to assume if BuriedTruck intended fans to bring Dudley back, he intended him to return not as a redeemable character but as a Villain. This is the same as what Wilbert Awdry intended with Diesel, to send him away un-redeemed never to be seen again.
Dudley is Sus (Susley), he even said Among Us in Lifting the Curtain
we have an imposter among us
Not funny. Didn’t laugh😐
Dudley reminds me of a casino player, in the sense that first mistake was to play the game, and once he bids every thing he, has nothing, by playing dirty and trying to cheat the system he got in a worser position than before....after all who wouldn't be manipulative and unforgivable at a casino..?
dudley reminds me of diesel.
think about both are irredeemable engines who lied manipulated and caused harm to others and they hate the opposite engine type to the point of wanting them gone.
Yeah, but diesel got a chance to come back to the island.
Yeah, the only difference is the Diesel come back in the TV series, where he does learned from some of his mistakes over the years, he was more a mid bully in the TV series while RWS series he was only appear once when Sir Topham Hatts learns about Diesel mischievous ways, I guess everyone likes Diesel in the TV series so he come back to be more mischief Diesel than devilish Diesel, if you think about it.
I kinda find Dudley to be a bit similar to Lotso Huggin Bear from “Toy Story 3” Where both characters lie for one thing.
I’m also planning to make an analysis on Dudley soon. He feels like the most real oc out there, if you know what I mean.
Dudley not getting a redemption is part of why the original version works so well and I do prefer it that way. However, we can't overlook the reality about what he and countless other engines had to deal with on the mainland. It's well-established by this point that more and more steam engines on the mainland were being scrapped as they were no longer needed (reflecting what was happening on British Railways in real life at the time) and the general attitude of diesels on the mainland towards steam engines has been well-established too. We know what engines such as Oliver had to endure to reach Sodor to survive, and all of that gets you thinking, surely Dudley can't be the only steam engine who thinks and acts this way? Who's to say that there weren't other engines who were just as desperate to survive by any means necessary?
4:29 yeah this is what made me realize Dudley is kinda similar to a friend I had for 3 years since 2021. When you said that Dudley was based on a manipulative and toxic person the buried truck had to deal with in his own life, I began thinking Dudley was like my own online friend. But I thought it was too harsh or something. But this tweet/line? It felt kinda personal to me. My friend always would act mean or rude to stuff he didn't like, and when we got into fights he would say hurtful things to me. And yet, he never really changed. Everytime we would fight or fallout, he apologies for what he said to me, but then the next time it happens he does the same thing again. I really do hope he can change his ways one day.
But honestly now that I'm thinking about it and looking back on those experiences, as well as reading Dudley's stories and basis for his character, I don't think he'll really change his ways. It's kinda sad, but the buried truck is right. Not everyone changes for the better. Some people are just like that, and we can't exactly change them so easily
Sorry for rambling, I just kinda felt personal when finding out more about Dudley, you know?
Great video, and sorry for rambling for so long
Yah all I can say is that he and Alfred would get along perfectly, one is a manipulative, narcissistic person who hates diesels (•coughs• racist) while another just wants to see the world burn.
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That aside, Dudley is the example of someone who’s pretends to be a good person but the moment they’re alone with someone they hate the mask comes off and their true colors show.
Really enforces that there’s no redemption for him since he’s made his choice clear
@@ScorchZaneTrains If I was there as an employee when Dudley got caught I would’ve yelled out as he was leaving “have fun with Alfred in hell you manipulative, narcissistic, RACIST ASSHOLE!!” 😎😎😈😈 (yah I can be mean)
My main take on this is if you're going to let your characters be free to adoption by others be prepared for some changes and if I'm being honest if you're going to base a character off of someone personally in your life you probably shouldn't let them be free to adapt especially when it seems like that character situation is different from the person in your life situation
honestly good take
Dudley wasn't just designed to be irredeemable, he was designed to die.
Because out of every large tender engine, why else would Buried have chosen the LNER O2?
Of which none were preserved?
@@sdmedia1323 damn two birds one stone.
But I don’t think the basis is really a big concern, given how a lot engine classes went extinct between the 50s and 60s, but I see what you mean.
I haven’t watched the video fully, but I do understand what you are saying here. You are right. Some people (or engines) are irredeemable, and Dudley is one of them. He outright damaged Henry just so he could stay on Sodor longer and told lies about Bear to make everyone turn on him! Not to mention, his tirade in the climax of Lifting The Curtain just shows he’s gone mad. When people have gone mad, they are beyond saving. Dudley shows zero remorse for his actions and thought survival was a good justification for them, which it’s not! I mean, what justifies damaging property and telling lies about someone?! Nothing! If someone wants him to be redeemable, he/she is gonna have to change his character up enough for it to be earned, which is disrespectful to The Buried Truck as he’s stated in those Twitter posts you showed!
I think it's rather fitting that he doesn't reform because to quote Henry from NWR Origins "While the majority of engines hopefully do change, there are some that just don't." And the fact that he doesn't redeem himself makes this feel more adult. If he did redeem himself, then it would feel like something for little kids.
@@timothythetankenginesfunen1075 Indeed
"Thought survival was a good justification". Well what was he supposed to do?
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 Whatever the case was, what he did was wrong.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 He could have just done what Oliver did: escape to Sodor and ask The Fat Controller to purchase him. The Fat Controller would have purchased him since he’s well aware of modernization at this point. Also, Dudley could have learnt to see not all diesels are bad and actually give diesels like Bear a fair chance to prove themselves good sorts
The only way to reform him is have a similar treatment to thomas1edward2henry3's diesel 10
Buried confirmed Dudley will never be reformed and I don’t think T1E2H3 will just disregard that
Dudley went his own way…It goes to show how low people will go to get what they want…Sometimes it’s too late and impossible to forgive them…
Like Dudley purposefully caused crashes on the railway!
All the engines just have crashes by accident…But Dudley damaged railway property and endangered people with his recklessness…We’re talking about a railway…It’s not a playground…It’s one thing if these were accidents…BUT these events were specifically planned (except the cannonball one..I think it’s called that?…But still Dudley was being an idiot)
Glad to hear your thoughts
8f made quite a powerful redemption of Spencer and that worked well! But his redemption of Dudley, you know the answer.
at least with Spencer, Spencer isn’t always that bad, all he did was be an ass. Dudley… well… he’s just a lost cause… that’s it
I mean, TBT DID ALSO say that we’re allowed to use Dudley for our own projects. (As long as we give credit, but that part is self explanatory at this point.) I don’t see it as character assassination, but more so a “What if” concept.
Ya know. The cover makes me want a creepypasta about what happened after Dudley got booted from sodor.
Dudley is one of the most interesting Thomas villains, I've ever seen. I liked the alternate ending on
him, but I prefer him as a bad engine.
In my TTTE Universe, after Dudley left Sodor in Lifting The Curtain, he broke down at Barrow-In-Furness. Arry and Bert (Who Work At The Barrow Scrapyard In My Universe), then took him to the scrapyard where he met his demise at the hands of the cutter’s torch. He now haunts the mainland as a ghost, looking for unsuspecting diesels to take to the afterlife.
To me there is no redemption for Dudley (no matter what Thomas headcannon it is), he’s a sad reminder that (like I said in a community tab) there are terrible people out there far beyond the point of redemption, and if you try, it’s almost next to impossible. Even in a world of talking trains and other machines, this is a something that could’ve happened in the railway series.
There I am Gary, there I am 7:10
Why do people redem him
The situation here with Dudley is similar to one I’ve had where during Middle and High School there was this kid I was hanging out with who acted like he was supposedly my friend and we’d talk a bit but later he started outwardly acting like a jerk where he wanted to use me for stuff like money (would get mad if it was unavailable) and doing his homework while outright insulting me. To me it seemed like I was an idiot he could easily screw with (I have autism so it was hard to tell if he was up to no good), even trying to make me agree with the things he liked or wanted to do and also giving attitude if I didn’t comply. He clearly was a bad “friend” who after a while just mostly wanted to use me only and have everything just about him which got worse during high school where I was then actively trying to avoid him after a while. Thankfully the pandemic had me away from him and we haven’t really dealt with each other much since but he’s still been trying to message me acting “pleasant” and not acknowledging he was a bad “friend”; I don’t think he gets the message that him being a user will eventually make someone want to drive away from him. I’ve been out of high school since 2022 and I do plan on officially ditching him as soon as possible via messaging him and even blocking him afterwards where I never want any contact with him again.
Well, I can relate. I had to deal someone who was just like that.
@@lachlantheGWRengine Oh really?
@@jaanshersaeed4541 Yeah. I wish We could have gotten along, but that wasn't to be.
@@lachlantheGWRengine Did you ever eventually ditch this person?
@@jaanshersaeed4541 He moved away and I never got the chance to make things right. Then again, it could never have worked.
I think of the story where the bad engines go.
I think of that story when you see people's character. Some people are just awful, and they succeed in life. Even though they are toxic people to be around, they succeed and never change cause they don't want or need to. The alternate ending is just dudly winning, which happens in real life, but do you really wanna do that and have it be a happy ending? I don't see it as a happy ending. I guess I am just a stickler for people getting their comeuppance in the end.
I mean no disrespect to The Buried Truck, but people wanting or trying to redeem Dudley was really inevitable for several reasons. First, there's a BIG difference between Dudley and a diesel like Diesel or Diesel 10. Dudley doesn't hate the other type of engine purely out of spite. He hates them because they actually wronged him by threatening his life. It's a lot more difficult to overcome a prejudice if it's the result of something traumatic or a wrongdoing, because you seemingly have "proof" that your belief is true. Next, those that are pro redemption know this doesn't justify his actions, but Dudley wasn't lying about it being survival. From his perspective, he was doing what he had to do to survive, like Douglas when he stowed away with Donald, or Oliver when he ran away to Sodor. As selfish as he was, it's really hard not to be selfish when you're fleeing from a place that's either a hellhole or treats you like dirt. Finally, diesels like Diesel, Bowler, and Spamcan, have been given redemption stories and arcs, even though they weren't meant to return and redeem either. So if they're "allowed to", why can't Dudley get one? Is he really any worse? Especially since they didn't have scrap looming over them when they came. So while I get the point about redemption not being for everyone, with these points, fans wanting to redeem Dudley should NOT be a surprise. Even Bear had sympathy for Dudley. I'm sorry, but with Dudley's motivation being to be preserved, and the threat of scrap, Dudley was doomed to be unintentionally sympathetic. We already have irredeemable steam engines in the form of Alfred and Crovan in "The Three Railway Engines". Also, Dudley becoming a "good guy", doesn't mean he becomes 100% good. He can still be gruff and standoffish, especially to diesels, but puts up with them because he knows where he'd be without the NWR.
I believe that an arc that could work best for Dudley could be a "descend into madness" arc, where his attitude worsens to the point of insanity.
honestly i agree
@@ScorchZaneTrains oh, ok
Look Gary there I am.
Wow, this video is great and very well-done. You did an excelent job explaining how the story works and why Dudley's villian arc does good without a redemption. ... And something I prolly shoulda went more in-depth about in my video, ahahah.
Cheers, I think you also did a good job with your Dudley video and look forward to see what else you have planned
I kinda prefer the other ending where Dudley can be redeemed and it has a potential of more stories about him. See Dudley is a gresley O2 so here is my idea and that is his relationship with his cousins : Ryan (I want to keep Ryan in my headcanon), Gordon and Spencer.
Well, this certainly has made me think. And while I do respect theburiedtruck, and what Dudley's character represents, me and a friend of mine have already had him redeemed. Although it's a bit different from how the American 8f did it. And while I like the idea of him redeeming himself, I do know that life doesn't always work like a cliche Disney film and there are bad people in this world who do bad things and have no regrets. So yeah. That's what I have to say here. I am gonna have Dudley redeemed, but not completely. After all, gotta respect the source material.
How did your friend do it?
@@pizzaplanettruck9761Well, I can't really go into too much detail in of people plagiarizing the idea, but I will tell you this. Lifting the Curtain, doesn't happen. And Dudley saves the passengers AND Bear in Cannonball.
I watched the "Dudley the Vagrant Engine" saga a little while ago, and it's currently one of the best adaptations in TTTE I've ever seen. What was shocking about it was just how realistic Dudley's character is. There are people who are incapable of feeling remorse for their actions, and knowing what such people can do is frightening. For me personally, the point when Dudley became beyond redeemable was the incident with the landslide. The fact he was willing to endanger the lives of his passengers just to spite Bear and boost his own ego and then lie about it shows that he really is a monster.
Unfortunately,im not gonna be able to watch the stream,but i'll see the video later when i come back.
We see Dudley’s fate in that one spooky fan episode…also I like the original arc and had no idea Dudley was based on a real person…I simply thought the alternate ending was a creative twist but the original ending flows a lot better and is true to life…something HIT and Mateo royally screwed up
Dudley doesn't have to be a horrid engine he can be nice some times and a horrid engine other times
yeah I don't think horrid was the correct word looking back
I do understand what Dudley is supposed to be, and I've watched the adaptations of his story, including the one made by The American 8F. But even with this, I still think that The American 8F gave Dudley a realistic scenario where he could get redeemed.
In my eyes, when analyzing a villain, I go by the phrase, "Nobody is born evil, they're either raised evil or made evil by circumstance". Dudley to me, fits a sort of villain that was made to be irredeemable, but given a bit of thought about what he's doing and for what reason, it discredits the idea that was meant for him.
In reality, when survival is all that matters to you, it's hard to feel remorse for your actions, and sometimes it's downright impossible. It can lead you to do things irrational to your narrative, like Dudley damaging Henry to stay longer on the Island. It's hinted that he did this to also prove himself to Sir Topham hat so that he couldn't get sent away. Even if these were selfish reasons for doing what he did, he still had reasons, and that tells me that, if he was given the proper chance and guidance, he could be redeemed. To me the only way to tell if someone is truly evil, is if he commits heinous acts with no reason at all.
If you think about it for a moment, the reason Dudley did all that he did was because of "Survival in an age of scrap", kind of gives a small sense of sympathy for him (though it is miniscule). In the time and place the story is written in, it's safe to infer that almost all steam locomotives have been scrapped on the mainland, heck, even in the first part of the story, Dudley states, "My days are numbered on the other railway", this can give us the idea that diesels have pretty much dominated British rails, and Dudley would do whatever it takes to survive, and it would make sense why Dudley hates diesels as they were the ones who replaced his family and friends. It's kind of hard to move past prejudice against others when said others are the cause of many of the deaths of loved ones, or others that one cares about.
I think that The American 8F thought about this, and decided to make an alternate reality, showcasing what could've happened in a scenario like the one Dudley was put in. It gives more depth to his character and gives him as sense of an actual character, rather than just a cardboard cutout. When it is explained by The Buried Truck that Dudley was inspired by a narcissistic and manipulative person in his life, basically gave me the impression that he was supposed to be nothing more than a cardboard cutout copy of that person, just as an engine. When it is said that his reason was for survival, it discredits that cardboard cutout copy he's is supposed to be, because as I said before, people will do anything when their narrative and reason is simply to survive, even if it is morally wrong.
In conclusion, I think that Dudley's character, while intentionally was supposed to be irredeemable, is somewhat the opposite. When someone is given a reason or motive to their actions, it shows that they were influenced by a certain circumstance they lived with for a long time, and conversely when they are given zero reason or motive to their actions, it shows they are far past saving, and deserve any punishment they receive. Dudley while supposed to be written to be too far past saving, was written in a way that showed he could change with time, patience, and a new perspective.
Hmmm, I guess that makes since?
I couldn't agree more. That's why I'm personally not a fan of Dudley. As Hector the Horrid showed, people have reasons behind their behavior, even if it doesn't justify it, and Dudley is no exception.
I hope you never know what its like to live in an abusive relationship, because that's basically what Dudley was meant to convey. There is real trauma as a direct result from whom Dudley is based on, and his pattern of behaviour is so transparently abusive it amazes me you think he would take back anything he has done up to this point. Tons of people have justified horrid atrocities under the guise of survival.
People like Dudley thrive on controlling the narrative and playing the victim. You think he wouldn't sooner try to get Gordon out of the picture should he have stuck around? Anything short of sending him away would have been seen as a tacit approval of his actions. It is important to understand where people are coming from yes, but its also important to set a precedent that abuse cannot be tolerated.
Diesel was supposed to be that kind of character in the original RWS books but as the show runners kept bringing him back, his story lost all the impact it once had and he's now just seen as that rascal who keeps causing trouble but always comes back regardless. Add in Dudley onto that redemption pile and his story becomes doubly meaningless because he's 10 times the threat that diesel was. A cancer to the very spirit of honesty and kindness that Sodor was meant to embody.
Dudley cannot be redeemed just the same as we cannot redeem those depicable people who inspire characters like him. That's because they will never accept responsibility for their actions, and giving them a pass when they've demonstrated they're still fully willing to do the same things that hurt others in the first place is both irresponsible and horrifyingly insensitive to those they've hurt.
@samoli11
I don't think Diesel was intended to be an abuser. He never mentally abused Duck, and his turning the engines against him, while not justified, were payback for a perceived wrongdoing. Had Duck stepped in when Diesel tried to move the trucks, he may have still been mad, but not driven to the point of revenge. Also, Duck wasn't much better, being bigheaded from City of Truro visiting, and deliberately not telling Diesel which trucks to take.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 yeah because all diesel did was spread lies, not to mention duck wasn't fully incident when he was in the yard with him.
Plus I don't Awdry was meant to go that deep, given he didn't have a lot when he started writing and even was making the books.
I think Dudley could have a redemption arc but faking the whole thing and have bear, mavis ,and boco all in diss repear by faking illness but once all are in the works his boiler bursted and tried working through but slowly fell apart.
I still want to know how Dudley would play a role if he arrived in early years of the NWR me and my Dudley fanboy friend I've been thinking about this too
If I did a alternate ending for Dudley, here’s what I would do:
Dudley did get preserved but he ended up being an attraction at a theme park similar to the Disneyland Railroad. All he can do is watch the trains pass by as he give crowds rides around the park and tries his hardest not to lose his sanity.
But I think Dudley deserved his punishment, don’t you?
damn karma is such an axe to the tree
Dudley does not need to be redeemed, and He should not BE Redeemed. It completely undermines what he did and honestly shows that some people just don't understand Dudley's character. I mean no disrespect to TheAmerican8F. I think the way he wrote it was pretty good. But Dudley is NOT a good person, he manipulated the other engines, lied multiple times, and treated Bear like crap. Just to "earn" his place in the NWR. And when he gets caught, he does not admit what he did was wrong and tried to manipulated STH into keeping him on. Dudley is not only the main character in his stories, he's the villan too, and we don't need another redemption arc after so many "bad" characters have already turned "good".
He should be because he would never be allowed in the RWS without one.
Dudley and redemption do not mix.
At all...
a cold but true fact
Diesel 10 Was Experiment By British Railways With His Claw Being Used To Rip Off Steam Engines's Faces In Thomas Headcanon
He was later sentenced to death for 60 counts of engine murders, 29 counts of arson, 43 counts of human murder, and 23 counts of hate crimes against steam engines.
In My Headcaon Dudley The Vagrant Engine Never Changes
with all do respect i respect everyone but my personal belief is that unless you commit murder or mass murder you can be redeemed.
In my AU, Dudley redeemed towards the end of my rewrite of “Lifting The Curtain”, and was sold to the same heritage where Alfred works.
As a person who is frequently belittled in school I think it’s a very valuable lesson that not everyone has regrets about bad descions and it’s important to realize that
@@Avery_Productions yeah that’s just life
i admit i didn't understand what Dudley is all about, until i saw this and now i understand he's narcissistic manipulative and despises diesels and sabotage and turns everyone against Bear just so he can survive and find a home, but he dug his own grave.
I think the whole sob story Dudley makes in that alternate ending can still work if it's made obvious that Dudley doesn't regret any of the things he's done. He try's to act like he never meant to make the other's turn on Bear, but once he realizes no one is falling for it, he shows his true colors.
what do you think of my head-canon for Dudley
Basis: He remains a GNR O2
Build Date: 1932
Personality: Still a Deceptive and Manipulative Saboteur
Livery: LNER Black (1932-1948), BR Black (1948-1968)
Number: LNER 3481 (1932-1946), LNER 3971 (1946-1948), BR 63971 (1948-1968)
Scrapped: 1968
He now roams the rails on his way to The Fat Controller's Railway as a Ghost
Honestly quite nice
@@ScorchZaneTrainssince Dudley is a villain
Would you say he’s broken or pure evil or both?
For me he’s both
@@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024 Pure evil in my opinion.
@@timothythetankenginesfunen1075 how did you find me
@@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024 I didn’t find you. I can just reply eaisly. So do you think you might do an adaptation of Dudley’s stories?
Nice job mate cheers.
0:43 cronos films tv also says that line
Dudley isn't a sympathetic character at all. He has no remorse and no hesitation. He's one of those characters who's hearts got hardened by past traumas. And that's the genius of his character.
indeed
Personally, I do think Dudley can be redeemed (i'm not on Twitter, Facebook etc so I have no idea about the personal issues around him). My Headcanon for him is he would be found years later on "scraps door" on a siding hidden behind trucks on BR at a station and yard brought by the next Topham Hatt or after who has no idea who Dudley is, Dudley is still repairable and is given a second chance and new lease on life and chooses to use it to redeem himself (having realized all his lying, cheating and manipulations got him nowhere) but the Engines of Sodor find this extremely hard but they eventually do forgive him.
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Nostalgica critcic thinks that osmosis jones and inside out are the same
I have the best Dudley adaptations
Look don’t get me wrong your adaptations are great, tho I just choose what I did mostly for preference, don’t get the wrong idea yours are good
@ScorchZane No I was just kidding 😂But I do think that even if the American 8f doesn't get the character that TheBuriedTruck wanted for Dudley, he definitely should be allowed to give his own take on Dudley.
@@trackmastertomy true
What is your thoughts on nostalgia critic
I find him funny these days ngl
@@ScorchZaneTrains not a fan of him since some of his content can have false información
ngl The one adaptation I saw was of him being sent to the scrapyard
Then by this logic Anakin Skywalker would be considered an irredeemable character alongside obito and madara.
@@spectra2864 unlike Dudley Anakin had remorse, Dudley did not there’s a strong difference.
Oh right
That was one of the biggest things about Vader, he had remorse but was too consumed by the dark side until Luke arrived
I know how to have him redeemed
To just not have him as a saboteur
Like mine “lieutenant Dudley Adams” named after a dauntless pilot is preserved at the vicarstown rail museum and he was simply just a normal O2 built, ran, withdrawn then preserved
I mean yeah whether he lived or didn’t is up to out imaginations since Buried never implied Dudley’s fate (well some say he may be that ghost Diesel encounters).
@@ScorchZaneTrainsactually,buried confirmed that the ghost in demons was dudley,so we can assume he went to the ironworks to be cut up.
@@Jintyandpugstudios356maybe or he was already cut up and his remains were shipped to those works
However people like the American 8F can have Dudley redeemed since it’s their AU
@@aplane9625 I agree its their choice
I view it as a “What if?”, I don’t believe that The American 8F was saying “Hey, this scumbag who hurt you in real life deserves a second chance.”, I believe it’s saying “Hey, what if this fictional character wasn’t completely evil and could be redeemed?”.
I didn't know Dudley was inspired by a irl person TheBuriedTruck knew (did he ever mention If Dudley is the person's real name?)
I get what TheBuriedTruck is saying, but if I were him, I'd just try not to pay it too much attention.
3:59 did he had meet that mainpulatied person when he was a child
probably best if you ask Buried that
I find it funny he's on the villains wiki lol
why are people mad about a redemption arc? I kinda like them honestly
Same here. Redemption arcs are awesome. :)
Sadly they aren’t for everyone
@@ScorchZaneTrains Ah well. To each of their own. :)
Probably because dudley literally cannot be redeemed
Ever
@@johnathonmcjohn3 Again, to each of their own. :P
I had a thought!
What if there was an alternate ending to 8f's alternate ending? Basically, he apologizes, but doesn't mean it? He uses his situation (and maybe twists it or lies a bit about it) in order to garner sympathy just so he can stay longer and find even more devious ways to cause more problems?
@@imoldsquarewheels695 not a bad idea
dudley the vagrant engine Well, you know what happened to him? Well purpose he was sent to scrap yard. It was too late for him, Donald said What happened easy? He was taking to the smoking shot door shot and there was a clunk and a clench. The grab a grabbed the dudley the vagrant engine And there was a and when the door phone opened , he was scrappedAnd there was a and when the door The door is Slowly opened and he was scrap And you saw the whole thing Henry and Gordon and James
What about Cozy Glow? She's manipulated and tries to be nice, but then her secrets were revealed.
Can she be redeemable?
I don’t know who that is, depends who is she?
She's a villain character introduced late into the series she's in. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. She tries to make others believe that she's innocent. But making others felt bad while getting away scot-free.
She tries to gain power by turning everyone against the new students, but that fails and she's imprisoned in Tartarus. (One of the show's locations) Then later, tries to gain power (litteraly) and praticipated in an all-out attack against the main characters, but fails again 'cause the aforementioned students convinced everyone of each of their kind to work together and friendship.
Thus causing the main characters to survive and make Cozy and the two other villains she helped, 'taste the rainbow'.
The three villains were then imprisoned in stone. Yay!
Oh I see, well it depends on how a character was made, since Dudley made from a personal vendetta Buried went through, he expressed his thoughts when Dudley was sent away with no redemption. So really that depends, it’s just some characters just don’t have remorse or redemption and that’s fine for Dudley, since it would not work out well if he did get redemption (otherwise you might as well talk this with Buried).
Sorry, don't have Twitter (Still not happy how it's been renamed to 'X')
Fellow MLP fan right here: Honestly, I really wish Cozy Glow could be reformed and not be treated the way Hasbro treated her in the final two seasons of FIM. :/
Well Like The Burid Truck Said Dudley Is Like A Person In Real Life Who Did All The Things That Dudley Did On Sodor Well He's Not The Only One I Also Have That Kind Of Person Too But I Don't Have To Say Anymore I Don't Want To Remember It Again
not to mention he’s speaks about Dudley like he’s a real personal really shows how deep his inspiration for Dudley is.
Is everyone is not gonna asked why is henrys front coupling is moving by its self?
No because that's a trainz issue, so i doubt 8F had any control over that
Anyone waiting for Halloween? 🎃👻 ☠️ This Halloween could be a major ark or breakthrough of Dudley’s story. What would Dudley as he’s a haunted demonic scrap engine? He could be more evil, bloody, and more murderous than Timothy?
Maybe, tho he’d probably just scare diesels since him killing them may be a bit much and too edgy
@@ScorchZaneTrains Do you think that Dudley wants to get revenge on Donald, Bear, and the Fat Controller after they had done to him since lifting the curtain?
idk, never thought about that, tho he probably can’t cause by now he’s probably dead
@@ScorchZaneTrains Well, in Carson Video Workshop’s video “Demons”. Diesel encounters a huge scrap tender engine that he tries to scare Ary and Bert. But when his backfired, he was forced to put the scrap engine back where he found it. When he got to the scrap engine to tow back, he heard some illusional voice that said “Sleep, You Disturbed, My Sleep”. He thought Ary and Bert are playing a trick on him. But they weren’t there. He was all alone with the scrap engine. So Diesel towed the Scrap Engine back out of the scrap shed. As he did that, he heard the same Illusional voice again that said “Sleep….”. Then he saw some fireflies on the scrap engine that illuminated the scrap engines. Diesel gazed at them and realized they’re not fireflies. They are eyes gazing out of the engines past. All of the sudden, all hell broke loose as a face appeared on the scrap engine as they’re never been on before. This scares Diesel so badly as race back as fast as he could as he and the other scrap engines disappeared. At the end, he thought everything just happen was an illusion. Or was it….
@@ScorchZaneTrains The appearance of this scrap engine’s face and shape in the “Demons” episode is similar to Dudley that fans thought he’s the scrap engine that scared diesel. Even the buried truck kinda confirm it too. This engine appeared in Carson Video Workshop videos “Demons” and at the end story of “Lifting the Certain” . I thought that the story of Dudley the Vagrant Engine hasn’t ended yet as we don’t know what happened to him. But after watching these two videos by Carson’s Video Workshop, I think this Halloween will have a great horror story and will have the final conclusion on what happens next to Dudley and what’s going to do.
What Is your Thoughts on tugs and thomas crossovers
That can work, since Tugs is basically Thomas but with boats and has more serious themes to it
@@ScorchZaneTrains Thought tugs and thomas aré not set in the same universe
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I never said they were
Fun fact: 87546 (in BTWF Version 2 ,not BTWF exploring Sodor) is the same class as Dudley
Yeah tho that’s BTWF’s interpretation though since both would’ve been in the game if it wasn’t cancelled, it would be interesting to see next to each other
@@ScorchZaneTrains not really , because from what I remember in the btwf leaks before the game got cancelled ,87546 had a completely different model ,it was based out of one from trainz ,I'm not sure what class it is ,but it never got added ,likely because it didn't get a script added
However there is a btwf copy game that made the exact same 87546 model from the ground up ,the game is called "tracks to great destinations"
@@1fstudiosthesecond392 hmmm I don’t think that model was the one in great destinations since if I recall correctly 87546 in BTWF before it cancellation and reboot was meant to be a tank engine
I'm thinking on making a gordon story based on the early seasons of thomas, but i don't know if it's a good idea, what's ur opinion scorch?
Would make for some nice stories
@@ScorchZaneTrains ok, so here Is what my story Is about:
-narrator introduces peel godred.
-gordon arrives with the express, and he goes into his siding, he hits the buffers hard due to him being tired, and James teases him about It.
-the next day Gordon gets tasked with pulling a train to peel godred in the Mountains, due to being to many tourist, but James teases gordon, telling him, it's because he can't concentrate.
-gordon complains because the way to the Mountains Is a One way set of tracks
-the driver tells him the reason why.
Gordon slowly grows to like and finally enjoy his way up the Mountains.
-meanwhile James gets too vain and cocky with the express and accidently gets sent into a siding Just as Gordon thunders by.
-that night, Gordon teases James that he should pull the Mountain train because It helps with concentration.
-the end
(Main inspiration: that One clearwater BTS Imagine of Gordon)
What do you think..?
@@TaG.189 I mean interesting plot tho could use some excitement when put on video
@@ScorchZaneTrains yeah, i am still writing some bits in It, i'm thinking about adding some facial reactions such as the buffers bashing, Gordon puffing on the Mountain, and Gordon thundering by James, but i think i might add some more.
@@TaG.189 I mean up to you otherwise good work and good luck
6:42 a season 12 promo
Would Thomas with cartoon crossovers work if Thomas lives in characterville in an Roger rabbit au
No
@@ScorchZaneTrains what about in a charaville universe that Is dosent set in the same universe as the original ttte
Dudley sounds as bad as diesel 10 also he's a gresley o2 which is built for freight work and he has a tractive effort of 163 kn
to be honest, I like to think D10 is even worst.
I understand that Dudley may have a few fans here and there. But I could not agree more: Dudley is definitely irredeemable; the term malignant narcissist describes him perfectly. The way he divided Bear against the other engines is beyond forgivable. And if The Buried Truck did indeed base Dudley on a friend who was just like Dudley, I feel badly for him. There are snakes that lurk in the grass waiting to prey on good souls like Bear. And if The Buried Truck ever decided to bring Dudley back for another story, I wouldn't want to see it based on his redemption, but rather on his defeat.
tbh he doesn't have be redeemed, but I feel like, we can understand we he comes from.
I love redemption arcs (dimitri and sasha, my beloved) but dudley shouldn't have 1.
He's a huge asshole, very narsacistic and didn't show any remorse, he's similar to william afton in that regard.
At least diesel 10 is funny.
Who do you think would make a great voice actor for Dudley if he appeared in the TV show?
@@adammiranda357 hmmm idk good question
@@ScorchZaneTrains what if Charlie Sheen voiced Dudley? Imagine how he would sound like.
Why do people want to redeem Dudley so bad? If they want to do stuff with him, then write a story where Flying Scotsman calls him out for how he treated Bear, but Dudley still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions.
Because as awful as his actions were, he was right when he said it was survival. And Bear himself felt sympathy for Dudley. Personally, I think Dudley should've redeemed to make him different from Alfred, Crovan, and the first red engine.
@@pizzaplanettruck9761 well the first engine we don't know if he or she was iredeemable or not, but we know 98462 and 87546 were rude as were likely as bad as each other.
I feel like everyone is overreacting at the alternate ending. So you are gonna try telling me. Everything is fine and dandy when diesel stayed yet when someone makes an alternate ending, WHICH IS NOT CANON MIND YOU. Everyone starts getting fussy. None can change my stance that when it comes to characters, this fandom kinda sucks
Tbh I’m glad you brought this up especially with Diesel which is why I personally don’t see him returning to Sodor.
Diesel at least had the balls to not put anyone in danger whether he hates steam engines or not.
@@rmgilyardHow do you know he wouldn't?
All though i personally do not hate the idea of Dudley being redeemed, i don't like it either.
My reason is the life isn't a disney movie reason, and you'd have to tone down his actions in order to justify what he did, as Buried said, i like how 8F didn't just make him a good guy out of the blue,
but you know, the harm was still done.
Now that i know Dudley was based off of a real guy Buried knew, i honestly dislike the redemption idea even more, kinda feels disrespectful towards Buried,
but if someone makes him a good guy, i honeslty don't care because there are much more important matters in life than talking choo choo trains.
aré there any cartoons that aré set in a real life setting and not fantasy cartoons
Idk
@@ScorchZaneTrains i think el chavo the animated series at for esrly seasons
What is your Thoughts on Thomas crossovers
They just don’t work
@@ScorchZaneTrains how
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 how the hell are a bunch of talking trains gonna do with crossing over with say superheroes? Not to mention Thomas and the books he’s based off have a very different type of logic compared to any franchise who has intense action or weird circumstances
@@ScorchZaneTrains does one with btb works postman pat and Any other british shows work with thomas
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 tbh any British shows can work in Thomas, since they were based on what’s in real life
While i dont believe dudley does diserve to be redeemed, i dont hate the american 8f's alternate ending, i think of it as a what if concept, which is why i enjoy his content. I have to admit i have been friends with a person similar to dudley, he was mean, manipulative, deceptive and a huge bully to not just me, but most of the people that called him a friend, and when he said he would change, he would revert back to his old ways a while after (usually a month or a couple weeks later.) So i see where both TBT and the american 8F come from, and the perspective of dudley possibly being redeemed, but he wasnt because he chose to do those actions makes me think of that person, while yes, he could have changed, he never stuck to the new him. Not everything is sunshine and roses im aware, and i still hate him for being like that, but instead of wantint him dead, i just hope he realises his mistakes one day, and can never be happy because he remembered the legacy he left behind, as otherwise thinking he should be dead or being put through similar pain wouldnt make you any better than him, and you would just be just as cruel as they were to you, (also dont worry, hes gone from my life now. I havent seen him in over a month and i hope he never comes back.) In the end, i believe that while dudley should not have been redeemed, its ok to make what if scenarios to see what would have happened if he did, but it should be kept in mind that its not really what hes all about.
Tf this a gresley O2 named Dudley THIS IS AMERICA NOT BRI'AIN
:insert shooting intensifies:
Do you have the not smart?
I think he just wants people to stay off his character, but what’s wrong with a little redemption arc?
If you watched the whole video you’ll understand why
Otherwise I guess I can tell, not everyone is meant to be redeemed, sure Thomas may be about friendship doesn’t mean it can’t deteriorate, sure it may be about talking trains doesn’t mean they can’t be scrapped, sure some engines can be redeemed but Dudley isn’t one of them. Keep in mind when Buried talked about Dudley it was like he was talking about that one friend Dudley was based was him.
Listen I think that he has a good reason I wouldn’t want to die to better people
Yippee,New Video
To be fair if somebody has written it during the Hit Era or CGI series they would definitely have just keep Dudley just for merchandise purposes.
yeah no doubt
So basically Dudley is Thomas version to Big Jack Horner from Puss In Boots 2: The Last Wish as they’re both irredeemable monsters
and an inverted but more I guess sinister variant of diesel